Sounds good to me
#arms
gusty oxide
For the raid, it's a boss per boss case
But i think slayer would still be the go to
Again, BS nerf is...not big at all for us
cloud gyro
it was already good
gusty oxide
it was already the pick for M+ yes
But yeah, Blizzard has connected their brain and only hit Fury
carmine rose
Sooooo arms for st fury still for aoe
cloud gyro
arms for pros, fury for noobs
edgy solstice
Slayer def still ahead in raid but colossus was already competing in dungeons
so this might keep it even or give colo a little edge maybe
assuming you dont botch any demolishs
thick meteor
dont read it we dooming
fringe moon
I don't think it will either. Slayer was already 10% ahead
gusty oxide
yeah
BS nerf is like, 1% damage for us in ST?
A bit more maybe
It's so low in our damage done
for pure ST
cloud gyro
In my logs its around 0.6-0.8%
gusty oxide
( it's my parse from the princess)
cloud gyro
on pure ST
tranquil sundial
gusty oxide
Fury chat is unhinged, lol
weak wave
This trinket doesn't appear at bloodmallet and raidbots don't know it either
cloud gyro
Nope
mild sierra
This place is more chill indeed
gusty oxide
Fury refugee?
cloud gyro
Go back to fury
gusty oxide
Come in, we chill
gusty oxide
Colossus was our pick for M+, so even better
frank fog
@weak wave Id help you with that trinket but I dont understand what laguage that is.
steep osprey
Hmm
cloud gyro
m+ buffs, raid nerfs (0.6-1%)
proven cloak
its german xD
lunar vessel
ST slayer is still ahead
sad
vestal gyro
guys dont check the fury channel ...
frank fog
@proven cloak I assumed so... just didn't want to assume then get bitched at saying it's something else lol
echo island
guys dont check the fury channel ...
😄
severe nymph
is arms aoe competitive with fury in m+?
gusty oxide
that also means that prot got a small damage buff too
frank fog
Oh god I checked...
gusty oxide
cool
tacit cedar
I do like how we can get some absolutely ABSURD sudden death rng in raid though. Speaking of fun arms stuff lol
vestal gyro
they make also a hastag
gusty oxide
Fury would still remain spikey at aoe bursts, but less so
cloud gyro
guys they changed arms 2pc tier set: Now also buffs bladestorm by 10%
gusty oxide
frank fog
@weak wave I see it on Bloodmallet Arms list its the 18th one down the list.
frank fog
They seem to already be doing that... then again fury warrior players are like Orange cats... they share the brain cell 🤣
weak wave
<@273857369111527424> I see it on Bloodmallet Arms list its the 18th one down th...
Hmm I don't
Nor is it in my sim
frank fog
@weak wave https://imgur.com/DWtLRTy
fresh tide
Outside of the egg trinket the passive options are down horrendous
quartz canopy
some of the delve trinkets are so bad that it surprises me
tired storm
This trinket doesn't appear at bloodmallet and raidbots don't know it either
bro nobody knows this trinket
gusty oxide
I love how Archi is busy calming the fury enjoyers down, while here, we chill
Now buff MS blizzard, thanks.
frank fog
lmao
next sphinx
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230008337517514772/1276298205088317533/S...
Damn I love this gif
minor gust
fading sage
Omg, I spent 20sec in there and it’s a bloodbath lord lol
gusty oxide
I was gonna post it in fury channel, i wil avoid
solemn fractal
I love how Archi is busy calming the fury enjoyers down, while here, we chill
They rather die from threat on every pull
gusty oxide
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1042069193392136223/...
it was me during the echo splits topping the dps meter
worldly kernel
This channel is always pretty quiet unless there’s a significant buff or change then it’s like 50 people talking at once
worldly kernel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1042069193392136223/...
gusty oxide
We're arms, we're calm, we're one with the blade
weak wave
bro nobody knows this trinket
Well its not bad
cloud gyro
@weak wave @frank fog this interaction between you two is so precious
uncut pasture
demolish rising or is slayer still better for incoming tuning?
frank fog
@cloud gyro Look man I'm tryin to help 😂
tired storm
Well its not bad
I just can't read german
cloud gyro
demolish still good for dungeons, slayer still good for raid
mossy vale
I hope demolish gets closer to Slayer in terms of DPS. I just love pressing that button.
gusty oxide
demolish rising or is slayer still better for incoming tuning?
For short : Slayer still way ahead for ST
Colossus a bit better in M+
minor gust
I wish upon every colossus enjoyers a parried Demolish
cloud gyro
theres no way it can get parried
minor gust
it can
gusty oxide
it can
gusty oxide
Well, as long as you're hitting the back of a boss, you're fine
But it cannot be garanted 100% of the time
frank fog
Look... Arms and Fury are temporary. We all know that the true warrior enjoyer is waiting for Gladiator Stance to make its glorious return.
minor gust
an ?? mob can parry
that includes last boss in Dawnbreaker
that your forced to fight infront of
cloud gyro
yeah ok then it makes sense
minor gust
as long as the possibillity exists that in the same pull your CS and Demolish can be parried Colossus forever shit to play in my mind
gusty oxide
There's a few movement trick for colossus SMASH
fringe moon
are delves fixed yet?
frank fog
I don't think so? Atleast according to my servers trade chat like 30min ago.
cloud gyro
There's a few movement trick for colossus SMASH
it also just has insane damage reduc on it
cloud gyro
yeah im facetanking everything
gusty oxide
Nah you can play with it, with good knownledge
quartz canopy
for delves just wait two minutes between every pull for cds, ez
cloud gyro
or just heroic throw and LoS every cast while brann takes aggro
quartz canopy
I'll be honest, I haven't even tried DPS Brann, maybe that would have made some of those delves easier
frank fog
Honestly the thing I enjoy the most so far from hero talents is Relentless Pursuit on Slayer. Remove all movement CC and 70% movespeed for 3 seconds has felt really nice.
cloud gyro
I'll be honest, I haven't even tried DPS Brann, maybe that would have made some ...
its kinda mandatory unless u wanna spend an hour in each delve
rapid bronze
Delves are perfectly fine the only problem is lieutenant mobs, there’s one in each delve, and they are way overtuned
You can skip a few with meld and such or blow everything on them and you’ll get them down
But you def have to pull around them
I play with healer bran with two cheat death related idols
cloud gyro
If they were perfectly fine you wouldnt have blizzard post "its a top priority to fix delves" on all communication channels
viscid meteor
s
cloud gyro
Thats part of the delve
gilded stump
Delves are perfectly fine the only problem is lieutenant mobs, there’s one in ea...
there are like 4 of them on 11
cloud gyro
You have to kite the boss to the entrance and die so u can release past them
gilded stump
And all of them are doable as prot
rapid bronze
Yeah there’s a part of delves that’s very challenging at our ilvl that doesn’t mean it’s not doable
normal marsh
I've managed to do a few T11 deathlesses and you really do have to cheese it, T8s were pretty much fine today across the board except maybe sinkhole with some abd elite spawns. They are probably harder than they need to be for the average player/moleman
rapid bronze
I personally bricked one and completed three
rapid bronze
I managed 3/4 solo today
solemn fractal
The heralds are messed up.
cloud gyro
I solod 4 aswell but it sucked ass to play
normal marsh
Yeah I definitely had an easier time yesterday, still managed it today, I'd like to keep the 9-11 difficulty higher but make the 8s easier imo for now
solemn fractal
Only change I like is that they removed the one-shot from the AoE fear the worms do.
cloud gyro
Its just shit content and way too hard/time consuming for what its meant to be
sturdy flicker
normal marsh
Its just shit content and way too hard/time consuming for what its meant to be
That's just like, your opinion man
cloud gyro
And blizzards
normal marsh
The first part 'shit content'
cloud gyro
Thats why they have it as a top priority to fix it
clever birch
What is the amount of rage generated by Arms' auto attack?
steep osprey
Okay yeah
vale gorge
Yeaaah nerf again, Being B+ is still too for arm warior in the eyes of blizzard.
steep osprey
That’s not really a nerf worthy of a mention lol
It’s like .5%
Practically nothing
minor gust
^
vale gorge
It's not like it's the meta spec atm
gusty oxide
We will be midd'e of the pack at full gear
vestal gyro
for us i think its same think still alive after the hammer
dire hinge
Arms channel good 
vestal gyro
fury channel probably go to arcane mage
dire hinge
for us i think its same think still alive after the hammer
not even a hammer really, like a slight breeze of wind
rapid bronze
Fury channel is in meltdown
vale gorge
actual tuning impact:
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/123494905...
I'm surprise that the impact is dat low on fury's damage
dire hinge
what happens in there is none of my business, i need to keep my braincells in tact
halcyon valve
Arms stays winning
gusty oxide
Fury got a slap on their wrist, we got a small tickling. Everything is fine
rapid bronze
It makes me sad how every season they get lulled into complacency by decent tuning at launch
halcyon valve
Fury got a slap on their wrist, we got a small tickling. Everything is fine
Plus the singletarget performance of our hero talents is a little bit closer together than before
fresh tide
More colossus buffs pls
rapid bronze
I do wonder how close we are in mythics for aoe arms slayer and fury slayer
halcyon valve
More colossus buffs pls <a:ragey:1198213371154153484>
I want to live in a 50 million aoe dmg demolish world
dire hinge
halcyon valve
Also cleave crits are still so much fun with all the buffs
Had a 2.5 mill cleave crit yesterday, love to see it
rapid bronze
Are you playing demolish in m0 hroth?
silver cove
Had a 2.5 mill cleave crit yesterday, love to see it
im thinking of going arms after the patch, maybe it will be the best idea ?
dire hinge
Are you playing demolish in m0 hroth?
things die too fast in M0 at the moment so i'm doing Slayer since it's not as cooldown dependent, but also it doesn't matter much for m0s
normal marsh
for m0s just happily follow your ret friends as they delete every pack in a micro second
dire hinge
i definitely prefer colossus though
wish it wasn't almost double-digit percents behind slayer
minor gust
its 8% now Mr Hrothmar
summer quartz
dire hinge
its 8% now Mr Hrothmar
if you turn it sideways its inifinity %
river lichen
What talent for leveling for arms do i want to go as from 70-80 also hero talents
river lichen
bingo bongo:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/dps-leveling-tip...
who this i never seen you before here
dire hinge
always!
river lichen
are arms warrior any good in raid for st ?
dire hinge
Good enough, fury is better suited for boss+add handling due to their cooldown alignments and ease of flexing into AoE on a whim
but arms does perfectly fine
rapid bronze
You can always make up on unethical add padding during execute phase
cold narwhal
its okey to get a hang of it helped me for the first 2 days at least
dire hinge
are hekili addon any good for tww for arms
Hekili isn't inheritly bad as a tool, but it takes some practice and knowledge to understand how to use it to its full potential.
It's perfectly fine to use, but be aware that it doesn't have an understanding of things like, "adds will spawn soon", so you might use your cooldowns at inopportune times. Generally it's fine, but it has pitfalls.
cold narwhal
but then when i learned the patterns just made a few wa to track stuff and turned it off after
For instance on the last boss if you delay the bladestorm when it tells you to for 5 seconds you will do like 4x dmg because you will have it during web brake
on both webs it lines up perfectly but hekili doesnt count for that
river lichen
are arms easyer to paly then fury in raid ?
shadow ibex
wow that tuning was fast
shut shore
are arms easyer to paly then fury in raid ?
No, arms isn’t hard. But fury is like, in the trinity of easiest to play specs in the game
Alongside its brothers bm and ret
orchid lion
wish stat prio was the same so I can play both
grave mulch
No
blazing plume
That would be nice
grand idol
It’s a very small loss every time I sim haste mastery for arms on crafted pieces
frank fog
@grave mulch Fury just got nerfed
minor gust
wish stat prio was the same so I can play both
Stats arent as important as you think just have a 2nd set of rings and neck and your more than fine
grave mulch
<@173576002746843136> Fury just got nerfed
really :O?? Link notes
orchid lion
Stats arent as important as you think just have a 2nd set of rings and neck and ...
good to know
frank fog
@grave mulch https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-for-mythic-week-boomkin-buffed-dps-warrior-nerfed-346658
here ya go
grave mulch
TRUEEEE ty Bozo i just woke up xD
fresh tide
it's better to start good and get nerfs tbh, they always put the kid gloves on for buffs
grave mulch
Why do we cop a nerf
shadow ibex
arms BS caught a stray
orchid lion
that's two now..lol
smoky kayak
arms BS caught a stray
it basically is, yeah - BS has the same coefficient for both specs, and they don't have any good spec specific tuning knobs for it atm
grave mulch
arms BS caught a stray
a move in the right direction?
fossil fable
we got a SS nerf
shadow ibex
surely they can let it be its not like arms is holding a candle to fury aoe rn
shut shore
They assumed all the fury players would just reroll arms and it would take its place on the chart, which, I mean, they are prob right tbh. That said i don’t think these numbers are super accurate given the lack of tier gear still
frank fog
Was thinking about the tuning knobs today hoping they adjusted the spec ones first before the overall class. Glad Arms didnt get caught too much in the crossfire.
fresh tide
a move in the right direction?
prot buffs in disguise
latent moss
They assumed all the fury players would just reroll arms and it would take its p...
fury still gonna top
shut shore
fury still gonna top
I haven’t looked into the size of the nerfs, so I can’t comment there
edgy solstice
Fury still gonna top padding fights and lose on ST fights so nothing really changed
Specifically in terms of arms vs fury ofc
frank fog
@shut shore #updates-midnight Can see em right there I believe.
edgy solstice
Arms comes out of this looking relatively better? Just a guess. Arcane and fdk were nerfed as well
snow panther
is arms easier than fury?
fossil fable
its kinda mandatory unless u wanna spend an hour in each delve
was running healer Bran until I read this and guess what, dps sure did better lol
shadow ibex
Arms comes out of this looking relatively better? Just a guess. Arcane and fdk w...
we cant lose when we get colossus buffs 
grave mulch
is arms easier than fury?
You require Wrist straps to play fury if that answers the question
snow panther
I dont like pressing to many buttons
frank fog
@edgy solstice Can see the quick math as the most recent post in the channel #updates-midnight Slap on the wrist for both specs really.
grave mulch
I dont like pressing to many buttons
Look it like this Arms might have a APM of 40 per min. Fury has 100 APM
edgy solstice
Yeah I moreso mean comparatively to other specs that were above us and got nerfed
I'm not sure on their exact hits but arms stonks could be going up despite being nerfed
shadow ibex
arms ST is still hot
manic stirrup
is arms easier than fury?
theyre both very easy
edgy solstice
Yeah bladestorm hit is tuff but you weren't playing arms in raid to pad aoe anyway
shadow ibex
it affects ST a bit but BS wasnt doin much of our ST %
manic stirrup
arms is still good anyways
frank fog
Yeah it wasnt too much of a nerf. If you look at the parse amounts for Fury vs Arms you can see that Fury has like 25000 and Arms has like 4500ish. People who play Arms tend to just want to play Arms.
manic stirrup
fury is pretty much always more popular even if arms is better
edgy solstice
ya
fossil fable
Look it like this Arms might have a APM of 40 per min. Fury has 100 APM
though I feel like fury rotation is easier
grave mulch
though I feel like fury rotation is easier
Its easier. its just spamming the F out of buttons
gusty oxide
fury being ontop
Simple. padding.
frank fog
It is what it is. I like Arms I play Arms... I'll only do Fury if Arms is SO bad that it looks like boomkin rn or straight up hinders my friends in the group content we do. I will play Arms and get KSM and AOTC just as easiliy as any fury player would.
gusty oxide
We lost less than 1% in ST
grave mulch
Simple. padding.
Oh 100% agreed.
gusty oxide
in other word, nothing
grave mulch
Boomies getting the 3rd rework in 2 years
minor kraken
I think our tier set is weak tbh compared to who we're competing with for the token.
Buff needed.
frank fog
King of getting reworked is Spriest. Played it for 2 xpacs and saw like 5 version of it.
fossil fable
just got a 1H sword from bount chest (loot was fury)
grave mulch
King of getting reworked is Spriest. Played it for 2 xpacs and saw like 5 versio...
its 100% boomies and ret pally
fossil fable
time to smf
devout jay
hey any of u have weakaura to show abbilities rotation, like what u click it will show without showing action bar
grave mulch
hey any of u have weakaura to show abbilities rotation, like what u click it wil...
yeah its
and reading wowhead guide
devout jay
idk but like this
the red circle
smone said it was weakaura
and i need to find it in discord
may smone got one
grave mulch
tbh i dont trustr that kinda stuff
soft dew
to show the last button you pressed or to show what you need to press?
devout jay
ah kk lemme check
soft dew
There's a wa called GCDHistory or so it seems
devout jay
The first one is an addon afaik
i cant find it
soft dew
i cant find it
devout jay
There's a wa called GCDHistory or so it seems
yea seems like that
aw
sweet lemme try
devout jay
https://wago.io/b9euX-znp
i got u man, thanks anyway, now i can hide my action bar with this wa ❤️
latent moss
last button i pressed
details has it
gusty oxide
Ah, a pass on trinkets
devout jay
details has it
how? teach me
marsh cedar
If I craft a weapon without a crest, can I recraft it with crest later?
manic stirrup
yes
devout jay
https://discord.gg/RbCZJtw
oh sorry, thought it was cata warrior server, cz i got this disc from google:(
flat willow
I will say, I feel like unhinged got nerfed cuz of fury and now bs got nerfed cuz of fury
I'd be pissed if arms gameplay wasn't so boring to begin with
river ridge
And I always forget about rend xd
Make a weak aura to remind you
flat willow
make a weak aura that screams MORE DOTS when there's 4 seconds left on rend
river ridge
That being said SKS can go diaf
flat willow
edgy solstice
yeah it's just button bloat
astral talon
Make a weak aura to remind you
Ye I just don't look at wa
hollow wave
I was seeing less druids lately, I guess they were all in your raid
devout jay
You can find it in details > options > streamer tools
ight lemme try
devout jay
You can find it in details > options > streamer tools
are u trying this on retail? cz i cant see any streamer tools on cata lol
dry frost
Oh on cata details might not have that plugin, I know its a thing for retail
devout jay
yea mb thought im in right disc lol
dire sedge
are u trying this on retail? cz i cant see any streamer tools on cata lol
try just doing /streamer that works on retail for me
devout jay
try just doing /streamer that works on retail for me
i tried
dire sedge
ah yeah idk then gg cataclysm 
minor kraken
Is it worth crafting wep with sigil embellishment using hc crests?
nova marsh
Is it worth crafting wep with sigil embellishment using hc crests?
I'd save till mythic crests
Just to avoid recrafts
minor kraken
I'd save till mythic crests
Im sure i wont get enough mythic crests for 2 weeks cuz its gonna cost 90 crests compared to hc's 45
severe nymph
where can i find the most up to date arms talents?
severe nymph
ty
nova marsh
you wanna know why
I love how both a buff to colossus and a nerf to slayer still results in it being massively rebind
Like God it's doomed
rapid bronze
As a colossus arms player:
Perhaps the most perfect gif that ever gifed
severe nymph
unlike fury, slamming is pretty common in arms ST isnt it?
edgy solstice
yeah it's a filler when no op/sks
severe nymph
i like arms but how does it fare on raid in cleave fights vs fury? I full cleared palace other night and was pumping as fury, unsure how arms would be
minor gust
I love how both a buff to colossus and a nerf to slayer still results in it bein...
Slayer was nerfed because Arms BS and Furys is the same. Arms was nerfed for the sins of Fury
severe nymph
the constant fury cleave felt dumb, cant imagine how arms would keep up, but then again, i dont play arms lol
severe nymph
fair
teal fossil
Arms just less bursty
minor kraken
I think it's preposterous that Fury's cleave is insanely high while still competing with Arms on ST.
It's unfair the nerfs to MS that we got in the last beta build before launch.
teal fossil
Also loses a bit more damage talenting into cleave for arms
manic stirrup
I think it's preposterous that Fury's cleave is insanely high while still compet...
i mean arms is still a good spec right now
i think the ms nerfs were fair but i think a power adjustment wouldve been better
furys 'niche' for the past handful of patches has been doing insane aoe with only losing a little bit of st
nova marsh
Slayer was nerfed because Arms BS and Furys is the same. Arms was nerfed for the...
Delete fury
manic stirrup
so if fury is even middle of the pack st they will be pretty good depending on how the raid bosses are
edgy solstice
fury is just designed better and has a way better talent tree. they don't sacrifice much when they opt for certain talents, st or aoe. you don't have to like fury to see that.
arms generally is all in on one or the other
slayer bladestorm is a wish come true in that regard tbh
nova marsh
Fury may be designed better and is somehow still kinda boring
And titans grip is goofy
minor kraken
Like in DF for raids Arms was noticeably better for 90% of the fights.
And was really close with Fury's prime in s3.
nova marsh
And yeah fury has actual good talent design. Which is what makes arms's tree all the more baffling
Tww changes piss me off still
minor kraken
Tww changes piss me off still
Agreed
nova marsh
They Essentially made a worse version of df arms
edgy solstice
Fury just flows really well. It's super smooth brain and a lot of people just love high apm, smash buttons, do big dam
nova marsh
Fury just flows really well. It's super smooth ~~brain~~ and a lot of people ju...
I've stopped liking high apm nowadays
manic stirrup
fury and arms have always been super close, one being chosen over the other depending on the boss fight
for the past few expansions
well, couple expansions
i dont know shit about bfa bc i was a pisslo noob
nova marsh
You started in bfa
edgy solstice
I think arms is the best it's been right now since prob early BFA?
manic stirrup
no but i was shit in bfa
edgy solstice
Design wise ofc
manic stirrup
I think arms is the best it's been right now since prob early BFA?
best in what capacity
edgy solstice
Not numbers or performance
manic stirrup
well design wsie is completely up for debate
nova marsh
I don't think it is
I'm mad they took dfs tree, which was bad, and then...made it worse by splitting up talents randomly
The only change I agree with mostly is dn and SoA being a choice node. Evreything else is so much "But WHY"
edgy solstice
I wasn't a fan of DF talents but rn we're not running fatality, can run bladestorm in a ST build and execute phase feels good
All improvements from DF
edgy solstice
Idk I fucking love it. The option to pump it on St or hold it for adds is flexibility. You can use it to get out of roots
minor kraken
The best iteration of Arms warrior was in SL from s2 and onwards. And played both Nfae and Kyrian in raid for ST and AoE fights.
In keys Kyrian Arms was a demon with mikanikos.
edgy solstice
SL S2 arms was good
minor kraken
Hell even Venth in s1 in raids was fun for me at least.
edgy solstice
SL s3 and 4 were not. Just spamming fervor 27 gcds in a row makes me wanna take a screwdriver to my eyeballs
nova marsh
Also honestly I thought df exe was perfectly fine
minor kraken
SL s3 and 4 were not. Just spamming fervor 27 gcds in a row makes me wanna take ...
That's fair
edgy solstice
I'll take cleave over fob/ww gameplay any day
minor kraken
s3 Arms tier was fun in keys just cleaving MS and executes from SD proc's was funny lol
minor kraken
I'll take cleave over fob/ww gameplay any day
I like both
nova marsh
All I want is for them to consolidate the old talents back where they were in df, remove fatality and give us a new "capstone" in its place
edgy solstice
Too much EP value pre-execute I think
minor gust
S3 comes to haunt us again
rose ibex
hello brave and smart warriors. I am a dumb warrior. I seem to only have 1 spark and 1 fractured spark of omen but I can't think of where I might get another fractured spark. Do you folks know what I might be missing to get one? :/
dire hinge
You started in bfa <:critcake:984549832511344640>
i started in shadowlands 
well, warrior in bfa*
i misunderstood the context
teal fossil
Miss shadowlands
nova marsh
i started in shadowlands <a:ExcitedBlushette:932414006679973888>
Tbh I just feel bad people missed legion
teal fossil
I love plausible deniability when I bottom dam
tacit cedar
hey did anyone sim how good earthen were for warriors or does it not matter
dire hinge
i was a blood dk in legion and i got my legendary a month late into prog when it finally dropped off a yellow goat.
season 1 was not fun
halcyon breach
hey did anyone sim how good earthen were for warriors or does it not matter
They are roughly middle of the pack
halcyon breach
hello brave and smart warriors. I am a dumb warrior. I seem to only have 1 spark...
I don't quite recall where you get it, but just do weekly content/delves and you should get it. As a side note, check in your bank in case you accidentally deposited it there alongside other reagents
rose ibex
I don't quite recall where you get it, but just do weekly content/delves and you...
thank you wiser and smarter warrior than I
shadow ibex
slayer arms ST fucks
halcyon breach
Almost certain dungeons/raid should work too, but I've gotten the half on both my main and alt this week while just playing the game
shadow ibex
we finally raiding cuz we weekend guild
this shit pipes
execute crit 50/50 in s1 gear
edgy solstice
fucks
minor gust
good
spark kraken
gonna give it a shot in this heroic pull
cobalt sinew
arms feels quite good in raid
shadow ibex
execute hits hard
doesnt feel awful on brood
you have BS with add sets cuz lol slayer and AM
fossil mantle
Slayer is an absolute banger in Raid, Colossus, well we dont talk about that
pearl parrot
Did I miss the stat/sim on if Colossus caught up with a +20% on the first two hits of Demo?
fossil mantle
Dunno if anyone did the math, my guess is that its far away from being competitive in ST even with this buff
nova marsh
Dunno if anyone did the math, my guess is that its far away from being competiti...
archi already did napkin math in #updates-midnight
it's still 8% behind lmao
pearl parrot
bummer. Thank you team!
teal fossil
Did I miss the stat/sim on if Colossus caught up with a +20% on the first two hi...
The 20% adds up to about 0.5% damage lol
minor gust
20% of shit is still shit
teal fossil
Nah not true
I learned in shadowlands that 51% of shit is no longer shit
And in this prepatch that 43% of shit is no longer shit
minor gust
nah their cowards for not buffing the third hit!
fossil mantle
just make MS on Colossus hit for 200% extra crit damage, make us stack crit to the max you cowards
plucky compass
is there ever a time to rend or is it fully replaced with thunder clap?
plucky compass
where is the gain?
teal fossil
Minor initial damage
plucky compass
thank you i read it as it would cast actual rend
teal fossil
It only apply bleed
teal fossil
Not the initial damage
sage badge
Arms owns
minor gust
quick vale
2 piece tier doesn't change our rotation does it?
shadow ibex
4pc changes our rotation
minor gust
4pc does indeed change our rotation
hearty dome
whats the play now arms or fury
minor gust
nothing changed
sage badge
I'm a nature wizard now. 
minor gust
Mr Lightning bolt it is
manic stirrup
how is arms in st?
it sgood
light dirge
We merely set foot into the peak of mount Olympus only to be struck down with nerfs
We were smote
manic stirrup
(literally some of the most minor nerfs possible)
minor gust
less than 1% nerf welp time to reroll boys its over
sharp tendon
Did colosus not get buffed
sharp tendon
Ah to bad
nova marsh
Colo is destined to be behind until it's reworked tbh
fresh tide
Colo is destined to be behind until it's reworked tbh
nah just keep buffing demolish
nova marsh
They can buff demolish until it does literal damage cap on a crit, it'll still be behind
I have seen the light of slayer
And not having a coinflip as like 20% of your damage
That you loose 80% of the time
shadow ibex
less than 1% nerf welp time to reroll boys its over
ill take a MS buff otherwise im chillin
arms slayer pipes ST
terse osprey
So is Slayer pulling ahead of Colossus rn in pve?
nova marsh
Reap is like half your aoe damage
terse osprey
or they close?
nova marsh
Slayer is just ahead by all accounts and...more consistant. Like a lot more consistant
nova marsh
Honestly it's what I despise about both our heros
they make all CDs completely fucked
shadow ibex
enemy mobs quaking in boots
minor gust
ill take a MS buff otherwise im chillin
My only main issue with Slayer is relying on good mark RNG for bladestorm timings
its really annoying on one pull to get unlucky and now you dont have BS up for adds
nova marsh
My only main issue with Slayer is relying on good mark RNG for bladestorm timing...
Honestly at least it's less RNG then Colossus
shadow ibex
i think AM goes a long way with that
we at least have BS for every other CS cuz 45vs 90
and then CDR
nova marsh
Well yeah but like welcome to wow
shadow ibex
but yea i had a pull with lust i didnt get an SD proc for some time
usually expect it within first few globals
i like that bis profile has BS like every 40 seconds
shadow ibex
slayers just fun man. unhinged causing more reap the storm
nova marsh
Slayer just feels good cuz of numbers
shadow ibex
feels like a diablo class
nova marsh
honestly if I didn't have a damage meter I'd probally enjoy it less
minor gust
big reap enjoyer fun to see the procs
shadow ibex
just stacking leggo effects or w/e i never played diablo
nova marsh
Reap feels stupid good
shadow ibex
ill take BS dmg not being nerfed tho for arms
minor gust
you wanna know why
it was nerfed
Arms and Fury share the same bladestorm
so they cant nerf it for fury without nerfing it for arms
shadow ibex
it finally feels good to press
CS avatar and max overhwlem stacks
- mast BS just slicing shit
i wanted to hit max cleave in a stonevault so i started holding BS until after sweeping to apply max overwhelm stacks to everything
14 stack collat
12 overhwlem stacks bye bye
1mil cleaves
tardy hare
Arms and Fury share the same bladestorm
Not true fury bladestorm is way faster than arms
minor gust
thats not what im talking about
smoky kayak
Not true fury bladestorm is way faster than arms
it is the same spell, fury just has a few hidden modifiers that reduce its duration and enable the offhand hit
as stated though, that really is the reason why both arms and fury BS were nerfed - they share the same spell coefficient and there's currently no spec-specific modifier for it
minor gust
Arms suffers for Furys sins
minor gust
man its nasty how good my gear is for fury when I just wanna play arms for heroic week
shadow ibex
arms delve ring
i got pretty lucky with arms gear and by gear i mean rings
nvm that came from world boss yuge
minor gust
I cant get the siege of boralus ring
minor gust
good rings yee
shadow ibex
and champ track
didnt get any delve heroic maps or w/e so i guess thats my luck went
hexed parrot
Did we now know which embelishment we went after tuning?
nova marsh
Wow solo arms delve are really hard
shadow ibex
yea wouldnt recommend
minor gust
delves = fury
nova marsh
It's not even that it's hard, it's that blizzard thinks throwing two casters at you is a good idea
I'm not buying an OF for fury lol
shadow ibex
each one hitting for a cpl mil
nova marsh
I mean yeah
Also SR feels great on them but you can only SR so much
That being said I was plesantly surprised by the amount of stops
I feel like it's doable, but shit like the ambush in earthcrawl mines is honestly just poor design
*would be nice if brann could also just like...be a tank
I bet ret can do it
edgy solstice
My only main issue with Slayer is relying on good mark RNG for bladestorm timing...
Overwhelmed falling off makes me wanna throw my monitor out the window
balmy kindle
Wow solo arms delve are really hard
Why do you choose to suffer
Like sure arms has more damage on delves but it's not beating fury sustain
minor gust
Overwhelmed falling off makes me wanna throw my monitor out the window
yeah I dont bother tracking that. Not much you can do about it
shadow ibex
if/when they get rid of hero talents slayer should just be arms
closest thing weve had to a real spec in like a decade
edgy solstice
weird way to spell colossus but yes
shadow ibex
i want to like colossus but meh
edgy solstice
i don't really like it rn but i feel like colossus is more akin to arms' identity
shadow ibex
somehow feels outdated. furys procs like reap and mark feel good
whereas colossus "stacking dmg increases"
to various things
edgy solstice
slayer arms just feels like it's too close to fury thematically
shadow ibex
buff battlelord and such and let colossus get away from unhinged
i dont like both builds are super similar
hoping for fatal mark remove and something there colossus wants as much as slayer likes bladestorm
like fundamental to the spec p much
edgy solstice
ideally it'd be cool to see colossus very ms-heavy, throw in mortal combo and bigger crits, etc and keep slayer around op/exe
but two hero talents with completely diff identities while also being balanced is too dreamworld
shadow ibex
put a good battlelord there
let unhinged/BS be for slayer
and good battlelord/whatever else on left side for col
edgy solstice
80% of why arms feels good rn is not running that dogshit talent
edgy solstice
put focused rage there tbh
balmy kindle
put focused rage there tbh
The tax we have to pay for ms to be good
nova marsh
Why do you choose to suffer <:keks:936231610850897992>
\I stopped
and just went to go do it in a group
Fucking GARBAGE
balmy kindle
Fucking GARBAGE
I think delves are just overtuned and very leaning towards grinding the mobs down 1 by 1, that's not arms forte
edgy solstice
delves kinda free tbh
shadow ibex
prot delves are where its at
edgy solstice
just go in with parry, reflect, kick whatever bolt is being flinged at you
brann one shots everything
nova marsh
I think delves are just overtuned and very leaning towards grinding the mobs dow...
And then the game just
dosen't let you do that
Which is really dumb
balmy kindle
For me I had more success with brann as healer
If not shadow bolts just kill me before I can do anything
dire hinge
be sure not to equip the Rage Idol on him, as a side note.
he'll just kill himself every time it procs
balmy kindle
Brann as a dps as a dps is a death sentence
D stance and enraged was how I cleared solo delves
DR is king
shadow ibex
brann is dead 24/7
balmy kindle
Same lil bro is not taking aggro
short dove
i just go as prot to solo delve even then its a struggle
balmy kindle
be sure not to equip the Rage Idol on him, as a side note.
Not using that but brann isnt taking much dmg
dire hinge
right, if he does, it'll just kill him
short dove
bran as dps better faster kill time less dmg take
dire hinge
if you're not, dont worry about it
nova marsh
bran as dps better faster kill time less dmg take
Tried that, didn't find success
dire hinge
definitely struggling with solo 9s on my end though
balmy kindle
bran as dps better faster kill time less dmg take
Maybe it's the curios setup but bro is not doing more dmg to warrant less healing
But maybe I need to try prot
nova marsh
Ik I'm only like 585 because I've been lazy this week
And by lazy I mean space marine 2 has consumed my life and I need help
balmy kindle
585 is fine on fury, that was my ilevel when I started
nova marsh
But I genuinely don't think 15 ilvls worth of gear will help at T8
balmy kindle
But I genuinely don't think 15 ilvls worth of gear will help at T8
Arms don't have enough sustained Dr and ignore pain just gets shredded
nova marsh
Yeah arms just isn't ideal for solo content
balmy kindle
Like I like arms also but after 3 tries or so on tier 8 I was like this is not working
D stance and ignore pain and I still get chunked
nova marsh
I just got fed up and got a group
Genuinely feels like you need a 5 man or one of each role present
balmy kindle
DW I think they will tweak delves for sure
nova marsh
I'd be shocked if they didn't tbh
balmy kindle
If fury warrior is sweating, other classes without sustain = unplayable
thorn pelican
trying to fight anything in an honest fight i wouldnt recommend, just tag it with heroic throw and let brann do the work
nova marsh
Yeah that's just not fun
balmy kindle
trying to fight anything in an honest fight i wouldnt recommend, just tag it wit...
Add : LOS everything
nova marsh
Altough tbh Blizz hasn't had a good track record of tuning solo content aside from mage tower
limpid geode
did all 8 bontiful delves with arms with ilvl ~590, it was hard for me but doable
balmy kindle
Yeah that's just not fun
Blizzard: who said you could had fun
thorn pelican
once he has threat u can kinda just blast and make sure u spell reflect/stun a bunch 🤷♂️
limpid geode
used dps bran through the delve but often switched to healer bran on the end boss. Not sure if its optimal, just what worked for me
balmy kindle
did all 8 bontiful delves with arms with ilvl ~590, it was hard for me but doabl...
Could you share your setup
Like interested to know how you manage
limpid geode
used M+ build, Porcelain Arrohead and Amorphous Relic
nova marsh
Torgahust was fucking ridicious until higher ilvls, like wayyyy higher ilvls in a season, idk if islands were even soloable...
limpid geode
pulled really slow and used impending victory heavily
balmy kindle
used M+ build, Porcelain Arrohead and Amorphous Relic
Thanks, will give it a try
balmy kindle
pulled really slow and used impending victory heavily
It's the same with fury, anything more than 2 mobs it's a struggle
edgy solstice
idk my brann does like 20 mil dps
frigid cipher
Delves have just been a lot of waiting on cds for me. They've been rough but the only thing actually undoable ive found so far was waxface
edgy solstice
i just have to not die for 10 secs max and pack dies
limpid geode
again, I'm not a good player so someone here might have a better suggestion 🙂
nova marsh
there is some waiting between pulls for defs tho
what level
balmy kindle
there is some waiting between pulls for defs tho
I tend to have ADHD and not keep waiting for cds
edgy solstice
8-9
i havent tried a 10 yet
ya i def do a "oh fuck it i'll be fine" charge in at least once a delve
then die
limpid geode
for big pulls I charged, clap, roar, bs and mid bladestorm spell relflect + die by the sword. Then when BS finishes shockwave the whole pack and finish the casters (those hurt)
severe nymph
how are u guys not clearing t8? trivial at 600 ilvl
fringe moon
T8 was easy with a group today. But T9 as a group clapped my cheeks even as prot against the mini boss
fossil rampart
dude i just realized avatar literally says it turns you into a colossus. why doesn't that synergize more with colossus spec itself?
edgy solstice
well there was some hotfixes with unintended changes to group scaling today supposedly
bc avatar is mountain thane's gimmick i guess
balmy kindle
for big pulls I charged, clap, roar, bs and mid bladestorm spell relflect + die ...
Maybe I just needed to be patient and wait for cds
balmy kindle
not on my watch
1 sword >> 2 swords
nova marsh
My friend just opened his map
GOT A HERO TRACK AXE
Meanwhile the only thing these delves have given me is literally just on use trinkets
SPECFICALLY on use trinkets
sullen holly
speaking of delve trinkets, is this one trash? i dont see it at all on bloodmallet but it seems like its pretty bad
heady patrol
Arms the move now after fury nerfs?
ornate eagle
speaking of delve trinkets, is this one trash? i dont see it at all on bloodmal...
It's really fucking bad
steep osprey
It's really fucking bad
Lmao they really need to buff delves trinkets if we’re supposed to be getting hero track ones
At least not the point they might be bis
But good enough
real hatch
What Hero talents will you choose after the balance patch?
vapid bay
Still slayer
real hatch
thx
unique bridge
The poison conc trinket from delves is simming well and seems nice
but I need to make an entire WA for it to track it because I am always forgetting to redo it and get stunned for 5 seconds
but the other delve trinkets seem REAL bad
quartz canopy
Yeah, I'm holding onto my delve trinkets and seeing how they will be after the buff. They sim so bad I can't help but feel it wasn't intended lol
sullen holly
the spelunkers waning candle and quickwick candlestick seem decent
quick vale
is there a rough conversion rate for how much ilvl a gem slot is worth?
astral yarrow
why not just sim it when its convenient
balmy kindle
Meanwhile the only thing these delves have given me is literally just on use tri...
Blizzard telling you to gtfo and come back next season
nova marsh
LOL
naive quarry
Meanwhile the only thing these delves have given me is literally just on use tri...
I am on cloak number 9
nova marsh
OOF
naive quarry
3 maps 3 cloaks
balmy kindle
Pro tip: expect nothing and never be disappointed 
naive quarry
3 full world tours dungeons 10 keys 1 full normal clear not a single weapon
Time to reroll
At least I got 2 1hand weapons how bad is single minded fury
astral yarrow
craft 2 2hs and its better
jolly quartz
does anyone know anyone in US that can do R5 pvp chest?
plucky fern
3 full world tours dungeons 10 keys 1 full normal clear not a single weapon <:de...
do two bgs and craft a 610 pvp weapon
tawdry quail
Hi
Does the mortal strikes during bladestorm from unhinged get sweeping strikes buff?
quick vale
no
grand idol
They used to though. Was nice.
toxic socket
who thinks arms will be better than fury after nerfs then?
balmy kindle
Think arms is already close if not ahead,your average fury warrior is not critcake regen
Arms is harder to mess up
thick kelp
otherway around
icy mulch
I'm liking arms more than fury right now, but I'm kinda biased. I was a massive arms fanatic back in Cata and Legion.
manic stirrup
who thinks arms will be better than fury after nerfs then?
fury will likely still be better on most bosses with arms still being good overall
toxic socket
fury will likely still be better on most bosses with arms still being good overa...
how you thinking in m+ though?
balmy kindle
Fury is likely better become odyns fury has like no cd
But arms likely has close aoe but better priority dmg and ST
boreal quartz
Fury is likely better become odyns fury has like no cd
Of is a fixed cd
boreal quartz
But arms likely has close aoe but better priority dmg and ST
Arms has to lose more st to gain aoe than fury does
boreal quartz
do you prefer colossus to slayer
Do i like doing damage?
Yes
Question is answered
icy mulch
Arms has to lose more st to gain aoe than fury does
Yeah, just did a M0 and really felt the lack of aoe at times. Fury loses nothing in ST or AoE. I gotta admit though, I do like how Arms feels right now.
I like those big chunky numbers.
vapid bay
3 mil cleaves are pog
steep osprey
Yeah, just did a M0 and really felt the lack of aoe at times. Fury loses nothin...
It does not lose nothing but it does lose less than Arms does
lethal acorn
Wow solo arms delve are really hard
Not as Colossus
Slayer arms is a spinny squishy rogue, Colossus is an arms great general!
lethal acorn
buff battlelord and such and let colossus get away from unhinged
Nah, I like ravager/unhinged as Colossus
lethal acorn
is slayer still better than colossus even after the recent buffs?
Dunno, I was day 1 Colossus and I'll still be playing it (Tried Slayer plenty of times and it's just spinning and roguey strike procs that don't fit the fantasy imo)
Ideally Blizz said they want the Hero talents within like 3% of each other in DPS
Colossus has the utility/defensive advantage over Slayer. so I'm okay with being behind a few percent in pure ST
opal kelp
is slayer still better than colossus even after the recent buffs?
I want to know 2
thick kelp
slayer still better
lusty creek
ok seems fair, i wanted to try in M+ but until now slayer still seemed better
lethal acorn
In M+ they're very even
In pure ST Slayer is ahead in % but like 3x as squishy to unavoidable damage
daring heron
🧢
lethal acorn
I'd rather stay alive and not rely on healers
daring heron
you were talking unavoidable damage, not avoidable
lethal acorn
Demolish requires timing, positioning, and decision making, so it's harder to play
lethal acorn
you were talking unavoidable damage, not avoidable
Yeah
You can techically die if you demolish right as a swirl spawns under you
I saw your video haha
daring heron
i dont see how col is much tankier than slayer
gaunt owl
its more self sustain passively thats all
daring heron
demolish debuff isnt that big a deal, 2.5% passive DR is neat ig
lethal acorn
You debuff them when you demolish, mountain gives you a damage reduction passively, and you get veteran vitality every minute
It's very noticable in solo delves
How much tankier you get to be
daring heron
suppose you could demolish before taking unavoidable damage, love having defensive tied to my damage button with a cd
daring heron
that's 297.5% off slayer being 3x as squishy
hence my 🧢
you're allowed to enjoy colossus
lethal acorn
And the wrecked debuff that makes enemies do 5% less damage to you after a full stack demolish
lethal acorn
that's 297.5% off slayer being 3x as squishy
I was overexaggerating but it's very noticable in solo content when you have to tank as Arms or have to offtank for 10 seconds if tank dies in M+ or whatever
opal kelp
I was overexaggerating but it's very noticable in solo content when you have to ...
But then you need to keep demolish as def cd, I think that without using on cd, Col does way less dmg
wanton sierra
Yes i soloed delves 8 with no problem, had to press an healing potion or two but no problem, my friend shadowpriest also soloed np… i think every spec has an chance to solo it
lethal acorn
But then you need to keep demolish as def cd, I think that without using on cd, ...
You don't need to keep demolish as defensive CD
It's up enough times
opal kelp
But the ideal dps cenário isn’t about using on cd?
wanton sierra
Pvp im playing slayer, pve full colossus
lethal acorn
And it's a combination of like 3 passives, not just the demolish dr, it's more like Slayers lack of good defensives if anything that makes Colossus shine more defensively
wanton sierra
I think arms slayer is harder to solo delves 8 than colossus, but fury slayer is easy
lethal acorn
But the ideal dps cenário isn’t about using on cd?
You use demolish on CD (carefully!) and everything that was demolished deals less damage to you for like 10+ seconds, the debuff is called "Wrecked!"
wanton sierra
Yuge
opal kelp
I’m 598, might test arms, but I have so much mastery and haste
Was playing fury
Prob not ideal
lethal acorn
Arms likes Crit
cloud gyro
haste is good for arms and crit doesnt change the rotation so
you will experience the playstyle accurately
opal kelp
Nice! The builds are correct in the links?
wanton sierra
damn i got an second two hander, might try some fury
slayer is easier to play and i felt it has more consistancy... you keep spinnin and blastin with procs, very often procs, but rotation wise is not hard
colossus on the other hand, you need to know when to burst... since trash dont last 10 secs we cant really know, we throw only 1 demo per pack... but i think we shall get to an point that trash shall last longer, and then im curious to see the specs performance
cloud gyro
I think colossus is for sure harder to play if ur talking dungeons - you need to plan ahead and setup cleaves
wanton sierra
yes im talking about m+ dungeons
tropic eagle
colossus is mega with good setups but only playing it with guild groups and comms for full potential
Slayer has better flow tho, both are fun so win win
I really hope they rework demo a bit tho
it just makes life bad as it works currently... it cant be a target channel thats just dumb
left talon
Make demolish like killing spree yuh let us die in style
tropic eagle
Im fine with being stuck in place for a bit but if the target teleports or dies or moves 2mm my demolish gets canceled like what is that bro
wanton sierra
agreed... thats why im playin pvp as slayer xD
DR from demo should be hier, the idea of trhowin an big hit regardless whats happenin is cool for colossus fantasy
small void
Is colossus decent in raid with buffs ar all? Im a prot main but sometimes like to play arms
wanton sierra
i think yes, ppl were sendin their sims, and it appears that arms slayer and colossus is close... but i played the raid normal as slayer,tbh i didnt knew fights so i was afraid demo would kill me or something
tropic eagle
Id still go slayer for raid
manic river
I hope they tweak Col soon to make it better with arms skill set, I want to have some build diversity and big smashes are fun
small void
I like the idea of demo it reminds me of ravage from swtor
wanton sierra
statswise colossus need tons of crit
tropic eagle
the most frustrating part is that its already almost good
gaunt owl
tropic eagle
but its not, you know what I mean
wanton sierra
8% is big number
cold narwhal
what is the cleave priority after poppin CDs in AOE, just send it off CD or?
tropic eagle
I got 2 610 hero track weapons from delve... i refuse to click fury xD
latent moss
buff arms deathdrive
austere river
@smoky kayak any estimate how much is the % difference in dps between having 636 weapon vs 639? just thinking the spark usage
in a situation where you have 4 set and pretty end game gear
smoky kayak
it's not a question of 636 vs 639, it's 636 + embellishment vs 639 + other embellishments
and the answer is very little - Arms can use either in ST, but double dusk is much better suited to M+
austere river
well i mainly think of it from a m+ perspective, so not sure how good those ramp up embelishments are
kk
wanton sierra
i was 30% crit now im 15%... but haste is now 20%
smoky kayak
well i mainly think of it from a m+ perspective, so not sure how good those ramp...
if all you care about is M+, go double dusk - see #1237307555961634826
austere river
how about the vers ramp up weapon embelishment, does it fall short by much in comparison?
thick kelp
its ass
edgy solstice
What % uptime do linings sim at by default?
edgy solstice
Yeah depending on your content
smoky kayak
I use 70% for my comparisons, which seems like a fairly reasonable early-prog number
thick kelp
I am having consistant 70-90% uptime in HC depending on fight
cold narwhal
If you had a hero weapon/belt and a hero crit/haste cloak would you then go craft bracers/ring at this stage? (they are worse
smoky kayak
but each additional 10% uptime is like +0.13% performance, so it's not exactly a large leap
edgy solstice
You're more prone to be close to 90% in keys and heroic imo so linings would be the clear choice there
smoky kayak
You're more prone to be close to 90% in keys and heroic imo so linings would be ...
90% in keys is not real lol
BSL averaged like 30-40% uptime once you cut out the downtime between pulls (where obviously you have it active, but you're not hitting anything either)
edgy solstice
Depends on the type of key no? My bsl uptimes outside of push-level keys was like 70% ish
smoky kayak
I'm not saying BSL or Dusk are bad, just that those numbers can be very misleading
anyway, as per #1237307555961634826
- the darkmoon embellishments are hot garbage in M+, the mechanics simply do not allow dropping combat for any amount of time
- if you're focusing M+, you want double dusk
- if you're focusing raid, you can go either, potentially leaning toward weapon if you're also flexing a lot with Fury
remember how annoying it was trying to maintain Signet in M+ during Dragonflight? Darkmoon is the same thing, but worse
edgy solstice
Yeah I'm staying away from that lol
smoky kayak
basically, Ascension checks for combat every 8s
- if you're in combat when the check hits, you get a buff stack
- if not, you don't
- buff stacks last 15s, so if you miss a check (8s), you now have 7s left on the buff - ergo, missing one check means your buff will not refresh
That means you don't have 15s to maintain the buff; you don't even 8s to get into combat, you have 8s since the last check - if the last check happened 4s before combat ended, you have 4s to get back into combat
edgy solstice
Symbiosis works the same way too ya?
smoky kayak
symbiosis is a 10s check and stacks a bit differently, but yes
sly venture
I like the idea of demo it reminds me of ravage from swtor
Ravage in Swtor is the same as Master Strike on the Republic faction mirror class? Thats why I have loved the idea of Demolish in TWW 😄
Swtor is the reason I play WoW today. Loved that mmorpg, which is very WoW-ish in terms of gameplay
shadow ibex
Buff ms
grave mulch
Ez
frank fog
@sly venture Exactly why I didnt get mad when I saw channeled for the ability. Played Jugg in swtor for years I know how to work with it and it aint that bad.
tawdry quail
I play arms with the longer sweeping strikes talent instead of the big cleave talent, that gives me a ton more uptime on colossus stacks, what about u guys?
sly venture
<@217776320103317504> Exactly why I didnt get mad when I saw channeled for the a...
Oh my! Can't agree more. Funny how something close to heart can impact our stance in another game. I love Colossus because it also reminds me of the Ravage/Master Strike ability for the Warrior/Knight class.
Though I only play Slayer now anyway. Haha!
smoky kayak
the channel is quirky, but there would be a whole lot less complaints about it if Colossus happened to be 10% ahead of Slayer instead of the other way around
frank fog
I find Slayer to be surprisingly fun. Glad I enjoy both hero talents
sly venture
Though If I recall, Bioware Austin (the good studio back then) updated and reworked Ravage (Demolish in TWW) in Swtor so you could actually move around while channeling. @frank fog
frank fog
@sly venture Yeah they did... but it only took them 10 years to do it 😂
frank fog
I'm curious what we get next expansion tbh... I know TWW literally just started but I wonder if they expand on the hero talents for the next 2 xpacs... after all its the world soul "SAGA"
sly venture
<@217776320103317504> Yeah they did... but it only took them 10 years to do it �...
I dont think 10 years, I played between 2011 and 2016 and it was changed earlier (i think). And Demolish is the exact same ability
So Blizz will prolly change it
Warrs want to move around haha
tall socket
Technically is not the first "saga" we had. Just the first time they are coming back to back. TBC, WoD and Legion were technically the Legion saga
frank fog
@sly venture Movement or no movement I've done both. I'm cool with either way they go with it. Its not so much the abilities fault for missing bc you cant move its the fault of your ADD tank who cant stop moving for a nanosecond. 🤣
frank fog
Technically is not the first "saga" we had. Just the first time they are coming ...
True. Still curious what they keep adding/building on that isnt borrowed power.
tall socket
Speaking of borrowed power. Anyone noticed we still have the heart of Azeroth in our possession lore wise?. We use it to open that portal to the titan facility on a quest
Our character pulls it out during the channel animation
shadow ibex
Buff ms
native dawn
Just coming back from vacation, how’s arms looking with mythic tuning?
Nevermind, saw the picture. No talent changes for us?
For ST and MT?
hazy flower
BSL averaged like 30-40% uptime once you cut out the downtime between pulls (whe...
on details which is time in combat and assuming you took out some time to gather the pulls you probably had 60% in some dungeons
smoky kayak
which is an extremely far cry from 90
hazy flower
it's easier to keep up the new bsl though
smoky kayak
but that's also trash + bosses, and your uptime in each matters
sure, nobody said Dusk was bad
the guy just said that he had 90% which is very not realistic
hazy flower
tbf it's realistic if you just check the % but like I said lots of pulls in higher keys (weekly keys uptime is whatever obv) take some time to gather and I dont think that's relevant uptime even if its in combat
smoky kayak
90% is not realistic at all
hazy flower
I mean I checked details and logs immediately
and saw it's same
I could maybe dig it out somewhere but it's from mid s4
smoky kayak
I looked at a ton of logs in S3, including several of your own that you provided
and they never matched, BSL uptime was never anywhere near 90%
smoky kayak
which is still a far cry from 90%
it's also counting both trash and bosses, which wasn't a great metric w/ DF affixes
the biggest issue too was that the times where you want to burst the most, like that big initial pull in everbloom, also happen to be the times where you're taking the most damage - similar to the smolderon problem in raid
hazy flower
depends what you pull yeah when we tried 30 eb and we skipped abom and the only damage intake was on tank since everything else was baited by ranged player
smoky kayak
that's kinda the takeaway, there will always be ways to optimize a bit here and there
Dusk is objectively the best for M+ atm, no argument there, it's also better than bsl in general
vagrant shard
Is skullspliter a must? I really hate using it in my rotation, wondering if the dps decrease will be "worth" smoothing the gameplay for me
old urchin
In AoE/M+ for the colossus build it was about a 6k dps loss for me to drop SKS for Sudden Death. That’s according to sims. I can’t stand Skullsplitter unless it’s pure ST so I’m ok with the DPS loss.
wraith crag
Why does the ST sim yeet a storm bolt after bladestorm on open?
boreal quartz
free damage
worldly kernel
its kinda peanuts but it is daamge
wraith crag
Ah I see - it’s castable while spinning?
boreal quartz
yea
charred olive
I like the colossus build but also want bladestorm instead och ravager is that possible or am I losing to much dmg in m+?
boreal quartz
ravager is just better
charred olive
Maybe slayer is the way to go for me then. More bladestorms anyway 😅 spin to win
shadow ibex
Fuck demolish
weary mountain
I like the colossus build but also want bladestorm instead och ravager is that p...
Use Bladestorm until you have trouble finishing content, then swap if you have to. The question isn't "Is there something that deals more damage than this?", it's "Does this get the job done?" As long as the answer to that question is "yes", go for it.