arms

[drifting apex]

So, the best embelish are still the cloak and the bracers with versatility? or we have to craft something else?

[neon niche]

the best is to sim ur character always as there is no default choice

[manic stirrup]

2h with ascendence should be your craft this week

with mythic crests

[drifting apex]

ascendance fade in m+ no?

[manic stirrup]

its not great if your with a slow tank/group but still has value on bosses

2h craft is just so good

saves crests a ton of flightstones and is a massive upgrade

even with poor ascendence value

can remove the embellishment later and get the other ones later if you want

[sharp tendon]

Na i take vers

Crest is easy to farm

[drifting apex]

Hmmm so the better choice is to get the 90 gold things and craft the 636 weapon?

[sharp tendon]

Just get double vers its like same dmg as wpn emb and easier to maintain also in m+

I have hero wpn alrdy crit haste from bt chest

[fringe moon]

what's the average uptime on dusk/dawn?

because from initial sims, I'd need a 90% uptime for it to be better than elemental focus lens

[fossil thistle]

Depends if you’re good at standing in bad, or good at avoiding and using ignore pain

I’ve seen people with 80-87% uptime

[slow saddle]

in 10s ?

i did the choco route

[fossil thistle]

Well probably not if the boss breathes in your direction and you plummet to 5% Hp with DR up, probably not as good

“Ughhh fury war getting a nerf omg I’m going to be so bad now”

[shadow ibex]

colossus exe rage is mega cringe

[white anvil]

what are yall running in keys

im a mega raid pumper but feeling weaker in these keys

ig cause they are low

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715

[white anvil]

oh, they updated it

yeah i am running primarily juggernaut m+

maybe thats the issue in lower keys

[fossil thistle]

Tbh I’ve done keys with just picking up cleave and t clap from raid spec (by accident) and still did 1.03m overall, which felt fine I guess

[drifting apex]

so vers embellish but what ever the slot? or cloak and bracers is opti?

[white anvil]

what keys have you guys found easiest? thus far it is anything except grim batol and necrotic wake, for me

[nova marsh]

Siege is honestly kinda free if evreyone knows the last noss

Grim Batol I've honestly only found rough cuz of those stupid drakes and the last boss

[white anvil]

yeah exactly

the last boss is a doozy

[nova marsh]

The last boss needs a rework to the tentacle telegraphs

I just can't read them

Btw

Did they patch the skip?

For siege?

[white anvil]

not sure

[nova marsh]

I've done it twice and noone did it
Granted it was day 1

And I'm pretty sure the skip at the start of mists was patched

That one pack near the pool

[white anvil]

oh shit

i do know that one

rip

[nova marsh]

Had a hunter ice trap it

It still aggroed me

Which I've just never had happen before

[fossil thistle]

Am I correct in reading that with 4p tier, 2x OP > 2x execute during 35% rotation?

[light dirge]

hey guys i didnt notice this but the crafted weapons have diff damage values?

im seeing the sword sim highest for me currently ?

its a bit confusing why

[icy magnet]

so we basically spam execute without MS in execute phase? :X

[vapid bay]

hello, can someone be kind enough to tell me how an aoe opener looks like? i dont understand when to CS, SS etc

[latent moss]

without 4p no

only to refresh rend and dw

with 4p at 2 stacks of executioners precision and 2x 4p stacks

[icy magnet]

ohh thanks, still don't have 4p XD

[broken arrow]

They should all have the same dps, just different range of damage with auto attacks.

[smoky kayak]

only str & dps matters

[shadow ibex]

MS conditionals lookin like a shopping list

[frigid cipher]

And I’m sure even with all that it’s only a small increase to press it

[shadow ibex]

yea thats the best part

its not like it becomes mega powerful

just finally worth the damage per execution time

no pun

[frigid cipher]

Just absolutely not worth to press then an extra 10% just barely makes it sneak ahead

Very cool

[white anvil]

i feel like warrior and monk are two of the best classes for this new affix lol

love lining up my shockwave to go bowling

[latent moss]

rumbling earth

goes so hard

[fresh spire]

Shockwave with extra radius goes hard

[latent moss]

on affix

[fresh spire]

[broken arrow]

Not gonna lie, as a newbie warrior player, spamming execute 15 times in a row is a zen-like experience

[latent moss]

great minds think alike

[fresh spire]

Shockwave owns

[latent moss]

nooo warrior cc sucks!!!

[white anvil]

yeah, rogue rotation in execute: oh my god.. i forgot to pop thistle tea and shadow blades before secret technique .. my parse :( | warriors: execute, execute, execute, execute, skullsplitter, execute, ...

[shadow ibex]

rogues in black temple gouging every demolish cast

[latent moss]

if u forget to pop tea before sec tec

idk

[shadow ibex]

actual toxic

[latent moss]

u deserve it

[white anvil]

come on man u stacking danse in shadow dance sometimes u forget your dash of tea

happens to the best of us

[light dirge]

thanks !

[white anvil]

but back to the point ... execute, execute, execute, ...

[shadow ibex]

yea but

i dont have to waste globals on sweeping spinning

[latent moss]

not really but go on

[proper iron]

am i dumb if i choose a 616 weapon over 616 tierhead?

[formal verge]

Is that heroic , correct?

Heroic tier head, has more value rn. Especially if you can get any curio or token for 4 set this week.

Can farm a weapon easily

[astral talon]

what was arms opener?

someone sent some screenshot recently

[proper iron]

imo Tier is MUCH MUCH easier to get than weapon

[honest portal]

wich build you guys are using in m+?

[shadow ibex]

from bt chest

fuck it we ball

[severe palm]

You can farm weapon from dungeons , Tier are weekly limited source

But , it's better if you sim it , because you might have trash weapon idk

[soft dew]

Playing arms on Rasha'nan is pretty fun 😮

Executing so much

[random ibex]

what are people using their sparks on?

[latent moss]

weaps are farmable

tier isnt

[sturdy smelt]

does a crafted 2hander not remove the need for crests on a second 2 hander? like I have a 619 crafted but still need crests to upgrade a second weapon

[soft dew]

I crafted wrists and cloak

[formal verge]

Tier you either get lucky in a drop in raid or wait two weeks to convert via catalyst . Can farm weps all day any day np

[astral talon]

is crafted weapon our bis for whole tier?

[junior phoenix]

I crafted cloak and wrist aswell, gotta sim which item I use heroic crest (619)

[hazy flower]

kinda

it's rly good embel

and massive weapon dps upgrade

that craft alone gave me 85k dps today

[dire hinge]

i made a 619 2H and other 2Hs immediately got a crest removal on that character, up to that ilvl.
That might be a bug, or some sort of other issue, but yes, it should.

[hazy flower]

in absolute bis x2 linings are better

[sturdy smelt]

Ok thats what i remember from DF as well... maybe a bug for me

ty

[dire hinge]

this might sound silly, but you equipped it, right?

[sturdy smelt]

yes hahah

[dire hinge]

figured, but worth the check 😂

[sullen plover]

Same thing happened to me

619 2h with a writhing band slot, huge dps increase

[dire hinge]

and you were unable to upgrade other 2Hs afterwards?

[livid cloak]

Is radiant gonna be better for keys than depths?

Boss dam may be worth keeping depths idk

[sullen plover]

Yes

I’ve kept depths though. I care more for prog raid, m+ dps is big chillin’

[livid cloak]

I usually just pug aotc and that's it then do keys

So I may swap after idk

[astral talon]

Ok so 639 m+ weapon would be superior?

Or raid

[sullen plover]

Slap radiant after AOTC imo

[hazy flower]

in absolute bis yeah iirc

[livid cloak]

Yeah kinda what I'm thinkin

[hazy flower]

if you had x2 crit linings with good uptime

but if you're progging raid then weapon dps upgrade is quite huge and embel is rly good on its own

[ornate mountain]

636?

[hazy flower]

yes

[ornate mountain]

You already spammed enough keys for the gilded crest?

[fading isle]

I was thinking of doing the 619

I can't get invited to any key

[hazy flower]

I crafted the weapon about 5 hours ago so yeah

we wasted a bit time in shit keys like stonevault or nw though

[zinc rampart]

so if I want to recraft from 619 to 636, will it keep the embellishment? or will I need to craft that on again

[hazy flower]

if its same item, it will

[zinc rampart]

Ye it would be the sword to recraft later

[ornate mountain]

Yeah p sure you just craft 619 then just recraft

When you have the crests

[zinc rampart]

That's what I was about to use haha

[ornate mountain]

How much is the belishment

[astral talon]

What I asked is whether 636 crafted is better than 639 raid/m+, not if I can get temporary 619 tho

[sage igloo]

got this from vault didn't get to try it in raids yet

[dire hinge]

ooo with the leech too

[dire hinge]

the highest sims we've been able to accomplish for arms use a 636 crafted weapon w/ embelishment, so it's perfectly fine to use.
That said, 2x Duskweave with a 639 Raid/m+ weapon performs very similarly. The different could be "can you get your hands on a 639 weapon?", which is somewhat RNG.

[cloud gyro]

does mandate scale off something in our kit?

sometimes it does 5-6mil nocrit

base is 3.5

[dire hinge]

it shouldn't, trinkets are usually coded specifically to not interact with things like damage amps (colossus smash, etc)

[cloud gyro]

yeah thats what i thought, but idk how else it would randomly deal more

[dire hinge]

i dont have an answer on that one, unfortunately. Haven't kept up to speed with it

[cloud gyro]

pretty sure its 'overwhelmed'

and probably a few other things

[astral talon]

Thanks habibi

[manic arrow]

Hi someon know what is tha cap Crit/haste for mm+ ?

[ornate mountain]

which embelishment

is the good one

[sharp tendon]

did you guys play normal m+ build or the colos one ? or juggernaut ?

did a lvl 5 grim with demo build got 800k overal not sure if that is good for 605 il +

[cloud gyro]

after testing it does indeed get buffed by overwhelmed

this was my last dungeon with a 619 version (3.6mil base damage)

so its probably undersimming heavily

[chrome lichen]

is there only 4 keys to do now?

[cloud gyro]

overwhelmed alone should only bring it to 4.0 - 4.1 mil

prob dh buff is applied aswell

so it also scales off colossus smash

XD

[dire hinge]

dont worry about secondary stat's "caps", it's an outdated way of handling stats. Just run your character through Raidbots and it'll do real math to tell if you the stats are worth taking or not

[cloud gyro]

this trinket is SUPER undersimming due to api usage and its still the best trinket

@smoky kayak

[sacred zodiac]

whats it doing wrong

[cloud gyro]

using before colossus smash and overwhelmed stacks

and as far as i can see, not caring about cs aswell

[smoky kayak]

WHAT'S THAT?

[cloud gyro]

so the active is undersimming by 12% from overwhelmed and (sometimes) 30% from cs

XD

this trinket is completely broken

[sacred zodiac]

it wont get affected by cs

[quaint otter]

i guess its about mandate

[cloud gyro]

it does man go check

[quaint otter]

it doesnt

[boreal quartz]

How much testing did you do

[quaint otter]

cs only affects ur abilities

[smoky kayak]

mad queens?

i'ts not undersimming

[boreal quartz]

Shouldnt ** i dont know

[quaint otter]

yes

[cloud gyro]

yes

mad queens

[smoky kayak]

it does benefit from wrecked/voerwhelm in sims

and CS is whitelisted

[cloud gyro]

wdym its whitelisted

[smoky kayak]

it only affects certain spells

[cloud gyro]

yes it should only do that

but it also works on the trinket

[quaint otter]

it doesnt

[cloud gyro]

did you try

[quaint otter]

i bet only hunters/dh passive work

[cloud gyro]

go try once and then get back to me

[quaint otter]

how do u check it?

[cloud gyro]

use once with and once without

[smoky kayak]

why don't you just post some logs

[cloud gyro]

and then 3 more times

[quaint otter]

the tooltip is just wrong

[smoky kayak]

instead of acting so condescending?

[quaint otter]

i do 13kk crits with it on my monk

no cs and stuff

[smoky kayak]

I mena you might even be right

but your attitude stinks

[marsh falcon]

he has your attention he wants to milk taht shit

[smoky kayak]

well i'm in a key, so he's about to lose it

[boreal quartz]

@woven wasp sniffa

[sacred zodiac]

schnupfer

[cloud gyro]

i know how its supposed to work

and i just spent 20 minutes testing

[smoky kayak]

then show us

[cloud gyro]

cause it was doing way more in some situations for me

[quaint otter]

🙂

[smoky kayak]

instead of saying "go try it and get back to to me

[quaint otter]

post a log ?

[cloud gyro]

I dont have logs i got it from last boss

[quaint otter]

so do one now :/

[hexed saddle]

u can log things that arent in raid

[marsh falcon]

💀

[smoky kayak]

you can fucking ss

[hexed saddle]

like a target dummy for example

[cloud gyro]

I did already sent a screenshot

[quaint otter]

its okay

[marsh falcon]

thats some damage

[quaint otter]

quite some

[sacred zodiac]

the mixed russian with english is very king details implementation

[quaint otter]

i would be glad to have it on my hunter alt

but i got 3 pairs of pants today

[cloud gyro]

i just wanted to let u know that its bugged and undersimming

im not gonna spend time setting up logs

someone who cares more abt that can do it

[quaint otter]

🤷‍♀️

[sacred zodiac]

my king you need to actually provide proof that it is undersimming

[cloud gyro]

im good man

[halcyon breach]

My empirical evidence proves it's right (I refuse to share any info explicitly showing it actually working)

[smoky kayak]

lliterlaly just show me lol

[cloud gyro]

what do u want to see

[smoky kayak]

damage with and without CS

[cloud gyro]

didnt i already send that

[hexed saddle]

no

[cloud gyro]

i can go login

[quaint otter]

bruh

[cloud gyro]

either way its gonna get fixed so who cares

[sacred zodiac]

fixed by whom

[cloud gyro]

not me

[marsh falcon]

stop talking to this guy

[sacred zodiac]

yeah the guy who can is asking you for a tiny bit of help

[cloud gyro]

nothing

[quaint otter]

can u explain why its broken :/

did u read the tooltip?

it scales up as target has lower hp

[cloud gyro]

yeah that might be a factor too

im waiting cd

[halcyon breach]

man..

[smoky kayak]

he said its undersimming b ecause it's benefiting from Overwhelm and CS - the overwhelm part is correct and is already implemented

[cloud gyro]

it does scale off overwhelm tho

[sacred zodiac]

hello banezi when will you unveil the 3% fury buff?

[smoky kayak]

yes I know, and wrecked, that works in sims

[cloud gyro]

idk what wrecked is

[halcyon breach]

the 6th buff has just hit Fury

[sacred zodiac]

What the fuck

[smoky kayak]

demolish debuff

[halcyon breach]

your auto attacks are now affected by the aura

[white anvil]

oh no, arms is the top dps without a specific percentile inputted in heroic

should of nerfed us more

[halcyon breach]

(this is in fact a nerf right now)

[sacred zodiac]

2000% auto attack damage increase

[white anvil]

atleast in 90th percentile enhancement and even fury supplant it

[cloud gyro]

ye mb it was only overwhelmed, the 30% extra was from missing dummy hp

dumb mistake

XD

[white anvil]

and in norm, if blizzard cares, sub rogue is like giga pumping. i guess due to the aoe along with their blade flurry mechanic

[cloud gyro]

i saw one thing worked so i jumped conclusions

[marsh falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-mewing-sigma-mew-mewing-chad-gif-17710863300302979354

[quaint otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1123930554761482240/1270637008628219977/4x-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[bronze wharf]

could anyone explain to me what does that explanation precisely means? what three secondary stats it is about.

[quaint otter]

blade flurry is pirate stuff no?

outlaw i mean

[halcyon breach]

This potion gives you the secondary stats based on what flask you already have active. If you have a haste flask active, you get crit, mastery and versatility from the Tempered Potion

However if you have Alchemical Chaos, you get all four stats from the tempered potion, on top of the stats already given by Alchemical Chaos

[sacred zodiac]

what flask and potion do i need to drink to have a nice tea party with my buddy Banezi?

[bronze wharf]

Ohh okay, now I get it. Thanks

[halcyon breach]

As an example

[bronze wharf]

I was wondering why do we play alchemical chaos instead of pure stat, now it makes sense.

[halcyon breach]

Alchemical is also just more pure stat than a normal flask, albeit with a loss of 2 other stats

So in some combinations for some specs, it'll temporarily be bad, but for most it's a gain

And is made up for by the tempered potion

[halcyon breach]

A combination of Earl Gray potion and a decorated flask!!

[bronze wharf]

Yeah but by looking at the numbers I supposed the differnece to normal stat would be neglible (~ ring enchant) but would give the effect of the RNG. \

[sacred zodiac]

Wtf?

[halcyon breach]

Very inexpensive combination of goodies

[halcyon breach]

You could indeed just guarantee you get the exact stat you always want, which some specs (probably) do

Arms/Fury however can work with all stats, and they're all fairly evenly distributed in terms of value, so it's not much of an issue if you lose some but gain overall more of another single stat

[bronze wharf]

Yeah it makes sense, thanks.

[wispy furnace]

where do I find the correct rotation of warrior fury ?

[halcyon breach]

On Wowhead/Maxroll

Also this is Arms, would ask in #fury for any other questions

[robust raven]

yo guys how important are stat prios? im about to plan out my crafted items, but i cant decide to pio arms or furys preferred stats. been playing fury for the past 2 weeks but arms is my real love so at some point i assume i will return

[halcyon breach]

You can craft haste/mast items and you'll be fine for both specs

[robust raven]

yea thats what im leaning towards

[halcyon breach]

For any extreme deficiencies, you can otherwise sim on raidbots top gear and fill out with a jewelry piece or two

[robust raven]

i just saw that arms #1 is crit while fury wants that the least

[halcyon breach]

Eh, while it's nr.1 for one and the lowest for the other, it's still good for both specs

And as I mentioned right above your question almost, both specs can work with all stats

The stats on one crafted item will not make or break anything if it's slightly inefficient for one spec

[robust raven]

okay makes sense ty. im in a weird place where i want to minmax but also want to be able to swap between specs if im not having fun so i guess im willing to give up on a few %

[sacred zodiac]

we'r ecurrently in the part of the patch where we just go for ilvl anyways

[halcyon breach]

I'm all for min/maxing, but there are just things that's not worth the hassle

[robust raven]

yea

[white anvil]

Sub gets flurry as well now

Hero talent, trickster

[fleet sinew]

https://i.imgur.com/er4Z7gK.png
just normal, but this was my first season as arms
(ps whoever shitted on hekili was wrong)

[sacred zodiac]

king

[quaint otter]

sheesh...

[small raven]

In regards to Hekili, there will always be stigma around it. It's not you playing, you're just pressing what you're told to press without putting in the effort that most people are.

[tranquil sundial]

line 6 from execute rotation prio list confuses me

do you press MS after every 2 executes or do you keep pressing execute till you also have 2 OP stacks

then MS

[sharp tendon]

Its 4 piece

Lethal blows

[tranquil sundial]

oh frick I didn't even notice

so only when you have 2 tier set buffs and 2 EP?

and only then

[fleet sinew]

yep

[manic stirrup]

crit being number 1 for arms certainly wasnt true for me before 4p

i havent simmed after 4p yet bc ive been a bit busy

but will do so in like 20 mins

[sacred zodiac]

i think you are lying about having 4p

[manic stirrup]

snitch

[chilly parcel]

What ilvl? 4p tier?

[subtle ravine]

Other than an Action Bar replacement and Spell Reflect Alert, what Weakauras do you guys use? I've been trying to find some that have additional cues on major rotational abilities like Rend uptime, Skullsplitter, and Sweeping Strikes, but haven't found one I like yet.

[river light]

does anyone have experience with blessed weapon grip on weapon? does it have good uptime? looking for something for m+ mainly

[dire hinge]

i'd recommend using a whole WeakAura "pack", which usually contains all of these. If you go to wago.io and search for "arms rotation", then sort by "installs", you should see some very high quality ones that will fit your needs.
https://wago.io/search/imports/wow/all-weakaura?q=arms rotation

[zenith warren]

how to fix duskthread so it gives twice the amount?

[dire hinge]

could you help me understand what this means?

[fresh spire]

Relog or get killed ingame

Usually works

[zenith warren]

dunno if my tooltip is bugged but i have 2x and it shows 756

[zenith warren]

dying fixed it, ty

[cunning karma]

can any1 tell me what weapon enchant to use for m+ depths or radiant power?

[fresh spire]

[fleet sinew]

606ish 2pc

[dire hinge]

depths is safest atm, it gives you more single target and we don't really need the AoE bonus

[paper summit]

what you guys think of colosss vs slayer? Slayer FEELS really good but its very hard for me to get top dps on any given trash pack. Even when i pop everything. Like charge/thunderclap/avatar/roar/sweeping/bladestorm. And I still get beat.

then cleave spam with MS and overpower's mixed in

[fringe moon]

you shouldn't be sweeping before bladestorm anymore

[paper summit]

MS doenst hit during bladestorm?

[dire hinge]

nope

doesn't sweep any more (recent change)

[fringe moon]

they changed it so unhinged doesn't sweep anymore

[paper summit]

well good, i just learned that trick the other day and its kinda messing me up. Im SOOO used to sweeping the FIRST global after bladestorm

[dire hinge]

nice, yeah that's the healthy thing to do atm

[paper summit]

thats always the way its been. At least as far as i can remember. So does that mean Bladestorm goes back to bad single target dmg?

a while back it was a net dps loss i thought.

[dire hinge]

we still want to use it in single target beacuse it still throws out 3 Mortal Strikes for free, atop auto attacking, and bladestorm damage itself

and things like this, which make Bladestorm do additional damage

[shadow ibex]

Apl doesn't care about using it before or after fwiw

[fading stirrup]

anyone have a decent lethal blows wa

[south axle]

Hey arms people, how is arms doing compared to fury in M+?

[grave mulch]

Oh dude its the worst

we uninstall the game

[dire hinge]

you can copy any existing buff aura, like Martial Prowess (overpower) and just change the trigger to look for Lethal Blows instead

[alpine glade]

With today hotfix, slayer still better ?

[shadow ibex]

Colossus didn't really get much of an inc

[dire hinge]

you can see the math here:
#updates-midnight message

[alpine glade]

ty you are the best

[wary mauve]

How long does it take to level from 1-70?

[misty summit]

is it better to be arms on silken court for the 2 target cleave?

as opposed to fury*

[teal fossil]

Hekili goated

[trim skiff]

You play whatever you want, but sweeping a 15 stack jugg execute in cs avatar windows ngl feels fucking amazing

[wary mauve]

What is this supposed to be?

[dire hinge]

Depends on your methods. There’s a guide out that lets Earthen go to max in just a few hours doing nothing but flying around.

I don’t have an accurate estimation for varied content, but somewhere between 6-30 hours for most people I’d reckon.

[wary mauve]

thanks

[dire hinge]

Of course! Good luck out there!

[dire hinge]

Honestly unsure! Maybe a rogue particle effect

[minor gust]

timewalking is up so pretty free to lvl

[tropic zodiac]

what am i droping in ST build to run cleave with 2p

[shadow ibex]

im convinced the worst part about colossus isnt even demolish anymore and demolish is really lame

its fuckin execute rage starve

[trim skiff]

1 point of Bloodborne - depends on how much you’d aim for Aoe. But in the raid, I just don’t find Cleave to be good. I’d much rather go for the 21s sweep

Might be for padding or whatever, but padding isn’t really your job as Arms, you go for nasty prio damage / sweep execute onto boss from adds. I think that is more value

[tropic zodiac]

Thank you

[trim skiff]

It always feels bad to skip a gcd due to rage starving. Or just resource starving in general.

[nova marsh]

I truly believe resource starving should either: A. Only exist if you fuck up or B. Not exist at all

[shadow ibex]

im doing it to myself really

not using cringe sks in m+

[nova marsh]

SKS is okay

[shadow ibex]

so missing out on 15 occasionally

[nova marsh]

I just...really preffered DF's orginal version

[fresh tide]

It was so much better

it could be the dementia but I think it lined up better in dragonflight too

[nova marsh]

SEe that's beause *EVREYTHING just lined up better in DF

Cuz AM was so much stronger

And things like roar had a longer CD and taking the Troar reduction node was decently questionable

and we also didn't have seperate CDR like we do atm with Bladestorm

It was just am

[shadow ibex]

p sure its been 21 seconds

it was hasted in BFA and SL

if anything it lines up better now because uproar is 45 and not 30

so you have sks for every 2

[nova marsh]

True, and we only care about aligning it for roar

We didn't really have an incentive to align it with anything in DF aside from normal CDs (ava and CS)

Idk I just miss DF's alignment, it felt perfect

[pearl jasper]

How come crit is the highest stat priority? I would have thought it would be mastery

[nova marsh]

First of all, why would it be mast when arms is a spec with access to bonus crit damage

Second of all, really just cuz sims say so. Like I said, arms has access to better crit dam via impale so it's weighed more heavily. Remember, stat prios are not a guideline, not the end all be all. I'd focus on simming upgrades over following prio

[surreal whale]

Does rend have priority over thunderous roar because roar buffs rend bleed 30%?

[nova marsh]

Rend has prio over evreything because we gotta keep rend up

There is no real reason it should drop

Aside from like extended downtime

[surreal whale]

But say your opener or if rend / thunderous roar are both up, why press rend before thunderous roar first is my question when thunderous does more damage but is the same thing but better?

[nova marsh]

In that case, basically yes. You want dots up before roar goes out

And you want max duration dots as well for sks

[manic stirrup]

its not

[nova marsh]

Cuz Sks inside of roar is big dam

[manic stirrup]

i have 8k crit and 14k haste and my sim wants more haste

[surreal whale]

What is sks by chance? Sorry I pvp solely

[nova marsh]

Skullsplitter

[manic stirrup]

maybe you need a TON of crit for it to be better

but i havent seen such resutls ever

[surreal whale]

Yup gotcha, thanks!

[pearl jasper]

Ah right, didn't know there was a bonus crit damage in there, new to arms. Thank you

[nova marsh]

np. Defer all gearing options to the robot

[surreal whale]

Numbers differ in pvp instance than pve so will test but looking at the tooltip thunderous roar bleed is physical vs rend which bypasses armor? Always assumed thunderous did too (it may still) but the “physical” specification seems strange if so

[manic river]

I loved the previous version when it made (with the extra node) to make all existing bleeds on the target expire in one moment

[shadow ibex]

make deft experience 1/1 so colossus can get battlelord for feels

[nova marsh]

I really do miss Blord

[nova marsh]

Make both deft and crit thinking a one point investment and make finishing blows and SoA one talent again.

We'd have so many more talent points

[tired plinth]

are you supposed to prioritize bladestorm in aoe after your CS? or do you still SS and cast BS after like your SkullSplitter and cleave

the notes say you should focus on BS windows but the rotation seems to imply otherwise

like it doesnt specifically say not to BS in SS window but it seems like that would make sense

[shadow ibex]

@fresh spire why is DN so bad is this bait

like 2%

[dire hinge]

both Cleave and Overpower are higher priority than Bladestorm in dense AoE, delaying BS's useage-- but also keep in mind how long the pack is gonna live.
If you are delaying Bladestorm a significant amount, you'd prefer them to live through the duration + subsequent Bonegrinder window.

[tired plinth]

ahh gotcha okay so kinda likeDF arms where you want to cleave and whatnot after bladestorm

but only worth delaying if it can live for that full rotation

[vital rune]

MFW when I got surgical heartstopper the two times I've done CoT

[dire hinge]

but yeah if we assume a large pack is going to stay alive for a long time (many targets, high key), you'd do something like:
Charge -> Clap -> SS -> Roar -> Avatar/CS -> [Cleave/OP until both are on cooldown] -> Bladestorm -> [Rotation]

if there is many targets, you're just using Cleave/OP constantly

[tired plinth]

interesting why do we Roar after SS?

[dire hinge]

I don't have a hard answer for that one, but it's how the APL has been configured, to prioritze SS extremely high.
It's only a half-GCD (not a full one) to cast SS, and you definitely want it out before CS

[shadow ibex]

get it o nCD and lining up with avatar i guess

[tired plinth]

right

[shadow ibex]

no reason to sit on it youre using aoe attacks no matter what during it i guess

[dire hinge]

i dont think it would make a terribly large difference before or after Roar

[boreal glade]

can someone link the apl for st arms

[dire hinge]

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/simulationcraft/simc/refs/heads/thewarwithin/profiles/TWW1/TWW1_Warrior_Arms.simc

[boreal glade]

thanks brother

[dire hinge]

no problemo

[boreal glade]

is it worth it to ms in exe without 4 set?

[shadow ibex]

rend

but that will happen with mortal strikes during bladestorm as well

its a pretty rare cast in execute without 4pc

[balmy kindle]

If I am not wrong u only cast MS to refresh bleeds or when it's fully buffed

Like 2 stacks op, 2 stacks EP. But like the other guy said, you can use bladestorm to proc it as well

[rose ibex]

how's colossus looking after the buffs?

is slayer still on top?

[paper dove]

Btw, for people who dont wanna play with Skullsplitter: https://www.wowhead.com/de/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOAUVBRFQiUVKSUFBAOVVEFURVVQkVQFQCEBEFVVUBR i simmed a bit and tried different builds, and this one seems to be pretty much on par with the Meta Colossus M+ Build in ST and AOE. (only like 0,5-1.2% behind)

Colossus btw

[paper dove]

Colossus only sucks at ST

[rose ibex]

yeah :(

[paper dove]

i also dont know why blizzard doesnt seem to care, like , dont they want their new programmed hero talents to be actually played?

also, why is Warbreaker so bad its not Meta

[rose ibex]

i find colossus more fun

im testing it in raid and... yeah... it doesn't seem as good despite the extra cleave

[paper dove]

Instant Target switch is a problem for Arms

[cerulean dock]

man arms is looking fucking rough in raid

and thats with slayer

[paper dove]

yup

[shadow ibex]

slayer feels alright enough

[cerulean dock]

I was planning on sticking to arms no matter what but the discrepancy is huge

[rose ibex]

im at 600 ilvl and its tough but at least it's fun to play

[paper dove]

In High M+ Keys it seems okayish but Single target is only viable with slayer

[rose ibex]

i feel without cleave you don't proc your spinny move as often

reap the storm

[balmy kindle]

It's true, like playing no cleave ST in raid it feels bad when there's adds

[nova marsh]

I

Really fucking hate mistcaller

Who designed this trash

[boreal glade]

i guess but like we got sweeping bladestorm and roar

like its really not terrible n if theres enough aoe we just take cleave

n smack

[balmy kindle]

The issue is if you take cleave we lose points on our ST talents

[paper dove]

Overall i think they did Arms dirty with the Hero talents, Slayer seems Okay but is definetly functioning worse than Fury Slayer, and Colossus is an absolute catastrophe in ST. Skullsplitter being Meta in M+ shouldnt be the case also kinda weird all

[cerulean dock]

I know its an unpopular opinion but i love colossus

[manic stirrup]

sks has been meta in m+ for multiple seasons straight

[shadow ibex]

its not a huge loss to drop it anyway

[paper dove]

it wasnt in DF S4 tho?

[shadow ibex]

its not meta in the sense that like EP is

or unhinged

[paper dove]

i like it too but i could be functioning better

[shadow ibex]

you can safely moveaway from SkS

[paper dove]

Yeah i was surprised i simmed good without sks

i wish Warbreaker wouldnt be so bad rn

[balmy kindle]

If the difference in ST was not like 5% I would play Colo in a heartbeat

[rose ibex]

on the other hand only a few specs are really killing it in raid it feels like

[manic stirrup]

i always p[layed it

[rose ibex]

so meh

[manic stirrup]

but i ddint play arms very much in s4

so maybe iw as griefing it

[rose ibex]

unless you are a solo pug all the time just play what you want

[paper dove]

well i am more of a m+ guy anyway.

[nova marsh]

I'm M+ focsused this season

because I can't raid, guild is full and I forgot to sign up

[rose ibex]

same

i'll never be able to beat some people in my guild

they jsut have more time

[balmy kindle]

The current raid be like : I have a 5800x3d and I still drop frames

[rose ibex]

and don't have altitist

[balmy kindle]

Gl to guys running on toastmaster 69

[fresh tide]

5600x is very sick

[nova marsh]

I just wonna be able to like feel like I'm doing damage

and not being carried

Being carried is quite literally the worst feeling in the entire universe

[manic river]

i THINK it may be a leftover from where we could SS with the mortals strikes coming from BS?

[balmy kindle]

I feel you, was running 3600x before and while am4 was good, it's definitely showing it's age

[manic river]

We didnt get thane (my favourite flavor wise) and all so Furys don't even use it

[paper dove]

thats also very sad tbh

[manic river]

I wish we could get it

[cerulean dock]

yeah thane / colossus arms feels like it would fit better

slayer is one of the most lame hero talents from the classes ive tried

[manic river]

It works well but man, it's just passive and it's like "you do arms stuff but better, BS and exe all the way"

The extra automatic single and area attacks you get are nice at least

[reef glade]

so is this like normal

first boss i pulled as arms normal sikran

just to get used to it ig

prolly did things wrong but seems like uh

silly

[shadow ibex]

whats wrong with it

[reef glade]

2 buttons 50% of my breakdown lol

[shadow ibex]

we only have 3. OP MS exe/slam depending on rage

[reef glade]

rend upkeep is annoying

sks should just not reduce its duration..

[shadow ibex]

yea i agree

but at least it doesnt matter a ton in terms of output

you can min/max and reapply at certain durations so you dont need to during CS etc etc but super minor

or just turn brain off hit it when its low and do the same

[reef glade]

yep cocka

[shadow ibex]

pretend slayer is a 4pc and that looks like arms from any point past BFA tbh

if anything weirdest thing is BS during ST

[torn rivet]

yo guys

why don't we take warbreaker in M+?

[reef glade]

i think u can if you want but its not necessary cause with BI you also get 3 more seconds of iftk

[torn rivet]

i mean, I couldn't quite understand what archi ment by "cooldowns are off"

[reef glade]

so might be more worth just castin shit faster for a couple more seconds vs damage amp on trash pad mobs

less prio damage

but like if you were trying to pad overall wb def better

[torn rivet]

ah, I see

yep, I get it now. thanks!

[shadow ibex]

yea its not like its just super bad does negative dmg

just also gotta kill bosses

[cerulean dock]

Im a massive arms enthusiast but man it feels bad in raid

has anyone started eyeing other classes?

[reef glade]

yea i thought ppl said that arms was liek rage starved on beta

but im psure my rage never dropped below 80% until exe

and then its

[shadow ibex]

colossus can be pretty starved

[cerulean dock]

survival hunter felt a lil arms esque

[shadow ibex]

at least m+ build havent played it in raid

colossus m+ is just pure waiting for rage

[torn rivet]

I hope they'll make demolish into an evoker-type cast

[balmy kindle]

Unholy DK is kind of bonkers but tons of button bloat

[torn rivet]

hold it and then bomba

[cerulean dock]

that would be cool

it would be nice to start the fight at 10 stacks as well

[torn rivet]

well I mean think about it: u hold the button for ~1.5s (scales down with haste) and BOMBAAAA

one quick ground slam

[shadow ibex]

Or just work like every other ability in the game and not some weird shit

[torn rivet]

it would make my caveman brain happy ngl

[balmy kindle]

Will solve the issue of demolish getting cancelled just because mobs moved 3cm too

[shadow ibex]

I'm sick of their lil thought experiment of having a rooting melee ability

[torn rivet]

yea ngl, its sht

[nova marsh]

Just throw the entirity of collosus out atm

Delete it and remake it entirely

[torn rivet]

replace execute with aoe ground slam execute

[nova marsh]

Then collosus and slayer are just exe focused lol

Ah yes we use exe in aoe....I mean it'd make us use similiar amounts of rage in exe and st

Question

With oppertunist do we just prio tacti resets above evreything else?

Prio puts it the same as MS, but I've heard we send it over CDs as well

[balmy kindle]

Its ok surely they will rework Colo

[nova marsh]

So like

Is pulling the entire hallway to the third boss normal?

in city?

also yes the third boss sucks

A lot

[nova marsh]

So

Am I good at the game for getting out of +2s?

[cerulean dock]

is arms expected to see buffs before .5?

[nova marsh]

Probally not

But honestly saying anyone is expected to be buffed atm is like throwing a dime in a pool

[cerulean dock]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/heroic-nerub-ar-palace-dps-rankings-end-of-heroic-week-queen-ansurek-balance-346714

this seems to say arms is in a good spot

but im not sure how accurate these are

[nova marsh]

Week 2 logs probally aren't the best thing to go off

[cerulean dock]

yeah i understand

just trying to learn

do you know what the dot to the right of the bars are?

these suckers?

[nova marsh]

I believe it's variance but that would've required me to pay attention in math

[reef glade]

i think dot is like the highest number

so like the highest person on the spec got as far as the dot

[dire hinge]

This is called a Whisker Graph
they work like this

Dots, which exceed the maximums, are "outliers"

[minor gust]

holy hes graphing

[acoustic mulch]

Hi Arms-Army, do we craft Crit or Versa Embelishment? i wanna fley an embelishment for raid and m+ so the weaponcraft isnt the right choice in my opinion, should i sim these 2? or we have a straight line?

[dire hinge]

ope sorry, here i fix

[minor gust]

I understand now thank you

[reef glade]

someone just above a 100 parse

ah yes

[minor gust]

I unga then I bunga

[reef glade]

105 parse

[dire hinge]

[woven wasp]

[halcyon breach]

How many times have you beat Virent and make him say nerf warriors

[woven wasp]

Every minute and 30 seconds

[halcyon breach]

Good, keep up the good work

He deserves it for being a mage player

[latent moss]

it is

[minor gust]

numerically it is

[small raven]

Why do we pop Avatar after Thund Roar?

Does avatar not increase Thund Roar dmg?

[sharp tendon]

it does we pop it one on another with rest of cds

[small raven]

Okay so set a macro that uses Avatar first

[sharp tendon]

yh

i got macro with trickets

[teal fossil]

because the initial damage is weak

[soft dew]

You have so many shit to press during avatar/cs that roar is better used before just for the dot to be buffed

[quasi torrent]

🤬magicians

[balmy kindle]

Best parses are the ones you just lock in and wind up getting 90-100 in spite of not looking at meters

[calm marsh]

How much dps are other ilvl ~600 arms warriors hitting for single target? I'm averaging like 425k. Raidbots says I should be hitting like 700k single target. I get it's in a vacuum but I feel like I'm missing a decent bit of damage

(I play colossus bc big slam make brain hapi)

[dire hinge]

if you're determing that on a target dummy, you'll want to use a "Target Dummy" sim instead of a raid one.
(it removes all of your raid buffs, etc)

if you're doing that in a real raid, i'd suggest posting a link to your logs over in #449510248579858432

[calm marsh]

My group reclears norm tomorrow I'll do that

[hexed parrot]

Going 636 ilvl weapon with embelishment + nerubian embelishment ist the best combination for arms for raiding right now?

[dire hinge]

just to illustrate the difference (same gear and talents)

[dire hinge]

that, or the 2x Duskweave, they're both similar. One takes 2 sparks, one takes 3.

[woven wasp]

allegations have come forward

[halcyon breach]

[calm marsh]

Yeah I did that, since I was looking towards my m+ damage I ran it on light movement and add cleave

[astral yarrow]

Banezimagus is even blasting

holy

multiclass prodigy

[halcyon breach]

Banezimagus has to states

[hexed parrot]

Yeah, thx. Otherwise 2x dusks needs a 639 weapon^^

[halcyon breach]

Either popping off or getting popped

[cinder patio]

I have 2 duskweave items but only get 1x 750 Vers.... Why?

[astral yarrow]

relog or drop below the life threshold

[ebon garden]

feel "kinda okay" ?, not fully optimized stuff, no t3 enchant/pots/food, that's why i feel it's "okay"

i feel i press too much TC (hard habtis from previous xpc)

i think i can replace a lot of tc for slam

it's normal raid

on rasha'nan we made a fail pull but fight the boss anyway, i was like 20 secondes waiting for reset/wype before engaging 😄

[pulsar elk]

guys help me out here i got this in a delve and according to my raidbot sims its better than a 603 haste vers weapon i have

anyone know if its worth losing the strength? im about to upgrade one of my 2h to 619

and both weapons sim within like 10k dps

[versed shoal]

I just tried arms for st boss without played a min this expansion

[ebon garden]

[pulsar elk]

u should see the rest of the parses in my group xD

hence the 6/8

[ebon garden]

i really like the silken court fight

great design actually

[latent moss]

no arms on rashanan

[olive oracle]

How is Arms looking rn in PvE? Compared to Fury after the fury nerfs.

[boreal quartz]

Ait

[latent moss]

better on boss damage worse on adds

better on st in general

[olive oracle]

Ok thanks! Im looking forward to arms buff in the future or something because i like arms rotation more.

[boreal quartz]

Doesnt need buffs?

[olive oracle]

Arms is ok but fury seems to be ahead on most bosses in nerub :/

[atomic mountain]

What do you think abour datamined buffes on collosus and nerves on bladefury?

Fury gets some slaps too

[boreal quartz]

Cuz its all pad bosses xd

[boreal quartz]

Arms nerf doesnt matter

[latent moss]

colossus is still dead

[atomic mountain]

? There are no nerfes on arms

[latent moss]

10% bladestorm nerf

[rose ibex]

I don't think it's significant

For arms in st

[latent moss]

its not significant anywhere

[versed shoal]

We killed only 3 last night

[rose ibex]

I wish colossus was better in st

[latent moss]

i dont

its so cursed

[icy magnet]

parses are a bit strange, first week i got all green now all 90+ XD something is wrong

[rose ibex]

I also wish demolish was just one big hit that auto crit

[boreal quartz]

It's gear check rn

If you made 610 wep week 1 with embell you kinda just win

[ebon garden]

we should send it more frequently, balance it's damage around this and make it generate a little bit of rage (not talking about the clunkyness of the skilll )

[atomic mountain]

Not the latest. The new datamined. They decrease the wepdmg scaling by 15,5%

[ebon garden]

fuck ?

[atomic mountain]

Sorry attackpower not wepdmg

[ebon garden]

it's a buff so

[atomic mountain]

No??

[ebon garden]

185 to 222 looks like a buff

[latent moss]

ye thats 10% of 155

[atomic mountain]

Thats right i daied colossus buff and bladfury nerv

[balmy kindle]

Rip fury

[atomic mountain]

[balmy kindle]

Hopefully that doesn't go through for fury

[ebon garden]

ho yeah sorry for shuffling things in my head 🙂

[boreal quartz]

Bladfury

[atomic mountain]

All fine

[atomic mountain]

Blyadfury? XD

[latent moss]

[mighty lance]

Wtf haha

[astral yarrow]

mfw its live

[latent moss]

and fury still cranks

[balmy kindle]

So as an arms main should I be like gj blizz please nerf them more and buff Colo

[cunning pond]

my parses are purples rn, but green/blue for ilvl .. that means im garbage right?

[balmy kindle]

Garbage =/= you have room for improvement

[versed shoal]

Blyatfury??

[plucky fern]

what datamined changes are you talking about

its the same changes that happened this week

just in numbers format

bs nerf/demo two hits buff

1% colo buff

[vernal crypt]

Just remove the slow from demolish and I would take the dps loss tbh, I like the spec

[latent moss]

no colossus

fuck colossus

[minor gust]

Delete Colossus and try again ty

And do that with arms aswell

[manic stirrup]

colossus is so fun in keys

[frigid cipher]

I kinda like colossus from the four seconds I tried it out

[steep osprey]

What are you fellas playing for m+

[frigid cipher]

Don’t know where I’m binding demolish though

[balmy kindle]

Arms is simple and straightforward, would you rather be like unholy DK with 3-4 cooldowns to track

[frigid cipher]

Arms goes kinda crazy with the amount of keybinds it has

[steep osprey]

Kevin's?

[frigid cipher]

Pretty weird autocorrect…

[balmy kindle]

You ever played unholy DK though

[gilded stump]

You don't track those you just keep pressing them

[steep osprey]

Who is Kevin and what have you done with him?

[manic stirrup]

yes

[balmy kindle]

You have 3 45s and a few long cooldowns that you need to press

[steep osprey]

What's better for M+, slayer or Colossus

[boreal quartz]

Add sweep + cs

And sks

[manic stirrup]

done

[boreal quartz]

No utility

[manic stirrup]

warrior doesnt have any anyways apparently

[steep osprey]

xdd

[manic stirrup]

yes guys my 25 second stun knockup is very bad

[boreal quartz]

Untalent rally

Btw

[pulsar elk]

which 2h should i upgrade to 619? this one or

or this

cant decide

[boreal quartz]

Sim

[weak wave]

Sim

[astral yarrow]

should prolly craft a weapon with hc or mythic crests instead honestly

[pulsar elk]

sims literally within 5k dps if i sim it against a 603 delve 2h haste/vers

[minor gust]

Syringe is only good in ST

[pulsar elk]

more just curious which would u would go for

[minor gust]

Just take the normal wep if you want a good all rounder

[boreal quartz]

The higher simming option

[steep osprey]

how's m+ going for you fellas

[balmy kindle]

Craft weapon because u can always use the spare one for fury

[boreal quartz]

Which is crafted wep

[pulsar elk]

lmao if somethings within 5k dps in a patchwerk sim and it has an on kill effect, theres something to be said there

[steep osprey]

there's no way i can get gilded crest rn

[pulsar elk]

just saying

[steep osprey]

is it better to just do raid and get hc weapon

[boreal quartz]

L

[gilded stump]

Do bountiful delves

[pulsar elk]

those dont give gilded

[astral yarrow]

theres also no mainstat on it

[steep osprey]

what

[weak wave]

You don't kill very much in an Patchwerk fight do you?

[pulsar elk]

yeah tthats the biggest gripe i have with the weapon and the reason im even asking tbh

if it had mainstat itd be obv bis

no shit thats what im saying yanthir lol

[astral yarrow]

just craft a weapon with runed crests man

dont think too much

[gilded stump]

Yes they do from map chests

[steep osprey]

can't you get one from the raid

[pulsar elk]

i have crafted offpieces im not waiting 2 weeks to get my 619 weapon

[steep osprey]

last boss quest

[balmy kindle]

Second this , just craft your main weapon

[astral yarrow]

yeah you can

even story mode

[halcyon breach]

Story mode very exciting

[pulsar elk]

way easier to just do 6 +4 mythics, upgrade your weapon to 619, and save 100k

[minor gust]

So fun so story

[balmy kindle]

If anyone hasn't done it, story mode gives you HC crest

[steep osprey]

How do you do story mode?

[astral yarrow]

theres 0 reason not to just craft that unless you have prospects of getting 90 gilded crests in a timely fashion

[astral yarrow]

no clue

[balmy kindle]

Look for Webster an npc beside the portal from Spidey land to dwarf island

[halcyon breach]

You get the quest to kill Ansurek, then go to the right of the raid entrance

There's an NPC that queues you for story mode

[steep osprey]

Who gives you that quest? i guess you can't just pick it up on alt if you haven't done the campaign?

[balmy kindle]

Webster , blizzard forgot to mark him

[astral yarrow]

i think you might have to do the campaign yeah

[steep osprey]

unfortunate

[pulsar elk]

not worth

[astral yarrow]

[steep osprey]

yeah not worth getting a hc

crest

stop cappin

[astral yarrow]

its enchanted crest even

so even save on the enchanting mats to make it

[steep osprey]

oh that's pog

[minor gust]

It sparkles too

[steep osprey]

you sparkle

[minor gust]

And farts flowers

[steep osprey]

is there a big diff between slayer and colossus for m+

[boreal quartz]

No

[minor gust]

The big diff is you have to press demolish and be sad when it doesn't crit or just decides to not work

[steep osprey]

that's unfortunate

[versed shoal]

Or be sad that your tank is so slow that your stack fall off

[minor gust]

Be happy and stick to spinning

[balmy kindle]

Stacks falling off makes me

[minor gust]

What's the colossal might stack duration?

[balmy kindle]

24

[idle ermine]

what's the correct bis list for m+, method or wowhead one? one says bis weapon is from city of threads and one says boralus

[minor gust]

Damn get fucked. Slayer stay winning with its one minute imminent demise duration

[balmy kindle]

Sorry it's lower at 24s

Why it can't be 1 min ? Small indie company

[manic stirrup]

im almost certain if you play colossus correctly its the best

but its kinda hard to have your cds line perfectly

[balmy kindle]

Colo is good until demo refuses to work

[manic stirrup]

esp if you play blademasters torment

ive had 0 demolishes fail to work through 3 keys

[minor gust]

I'm good I refuse to press demolish unless that shits op af and Slayer is garbage

[manic stirrup]

obviously it can happen but its not common at all

bladestorm is like 6 secodns long, demolish is fine

[balmy kindle]

But it doesn't change the fact it's painge when the mobs move 3cm and Ur stuff cancels

[minor gust]

But I can move in BS

[halcyon breach]

Just pilot it well

[versed shoal]

The bladestorm mortal proccs go for 2 target if sweeping active?

[plucky fern]

whats the current performance for colossus in m+? only tried slayer so far, interested how colo performs, is it even worth trying

[minor gust]

No

[versed shoal]

[balmy kindle]

If your tank can predictably hold the mobs demo smacks hard

[plucky fern]

colossus sims better in dungeonslice but idk

[balmy kindle]

Like really hard

[plucky fern]

its ST is still so garbage

and i feel like some keys its all about the bosses

like necrotic wake

[manic stirrup]

st is ki nda beans

idk how to fix it yet

[halcyon breach]

At least colossus has a funny "feature" where Unhinged gives 2 colossal might stacks with Sweeping active even if it doesn't actually cleave nor crit

(unless this has been hotfixed)

[manic stirrup]

hope it snot changed

[minor gust]

You know something I thought about today I assume unhinged MS can proc reap right?

[balmy kindle]

Like even with high crit the ST is just kind of meh

[halcyon breach]

BT Unhingeds do, so I assume MS can as well

[minor gust]

Thought so

Just something you don't notice cuz your already spinning

[manic stirrup]

can drop mbg

idk how else to make st better

[minor gust]

But your big cleaves

[balmy kindle]

For me Colo doesn't work without battlelord

Feels kind of shite

[plucky fern]

dropping mbg for massacre even sims better in dungeonslice for some reason

[minor gust]

Battlelord ain't coming back till they revert the MS nerf

[frigid cipher]

was MS nerf a beta thing

what did they do

[balmy kindle]

Battlelord doesn't make Ur ms stronger anymore

Just gives it resets on OP

[fossil mantle]

I get rid of dreadnaught for strength of arms, go Blunt instruments and Massacre

Its not the best ST still but its better than the general AOE build

You can replace Massacre for Battelord if you really want I suppose

[halcyon breach]

They nerfed MS by 15% around Prepatch

And OP by 10% iirc

[minor gust]

Wasn't it 20%

[halcyon breach]

Or the other way around

[balmy kindle]

But is not Dreadnaught a huge part of aoe.. I guess you can just press cleave more

[manic stirrup]

maybe

dreadnaut is fucking dogshit

[minor gust]

From king to dogshit

How it be

[fossil mantle]

Not, dreadnaught is an absolute scam. Honestly they massacred that talent. For me it fluctuates between 2 and 3 percent of my damage in dungeons. Aint no way in hell I am gonna sacrifice so much ST for that.

[balmy kindle]

Well you gave me an idea to test it for sure

[fossil mantle]

also, dont play Blademasters torment. Go with double roar talents. ALmost the same AOE but more ST in return.

and I also stopped using Skullsplitter to save a point but that is personal preference and not really sure if its a dps gain even

[balmy kindle]

Yea I don't use B torment on my Colo setup too, serves no purpose.

Sks I think is kind of ST gain but yeah it's a sucky button to press

[fossil mantle]

yea, its such a meh button to press. I appreciate them making it 1 whole talent tho and not 2 split ones.

I will tell you what we need, a fatality rework. Make it happen blizz, rogues got it before us even.

[halcyon breach]

Honestly don't remember the exact amount, it was 15-20%

[frigid cipher]

defintely the most cringe node ive seen. im a big fatality hater

[minor gust]

It was a massive nerf all I really remember

[balmy kindle]

Fatality is very polarising though, I hated it during DF

More cringe than focused rage

[manic stirrup]

wouldnt say polarizing

[balmy kindle]

Some people liked it because it gave you a fat number after stacks, I personally hated it because I had no control over it

[fossil mantle]

I will not accept any focused rage slander here

[plucky fern]

true, blademaster is the biggest bait

[balmy kindle]

To each of his own, I hated FR but I would admit it gave me a fat MS

[plucky fern]

idk why its in recommended colossus build in wowhead

it doesnt even sim better than roar

not even talking about real impact

[manic stirrup]

im pretty sure if you play it perfectly its really good

[fossil mantle]

Dude that is what I have been saying. No offense to whoever writes the guides but the guides this exp(at least the wowhead ones) have been less than satisfactory. Has been for a long time but who am I to say

[manic stirrup]

i dont have any information to prove this

[plucky fern]

well fury guide is legit because archi plays fury mostly

[balmy kindle]

Idk, I think it's hard to squeeze that many cleaves for B torment to be worth it imo

Like you are not going to use unbuffed cleaves

[manic stirrup]

yes you are

[fossil mantle]

you do actually, you spam cleave all the time in AOE

[manic stirrup]

you do it all the time wdym

[fossil mantle]

what else are you going to use anyways

[manic stirrup]

the tech is you want to either 1. get a MASSIVE collateral damage before ravager

or use your avatar ss to get a small collateral in ravager

and use your main ss after mbg ends

[balmy kindle]

Maybe wrong here but with Dreadnaught isn't sweeping op better

[manic stirrup]

no dreadnaught does beans damage

[astral yarrow]

DN is doodoo

[plucky fern]

its too much work for that shitty talent imo, too many things can go wrong and you waste full value

and then you are left with a dead talent in st

(still talking about torment)

[fossil mantle]

Oh my sweet summer child, gone are the days of that. There is a new kid on the block and its called cleave

[balmy kindle]

Time to remove Dreadnaught

[balmy kindle]

Hey I am still stuck in DF S2 leave me be

[median jolt]

Oldge

Back in my days

[fossil mantle]

Good thing you are not stuck in BFA cause ToM is as good as dead right now

[plucky fern]

rip dreadnaught you are missed

[fossil mantle]

but credit to Blizz, Arms is much better than in DF. Good thing they removed hurricane, what a dogshit talent

sounds cool but just makes the rotation unpleasantly unintuitive

[balmy kindle]

I still have memories trying to stack TOM with the whirlwind talent on aberrus

[fossil mantle]

yea and FoB got nerfed because of that even

[plucky fern]

also idk i feel like a really start missing old storm of swords
theres too many situations where i just want to dump 70 rage

[fossil mantle]

Oh storm of swords was really cool, I will give you that. I know I am in the minority but I still wish we had whirlwhind is some shape or form that could be used in conjunction with cleave

[plucky fern]

all they needed to do is not merge cleave and ww and leave SoS as is

[balmy kindle]

But the button bloat sir

[plucky fern]

would fix both aoe rage overcap and ST pre execute rotation

[balmy kindle]

True

[plucky fern]

yea button bloat is annoying, esp in colossus, but its lesser evil than shitty rotation

[minor gust]

It's better but our talent tree is still cursed dogshit

[plucky fern]

actually they could even merge them and still make SoS work
instead of adding cooldown to cleave it could give a buff every 10 seconds that would increase next cleave cost and damage

but w/e

[balmy kindle]

I kind of hated and liked SoS, hated because bloat, but liked because it hit really hard outside of exe

[plucky fern]

we get rage refund for cleave instead

a contester for FB to be the worst talent of all times

[balmy kindle]

Been looking at DK for alt and DKs tree is surprisingly streamlined now

[plucky fern]

dks tree is fire

[balmy kindle]

Like esp for frost ( can see why it's popular)

[plucky fern]

well its popular because it does shitton of damage but yeah good tree definetly helps with that

[fossil mantle]

what? you mean to tell you dont enjoy having a number of dead choice nodes?

[plucky fern]

its all good we only have EIGHT dead useless talents that nobody ever picks in our spec tree

[fossil mantle]

dance of death build with spiteful serenity...mmmm

[plucky fern]

oh yeah serenity

nine then

[fossil mantle]

also whats up with killing the avatar capstones? Fury's were literally unchanged.

[plucky fern]

its pathetic that all those talents are not like 'weak' or something, they are straight up doing nothing

zero dps

its not like we have one build thats just tuned better, no
we straight up have unusable talents

[frosty basin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#difficulty=4&sample=1

did anyone else check this

boys we are on top

[minor gust]

I will never let go the fact they cut one of our talents in half to replace a removed one while every other class gets brand new shit

[plucky fern]

all percentiles
and even in all percentiles its just for a few days untill better specs get their tier