arms

[trim arrow]

i’d hate playing aug

[nova marsh]

Play mage or smth

[trim arrow]

if one of your pug dps sucks

[nova marsh]

Just not aug

[trim arrow]

nothing you can do

to make run faster

no matter how good at aug you are

[nova marsh]

Tbh I think Aug should just be redisgned to be the lowest dps but still higher then a tank

And nerf their buffs

So they can at least compete

[trim arrow]

i think aug’s issue is also just

[nova marsh]

And not feel like shit cuz they rolled the dice wrong

[trim arrow]

being the only dps really that buffs tanks and healers

[nova marsh]

The other issue is it's not obvious what a bad Aug is compared to a good one

So it's pretty hard outside of feelsycraft to tell inside a run, espically since live logging died

[safe comet]

3.9mil cleave crit on a dummy, I love arms

[trim arrow]

any run with aug just feels slower

[strange perch]

Uptime

Utility usage

Very quick give aways

[cyan silo]

Anyone know if theres a WA for Sikrans trinket?

Keep track on current weapon/ whats next?

[nova marsh]

Canj you immediately look up uptime in a dungeon? Is it yet ANOTHER UI element I need?

[trim skiff]

Am I the only one who feels like M+ damage is way too high / overtuned? A +7 shouldn’t really be much of a headache, yet all I see is oneshots left and right, unreasonable tank damage taken and so on. It feels insane. For me, its one of the worst ever start to a m+ season.

Encountering so many bugs aswell..

[nova marsh]

I'm not feeling that all?

Then again I haven't been able to push beyond a 5 because of a shit pug luck and being a crap player

Also keep in mind, it's more of a +17, but even then yeah one shots shouldn't exist.

Granted I've also been incrediably aggressive with defensives too

[gusty nymph]

f=solo players = delves. m+ are for people with friends

[teal fossil]

It’s a bit high yeah

But blizz repeatedly buffed mob damage

[nova marsh]

gear is also a factor too

But that's obvious.

[ionic latch]

Outside of Surgical Heartstopper, are there any other M+ weps that are decent?

[nova marsh]

really all of them are okay but honestly sim best

[trim skiff]

Compared to how it feels in a raid environment, I hate how spiky m+ is. Its just spike damage left and right

[teal fossil]

Yeah that’s how m+ is designed

There’s no rot in m+ so healers are occupied by damage spikes

[trim skiff]

Yeah, but idk, its not really fun, df s3/s4 felt a lot more balanced

Atleast up to 10/20 depending on how you look at it, it didn’t feel this spiky

[teal fossil]

Well objectively speaking healers were overpowered in df

So blizzard nerfed them a lot over df and into tww

[trim skiff]

I am also a healer player and healing spikes just feel awful, terrible designing honestly, siege of boralus last boss random dispel feels insane

[teal fossil]

Yeah not saying it’s tuned correctly

[trim skiff]

I mean, initial damage hitting 60% of someones hp and then instantly ticking another 25% with slam coming in is just a shitfest

[teal fossil]

For sure

[untold trench]

I feel balance is in a good spot, I am 605 and can both tank and DPS with no issues from that side. My deaths are mechanical or mistake driven

[teal fossil]

Necrotic wake third boss ticking for 1 million in a +6

Because you didn’t one shot the abom

[trim skiff]

Dawnbreaker second boss feels terrible tank wise

I couldn’t figure the damage pattern out. Sometimes the tankbuster dealt 85% of my hp, sometimes not even 5%

[untold trench]

That is the one in the city, it is boring, what about it?

[trim skiff]

And I always had shield block up, and used atleast demo shout, but the damage felt insane

Otherwise its not much of a hassle

[dense vector]

Is wrecking throw worth taking for court?

[untold trench]

Nop

[trim skiff]

But some damage just feels incorrect

[untold trench]

Only one I noticed was as the mentioned NW 3rd boss abos

It is soulcrushing

[tender glen]

arms is fun

didnt run the right spec on queen tho

feelsbad

[untold trench]

Nice 👍

Healing logs ?

[nova marsh]

Norm right?

[reef glade]

Less on queen than sikran

Unless is normal and adds last for .2 seconds

[dire hinge]

show hps

[shadow ibex]

is dreadnaught bait doing consistent 2.2% overall 😦

[minor gust]

DN feels like shit yeah

[shadow ibex]

im dropping it

fuck it slamming colossus in an 8 siege

actual rage in exe

[livid cloak]

Ran that cooked jugg colossus build on a 5. It was fun, boss dam sucked

Trash was very good

[dire hinge]

Strength of Arms doesn't give rage back in execute any more

part of why DN is taken

[shadow ibex]

yea but OP fucks

make it fuck more ig

but the actual rage comes from having CT i meant

otherwise colossus starves

[minor gust]

never forget never forgive

[dreamy sleet]

Thinking of playing arms cause just wanna hit buttons and fight stuff… how are we in dungeons.. never really played

[dire hinge]

it's chill

lots of Cleave

[shadow ibex]

WB and demolish feels right

fastest way to release

[dreamy sleet]

Yeah just did one cleave and bladestorm, did work tho 🤷‍♂️

[dreamy sleet]

I was just playing with slayer which seemed fun guess I’ll try collosus tomorrow for more defensive perks 🤷‍♂️

[shadow ibex]

im just having fun with colossus in like 7-8s

played enough slayer in raid

gotta mix it up

and by having fun i mean i wish i could kick during demo

[dreamy sleet]

lol I’m just doing heroics to get used to the flow of the spec… was crushing tho.. it has a neat playstyle

[manic stirrup]

these talents are beans

[manic stirrup]

bc jugg sucks in m+

[manic stirrup]

better st than dn and dn does piss damage

i think its worth

[dense vector]

Is op just the new MS

Make unhinged OP instead of MS

[dire hinge]

OP was our #1 damaging ability in keys throughout dragonflight, it is a shadow of what it used to be

(combining OP + DN damage, since it's one ability)

it cliffed everything else

it got gutted for its sins

[dense vector]

Atleast they gave it some agency in execute

[low mirage]

What's DN?

[sage bison]

deez nuts

[low mirage]

Gottem.

Thank you

[sage bison]

[low mirage]

Saw the oppurtunity had to set it up.

[dire hinge]

Dreadnutz

[sage bison]

its actually dreadnaught l0l

[low mirage]

LOL ik

[sage bison]

ohhhhh

sorry i just bladestorm here

[nova marsh]

So like

Aside from grim batol being grim Batol, why does evreyone hate it

[gloomy mirage]

hi in execute phase when we replace slam for execute, do we just disregard marked for exe stacks? (single target slayer)

[minor gust]

because your executing now you dont really need to think about marks yeah

[gloomy mirage]

yea i know the rotation i was just asking about the stacks

[minor gust]

your frequently executing so not much to think about

[steel sand]

i cannot believe, this happen to me AGAIN dude

[minor gust]

welcome to arms we love texture

[desert dove]

I know slayer is better but how far behind is collosus?

[arctic hearth]

Any colossus enjoyers here? Are you just suing 1 of the two talent builds on wowhead or changing anything+

[nimble gulch]

Some Quick Maffs on the Upcoming Tuning
Overall inconsequential buffs and fairly minor nerfs, so the paradigms remain largely unchanged.

• Arms Slayer single target went down ~0.6%.

• Fury Slayer went down ~0.6% in the ST build and ~1.5% in the MT build.

• Arms Slayer multitarget went down ~0.8%.

• Fury Slayer multitarget went down ~2.2%.

• Fury Slayer dungeon/mythic+ went down ~3%.

• Arms Colossus single target went up ~1.5% - still ~8% behind Slayer.

• Fury Thane single target went up ~2.9% - still ~15% behind Slayer.

Note that raw multitarget doesn't translate into raid effectiveness, but since the cooldown timing wasn't changed, Fury is still going to be very good at sniping adds, just not quite so much of a one-person army anymore.

archimtiros posted this few days ago

[dense vector]

The Marcelian dude always dogs on arms but I still think arms is fun he’s a fucking hater

[desert dove]

im enjoying it so far just trying to figure out rotations bc I started as fury is the only sticking point im having, should mortal strike be most of my dmg?

[dire hinge]

in single target it'll be mostly Mortal Strike and Execute yeah

[thorn pelican]

🤷

5m patchwerk dps breakdown looks like this

[magic canopy]

do you even cast MS in execute phase wtf

[minor gust]

barely

[latent moss]

to refresh rend and dw if u dont have 4p

if u have 4p then with 2x EP and 2x 4P

[dire hinge]

end-gear sims should have MS a bit higher (about equal to Bladestorm)

[modern verge]

Why is warbreaker not recommended in keys?

[dire hinge]

• small AoE gain for large SingleTarget Loss
• The alternative, "Blunt Instruments", now works with your "In for the Kill" talent so it's a 30% bonus duration to your haste window when you cast Colossus Smash

[modern verge]

ty

[desert dove]

Generally speaking I havent played warrior v much is it use colossal smash when its off cd, MS on cd, anything that gets procced as it comes up, cleave in packs after over power, slam to fill in and when in groups sweeping strikes on cd?

and bladestorm in big groups or bosses?

[dense vector]

OP procs over MS I think

BS on cd basically unless you know you’ll get better use withing maybe 15 sec

[desert dove]

ok that was alot close than I thought I'd be nice

[rotund wharf]

Guys I don't understand : do we need to ALWAYS have 2 stacks of Overpower before MS or we just cast MS on CD ?

Cuz Wow Analyzer tell me to have 2 stacks of OP and to cast MS as soon as possible so I'm a bit confuse

[thorn pelican]

4pc difference this makes sense

[dire hinge]

Yee

[thorn pelican]

just simmed my shit if i had 4pc and it looks very similar damage profile

[dire hinge]

Though honestly look at top logs* for that single target dash boss on mythic folks are just sending MS more and still top performing

[errant plaza]

Guys how do you config your topgeard on Raidbot ? Patchwork or Donjon Slice IS viable ? Can't find info

[rotund wharf]

yeah i'm looking at chrono logs on top war and it seems to me that they just cast MS on CD

seems fair to me, if you lose each time a gCD for an overpower stack, at the end you loose some MS in the count

[rotund wharf]

personnaly I use only patchwork and up to 5 target for multi sim

[worldly kernel]

wassup WARRIORS

[grave mulch]

all the fury warriors jumping ship after they got nerfed twice

[edgy solstice]

im torn on colo or slayer for keys

[manic stirrup]

don’t need 2 stacks

[manic stirrup]

i like colossus

[edgy solstice]

colo feels good when tank pulls big but i hate not pumping on bosses

[safe comet]

I had a 6.1mil Demolish on a boss in M+ earlier, but I went back to Slayer, just feels more smooth I guess, idk

Demo can get you killed too because it locks you in place, good to have a macro to cancel

[manic stirrup]

drop bonegridner for massacre and switch dreadnaught for strength of arms

easy way to gain some boss damage for a small aoe loss

[edgy solstice]

ya i tried

[manic stirrup]

st still isn’t great though

[minor gust]

talenting into massacre on colossus so you can suffer colossus exe phase sooner

[edgy solstice]

yeah slayer swims in rage and bladestorm pumps st still

[dense vector]

What’s everyone’s end of dungeon overalls lookin like? Think mine is about 1 mill but I’ve barely done many so far

[edgy solstice]

my highest is 1.84

usually sitting like 1.2-1.4

[dense vector]

Was your tank pulling like a psycho

Do you pug or have a set group

[edgy solstice]

on the higher ones for sure

i pug all my keys

i just did a couple with a madman vdh

[dense vector]

Hell ya

[edgy solstice]

tank makes all the diff tho

you can go from 1m to 1.5 without playing any diff

[safe comet]

True. Failed a +4 Mists and Boralus due to poop tank, got a good vengeance DH afterwards and we were zoomin through 5-6s

[edgy solstice]

idk shit about tanks tbh

vdh seems invincible tho

[safe comet]

Yeah, big heals too

[dense vector]

Yea I depleted a 5 batol because the tank was clueless

[balmy kindle]

Tank can fail upwards

[hearty pollen]

is there a haste cap i should be aiming for?

[boreal quartz]

No

Sim

[hearty pollen]

cool beans

[fossil thistle]

100%

[leaden vine]

does anyone know how i can make a WA thats tracking a spell cooldown to show the spell but greyed out when its not learned (like default actionbar behavior)
i have a dynamic group but i dont want it to get smaller when i have certain spells unlearned and just gray them out instead
for example here on the left u can see its hiding all the spells i dont have learned
(im trying to get rid of bartender cus it has aids cpu usage for no reason)

[boreal quartz]

ignore spell known or perma active trigger

both works

[leaden vine]

oh it was that easy, thanks so much

didnt realize there was a setting for that under more options in trigger

[dense vector]

uhhhh my spell queue is set to 400 is that bad

i heard you should do your ping plus 100

[boreal quartz]

no

the 100+ping shit is pvp

[dense vector]

oooooo

[leaden vine]

i have mine on 0 tbh

idk if thats bad

lmao

[boreal quartz]

thats awful

[dense vector]

just dont mess up

[boreal quartz]

like that costs you a TON of gcds per fight

[dense vector]

even if you mash?

[boreal quartz]

you will always be using your spell after the gcd

[leaden vine]

wait actually i removed AIO so idk if its even set anymore it might be blizzlike

[boreal quartz]

itll cost you a idk 0.1/2/3 secs

every now and then

and just 3 whiffs is a full GCD

[dense vector]

so 400 is fine?

[boreal quartz]

you cant see it on melee as much but on ranged you create a TON of gaps

400 is good yea

[dense vector]

ok cool

[leaden vine]

u cant see it in default settings, huh

guess im reinstalling aio

[boreal quartz]

nono

use the cvar

[leaden vine]

hm

i only play melee so what should it be realistically

[dense vector]

/dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow")

to see what it is

[leaden vine]

🤔

[dense vector]

f

[astral talon]

Does cleave and tclap with rend add stacks to sweeping strikes buff for cleave?

[fossil rampart]

cleave isn't a single target ability neither is tclap

if you use rend on it's own then it'll give you collateral damage stacks

only single target abilities that hit an additional enemy while ss is up will give you collateral damage stacks

mortal strike, overpower, rend, skullsplitter etc

[dense vector]

Do unhinged ms count even tho they dont sweep

[fossil rampart]

how will they count if they don't sweep

[boreal quartz]

set it to 200

and just hit dummy

should be an improvement

[boreal quartz]

cleave does

tc doesnt

[boreal quartz]

xd

read fervor

and then cleave

[astral talon]

Good to have an answer thats factual

[fossil rampart]

yeah? that's different

cleave itself does not proc cd stacks

[dense vector]

the description says single target spells cast during so i think if you stormbolt too during bs it could count as it

[fossil rampart]

with fervor, sure, that wasn't the question

[boreal quartz]

hes playing aoe

ofc he has it

[fossil rampart]

that still wasn't the question

[boreal quartz]

nitpicking cuz u were wrong

[astral talon]

If you ask about st and ms usage, do you take ep into consideration?

Or do you go "akshually he didn't specify he plays ep"

[bronze wharf]

and still your answer would be worse for him. hey! cleave dont proc collateral dmg (not mention that you play talent which makes cleave does proc it like 99% time when you do aoe)

[astral talon]

Anyway, got my answer

[fossil rampart]

next time, don't act like children and actually ask what you want the answer to

[boreal quartz]

incredible

[bronze wharf]

i guess in your mind overpower has only 1 charge since you need to take a talent to make it 2 lol

[paper gulch]

Only if cleave hits two or more thanks to fervor. The slam from that cleaves

[boreal quartz]

bbbut he didnt ask that

[sleek remnant]

Did you guys craft a weapon?

[untold pewter]

Damn right

Playing both Arms and Fury so Weapon is the way

The #dps-faq has guidelines for this if you need advice

[zenith warren]

Obviously fury is better in keys rn, but what dungeons would you guys say are best for arms?

[astral talon]

none

arms more fun

big cleave makes dopamine go brrrrrrrr

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/l6WQq21xEVo

[sleek remnant]

can I PM you some questions?

[untold pewter]

Honestly ask here, you'll have better odds at getting the best answers

[sleek remnant]

I'm a bit lost with the crafting system, so I can craft a 619 this week and then later upgrade it to 636? and it's best to go no embellishment on weapon right?

[plucky fern]

first statement correct, but if you decide to craft weapon you must use embelishment

[sleek remnant]

and you pickup the incombat versa embellishment I guess?

[plucky fern]

ascendance symbol

[sleek remnant]

Alright, this should be enough for me to research everything, thanks

[ebon garden]

hello guys, did we get a weak aura for the trinket transmittor ?

something saying, jump, grab, or stay ?

[sacred zodiac]

idk man

wago.io

holy moly

[zenith warren]

https://wago.io/DfJAg1DxQ this one is nice

[dreamy sleet]

Should I be letting marked for execution stack or just full send

I know one thing I gotta get better at is paying attention for those procs but just got into it so getting muscle memory

[sacred zodiac]

in st at least you can kinda just naturally resolve them unless you hit 3x where you wanna just press execute to not waste slayer strike procs

outlined in both guides tho maybe check those again

[shadow ibex]

I was using a version of #arms message no dread cuz like 2.2% overall

WB avatar and demolish do be activating the monke brain tho

[dreamy sleet]

Excuse the noob question but trying to figure out procs, does marked for exe show as the execute avatar or a diff one

[ebon hollow]

do you guys play warbreaker in keys?

i looked for a talent tree for keys and it didnt use warbreaker that confused me

it was like this

[zenith warren]

per archi's guide: Warbreaker is a deceptively weak choice, due Bladestorm's additional cooldown reduction misaligning the two, while Blunt Instruments allows more frequent use of Cleave - Arms is more of a sustained damage dealer than a burst one now.

[ebon hollow]

i see thank you

[weak wave]

So what's your M+ builds? Pure Multitarget or some hybrid build?

[modest bone]

i don't understand how it make warbreaker weaker

you hit everyone with warbreaker then you avataar+Bs, how ccan it be weaker than the other one ?

[opal kelp]

Any of you guys tested arma collusions on m+?

[ashen rampart]

Hey guys after the buff to colossus is it much weaker than slayer in m+?

[opal kelp]

I felt that slayer is not bad … I tried lots of fury, great burst, but on higher keys I feel like gets a little behind

[arctic axle]

dunno about u guys i am having a blast in m+ with colossus and heavy crit gear

[opal kelp]

I was focusing fury, so I have lots of mastery, maybe that is

What’s your average overall dmg?

[arctic axle]

last m+7 i did was like 1.1bil?

mil

[ashen rampart]

I feel like the BS nerf on arms hurt slayer quite a bit

10% is a pretty strong nerf

[arctic axle]

what was interesting was my demolish was more dmg overall than cleave,which usually was 1st by far

maybe got lucky,with good packs,but had a blast seeing millions on groups

[ashen rampart]

The thing I dont like is that everything revolves around demolish

Like it becomes most of your damage

[devout pewter]

Iirc warbreaker isnt up as long? So next warbreaker you have no bladestorm and avatar, losing damage, after that you might have to hold your cooldowns a bit to line them up, losing damage. All that for a relatively minor increase.. kinda meh.

CS you gain a massive amount of single target damage, which is in most situations worth a lot more, and also more damage through Sweeping Strikes in cleave situations.

[opal kelp]

I’ll try that next run

[dreamy sleet]

New to arms, trying collosus, what’s your rotation without major cooldowns if you don’t mind, just want to understand the flow of it thanks @arctic axle

[arctic axle]

what i generally do is charge>cleave>thunderclap ,so u got all bleeds up,then sweeping + cs > demolish(first 2 hits can cleave)

after that as usual,cleave prio,overpower ,ms when nothing else

assuming u mean packs

with cds, is more or less the same but u ll want to do sweeping>avatar+ravager(at least i do for less buttons)>dragon roar>cs >demolish >spam cleave

and its best if u have 10 stacks on demolish rdy for max fun

[devout pewter]

Do roar and rav before sweeping so you dont waste uptime

[arctic axle]

its not a huge difference ,but if u do it a bit early,u might catch collateral dmg buff inside of cs

although best case is 2 mobs will have cs on

[dreamy sleet]

Cool thanks!

[modest bone]

ok thanks i understand the point now ^^

[devout pewter]

I mean its 2 globals you can use on something that buffs collareral, I'd think thats worth more than using rav and roar in avatar?

[arctic axle]

as i said its a minor difference,wont make or break the combo,and i am used it from the days when unhinged was allowed to sweeping strikes ms...

[arctic axle]

just did the math,u ll lose 2% on 5 targets and u ll gain 5% on 3 targets and 14% on 2 targets my way

so take ur pick 🙂

[devout pewter]

Interesting, alright 😄

[arctic axle]

its about the collateral inside the cs,if manage to get it in,the less targets the better ,obviously 2 is the sweet spot

looks like this ,assuming 12 stacks vs 10 stacks+ cs ,[cleave x 4 (12stacks +25%) x targets] vs [cleave x 3.5 (10 stacks)x targets x 1.3 (cs)]

numbers are just what i can get with my current haste/gear

[torpid tide]

Arms is a little clunky and button bloated or it’s just me

[gaunt owl]

its you !

opener is kinda busy

[torpid tide]

I’m OG arms but haven’t played since BFA

Execute phase is sexy

[weak wave]

Does Demolish work with SS?

[gaunt owl]

thats the cursed gameplay

you aiming for MS when its giga buffed by tier set and 2 EP only

[gaunt owl]

the first 2 hit do

[torpid tide]

Coo

Ty

[stuck niche]

noob question, does it matter how much duration on rend I have before casting skullsplitter?

[leaden oracle]

nope

rend should basically always be up

[torpid tide]

what can be macrod together nicely?

[gaunt owl]

i dont have any macro to combine ability

i have one for Tclap or Rend

and one for Avatar with my Transmitter

[torpid tide]

coo

[gaunt owl]

pretty sure the same one are on the wowhead guide

[nova marsh]

You'll always cast rend omce to reapply once at least so not really

In sks

[naive sage]

That's what a pidgeon would say

[tall socket]

Can i just replace rend with TC. You know, eliminate a button since both leave the dot but tc is aoe

[torpid tide]

[safe flax]

Hey all, new here. I'm having trouble and thought maybe you all could help. I'm struggling to rage-dump and it seems like I'm j ust constantly capping. I'm not using Battlelord or Storm of Swords, not currently specced for Ignore Pain, but I feel like I still generate too much rage. Any advice?

[gaunt owl]

Rage bar still cosmetic til you hit execute

Nothing to worry about

[thick kelp]

Storm of Swords

kekl

[safe flax]

Gotcha, alright then no worries. Every guide or group I ask is just "DONT RAGE CAP" and I'm sitting here just

https://tenor.com/view/cry-crying-cat-crying-cat-cry-why-gif-27571714

[thick kelp]

what guide

[gaunt owl]

Who said that

https://tenor.com/view/who-said-that-gif-7954084

[fringe moon]

I had these together but realized that I wasted avatar looking for the orb/soak

[neon niche]

imagine having issues on 4 buttons rotation

arms is too much

[fringe moon]

Tried colossus for fun in a key and it felt so clunky. I hope blizzard does something to the spec this expansion so it’s an option

[weak wave]

Funny I did the same with a hybrid build just an hour ago and it felt so much better than Slayer

[rapid cedar]

how much of a dps loss is it to get rid of skullsplitter?

in both aoe and st

[safe comet]

Without skull I sim like 30k less. So from 1.07mil to 1.04mil

I personally hate it so I don’t use it

[rapid cedar]

thats i fine i guess lol

[weak wave]

My hybrid Colossus build (without Skullsplitter) sims higher in ST than my Slayer build

Slayer:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4pEoZ98y9jizmhNbcBVfwB

Colossus:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/42zg2c8QTERiu3Ur5iaYpN

[boreal quartz]

dslice

thats not st

[weak wave]

Oh damn you are right

Why is that

[untold trench]

ask the doctor

[weak wave]

He is not answering his phone 😦

[sacred zodiac]

what has opportunist done?

[fringe moon]

Your builds aren’t even similar. The slayer build is your ST raid build. The colossus build has cleave. Of course it’ll sim higher in dungeon slice where there are adds

[sacred zodiac]

i managed to fix my weakauras to solve the rotation for me now i press glowing buttons again

yippie !!!

[weak wave]

Yeah I was stupid :/

[livid cloak]

If you're running MBG, does cleave overtake slam in single target during mbg, as long as you aren't eating MP stacks?

[weak wave]

MBG?

Bonegrinder?

[livid cloak]

Yes

[weak wave]

Yes. Cleave: 215k Slam: 182k

[manic river]

Question, since the Colossus build takes the talent for avatar to give you 8 secs of SS I'm obviously guessing that's enough for the opener even if SS also has a very high priority, unless people are playing without that talent too

[quasi torrent]

death to arms

[misty bridge]

[zenith warren]

because you'd want to hold warbreaker for bladestorm so blunt instruments gives you more uses because you send colossus smash on cd always+more boss/priority target dmg

[onyx robin]

hello guys, I plan to only play arms in progress, is it better for me to craft 636 nerubian embelish weapon or double crit embellishments + 639 weapon from first boss?

[gaunt owl]

This trinket is annoying

[halcyon breach]

You should learn how to play without weakauras, for they are a crutch!!!!

[sacred zodiac]

you are my crutch!

[halcyon breach]

https://tenor.com/view/hedgehoglove-hedgehog-arici-gif-21931845

[sacred zodiac]

wtf?

[quasi torrent]

who is who

[shadow ibex]

We need to get this exe rotation fix I hate this weak aura stacking 🤢

[thick kelp]

One MS buff away from fix

[fringe moon]

It is. But you get used to it

[dreamy sleet]

I never thought arms would be this fun just been crushing

[torpid tide]

Which arms build is most fun to play. I’m just doing m0 and delve stuff. Playstyle wise

[dire hinge]

fun is subjective to the player, give both a shot and see which vibes with you more

[torpid tide]

Give me a visual Hrothy

Which one is true arms

[dire hinge]

both are true arms

• one does big hits
• one does frequent smaller hits

[white anvil]

mood

[torpid tide]

Nice. Tx

[livid cloak]

@dire hinge are you proud of me

[dire hinge]

Hahahaha

📈

[livid cloak]

tbh princess has been a nightmare to prog in pugs, glad i finally got it. thought the 99 heal was a nice cherry on top

i almost wiped our group b/c i was bladestorming during dashes and one was on me - couldn't get out. TIL i need a cancelaura macro

[fossil mantle]

the colossus dream is dead (+9 Ara Kara)

[rich patio]

anyone tried colossus with wb and spear for big aoe shenanigans?

[dire hinge]

We can finally have one again it feels nice

[shadow ibex]

the universe if cleave popped EP

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-sword-gif-21090815

[boreal quartz]

thatd be a dps loss for 2t

[shadow ibex]

we dont take cleave v court do we

[boreal quartz]

i think you could

if ur tryna pad

depends on comp in mythic ig

cuz on hc adds melt in bs/roar

[tranquil sundial]

is it worth to have an amberr gem (stamina + small haste/crit) over a regular one

to get the bonus .15% crit

[sterile trout]

Hello

Which embellish is the best for Arms, and wich stats on crafted weapon shall i get ?

[tranquil sundial]

crit haste

also

[tranquil sundial]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/bis-gear#embellishments

[worldly kernel]

took cleave for our kill, i don't think you need it honestly

[shadow ibex]

then ill eat the 2t loss to nuke 5 EPs

[worldly kernel]

I did take imp SS though

[manic stirrup]

no you shouldnt

[shadow ibex]

so popping EP with cleave wouldnt cost 2t

[inland quest]

" colossu is dead'"

[mystic karma]

is that colossus @inland quest

[sharp wyvern]

show boss dps

[neon niche]

My guy is flexing a details screenshot

[sharp wyvern]

collosus has some nice aoe but once you get to a ST boss its over

[neon niche]

There is so many things to consider

[shadow ibex]

My colossus boss ST carried by queen trinket

https://tenor.com/view/squashing-bugs-do-your-part-gif-9763764

[sharp wyvern]

did a siege 9 as collossus and once we got t the 2nd boss i regretted everything

[ornate mountain]

I played colossus in a few 9s as well

The aoe is good

But the single target is fucking ass

[inland quest]

yeah

[warped spade]

While it is "free" damage the crit blasphemite gem without stam gem is .6 % crit damage. @50% crit chance on a 1.5m dps sim (without the arms crit dam talent) is 6k dps increase. You could have that or 8% movement speed.

[paper dove]

should Arms have weapon as nr. 1 priority craft?

[balmy swallow]

is the runed harbinger crest cap increased weekly?

[broken arrow]

Yap, along side all other crest caps.

[balmy swallow]

guess ill wait til wednesday to upgrade my weapon to max

[fossil mantle]

a retri with 995k? ufff

[runic pagoda]

bro was having a hard time pressing divine storm

[nova marsh]

I mean

At least they aren't doing 800k

[abstract vale]

must've been a rat paladin

[mint patio]

Are we just abosolute shit this season in keys? Like I dont want to play anymore. Playing with guildies ret pally, MM hunter and aff lock the difference it stupid.

[teal fossil]

No arms is good rn

[fresh tide]

MM is pretty gross, I think they're flying under the radar

[mint patio]

I never considered myself a slouch but the ret pally is alsmot double my dps at the same item level.

[misty bridge]

Play colossus and you can somewhat close the gap

[mint patio]

yeah Ive only been plahing slayer as I thought it was supposed to be the better spec

[prime prairie]

For single target execute phase, if you don't have 4pc (ie. Lethal Blows), when do you send Mortal Strikes? With 2 Executioner's Precision + 2 Martial Prowess?

[mint patio]

I only have 2p.

but I send MS when its available.

[leaden oracle]

send it to reset rend at like ~2 seconds of rend left

after 4p with 2 EP and 2 stacks of the 4p buff

[minor gust]

if you dont have 4pc you only MS in exe to refresh your dots

[velvet slate]

is there any reason we abandoned test of might? been trying it out just for the memes and you can really get some insane strength buffs

[minor gust]

iftk is just simply better

[velvet slate]

it is for sure, just seems crazy a 30->70% main stat buff cant beat 10-20% haste

[manic stirrup]

just dont spend that much rage before execute at all

[ornate mountain]

Do you guys find the class fun in keys?

This iteration for me is dog

[velvet slate]

true, im gonna do more feelycrafting on the bridge boss since you can execute that guy forever, hopefully i can get the main stat trink this week

and yea m+ is horrible

[ornate mountain]

The play style feels like dog

[velvet slate]

feels like way too much effort compared to fotm but at least i wont get carpal tunnel

[manic stirrup]

yeah

as colossus its very fun

i dont see why you wouldnt like it

[wanton sierra]

man i was playin colossus and im havin an blast... i feel i do more consistant dmg as slayer, but the spike potential dam of colossus is so damn nice

[paper gulch]

I still think both need improvement. Like slayer not being able to use ravager is ridiculous.

Demolish is cool but the CDR is shit.

Overall, both feel under developed.

[untold trench]

but but, slayer is all about bladestorming doing a little bit of dam doing so

[minor gust]

ravger working with slayer kills bladestorm

its seperated for a reason

[paper gulch]

Its stupid that i have the choice then

Take it away.

[minor gust]

go play colossus if u wanna use ravager

[paper gulch]

Lmao.

What a stupid answer.

[minor gust]

cry more

[paper gulch]

I see why youre a frozen bozo

Lmao

Youre stuck on stupid

[olive nest]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-gossip-listening-suspense-drama-gif-13117366258359790345

[icy mulch]

which sstats are usefull for amrs m+?

in the guide i dont see it

[west wasp]

what are the common rotation mistakes arms warriors make?

[reef glade]

first key as arms with jugg build thoughts

8 nw, feels weird to sweeping a cs but then bs and just waste like half of sweeping

do you just not two target cs and fuq it

[west wasp]

haste and critcal strike

look on iceyveins for bis gear and you can look at bis between raid and mythic plus and overall

[icy mulch]

how much ilvll do u have?

[reef glade]

615 but mostly geared for fury

got a couple random crithaste pieces i slapped on

[minor gust]

sweeping the cs still feels worth imo

[shadow ibex]

it feels so dumb without sweeping unhinged

just passive sweeping in next expac plz

[nova marsh]

Imagine arms with baseline passive sweep

[vital rune]

I will say... Being useful for an affix for once feels good

[nova marsh]

It feels great tbh

[worldly kernel]

I tried it on beta and I did some on live it feels way too clunky, theres not really one instance I can think of where i'd want it over slayer

[manic stirrup]

how is it clinky

it feels super smooth to me idk

[worldly kernel]

it just feels awkward to use demolish

I mean I could give it a try again I have some gear now maybe i'll change my mind

I just wish demo was replaced by like something you use to giga juice an MS

[nova marsh]

Make MS change into demolish evrey like 500 rage spent

[strange perch]

how does arms feel in keys btw people

[nova marsh]

I like it

[worldly kernel]

feels good

[nova marsh]

Feels great honestly. Bladestorm is massive

BS feeling like an actual CD makes me happyuu

[fringe moon]

Yeah the nerf to unhinged sucks. Wish blizzard just left it alone so we could sweep the MS

[terse osprey]

yall be doing delves as Arms or do you swap to Fury?

[hot wharf]

do we ever use ignore pain

in m+ or raid

[ornate mountain]

what build do you use for bladestorm

I tried the colossus ravager one

[teal fossil]

refer to wowhead

[teal fossil]

tbh not a bad idea

but then demolish would be affected by MS modifiers

and i really dont want that to happen lol

[shadow ibex]

make it affected by sharpened blades

[hot wharf]

you can send valor stones to warband right?

[vital rune]

3 stacks of shatter on Skar is basically a wipe right?

[gilded stump]

Wrong

[hot wharf]

taht def not dumb af

[gilded stump]

No it's not, now shut up and go farm your weekly 100 wax

[hot wharf]

vile

[gilded stump]

YOU WILL DO WORLD QUESTS
YOU WILL DO WEEKLY CHESTS
YOU WILL FARM 100 WAX
YOU WILL DO LAMPLIGHTER WORLD QUESTS
YOU WILL DO THEATER
YOU WILL DO AWAKENING THE MACHINE
EVERY SINGLE WEEK AND EVERY DAY

[short mango]

F

[misty bridge]

Prot

[shadow ibex]

[nova marsh]

swap specs or just get a group and say fuck it we ball

[balmy kindle]

Blizzard trolling me on my alt

[nova marsh]

show how

[balmy kindle]

[nova marsh]

is it trash?

[gilded stump]

It's ok

[balmy kindle]

It's like a 5% dmg increase from the candle at 584 on my dk

[nova marsh]

yuge

[balmy kindle]

Now why does blizzard not give me this on the warrior

[formal badge]

I’m also interested in getting an answer to this

[nova marsh]

not enough MS, not keeping rend up to like 99% uptime

[finite night]

So I'm looking at the colossus execute rotation on wowhead, and it has exe with 2x ep as pretty high prio. A quick sim in colossus talents though (with 4 piece) shows exe spam with ms just to refresh deep wounds tho -- anyone know which is more up to date?

[nova marsh]

Mistakes I see a lot in log review

[nova marsh]

Neither hero spec changes the exe rotation

U just use exe until MS has 1 of two conditions: Pre 4 set is when rend or DW is about to fall off. Post 4 set is with fully maxed out 4 set buff and 2x ep

[finite night]

that's what the sim is showing, but on wowhead rota prio it shows, 2x ep takes prio over exe (outside of ravager):

Guessing this might be outdated then?

[nova marsh]

Potentionally (since colossus isn't favored atm) ...it is...really weird that it has both

Could ask archi for a clarifcation

[mighty swallow]

Priority lists for arms tell you to re-apply rend and I see some casts in logs, I assume you would only cast rend once since we take blood letting. Am I missing something?

[frigid cipher]

Bloodletting refreshes rend when the target has less than 35% hp. Before that you’re manually applying it every time

[mighty swallow]

yep missing something, thanks mate

[elfin violet]

Is it just me that's loving demolish in M+? `feels great sending max dmg demolishes and buffed up cleave to the heaven

[polar briar]

I would enjoy playing colossus way more if the pug tanks didn't move as much 😂

[elfin violet]

heh true, but it comes a bit late in the rotation how i do it

so the packs are mostly settled

[boreal quartz]

do higher keys

[errant plaza]

Someone tried a Colossus Juggernaut Build to compensate the ST loss ?

I love playing Jugg

[sleek remnant]

Anyone running the queen's mandate trinket in M+?

Are you guys just sending it or using it as an execute?

[vivid spade]

hey guys, just a quick question does stacks from overpower and executioner's precision stack ?

[boreal quartz]

ye

[vivid spade]

is this yes to my question ?

[boreal quartz]

yes

[quasi torrent]

The trinket does up to 50% extra dmg (at "0%" enemy hp, scaling linearly to that point)
Any overkill will just eat into your damage, and yes the trinket needs to execute the target, no grace periods.

Theres unfortunately no accurate answer for every situation. But just sending into a big mob to equalize hp can be quite good.

[plucky fern]

i did and it definetly works better than regular colossus, done some 7-8 keys with that

[arctic hearth]

have you done the raid as colo?

doing my first raid as arms atm (just a normal, testing slayer)

[minor gust]

you can get away with playing colossus in M+ but I wouldnt recommend it for raiding

[arctic hearth]

yeah

rip 😦

[minor gust]

boss dmg just aint there

[thick hamlet]

fellas how do i sim the egg trinket

whether it's best to have the primary stat stacks, or the secondary stacks

[minor gust]

huh?

[visual fern]

Colarms goat stonevault

[minor gust]

I wouldnt know I havent touched colo in a key yet

[visual fern]

I wouldn't either

https://tenor.com/fzO0vIRYrcV.gif

[minor gust]

tho ive been warming up to it on some dummies its actually pretty satisfying in aoe

[visual fern]

The only hard part of homework stonevault is twins boss

Arms in theory good

[minor gust]

yeah that boss is rough

pretty surprised it didnt get nerfed in the recent tuning

[visual fern]

I think the actual fight is okay

Maybe reduce passive dam by like

5-8%

Just

Add a fucking grace period

[sleek remnant]

Why do we take EP if we dont' use MS except to refresh rend in execute? I know this changes when we have 4p and we use it with 2x EP 2x OP

[visual fern]

To enrage

[minor gust]

theres one overlap that fucks hard

that kills most groups

[visual fern]

Yah the overlap is fine if you can communicate CDs

[sleek remnant]

Wouldn't battlelord be better throughout the entire fight?

[visual fern]

Hence .

Vents -5% and cube explode -5%

Significant

[gaunt owl]

battlelord is so down bad

most of its power was from OP buff

[minor gust]

revert the MS nerf when

[sleek remnant]

but EP is borderline useless outside of 4 set?

[visual fern]

Buff OP buff when

[minor gust]

EP has pretty good value outside of execute

[sleek remnant]

For the SD procs?

[minor gust]

correct

[plucky fern]

idk i might be coping but colossus feels like its better in m+ but just harder and more clunky to play
done a bunch of keys with both specs, overall damage about the same for colo and slayer, but tankiness is noticably better

but wowhead colo build is garbo you definetly dont go full aoe, need execute shit for sure otherwise tank damage on bosses

[minor gust]

idk personally havent played much of it myself but gellyfisk has been blasting some colossus

[gaunt owl]

they all have the same problem

MS dmg baseline

just sux

[visual fern]

gellyfisk
SKS enjoyer

[minor gust]

[visual fern]

Die sks die

https://tenor.com/bftr6.gif

Die arms die

[halcyon breach]

It's already basically dead men..

[minor gust]

let it die so maybe one day it can be reborn into something great

[sharp wyvern]

its free rage

[pallid cove]

Does anyone us Collsus on any higher keys here ?

like 8 up ?

[sharp wyvern]

use it once on a 9

ST was so shit i never did it again

[plucky fern]

gellyfisk does colo in 10-11 and he's the highest rio arms

[pallid cove]

then i love him

[scarlet geode]

Does Hekili know that i have 4 Set?

[minor gust]

never used Hekili but I would assume so

[gaunt owl]

hekili knows what we tell him to knows

[visual fern]

https://tenor.com/bYKPG.gif

https://tenor.com/b1LUY.gif

[quasi torrent]

no i dont

[onyx robin]

hello guys, I plan to only play arms in progress, is it better for me to craft 636 nerubian embelish weapon or double crit/vers embellishments + 639 weapon from first boss?

[placid topaz]

having difficulty keeping up with rend, you guys use weakauras to track duration?

[crimson nimbus]

mark

[mossy vale]

Yup. Also added a sound effect whenever it hits the 3 second mark so I remember to refresh it.

[placid topaz]

mind sharing yours?

im not that proficient in wa

[untold trench]

I just set rend on my bars to now show if applied. At 4 sec it shows back up and mews, to remind me to refresh. At 0 it gives a sad mew to indicate it fell off.

[terse osprey]

Roger that🫡

[slow saddle]

Big kitty move🤣

[dire lodge]

best m+ build as arms?

[crimson nimbus]

does anyone know the bug

where u spec into overpower cleave but u dont see the shockwaves anymore?

im not getting dreadnaught to proc

[vestal crag]

Hello fellow sweatlords. In Execute phase, if i dont have 4-set, do i just never press Mortal strike? Just to maintain deep wounds?

[latent moss]

just to maintain rend and deep wounds yes

[manic stirrup]

yes

[manic stirrup]

are you talented into it

[slim hazel]

who is the Best Streamer for Arms ?

all of the streamers play fury : (

[astral yarrow]

most warriors streaming kyveza in raid are playing arms

Wvalhe is mainly an arms player

[slim hazel]

thank you

❤️

and Master > Haste > crit > versa is still work for arms ?

[astral yarrow]

arms likes most stats, so you are most likely good unless you have 0 crit or haste

[midnight mural]

I've simmed Top Gear arms / fury with mainly haste mastery gear, and even though i have several crit /haste pieces to slot in top hear didnt change much other than ring enchants. Haste mastery works well for both speccs

[manic river]

O wow, a colosus on the top

[strange perch]

Colossus is much better in keys than it is in raid

You just need the rest of your group to bring ST

[quasi torrent]

well colossus is 5% larger

[manic river]

Win by height

[thick hamlet]

fellas why on earth am i lower health than every other class/spec i've seen with my same ilvl

is it an arms thing, or am i missing something like an enchant

[manic river]

What do you think the devs could do to improve Colosus st a bit?

[slim hazel]

Crit haste or Haste mastery ?

[sharp wyvern]

more mortal strike multipliers on collosus tree

[slim hazel]

Which One is better ?

[sharp wyvern]

depends on the stats you have already

its better to just sim stuff for that

[leaden oracle]

item by item basis just sim ye

[neon jasper]

Colossus so much cooler than slayer

[neon jasper]

Where do you see these stats btw

[ebon garden]

murlok io

[fossil thistle]

According to the rating difference it’s not.
It’s only 2.81% larger

[quasi torrent]

silence

[thick hamlet]

Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg is a confusing trinket

which buff do we like more? secondaries(haste/crit?) or primary?

[fossil thistle]

Most melee classes value main stat over secondaries, I’m sure trying to min/max “balancing” the egg isn’t very effective

[fossil thistle]

Other classes take the stam leg enchant, and I think they naturally get some stamina talents

Artificially inflate your hp pool with ignore pain though 😮

[thick hamlet]

i've been using fueled by violence instead in m+, maybe i should go ignore pain instead

[fossil thistle]

Yes

IP is amazingly strong, especially in higher keys. Lower stuff where you aren’t at risk of being 1 shot, it doesn’t matter as much, but IP can also help with thread uptime %

[thick hamlet]

thanks amigo, i appreciate the answer

[cunning hound]

question for ST , i am seeing in the logs that in execute we only press MS to refresh rend is that it ?

[arctic hearth]

Unless 4p i think ye

[manic river]

Yes unless you have the 4 piece tier set, then you press it when it fully buffed

If I'm not mistaken 2 procs from the set and 2 from OP

[cunning hound]

yes

i have revvez WAs

i just saw it glows when its fully buffed

[manic river]

Cool

[fossil thistle]

😮 is there a WA tracker that doesn't cost a subscription

[quasi torrent]

what

[fossil thistle]

iirc revvez WA pack required his twitch sub, wasn't it?

[thick hamlet]

is there a reason to ever TC instead of rend on ST

[fossil thistle]

rage cost for CDR

[thick hamlet]

they're both 20rage now

[fossil thistle]

oh, then no

[cunning hound]

correct

[fossil thistle]

So my question was, is thee a WA pack that would track the 2x2 buffs that don't require a sub cost x)

[sacred zodiac]

wdym with 2x2 buffs

[eternal vortex]

2 lethal blows with 2 EP

[fossil thistle]

2EP 2 LB

[eternal vortex]

Thats what he meant i think

[fossil thistle]

yea

[sacred zodiac]

write one if you dont want to nab a private one

its legit an AND check to figure out if you have 2 stacks of 2 different buffs

[fossil thistle]

I mean my question was just if there was a public one 😄

[sacred zodiac]

no shot lux or whoever makes public wa packages dont have something you can nab and alter

[dire hinge]

it takes a little bit of learning, but you can also take any aura that tracks something like EP and just duplicate it and have it watch for LP as well

don't take a masters in programming, it can all be done via the UI

[fresh tide]

if you're somehow forced outside of melee range and need to refresh rend you could I guess, but realistically no

[nova marsh]

I mean even that's highly unrealistic

TC is barely bigger then meele range

[fresh tide]

It's unlikely, yeah

There are a lot of mobs that do point blank aoes that are melee range sized, but those are pretty much always in dungeons

[nova marsh]

Where you'll be hitting TC anyways

[latent moss]

until lethal blows is fucking delayed like opportunist

[sacred zodiac]

does this matter?

you have to press the tac reset op anyways before you MS

[latent moss]

u need a tact proc

u dont have to spend it

[broken kraken]

What is the general consensus for arms war going from df to tww? Overall positive changes? Fun hero talent?

[latent moss]

sidegrade

not better not worse

[sacred zodiac]

yes but you have to proc tac to gain lb

and then you have a tac procced op

[broken kraken]

Gotcha

[sacred zodiac]

which you probably wanna press before MS

[latent moss]

yeah but it happens pretty often where u just continue pressing exe

and u get 2x lb and 2x ep

so u ms

without pressing op

[sacred zodiac]

idk imma be real with you i dont think the WA needs to be written so it glows instantly as soon as tac procs instead of when lethal blows procs

the weakaura doesnt have to solve decisionmaking for you it only has to be there as an indicator

and i can count to 2 on tac procs in my headus

you could technically write it to read tac procs since MS press instead of reading the amount of lethal blow stacks instead

[manic stirrup]

idk why atrocity ui doesnt track lethal blows

[shadow ibex]

fuck lethal blows

[manic stirrup]

but yeah you just use tactician overpower

every time

so its not a big deal

[shadow ibex]

cursed ass exe rota

[nova marsh]

is it thou

[manic stirrup]

i mean ppl complained you didnt use ms in execute

now you use it more ppl conplain

what can you dk

do

[nova marsh]

Literally noone will ever be happy with exe rotation

[shadow ibex]

saying you use it now kinda misleading

[nova marsh]

I mean you do?

[shadow ibex]

since it's stacking buffs to make it worth the dpe only

[nova marsh]

It's just not the main star

[shadow ibex]

Like idk if you just look at it as "well ackshully you use it" 🤓

[nova marsh]

So you'd rather we go back to DF where the exe rotation revolves around buffing MS?

[shadow ibex]

Yea technically correct but kinda losing the spirit of the discourse in that MS needs 4 buffs to be good

[nova marsh]

See

[manic stirrup]

yawn

[nova marsh]

Maybe if they didn't nerf MS for no reason it'd help

[shadow ibex]

I think there's some middle ground probably

[manic stirrup]

ms in sl was pressed on cd always bc mortal combo and your legendary

even without hella buffs

its not like it just did insane damage

you had to maximize cs procs

[shadow ibex]

I think it should be worth pressing without LB

[nova marsh]

I mean really that rotation is just the same as DF

Just you get less value per cast

I do think there should be a fine line between just plain execute spam and using MS at least

You could also just...give us enduring blow back

[manic stirrup]

hell no

that shit is casino as fuck

[nova marsh]

GAMBA

[latent moss]

exe fucked

in sl

u didnt press it a lot but

when u did

it fucked

[latent moss]

i meant like LB counter so i know when i have 2 LB without having to count how many times i saw the tactician visual

i count it in my head anyway but it helps

ideally ur rota (with luck) in exe would be

exe exe exe ms

u get 2 tact procs = 2 lb

u send ms on cd

but obv u fill with sks/op

cause its not ideal u might roll sd when u dont need it etc

ngl idk why phil hates opportunist so much

i like how it makes us stay healthy with rage

where with decent crit u are almost always 60+ rage

@boreal quartz why do u hate opportunist

imagine no opportunist exe rota

exe until u have 0 rage oh u got some rage

exe

[boreal quartz]

On fury

[latent moss]

ok fair

opp on fury is an opp

mf hold rb until cb if opp

🤢

[safe comet]

#2 on heroic bloodhound, arms keepin up

[lilac reef]

time to switch to arms with the fury nerfs?

[fringe moon]

Are we able to spell reflect the webs on ulgrax?

[nova marsh]

no

Fury better

Arms is on fumes

[hexed saddle]

arms for ST fights

kyveza and sikran

[gaunt owl]

Arms always

dont listen to the Fury propaganda

[nova marsh]

If u need pad, just log an alt

[fringe moon]

Anybody remember how long the death timer is on the last boss in NW when you counter the teleport?

[gaunt owl]

45 seconds ?

[safe comet]

https://gyazo.com/e870aa153c5eca5fe7a49e78f418a0e3

Heroic Sikran, keepin the dream alive

Fury gamer almost got me

[wide apex]

uh countering teleport isn't as good nowadays

unless you kill b4 it drops

you get 15sec or whatever death penalty

the buff is now 100% crit chance for 40 seconds when you return as well

you can crank some serious dam

[gaunt owl]

thats pretty big

[safe comet]

Arms is goin great for me

[oblique summit]

how is the mythic + on arms ?

[quaint otter]

Big

[safe comet]

Pretty decent. I swap out Skullcrusher for Exhilirating Blows and the cleave procs are pretty big somtimes

[quaint otter]

fury slightly better but still

[safe comet]

Colossus is fun but slayer just feels better

[quaint otter]

slayer too much qol

[dense prairie]

Wanna try arms but right now I’m still topping every key pretty much on overall and boss damage up to +10 as fury

[safe comet]

I beat fury on bosses when I do double war keys, but fury burst aoe still cracked

[oblique summit]

well seems like the correct time to learn arms

[dense prairie]

Prob should be but with both tyran and fortified trash and bosses kinda matters

[safe comet]

I find Arms more fun. For me, more fun > slightly better aoe

[dense prairie]

I don’t know if it’s slight but I haven’t played arms in keys yet to know

[safe comet]

Consistant aoe feels better, but odyn's fury always carries

[dense prairie]

Also it’s def not as tanky

[safe comet]

Ive had 3mil Cleave crits and im just spammin it

Arms aoe isn't bad at all

5.8mil Demolisher crit in a city of threads key when I was trying it out

[kind stag]

alll this arms talk makes me wanna learn to play arms aswell

[ionic latch]

wish colossus st was at least decent

[safe comet]

https://gyazo.com/4061408982e80247ab33adfba80d72d7

rolled a 100

not the best but #4 I think

[nova marsh]

well u are in the arms chat

we are gamers of arms

[fringe moon]

Tried colossus again in a 9 SB and it felt terrible.

[dire lodge]

best talents for m+?

[nova marsh]

Check wowhead or #dps-faq

[slow saddle]

Avg col exp m8🥲

[nova marsh]

Popping BS as slayer slaps so hard

[arctic hearth]

Should my cleave dmg be way higher? 😒

[nova marsh]

are you running a multi target build on rash?

If so...you probally shouldn't

[cursive cobalt]

Do we need to keep rend and thunderclap seperate or can we just use thunderclap to free up a keybind?

[arctic hearth]

this was m+

dawnbreaker +4, stuff died fairly quick

[nova marsh]

OH

In keys yes it should be

[nova marsh]

It's a p minor loss irrc to use TC instead

[arctic hearth]

i keep rend on charge keybind and just use that when ST raid bosses

in dungeons I usualyl just tclap

[nova marsh]

I just use two seperate keybinds cuz I'm a crackhead

and I've just gotten used to it now unfortauntely

[latent moss]

ur talents are so scuffed

take the ones from wowhead

concussive blows is useless

imp ss is bad

compared to colat

soa is only ever stronger than dn on st

u shouldnt be playing sks and bloodborne as slayer

[nova marsh]

"Take the ones from wowhead" the ones from wowhead use SkS and BB?

For slayer

[latent moss]

drop sks and bb for critical thinking and juggernaut

[nova marsh]

Jugg in keys?

Dude no

That shit is awful

It was awful in DF it's awful now

[latent moss]

no?

[arctic hearth]

awsome tyvm!

[nova marsh]

Are you running normal SD?

[latent moss]

it makes execute 10x better

[nova marsh]

Because wowhead's also doesn't

[latent moss]

both feelwise and dpsise

[nova marsh]

Okay, what about when your stacks drop, which I garantee you

They will

[latent moss]

u dont prio exe over cleave anyway

it drops so what

[nova marsh]

It drops now you just wasted a talent point

Like

In that case, what's the point

also questiopn how

Dropping both drops u below the point gate

the point gate needed to get CT and jugg

and jugg isn't accessible from ViV

You'd also need Massa or Sos to get to CT in the first place? Are you dropping Blades too?

[latent moss]

has by far the best st

and loses little

in aoe

and u dont have to play around jugg at all

[nova marsh]

Idk I just...am alright with sks

[arctic hearth]

Dreadnaught?

I heard thats dead :p

[latent moss]

no

[nova marsh]

It's really not

[latent moss]

its only worse at st

[nova marsh]

It's just not as ridiciously busted as it was in DF

[arctic hearth]

oh ic

sweet

tyvm for the help!

[nova marsh]

DF dreadnaught was fucking stupid

[arctic hearth]

no sks makes me kinda happy tbh :p

so you OP - cleave and the MS?

[nova marsh]

I will try it

I mean it's not like arms has rage issues in AoE anyways

And CT will make exe feel a little better

well I'll try it if I can ever get a fucking group

[arctic hearth]

what do you run on silken court ?

adds die with BS every time, so cleave = nogo?

[latent moss]

no cleave

drop uproar for blademasters

and 1 bb for improved ss

[lethal acorn]

Colossus Arms is really good for last boss of the siege dungeon because I can root myself with Demolish when slam is casted so I don't fly into swirlies

100 more io until 2k!

[nova marsh]

GAMING

[lethal acorn]

Colossus :)

[nova marsh]

i'm 900 off 😦

[arctic hearth]

1750 :p

[lethal acorn]

Demolish is like spell reflect, it can have some niche uses but very useful utility when those uses come into play

[arctic hearth]

current, not off :p

always culling cyclone over brutal finnish in m+ ye?

[lethal acorn]

I don't play Slayer but don't you run culling in all content?

It makes your bs good in ST

[arctic hearth]

1 buffed ms vs 20% bs dmg