Crazy how brann fucking sucks now
#arms
reef glade
dull siren
rapid bronze
I want it to be like Prideful in SL but the spawn is random rng not based on count
Lmao
dire hinge
haha ok that one got me
livid cloak
On 2t for silken court where would cleave fall in the prio?
lucid hemlock
don't think u spec cleave
livid cloak
Does it extend normal sweep or do you have to use them separately?
sacred zodiac
quality post
chilly parcel
Just so i know: how good is hekili for arms? 😅
sacred zodiac
probably fine it usually goes off of apl which is usually correct
you are always dealing with the weakness that heikili doesnt use your common sense to make decisions so it will just be suboptimal
chilly parcel
Was desperate regarding havoc and it was horrible
sacred zodiac
im personally of the opinion that you learn the spec better if you don't use it but i understand if you want a helping hand
chilly parcel
Wont rly have time before the next raid night, so might use it. On the other hand the prio is quite straightforward
sacred zodiac
can recommend playing fury its tailor made for the raid and you really can't go wrong just pressing cds on cd
chilly parcel
NOW i will sleep, gn8 😆
sacred zodiac
good night king you shall slay tomorrow
chilly parcel
Yeh played some fury already
shadow ibex
wanton sierra
who marked me? damn i see ppl tryin to kill zekvir... why? there is an mount or somethign
nova marsh
To unlock the second difficulty that the mount needs
void cradle
just started playing arms, didn’t realize it felt so much like classic warrior yall
nova marsh
...kind of?
white anvil
nova marsh
I mean you have some semblance of rage management, unlike fury which is just building
white anvil
arms has some insane variance in dps logs lol
frosty pike
I would love to go back to my 10 apm classic warrior
nova marsh
Ew no
white anvil
that min is crazy
nova marsh
arms has some insane variance in dps logs lol
Probally because there are still collusus copers out there
Unlikely thou
wanton sierra
thhis big variance is counter intuitive classes? ppl dont know how to play or
frosty pike
I hit bleed I hit ms
nova marsh
It's week one so people are probally still shit at the spec
that and the people who are bad haven't hopped off yet. And also, yeah, collosus copers too
frosty pike
If Aug and pi aren't camped on me there will be several strongly worded whispers
sacred zodiac
me when i want my raid to be suboptimal
sacred zodiac
should be fine
latent moss
is the sim for arms well maintained?
it is
frosty pike
me when i want my raid to be suboptimal
I'm also giving other dps power bombs to throw at me
I'm not a coward
vale cradle
Sims make me self conscious about the amount of overpower procs i get
sturdy flicker
so these nerfs making arms the play a bit more on a couple fighttS?
grave mulch
what a glorious morning . waking up to see more fury nerfs
sacred zodiac
me when i pray for the downfall of my brothers
frosty pike
i want everyone to be nerfed but me, including other arms warriors
ornate mountain
grave mulch
nope
nova marsh
Honestly I don't hate
nova marsh
AoE is still a mess but honestly it's a bit more cleaned up compared to DF arms to me
DF arms was such a mess in aoe
The only thing I dislike about TWW arms (aside from collossus but we don't talk about that) is just...skullsplitter
shadow ibex
its just as bad as DF
nova marsh
I Just liked DF's inital versio nwas more
limber river
I actually have a ton of fun playing col in mythics and would love to see it buffed to be closer to slayer so it was just the flavor choice that was promised.
abstract vale
No, remove Colossus. My opinion is the only opinion
limber river
My bad haha
nova marsh
Personally I think it just needs a full rework
rework demolish into something less clunky and give it an MS reset talent instead of practiced strikes
grave mulch
Slayer is really fun feels good. I love colossus in pvp. I wish Colossus was fixed and made viable for some fights so i can swap between the hero talents
limber river
Slayer does feel weird but the execute phase is very unintuitive for me.
nova marsh
How so?
grave mulch
how is slayer feel weird? Its all proc based?
nova marsh
Really just running BS all the time is something I don't like
But I can kind of forgive it because unhinged is awesome
abstract vale
Opportunist definitely feels strange
grave mulch
how
shadow ibex
the min/max usage of marked for execution is very unintuitived
nova marsh
Where it was literally outdoing MS and even exe in almost evrey case
grave mulch
its gonna feel stranger when you get to execute phase and you do x2 exe and have to do x2 OP before you MS for the big hit
latent moss
its gonna feel stranger when you get to execute phase and you do x2 exe and have...
without 4p u only ms to keep rend and dw. with 4p u press ms every 2x EP and 2x 4p
shadow ibex
we gamba
wanton sierra
im demolish lover, i know we got problems, but it like colossus better ❤️
vast hinge
is arms slayer or mountain thane
vast hinge
Oh yeah the demolish spec
vast hinge
Ah ok
How does it work with slayer but no blade storm?
Or does arms run bladestorm too
wanton sierra
slayer needs to run bs
vast hinge
Ah so thane is the ravager spec?
nova marsh
And arms always runs BS or Rava to get juicy as fuck unhinged proc
Yes you use ravager for colossus
But colossus is really undertujned
and is omega gamba
vast hinge
Ah right , even with the incoming buffs?
Might have to get arms ready in case fury becomes dog after tuning
🤣
At lest for some ST fights
grave mulch
Ah right , even with the incoming buffs?
nova marsh
Yeah it's still bad even with buffs
wanton sierra
the thing is, we are used to be bad so its like tuesday to us xD
nova marsh
It's honestly worse in practice
a tank moving can ruin demolish, you jumping like a little meele brain ruins demolish, DEMOLISH CAN BE PARRIED, mechanics can make you stop demolish
vast hinge
It’s basically Lego axe effect yeah?
nova marsh
And damage variance for demolish is EXTREMELY high, espically for no crits
nova marsh
Lego axe but hastened more with a shortter channel and no leap
Well
You have 10% DR during it
wanton sierra
pressin demo with 0 stacks feels like pressin slam
wanton sierra
but indeed feels good when big crits
wanton sierra
is zekvir soloable as warrior?
nova marsh
Yes, just need good interrupt RNG on brann
some people here have done it
...probs go fury for it thou
wanton sierra
im watching critcake.. i think he ggot way better as arms
white anvil
but they are already close on sim
grave mulch
but they are already close on sim
is not close
nova marsh
8% is pretty close to some people
but in practice colossus is probally even further behind due to how ridiciously clunky Demolish is
white anvil
how far behind is colossus in aoe ?
nova marsh
8% assumes:
Decent luck with crits
Demolish is NEVER interrupted and always gets off no matter what
safe comet
The only thing I dislike about TWW arms (aside from collossus but we don't talk ...
I hate Skullsplitter too. I've been using Exhilirating Blows instead of it in dungeons, and sometimes you get 6-8 cleave resets in a row for insane aoe
white anvil
they were already quite close in aoe, yes ?
nova marsh
in aoe yeah
But the reality is slayer is just really consistant
Colossus is....not
It relies on coinflips
If demolish dosen't crit you're fucked
wanton sierra
maybe ggets into a point that it will oversells with insanely good player that takes the most of demolish... so im talkin about an big wide range of performace... then ppl will see some insane colossus on twitch then underperform and say the class is hard or something
nova marsh
Na
In it's current state imo colossus just really isn't worth it
It can get you killed, it has several fail conditions that just completely screw up your damage, some completely our of your controll, and in addition it relies pretty heavily on crit rng
Which, atm, when stats are low....is...stacked against you
latent moss
even if it highrolls its worse
nova marsh
Yeah
nova marsh
Like I said, 8% is assuming very favorable conditions, favorable conditions that don't appear in normal play
Reworking demolish into something less unweidly but still extremely hard hitting and giving it an MS reset talent would probally make it a lot better.
wanton sierra
so its consistancy against spike dam... how much of the dam we need to surpass concistancy
latent moss
slayer isnt really consistent either but its more consistent for sure
nova marsh
well
It's consisent in comparison to demolish, which is less consistent then a pathological liar.
latent moss
so its consistancy against spike dam... how much of the dam we need to surpass c...
its consistency and being better against a gamba crit
gamba crit can be good to blast adds if u get lucky
latent moss
but u can just play slayer troar and bladestorm and blast them anyway
neon shale
Sup bitchs
wanton sierra
im sure there will be very big gamba crits that shall change your thoughts
wanton sierra
https://tenor.com/view/big-bird-angry-door-fall-gif-11404358
sup
shadow ibex
really hard to fuck up slayer. i guess its hard to fuck up colossus since we dont carea bout lining it up
but demo can be moved from gg
wanton sierra
how about: demo ccan be moved but youu move 50%slow
nova marsh
If demolish didn't have 3 very easy to meet fail conditions maybe I'd still play it lol
nova marsh
how about: demo ccan be moved but youu move 50%slow
Already been suggested
But really demolish should be reworked into a normal ability instead of ANOTHER channel
shadow ibex
yea they need to just stop this lil thought experiment
and concede they suck
same problem with banner
were told all of beta and alpha cycle it was cringe. went live and 0 necro wars
wanton sierra
hey i did the necro renown and got nice plate mogs
tried to play a bunch of arena
but meh
shadow ibex
i went necro for sire prog for about 8 pulls
and then we went on break and i went back NF
wanton sierra
ppl liked to stack those stinky boomkins for big maestry party
primal hamlet
demolish could just trigger a double gcd or something, acts like a channel but you can still move. Then it's on the player to make sure they are still in range
wanton sierra
they fucked up banner by settin its cd 2 min xD for warrior its an joke
primal hamlet
and you have the ability to use the flashy animations
wanton sierra
demolish could just trigger a double gcd or something, acts like a channel but y...
i liked the idea
yes but it cant work with heroicc leap, imagine ppl settin up big demo then jumpin sync to blast flypoints or something
i mean, it already dont work
so dont mind me
shadow ibex
to blast flypoints?
wanton sierra
sorry im kinda highh, i mean points of interested, when world quest ppl gather.. so you can multikill
nova marsh
I love when people ask why arms would ever use defensive stance lol
primal hamlet
Well it would still have the same trigger conditions as a normal ability, so you have to be in range to press demolish, it triggers a double gcd as it goes through the animation and the hits and the player has to stay within a certain range of the mob for them to land.
I don't envision it would be something like a press demolish, it would wind up, and then you leap onto your target for the big hit
wanton sierra
ds is huge
nova marsh
Ikr
wanton sierra
i dont press it enough... soloin delves and pvp is very good to use it frequently
nova marsh
Dstance is like one of the best defensives in the game
wanton sierra
its like an barkskin with 6 sec cd xD
wanton sierra
3% yuge
nova marsh
Unfortauntely
nova marsh
It's still not better then fury lol
untold trench
boss dam looked good enough even before the nerfs, if ya ask me
upper venture
<:peepostudy:617259554530656262> boss dam looked good enough even before the ner...
👍
untold trench
Oh well, if getting another 20% in aura nerfs is what is needed to allow arms to be happy. Beating Fury on burst AoE. So be it
Ya deserve it
pearl atlas
what do i need to be an arms warrior
untold trench
Non-pad dam
shadow ibex
i mean adds need to die
upper venture
everything needs to die
untold trench
Ye, true. If only there was a bunch of cleave dam around that did that.
Sad part of frontloaded damage is how ppl see it and go reeeee
fluid rune
is the arms build on wowhead for queen ansurek the one to use?
shadow ibex
yea i think the fury nerfs are a little kneejerk
like its heroic week 1
ppl dont have tier
untold trench
I say give fury another -10 to actually make an impact
upper venture
we'll take arms down with us
spiral summit
Looked at arms after fury nerfs. Why is there so many buttons for cleave. You guys live like this?
nova marsh
Why is fury a 4 button rotation
abstract vale
where is annihilator when I need it
spiral summit
Idk if i can adapt to more than 4 buttons. but that execute phase looks fun
grave mulch
huh?
untold trench
Spoiler, it aint
dire hinge
It’s condemn without the damage 
nova marsh
Condemm was the big lame
nova marsh
That's true
abstract vale
nova marsh
Condemm on slyvie 
ivory harbor
Hi all, anyone knows where i can find the best PI target for execution phase?
nova marsh
Arms warrior
abstract vale
do it for the old warrior's soul
abstract vale
I didn't even get the kill
nova marsh
Gavel thou 
abstract vale
nova marsh
Length wasn't even the main problem
main problem was it was sooooo boring till P3
P3 was fun
untold trench
You didn't enjoy semi afking for 10 min to prog 15 sec, fail, go again?
nova marsh
I didn't even do mythic and I fucking hated slyvie
It's currently my least favorite boss ever. In any video game
untold trench
Mine is tindral, 1k wipes, and yet ppl died to the first beam and dispells failed
rapid bronze
Gavel with Kyrian or necro buff in the first big pull of soleah gambit with lust
rapid bronze
Chef kiss
nova marsh
Until you got outdpsed by a tank with lucky procs
ivory harbor
**Arms warrior**
Thank u sir, would u happen to have a sim chart or smth I could share with my raid team to evidence that?
manic stirrup
ppl overrate how hard tindral is
nova marsh
I mean tbh slyvie wasn't that bad either
ivory harbor
I am trying to share with them the best PI target for execute phase
manic stirrup
especially on an individual level
nova marsh
It just wasn't fun. Just like tindral wasn't fun
manic stirrup
Hi all, anyone knows where i can find the best PI target for execution phase?
check that sheet that has all the tier sets
theres pi sims
sim arms execute sim with and without pi
show dps gained in execute with pi
may or may not be better than bm
idk
untold trench
ppl overrate how hard tindral is
Ppl underestimate how much some ppl struggle*
nova marsh
I mean to be fair a bad boss can be really easy too
Like I have the apparent hot take of really disliking jailor p1 because I just hated the bomb mech
abstract vale
BIG PRINCESS ENJOYER
grave mulch
why you benched
nova marsh
Did not sign up at all
and they are completely full and have a few better warriors
so I'm not the LITERAL only one
Also work hates me
grave mulch
F
nova marsh
heavy on the last part but it's only heroic so 🤷
nova marsh
Tbh I kinda wonna do keys more this season over raid
grave mulch
kings rest
soft glen
as arms we don't charge with avatar like fury with charge + reck?
soft glen
alright
ty sir
i thought ww in arms was not going to be existing in tww..
i read somewhere would be only cleave
manic stirrup
if you talent cleave it repalces ww
carmine ginkgo
Ty you guys for the help earlier about no MS in exe. it made a difference
burnt lake
sry for scrub question, but WHY do we have to maintain rend? it doesnt really seem to do a lot of dmg
soft glen
if you talent cleave it repalces ww
oh nice..
untold trench
sry for scrub question, but WHY do we have to maintain rend? it doesnt really se...
Dam is dam, it is a button ya don't press that often - it yields good dam for GCD cost
vital rune
Do we wait for 3x MoE to use execute every time, or send as needed?
soft glen
Do we wait for 3x MoE to use execute every time, or send as needed?
Sudden Death triggers often and should be used with Marked for Execution on the target, though you do not need to wait for all three stacks.
Execute with three stacks of Marked for Execution, two stacks of Sudden Death, or to refresh Juggernaut
vital rune
Got it, thanks!
silk spade
nova marsh
So to make sure I have this right
Exe rotation is:
- Spam execute
- Use ms with all modifiers applied OR to refresh rend and dw
- Op under 40 rage
Or am I still missing smth
latent moss
use ms to refresh rend and dw without 4p or with 2x ep and 2x 4p with 4p
dire hinge
Exe rotation is:
1. Spam execute
2. Use ms with all modifiers applied OR to refr...
"all modifiers" = 2x EP + 2x 4-piece set bonus (we don't care about OP buffs)
im just gonna start calling it Lethal Blows (LB), because admittedly seeing 2x ep 2x 4p feels like too many letters and numbers smushed together 😂
ivory harbor
Pardon me but what is 2x ep and 2x 4p with 4p?
Is it execute 4 times then ms?
shadow ibex
our 4pc gives a stacking dmg boost to mortal strike when OP has its CD reset by tactician
stacks twice
ivory harbor
I see, thank u sir
shadow ibex
so in execute you will execute until you get x2 OP resets
in theory you could do like mortal strike OP OP exe exe exe (op reset) exe OP exe exe (second reset) MS
if you got unlucky
ivory harbor
Ohhh, time to find a WA to track that buff 😊
shadow ibex
p much
ivory harbor
Thank u so much for the explanation sir
ivory harbor
Got it
shadow ibex
but yea that is a very real possibility for the exe rotation. esp since we only take 1 point in deft experience so it doesnt have super max OP reset chance
nova marsh
"all modifiers" = `2x EP` + `2x 4-piece set bonus` (we don't care about OP buffs...
Okay thanks guys
Was really wondering why my damage was shit in st but p good in pads
acoustic mulch
so OP with Opportunist or how this buff is calling in exe isnt good go press?
fluid hatch
Is arms about to be better than fury after all those nerfs?
shadow ibex
they both have a place
tired fox
Is the GCD a lot longer than it used to be?
Feels like I gotta wait a bit longer to press buttons rn
white anvil
s radiant power better than the depths enchant for arms?
i see top parsing arms going radiant
latent moss
Feels like I gotta wait a bit longer to press buttons rn
u have less haste
latent moss
s radiant power better than the depths enchant for arms?
depths is better for st
remote forge
interesting name
tired fox
u have less haste
Will we like haste again?
weak wave
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oAWSBrDjHgkA2aSxTfFcaX
VS
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rMvRNmeKcXfTvZHXhfZdaf
manic stirrup
nothing changed
latent moss
both of them sim with blunt instruments
shadow ibex
variance
weak wave
Yeah.
latent moss
well akshually raidbots says the variance is ~394 🤓
teal fossil
90k sounds way more right
manic stirrup
that does sound right
teal fossil
90k is about 12%
weak wave
Hmm thats heavy.. only cause of 3s more?
manic stirrup
3s more of haste and damage debuff on enemy
teal fossil
^
dire hinge
3sec more of both increased dps taken + haste buff
weak wave
Well well..
teal fossil
like it even makes sense on napkin math
30% more uptime on a 30% debuff is 9% damage
latent moss
30% increased uptime ye
white anvil
so if we used spark on weapon thus far, i suppose the best spark next reset will be a darkmoon sigil enhancing bracer or the like?
guess that is what i am doing with mine
cuz right now best you can do is 590
dusty depot
cuz right now best you can do is 590
Or 610 pvp bracers with the enhance
rose matrix
Does this mean you want to meet all three or just one of the three to use it?
manic stirrup
all 3
terse mist
What’s the highest we can craft rn? 610?
dire hinge
technically 619, but it's not recommended to blow Runed (heroic) crests on a craft since you'll replace it with Gilded (mythic) soon afterwards
and you just much all of those Runed crests, which will likely be a gear bottleneck
terse mist
Ty
dire hinge
sure thing 
white anvil
what's a better use of aotc token, hands or helmet tier piece ?
proven valve
Id say helmet so u can swap easier if u want/need to
white anvil
queensguard carapace heroic is so good .. 1300 crit 500 haste, it is a shame i will have to put this in catalyst
dire hinge
Helm has more stats on it
dry frost
So SKS is low on the ability prio list but is it worth making it desync from roar to get higher prio spells off?
Cause you only have like 4 seconds of wiggle room to use it on cd otherwise it desyncs with roar
halcyon breach
Its low on prio but you end up using it basically on CD regardless
latent moss
sks is 10s troar is 16s
it doesnt have to align perfectly
but its pretty high on prio
you only send stacked SD BS (if cs is on the target or its not coming any time soon) OP with opportunist and MS
above SKS
frosty basin
Is it me or arms is so much more complicated over its DF version that its not as fun
minor gust
not really they basically play the same
frosty basin
I have to think of to much criteria to use some abilities instead of just using them
latent moss
Is it me or arms is so much more complicated over its DF version that its not as...
u can do well without thinking about them
but yeah there is more to think about for sure
frosty basin
yeah I know but its not how I play, I like to do good logs and be top on dmg and for that I have to think a lot more then I did in DF
latent moss
yep
minor gust
its just S3 DF
latent moss
press sd if:
falling off
2 stacks
jugg falling off
3x mfe
a lot more stuff to track compared to s3
s3 u just sent on cd everything
exe is just making sure to send op with opportunist above 80 and not overcap on MP
minor gust
meant exe is just S3 DF
minor gust
yeah sure its just not much more than what we were used too
latent moss
sks<85 op with opp<80
i like pressing op with opportunist
in exe
i hate seeing 4 rage on my rage bar
and op helps :3
minor gust
I do want exe exe exe ms back.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1042762634539319366/1053485451668901988/20221217_013459.gif
75% per EP stack when
white anvil
there is no thinking present
maybe using your overpower and execute stacks on a buffed bladestorm idk sometimes i ms and realize i lost like 5 dps since i gotta recharge my bs
shadow ibex
I do want exe exe exe ms back.
very fluid
latent moss
have u tried it without wf
it was cinema
do one rotation
sit on 20 rage for 20 seconds
minor gust
Blue man was indeed required
latent moss
(still is)
latent moss
facts
frosty basin
Execute rotation in DF was nice, here if you have 4set its not so nice
atomic mountain
Execute rotation in DF was nice, here if you have 4set its not so nice
ill just go on like i am doing now cause that minimum dmg increase makes no diff for me... Better play a rotation safe and consitent than fucking up your whole exe phase cause of 1-3% dmg inc
severe nymph
how do i sim for upcoming patch
dire hinge
how do i sim for upcoming patch
what are you trying to sim exactly?
balmy kindle
Is crafting Ascension worth instead of duskthread Vers (assuming I main arms, but want to be able to flex into fury)
balmy kindle
2 charged claymores eh
atomic mountain
Embelisments: Yes i have read the guide fully....
I do M+ and Mythic raiding. and i still dont know which combi (wrist-swort or wrist-back)
Is the versa buff that hige for us? it feels like i get like no heal and under 80% life we dont profit from this anymore
thick kelp
Which one do you care about more
balmy kindle
u need 1 with ascension and 1 some other piece with writhing armor banding
Oh I get it, Ascension on weapon, the other one writhing for increased effect of embel
latent moss
yep
thick kelp
Your weekly +10 will not be depleted because you had ascension over duskthread
If you just wanted to push rank 1 keys from day 1 then go dusk
latent moss
your weekly +17 will not be depleted because you had ascension over duskthread too
well not weekly ig
atomic mountain
Which one do you care about more
what do you care about more?
atomic mountain
okay. so do you even change the weapon if you get a 639 wep?
latent moss
isnt pretty much everyone crafting a weapon
thick kelp
thick kelp
isnt pretty much everyone crafting a weapon
Yeah
latent moss
should be ez to get for fury
atomic mountain
and would you say i should wait for 636 upgrad item or craft directly and recraft later?
latent moss
wait
balmy kindle
isnt pretty much everyone crafting a weapon
U can always open your crate and find a 616 weapon ( your average Joe)
latent moss
ye but thats not myth track now is it
thick kelp
Why get 636 when you can get 616!
latent moss
point is fury can 639 mainhand and 636 crafted offhand
thick kelp
You have the best excuse to loot mythic weapon
latent moss
You have the best excuse to loot mythic weapon
nah i will have someone in raid without a craft on mythic
and he will take it
from first boss
instead of just giving it to me for fury
thick kelp
🎦
latent moss
🎦
(happened with a ring already)
lost 2nd boss ring
to a guy that replaced it with a m0 drop
🎦
thick kelp
pilav xD emote
shadow ibex
our DK officer fed himself transmitter and 4pc then left
latent moss
:based:
thick kelp
Baseg
fossil thistle
serene zodiac
gusty oxide
NExt week is where i fall of the train, i will most likely not be able to push up to +10
austere willow
With the latest changes, do we know the difference in multi target between arms and fury? Is it marginal at this point?
gusty oxide
Fury will still be undisputed king of burst aoe damages
On the long run, it's a bit closer
austere willow
Though ST is on Arms afaik
mild sierra
I can see Arms being better on Silken Court
thick kelp
Cant stack bosses on mythic
gusty oxide
ST is undisputed for arms, even before the fury nerfs
thick kelp
But its still better ST so yes
mild sierra
Cant stack bosses on mythic
I cant see Arms being better on Silken Court
atomic mountain
if you watch allround dps in bossights is fury. if you do change settings on PUR Boss dmg arms is higher
gusty oxide
Arms would be better only on Nexus princess...and bloodbound horror, mayyyybe?
mild sierra
Sikran is Pure ST aswell
gusty oxide
Oh and Sikran yeah
gusty oxide
But bloodbound and sikran behind boss number 2 and 3 , they will die in a few tries in the race
balmy kindle
Fury is just so ahead on some bosses
Nerf bat inc
atomic mountain
Fury is just so ahead on some bosses
pur boss dmg on queen
atomic mountain
pur boss dmg on queen
if you look for all dmg done in queen fight fury is 1st XD
mild sierra
You will never not play fury on queen tho
Ofc fury isnt top boss dmg when u solo adds
atomic mountain
You will never not play fury on queen tho
i will give a fuck on fury on queen tho 😄
latent moss
it would be close to arms on boss dam
gusty oxide
Yeah but, getting the adds down quickly is improtant too.
Only looking at damage done to a boss is dangerous, imo
latent moss
it just makes no sense to play it like that when u can obliterate the adds instead
atomic mountain
Yeah but, getting the adds down quickly is improtant too.
Only looking at damag...
the raid does not exist only from a single arms or fury. if this realy makes the difference they should buff arms aoe
balmy kindle
the raid does not exist only from a single arms or fury. if this realy makes the...
More likely fury gets more nerfs knowing blizzard
shadow ibex
yup
fresh spire
dense nimbus
So gents hows arms vs fury doing after the recent nerfs
midnight kraken
dense nimbus
what 2nd item do we preff? wrists or back?
Tbh what youre missing the most ilvl and stat wise
thick kelp
<a:warrior:761040892970139649>
Wrong channel bud, its Arms tier
fresh spire
midnight kraken
Wrong channel bud, its Arms tier
dense nimbus
Clossus ST coming up?
thick kelp
<:copium:839076283467431956>
manic stirrup
Wrong channel bud, its Arms tier
its dn tier jajajajajaj
dense nimbus
It's like. Fury now but 3% worse
Bah damn it
thick kelp
its dn tier jajajajajaj
Pile on
atomic mountain
Tbh what youre missing the most ilvl and stat wise
nah not what we are missing. is it mor wort wearing the crafted back or the rare back from raid
atomic mountain
Clossus ST coming up?
hope not and till now no
thick kelp
nah not what we are missing. is it mor wort wearing the crafted back or the rare...
Its the most worth wearing the piece where you gain the most damage by crafting a piece there
If the biggest damage gain for me is to craft a helmet for the nerub armor patch im crafting a helmet
dense nimbus
nah not what we are missing. is it mor wort wearing the crafted back or the rare...
Lucky me got that thing as a warbound drop
dense nimbus
If the biggest damage gain for me is to craft a helmet for the nerub armor patch...
Short term yes
Long term no
atomic mountain
If the biggest damage gain for me is to craft a helmet for the nerub armor patch...
i am watching for longtherm not for insta dmg increase
dense nimbus
Long term means you craft a piece that you cant find in dungeons or raid that have the stats that you want
latent moss
long term means just crafting a low impact piece that u wont replace
wrists cloak feet
atomic mountain
wrists cloak feet
and thats my question. do i better take wrist cause of rare cloak? allround bis says no and i should craft back. feels kinda wrong
atomic mountain
and thats my question. do i better take wrist cause of rare cloak? allround bis ...
if i watch for only raid bis. we wear the rare cloak
dense nimbus
Is your choice only between cloak and wrist?
manic stirrup
craft wrists
dense nimbus
Yes youre very toxic
Although it doesnt make sense
But you are!
You dont caps lock the fucking
Btw off topic but
Did they announce anything about the raid lockout reset bug that happened this week?
chilly parcel
Just for my understanding: in the ST Slayer Build - is there a reason to use Bladestorm BEFORE Avatar? Always use Avatar -> BS, right?
IF those align
regal stump
Why the f demolish cant be cast while moving? Who thought it a good idea to give a melee class a channeling stationary ability while fists of fury exist?
sly venture
Why the f demolish cant be cast while moving? Who thought it a good idea to give...
We had Fyralath for like more than half a year. We are used to it. And Colossus is weaker anyway.
But it needs improvement for sure.
regal stump
Yeah I know but would help indeed to make it not feel bad to play
sly venture
For the Warrior class In Swtor, another mmo from 2011, Demolish is called Ravager or Master Strike (depending on faction) though only single target, but is the exact same ability. Some expansions later they actually changed it so you can move and channel it. Will maybe happen here as well.
quasi torrent
Why the f demolish cant be cast while moving? Who thought it a good idea to give...
hey technically u can cast it while moving
it applies a -200% movement speed modifier
so technically youre not rooted.
just get more speed FRFRFR
steep osprey
gusty oxide
So gents hows arms vs fury doing after the recent nerfs
Pretty much the same as before
Arms winning ST, Fury winning AOE
copper ocean
is arms rotation harder than fury?
balmy kindle
Why play the 4 button spec that's going to get the nerf bat
balmy kindle
is arms rotation harder than fury?
Arms is easier tbh
copper ocean
Arms is easier tbh
How is that possible fury is just mashing Raging blow and rampage
balmy kindle
Like if you are someone who never touches warriors fury does look pretty op on meters
balmy kindle
How is that possible fury is just mashing Raging blow and rampage
Yea but I would argue with arms u don't need to break your fingers to do damage
copper ocean
Yea but I would argue with arms u don't need to break your fingers to do damage
Arms hits harder but less apm is what you're saying?
or bleeds
i have no idea what arms does
balmy kindle
Yes sir and I don't think it's an unpopular opinion
copper ocean
how bad is the transition from fury to arms with this stats?
dense nimbus
you gona need alot more crit
copper ocean
How much is okay
balmy kindle
Arms has alot of weight in crit and haste while fury likes haste and mastery so yeahhh
dense nimbus
unlimited crit haste
balmy kindle
How much is okay
U probably need to SIM it
atomic mountain
How much is okay
as much as you can
copper ocean
atomic mountain
need to farm gear first
best way now with m+
atomic mountain
u smart for fury player
XD
copper ocean
im the top 1%
atomic mountain
thats why he wanna swapp
tropic dew
braincell divived, now has two, arms it goes
manic stirrup
how bad is the transition from fury to arms with this stats?
stats dont matter
sim your gear
crit sims low for me
copper ocean
mental breakdowns all around the fury tab
tropic dew
just hoarding gear now to even out the next buffs/nerfs
manic stirrup
for a basic sim yeah
balmy kindle
mental breakdowns all around the fury tab
Why, as an arms main I would say fury is probably still good, just not op now
manic stirrup
top gear compares gear in your inventory
droptimizer compares gear you can get as a drop
copper ocean
Gotcha thanks
mild umbra
Why, as an arms main I would say fury is probably still good, just not op now <:...
Still op in more than half of the raid, and will prob be nerfed again after wf folks bring 3 of them lmao
balmy kindle
Still op in more than half of the raid, and will prob be nerfed again after wf f...
For me the OD enrage TD bladestorm thing is pretty bonkers aoe burst with just 4 buttons and 3 gcds, they cant let this slide
thick hamlet
mild umbra
For me the OD enrage TD bladestorm thing is pretty bonkers aoe burst with just ...
Sadly they are tuning the whole spec for a dumb raid design
balmy kindle
Like if u are not familiar with how fury works, you look at meters and be like reee fury oo
Op
mild umbra
And obviously will gut him on m+ and stuff
Wow it can melt mobs that live for 3 seconds
Good lol
balmy kindle
Ikr, it's the same logic blizz does with MM hunters (rip)
mild umbra
The incompetence
balmy kindle
Oh your class has big on demand aoe that allows for massive pad ? Nerf bat 
mild umbra
Since they designed more than half of the raid that way
mild umbra
Oh your class has big on demand aoe that allows for massive pad ? Nerf bat <:Pep...
I remember same thing happened on df s1
Before m+ iirc
Fury got gutted 3 times
balmy kindle
Blizz should just let specs be specs and let them enjoy their niche.
If I see fury topping the meters it's more of : cool guy knows how to play
mild umbra
Yep, it's not like every raid or situation will be favorable to this
I'm curious to see how will perform on m+ compared to havoc, ret etc
Where mobs wont die on 3 secs
balmy kindle
True, but if it's any solace havoc and ret are kind of eh at the moment so... Hard to say
balmy kindle
Blizz be like : I heard you guys love throw glaive
mild umbra
Omg
balmy kindle
Ret is all flash but the numbers are kind of eh
balmy kindle
I don't play DH so I wouldn't know, but I think the spec just plays kind of wonky atm
It does damage though
hard kernel
There opener is like 8 buttons before actually pressing The Hunt
mild umbra
There opener is like 8 buttons before actually pressing The Hunt
Interesting
Only class I despise is dk since they can't fix that ducking dnd
Just make that shit passive like ret
Fucking annoying
hard kernel
D&D is much better now and you do get it passively if you play Riders. The fact it lasts 3 seconds when walking out of it is decent, still annoying, but not as bad as it used to be
balmy kindle
Unholy feels nice tho NGL
balmy kindle
If by straight forward you mean press minimum buttons and stuff explodes yeaa
mild umbra
If by straight forward you mean press minimum buttons and stuff explodes yeaa
Exactly
quick vale
if I've got 2 stacks of EP and MS is on cooldown, what am I doing with the spare GCD? Another execute, overpower, slam?
balmy kindle
Iirc u cast execute
But I can be wrong
But if you have opportunist talented, you would wanna consume the OP proc if it's up in this case
hard kernel
crit haste rings
tranquil sundial
Yeah
hard kernel
crit haste everywhere
tranquil sundial
Wanted to focus more on fury before so haste mastery but I think arms most fights and fury some fights might be the way now
empty sluice
with fury being nerfed
It doesnt change anything imo, last boss is build for fury
soft dew
I think fury will still be better overall for the raid
tranquil sundial
meaningfull dam tho?
empty sluice
Yea maybe not for 1-2 bosses
empty sluice
meaningfull dam tho?
It wont be meaningful in mythic imo, and you are Not behind on st anyway
quick vale
Yet. Not behind yet.
empty sluice
tranquil sundial
yeah but it aint meaningful and fury is already behind arms in prio dam, doesn't that makes arms more relevant?
soft dew
Just depends on what your raid needs
quick vale
also depends on the encounter
empty sluice
You bring other classes for st prio, you bring fury exactly for this meaningful dmg so other wont care about it
tranquil sundial
Fair enough
empty sluice
But to be fair playing arms on last boss is painful If you can just play fury there
mild umbra
You are just griefing your group by going arms on last boss
Is a perfect fight for fury
quick vale
why?
mild umbra
Mobs align perfectly why your cds, you are the best aoe machine spec thetr
Let other specs that don't have a choice do their thing
Fury can pretty much solo the mech
soft dew
Fury is built for it yeah
quick vale
what exactly are we bringing to the party these days then?
mild umbra
Burst aoe
quick vale
i use arms as my "we don't need another tank right now" build
soft dew
I think he meant arms
quick vale
yeah arms
mild umbra
Arms? St
soft dew
Arms still has better st/execute
mild umbra
^
mild umbra
so phase 3 in ansurek is for us
But the dif you will make won't be nearly as impactiful for your group
quick vale
of course
soft dew
Fury can deal with a mech by itself, that's so valuable
quick vale
but is it worth having an otherwise arms-geared fury warrior who picks up a spare 2H just for that fight?
mild umbra
Depends on the comp
soft dew
I'd say play what you want in the end
mild umbra
Fury is better ( way better)on 5 out of 8 fights
soft dew
Fury is great for that fight that's certain, but arms isn't shit either
quick vale
I think I'm at a point where my rotation and coolodn management is more of a liability than my spec right now
mild umbra
As arms is just not like "OMG WE NEED AN ARMS ON THE ROSTER"
Its just another dps, yay
soft dew
Arms has rarely been way better than fury, I feel like it has no niche in this raid (2T cleave doesn't exist here)
hearty palm
Hi guys im new to arms. I was maining furry but its boring. I cant do good damage with arms. What is main idea of arms for dealing damage
soft dew
maintaining rend, pressing buttons on cd
mild umbra
Press buttons
soft dew
focus on MS and execute, overpower to fill gcds and slam(fuck slam) do dump rage when you have nothing else
I'd just look at what wowhead suggest
hearty palm
maintaining rend, pressing buttons on cd
I dont understand aoe dps. I am maintaining rend with Thunder Clap but what is main aoe damage deal button? For example on furry we press one button and every other st abilities become aoe
empty sluice
“Big”
hard kernel
Cleave, tc, sweeping strikes, regular rotation, cleave, blah blah blah
soft dew
yeah
hard kernel
bladestorm is a button too
hard kernel
sucks that ss doesn't work with unhinged anymore
soft dew
True
hearty palm
Another question. Is arms warri viable for raid and m+ as furry?
hard kernel
Brother it only matters if you're doing like 15s+ or Mythic Raid
Play what you find fun
Player > Spec
soft dew
^
hearty palm
I dont think so for me. Because when damage meters show my terrible dps its become nightmare XD
hard kernel
Thats a player issue.
soft dew
The more you play the better you get
hard kernel
My issue is that I struggle with picking a spec because i'm a jack of all trades when it comes to classes, besides paladin. I've never played pally.
I'm decent at every spec / class but not fantastic at any of them
soft dew
It's pretty hard to stay on one spec/class
I found warrior but I was changing every patch in the past
wet orchid
Is colossus going to be competitive with Wednesday changes ?
hearty palm
I played all classes but im fell in love with arms because of class fantasy if i can solve this dps problem it will be my all season main
soft dew
Is colossus going to be competitive with Wednesday changes ?
Not yet, still behind #updates-midnight
hard kernel
It's pretty hard to stay on one spec/class
I played feral druid for 10 years.
misty bridge
Is colossus going to be competitive with Wednesday changes ?
Slayer is still ahead, Colossus is okayge in m+
hard kernel
Only going into DF did I start hopping around from class to class
hearty palm
with recent buffs and nerfs can arms play colossus?
misty bridge
They always could
soft dew
Playing feral for years, damn, you're courageous
unique bridge
no they've actually removed the option for colossus
soft dew
Colossus is close enough
unique bridge
grave mulch
Colossus is close enough
for raid?
soft dew
If you like it it's close enough
grave mulch
not at all
misty bridge
It's a gap you likely won't notice if you have to ask 😛
soft dew
^
hearty palm
Its 8% behind Slayer.
Recent buffs?
grave mulch
Recent buffs?
weak wave
We will have to wait until 1-2 weeks into M+ and Mythic Raid
empty swift
Yo the archi on wowhead rotation said thunderous roar before avatar and Csmash, is roar not modified anymore?
soft dew
modified? wdym?
You can just send it, it's going to adapt to your cds etc
I think you sent it after CS when using ToM
empty swift
As in didn't roar damage used to be buffed with avatar and stuff
misty bridge
The initial hit of TR is so minor that you do not want to waste a gcd to TR in your CS window
soft dew
Yeah it's all about the DoT
tight igloo
How do you aquire the harmoized silks on alts to create set piece? I have one on my main and got the cataclyst unlocked on my alt but cant see that I have any silk on it when checknig in currency
atomic mountain
but maybe colossus can be easier to play
why easyer? you are stuck and cant move. possability to get cc there is to high. slayer is so much easyer XD
hearty palm
why easyer? you are stuck and cant move. possability to get cc there is to high....
for aoe?
atomic mountain
for both
1st of all you are not animation stuck and you have a passive. all people explain about 2 active trinkeds but wanna play colossos.
always depend on what you like and love
thick hamlet
fellas during execute you mortal strike with 2 stacks of overpower and EP only, right?
atomic mountain
fellas during execute you mortal strike with 2 stacks of overpower and EP only, ...
you have 4P set?
thick hamlet
no
thick hamlet
only MS to refresh rend
atomic mountain
yes
thick hamlet
what about 2p, 4p etc
atomic mountain
4pc you'll MS on 2 Lethal Blow + 2 Executioners Precision stacks
atomic mountain
what do you mean
thick hamlet
ok i see
during execute, only MS with 4p 2stacks, 2EP stacks, and obviously 2stacks of martial prowess (probably happening anyway with 4p)
anything else?
atomic mountain
anything else?
no. just keep your CDs rolling beside this
spare laurel
aww rip, thought it might surpass slayer with the buffs
atomic mountain
without set. exe and ms only to refresh rend (in exe phase)
acoustic mulch
so execute will be (if enough rage) exe exe exe til dw or rend will fall? or exe exe ms exe exe ms? and in between OP opportunist procs?
atomic mountain
so execute will be (if enough rage) exe exe exe til dw or rend will fall? or exe...
without set the first
atomic mountain
4pc you'll MS on 2 Lethal Blow + 2 Executioners Precision stacks
with set MS on 2 Lethal Blow + 2 Executioners Precision stacks and beside this exe exe exe exe
frosty basin
you need OP too
acoustic mulch
nice thank you, so i can buff my bossdmg 🫶
atomic mountain
nice thank you, so i can buff my bossdmg 🫶
dont think it will be much dmg XD
misty bridge
with set MS on 2 Lethal Blow + 2 Executioners Precision stacks and beside this e...
also be aware when to OP and SKS
acoustic mulch
😂
stark shadow
Are you guys tracking jugg as arms ?
soft dew
Yeah
atomic mountain
Are you guys tracking jugg as arms ?
siii
soft dew
I mean it's better to try to keep it up
It's easy during execute but outside of it you might need to prio using a sudden death proc for it
atomic mountain
Gotta get that gonna start playing arms for ST fights
nice decision. Arms popping of at 35% HP left on boss 😄
grave mulch
Everyone jumping to arms because fury being nerfed is funny
atomic mountain
Everyone jumping to arms because fury being nerfed is funny
that nerv does fucking nothing XD
grave mulch
Average flavor of the month enjoyers
stark shadow
nice decision. Arms popping of at 35% HP left on boss 😄
I mean I never really liked the Fury ST either so I am trying this
grave mulch
Im aware what the nerfs do but others dont and jump ship soon they feel shit hits the fan and things get nerfed and people feel its unplayable
soft dew
The nerf is barely one
The part I don't enjoy is that our 4P, for both fury and arms, is shite
atomic mountain
The part I don't enjoy is that our 4P, for both fury and arms, is shite
yes. thats why blizz try to turn down fury a bit so both are at the same state. they will stay strong now but in 1-2 month wehn everyone got his gear and 4PC warry will be only B+ Tier
soft dew
Enh is going to be bonkers with their 4P
atomic mountain
Shamans getting like 15-17%
we get a shit with 1-3% XD
i already sayed in my raid ill pass on set till all important klasses got it. i dont change my rota and playstyle only fpr 1-3%
only to lose dmg cause i never played the changed rota
fresh spire
Enhance 4p value tanked with last nerf
Since feral spriits interaction was halfed on cd
They take like a 10% nerf on reset
tropic eagle
Reding the fury channel of our brothers has been good entertainment for the past week
soft dew
Reding the fury channel of our brothers has been good entertainment for the past...
So much dooming
untold trench
Not as much dooming, as being annoyed by dam profile changes in the name of "balance"
tropic eagle
People just see it performs well ofc it feels good to pump you are gonna be said when they take away right
But if you look at the performances its clear it needs to be tuned down a bit
soft dew
^
untold trench
Raid was designed for fury to shine, ofc it will shine
pseudo fulcrum
FAX THANK YOU
tropic eagle
So was low M+ by that logic ^^
untold trench
So what happens is ya let the bird fly, get annoyed, so you clip their wings for all content
Crit says arms better than fury for m+, ya be happy. Fury allowed to be sad
soft dew
He says arms could be better
tropic eagle
Fury is still gonna be better in low M+
untold trench
Crit never wrong
soft dew
Fury is still tankier than Arms
tropic eagle
If the mobs live long enough arms will pull ahead yes
atomic mountain
Crit never wrong
but he saied in higher tier.
2+ - 8+ safe fury is lead
untold trench
All hail the king of the losers
tropic eagle
Trueeee git gut
atomic mountain
Why would you play 2+- 8+
caus in 10 are the HP numbers so highe that burst runss out
halcyon breach
quick break
uncut shard
okay done
halcyon breach
demon
gusty oxide
Shaman at 15% with tier set is no longer true
they got slashed hard
Only Deva is getting a two digit gain now
And i just saw someone posted the updated chart
atomic mountain
fury channel is like watching a nice movie 😄
soft dew
This one has been going around for a while haha
tropic eagle
Its so entertaining
gusty oxide
But i do think we will get buffs, someday or another
soft dew
Shaman at 15% with tier set is no longer true
It's still 8%
tropic eagle
Just rework demolish, all I ask
soft dew
But yeah not 17% haha
steel elk
Just woke up. Did this nerf put Fury under Arms?
soft dew
No
gusty oxide
Nothing has changed
soft dew
Depends on where
uncut shard
Just woke up. Did this nerf put Fury under Arms?
Yes
gusty oxide
ST = Arms
AOE = Fury