#arms

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plucky fern
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its a spender then not filler

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if its in a good state but with no cd

slow saddle
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slam is a filler

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it still spends rage

plucky fern
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yes but do we really need a filler if we will have a good spender
im talking current state of ms, we wouldnt want to spam it because unbuffed ms is trash

slow saddle
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its a mortal strike, big blow ability

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we should never spam that, but yes martial prowess is the issue here

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EP is good, coz it adds power to ms in execute phase so we dont just spam execute

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martial prowess just makes Baseline MS weak

plucky fern
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idk why mortal strike must be a 'big blow' button

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it never was untill they introduced mp and ep

slow saddle
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?_?

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ehm

plucky fern
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big blow was always execute

slow saddle
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ms was fucking GOD

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dmg

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since tbc ?_?

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it just had CD

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and execute could be spammed

flat willow
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or they can do it like in mop, make mortal strike generate rage instead of spending, make slam cost more rage and hit a lot harder, it would fix the problem of being rage starved the moment we get into exec phase

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and make slam not an awful button to press

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because pressing slam used to be nice

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arms has a lot of good iteration

plucky fern
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why fixing slam when they can remove it and fix ms instead

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fuck slam

flat willow
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its just that all the ones after legion suck

slow saddle
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bfa wasnt horrid

flat willow
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it was

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worse than legion on every aspect

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and people only liked it because lol 500% haste with corruption

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which led to 5000000000000 strength with tom

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and deepwound doing half your damage

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nothing about it was good

slow saddle
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amg

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i was thinkin bout wod

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but wod was before legiono

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Shadowlands also had ok arms

flat willow
slow saddle
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slam is fine, either make it proc OP i guess

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i dont particulalor enjoy op

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but

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i just realized martial prowess is fucking 30% per

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wtf was blizzard thinking

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10% per would be more than enough extra power

nimble yoke
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yea MP gives almost as much as EP lol

plucky fern
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idk some big changes to core abilities should be done
currently ms slam and op are kinda the same abilities with minor differences, they hit for about the same unbuffed but ms has a cd, op costs no rage, and slam is just a baseline bonk
why do we need 3 almost identical abilities

flat willow
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that's always been the case

slow saddle
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removing martial prowess would make MS hit way harderf

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and distinguish it

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also would make The unhinged feel even better 😄

flat willow
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it wouldn't

frigid cipher
slow saddle
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ikr

flat willow
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your biggest mortal strike would just hit way less hard

slow saddle
flat willow
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your average ms would be higher

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yes

slow saddle
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the baseline buff of it would mean bigger avg crits

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and less volatility

flat willow
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they will not let you hit 5 2M mortal strike during ravager

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the average would be bigger, maybe

slow saddle
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it would make u hit harder on avg

flat willow
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but the high mortal strikes wouldn't exist

slow saddle
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well the thing is silly dude

flat willow
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and I think people enjoy those

slow saddle
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we dont play rav

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we play bladestorm

flat willow
slow saddle
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so buffing the avg would mean way more

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also not 1 single person

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ejoys the high ms

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coz the lows are to low

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and a non crit buffed ms feels so horrid

frigid cipher
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Martial prowess is core to arms feeling good. It’s what made legion arms good

flat willow
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I don't know about that

slow saddle
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a 60% dmg increase

flat willow
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I really think you don't understand arms

slow saddle
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is not good

flat willow
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yes it is

slow saddle
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no

plucky fern
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1 stack mp would be healthy

flat willow
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1 stack mp like in legion would probably be better

plucky fern
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just need something to fill that place of second overpower in rotation

flat willow
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but it should be 50%

slow saddle
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legit dude, if u cant grasp that stacking multiplier UPON multipliers isnt a good thing

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i dno what to say

flat willow
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why

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that's how legion arms worked

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and everyone loved it

slow saddle
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because it always fucks any kind of baseline dmg

flat willow
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yes

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and

slow saddle
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and legion arms was in all honestly same as every1 else

frigid cipher
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Yea legion base ms was noodle

slow saddle
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overrated

frigid cipher
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Buffed Ms was a truck

slow saddle
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coz of artifact weapons

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ppl loved them, and the way they worked

flat willow
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artifact weapons are just passives

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current talent trees could be considered artifact weapons

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the principle is the same

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you could have the exact arms of legion with current talent trees if blizzard wanted

sharp wyvern
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We only want legion arms back cause the warbreaker animation

slow saddle
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exactly

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it was WB that was fuckin imho

plucky fern
flat willow
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what are you talking about

plucky fern
sharp wyvern
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Wb + CS uptime

slow saddle
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and martial prowess last time i cheked was how much ?

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in legion ?

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shattered defenses 15% ?

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now u say MP with 60% is good

flat willow
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shattered defense was 50%

frigid cipher
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It was 50

slow saddle
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it was an overall adding to what ?

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all dmg r?

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or next ms

frigid cipher
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And a crit boost also

flat willow
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no it was next ms

slow saddle
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also it says

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it was for Execute and ms

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so u could choose

flat willow
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  • the colossus debuff + 2 75% EP + battle cry
nimble yoke
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was colossus smash the same shit?

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like 45s cooldown or

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was it super short

flat willow
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  • focused rage until it got gutted
sharp wyvern
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CS reset

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On procs

frigid cipher
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Cs in legion is overpower now

flat willow
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legion arms had way more and way stronger modifiers

sharp wyvern
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Probably had a longer CD actually but it didn't matter

flat willow
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no it didn't

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especially once they added the longer cs duration with a shorter cd

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anyway modifiers are what's good about arms

slow saddle
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remember focused rage was OFF GCD

flat willow
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that's the core of the class

slow saddle
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nah its not

jovial flax
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Are you arms pvers anticipating buffs? Or it’s well balanced atm

slow saddle
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balance is fine

sharp wyvern
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Focused raged sucked ass you had so much downtime waiting for rage

slow saddle
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we just hate how it plays m8

jovial flax
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You only played fr iirc first raid or maybe first 2

plucky fern
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wouldnt mind a small defence buff

jovial flax
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Legion arms was the best though

plucky fern
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to be on same level as fury

jovial flax
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Could literally copy paste it

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And I’d not complain

sharp wyvern
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Well clearly not

flat willow
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focused rage was a rage dump

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if you ran out of rage you should have pressed it less, rage wasn't super good in nightmare

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but by nighthold it was good

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but everyone played fury

nimble yoke
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focused rage with DF amounts of rage

sharp wyvern
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So it was litterly like IP in DF

flat willow
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no

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it was like heroic strike

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people like heroic strike

sharp wyvern
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*Classic players

plucky fern
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FR is like a better version of heroic strike tbh

jovial flax
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I don’t think focused rage was very popular no?

flat willow
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it was until they completely gutted it in tomb

sharp wyvern
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To bad blizz doesn't want any off gcd DMG buttons anymore

jovial flax
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By tomb is wasn’t played

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And tomb arms was bis

flat willow
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blizzard allows plenty of off gcd dmg button

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to other classes

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fire mage spams fireblast like there's no tomorrow

frigid cipher
slow saddle
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yeah issue is 100% that pvp balance, if u can stack to many multipliers for arms and just go 1 shot

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they dont like that

plucky fern
sharp wyvern
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Not arcane?

flat willow
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they can literally put pvp aura nerfs for that, pvp shouldn't ever matter for pve at this point

slow saddle
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ret is also well designed imho at least

flat willow
slow saddle
flat willow
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but we aren't allowed our off gcd rage dump

slow saddle
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also tbh i dont think we need more Off gcd shit either

daring heron
flat willow
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he was summoned

plucky fern
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arms definetly could use an off gcd button

slow saddle
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just give me a more stable dmg output not based on critting when i have 8 multipliers up

flat willow
slow saddle
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arms has 1

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its called ip for defense in prog

sharp wyvern
plucky fern
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yeah yeah ip i know

slow saddle
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that is where exess rage should be spend

plucky fern
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i mean rotational

slow saddle
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nah

sharp wyvern
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OP is not IP

slow saddle
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just give me sweeping strikes

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outside gcd

fossil mantle
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bring back focused rage for ms and cleave

plucky fern
sharp wyvern
plucky fern
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would be too fun for blizzard to allow that

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not happening

slow saddle
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i mean its just weird r sweeping half a gcd again just feels weird

sharp wyvern
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Imagine macroing OP to every other button

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Sounds fun

jovial flax
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Passive sweeping 🤤

slow saddle
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nah

jovial flax
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And then make EP a self buff again

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Instead of debuff

slow saddle
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ep self buff yes

plucky fern
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Sweeping strikes off gcd with 5 sec duration and rage cost that stacks, thoughts?

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like shield block for prot

slow saddle
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nah just like it is now

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of gcd just

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is fine

sharp wyvern
slow saddle
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Fatality is just horridd

nimble yoke
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yeah redesign it aka remove it lol

slow saddle
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i know its there so we wanna press ms

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even if ms hits bad we get something

sharp wyvern
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So make it buff MS

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Easy

plucky fern
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fatality not bad design its just undertuned and horribly placed in tree

slow saddle
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idno, please no more multiplyers

sharp wyvern
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We need more MS amps

slow saddle
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plz no

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less volatilty more stable dmg output

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or on Demand dmg

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not rando mumbojumbo

flat willow
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No

nimble yoke
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fatality should make us do more dmg below 35% give more execute

flat willow
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More volatility

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More amps

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More crits

slow saddle
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i presume u 100% are a troll that plays low lvl content

plucky fern
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imagine stacking 20 stacks of fatality and then hitting a 10m fatality proc

sharp wyvern
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Shaman ascendancy level of procs

plucky fern
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the dophamine

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instead it hits for like a mil

sharp wyvern
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You don't even see the number lol

flat willow
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Remove fatality

jovial flax
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I’ve played some assa rogue this xpac and sudden demise is like 10000 x better than our execute

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In terms of damage anyway

slow saddle
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we need this add to do die, sorry boss i have to add my 10 gcds of buttons to make ms hit hard enough, oh wait its dead, oh well off to next one, wait now it didnt crit sorry boss half dmg

plucky fern
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idk people hate fatality that much, in the list of 'must be removed/reworked' its not even in top 3

nimble yoke
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man i've levelled like 8 classes and each one made me wonder why i main warr lmao

plucky fern
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couldnt explain better

slow saddle
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but for sure fatality isnt so bad

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its more bad memories 😄

sharp wyvern
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I'm not at that point I enjoy arms gameplay its just some of the talents that are weird

slow saddle
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im just a 2 trick pony

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fury or arms

sharp wyvern
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That boss multiplier sucked too cause now you have to hope your group doesn't do to much or too little dmg

slow saddle
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and lets be honest fury has played way better than arms last 2 expansions

slow saddle
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oh ye i forgot

plucky fern
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i'd play fury if thane would be stronger

slow saddle
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AUG also interacted

sharp wyvern
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Smoldy

slow saddle
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ye ^_^

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like if it just didnt EVER multiply by anything

sharp wyvern
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Idk fury has to be ALOT better for me to play it

slow saddle
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it wouldda felt better

sharp wyvern
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I just enjoy arms to much

slow saddle
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4m everytime u get to execute phase

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ye its booring talent, but at least makes sense

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but now i do same thing 1 time 4m next time 8

sharp wyvern
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I wouldn't even have a problem with fatality if it wouldn't scale with anything

slow saddle
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yeah exactly

nimble yoke
slow saddle
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but scaling with outside factors is a horrid thing

nimble yoke
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but there are too many classes i wanna play man

sharp wyvern
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But the weird min maxing with boss amps /Aug and tom makes it miserablr

plucky fern
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what if fatality stored % of damage that mortal strike did, instead of flat number?

nimble yoke
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i wanna play 4 characters at most but there's like 7 classes i'm interested in lol

slow saddle
plucky fern
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and not affected by modifiers when it procs

sharp wyvern
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Let's talk about demolish crits

slow saddle
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u mean

sharp wyvern
slow saddle
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demo PARRIES

jovial flax
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@nimble yoke I mean I’m new to rogue but in dungeons when shit drops below 15 they just pop

nimble yoke
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still think demolish should give 10% crit chance per stack

jovial flax
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Aoe don’t have do anything

plucky fern
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demo TANKMOVEDMONSTERSTOOFAR

nimble yoke
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which i think you usually do lol

slow saddle
plucky fern
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its the worst fucking feeling with colossus so far

slow saddle
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i dno it just isnt a feel good spell

plucky fern
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hitting air

jovial flax
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I think even without cds assa aoe feels really nice

plucky fern
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with your demolish that youve been setting up for 30 seconds

sharp wyvern
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Didn't they fix that with spear

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You don't have to stand in it anymore

slow saddle
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but thats not the issue ^^the issue is mob moves away ^^

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but ye spear is fixxed

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spear is now good gameplay

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hit mobs FUCK EM UP

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like that makes sense

sharp wyvern
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Just wait for the new icon

slow saddle
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only took 2 expansions

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😄

sharp wyvern
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Bliz embracing the poop color for warr

plucky fern
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too bad spear doesnt exist for arms

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as long as roar is that good

slow saddle
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ye spear is not good for arms at all

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unless Demo gets buffed insanely ofc

sharp wyvern
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Roar gets buffed by arms rend talents is the problem

slow saddle
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also keep in mind roar is 45 sec

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spear is to long of a cd for arms

sharp wyvern
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100% crit chance at 10 stacks
or 100% increased crit chance at 10 stacks

slow saddle
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and above 100% crit chance we would just get crit DMG

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for the last %

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BIG dam

plucky fern
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roar's place could as a capstone for arms, fury doesnt need it they have odyns, prot idk maybe should also have it as a talent but who cares they play spear anyway

raw dagger
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do u guys enjoy Rend?

sharp wyvern
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Fury uses it as soon as there are adds

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On almost every boss in amirdrassil fury used roar

jovial flax
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I like historically when rend is a good st filler

plucky fern
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i mean yeah fury uses its because its strong but design wise it can be easilly removed from fury

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they have enough strong cooldowns

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too many even

sharp wyvern
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I wouldn't call onslaught a CD

woven wasp
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? okay then you can justify removing it from arms too

plucky fern
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not really because its the ONLY real aoe cooldown for arms

sharp wyvern
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BS?

nimble yoke
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wtf lol

plucky fern
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bladestorm is just a debuff/unhinged engine tbh

slow saddle
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i mean spec treee

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make OF furys roar i guess

sharp wyvern
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Roar instead fatality peepostudy

plucky fern
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yeah thats what im talking about

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instead of fatality is perfect place

sharp wyvern
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Make fatality a class thing so prot and fury have to suffer too

plucky fern
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all those bleed talents leading to roar

slow saddle
plucky fern
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as a capstone

slow saddle
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but ye would make sense with all bleeds - sks leeding into roar for sure

sharp wyvern
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And make those 2 talents below basline

plucky fern
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would unload class tree as well

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imagine all the points we can spend

sharp wyvern
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Then we have another spot for shockwave as a capstone

slow saddle
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haha

plucky fern
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idk it could be just some passives as capstones in class tree

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works for other classes

slow saddle
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i mean lots of armses issue is also the warlords torment nerfs

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like for real why

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u fuck us like that

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didnt even let us double bladestorm spin ftw either

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coz they nerfed the ST talent so much MT talent was better

sharp wyvern
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And don't let us cleave unhinged

slow saddle
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i know the dmg was not a lot

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but i still dont understand why

plucky fern
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both warlords will be reworked i believe

slow saddle
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they have to be

plucky fern
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if not - then all the memes about blizzard forgetting armsare not memes

slow saddle
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those talents are so important for AVATAR to feel better

sharp wyvern
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Just gotta hope warrior wasn't cooked yet for the class balance in november

slow saddle
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the multitalent one isnt to bad

nimble yoke
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can't wait for the massive arms rework we're getting in 2 days

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exciting stuff

slow saddle
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multitarget

nimble yoke
sharp wyvern
slow saddle
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here it comes back to armored to the teeth

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being a 2 talent point

plucky fern
slow saddle
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and still having two handed specilazation in our class tree, removing this 1 talent would change A LOT

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WTF IS THAT

nimble yoke
plucky fern
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battle shout radius increased by 1 yards

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huge changes

slow saddle
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i played DK after their rework now

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like the class trees next to warrior

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i dno what to say

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like FR

plucky fern
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their class tree is very good now

raw dagger
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arms warrior has a cool fantasy but the execution is a bit lacking imo

plucky fern
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and it has only one active ability in 3rd row

slow saddle
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it 100% makes sense

plucky fern
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it works great

slow saddle
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u get passive shit to existing defensive abilities

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u get the execute thingy early

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slappy hands for some slappin about

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we had the same amount of rework, they just only adressed the M+ cries for no utility

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which isnt rly what was the core issue of warrior in m+

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we had plenty of utility

plucky fern
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which amouts of rework did we get

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moving SW upper

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is not same amounts

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tbh

slow saddle
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man they went through our tree

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this is what they came up with

plucky fern
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dks got a lot of new stuff and way more shuffling

slow saddle
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moving shockwave changing the torments. rend into clap . reverb change

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problem is the Choice nods they made for warrior

plucky fern
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we got like what, shockwave easier to access and a bunch of meaningless shuffling so we still take all the same shit but in different positions of tree

slow saddle
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removed good things

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dreadnaught + soa

plucky fern
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yeah forgot clap, i guess 2 good changes

slow saddle
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as an example

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we used to have both now we have 1

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finishing blows is a seperate talent as wel

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stuff like that they just made us worse in rework 😄

plucky fern
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fb is a meme

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i doubt anyone picked that talent ever

slow saddle
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the fact that endurance training is 2 points

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for 10%

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and that long down in the talent tree

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dk is 20 in tier 2 or 3

plucky fern
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well archi once explained that they have his magic number of talents that have to be in each section of the tree

slow saddle
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or at least 1 talent point

plucky fern
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and they HAVE to hit that number

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thats why we have those 2 talenters

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they are just lazy to add new stuff

slow saddle
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sure sure, but then move armored to the teeth

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up

plucky fern
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so just making this stupid 2 pointers is the solution

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sadly

slow saddle
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Rallying cry at 10%

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cant be a fucking talent

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thats baseline

plucky fern
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oh dont remind me

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my boy rally

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mudered brutally

slow saddle
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same with two weapon specialazation

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as well

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why is it placed there

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but rf try to remove it

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and c that 1 extra talent point opens up a lot

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imagine endurange training being 1 pointer

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u could choose health or dmg

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also honed reflexes

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Fr 5%? 😄

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10% then mby u could in theory feel it

fossil rampart
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Imagine if sweeping strikes was baseline. How unique arms would be, how much better the spec would feel to play and how much more valued it'd be

slow saddle
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sweeping strikes is baseline ?:?

fossil rampart
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Nah i mean not on cd

thick kelp
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Like passive

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u mena

fossil rampart
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^

slow saddle
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nah passive would be horrid

fossil rampart
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What how

slow saddle
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but off gcd would feel better, not ness make a big difference

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passive is pressing cleave

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so having sweeping passive would just be weird then

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but having it off gcd = nice

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it doesnt change dmg numbers or anything a lot, but that half of a gcd when trying to get the "opener" off is just so anoying

frigid cipher
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Had passive SS and cleave in legion sadge

slow saddle
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which wasnt a good thing imho at least

frigid cipher
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And SS hit 2 extra

minor gust
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I was specifically referring to high keys. Low keys do not matter

frigid cipher
fossil rampart
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Changing numbers isn't my point. The qol that gives is just insane

slow saddle
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yup

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100%

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also it makes no sense a 15 sec thing has a 1 sec gdc

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make it 14 an no gcd

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if u want to do us like that idc

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it just makes spec feels slow at a time where u wanna blast 😄

fossil rampart
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Crazy how people in this discord come up with insanely good and easy fixes to such universal problems for arms but here we are with a fucking champion's spear icon update

slow saddle
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at and lets be honest

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im playing blue spear

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not brown

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now that i dont have to stand in circle. if im ever playing spear im playing blue 😄

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brown makes it even harder to c shit 😄

thick kelp
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they will surely change warrior

fossil rampart
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For sure. 100%

slow saddle
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if not, at least fury is decently fun to play

worn grotto
minor gust
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Numerically yes

fossil rampart
worn grotto
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Whats wrong with it

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Im playing it and it doesn’t feel terrible

wanton sierra
flat willow
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cds don't align, it's boring as shit, barely any rage management until you start execute phase and you are perma rage starved

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on top of my head

worn grotto
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Ah yeah cds i can see

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Idk im playing arms and frost so atleast i get two cringe rotations

minor gust
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Same generic gameplay since BFA talents are completely cursed

fossil rampart
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The issues at hand aren't game changing or game breaking so much so that they need to be changed immediately

minor gust
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Burn it all down and start again

fossil rampart
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It's just a change of pace is seriously needed rn

worn grotto
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Give arms.. another 2hander

woven wasp
worn grotto
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Or bring back glad

fossil rampart
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The spec in of itself needs to be changed fundamentally, not drastically but tweaked

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And blizzard chooses to not do that for some reason

flat willow
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glad had good gameplay

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well it was more or less mop fury

minor gust
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Clearly arms needs to be a 2h and shield

worn grotto
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They need to give warriors a brez

woven wasp
flat willow
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still can't believe they gave paladins even more utility

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nice spyro shield

worn grotto
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Warriors are like

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Why would u invite one to a pug

wanton sierra
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not shield not a second hander...

minor gust
wanton sierra
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we die by thhe sword

worn grotto
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At least with dk they have brez

worn grotto
minor gust
flat willow
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I mean now we can pick shockwave so I don't feel as screwed as I used to

worn grotto
flat willow
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but the problem is the core gameplay of the spec since BFA

woven wasp
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utility is a cope argument

worn grotto
#

Meaning no one cares?

woven wasp
#

what gets invited to m+ is what does the most damage and strats are formed around that

minor gust
#

Warrior "utility" is not why your not getting invited

woven wasp
#

and warrior already has plenty of utility, "utility" is just the boogeyman

fossil rampart
#

The feel of an arms warrior is just so bad. Comparing it to fury, fury is so fluid, fast paced and fun. But arms is just like "lemme press 3 abilities that help me do damage before i even start doing damage" and it just blows. That isn't really a good example cuz i'm kinda braindead rn but it just sucks. It isn't terrible or maybe even bad but it desperately needs a change

wanton sierra
#

we get into a point where dmg is no longer a problem and survavibility and control... dmg wise dont matter bringin an warrior... but utility wise matters when we are pushing high keys... at least shadowlands and bfa was like this... i didnt played df long, stayed on cclassic

minor gust
#

Ppl just see grps be like looking for lust and deem lust is why they can't get invited

worn grotto
#

Frost dk kinda has that with breath if syndragosa build

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Bring in the mages

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If any class should have a lust its warrior

woven wasp
#

chatting actually it should only be shamans

fossil rampart
#

I mean if you wanna talk utility, warrior actually brings in a fair amount. People just don't maximise it to it's fullest cuz why tf go that far

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Not having lust or brez isn't a game changer though

worn grotto
#

Either way if all else fails prot exists

plucky fern
#

tbh its way more utility than some other melee classes

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if you compare to dks or like rogues

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warrior actually has a lot

flat willow
#

rogues has tons of utility?

worn grotto
#

Dks got brez

left talon
wanton sierra
#

hey now we got shockwave... very good

weak wave
#

Warrior got ST and AoE stun. Who else has this?

fossil rampart
#

You will basically never invite a dk for their brez (unless blood) . So many other better options

worn grotto
#

Can arms even make a weapon with sparks

#

Rn

fossil rampart
#

Having brez is good but it ain't make or break to get invited into a pug group

plucky fern
#

we got a 25seconds cd aoe stun, a target stun, 5% buff, rally (lol), and some niche stuff like taunt reflect or intervene DBTS

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dks got like bres but who doesnt

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i got cables

wanton sierra
#

im engineer and i can bring ppl up xD

minor gust
#

Yolo cables go hard

fossil rampart
plucky fern
#

also forgot fear

fossil rampart
#

True

wanton sierra
plucky fern
#

im pretty sure the guy who maintains reflect WA already added everything

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lemme find it

wanton sierra
#

yes but if you grab all those utility you bleed your ~warrior~ talent tree... like more rage cap or idk

fossil rampart
#

It's just arms itself seriously needs a rework now. The playstyle of the class even though is fine and when you get those massive numbers feels hella good, beside that it just feels so meh

plucky fern
fossil rampart
#

Shouldn't be reliant on crit, unless blizzard wants that then oh well

plucky fern
#

you drop frothing berserker for shout and you dont even lose damage

worn grotto
plucky fern
#

because FB is garbage

wanton sierra
fossil rampart
#

I'm a colossus nerd so that's my reasoning

plucky fern
#

like 10 rage saved per fight

thick kelp
fossil rampart
#

Plus fury gets boring super fast for me

wanton sierra
worn grotto
fossil rampart
weak wave
plucky fern
fossil rampart
#

And you know it wouldn't hurt seeing warrior in general get some new stuff for us zugzugs to play around with

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About time anyways

plucky fern
#

imagine being prot warrior

wanton sierra
plucky fern
#

talents/bars didnt change in two years

minor gust
#

Sorry best Blizz can do for arms is split talents in half

small raven
#

I am really enjoying arms.

minor gust
#

We don't get new stuff

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Demolish is just the lego

fossil rampart
#

You see paladins, mages, druids and basically every other class getting paragraphs worth of changes then you see warrior "champion's spear icon updated" it's like are we a fucking joke to you? Lol

fossil rampart
wanton sierra
#

i see all those ppl ggettin mad about arms, but im truly enjoying too... im playing arms colossus

plucky fern
#

after leveling and playing my alts its even more depressing
after i looked at what changes WW or FDK got, its just sad

fossil rampart
plucky fern
#

how little warrior gets

minor gust
fossil rampart
wanton sierra
plucky fern
#

when arms literally got more problems from this iteration

small raven
#

I came into this season expecting to Main frost DK but I don't enjoy the pillar of frost window game play. Arms is genuinely more fun to me, thematically and in execution. It's not all doom and gloom folks.

minor gust
#

Yeah to be fair dk did really need the love too same with WW

gilded stump
minor gust
#

Just hope Warrior gets its love too which is cope

gilded stump
plucky fern
#

is it time

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that we abroad the train

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once again

wanton sierra
#

im playingg arms sincec legion... and nothing made me change

fossil rampart
small raven
#

I dunno man, everytime I come check this channel it appears you're all complaining

flat willow
#

yes

#

cuz arms sucks to play

minor gust
fossil rampart
#

Simple fixes to colossus would make it so much better. I see people in this discord come up with actual big brain ideas that perfectly lines up with everything

small raven
#

I get that

gilded stump
weak wave
# wanton sierra show us! i mean i like the lil speed after jump... send pic plz

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/cheat-sheet

It's basically the M+ build but without Frothing Berserker and Command Shout which are both useless. I took Intimid. Shout and 2/2 max rage for them.

Wowhead
Arms Warrior Build Cheat Sheet - The War Within 11.0.2

A quick look at everything you need to know to have the optimal Arms Warrior setup for The War Within including the best Talents and best in slot gear.

fossil rampart
gilded stump
#

Arms needs help real bad especially Colossus needs to be changed to not suck so much

wanton sierra
plucky fern
wanton sierra
#

i dont think arms need help, you need help xD

fossil rampart
#

No one is saying arms is dog shit, numbers wise, which almost always everyone ever cares about, arms is up there. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be touched at all at it's core

weak wave
plucky fern
#

arms doesnt need help, arms needs god deadge

halcyon breach
#

Rally is useless?

#

Good meme

plucky fern
#

(joke tho im fine with arms but waiting for fresh air)

gilded stump
small raven
#

I just like it and how methodical it feels. Maybe I'm late to the party, I'm not trying to invalidate how you guys feel about the spec. I'm just having fun

wanton sierra
#

i play withhout hope

minor gust
weak wave
fossil rampart
plucky fern
#

i mean yeah surely in raid and maybe in very high keys ill pick up rally but for now i cant be bothered spending gcd for a button that will not matter

#

talking about rally

halcyon breach
#

Having an extra 15 rage surely will make a difference compared to groupwide 10% hp!

gilded stump
#

Just don't get hit

#

It's easy

weak wave
halcyon breach
#

Yeah I'll negate the damage by fearing the boss doing a groupwide ability

flat willow
#

the boss fears the warrior

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I just think it would be nice if it was a little buffed in group content like darkness

#

15% more hp would be very nice

plucky fern
#

you are talking like those 400k extra hp is penicillin

#

most of the time it will not be enough against big booms if theres no other defencive involved

halcyon breach
#

There have been countless times I've lived on less than 5% hp to big hits

#

And it's not like you're expected to just pop Rally and then you're fine

gloomy mirage
#

rally saves lives

fossil rampart
#

I mean the 10% can be nice, highly doubt it but the thing that turns me away from rallying cry is the 3 min cooldown. Just horrendous to have it on such a big cooldown

gloomy mirage
#

i mean you should be planning your cds in dungeons and in raids though

weak wave
wanton sierra
#

rally shhould be better i agree... its an raid buff... i loved 1 min rally on pvp... insanely good

gilded stump
halcyon breach
fossil rampart
#

Maybe if bitter immunity was like a buff to rallying cry like 60 cdr and 10% more health that'd be very good to pick but bi is a separate button in of itself lmao

halcyon breach
#

Of course I know you were talking about trash, but M+ isn't just trash damage

minor gust
#

Inspiring presence rip

thick kelp
flat willow
#

I always forget int shout is target capped

halcyon breach
#

(Some targets can't even be feared, also very cool)

gilded stump
#

Isn't everything on warrior capped

halcyon breach
#

no

#

Shockwave is uncapped

gilded stump
#

Damage too?

halcyon breach
#

You need to get a grip

wanton sierra
weak wave
gilded stump
fossil rampart
halcyon breach
#

With Shockwave being as easily available now + Rumbling, the extra fear is nice but it's not worth dropping Rally for it

quasi torrent
#

banezor

halcyon breach
#

andor

gloomy mirage
wanton sierra
#

rumbling is it worth? shockwave is already low cdr... you still are going to press it on every pool

gilded stump
#

Despite it's cool down you can still use it like 4 or 5 times depending on how fast your group goes

#

I don't see why a fear would be better then that

gloomy mirage
wanton sierra
#

shockwave and stormbolt should not use GCD

plucky fern
#

its not the choice between fear and rally tbh

#

its fear vs frothing berserker

#

and rally vs 15 max rage

flat willow
#

if you touch my frothing berserker

halcyon breach
#

If you remove frothing, you can't access Rally

minor gust
#

Frothing isn't max rage

halcyon breach
#

Unless you're just gonna move that point over to P&G

wanton sierra
#

every shoult should be abble to use during bladestorm

fossil rampart
gloomy mirage
#

i would take another aoe cc if my group needed it

flat willow
#

on another note, why is rallying cry on the gcd

gloomy mirage
#

but it’s not unfathomable to plan rally

minor gust
hazy flower
#

Xd

fossil rampart
gloomy mirage
#

maybe this is a bait

hazy flower
#

Oh

#

God

gloomy mirage
#

i’m being baited

#

actively

fossil rampart
gloomy mirage
#

gg

thick kelp
#

Squimsh first interaction in Arms chat in years and ends up baited

#

holy

wanton sierra
#

an warrior without rally ? this is not an warrior

minor gust
#

F

fossil rampart
#

Not baiting, i just don't take it

latent moss
minor gust
gloomy mirage
thick kelp
latent moss
hazy flower
#

Scorscese martin

gloomy mirage
#

i’ve been playing all three specs the past two weeks it’s kinda fun :3

left talon
#

why would I enchant my gear its waste of gold

thick kelp
latent moss
gloomy mirage
hazy flower
#

🐐

plucky fern
wanton sierra
latent moss
#

goats

gloomy mirage
#

fighting words

gilded stump
hazy flower
#

Irishman sucked tho

#

As good as I wanted it to be

latent moss
#

idk i havent watched it

hazy flower
#

I remember being so hyped for it

latent moss
#

wanna rewatch the wire

gray herald
latent moss
#

watched it when i was 8 or something

thick kelp
hazy flower
#

And then boom 3 hours of boring cinema trying to make 80yo deniro look young

gilded stump
#

Fury warrior in the foreground
Arms in the background

image0.gif
hazy flower
thick kelp
#

I will spend 4 hours today flying to level my earthen warrior to 70

hazy flower
#

first and 2nd season were rly good

#

The greek 🐐

gloomy mirage
quasi torrent
latent moss
thick kelp
latent moss
#

omar the goat

gilded stump
gloomy mirage
#

70-80 my earthen was getting like 4.3k a zone discovery

quasi torrent
#

arm is kil

gloomy mirage
#

not a meme

latent moss
#

lik si mra

thick kelp
#

for 70-80

gloomy mirage
#

so i wasn’t just flying

#

but i mean u can if you want

thick kelp
#

Strat

gilded stump
#

Cheating

gloomy mirage
#

it’s chill

thick kelp
#

I can have 4th warrior mirror instead of my feral

#

Just in time for wed

gloomy mirage
#

my third 575+ warrior :3

IMG_9248.png
gilded stump
#

According to a wowhead article you can get TK like 75 with just discovery exp

shadow ibex
gilded stump
wanton sierra
#

from earthen

neon niche
wanton sierra
#

im broke! shiet

gilded stump
#

I'll just put crusader on my weapons for the cool weapon glow

gloomy mirage
minor gust
quasi torrent
gloomy mirage
quasi torrent
#

Sup

shadow ibex
#

few more days before we get tier and deal w this cursed ass exe rotation

gilded stump
shadow ibex
gloomy mirage
hasty quarry
#

hey, I know that it's a complete basic question but I was not able to find an answer to it in any of the linked guides:
What is currently looking better for raid: Arms or Fury?

shadow ibex
#

Find out with us tomorrow

cedar cape
#

both are close

quasi torrent
#

Ya earthen seems to look a lot nicer than i thought they would

#

But nothing shall beat female scaly visage form

gilded stump
cedar cape
wanton sierra
#

arms is better than fury, that is it! i said!

shadow ibex
#

I've been a dwarf for too long and IRL

hasty quarry
#

Ok, thanks for the responses 🙂

wanton sierra
shadow ibex
#

Gotta change it up especially since size Inc on colossus doesn't appear much

#

On dwarf

plucky fern
#

arms will be slightly higher cap, avg performance fury will be better because this spec can be played with your feet on keyboard

thick kelp
wanton sierra
#

see? arms better

shadow ibex
#

Yea but that's slayer

gloomy mirage
#

walhe is biased

quasi torrent
thick kelp
#

sus

wanton sierra
shadow ibex
quasi torrent
#

me when the pure st

shadow ibex
#

Im probably goin mecha gnome

quasi torrent
gilded stump
#

I could bet my right nut that Colossus parses will be under 2%

shadow ibex
raw dagger
#

slayer feels more fluent to me

shadow ibex
#

I've never been a gnome yet been everything else

tough tangle
gilded stump
flat willow
#

why would you willingly play colossus when slayer does better damage, the awesome gameplay of pressing demolish every 30 seconds and getting paried?

shadow ibex
#

Until I die wicked

flat willow
shadow ibex
#

Just gott stack speed warriorbrain

gilded stump
wanton sierra
#

hey! today we may get m0? and raid? holy damn

#

lets goo

#

i was tired to log on and do some world questies and lil pvp

#

let the season begin warriors!

sharp tendon
#

To soon

plucky fern
#

chill dude its two more days

shadow ibex
thick kelp
#

This opener is looking cooked(its fake dw)

image.png
flat willow
#

SLAMMING

wanton sierra
#

fk its tomorrow!!! damn dont mind me im still wasted from yesterday

gilded stump
#

COME ON AND SLAM
AND WELCOME TO THE JAM

flat willow
#

I love slam

latent moss
plucky fern
#

that storm bolt at the end

flat willow
thick kelp
#

its just absolute

#

cinema

shadow ibex
#

It during BS

latent moss
#

yeah u storm bolt in bladestorm

#

for a bit more damage

#

dont do this in m+

shadow ibex
#

I hate it

minor gust
#

.01% DPS gain!

fossil rampart
flat willow
#

its not very cash money

fossil rampart
#

Mainly the size increase

thick kelp
#

Now this is real gameplay

image.png
wanton sierra
flat willow
#

its not the size that matters

shadow ibex
#

Nah show execute and fishing for OP resets

#

Fuck that shit

latent moss
#

xd

#

they removed it

fossil rampart
#

What

wanton sierra
#

elaborate, arms rework!!

latent moss
#

ms used to crit for almost 7 mil

#

now its 5.5

gilded stump
latent moss
#

demolish is the only thing that hits giga hard

minor gust
#

Demolish parried moment

shadow ibex
#

Shut

flat willow
#

deserved for playing colossus

shadow ibex
#

It won't happen

flat willow
#

can't spell colossus without sus

#

bozo spec

latent moss
#

ye slayer is a lot better

#

200k ms

#

xd

wanton sierra
#

xD

flat willow
#

as it should be

fossil rampart
flat willow
#

to know greatness you must also know despair

shadow ibex
#

They said they would address it case by case no way they let a hero spec ability get parried guys

fossil rampart
#

A whole 5% bigger

thick kelp
#

Mortal strike Max crit 4 587 502
Execute max crit 4 877 397

image.png image.png
#

Thank u blizzard

latent moss
#

thank you blizzard

flat willow
shadow ibex
#

Just stack jugg

minor gust
flat willow
#

surely it won't happen again

shadow ibex
#

I was being sarcastic I shoulda added typing emoji

minor gust
shadow ibex
latent moss
#

assa rogue in sl

#

vendetta parry

#

XDDDDDDDDD

gilded stump
#

Just make sure to stack overpower buff to 2 before mortal striking for maximizing damage

wanton sierra
#

the feel as slayer is not all great also... i mean, all is passive talents, you dont even need to read it.. just press buttons as you dont have heroic talents and you will be playing it right... the procs are fun and bladestorm is nice... idk i still think arms should have moutain thane hero and colossus

shadow ibex
#

How can a boss parry colossus have you seen the animation you can't stop that move 🤓

fossil rampart
#

Just you wait when they buff colossus and make the size increase 10%. Won't be able to hear you little people from all the way down there

flat willow
#

Really colossus doesn't need a whole lot to not be a bozo spec, remove parry from the game, remove the CDR shit, remove the self root

#

and make colossus a secondary button when you press c smash

#

not a lot

gilded stump
#

Small indie company

minor gust
#

The spec called Colossus but has nothing to do with Colossus smash or avatar

#

🤔

shadow ibex
#

Idk why they don't make it a Shockwave at least. Only thing I can think of is some obsession with us being able to sweep it

wanton sierra
#

it have interactions with shockwave ^^

shadow ibex
#

Instead of BS rooted channel ability

flat willow
#

or

gilded stump
#

Spec called mountain thane but you aren't in the mountains or a thane of anything

flat willow
#

we could also

#

bring back the self root on fist of fury

#

if we are forced to stand still I don't see why monks aren't

latent moss
gilded stump
wanton sierra
#

how about MERGE SHOCKWAVE with demolish... it shall stun and knock puppies on the air and massive dam dam

shadow ibex
#

They just really think demolish + sweeping is cool is only thing I can think of at this point

flat willow
gilded stump
flat willow
#

and why is it called mountain thane and not mountain king

#

it's obviously a mountain king

gilded stump
flat willow
#

and why is it called slayer and not blademaster

latent moss
#

In Khaz Modan, the Mountain Kings, or 'Thanes' as they are known, are the mightiest dwarven warriors under the mountain.

wanton sierra
#

the king under the mountain

shadow ibex
#

It's sad we gonna have to wait until raid releases and play this shit in the season before they will listen to shit said during alpha

flat willow
#

yeah yeah

shadow ibex
#

6 weeks boys

gilded stump
flat willow
#

they'll start listening once the raid is out

latent moss
#

hoooly

#

the chatting

flat willow
latent moss
#

is crazy

flat willow
#

not in season 4

#

12.0 arms rework

#

but before that

shadow ibex
#

6 weeks

flat willow
#

3 more paladin reworks

shadow ibex
#

Or we'll be moving with demo in January

minor gust
#

13.3 rework no cope

flat willow
#

demo is demonology

#

man I'm still coping about losing this spell a decade later

#

I hate you, ion

shadow ibex
#

. 7 patch in jan

gilded stump
#

Last titan big arms rework

shadow ibex
#

Colossus glow up

fossil rampart
#

The cope in this chat is so fucking surreal

minor gust
gilded stump
#

increased size of war breaker by another 6 yards

fossil rampart
#

I'm handing out copium canisters if any of ya'll run out

shadow ibex
gilded stump
flat willow
#

if we continue at this rate

#

warbreaker will have the same range as a retoilet ability by 2030

fossil rampart
#

No worries crew mates. 100% we will get good changes in the future

#

For sure

plucky fern
#

tomorrow big changes we ball

gilded stump
#

war breaker now affects all enemies currently generated in the whole server region, meaning other people's raid instances as well

#

Basically war breaker affects everyone and everything

plucky fern
#

still never picked because iftk op

gilded stump
fossil rampart
#

But hey

#

New cp icon

#

Enjoy that

#

Gonna stare at the wowhead news channel now for warrior updates

tropic eagle
#

Been battling the urge to swap class as I dont play fury but Im gonna send it on arms. It was always a struggle you just get used to it. If they do some good stuff yay if they dont it is what it is

gilded stump
tranquil sundial
#

which of the specs is better to fucus on for raids right now?

latent moss
#

fury

tropic eagle
#

if you play arms perfectly you are gonna be better on ST by like 1%

#

so just go fury and faceroll

latent moss
#

arms is good

#

raid is just better designed for fury

#

u can take of and just blast adds when u have to

#

and lose 1% st

smoky kayak
#

there are a couple good arms fights

latent moss
#

silken court looks like an arms fight to me

plucky fern
#

why theres still no pin for 'whats better for raid'

#

i swear this question pops like 10 times a day

tropic eagle
#

its that time of the year

halcyon breach
#

Would be asked regardless

latent moss
#

would be asked regardless

tropic eagle
#

you go into any stream same thing

shadow ibex
#

Yea ppl wouldn't read a pin

plucky fern
latent moss
#

they never read pins

#
  • its such a meaningless question
#

first week of the raid

plucky fern
latent moss
#

play w/e and decide

#

they can just do some tuning pre raid and shit can change

shadow ibex
#

They did some other day