#arms
nova marsh
shadow ibex
fresh tide
don't need execute, cleave only
nova marsh
And then die in demolish
fresh tide
boreal quartz
:3 u dont
shadow ibex
fuck ravager please i hate it hogging so many points
latent moss
-2 points or turboaids
slayer wiht skyfury fucks on st
nova marsh
Colo should be removed
boreal quartz
It's just ligma
nova marsh
We should just have one hero for both fury and arms
shadow ibex
make ravager not good so i dont have to spend 3 points going down the middle of the tree
nova marsh
I mean thane's problem is just tuning from what I've seen
Colossus is just trash design
shadow ibex
its funny that colossus only feels good cuz sweeping + unhinged bug
so many free stacks
boreal quartz
Colo too
shadow ibex
only way to enjoy this shit
latent moss
idk colo feels shit to play
on top of being undertuned
but u dont want it tuned high
latent moss
the fucking curses
boreal quartz
MISSALLIGN
latent moss
the fucking curses
so many curses
boreal quartz
Nahh
boreal quartz
Amk bro
nova marsh
Tf dDOES align in current arms
shadow ibex
i love not being able to kick or stormbolt while slayer can do both during bladestorm
guess i gotta think tactically
nova marsh
And run ravager
fresh tide
I have it on good authority from uncle bliz that they're adding shockwave to bladestorm too
nova marsh
a meme
nova marsh
It's a worse meme then Anni pre S3 fury
shadow ibex
thats lowkey one of my biggest pain points with it
aftering playing slayer and being able to play the game during BS
go to colossus and just be unable to with demo
latent moss
after being able to play execute phase
shadow ibex
i swear people dont even know
how bad colossus exe rage is
like we talk about it but until you actually play it in m+ i dont wanna hear shit
nova marsh
Because colossus is bad and deserves to be removed from the game
manic stirrup
demolish isnt an issue at all though
latent moss
like we talk about it but until you actually play it in m+ i dont wanna hear shi...
execute
rage bar gone
manic stirrup
its such a short cast
shadow ibex
and it aint coming back
manic stirrup
just know when shit is happening
latent moss
it literally just eats ur rage bar
shadow ibex
just know when shit is happening
shit is always happening in a pull tho
nova marsh
demolish isnt an issue at all though
Tell that to the tank who just moved away to literally troll you
shadow ibex
or just let me use abilities like anything else
nova marsh
I mean at least you can leap in demolish
manic stirrup
have to cancel fists of fury for it
shadow ibex
its fuckin cringe
nova marsh
Unlikely BS
nova marsh
Colossus just dosen't feel worth it
The only thing it has going for it is demolish
Slayer at least has spins for days and oppertunist going for it
Oh, and nice big executes
severe palm
im trying my first key as collosus , wish me luck
shadow ibex
i would love if they let us shockwave during it for a big dmg shockwave
severe palm
idk , already did as slayer and it feels weak in M+
shadow ibex
that only works while casting demo
severe palm
but slayer rule in raid
manic stirrup
idk i think colossus owns in m+
obviously the execute rage feels kinda bad but outside of that it feels great
shadow ibex
i wouldnt mind it as much if exe rage felt better and getting a big demo super mattered instead of just putting you on par with another class overall
nova marsh
And if demolish didn't feel like such a coinflip
With extremely low lows and just okay highs
shadow ibex
i would like the exe rage to be fixed without having to talent CT. just throw in some extra rage gen into the colossus finisher or starter talent
nova marsh
I would like evrey Demolish to feel good
instead of being a total coinflip and feeling awful if you loose
Also maybe to align with anything
dense vector
Oh shit I didn’t notice that
nova marsh
But honestly? The alignment issues is bad on both specs so just fix arms ig
minor gust
I would like evrey Demolish to feel good
I would def take a dmg nerf for a 100% crit chance
without question
teal fossil
100% crit but half damage
shadow ibex
meh i would just add crit chance to stacks
teal fossil
Kekw
teal fossil
That would take up too many gcds
shadow ibex
it does feel bad tho to have 10% crit amp in the tree and it not crit
but idk how they would go around fixing that
teal fossil
Yeah adding crit chance is the easiest
nova marsh
Then just make it ONE hit
teal fossil
If you don’t want chaos bolt crit
minor gust
stacks adding crit chance would also work
anything works as long as it makes demolish feel consitent
shadow ibex
problem with stacks adding crit chance is need the natty crit we have on gear to be valuable
teal fossil
Tbf that’s just 100% crit disguised
shadow ibex
so make all crit chance over 100% on it translate to even more crit dam
nova marsh
Idk I feel like colossus's current iteration shouldn't be real
shadow ibex
teal fossil
So yeah chaos bolt crit
shadow ibex
yea
teal fossil
Is the easiest way
minor gust
yee
nova marsh
Like I just can't stand it. I think it should be reworked into a big hitter spec that's super consistant
shadow ibex
ok we get it you dont like it
nova marsh
And maybe move some power of demolish.
shadow ibex
can those of us who are trying it talk about it ffs
nova marsh
And into like....MS?
wanton sierra
man i played colossus on a mists... and i did great! 1.5m (but we got aug) it was an 5 or 6
minor gust
MS does need more power tho
nova marsh
Ye
shadow ibex
if colossus could get away from ravager it would be so good
wanton sierra
i played with avatar that procs SS
teal fossil
I don’t think that’s possible
shadow ibex
i hate that both hero specs just slam the middle of the tree
nova marsh
I m,ean FFS even just putting Blord as apart of practice strikes and giving prot extra shield slam resets would feel good
shadow ibex
only swap a choice node between BS and rav
shadow ibex
Colossus with bladestorm is obviously jank
it feels so good with sweeping + BS for stacks tho
dont have to wait 7 seconds for ravager to add 6
minor gust
I wouldnt rely on bugs tho
shadow ibex
just sweeping BS bam free 10 stacks in 2 gcds
minor gust
thats clearly a bug
wanton sierra
it feels so good with sweeping + BS for stacks tho
why?
teal fossil
Yeah that’s a big
shadow ibex
look man, we're playing colossus
teal fossil
Bug
wanton sierra
i mean, they said we cant SS bladestorm anymore
shadow ibex
you cant
wanton sierra
i mean, ms procced from bs
shadow ibex
but you get x2 stacks
wanton sierra
if crited?
shadow ibex
no
minor gust
its a bug
shadow ibex
if you sweeping before ravager or bladestorm, the mortal strikes cast from the abilities will still add x2 stacks as if you hit 2 targets
wanton sierra
damn so i shall test colossus with bs
shadow ibex
its a bug yes
im not saying its good just funner to do that with BS than ravager cuz BS adds stacks so much faster
wanton sierra
its trully wack to press rav... its nice boost on st but veryu wack
nova marsh
I like the prio damage from rav
shadow ibex
GL playing colossus vs a boss without ravager rage tho
nova marsh
cuz of the extra MSes
shadow ibex
that sounds like the darkest shit ever
wanton sierra
man, a bunch of colateral dmg stacks with CS + AVA and bonegrinder slaps
its like 4M on cleave sometimes
7M on demolish
shadow ibex
yea you can hit some nasty cleaves
wanton sierra
but i mighht go slayer, my drops turned my secondaries VERY shit.. i mean i could be fury now xD got bunch of mastry
i got like 16% crit
nova marsh
Fury is a pve spec les gooo
wanton sierra
but man! nice to play colossus, there was a couple of times taht demo doesnt hiht thhe 3rd, coz of adds moving or something
i wanna run an entire dungeon withour miss an demo
nova marsh
I'm honestly now apart of the group wanting to remove the target req from demolish
wanton sierra
but cleave was my top dam by far
nova marsh
It'd help remove the jank feel
nova marsh
wanton sierra
my demo on ingra was VERY sad... crited firsts hits but 3rd was like non crit 7M
shadow ibex
And let the stacks buff your cleave
50% OP dmg
wanton sierra
i wanna see chunks of health
manic stirrup
died on sikran at 1.1 in enraged
nova marsh
999% damage increase on demolish
nova marsh
Best feeling
manic stirrup
not when u wipe at 1% :(
wanton sierra
as slayer my ms and execute slaps hard... slayer hero specc you dont even need to think, you play as if you dont have any hero talents and you are already playin it right xD
nova marsh
The only thing that changes prio in slayer is opp
wanton sierra
i did an NW as slayer, i slapped... single target especially, i lost on aoe but i topped every boss
7 or 8 idk
lets get gear so we can push
wanton sierra
117 declines from what?
wanton sierra
but its first week, im inviting ppl with 500 score
i remember, i was there
siege of boralus on bfa tyrannical
nova marsh
Dude I got siege 3 times
wanton sierra
last boss was crazy nasty
nova marsh
I can't even get above 5s because people are just bad
wanton sierra
its everything hk
shadow ibex
last boss of siege debuff is insane
wanton sierra
im testing builds around, even spear i was testing
shadow ibex
if you dont respect it you just die
severe palm
ok my veredict , colosus have more aoe, but it feel clunky to play
wanton sierra
damn bro, what is your ilvl
nova marsh
599
wanton sierra
i got no problems gettin invited
wanton sierra
dont worry, you got plenty of time this week yet... if you are US we can play
i dont mind runnin off meta classes, i run 2 warriors alot
my friend is fury, so we try to beat each other on details
and as arms i dont lose xD at least for him
wanton sierra
🤘
crimson steppe
this game has a major problem with meta chasing, gotten kicked because I'm Arms and not Fury multiple times already
nova marsh
well...yeah
opaque citrus
this game has a major problem with meta chasing, gotten kicked because I'm Arms ...
you're dodging bullets dont worry
nova marsh
you're dodging bullets dont worry
This is omega true
If they're willing to kick like that they're probally toxic trash
opaque citrus
if they're meta chasing that hard week 1 they're shitters who are just looking to get carried by what youtube videos say is "best"
nova marsh
THIS TOO
opaque citrus
If so, they wouldn't inv fury tho
fury big numbers right now
they definitely would
big aoe = bis obviously
untold trench
Fury is far behind FDK, enh, havoc and so on 
I confusezd
balmy kindle
this game has a major problem with meta chasing, gotten kicked because I'm Arms ...
Kind of sad but wow players kind of dumb like that.
I know friends who free rode raids just playing aff lock while being bottom DPS in a meta tier
Hey I got rocks and portal = free inv
opaque citrus
Fury is far behind FDK, enh, havoc and so on <:peepostudy:617259554530656262> I ...
fury is also more popular
untold trench
Popular punching bag 
crimson steppe
fury is mind numbing though do the other ones take skill?
untold trench
Just as much, if not less
surreal whale
Probably not tested much but if you have Exhilarating blows (20% chance ms or cleave reset themselves) would ms chance to reset be increased with sweeping strikes up or still 20%?
silk spade
how 2 play arm?
thorn pelican
grave mulch
Just 1 ?
shadow ibex
needs more OP
nova marsh
how 2 play arm?
First of all grab a "Friendly" shaman
nova marsh
I'm not even meming when I say arms is actually kinda peak
(It's not I'm coping so hard)
grave mulch
more fury nerfs inc?
paper summit
need frost dk AOE nerfs. When i caught a little of echo's raid they were doing 4 frost dk
sterile wigeon
hey guys whats your prio looking like after opener ?
seeing a lot of different things
grave mulch
Wow head
paper summit
4 of any spec in a RWF is pretty risky
low mirage
hey guys whats your prio looking like after opener ?
for ST or multi?
low mirage
big cds whenever theyre up, execute whenever i see the required light ups, overpower if i have oppurtunist, mortal strike if nothing else up, overpower/slam if mortal on cd pretty much
skullsplitter over slam/overpowered if its up obv
sterile wigeon
big cds whenever theyre up, execute whenever i see the required light ups, overp...
do you recommend any WA for like oppurtunist
low mirage
pretty much whenever this pops but im sure u can make a wa
sterile wigeon
pretty much whenever this pops but im sure u can make a wa
oh this doesnt come up for my elvui
but ty
tawdry quail
Where do I find the tier set % increase for warriors?
frigid cipher
Where do I find the tier set % increase for warriors?
tawdry quail
Ty!
grave mulch
How old is that chart
latent basin
manic stirrup
of course its that wdym
rally is good but arms is also just really good st
damage to boss on rashanan
holy moly
nova marsh
We ball with doubble dusk thred ye?
severe nymph
colossus or slayer m+
tacit crystal
slayer
wide ember
friends what is the arms ST opener?
empty sluice
colossus or slayer m+
Both, up to you
gaunt owl
Thane
wide ember
thx
ebon garden
yesterday i tried again collossus in M+, packs move from a fucking perfectly buffed demolish (all cd's and buff active)
last hit dont go
dire hinge
leap back onto them mid channel (works)
ebon garden
deleted the spec from my select list
ebon garden
leap back onto them mid channel (works)
?
dire hinge
you can heroic leap in the middle of your Demolish channel in order to land your final blow on them
it doesn't interrupt your cast, and it relocates you
ebon garden
it really fucking spike hard when going well, i see some between 3.5 - 5M dps spikes
dire hinge
its goooood
ebon garden
you can heroic leap in the middle of your Demolish channel in order to land your...
omfg
dire hinge
pretty wild, but yeah it works
ebon garden
pretty wild, but yeah it works
but i still cannot play the specs that i want to play on paper
slayer is a good spec, lot's of proc and always solid in ST
but collussus was my fantasy 🙂
dire hinge
For sure, you can still play colossus if you want to though, especially in M+
definitely a bit behind in ST, unfortunately
ebon garden
yeah , but too much frustrating moment depending on a lot of sign
planet need to be align for it to be not so clunky
and i say to myself, the less ppl play it, the more blizzard can see their spec is shait
they just need to fix the exec spam on MT and exec phase
it's kinda boring
for slayer
and we all know that it included buffing MS again, but as we are really good in MT, i dont see it happening
also there is the 4 P that "change that"
but the core gameplay should'nt be spam exec in exec phase
dire hinge
yeah that mortal strike nerf really goofed things a bit
wet noodle unless it's stood up by 18 different ability buffs under it
paper dove
why are arms warriors so god damn squishy?
like every other class has almost 1 mil more hp
on similiar Ilvl
atomic mountain
hey hey. is hier someone that playes jugganout in aoe spec for m+?
i only play this (copied from wowhead) would be nice if you post your skilling trees 😄
astral yarrow
like every other class has almost 1 mil more hp
Paladin and DK have some hp nodes in their tree which warrior doesnt have
still fox
hey hey. is hier someone that playes jugganout in aoe spec for m+?
i only play ...
i play jugg
atomic mountain
but without skullsplitter?
tropic umbra
i can't find the lethal blows buff anywhere, where is it?
misty bridge
Do you need the spellid?
still fox
but without skullsplitter?
yep
tropic umbra
Please, i can't find it in WA premades or in my class tree xD
astral yarrow
Please, i can't find it in WA premades or in my class tree xD
tier set
misty bridge
Please, i can't find it in WA premades or in my class tree xD
455485
tropic umbra
OHHH
tropic umbra
I haven't got tier yet, everyone else is prio because warriors is bad
astral yarrow
but why and why dod you also not took bloodborne
you cant have everything in the tree my man
astral yarrow
I haven't got tier yet, everyone else is prio because warriors is bad
evoker tier just too good 🤷♀️
atomic mountain
you cant have everything in the tree my man
sure you cant but i am just asking to understand
astral yarrow
you'd ideally like to, but if you want AJ, you kinda want Massacre as well
astral yarrow
and if you want to do any form of aoe damage outside of your roar and BS, you want cleave. If you take cleave, you might as well take Collataral Damage
see where this is going?
atomic mountain
see where this is going?
sure and thats fine 😄 only wanted to know 😄
so you also go with this build i gess :3
astral yarrow
it usually ends up leaving you with 1 flex point. You want to path to the book thingy for tactician, but BB requires 2 points, so you either take DN which giga blows or take the other point i forget whats called
Nah, i havent played much arms this time around, but probably will for ST bosses and maybe court
still fox
Thanks for the explanation, it would have been difficult for me to explain in German and English 😄
atomic mountain
Thanks for the explanation, it would have been difficult for me to explain in Ge...
no problem. german potato here 😄
still fox
😄
worldly kernel
dude 10's are fuckin CRACKED
balmy kindle
you can heroic leap in the middle of your Demolish channel in order to land your...
Shit didn't know it worked like that 
atomic mountain
what dungeons give me crests for max wep?
astral yarrow
+9s
bleak cave
Im simming between an ilvl 626 Helmet w/o socket and a 619 Helmet w socket, whilst forcing the 4 colors for the metagem and the difference comes down to 0.1% (1.3k). Does that sound right?
(I have only the 4 gem sockets in rings nothing else)
atomic mountain
+9s
uffis. +6s are heavy with randoms that dont know mechanics but what happens on 9 then XD
astral yarrow
9s are mostly pretty easy outside a couple of mechanics on some bosses
atomic mountain
i got a hero track warry helmet from Black Temple. worth maxin this one?
astral yarrow
but you arent gonna get pugs to spend an hour in a necrotic wake progressing 3rd boss
atomic mountain
but you arent gonna get pugs to spend an hour in a necrotic wake progressing 3rd...
i hope so XD
deft gale
is it worth delaying mortal strike by a gcd to overpower for the buff
strange perch
to multispec arms/fury in raid, am i gonna have to create separate embellishment pieces with diff stats and swap gems?
grave mulch
arms is crit haste . fury has mastery haste . Arms takes double vers embleshiments
steep lichen
having some trouble getting arms to 'click' for me
can someone explain skullsplitter to me
grave mulch
Rend then skull splitter. It amps the TF out of rend hence doing more damage but also makes it expire faster
You can sweeping strikes it aswell
gusty oxide
to multispec arms/fury in raid, am i gonna have to create separate embellishment...
Going ascendance would be your best bet for raid if you play both arms and fury
it's pretty equal with two dusk poly lining
grave mulch
Dusk is just very consistent
steep lichen
uhh so if i have rend at like 8 sec duration left and my priority is supposed to be skullsplitter
should i be reapplying rend first?
astral yarrow
you have time to reapply rend after?
steep lichen
so it just makes rend tick twice as fast for the duration?
at work so cant dummy it right now
rapid cedar
If I have cleave talented, does it replace slam as a filler in st?
atomic mountain
2 questions:
its better the Crafted Axe or The Crafted Sword? its not the same?
i got a hero track warry helmet from Black Temple. worth maxin this one?
halcyon breach
2 questions:
its better the Crafted Axe or The Crafted Sword? its not the same?...
The crafted weapons are all the same functionally as long as they have strength, only difference is appearance and material cost
As for your helmet, up to you. Upgrading HC items is fine at the very least to 619 since assuming you'll cap Runed crests each week, you'll quickly run out of uses for them
Simming yourself can give you a more definitive answer
astral yarrow
love simming
halcyon breach
love simming
sim this 
grave mulch
halcyon breach
so it just makes rend tick twice as fast for the duration?
Skullsplitter makes all dots finish twice as fast during it's duration, both those applied before and during it
steep lichen
as an extreme example if i have a 100 sec rend duration and hit skullsplitter rend duration is now 50 and ticks twice as fast for 10 seconds
once skullsplitter runs out the rend duration goes to 80 seconds
halcyon breach
Correct
drowsy wind
for M+, would you guys recommend AM or RA?
teal fossil
Am if arms ra if fury
drowsy wind
sounds good ty
weak wave
Don't forget to use nameplates like this für M+. It's almost like cheating.
soft dew
Hahahaha
sacred zodiac
why the ai generated woman thumbnail grift though
im sure the content of the videos is fine if
i am having a stroke
burnt lake
so ive been seeing people running demolish builds in high keys. is it actually a good setup for m+? its simming well for me on 5 boss 2 mins
fringe mauve
why the ai generated woman thumbnail grift though
Cus it sells
astral yarrow
easy attention grab 
left talon
Tetys
rapid cedar
If I have cleave talented does it replace slam in singletarget?
boreal quartz
No
rapid cedar
Tool tip says more dmg
untold pewter
If I have cleave talented does it replace slam in singletarget?
You cleave in st without consuming overpower stacks, otherwise you slam
rapid cedar
Ah yea, no OP stacks
marsh cedar
Hey guys, can you somehow sim pvp crafted gear 606 or 610 in raidbots?
untold pewter
So it's an alternative filler if you will
halcyon breach
Hey guys, can you somehow sim pvp crafted gear 606 or 610 in raidbots?
Yes in top gear, you can add them at the top of the page
marsh cedar
Yes in top gear, you can add them at the top of the page
ty sm
bronze ether
anyone got a WA that shows sudden death procs w/ timer
astral yarrow
anyone got a WA that shows sudden death procs w/ timer
literally do /wa ingame and use their template function to track a buff
naive talon
bros got a video in my ads
to be fair, if you choose to automatically place ads by youtube, it does this itself
magic canopy
to be fair, if you choose to automatically place ads by youtube, it does this it...
it was a joke more then anything, pretty sure most of the creators assume alot of their audiance just adblock everything
naive talon
it was a joke more then anything, pretty sure most of the creators assume alot o...
Youtube itself is a joke
astral yarrow
Where OW vids at
magic canopy
i got a arakara 10 and talking about warriors in rwf comin up
oh overwatch fuck that game
i used to be an overwatch man
deadlock where its gonna be at next
astral yarrow
I dont think ive caught you streaming wow once 
magic canopy
only thing to do late night are keys and i dont have a squad like dorki so im forced to play on OCE ping if i wana late night game
so i end up playing some fps with the bois. or finishing up ffxiv raid
Heroic splits are over though. Mythic soonge
magic canopy
dont skip silkran man
that neck is so fucking busted
have someone snag a 2/8 lockout and just blast it on heroic
might take an hour but its way worth it
cloak is w/e but man that necks uptime is bonkers
anyway sleep
astral yarrow
bro i cba
we had it drop on mythic last night and officers spent almost 30 minutes on that item alone
boreal quartz
Isnt it just godbis for everyone
magic canopy
nope
its so haste heavy if your class doesnt like haste its bad for you
or there are other things like the crit haste neck thats better for hunters
magic canopy
hope i see it in a early vualt
its honestly not crazy, but its just good for haste clases. helps your healer and you get a little vers as a treat
quaint cosmos
how come in m+ we use blunt instruments instead of warbreaker
plucky zenith
do you guys prefer the jugg build or the original one for m+?
boreal quartz
Death to opportunist
untold trench
What does oppertunist do?
wary raft
For arms when tactician resets OP it increases OP damage
I don’t mind it on arms but it’s omega cringe on fury
weak wave
You cleave in st without consuming overpower stacks, otherwise you slam
Why? Slam should always do more dmg in ST than Cleave
thick hamlet
i dont think u ever cleave over slam on st unless it's buffed by ss talent
boreal quartz
What does oppertunist do?
it makes you forgo EP/exe
thick hamlet
or maybe if you're playing demolish in some cases?
boreal quartz
Without tier arms execute plays very very badly
thick hamlet
ep should be a dps increase without tier
boreal quartz
ep should be a dps increase without tier
It is not worth to ms on 2 ep+2OP
Only to refresh rend or dw
thick hamlet
there's a chance that if blizzard wants to change this they'll reduced executes rage refund
boreal quartz
The issue is ms is too weak
weak wave
It is not worth to ms on 2 ep+2OP
Sure it is.
You MS with 2x EP and 2x OP buffs.
2 mio+ MS crits are nice
boreal quartz
The 15% nerf we caught from prepatch fucked it
thick hamlet
this is the main reason execute beats out ms on damage per rage
boreal quartz
Sure it is.
You MS with 2x EP and 2x OP buffs.
2 mio+ MS crits are nice
Run a sim right now with 0 set
It does not send it
It is not correct to do
thick hamlet
it depends
boreal quartz
Ms needs the full trifecta of tier op and EP to be worth
thick hamlet
is ep damage buff multiplicative or additive with op damage buff?
boreal quartz
You only ms for debuffs in pure st
thick hamlet
if multi then it's worth over execute wirh 2 ep and 2 op
weak wave
Run a sim right now with 0 set
I doubt this. Maybe sims are not correct
boreal quartz
I doubt this. Maybe sims are not correct
Remake the apl line for 2 EP ms
Put it at the top
Lose damage
weak wave
What other GCD skill hits for 1 million dmg and more?
thick hamlet
i think we should summon the great @smoky kayak for this one
boreal quartz
Like all of your stupid fillers hit hard af
weak wave
IVE CRIT 1.5 mil OPs
Overpower only hits harder when it's buffed by Tactican. Otherwise it does the dmg of MS
boreal quartz
And you prio buffed op
a LOT higher than MS
Everything im telling you here is in good faith
weak wave
a LOT higher than MS
And when OP is on CD?
boreal quartz
Exe
weak wave
Hmm.
livid cloak
Phil is correct. You only use Ms during execute to refresh rend and deep wounds (without 4p)
thick hamlet
revert 15% ms nerf, make execute refund 20% rage only
boreal quartz
revert 15% ms nerf, make execute refund 20% rage only
If you do that itll EVEN worse
Play**
Cuz you are just fishing for tier more
Cuz you get less 40 rage executes
livid cloak
I don't mind the way exe phase plays right now, but I liked exe exe op ms a lot more
thick hamlet
having ms back in rotation during exe is definitely an improvement over current
weak wave
having ms back in rotation during exe is definitely an improvement over current
But with 4p it will be back?
thick hamlet
exe currently refunds 30%, down to 20% is significant, but not massive
plucky zenith
i think we can bring back ms by making it do 10 million damage
livid cloak
But with 4p it will be back?
Only when you get 4p procs x2
thick hamlet
i think we can bring back ms by making it do 10 million damage
i agree, and bs 10% less damage to compensate
boreal quartz
exe currently refunds 30%, down to 20% is significant, but not massive
Have u tried execute in keys without critical thinking
Why wish that on anyone
livid cloak
It's awful
Playing jugg build to have crit thinking at least feels a lot more fun
Imo
weak wave
Should all be baseline idk man
Well it was for years...
boreal quartz
And it should be again
Zerk also wasnt baseline for a while and they brought it back
sacred zodiac
Ms needs the full trifecta of tier op and EP to be worth
wait i dont ms at all until 4p? kingus fringus
sacred zodiac
wont play arms until i have 4p anyways
livid cloak
Need more healing bosses so ms debuff brings full value
Next week everyone 4p, believe
boreal quartz
Need more healing bosses so ms debuff brings full value
Just bring a ww?
Or something
rare kite
Only for dw n rend
what the actual fuk. not played arms in tww yet
sacred zodiac
dh also gets it and is already brought no
rare kite
arms is so cursed man
livid cloak
Arms actually feels pretty good single target
rare kite
does it feel good, or does it feel strong? like i said not played in tww personally so idk
celest magnet
Is there a meaning to guides telling me to open with Rend when I apply it with TClap (mainly playing m+)? Sorry for noob question 🙂
thick hamlet
does it feel good, or does it feel strong? like i said not played in tww persona...
arms feels great, except for the exe phase thing before 4p
big damage too
livid cloak
does it feel good, or does it feel strong? like i said not played in tww persona...
Both
sacred zodiac
Is there a meaning to guides telling me to open with Rend when I apply it with T...
its fine dont worry about it
boreal quartz
Is there a meaning to guides telling me to open with Rend when I apply it with T...
Tc does aoe rend
livid cloak
The gameplay feels good. Even execute feels strong. It's just weird not slapping ms on cd
boreal quartz
It's correct to clap for rend in keys
thick hamlet
gotta clap
weak wave
Is there a meaning to guides telling me to open with Rend when I apply it with T...
Rend does minimal more Initial dmg on ST
celest magnet
cba having 2 keybinds for the same thing. TClap it is! thanks!
burnt lake
so ive been seeing people running demolish builds in high keys. is it actually a good setup for m+? its simming well for me on 5 boss 2 mins
boreal quartz
so ive been seeing people running demolish builds in high keys. is it actually a...
Strong for aoe yep
modest bone
hello, i have a question about stats, i prioritised haste bc i tought it would match well with the slayer and BS, but i just saw on icy veins that crit should be main stat
wanton sierra
hi fellow arms, did we got nerfed
balmy kindle
so ive been seeing people running demolish builds in high keys. is it actually a...
Been running Colo on my low pug keys and it works quite well
rotund mist
how does arms feel in m+? better than fury?
balmy kindle
I think you can play what you like, but I think for m+ fury is still ahead, but arms is not that far off either
modest bone
Been running Colo on my low pug keys and it works quite well
how much dps on average at the end of the dungeon ?
balmy kindle
I mean it's a pug so it's going to depend on the party, been doing mostly 2s ( 603 now), but it is realistic to expect 800k-900k.
For me the advantage with Colo is that you have a ton of on demand aoe and shockwave is on a very short cd as well for those orbs
modest bone
I mean it's a pug so it's going to depend on the party, been doing mostly 2s ( 6...
damn i was around that last week too, i'm at 750 now with 605 ilvl...
balmy kindle
Lol don't pay attention to the DPS numbers, like I said it depends on how fast your party goes
Some specs like ret eg are cleave monsters but their ST is pretty laughable
balmy kindle
damn i was around that last week too, i'm at 750 now with 605 ilvl...
Also if you haven't, craft the heroic weapon, huge damage boost
atomic mountain
damn i was around that last week too, i'm at 750 now with 605 ilvl...
Also depends on other buffes. If you have an enh. Shaman in group it loos much different for you then a mage
I do ST between 500 and 900 at the same boss. And thats cause of proc luck and group comp
balmy kindle
Skyfury is mad
atomic mountain
Mby you also have wrong stats and have to handle with this
fresh spire
we love sky fury
glacial moat
Me when skyfury: yes cool dope
Me when no skyfury: no gross ew
modest bone
Also if you haven't, craft the heroic weapon, huge damage boost
i was thinking of crafting the bracers
i have a 610 hero weap
balmy kindle
i have a 610 hero weap
Then you do you, was assuming you might be running around with 593
neon niche
mortal rivet
PvP bracers are a great craft for embellishments
modest bone
Then you do you, was assuming you might be running around with 593 <:keks:936231...
haha no i was lucky on that :p
balmy kindle
Isn't BFA worse than SL though arguably? Outside of the first raid it was pretty meh for other contents.
Some of the worst m+ designs as well
Ghunn was a great boss though
safe comet
how does arms feel in m+? better than fury?
I swapped to Arms a week ago, and I enjoy it much more in M+. Shorter CDs, more consistent aoe. But fury burst aoe is still cracked
Also getting a 2.5mil cleave crit on a pack makes my monkey brain happy
nova marsh
Isn't BFA worse than SL though arguably? Outside of the first raid it was pretty...
Bfa didn't have content droughts
That's so much of why s1 and 2 were awful
balmy kindle
Bfa didn't have content droughts
You are not wrong, I quit faster during SL ( after aotc nanthria) cause there was no content
nova marsh
Well I should say bfa didn't have the literal longest .0 patch in wows history
balmy kindle
The renown thing was pretty bad as well.. having to pick between fairy warrior or bastion
nova marsh
Also
Playing alliance past about 1-2 months in wasn't like pulling teeth because over half the groups were just ads
That shit was awful
balmy kindle
Wow didn't knew SL got that bad eh
nova marsh
Shadowlands s2 and s3 alliance is why we have cross faction premades now
balmy kindle
Shadowlands s2 and s3 alliance is why we have cross faction premades now
Oh yeah cross faction and realm premades is poggers for me since I play on oceanic
astral yarrow
I think the main reason was the lack of story reason for factions being at war. Also cross realm mythic opening up after hall of fame filled up but alliance taking 4 months to do so
nova marsh
But also because alliance pugging was in a dire stat
Even during peaks the amount of groups were quite low from my experience
balmy kindle
In oceanic it's like 80% alliance though
nova marsh
I don't play with oce because of lag
balmy kindle
Frostmourne alone is home to like a shit ton of alliance
nova marsh
Did it in one key. That was not fun
balmy kindle
No choice when my region is SEA, decent ping on US / EU though
nova marsh
That's so weird cuz the instant I'm paired with an oce player my ping shits the bed
granted it's not like I have good internet so it's not a shocker
frigid cipher
Thats why i typically dont want to play with oce players. Not that they're bad i just dont want either me or them dealing with super high ping
balmy kindle
Thats why i typically dont want to play with oce players. Not that they're bad i...
No offense taken, outside of Singapore, Malaysia and the east Asian countries, fast internet is rare
nova marsh
Thats why i typically dont want to play with oce players. Not that they're bad i...
Some of them are also bad
balmy kindle
Some of them are also bad
Well in my personal experience oceanic is best enjoyed with sweaty southeast Asians or chinese
If u like tryharding
balmy kindle
Well if you invite oceanic there's a good chance it's a chatty Aussie guy smoking a blunt ( I kid you not)
Then there's this chance where it's a silent Chinese guy using speech macros
balmy kindle
God the Chinese spam in trade chat
I used to think wow was bad, then I tried lost ark
Let's just say wow boosting is optional, in lost ark it was mandatory and more efficient to progress that way
nova marsh
Well yeah cuz wasn't it pay to win
thick hamlet
fellas
Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg trinket seems wildly oversimming for me
i'm starting to think it's because the sim can somehow make 100% best uptime on the right stacks etc
my question is how to realistically get the best outcome in real gameplay
neon niche
my question is how to realistically get the best outcome in real gameplay
u want to sim by a robot but not by a robot
tender glen
quaint otter
where vers
rookie
narrow flax
shit
quaint otter
0 is avoidance
tribal sedge
Question: when outside of CDs when do we use SKS?
boreal quartz
on cd
tribal sedge
Thanks! I didn't know if we had to hold it for any combination of abilities like CS or roar
livid cloak
man. Colossus with MBG sims 350k higher than jugg slayer on 5t 2 mins for me. But it's 185k less st
i think i keep the ST dam with jugg slayer
verbal pivot
guys is this good for Arms?
livid cloak
Sim it
near kelp
Quick question lads
Do you guys play with skullsplitter, massacre or sudden death?
Cuz i feel like battlelord or exhilirating blows should be better in m+ no?
fathom hedge
Do you guys play with skullsplitter, massacre or sudden death?
Skull splitter always. Sudden death & massacre for raid bosses.
livid cloak
The jugg build doesn't take sks
Sudden death and massacre can do well in keys
But you gotta go all in on execute and take critical thinking and juggernaut
fringe moon
Cuz i feel like battlelord or exhilirating blows should be better in m+ no?
they would be better if MS didn't hit like a wet noodle on it's own
junior phoenix
Evening, I'm kind of mix with raiding and M+, so I'm thinking should I go 2x Lining or Darkmoon with Writhing 🤔 Although I have already crafted wrist and cloak with Linings, was wondering if the other embellishment(s) are better
Nvm, gonna try sim them
fringe moon
Evening, I'm kind of mix with raiding and M+, so I'm thinking should I go 2x Lin...
they're going to be very similar. If it's easy for you to get a mythic weapon, then I'd just hold off. You're going to have more than enough sparks/crests to craft everything you want anyways.
also, if you plan to swap between arms and fury, then probably better to get the crafted 2h so you can get discounted upgrades for your existing 2h
boreal quartz
@sacred zodiac 
imitation was punished with death
sacred zodiac
excellent
verbal pivot
And when should i press skullspitter on aoe ? or just on prioritizing targets
with sweeping strikes
nova marsh
And when should i press skullspitter on aoe ? or just on prioritizing targets
In aoe it's a pretty small optimization.
In st it's a good gain but my understanding is normal aoe prio of rend uptime -cleave- ms- exe comes first
glacial moat
Probably depends on the target count honestly
2-3? Sks all day. Big pack? Way less important
nova marsh
Well yeah
rapid cedar
holey shiet, how many keybindings to you you guys need
jeez
my weakaura is filling my screen
outer quest
How much dps do you lose if you don’t take SKS
nova marsh
In what context?
outer quest
Like not taking the talent at all 😅
safe comet
wait guys i just got double duskthread, it isn't stacking
Mine is but I had to take both pieces off and put them back on
Now I get 1500+ vers from both combined on the buff
nova marsh
Like not taking the talent at all 😅
For st? Raid? Keys?
The more st focused the bigger the loss really
surreal whale
Know this is a pve channel but have a question about exhilarating blows related to pvp. In pvp skill damage is adjusted from pve, MS hits around roughly 200k+ harder (especially when 30% buff isn’t proc’d) than OP after factoring in buffs they both give too. How good is exhilarating blows as a talent in general?
quaint otter
guys is this good for Arms?
Looks alright
I got a 15k stamina trinket from the chest :/
verbal pivot
I got a 15k stamina trinket from the chest :/
isn't it linked to spec?
outer quest
The more st focused the bigger the loss really
Thanks, I was more talking about PvP it seems like people aren’t taking it this season and I was wondering why
silver shoal
Might've missed this earlier, why is liquid running arms wars in the rwf. Better than fury?
glacial moat
They're on princess right now, arms does way better single target
They had 3 fury warriors for the ovinax kill due to the burst AOE power
dire hinge
isn't it linked to spec?
that was a dps trinket back in the day
the stamina trinket comes with a passive that reduces your threat generation lmao
glacial moat
Good ol times when threat management was a serious consideration
Omen threat meter. My beloved.
novel wharf
silver shoal
They're on princess right now, arms does way better single target
Thank you!
leaden vine
is there a certain amount of mastery/crit/haste i need ideally
leaden oracle
nah just sim your upgrades you dont have to concern yourself with the actual number
arctic axle
guys has any1 noticed something weird about arms' ignore pain? tooltip says 1.4mil (supposed to be 30% of hp) but i only get about 350k,even with colossus talents goes up to 390k
only if u manage to use it again before it drops it stack
boreal quartz
guys has any1 noticed something weird about arms' ignore pain? tooltip says 1.4m...
It's total cap is 1.4 mil
So yeah IP sucks rn
arctic axle
would be fine ,need to use 5 back to back to stack it to max,but u only get 1sec window before it drops,or worse if its broken
hollow wave
Yea, I love arms, but defensively fury is stupidly better
manic stirrup
arms is super tanky too
minor gust
teehee
hollow wave
we have 5% avoid, fury have 10% less damage taken, which is huge against all types of dmg
minor gust
Arms is still really tanky just not as passively tanky as fury is
Arms requires you to actually use your buttons like SR and Dstance
hollow wave
I mean, fury also have those buttons
minor gust
correct
teal fossil
There’s really no argument that fury is tankier
minor gust
did I say arms was tankier?
hollow wave
But at least back in DF, arms had the advantage of stacking IP, but now IP is a joke
manic stirrup
yeah fury is obviously tankier but arms isnt squishy
hazy flower
It wasnt an advantage, it was making up for lack of stam and warpaint against st hits
Aoe stuff wasnt deadly enough at least in df to actually struggle against as either arms or fury
glacial moat
It is if you don't use dstance I think. I think both arms and fury are low on the "survival" lists in raid.
But I haven't checked in a bit
nova marsh
Garbage content
hard kernel
Madness of the Betrayer from BT any decent for us?
worldly kernel
If you have nothing it’s better than nothing
Also managed to snag a hero track Dawnbreaker ring last night HUGE
hazy flower
what boss is this
leaden vine
is there any reason to do delves for vault after having 4pc hero tier alr
im too lazy for this shit
boreal quartz
what boss is this
blade lady
boreal quartz
Last Sikran fight:
MS max crit: 2.7 mio
Exe: 1.9 mio
OP: 1.5 mio
so
i know they hit for a lot 🤷♂️
boreal quartz
So not using MS in Execute phase is not a good idea no matter what sims say
the sim is right idk what to tell you
if you reject the best way to prove something like this theres no point talking
astral yarrow
Bro did the math
mortal rivet
Warbreaker means you lose out on prio damage
boreal quartz
which of these for m+
other one
astral talon
hmm
fair enough
30% more dmg for just cast is weird imo to take over wb
but i havent played in ages
sage bison
boreal quartz
30% more dmg for just cast is weird imo to take over wb
IFTK buff matches cs
its longer haste
and wb is more a thing to burst with and arms doesnt burst
frigid cipher
I mean i will say, looking at MS and exe tooltip damage.
MS does a lot more than full jugg execute with just op and ep.
Execute refunds 12 rage now? And might have a bit more crit chance/damage in the tree
Its not really immediately obvious MS is worse
remote ledge
whats up with that new m+ build, where can i read abt it pls
sage bison
@astral talon just some food for thought. rank 1 m+ arms warrior runs
latent moss
gellyfisk
minor gust
gellyfisk jump scare
minor gust
sage bison
ornate mountain
shadow ibex
Both specs work well enough
wanton sierra
damn i dropped mad queen trink from weekly
but its a cast x;x
bloodmallet says it our seccond best
boreal quartz
it is insane
wanton sierra
we press it to kill or... to get 60 sec cdr
loud wadi
damn i dropped mad queen trink from weekly
largo
wanton sierra
use it when executte phase?
quartz cedar
Good afternoon, Skyhold!
thorn pelican
demolish to immune the pull on last boss poggers
quartz cedar
question, are there certain circumstances where authority of the depths outshines authority of radiant power? Wowhead's guide says depths should be the first choice, but ive never seen it come out on top in sims.
cobalt sinew
where can i see stuff for mage tower
loud wadi
trust the sims
subtle ravine
What is the primary cause of Colossus to be behind Slayer on Arms ST? I really like Colossus as a concept and feel like it fits Arms better than Slayer, but don't want to int my comparative damage to the Furys in my guild any more than I am already by playing Arms.
manic stirrup
<@291636646225379328> just some food for thought. rank 1 m+ arms warrior runs <:...
its a bad talent
the st you lose is egregious
manic stirrup
What is the primary cause of Colossus to be behind Slayer on Arms ST? I really l...
slayer arms is great in the raid youre not inting your damage at all compared to fury
i dont know why colossus sucks in st specifically
i think the executes you get from slayer is too good with el
ep
if i had to guess
minor gust
Think its more colossus is all about MS but MS fucking blows right now
latent moss
i dont know why colossus sucks in st specifically
ms doesnt hit for shit
and rage is bad
15% baseline + 5% from colossu talent nerfs
buried it
it went from critting like demolish 3rd hit
to execute
cobalt sinew
would it be any better or worse if demo replaced cs/wb
dire hinge
im not smart enough to do the maths for all that, but from an armchair perspective: "that'd be spiffy"
dunno how much it'd fix persay, but it'd make in-game sense since that's all warbreaker is doing "big hit to sunder things"
manic stirrup
true
subtle ravine
Looking over Colossus, I'm also seeing that some of the power budget in the talents are also being taken up by defensive abilities and abilities better outside Raid (Shockwave node in particular), while Slayer has essentially only offensive talents and talents that have no lack of use in Raid.
So I've seen pre-patch thrown around a lot here. Is this pre-release or did they nerf Mortal Strike since the expac launched?
minor gust
every hero talent tree has a utillity node
its not unique to colossus
Slayer has healing from SD
and charge/leap stuff
cobalt sinew
i miss the old blademaster torment
visual fern
30% more dmg for just cast is weird imo to take over wb
3s more haste
From IFTK
Per CS cast
That's big
10/30s vs 13/30s
astral talon
i dunno man
it makes sense
but i still feel warbreaker is more value
feelcraft
you know how it is 😄
proven trellis
Should I be holding any CDs while playing arms to sync up with others?
minor gust
he played colossus
Gelly is cookin in this 11 Ara
magic canopy
Gelly is cookin in this 11 Ara
minor gust
LMAO
nimble gulch
Murlok io says that only 25 of top 50 arms m+ players use cleave, can this be true? Cleave seems unskippable for me in M+
magic canopy
i did not make this i stole it from like S3 or 4
minor gust
whoever did its glorious
tranquil sundial
warbreaker seems so much superior to blunt so far for me in m+
its criminal it isnt recommended
sacred zodiac
@silk spade do i?
silk spade
i have a bunch of arms macros with startattack
from literal years ago
am i trolling
boreal quartz
<@235857431492558848> do i?
like it consistently
stops my melee swing
until i rightclik
shadow ibex
oh no
boreal quartz
ye
shadow ibex
boreal quartz
its so dogshit awful man
boreal quartz
cant recommend
tranquil sundial
gelly can
boreal quartz
do you have toys macroed anywhere
Demolish does
shadow ibex
but idk if i have the strength
tranquil sundial
nexus prince looks v fun
boreal quartz
i might send it in our heroic clear
no
tranquil sundial
2 arms 
boreal quartz
like i knew it was bad
but playing it more in keys
channelled new hatred
though on prot in raid its fun
boreal quartz
oh i do
shadow ibex
ppl had to get that hands on
shadow ibex
now we can only wait for blizz to realize their shit does indeed stink
shadow ibex
yea its just, youre trying to find these moments of fun DESPITE the spec
it feels like its working against you
but we love arms and we make it work
minor gust
give arms fury bladestorm ty
fossil thistle
Anyone know how to get rid of this debuff?
lean geode
Any mythic rashananers wanna leak the talents? Is it just single target spec with cleave or are you full boss dam enjoying?
fossil thistle
ST
manic stirrup
Any mythic rashananers wanna leak the talents? Is it just single target spec wit...
pure st talents
near kelp
So i saw somebody say something about warbreaker and colossus
Is it a thing or is that dude just a god
trim arrow
Anyone know how to get rid of this debuff?
could just play tank
nova marsh
Anyone know how to get rid of this debuff?
Delete your character
And make one of evrey other class
And gear whatever's meta
nova marsh
That's a fate worse then death