arms

[latent moss]

exactly

[tropic eagle]

already full sent arms, its good enough

[halcyon breach]

You can realistically play either one if you want, though there's a fair amount of burst AoE, which Fury typically excels at better

[latent moss]

arms burst xd

[shadow ibex]

Demolish angle ofc

[halcyon breach]

Aside from that, Fury is also just naturally tankier which helps early prog

[shadow ibex]

[steep osprey]

Why not just buy sophic devotion now

[latent moss]

yaeh angle to miss all adds

or boss

[shadow ibex]

[plucky fern]

parry angle

[latent moss]

idk im gonna play whats better and rn its looking like its fury with silken court as arms

[shadow ibex]

Doesn't hit shards the last boss in rookery spawns

Can't wait to have it not hit mobs right next to boss cuz of shit like that

[fossil rampart]

my point exactly

[left talon]

Was jk about why use rallying its gcd

[marble kayak]

So just be honest boys you think our good ole arms can compete against the average fury rn?

I'm having an identity crisis.

[fossil mantle]

if you are a chad, you would play whetever you enjoy more

[marble kayak]

My name is literally Chad and you can't decide that DORI.

[fossil mantle]

Well Chad, you are better of going Fury then

unless you got carpal tunnel, then arms is your spec

[marble kayak]

I'm full pre-bis Fury I've just always enjoyed Arms so much more.

[fossil mantle]

oh yea, fury warriors aint shit. Arms is where it's at

[marble kayak]

[gilded stump]

FULL PRE BIS? FULL HC BIS? WOW COOL DUDE

[marble kayak]

Wasn't even a flex champ. Insecurities are showing.

Hope you guys have a good day lmao.

[gilded stump]

SO COOL DUDE

[neon niche]

My guy is wearing renown 8 shoulders so lit

[flat willow]

fury is slower than arms right now

at least in mythic+

[gilded stump]

FULL PRE BIS GUYS

I CANT BELIEVE IT

[neon niche]

Maxed out on flightstones upgrades n shit

[flat willow]

it does remind me of farming pre bis in classic

it was pretty fun

[gilded stump]

FULL BIS
CAPPED ON STONES
CAPPED ON CREST

[flat willow]

doing 50 ubrs for the leather shoulders

[marble kayak]

🫡

[neon niche]

this is something different cause hit % and weapon skill

[gilded stump]

THE WOMEN WANT HIM
THE MEN WANT TO BE HIM

[flat willow]

you may not like it

but this is peak warrior fashion

[neon niche]

dorf on pve gear

[flat willow]

my bad

here

that's what 99% of warriors looked like

well either that or gnome for pvp

[gilded stump]

That's not male human or male orc

[flat willow]

who plays male human

[gilded stump]

Cool guys

[flat willow]

they all played female human or female gnome

with pink pigtails

[flat willow]

true brother

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392758838891380736/786800359091601429/unknown.png?ex=66dfc06f&is=66de6eef&hm=86692457cc1fd7343e190f929ca52c9f76d0604f6f364e315f1b39ce3f5beb6e&

peak performance right there let me tell you

I got the pink boots, got the crulshoruk, the ragnaros belt, everything man

[gilded stump]

All my characters are male human for diplomacy now that it's gone I'm thinking about race changing all of them except my human male paladin called Karnwield the Seeker

[latent moss]

void elf is bis

[flat willow]

ew

voif elf is for wizards

[lilac lava]

imagine not playing 2h fury tauren warrior

[gilded stump]

I don't like void elfs

I do like blood elfs

Which I'm gonna turn my human mage into

[flat willow]

you'll be able to pretend you are a bloof elf when you race swap to dracthyr next patch

[gilded stump]

Once I finish the firelands lego

[gilded stump]

I will never play drachty

[flat willow]

🫡

[latent moss]

imagine playing that ugly ass race

played it all df

never again

cant see shit half the time

had to play zoomed in

[flat willow]

what

how would zooming in help when playing a tauren

did you play in fps view

[latent moss]

in dungeons ur view would get blocked

cause they are massive

[summer elbow]

i just got the legion warrior mount but whats the difference betweeen our class mount and a regular drake from dragonlight?

[flat willow]

imagine playing colossus tauren

can't see a single aoe when you pop avatar

[latent moss]

thats nothing

necro banner used to increase ur size

tauren pwar in grimrail

in s4 of sl

with banner + avatar

i was bigger than the wagons

[flat willow]

[latent moss]

thats the only reason why i race changed

now im back to races u can actually use transmogs on

[left talon]

Whats better for raid green monster zero or monster green

[minor gust]

I kinda miss banner its a cool theme for warrior fighting with a banner on your back

[boreal quartz]

Mango loco

[gilded stump]

White monster

[flat willow]

either white monster

or ultra paradise

[gloomy mirage]

https://wago.io/aFk5kOQmw

[thick kelp]

goat behavior

[gloomy mirage]

obv haven’t tested it but someone linked it

🤙

[limber river]

My guildy did make it to 70 just exploring everything in one night lol.

[river ridge]

White Monster or Bust

[agile crown]

they should let me be venthyr and have condemn

[wanton sierra]

condemn... the worst part of it its its sound

[dire hinge]

Gm nerds

Getting excited for tomorrow

[wanton sierra]

me too! i need to run with my work to be chill and play all day

gonna farm some m dungeons... and might try to raid

[nova marsh]

Dude I'mma go so hard in the paint tomorrow when I get off work

World tour speedruns and full delves les go

[dire hinge]

tomorrow is full of listening-calls at work for me, which works out great to get delves done

[nova marsh]

ye

I also wonna try T13 delves when I have actual gear. Want the blimp

[woven wasp]

t13 delve (singular)

[gilded stump]

not having a delve week with your guild where all you do is delves for a whole week

You people disgust me

[dire hinge]

just video game ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[flat willow]

delving all day

world first T13

[gilded stump]

ALL I DO IS DELVE DELVE DELVE NO MATTER WHAT

[dire hinge]

running with friends is good though, since getting non-combat rezzes doesn't count against death counts

[flat willow]

jk I'm doing 4 delves a day for the keys and no more

what if all my friends play the rat class

(rogue)

[dire hinge]

been playing the long con for decades, being nice to my healers

i knew this day would come

[flat willow]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-reece-simpson-kayode-ewumi-roll-safe-meme-gif-17305682

[gilded stump]

Get new friends

[tranquil sundial]

neck, rings stats are the important thing

[flat willow]

they just love stealing too much

[tranquil sundial]

which stats do we want to prio as warrior, to me it seems haste/mastery is the way to go if you can

if you play both that is

[flat willow]

well depends on what you mean when you say warrior

if fury yes you go mastery > haste > everything

on arms you want crit

[nova marsh]

Better idea

Get a ridicious amount of gear and make a set for both

[tranquil sundial]

eventually

[agile crown]

arms is more fun than fury though

[minor gust]

or just sim

[agile crown]

the dopamine of mortal strike crit...

[nova marsh]

No no

slayer arms

the dopamine of a massive exe crit

[nova marsh]

That's a uptoia

[gilded stump]

Demolish gets parried

[nova marsh]

MS gets parried

😴

also titans grip is lame

fight me

[maiden moat]

IMPORTANT - you do NOT want to run a bountifull delve at a lower tier, because even if you do not use your key, it will consume the “bountifull” status once you complete it.
On reset day, you can run 4x bountifull delves, so you really do not want to miss a chance by completing one before tier 8.

You know if this is true?

[dire hinge]

it's not reset day yet, couldn't tell ya ¯_(ツ)_/¯

if you're worried about it, dont run a delve, it's not exactly mandatory content at the moment

[minor gust]

wether its true or not dont risk and just lvl up your delvs to 8 doing normal ones then you can do T8 delves on bountiful

[flat willow]

its true, I did a bountiful delve during the week and it stops being bountiful if you use your key or not

so level your delves on a normal one before using your keys on the +8

[gusty oxide]

i will let NA beta test this for us

[native obsidian]

Yes it is true

You can verify it now by doing a delve that is bountiful, do not use your key, the bountiful status will be gone afterwards

[balmy kindle]

anyone knows why Skarmorak shard is simming very low even when it is stated as BIS ?

[boreal quartz]

Cuz urs not in bis gear

[manic stirrup]

damage trinkets does a higher % of your damage when your damage/gear sucks

[native obsidian]

Shard has been listed as bis for these prep weeks

But they are correct, it is not

At least according to sims

[balmy kindle]

like its pretty funny because as per raidbots a 590 shard gets beat by void pactstone

[native obsidian]

It's like the bee trinket or the boomarang

For best

[manic stirrup]

prep week bis lists 1. dont exist and 2. are probably the most useless information you could ever possibly create

though i think saying anything other than the bee trinket is bis right now is disingenuous

[balmy kindle]

tyhe honey buzzer eh

[fringe moon]

how much DPS is out tier set worth?

[twin nymph]

Which specc will overperform in Raid or M+ ?

[nova marsh]

I'm pretty sure both arms and fury are middle of the pa ck

[nova marsh]

Not a lot. for collusus it's 5%, for slayer it's like 2-3 irrc

[dire hinge]

(single target)
Slayer is like 3%
Colossus is like 7%

AoE is ~1.5% for both (it's bad)

[fringe moon]

geez

[wanton sierra]

yes! colossus ahead!!

[fringe moon]

I guess that's what we wanted right? more raw damage and less borrowed power?

[dire hinge]

not necessarily, it's just a % increase for that kit.
Colossus number is larger, but it's a larger percentage of an overall lower performing hero tree

[wanton sierra]

we shall see hrothmar!

[dire hinge]

true

[wanton sierra]

[dire hinge]

tbf it was a dps gain to wear max-ilvl Dragonflight Seaosn 4 tier in AoE
(you'd lose a lot of stam doing this)

[strange sapphire]

Will it be better to spec prot to do t8 delves early on? I’m 589 arms

[nova marsh]

Maybe?

But tbh if you're having survivability issues go fury

Still having them? Go prot

But it shouldn't matter because brann

[tacit mist]

if they buff demolish i will cry

[nova marsh]

They won't lol

[agile crown]

anyone want to start an argument with me?

[minor gust]

we dont argue in arms chat

only doom

arguing is for fury

[agile crown]

oh cool thanks for letting me know 😄

[left talon]

Down with hope up with cope

[dry frost]

Praying for this

[agile crown]

im so excited to be lowest dps tomorrow

[minor gust]

you can go see it in fury chat right now

[opaque citrus]

Yeah what do you want to argue about

[agile crown]

meet me in #fury

[gaunt owl]

you wanna fight ?

give us your most biased opinion on the class

easy

[minor gust]

I like WW better than cleave

[flat willow]

I tried following but its too focused on fury vs arms right now

[opaque citrus]

Most weapon models are way too big and it’s detrimental to transmog

[dire hinge]

im happy in here, where we get to make jokes and talk about simple things like "please stop worrying about Preseason BiS"

[thorn tulip]

button bloat and i hate bleeds

[gaunt owl]

you want it to be the same size as your little weewee ?

[agile crown]

i think its messed up that all goblins have new yorker accents and im not allowed to change it

[tacit cedar]

Our opener shouldn't be 12 gcds to watch a ret pally pop 2 buttons and spit out 2m dps

[opaque citrus]

No I just want it to be nicely shaped and sized so as to fit in perfectly

[minor gust]

yo man... you got that list man... I could really use a preseason BIS list... you got one for me ill pay you back

[opaque citrus]

Much like, yes, my weewee

[gaunt owl]

[wanton sierra]

i trully think colossus starts ahead.. early keys we wont have insane mobs with much hitpoints, bleeds arent ggoing to do much... spike dam would be ahead... but hey, dont listen to me, i just came back to the game xD

[dire hinge]

it truly is the placebo baggie of oregano to get people to stop asking for it

[minor gust]

I find it the same as ppl constantly asking about secondary stats

[flat willow]

you can't compare to ret paladin

it's specifically made for bozos

the dh opener is pretty button heavy too

its just that ret is a 3 buttons spec

which is good, the game needs some of those

[wanton sierra]

is it french?

[gaunt owl]

lol he got spotted

[flat willow]

my wowhead is in french yes

[gaunt owl]

thats a pretty long list

[wanton sierra]

nice! xD

[gaunt owl]

i remember the Spriest one that was almost twice as long

[fringe moon]

do your companions get more experience the higher delve difficulty you do?

[opaque citrus]

You mean brann?

I think the green/blue/purple tokens stay the same but not sure about actual mob xp

[edgy solstice]

remove sks

ty

[agile crown]

i preferred sks that consumed dot fasho

[opaque citrus]

On god

New sks sucks

[fringe moon]

Thanks

[wanton sierra]

its quite op on pvp

[opaque citrus]

Remove PvP

[edgy solstice]

fury just dogs on arms in pvp rn tho

afaik

arms maybe even or a bit better in rbgs tho

[manic stirrup]

this opener is super easy

[wanton sierra]

a way to fix it... idk... its to not depend on remaining bleeds effects on target... like: sks bleeds 100% faster, aplly rend and deepwounds when cast

[manic stirrup]

once u play the class for 10m

[flat willow]

it is

[manic stirrup]

it just looks complicated/long

[flat willow]

but that's why "10 buttons opener" aren't bad

[wanton sierra]

and initial damage should be hier for 21sec skill cd it needed to hit at least thhe dam of ms

for us to feel big when crits

[edgy solstice]

sks is fine numbers-wise. feelsgood 2 tar prio

i just hate the whole "we dont know how to design arms so moar dots"

[wanton sierra]

ye i guess... i rather old sks too

[dry frost]

S3 assa was like 24/26 steps iirc

[wanton sierra]

i heard arcane mage was nuts... opener more dificullt than rotation... i mean, before pull xD

[dry frost]

I enjoyed old SKS a lot ngl

[next flame]

Moar dots isn't the worst fate a class can suffer although it's better if the dots do interesting things besides static damage

[sharp tendon]

Old sks. Was fun to use

[edgy solstice]

i don't mind dots in general. but it feels cheap in arms' case

[next flame]

If we get something s3 bonus where rend could trigger sudden death would be better yea

[wanton sierra]

to fulfill the colossus fantasy, i think we had better skills interaction... the idea to increase size is the most fun part of it.... i think they got good material to work with... i wondered some interaction with Avatar, like every second of it you become bigger and bigger... or intead of blademaster torment, we would had like "you sweep if you have avatar up"
heroic leap to become dmg offensive skill instead of mobilityn
or even "colossal stance"

on the other hand, i liked the shockwave interaction...

hey they said spear icon has changed

[edgy solstice]

i think colossus fantasy is completely fine. demolish just needs some tweaks

slayer performing better doesn't make colossus thematically bad

[tardy hare]

They nerfed precision strikes to soon. Should have nerfed that or MS first then seen where it was at

[wanton sierra]

yes, you are right... as a dwarf, i would love to beccome like 15% ish bigger

[flat willow]

the theme of colossus works

its demolish that sucks ass

[edgy solstice]

they nerfed the size buff at one point

[wanton sierra]

i liked the idea of completely surpass CC when castin demolish, there is tons of mechanics that you can avoid, but not avoidin, demolishin

[edgy solstice]

idr how much it was before

[flat willow]

size buff is funny until you don't see aoe because your character is too big with them + avatar

[edgy solstice]

gnome bis

[flat willow]

no

[wanton sierra]

let us get hit for every avoidable dmg! xD

[flat willow]

goblin is

[wanton sierra]

eew

[flat willow]

goblin > gnome

personally I wouldn't play either

but if you want to play a small race at least play the best one

[edgy solstice]

both are the best races of their faction

[wanton sierra]

im dwarf.. all my chars are dwarfs

[flat willow]

dwarf is better than gnome

[edgy solstice]

except maybe trolls

[flat willow]

honestly dwarf might be the best alliance race

but playing alliance

/lol

[wanton sierra]

i cannot be evoker/druid and dh... xD

[edgy solstice]

always played alliance but liked horde races better

[flat willow]

anyway I'll shill this idea until blizzard does it

see that shit

replace wake of ashes with cs and hammer of light with demolish

and that's how you fix colossus

hammer of light is demolish but better in every way

[wanton sierra]

man ogrimmar dont have sewage... imagine the orc and trolls kids playin at the stream?! is this 3rd world country? xD

damn im jokin guys ❤️

[flat willow]

with demolish becoming an extra button, you remove the desync problem, you get less "button bloat" (even if I don't think arms suffers from that ) and you can do something like a second demolish every X stack like hammer of light instead of the cdr talent

[edgy solstice]

i dont play pally so idk. i see the vision sorta

[flat willow]

all the arms players would go back to colossus let me tell ya

2 demolish back to back every 3 CS

now imagine the dopamine

[gaunt owl]

would be a fun button

[wanton sierra]

maybe 1 single big hit instead of 3

[wanton sierra]

nice idea, ngl

[edgy solstice]

blizzard will see that and interpret it as: make Demolish an empowered spell

[flat willow]

[edgy solstice]

they used to cast slam, they'll love it

[flat willow]

the good old days

I'll cast slam again if it means I get heroic strike and recklessness back

[wanton sierra]

damn bois, i was nerdin at classic before came back to retail

died at 41 on hardcore... played some sod

[smoky kayak]

I died twice on Hardcore, first time I got trolled by someone at L58, second time due to server lag at L51 (iirc)

[rancid willow]

It’s also a lot of fun to play imo.

[smoky kayak]

after that I was done with it lmao

[edgy solstice]

both on warr?

[smoky kayak]

Yeah

[edgy solstice]

yeah i died twice on warr, then on a sham, then i just did rogue to get it over with

[smoky kayak]

it was fun enough, but I just had no desire to go through the same content a third time in a row, classic is already tedious as it is and hardcore even more so

[rancid willow]

What trinkets are folks gonna roll for this week? I see bloodmallet still not updated

[smoky kayak]

bloodmallet is updated

[edgy solstice]

Yeah it was a lot of fun but I wouldn't do it again

[rancid willow]

Oh! Nice. I checked last night

Ty

[edgy solstice]

Unless some kind of special event

[smoky kayak]

it was updated last night too!

[wanton sierra]

ye i was war... i started playin with an priest friend... war and priest is very good... but thhem we were walkin on hillbrad foothills and we belly agroed some skull npc, we runned like hell, screams, dummy, everything.. he died and them two days later i died at swamp of sorrows... got 4 hit strait to be an miss and got netted with super spawn

[edgy solstice]

bee trink get nerfed yet?

[smoky kayak]

yeah, first time I went solo to about 45 then duo'd with a priest friend the rest of the way
second time he rerolled with me and we duo'd the whole way through

[flat willow]

I died at 40 on warrior then leveled a hunter because I was salty I died to hyperspawn

very bad idea because hunter was so boring and impossible to die I just quit

[opaque citrus]

Prob not until reset at least

[smoky kayak]

first time we were streamrolling WPL and some mage spawned blood of heroes on top of me while my healer was in africa; I died just as he got to me and started healing

[edgy solstice]

F

[wanton sierra]

the exitment is insane right? you need to think on every step... the preparation is very good... loved the experience.. obvious that i dont wanna die, but hardcore makes you treat the game with more respect

[rancid willow]

Maybe i checked too early mmmmk?? 😂

[smoky kayak]

second time we were running through tanaris toward ungoro, server lagged out for a solid minute+ and ran me off a cliff to my death

[remote talon]

arms right now has way too many buttons IMO, especially an M+ colossus build with cleave, TC, skullsplitter, and demolish... including sweeping strikes there's something like 13 skills that are part of the core DPS rotation, which to me is 2-3 too many to feel good

[wanton sierra]

oh no! thats frustratin

[edgy solstice]

i couldn't stand to die again at 40+. just went rogue so i had 15 oh shit buttons

[smoky kayak]

there's a clip of me falling, spamming dismount, spamming parachute cloak, spamming lip, and just nothing happening

[flat willow]

still hc was way more fun than I expected to have

[smoky kayak]

then I hit, float just about the ground for about 5 seconds, dismount and insta die

[wanton sierra]

man i was at stv on medicine forest quest... my net fell and i insta turned the internet of my cellphone... barely logged on with 20% hp and 5 mobs hittin

[edgy solstice]

the early levels were insane amounts of fun

watching people die and having their cause of death alarm in general chat

[wanton sierra]

my heart was almost jumpin of my chest

[flat willow]

I did save someone that was dc by killing every mob around him for a few minutes, he was very happy about it

but it made me question how long does the server keep you in

when you get dced

[wanton sierra]

gigachad

[flat willow]

I thought it would disconnect him but he came back like 4 minutes later

[wanton sierra]

i too have helped some gamers... they where very thankfull

good and old times ^^ i know wow is not made to play hc, but fun exp

[flat willow]

Yeah I thought it would be trash but tried it anyway with my brother

and it was very fun

[wanton sierra]

when my brother priest died it became kinda strange... i was not tankin as i used to be... i needed to learn how to play solo, since i was playin with him all the time

[gritty elk]

Heya was there a recent change the caused primary stat to be more valuable than secondary stats? Thought I first read that secondary is more valuable but im not seeing any changes that might have caused this to switch. could be just blind

[manic stirrup]

primary stat is always more valuable

[gritty elk]

gotcha. yeah i must have just been reading it wrong because it says the wowhead page hasn't been updated since 08/22/24. i thought it was a recent change in the article

disregard

[slender spruce]

arms better than fury in raid?

[left talon]

Mom is stronger than dad depends on the situation

[slow saddle]

But unhinged gets interaction removed

[noble path]

Arm's is edging a little bit in front atm but i mean play what you feel comfortable on tbh

[olive nest]

Nah recent apl adjustments put arms and fury basically within margin of error on ST

Pick your poison

[noble path]

oh yeah nothing really between it, just arm's will be better in the execute phases

[gaunt owl]

[olive nest]

Ohh shit! You guys got arms over 1.5!

Ayyoo

[thick kelp]

It keeps rising

[manic stirrup]

i mean

an unintended nerf vs an intended nerf

or you can argue it was an unintended “buff” that it cleaves

either way

both were “fixed”

[edgy solstice]

were a lot of people actually excited to use sweeping during bs lol

[olive nest]

Yes

I liked that interaction

[edgy solstice]

neat interaction but feels limiting imo

[thorn pelican]

its more that it feels shit that u actively have to avoid having them overlap

[olive nest]

Imagine 3 MS Crits in a row while bladestorming and they get cleaved

Pretty cool

Big number fun

[edgy solstice]

it is cool but then there's the two beefy mobs left and you no longer have sweeping

is how i look at it

people were doing it during fob spam sl s4 too

hated it

bit diff tho

[slow saddle]

I mean true power was with ravager

I guess as long as col sucks it aint to bad

So for me it was more a raid thing

[shadow ibex]

Just don't fix it still giving x2 colossus stacks

[slow saddle]

kek

[quartz gate]

just spent 30 minutes testing an apl to shove things towards the end of the sweeping strikes so the last global of the stacked multipliers are on the collateral damage

proud to announce it was a damage loss, please continue

[slow saddle]

haha 😄

[shadow ibex]

I wish colossus BS was good so I could get max demo stacks with the sweeping bug in like 3 button presses

[slow saddle]

HAHA TRUE

i just wish collosus was good

😭

[shadow ibex]

Too bad

Gotta deal with some fuckin dweebs pet design because he thinks a root is cool

[sharp wyvern]

I now believe the arms dev made fyralath

And is way to proud on that design

At least that's my tinfoil hat theory

[shadow ibex]

Who?

Must be the same cat that introduced imp slam talent with actual 0% pick rate

[slow saddle]

hahaha

yeah 100%

i mean i wanna talk to the guy that thought nerfing the base dmg of OP and MS was a good choice as well

instead of just an overall nerf of dmg

[shadow ibex]

Bro really thought he cooked when he made iftk and blunts work together

https://tenor.com/view/aww-yeah-get-over-here-gif-27631439

[slow saddle]

i mean i like hat

ngl bout that, now just make WB baseline 😄

cs is wb now

[slow saddle]

ye coz if not, why doesnt it just work like the paladin one

[shadow ibex]

That was just doing the bare minimum

[slow saddle]

i mean i dont disagree ^_^

[shadow ibex]

Should have worked like it does now at the start of DF. Be like if Tom window began early

Really just shows not a soul at blizzard ever played it

[high geyser]

hey guys what sims you get with your arms warriors ?

[slow saddle]

850

[high geyser]

single target ?

[slow saddle]

ofc?

what else ?:D

[high geyser]

ilvl ?

idk dont judge haahhaha

[slow saddle]

587

didnt bother making embellishments

[high geyser]

alright i get 836 585 ilvl

is this considered good ?

[slow saddle]

m8 who cares

we have no gea

r

[high geyser]

im just curious

[slow saddle]

its less good than me, more good than others ? i dno

i havent maximised gear esp

[high geyser]

what are your stats ?

[slow saddle]

20/20/16/8

[high geyser]

alright perfect

is it slayer ?

[slow saddle]

yes

collosus is not viable

[high geyser]

fking hell 2 weeks player arms .. i had to come to this server just tonight to realise that

[neon niche]

no, please git gud

[neon niche]

if u play sus u will play slayer np

[high geyser]

sus you mean ?

colossus alright yes

thanks

[pine oar]

Will there be boss sections for arms/fury added before tomorrow @smoky kayak ?

[slow saddle]

slayer just has 1

our raid spec is also aoe

[smoky kayak]

no, there are guides for that

[pine oar]

Right on. I just remember there being little subsections before, wasn't sure if that was coming back.

[slow saddle]

just add cleave if u have a lot of sustained aoe

[pine oar]

Oh, looks like iceyveins has them

[smoky kayak]

so does WH and Maxroll

also the FAQ builds do note which one is good for which boss

[pine oar]

Am I blind, I don't see them on wowhead haha

[olive nest]

Arch doesn’t have them on wowhead

[pine oar]

Sounds good, will keep looking, thank you

[smoky kayak]

the WH pages might not be deployed live yet, will likely be up today

[pine oar]

Right on, thank you ❤️

I see the suggestions in dps-faq, thank you

[olive nest]

Like he already mentioned, look at the dps faq in this discord it outlines witch build is good for witch boss

[pine oar]

👍

[high geyser]

whats your rotation as slayer arms ?

[slow saddle]

same as collosus - demo

buff ms use ms

slam if u cant use op or ms

[noble oxide]

slam me mommy

[slow saddle]

execute rotation is a bit different, once u get 4p

[smoky kayak]

I'll also flesh out the M+ sections tonight/tomorrow

[high geyser]

so stack overpower , colossus , mortalstrike

then op if its out slam slam

basically its like the same but i dont use demolish

[wanton ravine]

For single target colossus fighting, should I be holding overpower for two stacks or just smash whats off cooldown and keep MS on cooldown?

[high geyser]

good question

[smoky kayak]

pretty much smash on cooldown, but you can find fuller rotations in the #dps-faq linked guides

[strange perch]

Unga bladestorm bunga

Smash

Mortal strike

[smoky kayak]

waiting for 2 charges of overpower or 2 stacks of Prowess before using Mortal Strike is never worth

[strange perch]

Then game win

[wanton ravine]

Thanks, I the wowhead guide was a bit lacking, IMO when it came to these finer questions for this very enjoyable spec.

[smoky kayak]

what's lacking about it? the priority list is pretty clear

[strange perch]

Questions? Smash? Blade storm? Mortal strike? Big number win?

[slow saddle]

in execute with 4p u are waiting for 2 stacks from tier no ?

[strange perch]

Is no hard just click button

[smoky kayak]

ofc, things change regularly and will likely continue to, so there are periodic updates

[slow saddle]

at least sims seem to

[smoky kayak]

Yes

[wanton ravine]

This (https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/arms-warrior-raid-guide#rotation-header) gets way more granular for my autistic ass.

[slow saddle]

man MS and OP as much as possible

u are good

[smoky kayak]

the priority lists are virtually the same, the only difference is that one includes a picture book

[strange perch]

That what I said

Hit button win game

[slow saddle]

and SKS

[strange perch]

Unga warrior bunga

[slow saddle]

with roar

[smoky kayak]

I wouldn't call that more information, just different presentation

[strange perch]

If not on cooldown hit button

[slow saddle]

keep rend up

[strange perch]

Until all cooldown

Repeat

[slow saddle]

its short cds so just hit em ye

its not a 3min cd that makes us go boom

[wanton ravine]

Yep, explains to to me like I'm 5 an answers silly questions I got where the icy-veins one was a bit lacking, I misspoke an said wowhead.

[strange perch]

When will blizzard stop being racist and add bladestorm as a sky riding mount

That’s what I want to know

[smoky kayak]

ok, so what's lacking about the icy-veins one? because it has the exact same info as WH

[strange perch]

Too long have I moved way faster than any propellor without taking off

[smoky kayak]

answers silly questions I got
This is the part I'm curious about - pretty picture aside, what question isn't being answered?

[slow saddle]

Keep rend up - then rest is prio list basicly

cds on cd

Use ‍Execute with a ‍Sudden Death proc if you have 3x ‍Marked for Execution. <-- this will almost never happen anyways

[wanton ravine]

Yea, the maxroll site is just easier to digest I guess. I had some questions about priorities I wasn't finding easily in the icyveins guide. Works better for me.

[slow saddle]

maxroll is visually appealing yes

havent used icyveins since .. well cata i think

[strange perch]

I feel like none of these guides tell you the real truth

Which is “without a weak aura that shouts in your face you will not click the right button”

“So download one”

[smoky kayak]

I mean preference and all that is fine, I agree Maxroll has a great visual aid (and WH has bene working on something similar)

But I fail to see how that turns into "isn't answering my questions"

the visual presentation is just another format, it's not presenting any new or different information

so if there's a question not being answered, I'd like to know about it

[wanton ravine]

My questions about if its okay to slam MS with only one stack of OP or wait for two stacks. Maybe it's there and I just didn't see it.

[quartz gate]

i wouldn't be shocked if IV was working on presentation either

[smoky kayak]

it is there, it's answered the exact same way Maxroll answers it - within the priority list

just like Maxroll says "Use ‍Mortal Strike on cooldown"

[neat loom]

quick question from slayer aoe, do u press avatar colossus bladestorm first and then sweeping strikes? or u do sweeping strikes first and then bladestorm

[minor gust]

I think a lot of people get confused on the opener/priority part a lot. Wowhead says to just follow the priority as an opener, but for Slayer for example the prio has BS pretty far down so BS is delayed for awhile. Everything else points to an opener being charge > rend > Roar > Ava/CS > BS > MS > SKS into prio

[smoky kayak]

maybe but that wasn't his question

and yeah I get openers can be confusing sometimes

[wanton ravine]

I didn't read that part as to say just keep it on CD and use OP if you have one stack or not. I would read that as use it if you have two stacks available but again I just didn't read it that way.

[smoky kayak]

it doesn't say anything about stacks, it literally says "use mortal strike"

if you're now asking about overpower, that's on lines 7 and 11

• Use Overpower with two charges available - if you've used Overpower once, it no longer has two charges available
• Use Overpower - means just that, simply use it with no regard for other conditions

[high geyser]

@smoky kayak You have done all this warrior page alone ? , thank you brother thats alot of work

[smoky kayak]

we have more people contributing to apl and brainstorming now, but I write the guides, yes

[high geyser]

on behalf of all the warriors ,Thank you

[wanton ravine]

Ah, I didn't realize. Sorry if it came off as insulting your guide, wasn't meant to and I appreciate the advice.

[smoky kayak]

no its fine, I'm just trying to figure out what you're not seeing, that you seemingly are seeing elsewhere

also important to note that Maxroll doesn't show a Colossus rotation; it only covers Slayer, so what you're seeing on their page is not necessarily accurate (Colossus & Slayer have subtly different priorities)

[neat loom]

so with unhinged not procing sweeping strikes, and collateral damage stacking from sweeping. What has a higher priority on large pack, BS or Sweeping?

[smoky kayak]

meh

[neat loom]

or cba collateral 😄

[smoky kayak]

still being reevaluated, there's a lot of pro/cons

CS on a second target, extra stack of collateral

personally I lean towards saving Sweep for after BS

[neat loom]

i tried like clap>roar>sweeping>avatar>cs>sks>bs

with cleave weaves inbetween

[smoky kayak]

if you're gonna do all that before BS, then yeah you should sweep

[quartz gate]

btw i noticed the sweeping strikes has no, if=buff.sweeping_strikes.down which only really effects blademaster's torment... or does it fully extend ss ?

[smoky kayak]

it extends now

[quartz gate]

i see 🥲

[neat loom]

or i can do i guess just clap>roar>avatar>bs> sweeping>etc etc

cant figure out what is more optimal 😄

[quartz gate]

but we'd still want to drop SS and regain it for collatoral eh not really

[neat loom]

damn i thought warrior would be easier, but so many buttons it gets confusing

[dire hinge]

gotta keep it fun dont wanna be falling asleep at the keyboard

[neat loom]

u got a point there, maybe ^^

[wanton ravine]

I used some of the clarifications you pointed out and I saw a huge improvement in my DPS. Appreciate it, coming back to arms after playing fury for years which seems a bit mindless to me now which is good every now an then but this is fun for sure.

[smoky kayak]

np, feel free to ask; we're all here to get better

things change a lot too, constantly making little tweaks and updates

[cedar tide]

is there any spec that is clearly the stronger option right now?

[grave mulch]

Lmao method raiders banned for exploiting Rep gain

[tulip garden]

what happened to arms 😔

[tardy perch]

They made it fun again?

[tulip garden]

are we playing the same spec

?

[tardy perch]

Maybe not? With hero talents being a thing. You doing Colossus or Slayer?

[thorn pelican]

its been downhill since they let u cast slam while moving

[tulip garden]

its been downhill since we lost colossus smash resets

[tulip garden]

both are super weird and clunky

especially in m+

[tardy perch]

Slayer feels smooth to me. Either way, I love Arms. Late-stage Legion was peak Arms for me, and it has been a painful downward spiral since. This expansion feels like a return to form.

[barren nova]

So I was running sims, and maybe its becuase I gear is only 590, but moving utility points around and giving back the rend/thunderclap is about 1000 dps more.
Is that sim ratio for error or accurate?

[shadow ibex]

Needs to be destroyed

[tardy perch]

Less emphasis on bleed. More emphasis on action synergies.

Love it.

[tulip garden]

idk it still has a lot of the shitty parasitic bfa design locked in it

im glad we arent playing battlelord at least...

colossus feels like it would fit fury more, and mountain thane would make more sense in arms

[shut pike]

guys arms or fury for raid ?

[slow saddle]

i mean what would make sense is 100% nerf the OP multiplier from 60 % on 2 stacks to 30 %

[glass hinge]

whatever you like most

[tulip garden]

overpower gotta be one of the worst feeling buttons in wow history

[shut pike]

i like fury

[gilded stump]

Good but would be better to do it when mythic came out

[glass hinge]

Slam says hello

[tulip garden]

i'd rather slam >>> op every day brother

EVERY DAYYYY

[frank fog]

@tulip garden I feel like if Overpower leaned into its name more and actually did something to "overpower" it would feel better. Like a 5-10% CS effect on the next attack or something that makes the ability do an "overpower" on the target.

[tulip garden]

at least slam feels like it has a place

[teal fossil]

well

it sort of does

[tulip garden]

overpower doesnt spend rage

[teal fossil]

overpower makes your MS stronger

so it is "overpowering"

[tulip garden]

it always feels bad to press in the rotation imo

[agile crown]

slam sux

[tulip garden]

it never feels 'right'

[teal fossil]

well the original intent is that its the button you press while trying to conserve rage

[shadow ibex]

OP is bout as good a filler you can get

[teal fossil]

its just that the class has changed so much since then

[shadow ibex]

It does everything

[glass hinge]

i dont even have slam on my bars thats how bad it is

[dire hinge]

You overpower them because they cannot really escape it:

[Overpower] cannot be blocked, dodged, or parried.

[runic wagon]

Does anyone know how the crit effect on the culminating blasphemite works? Does it give us crit or damage or something else?

[dire hinge]

should add that flag to Demolish

[nimble yoke]

and every other move

(remove parry in pve)

[shadow ibex]

I mean OP is so good even its resets are good with 4pc

If anything too good but 🍵

[teal fossil]

its probably just crit chance

[tulip garden]

last time op was too good it was...shadowlands, i believe? when it did an insane amoutn of everything? I hate it because it feels out of place and bad. Never liked it

[teal fossil]

no

last time OP was too good was about 2 months ago

[lean bough]

@frank fog I'm with you. Overpower feels like a limp dick noodle spell to use. Even the tooltip is 240p and from classic

[shadow ibex]

Yea been amazing since a few months after DF launch

Been insane since then

[lean bough]

Even if it's good it still feels bad

[tulip garden]

it can be as good as it wants to be it still feels ass to press

[shadow ibex]

A rage positive global and boosts your damage

[teal fossil]

thats just a mindset issue nothing you can do

[shadow ibex]

What more do you want

[teal fossil]

proc SD

one shot the enemy

[lean bough]

I want a spell that feels badass to press because it has a cool animation and sick sound effects

[shadow ibex]

Also has insane crit dmg and crit chance

Lol

[glass hinge]

does AOE dmg

[shadow ibex]

It has literally everything

[glass hinge]

not capped

[shadow ibex]

Also yes aoe dmg

[tulip garden]

the rage gain is too absurd to have 2 constantly resetting charges of a shitty animation button that doesn't impact your overfilling resources

[lean bough]

Yeah except feels like shit

[shadow ibex]

It does that and you can sweeping it

[lean bough]

Remember when they reworked execute animation and added condemn?

[tulip garden]

dont remind me

[teal fossil]

how the animation is is entirely separate from the spell itself

[tulip garden]

its been ass ever since 😔

[lean bough]

Overpower animation is like a barely visible column of fart smoke

[teal fossil]

so if OP looked like odyns fury would it be good to press

[glass hinge]

OP should auto cast MS to all mobs

[lean bough]

Yes

[tulip garden]

no if op made sense it would 😈

[glass hinge]

would be good to press then

[teal fossil]

even if it did 0 damage

glad you arent balancing the game

[lean bough]

C'mon bro now you're reaching

Theres a happy Middleground here between fartsmoke and 0 damage

[teal fossil]

instead of fixing the spell interactions you just put it in a dress without fixing the fundamental problems

[shadow ibex]

It does a ton of dmg for what it is tho

[lean bough]

You actually have to squint at the screen to see the "aoe shockwave" graphic for OP

[glass hinge]

nobody plays arms to see OP animation

[lean bough]

Tooltip looks like my 2year old cousin drew it in paint

[lean bough]

Yeah but no one would be upset if they updated it a bit. You sound like some oldhead nostalgic boomer that still jerks off to memories of BC

[shadow ibex]

Our exe rotation is influenced by getting OP resets not even just casting it so if you hate OP now

Even more important

[tulip garden]

arms needs a complete rework, they're working off of the decomposing corpse that is BFA arms and they just need to give up and start over

from the ground up

[lean bough]

Agreed

[glass hinge]

Nah i just dont care about what a spell looks like lmao. if i did id play something else like arcane mage or shadow priest

[small raven]

Elemental Shammy spells sound and look so good

[dire hinge]

you guys play with your monitor on?

[sacred zodiac]

why are you spherical?

[halcyon breach]

spherical?

[fossil mantle]

I agree altough one thing that scares me cause I can see blizz totally doing it. Imagine they go "welp you already have 2 pure dps specs, people have been begging for another augmentation spec so here you go, the brand new Tactician/Commander support spec. Enjoy!"

[dire hinge]

🔮

[tulip garden]

spherical is crazy 😭

[lean bough]

That's like saying you don't care What a girl's hoo-ha smells like as long as it feels good

[dire hinge]

pull up man, let's keep it high brow

[tulip garden]

i don't think they'd do that so i wouldnt worry too much

[lean bough]

What does that mean

[dire hinge]

i believe in your ability to avoid references to women's genitalia when trying to make a point

[lean bough]

Ohhh ok. Roger that

[dire hinge]

ty

[teal fossil]

hrothmar is the god of descalation

[dire hinge]

this is a video game and i am so tired

[slow saddle]

Brothmar coz he been cooking for SO LONG !

[dire hinge]

[slow saddle]

poor guy ngl

also OP is good at least if dreadnaught was used in st

dreadnaught line makes op feel better

op without dreadnaught not so good feel

😄

[glass hinge]

interesting take

[slow saddle]

i mean its scale aing it

smell vs feels deffo

^^

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-let's-go-up-only-degen-gif-3256108986590168319

[fossil mantle]

I mean to be fair Ticon looks like a sales influencer on LinkedIn, his language was on point

"What mythic raiding taught me about B2B"

[shadow ibex]

DN being good on st wasn't great

[fringe moon]

I'm a bit surprised by the embellishments that are BIS

when I simmed, I was seeing different results

[slow saddle]

The line made op feel better to push visually idc bout tuning

[lean bough]

I actually work in sales 😅 that's hilarious

[fossil mantle]

Well you know what they say, takes one to know one

[dire hinge]

were you simming with end-of-season gear? Or just what you had on currently?

[fringe moon]

was simming what I had currently at 590. Wanted to see if the +vers embellishment was better than elemental focus

[dire hinge]

that'd definitely do it yeah, those scale with ilvl iirc

(of the piece they're applied to)

what's good currently isn't what will be good when we're running around in 630s

[fair tangle]

Why do we not take Warbreaker in M+?

Am I missing something?

[fringe moon]

I think I also simmed 636 items too at one point, but only the pieces that I was checking the embellishments for

[noble oxide]

Sks in m+ too eh?

Gross

[minor gust]

Very lil aoe gain for major ST loss

[fair tangle]

Okay fair enough

[dire hinge]

Blunt Instruments now lets the duration of "In for the Kill" match the extended CS duration

big haste window for longer

[river ridge]

You can run SKS, but I just run massacare for additional single target on bosses.

Obviously on like the Dawn Bringer final boss it's buns since it never reaches execute phase

[noble oxide]

It’s just such an unfun button

I like the idea of taking massacre

[river ridge]

It's fine in Single Target, but the AoE portion of Arms is cluttered as is without another button.

[shadow ibex]

Die sks

[noble oxide]

Agreed

[thorn tulip]

exactly

[noble oxide]

Is there still uncertainty around embellishments? Or are we waiting to craft anything until m+?

[dire hinge]

Every team has their own rules when it comes to crafting stuff, so nobody can tell you what to do here. There was hesitancy around crafting since it's all subject to tuning still (even today, some might happen still, who knows).

current sims have Ascendance (weapon) + Neurebian Doubler, but 2x Duskweave is solid as well.

The issue with it being on a Weapon is that if you craft your weapon tomorrow, you could get a Weapon drop from raid, especially next week with potential of a Myth track weapon from bosses. So comitting now means possibly losing out on a boss drop slot, when you could have embelished something else instead.

^ This will be a choice you, and possibly your team, need to make. There isn't a perfect answer here.

[unkempt tulip]

am i doing something wrong or do you just overcap on rage a lot as arms

[noble oxide]

Yeah I get it. I’ll probably just wait for now, especially with class tuning probably coming too

[shadow ibex]

It feels dirty to have weapon embellish beat ilvl

Not warrior type at all

Guts would never

[steep wedge]

Man how ya simming for 850k i sim for like 650k with all buffs and stuff

[dark nacelle]

Hey guys quick question. Which gem is currently best for slayer? Flat crit? any of the blasphemites?

[nova marsh]

Sim it

Also always get multi stat

The normal sat gems have less overall

[dark nacelle]

Gotcha. I only have one gem slot right now so probably the multi stat over blasphemite since I won't have more gems for it to benefit from

[left talon]

B tier gang

[nova marsh]

Tier lists bad

Fun good

Arms is kinda fun

Thus good

[vestal nacelle]

Anyone got the link for the spell reflect spreadsheet or has there been one for this expansion yet?

[dire hinge]

This is common, especially pre-execute phase.

Slayer will swim in rage throughout, Colossus can leave you feeling slightly low in execute.

[thorn pelican]

been dumping excess rage into ignore pain just to feel better about it

[nova marsh]

Oh god playing like s2 arms

[shadow ibex]

ethical war

[thorn pelican]

well its off gcd.. and spends excess rage.. so its kinda like wotlk arms

heroic strike

😅

just reusing the muscle memory ig

[dire hinge]

Just don’t do it in execute 😅

[mental gazelle]

is arms going to be meta in raid or fury?

[untold trench]

Yes

[vital mulch]

Agree with FunkyKitty

[dreamy egret]

how in the hell did people get their hands on the pattern already ?

[grave mulch]

Theres no other source???? Like a cache from world quest or something?

[vital mulch]

There is

The bags you buy for 600 Acu

Have a shot on several Formulas/Recipes

These bags

Satchel of Surplus Ore is the one most buy. Because even if your gamble fails and you get no Formula/recipe it's the one that gives the mats that sells for the most

[grand mason]

Arms or Fury ST?

[shadow ibex]

Find out with us tomorrow

We'll all learn together

[trim pike]

i havent kept up with this but are weapons from the raid just useless for us cuz of the emb on our crafted weapon lol

[fossil fable]

guys just finished campaing today and i havent enough time to do all the weekly content. Whats most important? Already did the main one in dornogal to get the purple chest and some others to get 4 keys

now what? hold the keys or delve?

[uncut pasture]

if you haven't gotten tier 3 delves unlocked you can prob do that while getting Brann some XP, don't spend any keys until next week though when the higher tiers open

[fossil fable]

got to tier 3 already

hold keys got it ty

anything else i should do?

did the protect the dwarf one too

got mount first try lol

[uncut pasture]

unless you want to grind valorstones/odd globs of wax then there isn't too much else to do

[dense vector]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q7CdeDHkoBeryyoAP2H6UR

ARMS OWNS

[fervent glen]

i heard someone say that the engineering pocket grenade pouch+mastery over 80% cloak was fairly close to nerubian ascension embelishment, was i being memed? would love to finally have an engineering embelishment not be rubbish lol

[edgy solstice]

it sims highest for me rn

outside of ascendance+writhing

[shadow ibex]

i think they are all pretty close by design

[edgy solstice]

but it's prob gonna fall off

can't imagine grenades will scale well but idk

plus grenades is split damage

[spice stag]

what gives sudden death 2 stacks? proc + slayer proc together or something?

[uncut pasture]

it stacks up to 2 now baseline

[elder nacelle]

tbh I think Fury will be the one due to Darkmoon sigil, as atleast on paper it's like 20k bonus secondaries ?

[woven wasp]

that would be getting memed yeah

youre looking at double thread for mythc plus/agnostic

or ascension and writhing for raid

[halcyon breach]

Ascension does not give 20k

Also that's not what determines what spec is the best for a scenario

[dense vector]

I’ll be playing arms because it’s more fun to me

Unless there becomes a large discrepancy between the 2 I won’t swap

Maybe in keys I’ll do fury just to survive

[dire hinge]

can also just use the forbidden button

(defensive stance)

[thick kelp]

Arms and squishy dont belong in same sentencw

[edgy solstice]

warrior in general kinda beefy af now

might not even matter much that fury is tankier

[fossil fable]

die by the sword hands down best skill in the game

[shadow ibex]

first ra-den kill cuz of DBTS

prot war died got agro cuz second highest is where dps war usually is

insta dbts

[latent moss]

been beefy for a while

people just refuse to use defensives

[edgy solstice]

ya relatively beefy

but even moreso with new talents

more cc, second wind, BI easy to spec into

[obtuse galleon]

so ignore pain doesn't match the tooltip. seems to be off by like 72%

[boreal quartz]

It's max 1 mil

Actual absorb is shit rn

[uncut pasture]

it stacks

the tooltip is the cap

[boreal quartz]

(which is still too low IMO)

If you are aware enough to triple IP it should be like 2.5 mil

[glad prairie]

So if i want to play both specs in raid wtf do i craft, weapon is 2 damn sparks

[polar stream]

Don’t craft weapon. Not worth it

You get higher ilvl from raids and vault. Use for off pieces and embellish

[astral yarrow]

If you want immediate power, weapon is the better choice, but its kind of a gamble whether you get a weapon off mythic bosses or vault 🤷‍♀️

[unique bridge]

weapon is more for the embellish then anything else

not sure it's worth the two sparks as arms

[worldly kernel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8WVUi3Hroh6YXAn7SFVkXh big dam

Also yeah I wanna craft because i'm having to compete with 6 other people but that's only if I don't get one from my vault or from heroic

but I wanna use my sparks for other stuff though since it is using 2

[unique bridge]

The other alt is getting two crafted pieces (bracers/cloak) and then getting your double embellish from that for the same timeframe as getting one wep

but you shouldn't be rushing to use sparks anyway

[astral yarrow]

nah hold till mythic week if you care

Depending on your progression prospects, the weapon might be your best choice regardless 🤷‍♀️

although the stat embellishments on armor is good in keys

[unique bridge]

and if you plan on doing any tanking, at least the armour pieces can also be used for that too

[halcyon breach]

Would say if you plan on playing multiple specs, just picking 2x Versa is the best setup

Gives the most flexibility

[worldly kernel]

unless fury is just outperforming arms in raid and keys i'm staying arms but I already have a dedi group for key pushing

[astral yarrow]

but wep is cool

[halcyon breach]

Abolish Aag

[astral yarrow]

reeee

[worldly kernel]

I mean i'll see if I don't end up getting wep from first boss, vault or w/e I might just end up crafting it's up in the air right now

[astral yarrow]

[thick kelp]

[halcyon breach]

[worldly kernel]

[astral talon]

ok so what's the consensus for raid

arms or fury?

[untold pewter]

Find out tomorrow together with all of us

[boreal quartz]

Fury is so easy to prog on

For same damage

But 2t you play arms obv

[astral yarrow]

both are very close ST, some fights very clearly favor fury while court might be giga arms 🤷‍♀️

nobody knows for real yet

[thick kelp]

Why is everyone still on the fury train

[unique bridge]

Have both gear sets at 589 setup, however leaning arms.
Will see what the super nerds going for clears do from the get go

[thick kelp]

When mythic week rolls around you will see Revves on Arms

[astral yarrow]

They are banned

[untold pewter]

Play whichever you are best at if you care about numbers

[unique bridge]

There are bigger nerds hahaha @astral yarrow

There's always a bigger nerd

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerdge-gif-23738139

[astral talon]

equal on both, that's why im asking 😄

[untold pewter]

Then whichever you prefer is fine this time around
Arms is just more work

[astral yarrow]

Only a couple of Liquid players are banned so i think tuesday warriors are safe

[boreal quartz]

Fury cuz stam

[astral talon]

👍

[river ridge]

Cuz Warpaint + Second 2H Weapon is a crazy additional source of effective HP.

[thick kelp]

Okay but u dont need

[untold pewter]

Bro Arms isn't squishy...

Lmao

[thick kelp]

Just def stance

and ip (if they actually make it give a good shield again)

[astral yarrow]

proactive vs reactive

[thick kelp]

Arms survivbility has a higher skill floor than fury has skill ceiling

[river ridge]

Never said it was. Just simply the extra EHP is why a lot of people prog as Fury.

[untold pewter]

I swear I've never felt like I needed extra survivability for raid playing Arms

[astral yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dropped-this-king-you-dropped-this-queen-you-dropped-this-you-dropped-this-king-meme-you-dropped-this-meme-gif-25206668

[astral yarrow]

did you play 8.3

[untold pewter]

What's that again?

[astral yarrow]

i have never felt as paper as i did playing arms then

[lusty creek]

is the slayer hero talents good to progress in m+ or i should play colossus?

[thick kelp]

8.3? Okay grandpa

[astral yarrow]

Nyalotha

[thick kelp]

Slayer

[river ridge]

Slayer 100%

[untold pewter]

I skipped BFA so only legion and everything since SL

[astral yarrow]

it was spicy

[untold pewter]

Before that I wasn't maining warrior
Big mistake

[astral yarrow]

did we even have SR then

i dont even remember

[astral yarrow]

ayo game was good then

unfortunately for me i played entire bfa

[thick kelp]

Didnt even know game existed in BFA

[astral yarrow]

lucky you

i almost quit

but that was mostly because i played with garbage humans

[thick kelp]

Was busy playing League of Legends in master tier tryharding my teen years away

[astral yarrow]

humans was a nice word

[untold pewter]

I couldn't handle the move from Legion to BFA and dropped it altogether kek

[quasi torrent]

np

just dstance and dbts

arms was squish tier dogshit

[astral yarrow]

same, just back when Diamond was the highest shit

[river ridge]

I think in Nylotha we had DbtS and defensive stance if you gave up Bounding Stride Right?

[thick kelp]

🎦

[astral yarrow]

have a few keyboards to show for tourneys lol

[untold pewter]

I did login here and there and did some bullshit like farming honor for that essence

[quasi torrent]

u never picked bounding in bfa on either spec

[astral yarrow]

I remember it as not even having Impending Victory

[boreal quartz]

I dont recall running IV before sepulcher on fury

[quasi torrent]

IV was with double time and storm bolt i think

[astral yarrow]

giving up double time

[river ridge]

It was stormbolt so you could stun your ghost

[woven wasp]

yeah it was always iv against double time

[quasi torrent]

pov u play keys

[thick kelp]

Holdon im watching "THE ARMS WAR META! 8.3 Arms Warrior PVE GUIDE"

[boreal quartz]

MASSIVE CLEAVAGE

[quasi torrent]

(deep wounds)

[thick kelp]

Cinematic

[quasi torrent]

maybe deep wounds was a reference to magni saying DE WOOOUNS CHA'MION

[boreal quartz]

Woons

[quasi torrent]

that's what he really meant

[astral yarrow]

SJAMPION

[thick kelp]

What a talent tree for ST

[astral yarrow]

SKS was barely pressed

[river ridge]

We had so much rage from corruption xD

[quasi torrent]

yeah i just swapped to WM

[astral yarrow]

Felt so much better

[river ridge]

Yeah our defensives were garbo than xD

[quasi torrent]

mass and rend also had uses

[astral yarrow]

SKS was just a little damage + 20 rage i think

[quasi torrent]

collat could be funny on some bosses

[thick kelp]

Can they just make rend situational again :3

[quasi torrent]

it was like crit dmg buff then

did fuck all dam

[thick kelp]

Can they just delete rend :3

[astral yarrow]

Running collat on ST bosses in SL cause WB would overwrite leggo procs

[woven wasp]

so real

[river ridge]

But BfA was all about your Test of Might Windows. So no one ran Rend cuz you needed to be able to dump rage

[quasi torrent]

what windows bro

u had tom perma

[river ridge]

Pre-corruption you didn't

[quasi torrent]

nothing u did outside lucid and exe mattered

[astral yarrow]

Keys as arms was the most delayed burst but so much damage

[quasi torrent]

okay arms didn't matter outside nyalotha and uldir
and in uldir u played EP not TOM

[astral yarrow]

"burst"

[quasi torrent]

Flat liner

[river ridge]

Yup, but doesn't change my statement lol

[quasi torrent]

Makes what you say utterly pointless tho

[astral yarrow]

fat ToM buff, bladestorm into BotE to buff Deep Wounds lol

[quasi torrent]

just disagreeing to disagree without any relevant info

[river ridge]

That people played a spec they enjoyed instead of playing meta and there was a correct way to do that?

Like don't be a jerk here.

[quasi torrent]

hey now, bladestorm did okay dam with all the buffs rolling

[astral yarrow]

Melee aff lock with 2 dots

[quasi torrent]

rend no dambur tho gg

[astral yarrow]

isnt that what agony is to locks

i dont even remember if agony does damage

it just generates

[normal marsh]

The new rotation on wowhead makes it seem like we're okay leaving OP on 2 stacks if it comes to it (previous version had us keep at least 1 on cd), this the case or am I misreading?

[dull rampart]

is the two trinkets on wowhead, sacbrood and shard, are those two still highest simming?

[thick kelp]

Basically when you get OP back thru tactician you wanna press it as #1 prio over your other rotational buttons, in actual play this will make that you basically never sit on 2 OP stacks outside of opener

[heady cradle]

should i omen craft a sword?