arms

[flat willow]

dragon roar spear or ancient aftershock

[shy dagger]

Dont judge me, i moved a couple of talents to have tc as st because i dont feel like pressing rend but thunderclaping its satisfying

[flat willow]

is there honestly a difference

[plucky fern]

it doesnt matter spear or aftershock

roar is better

and so we will not pick those

ever

to be relevant, this talent point should be a single target ability

so for aoe we pick roar and for st we pick 'something'

thats why condemn is kinda the only thing that came to mind (not that i like condemn but what else lol)

[wanton sierra]

AA mini stuns... op for push

[flat willow]

just play dracthyr

can't wait for all the race swaps

[plucky fern]

does anyone really planning to play warrior dracthyr for stuns

[smoky kayak]

no way

[plucky fern]

when we have 25 sec cd shockwave

even 20 in colossus

[flat willow]

i mean, lots of people swapped dwarf and nelf

[smoky kayak]

refuse the lizard agenda

[flat willow]

why wouldn't they swap to the scalies

[steep osprey]

I wouldn't play dracthyr if a gf came with them

[plucky fern]

diminishing still exist and stun is the most common CC in game so idk dragon is kinda a meme race

[flat willow]

i thought it was a knock back

[shy dagger]

Im a dead boi and will remain dead even if its not optimal

[steep osprey]

back and up

[woven wasp]

its a good thing its a knock back and knock up then

[flat willow]

so no dr right?

[plucky fern]

or really

i didnt play lizard enough to know

they dont have any damage increasing racials tho, right?

[flat willow]

2% mastery

[fresh tide]

they get some mastery I think

[woven wasp]

they get mastery

[plucky fern]

damn

no so meme then

[woven wasp]

1.4% for fury iirc i had a quick look last night

[fresh tide]

I think the racials are just different shapes of knockbacks, which are the most annoying stops

[steep osprey]

you gonna reroll?

[woven wasp]

no

[steep osprey]

baseg

[plucky fern]

so colossus dragon can knock up with shockwave, with one racial, and then pushback with 2nd racial?

[fresh tide]

I think the dragon racials are shared cd

[plucky fern]

thats some baseball with monsters

[woven wasp]

theyre both a 3min cd but yeah

[flat willow]

I swapped to mag'har the moment they were released and I'll die as one

unless they release mok'nathal

then I'm jumping ship

[warped ether]

I’d say they could go in deeper on cs and bring stuff like titanic might from legion back

[flat willow]

just wish mag'har were a sub-race of orcs instead of a new one, their racials suck so much compared to regular orcs

[woven wasp]

the only race id debate switching to would be more tbc-like arcane ethereals

[steep osprey]

pog

[woven wasp]

the void ones are eh

[warped ether]

Really miss having cs on the target at all times

[flat willow]

titanic might doesn't really fit bfa+ arms since cs is your burst now

can't exactly be bursting all the time can we

but yeah I miss old cs

[gaunt owl]

what burst ? 😄

[warped ether]

Exactly

[flat willow]

miss battle cry too

now demolish would feel pretty good with a 100% crit chance

[warped ether]

Ah dude you remember the bleed talent on the last nodes

Think it was something with strikes

[flat willow]

you mean the cataclysm mastery?

[warped ether]

Not sure lemme check

Opportunity strikes

[gaunt owl]

it was cata mastery first

[warped ether]

That was so good

In legion m+

[vocal gust]

For Arms Colosus Im guessing Shockwave is mandatory to make use of the hero talent, right?

[gaunt owl]

without it the hero talent is just dead weight

[old urchin]

They should add to the shockwave hero talent that it’s off GCD so you can press demolish and wave at the same time.

[fluid matrix]

Is arms or fury simming higher right now for ST dps?

[latent moss]

close

arms a lil higher

play what u prefer

like the difference is tiny

[mortal rivet]

Arms 1%better

[fluid matrix]

Both are plaing Slayer though at the top end right

[latent moss]

yes

[mortal rivet]

Yea

[fluid matrix]

Ok thanks guys

[nova marsh]

Really just play slayer always

Least it will never get u killed

In fact the mobility bonuses could be more valuable then collusus utility and it getting free second wind

And Thane gives me depression on fury

[young pumice]

does daddy archimitros have a weigh-in for a good two-target arms build? last i recall we dont even take improved sweep?

[olive nest]

You just run ST build and cast Sweep on cd

Maintain bleeds on both targets

Only execute the lowest health target and press spenders into the higher health target

Execute pad

[gaunt owl]

you could take improved sweep

i didnt bother checking if its really worth it but it should

[gaunt owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oXyrUc1jVyaDYeQoJWfLWW with my shit char

[young pumice]

where you get this build?

[gaunt owl]

i cooked it

could try for more option for 2T

[olive nest]

Paw ultimate cooker

[gaunt owl]

could go Dreadnuaght actually too

[tacit cedar]

Isn't that a two target cleave boss though and not straight ST on that sim

[gaunt owl]

yes thats 2T perma

thats the point

pretty much every scenario should be optimized

so people can just go ahead and see whats best

[tacit cedar]

Ah gotcha I didn't scroll up so if it was about SS I get that then haha

[thick kelp]

Woah ppaww how did u cook such a build

this is the best simming one for comparison

you are so good ppaww

[gaunt owl]

i forgot about

this one is cursed

[minor gust]

🤮

[thick kelp]

80% uptime sweep kekw

[gaunt owl]

they could give us back Legion SS at this point

[untold pewter]

What would you change for Torment?

[thick kelp]

45s roar

see the build SS i postd

[minor gust]

Tbh I thought about it I'd rather have the sweep gameplay we got now instead of full passive legion sweep. Just remove the fucking GCD

[gaunt owl]

the half GCD curse

[minor gust]

It actually feels so bad

[gaunt owl]

relic of BFA curse

with their silly idea of having every on the GCD

i remember 4 button setup before you do any dmg on some spec

[minor gust]

Yeah and I guarantee if you asked them about removing the half GCD from sweep they would rant about some texture bullshit

[gaunt owl]

the texture angle

[wanton sierra]

datamined says there will be chance on praticed strikes

but i dont understand what

[untold pewter]

Thank you

[gaunt owl]

#updates-midnight message

those are still early change

11.0.5 is still some times away plenty change could inc

[wanton sierra]

oh so no funcional changes, ty ppaww

how about new spear icon? ^^

[untold pewter]

Are we really not using warbreaker for m+?

[gaunt owl]

not needed

ITFK too good

[untold pewter]

Damn, sick

[gaunt owl]

we gonna have nice funnel power

[untold pewter]

Thank you

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069 This channel is your friend please learn to read and love it

[thorn pelican]

my cata brain pressing SS like it has no gcd

[gaunt owl]

the execute delay

my smooth brain cant even

the dmg pop up text is so delayed its killing me

[minor gust]

atleast the actual dmg is fixed

[gaunt owl]

only took 2 full xpac

[rose matrix]

Is it going to be better to run Arms during the raid?

[gaunt owl]

you play what you like

numbers are 1% diff

[rose matrix]

I like both specs so I don't really mind

Wasn't sure how close or far they were until you just said it

[minor gust]

unless your really comfortable progging on arms your prob better off just playing fury and being passively tankier

[rose matrix]

I'll probably just stick with Fury then since it is what I have played since the start of the expansion

Thanks for the info

[fresh tide]

it's so bad, the most attractive part is the cleave cdr and that's just been ripped from other talents

[minor gust]

patch 11.1 they will seperate that talent into two 🙂

[fresh tide]

it actually makes warlords look good in comparision

They know avatar isn't reduced by AM, right? They can make the bonuses last for more than 50% of the duration

Arms is the only spec that doesn't have AM synergy in that talent now btw

[slow saddle]

FR remove the GCD on stuff like Sweeping... mby also Roar ?

[minor gust]

roar is fine it does dmg

[gaunt owl]

Roar is asking for too much my fried

ok gonna leave the typo

its so good

[slow saddle]

it was just for opener

what do u want off gcd ?

[minor gust]

SS

[slow saddle]

ofc sweeping coz it feels so weird its not

[minor gust]

everything else is fine

[manic stirrup]

damage abilities stay on the gcd

in 99% of situations

[gaunt owl]

its like if they put back Avatar on the GCD

i wanna know how an UDK opener would look like if everything was on the GCD

[fresh tide]

Most of the unholy stuff is on the gcd I think

[minor gust]

I think their cds do dmg themselves tho now

instead of just being a buff or summon minions

[severe haven]

Is it normal that I can't spend rage fast enough and usually have lots of rage outside of my execute phase

[minor gust]

yes

[severe haven]

Right? Ok

[minor gust]

follow priority dont worry about rage

[severe haven]

My only, very minor gripe with the spec

[untold pewter]

Do we care about intentionally trying to buff the Cleave after Collateral Damage by having 2 overpower stacks?

[minor gust]

if you have multiple stacks of OP already available. I wouldnt hold it just to hope for a tactician proc

[untold pewter]

Fair enough

[tulip spoke]

hey guys, do u know why execute not glowing anymore ? at 35% and 20% HP 😮, except for Sudden Death ofc

[wanton sierra]

im a boomer on discord, im aways lost... i need to learn to use it

[serene glacier]

arms fans, it is time to announce to you, you are no longer the execute spec - marksman is

[wide apex]

is it

[dire hinge]

[gaunt owl]

Fake news

[boreal zealot]

too may changes in patch notes. I can't process it all.

[gaunt owl]

You better have proof

[crimson steppe]

Does anyone else miss Legion Arms? I mainly just miss passive sweeping strikes with Unhinged still working with it 😦

[fresh tide]

legoin arms was the goat

[frigid cipher]

ToS arms is the promised land

[fresh tide]

I liked EN arms after they fixed the hamstring thing, but I also played it in nighthold/tomb

I had the execute ring and the healing bracers, one of the better combos when lego rng was cursed, ended up replacing the bracers with the kiljaeden aoe pad trinket

[devout pewter]

Sadly this doesn't seem to exist for me 😦

[marble steppe]

my 1k dust mage hearthstone deck is better than my 17k dust warrior one

[boreal quartz]

The only warrior deck worth playing is DMH

The most based thing to ever exist

[marble steppe]

warrior is multi platfromed dedge

[latent moss]

tooltip change

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[slow saddle]

Man we are gettin huge changes

as usual warriors gets only the best

almost like mage treatment

[serene glacier]

you want me to do math? nah I'll just fly by the seat of my pants as always

[gaunt owl]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[serene glacier]

random, no context kill shot

[boreal quartz]

That's so low?

[gaunt owl]

rookie numbers

[boreal quartz]

Me when 5.5 mil ms crit

[serene glacier]

show me execute dmg not MS dmg

[thick kelp]

There u go 4.5million execute crit

[fast zodiac]

how do arms work now? i play mainly m+. used to play warbreaker, but gude ays not to anymore. . is colossus smash only on 1 target?

[serene glacier]

I linked in game SS, you show me sim data

fly by the seat of your pants, use your warrior powers

[gaunt owl]

we dont showboat

we do dmg

[fast zodiac]

or is it terrible if i stay with warbreaker?

[gaunt owl]

we play ITFK as its a nice tradeoff to not be dead last on ST in m+

and its still amazing for AOE anyway

[serene glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-me-when-im-bored-exercise-gif-15756428

[fast zodiac]

i see i see

[mortal rivet]

colossus smash is significantly more prio damage and lines up with demolish/bladestorm better

[dire hinge]

lmao

[fast zodiac]

we play bladestorm? guide say ravager

[boreal quartz]

Bs for slayer

Rava for colo

[serene glacier]

it replaces kill shot, so any effects that proc kill shot apply to it, also there are new effects that proc kill shot, and some are now a guarantee

[fast zodiac]

and whats best for m+? was just checking icy veins was colossus

[boreal quartz]

It doesnt beat execute regardless

[nova marsh]

No

[boreal quartz]

• it's a hunter so they just die

[nova marsh]

Do not run collusus

[boreal quartz]

Do run it in sustained aoe

[serene glacier]

my butt dyno is as good as your butt dyno

[nova marsh]

It's very far behind in st

[boreal quartz]

It is good in aoe

[mortal rivet]

colossus is behind in st, what?

[dire hinge]

yee by like 8%

[mortal rivet]

oh colossus not colossal

we good we good

was trying to figure out how colossal was behind in ST comapred to warbreaker

[boreal quartz]

Cs is 10% or so in st

But wb is like 5% aoe or some shit

[minor gust]

less

its like 2%

[shadow ibex]

Warbreaker is da poop

[neat loom]

!wa

[fossil fable]

why is warbreaker bad rn?

[woven wasp]

warbreaker provides no ST benefit

BI provides both ST and AOE benefit

[neat loom]

do u guys ever press rend or slam ?

[shadow ibex]

Yes

[smoky kayak]

nope, Mortal Strike and Overpower only

[neat loom]

but u do press clap right? im kinda confused with the rotation heh

[smoky kayak]

I was being sarcastic, yes you use Rend and Slam in single target

if you're talented into Clap, you can use that instead of Rend for a small but ultimately insignificant damage loss that saves you a keybind

[neat loom]

ah im stoopid

thank u for answering tho

[fossil fable]

but havent we always used wb for multitarget? what changed

[minor gust]

iftk changed

[woven wasp]

BI now extends the duration of IFTK as well

[fossil fable]

oh i see

ty

[summer elbow]

So i switched to arms from fury.. I deal way more dmg in st with less burst but more dmg between pulls. Im happy.. I was dealing 300k on hits and as arms one execute could do 1m. Amazing

[latent moss]

quite the opposite for me

i need to get lucky for MS to crit

to deal any real damage

ms hitting for 200k

xd

[sharp pawn]

sry but what is iftk ??

[summer elbow]

Im doing bad the rotation but thered the dmg

[latent moss]

in for the kill

[summer elbow]

In for the kill

[sharp pawn]

ah

[teal fossil]

Because stuff don’t align well now

So wb isn’t amplifying your big burst really

[summer elbow]

The reason we go blunt instead warbreaker

[latent moss]

even if the aoe gap was bigger

we would still be playing blunt instruments

cause its 10% better on st

[teal fossil]

One day our cds will align again

[wide apex]

I think they believe it makes for more interesting gameplay when you have to make a decision on how to use your cooldowns

instead of the default thing where you just stack everything togheter

[sharp pawn]

is there a big difference between Demo & slayer in M+ iam kinda struggling with the wowhead build for demo ??

[gusty nymph]

Slayer is way easier

Colo is spikier. U ll get aggro and die

But u ll do huge spikes of dmg

[sharp pawn]

so like allways

[zenith warren]

can you slam 10x 8delve on reset or is it only 1 per zone and then 12h cd?

[gusty nymph]

If u can, you should. U ll be able to

[zenith warren]

so theres no limit?

[wide apex]

theres a limit

it works like how you think it does

[woven wasp]

4 bountiful per day unless someone has better info

[sharp pawn]

also what is the highest item lvl atm that we can craft ( spark 597 ) ???

[latent moss]

spark is 606

iirc

[sharp pawn]

and what is iirc ??? 😄

or how can i craft my gear with an item lvl 606 ? cuz we cant obtain the crest or am i just dumb atm ?

[quasi torrent]

spark is the base

you need spark+enchanted crests

do not craft anything with spark as of now.

[sharp pawn]

ok even when i mainly play m+ would just go double dusk

[latent moss]

you would go fury

[latent moss]

prob

[sharp pawn]

ok ty

[sharp pawn]

but i generlly hate fury i like Big Stonks

[mortal rivet]

Fury likes double dusk in m+ if they can’t maintain ascendance

[sharp pawn]

ahh was jsut archimtiros guides in the pint section

[astral yarrow]

pint section

i dig that

[drifting apex]

Hey guys, for those who play both spec? does the arms is really low in survivability vs the fury or it is just a bit?

[minor gust]

yes fury is tankier but arms is stll a really tanky spec

[drifting apex]

@minor gust so you think it's possible to push m+ with arm spec? but harder?

[minor gust]

yes you can push perfectly fine as Arms

[drifting apex]

k ty

[manic stirrup]

theyre both very tanky

shouldnt be your concern with which spec you play unless youre doing literally rank 1 keys in which case just get more vers

[drifting apex]

k so the question is wich spec i like not wich spec is opti

[manic stirrup]

yes

[tall thorn]

Quick question, do we know if SS makes the MS hit from Unhinged cleave?

[minor gust]

you cannot cleave the MS from unhinged

[tall thorn]

Didn't think so

[marble steppe]

you wont feel that tanky when you pull aggro every other pull

[fresh tide]

If the mobs don't hit you with PVE crits there's a chance you live the melee

that's tanky

[marble steppe]

i swear some blizzard employee typed in a warrior aggro modifier 15 years ago and its buried in the spaghetti code

[minor gust]

or press die by the sword and tank the whole pack until your tank gets their shit together

or even better be a nelf

[shadow ibex]

never forget x3 LoW in BFA

for when you absolutely wanna die

[sterile wigeon]

are you guys liking slayer or colossus for these heroic dungeons

[fringe moon]

Feels good knowing that Blizzard is looking out for us. Who else is going to be enjoying their +2 inches, I mean yds in 11.05?

[shadow ibex]

i still think thats just a tooltip update

aint no way someone sat down and was like yea

2 yards

[fresh tide]

The only thing I can think of is that it makes warbreaker match roar range

idk if roar range is actually 10 yards though

[shadow ibex]

range on pbAoE attacks is weird anyway

imo

with how big or small hitboxes are

playing a lot of prot in heroics for valor atm and my roar hits shit you wouldnt think it would

[fresh spire]

every inch counts

[fresh spire]

main reason why i love roar over spear

[shadow ibex]

at this point i'd just take WB being passive

[fresh spire]

just send it hits everything 0 brain

[shadow ibex]

and making a new node there

let CS be aoe period

it isnt a huge gain in aoe anyway not like we'd be OP

and frankly idk how you make it a more attractive aoe button without just throwing dmg at it

[manic stirrup]

cleave not taken

[shadow ibex]

do the cleave hero talents even affect WW

assuming you dont talent

i assume reap and colossus doesnt get stacks if you hit 3+ enemies with WW, which seems like an oversight if anything

and if not just super insane cleave power creep

[teal fossil]

I don’t think so

[teal fossil]

You make wb more attractive by actually lining up our cds with it

Make us more burst

[shadow ibex]

with 45 sec and 90 sec on CS and BS/rav those two line up. every other CS should have a BS or rav cast. oddman out is ava and roar but i wouldn't call for a shortening of those CDs at all

idk i dont think there's any reason it needs to be a talent tbh. with the QoL stuff other classes have gotten i think WB should just be CS naturally

and also merge TC and rend because that's the bloatiest shit ever

[teal fossil]

Bs doesn’t line up due to slayer

And if you take colossus obviously demolish doesn’t line up

[shadow ibex]

idk what that is im a giant man

and yea ive kinda accecpted the fate of demo not lining up with shit

i just pretend the 10sec dmg buff on targets hit is them compensating for it not lining up with shit

cuz at the very least if it missed CS timing because it just faded, within that 10 seconds its very possible to get another CS cast and some overlap since we bring the CD down with AM

now just make ToM good and we can overlap 3 seperate dmg amps

because arms fantasy is dmg amps

get that execute tom/cs/demolished overlap

[dry frost]

The 11.0.5 PTR Pally talent "Faith's Armor" gives armor to the caster not the target, so this wont be anything to worry about for warrior. However Empyreal Ward gives +100% armor to the target, this ends up being a little over 5000 strength (581 ilvl) for 30 sec due to the Warrior talent Armored to the teeth. This is obviously subject to change but as it stands makes Lay on Hands an insanely powerful external CD for Warrior on 11.0.5 PTR.

[minor gust]

yeah they will be changing that so it doesnt work with armored to the teeth

not even a question

[dry frost]

I dont see a world where they dont nuke this interaction

Just like they did with blistering scales in 10.1.5

[minor gust]

its the same with aug

mhm

[teal fossil]

10-12% gain

[shadow ibex]

Def won't work with ATTT

And we wouldn't want it to anyway

Same with fatal crits

[dry frost]

Yeah I imagine it gets its interaction removed before it hits live like augs blistering scales. We still got 2 months for it to be fixed

[shadow ibex]

More of a curse than a blessing

[dry frost]

100p

[drifting apex]

Guys, does blademaste'sr torment feat well with collateral damage? Like if we use SS before avatar does avatar increase ss by 8sec and we have 8 more sec to stack collateral damage?

[minor gust]

yes you can use Blademasters for a big collateral

[drifting apex]

Ok pretty cool

[minor gust]

I think Archis M+ Colossus build uses this strategy

[drifting apex]

i found the rotation priority but does someone get the pull rotation please?

[drifting apex]

thx mate

[nova marsh]

Arms is depression

[dusty sorrel]

@smoky kayak did you end up finishing the updates to the BiS list?

[smoky kayak]

Yes, the gear guide pages are updated

[dusty sorrel]

what a chad

[nova marsh]

Can't wait to not raid lol

It's kinda freeing having forgotten to sign up for it

[fresh tide]

Thread lining is assumed to be 100% uptime?

[minor gust]

idk man I don't understand why you would even play wow if your not into raiding

[nova marsh]

Keys are more fun then raids for me at this point

Because I just can't do mythic lol

Work said no

[minor gust]

not being able to commit to raid I understand

[nova marsh]

And pugging mythic? Hell no

Just savage in ffxiv was like pulling teeth, mythic in wow will 2,000% be worse

[minor gust]

well pugging mythic just isnt possible at best you can do the first 3-4 bosses

[nova marsh]

Yeah it's just not a thing and my schedule is BEYOND fuckrd

it's why I want a new job lmao

And I also know I'm not throwing my weekend away to raid too lol

And heroic is pretty mid tbh

[shadow ibex]

There's so many people playing this game you can find a raid for any timeslot

[teal fossil]

Weekday daytime raids are hardest but I’m sure there are ppl doing it

[nova marsh]

I can't do daytime

It'd have to be pretty late and even then work can usually fuck me. My schedule is extremely inconsistent with times

Like one day I'll be in at 7 work till 3 or 4, next I'll be in at 11 till 6 or 7 and changes evrey week. It's really annoying to schedule anything around it

[quasi creek]

slayer or colossus folks, whats your poison.

[shadow ibex]

I never been in a day raiding guild but have been in guilds that did normal/heroic during the day when we got enough people online when it opened

But this was also SL before tier so you weren't missing anything if you couldn't attend the heroic day raid of CN

[visual fern]

[minor gust]

all tier set nerfs KEK

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

you know better garms

we get buffed 6 weeks in

[visual fern]

I just want to play good*ARMS ON PROG MAN

[lone heath]

about what % behind is it?

[shadow ibex]

i remember doin g that once

years ago

in the worst wow expac

ironic

[visual fern]

Fury is like 1% behind arms or smth, but you don't need 4p and arms plays like piss due to current design (imo)

Fury core kit is more flexibile/versatile anyway

[shadow ibex]

last time we got good arms on prog was SL

good in quotes

[zealous lava]

Arms was sick on prog for s1 of dragonflight

Yea?

[visual fern]

Die SKS trash

https://tenor.com/bftr6.gif

[zealous lava]

Oh nvm sorry

[visual fern]

DF was

Prog fury > .5 patch arms

3x

[zealous lava]

I see

Noted

[visual fern]

S4 was arms I think?

But I didn't play fated so dunno for sure

[zealous lava]

Arms was technically better

But why play arms when fury got bladestorm back in s4

Well prepatch not rly s4

[minor gust]

S4 was heavily arms favored

[teal fossil]

Why play anything but df prepatch arms

[shadow ibex]

got to in sanctum

and CN i guess but whatever spec u played didnt matter in CN

i understand sanctum was popular but just gamba spec imo

get eb procs

[teal fossil]

Yeah in cn you were equally shit

Either spec

[shadow ibex]

dark time

[fossil fable]

been out for 2 hours. arms chat 48 new messages

fury 458

they just dont stop

[vital mulch]

In the name aint it.

[fresh tide]

Peak for me was when they had to buff mastery in BFA by like 1000% because it was just that useless

[rancid knot]

arms is performing better in raids than fury right?

[untold trench]

Doubt that, but arms is siming a bit better ye

[minor gust]

raid aint even out

[rancid knot]

poeople in ptr are saying arms is like #1 currently

[minor gust]

#1 in what lmao

[rancid knot]

in healing

wtf do u think i am taklling about

[fresh tide]

My understanding is that arms/fury are pretty close

it wouldn't surprise me if there's a bigger difference between slayer and colossus arms than there is betweeen slayer arms and slayer fury

[minor gust]

Arms and Fury are both middle of the pack

[cedar lodge]

Is shadowed essence just sim bait?

[shadow ibex]

People said it's number 1 in ptr tho

[minor gust]

yeah 11.05 PTR chat knows whats up

[shadow ibex]

Trade chat said its good man

[fresh tide]

Man hit reset his dps meter and then hit demolish

ez top

[minor gust]

Ez #1 dps right there

[teal fossil]

Trade chat is the last bastion of free speech

Only politics allowed in trade chat

[minor gust]

Is it free speech when you can just get 9 other people to report someone and get them chat banned

[teal fossil]

It was free speech in 2020

Not anymore

Not after they split out trade chat

[minor gust]

So true

[unique bridge]

Should we be taking raidbot sims with a grain of salt right now? Most guides show Skarmorak shard being our current pre-raid BiS but the Larynx seems to sim about ~14k dps higher

[minor gust]

Trust the robot I doubt Archi has bothered to update pre raid bis lists because theres no reason too

[mortal rivet]

Arms is #1 in possible self inflicted gameplay

[unique bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/tomska-you-tube-sketchcomedy-beep-boop-gif-24608142

[magic canopy]

Champions Spear Icon has been updated

we are saved

[gaunt owl]

Did blizzard really just nerf every tier set kidna

wtf are they smoking

[minor gust]

they really want this seasons tier to be meaningless and shit

[gaunt owl]

its amazing

why did they bother in the first place even

[minor gust]

at this point yeah why even bother with tier for S1

[tacit cedar]

Gotta get worthless tier to pair with the icon update

Can't make us too strong

[minor gust]

all they had to do is be like hey because yall have new hero talents to play with were not doing tier for S1 but we will for S2

[gaunt owl]

would have made sense

we didnt get tier set in SL til S3

[manic stirrup]

eh i think arms was just better in abberus

but it was close

up for debate and what your role in the guild was

[tacit cedar]

If we don't get tier how is blizzard gonna test future class changes by attaching it to tier

[gaunt owl]

we didnt even caught on the SKS secret tech til Sarri showed us

[minor gust]

tier is meant to try and spice up gameplay

[shadow ibex]

well our prio gets weird with it

[minor gust]

I agree with blizz in that theres no reason to do that for S1

[shadow ibex]

in exe

stacking buffs x2 delaying MS mega

[minor gust]

but them being this piss just feels like whats the point of having them at all for this season

[shadow ibex]

getting x2 OP resets for tier bonus or w/e and x2 EP

[gaunt owl]

cursed

[shadow ibex]

yea i do not like it

[minor gust]

I highly doubt that was blizzs intention with the arms tier but they got no idea what they doing and were prob just hoping its purely passive

[shadow ibex]

i agree

shouldnt have nerfed MS in s4

i dont think they are aware of it tbh. would have been something you'd easily address in these notes to day

[minor gust]

100%

[shadow ibex]

so we wait 6 weeks

[gaunt owl]

not like our work isnt public you know

but well they take feedback slowly

[shadow ibex]

this world is a prison

[manic stirrup]

wdym

nobody used sks

[gaunt owl]

it was secretly stronk in S2

[manic stirrup]

not on prog not on farm nothing

[gaunt owl]

we used it really late for raiding

see you missed the secret tech

[manic stirrup]

i mean literally nobody

i cant find any top 100 logs with it talented

anytime through 10.1-10.2

[gaunt owl]

because the best logs are still private

😄

but SKS was a really late APL opti made by Sarri in 10.2

we maybe used it for the last 2 month of the tier

[manic stirrup]

hmm i guess i am old and bad i had no idea

do you have any logs with it

[gaunt owl]

but it was really annoying to min / max

my logs were shit with it

[manic stirrup]

guess i have to spam ping sarri

gg

[gaunt owl]

@crimson charm can you flex your logs for Choco

[manic stirrup]

my logs werent that great

i never got gfreat pulls on experiments zskarn or amalg

[gaunt owl]

some boss were tough to get good logs on it

[shadow ibex]

experiments

can just die

[gaunt owl]

i didnt liked this fight

boring gimmick fake 2T

[manic stirrup]

that kazzarra was rank 2, rank 1 no pi

but not 100

[minor gust]

Fake 2T and depending on your raid team you had to hold dps

[shadow ibex]

you could get good 2t

[manic stirrup]

same with echo

[shadow ibex]

if tanks and ppl with charge didnt troll

[manic stirrup]

rank 3 and rank 4, rank 1 and 2 were garms with pi

or was that sark

i dont remember

[gaunt owl]

Garms unethical gaming

[manic stirrup]

this is my only mythic 100

lol

besides speed 100s but that doesnt count

[gaunt owl]

speed kill are the real parse

[manic stirrup]

we had the fastest sark kill by far for a few weeks of the patch

7:17, 15 seconds before enrage

[teal fossil]

garms diff

[fossil fable]

anyone having trouble to create a weakaura for bladestorm?

seems like an id problem

227847 using this one

[untold pewter]

ID changes with Slayer apparently

Yeah

[fossil fable]

im playing colossus 😦

[minor gust]

Playing Colossus with bladestorm

[fossil fable]

dont like skills that u need to throw it

so no ravager or spear for me

[untold pewter]

If you macro it @player there is no throwing

[minor gust]

^

it will always be at your feet

[fossil fable]

will try it

but spinning is cool 😢

[minor gust]

doing at @cursor too will replace the 2nd click too

but just do /cast [@player] Ravager and you will never have to aim it again

[fossil fable]

i would get replaced also cuz would throw it away aggro shit ang get kicked xd

[minor gust]

if you lose track of your cursor easy I would recommend getting a cursor weakaura or just making it bigger

I have that issue a lot too

[fossil fable]

need a macro to cast either bs or ravager at feet

so i dont need to replace it on bar

[untold pewter]

There's one in the faq I'm pretty sure

#dps-faq

[fossil fable]

found it ty

[latent moss]

garm cs parry on sark

[gaunt owl]

sounds like a skill issue you know

[gusty oxide]

My last 99 was during BFA first tier, lol

[quasi torrent]

gg

[wary dune]

Obviously to wait for further tuning but going into wednesday is it a wep embellish or a double versa embellish? for Raid

[reef glade]

weapon

and u can make a like nerubian doubling effect thing on like a 590 bracer that barely matters in terms of its ilvl

[gaunt owl]

long term play is not the sword

for big and fast power spike sword is nice

[untold pewter]

Do we actually need to think about marked for execution being at 3 stacks?

Like trying to not use the sudden death proc early hoping to get it to 3 stacks?

[plucky scarab]

Hello guys, I have a question on the multi rotation on Wowhead :
Why would we cast sweeping strikes before roar?
Thank you 🙂

[shadow ibex]

We need to get our tier nerfed and aura buff like everyone else

Do not want to do this stack buff exe rotation

[gusty oxide]

Kinda funny warrior is the lowest HP pool wise, since we can't take the stamina traits

[quasi torrent]

Arms bozo spec

[shadow ibex]

Yes and

[waxen elbow]

So real

[boreal quartz]

@thick kelp pretend i racechanged

[runic wagon]

Is it known if the nerubian fragrance trinket is good at all?

[boreal quartz]

its ait

[runic wagon]

fat rip

[wide apex]

theres some new consumable

gleeful glamour

you get to turn into any race for 20-60min

[waxen elbow]

Now race change fr

[boreal quartz]

dont need

[slow saddle]

this needs to have NO cd

gleeful glamour needs to be

[quasi torrent]

buy my glamours

[boreal quartz]

only if its urs

[quasi torrent]

:3

i got 2 LFD r3 up on AH

[slow saddle]

r3 seems like a waste ngl 😄

[quasi torrent]

itll be fine soon

in ~2 weeks ill have guaranteed r3 (with r3 dust) + multicraft dumps on shatter

[worn furnace]

anyone having problems with the bladestorm/ravager macro? for myself it won't put the ravager automaticly down at myself

[boreal quartz]

works for me

[lapis adder]

oh wow nice they are making survival's busy aoe a lot cleaner

wonder if they will do that for Arms

[mortal rivet]

What’s the exact text you’re using?

[worn furnace]

#showtooltip
/cast [@player, known:Ravager] Ravager; [known:Bladestorm] Bladestorm

[manic stirrup]

no @player for ravager

[worn furnace]

there is tho

[manic stirrup]

oh wait

i cant read hahaha

[mortal rivet]

Does it work with bladestorm or were you force swapped specs?

[worn furnace]

I mean it used to work before I used the known part for ravager/bladestorm macro

[manic stirrup]

do you have to manually target and place it or does it just not work at all

[worn furnace]

cause if I just pick the regular one without swapping automatic between the two abilities

it does work

[mortal rivet]

Does it work if you do @cursor

[worn furnace]

sadly not

[mortal rivet]

Yeah something’s fucky. Try logging out and try again

I’ve had that issue with macros recently

[worn furnace]

already found the problem..... the fun thing with macro's

you should put em on your bars

[manic stirrup]

that’ll do it

[worn furnace]

still ty for the help lads

[gaunt owl]

Lol its already shit tier 2%

[woven wasp]

exactly, nerf the tier by 50% and aura buff us by 10%

[fresh tide]

The tier philosophy they have this time is just weird, I really don't get it

If it's going to be a weak bonus and not change anything there's no reason to have it at all, which I think they would do if they had the choice

I get not wanting to push certain hero specs over others right at the start of the expansion, but the gap between them is huge for a lot of specs anyway

[versed marsh]

I might be overlooking it somehow and im sorry to be a bother. But what is our current stat priority?

[woven wasp]

ilvl

[versed marsh]

i mean that is of course the answer but what im saying is if there are 2 items equal ilvl stat'd different i still need to know which one to choose.

[grave mulch]

From BRD for anniversary

[steep osprey]

HoJ

[sacred zodiac]

holy moly smf is so back

[grave mulch]

hell no

[boreal quartz]

Tier makes gameplay worse at least

Really need that

[mortal rivet]

Look at the gearbox for arms

Crits for days

[fiery pine]

Is anyone able to replicate sims dps in game? Sims seem to get way more executes off than I am able to on a dummy. Im about 40k dps under my sims

[woven wasp]

are you simming target dummy

[summer elbow]

is this dmg for a H low?

[wide apex]

just go on training dummies and compare your dps to your sim dps if u care

cant tell much from heroic dungeons since mobs die instantly

[boreal quartz]

Seen higher seen lower

[mortal rivet]

Does your sim include lust?

[boreal quartz]

Depends on dung too

Ive beaten sim dps if i crit well 🤷‍♂️, but the time spent in execute isnt equal

[fiery pine]

Nope

No raid buffs no consumes, just 5 min patchwerk

oooh

[fiery pine]

I see, didnt notice target dummy sims ty

[drifting apex]

Guys since unhinged dont proc MS during SS when it's opti to bladestorm?

[shadow ibex]

I don't care about all that

I care about tier making execute rotation cringe

[old urchin]

You still cast MS during bladestorm with unhinged it just doesn’t cleave anymore with SS

[drifting apex]

yep i know that my english is just bad ^^'

[drifting apex]

i just dont know when do we use bladestorm now in the opening and during the rotation...

[leaden oracle]

use it after CS in the opener and off CD afterwards

[gaunt owl]

them nerfing base MS dmg was nail in the coffin

once again

and Colossus got shot harder in the process

[drifting apex]

k ty

[shadow ibex]

And now we missed this pass cuz they know nothing of this spec unless told

Had to teach them about IP

[wanton ravine]

Is Arms just bad for dungeons/M+? Relatively new to Arms, mostly did Prot/Fury when I did play warrior.

[ornate eagle]

Arms owns

Don't believe the propagators

[glossy belfry]

changes in patch 11.0.5 PALADIN Many talents have changed locations.
New Talent: Holy Ritual – Allies are healed when you cast a Blessing spell on them and healed again when the blessing ends.
New Talent: Worthy Sacrifice – You automatically cast Blessing of Sacrifice onto allies within 40 yards when they receive damage while below 35% health and you are not in a loss of control effect. This effect activates 100% of Blessing of Sacrifice’s cooldown.
New Talent: Steed of Liberty – Divine Steed also grants Blessing of Freedom for 3 seconds.
New Talent: Eye for an Eye – Melee and ranged attackers receive Holy damage each time they strike you during Ardent Defender or Divine Protection and Divine Shield.
New Talent: Stoicism – The duration of stun effects on you is reduced by 20%. 10% in PvP combat.
New Talent: Wrench Evil – Turn Evil’s cast time is reduced by 100%.
New Talent: Stand Against Evil – Turn Evil now affects 5 additional nearby enemies.
New Talent: Righteous Protection – Blessing of Sacrifice now etc... etc................................... Warrior Arms Warbreaker's radius increased to 10 yards (was 8 yards).

Oh really!!!?

[ornate eagle]

MmHg yes wall of text about not warrior

[wanton ravine]

Skill issue on my part then, cause fury is pretty simple to get big numbers. Maybe shit is just dying too quick in dungeons atm.

[glossy belfry]

Warbreaker's radius increased to 10 yards (was 8 yards). 🤦

[ornate eagle]

Correct

[glossy belfry]

because?

[ornate eagle]

Idk, pvp?

[uncut pasture]

🔮

[median scroll]

Alliance Andy

[mortal rivet]

Honestly any race is acceptable besides diaper gnomes

[median scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-garrosh-gif-24848307

[lapis adder]

its the most popular class and spec

if warrior was then you would see arms changes every few weeks

like "MORTAL STRIKES HITS 50 GORILLION TARGETS"

and sweeping strikes passive

[shut shore]

Idk, you should still be able to slam in heroics as arms. Things dying quick is good for any warrior spec overall wise. You just gotta be quick. I’ve been top damage in every heroic I’ve run except like one, which was because the frost dk was getting a ton of added dmg from the holy buff in that one dungeon since dw seems to proc it more

Everyone blows up adds at this point, but I’ve also just had more boss dmg than a lot of the people I’ve played with

[wary mauve]

How are you guys liking warrior so far? Is arms worth it to play?

[thorn pelican]

im having fun pew pew sweep cleave dps activated

[thick kelp]

Pretending

[nova marsh]

Look

we all know the only reason to play arms is to make yourself sad lol

Because ret is just a better version of arms

[flat willow]

But arms has charge

[nova marsh]

Arms is just ret with a dot and some mobility

[flat willow]

Which reminds me of the fucking rets keep crying to get charge despite all the shit they got

[nova marsh]

Remeber when they datamined a heroic leap clone during the ret rework and ret just never got it LOL

[flat willow]

Good

The retoilets shall never have mobility

[nova marsh]

The real reason I don't play ret

[flat willow]

They already got 30 yards range on all their abilities

[nova marsh]

having basically no mobility as a meele is fucking awful

[flat willow]

I mean yeah if ret had mobility who would be crazy enough to play arms

[nova marsh]

Even just a little more mobility like literally one button and I'd just play ret

[flat willow]

Wake of ashes is just warbreaker but better

[nova marsh]

Eyo no

[flat willow]

And the templar ability is demolish

[nova marsh]

Wake of ashes is just demolish but actually cool

[flat willow]

No demolish is the second part

Wake of ashes gives you haste, more damage for 10 seconds and you follow it up with the hero ability

Its literally warbreaker but better

And it has a fixed 30 seconds cooldown so cdr doesnt fuck the synch

[nova marsh]

I mean also I just find ret to be a true snooze fest

[flat willow]

I mean true

But so is arms

[nova marsh]

Na

I love arms lol, fury is more boring as sin to me

Mostly because rampage is just a lame button

[flat willow]

I was the same

Until they fucked arms in bfa

[nova marsh]

I'm a heretic who actually kind of liked DF arms even though it had a million problems

and now TWW has a million more and I still enjoy it somehow.

[flat willow]

I dont know I think I'm just biased, Every time I play arms I think its just a giant downgrade from legion

Maybe if I didnt play then I could enjoy arms

[nova marsh]

As evreyone says

But I was fury till Vault lol

Vault literally killed any interest I have in fury and then fury in S1 of TWW is once again gunning for the worst tier set in existence title

[frosty pike]

isn't this everyones set bonus this tier? im pretty sure they make it intentionally bland to ease into balancing for the expansion

[nova marsh]

I mean kind of?

But at least other specs like arms have something decent or okay

Fury season 1 could literally break 4pc with normal gear and it'd still be a dps increase

Most specs never had that in S1

Also, the hilarious reality of fury having a tier set that overcapped their execute on crit....which is just dumb on so many levels

[frosty pike]

yeah, i guess. i just don't see the point in being envious over any other set bonus when they boil down into the most minor tick of a dial one direction. i'd imagine every single set bonus atm is a single digit increase

without something altering what people may choose for talents, do in a rotation, or even add new procs/events its a pretty hefty nothingburger

which is fine, i get the intent and all

[nova marsh]

I mean most tier sets normally are single digit increase of like 3-5%

Sure there are outliars like I think S3 shaman was a ridiciously large gain on enhance

[frosty pike]

i'm more worried that theyll balance set bonuses specifically for certain hero classes as we progress into the tiers

but we'll see how it plays out

[tame wren]

I have a newb question, I see a lot of guides recommend rend in single target but is there any reason to even put rend on your bar instead of just applying it with thunder clap?

[frosty pike]

i think the general consensus of most people is you can just take rend off your bars

[boreal quartz]

It does more damage

It's a small gain to have rend

[woven wasp]

thunder clap doesnt apply rend without rend, and yeah rend does more damage to a single target

[boreal quartz]

Also rend is 30

TC is 20

And tactician matters

[frosty pike]

aren't they both 20 now?

[woven wasp]

gonna need a fact check on that phil

[tame wren]

Rend is 20

[boreal quartz]

I might be tripping

Rend always was 30 in my head

[frosty pike]

everything you know has been a lie

[boreal quartz]

Idk man i just press rend

Cuz it's better

Knowing why is clearly above my paygrade

[frosty pike]

i probably lose what comes out to be a 0.X amount of damage in fights that are exclusively single target for the sake of being lazy and not wanting another keybind

so my answer is i'm bad but also i don't care enough to not be bad

[boreal quartz]

Yea it's not big

[tame wren]

Rend and Slam are fighting for the same slot, and I never press slam...so its nbd for me to have it on my bar

was just trying to understand what the difference is, and it sounds like maybe its vestigial

[boreal quartz]

Wdym you never slam

[nova marsh]

I mean

You do

[tame wren]

am i bad?

[frosty pike]

i mean you can just look at the tooltip of both, theres a bit more direct damage on rend than thunderclap

[tame wren]

im just questing rn so shit is dead before it matters

[boreal quartz]

Probably not optimal to ignore the only other spender you have

Slam matters a lot more than rend at 80

[tame wren]

But reading is not the warrior way

I will try to zug better 😢

[nova marsh]

I mean damage won't matter until tuseday

when things can actually live

[tame wren]

I normally am prot, but joined a guild and they naturally already have tanks who arent bad

so learning new spec

so part of it is im just addicted to slammin

[vestal oracle]

Hey guys looking at the rotation what's the reason to roar before avatar? I always thought it was roar after, srry if it's a stupid question

[mortal rivet]

Slam is when you’ve ran out of stuff to push

[nova marsh]

because roar's damage is the dot

[tame wren]

its clearly 2x damage on rend

[nova marsh]

and that dot is all we care about

[tame wren]

now that I am reading

[vestal oracle]

I thought the dot did more after avatar

[tame wren]

I mean clapping

my foot...slaming it down i dunno

i fucked up

Okay so ill get slam and rend on there

thanks guys!

[nova marsh]

No. Remeber wow does not have snapshotting

Expect for feral

But feral's weird

[vestal oracle]

Idk what snapshotting is, but gotcha

Thanks for letting me know brother!

[mortal rivet]

Snapshotting means thats dot’s damage is based on the buffs at the time of application and not dynamically update

[vestal oracle]

gotcha gotcha

❤️

[median scroll]

trust in hekili brother

🙏

[fresh spire]

i think everything is 20 expect MS now

[boreal quartz]

Yea i kinda forgor

I realized with tc n ww but rend didnt register

[fresh spire]

everything pretty streamlined now, no more pressing TC as its a bigger rage dump :pog

[boreal quartz]

Now increase rage in exe

[fresh spire]

once stats go up its not so bad, more of an issue if you dont run the refund nodes

also when no windfury 😦

[nova marsh]

Excuse you

windfury was removed from the game, it's skyfury now

🤓

I mean skyfury honestly sounds way cooler then windfury to me for some reason

[fresh spire]

gonna take a while to remember the name changed after an eternity of it being WF

[nova marsh]

Just imagine a new player coming in here

and being like "what the fuck is windfury?"

Skyfury= you literally never run out of rage

[shadow ibex]

Nerf our tier

Buff our aura

Fishing for OP resets in exe range is fucking cringe

[keen night]

what is the arms warrior aura? the sound of metal spinning?

[fast coral]

so tired i legit thought you meant you were using the fisihng profession to get overpower resets

[wary mauve]

Fastest way to level from 70 to 80 on alt?

[fast coral]

dungeons

[thick hamlet]

are those 584ilvl dornogal shoulders worth buying?

stats wise they're pretty bad

[inner terrace]

I mean it only costs dumb crystals and gives big ilvl

[halcyon breach]

Don't know how you came to the conclusion that crit/vers is bad, but it being worth or not is entirely up to you. You could just use heroic shoulders instead and it wont make a difference

Both those shoulders and whatever else you can get this week, is gonna be replacable by M0 gear

[inner terrace]

ppl stressin like crazy on heroic dungeon drops like ur not just gonna swap ur trinket out in 5 days

[quasi torrent]

bälle

[short dirge]

how is warrior doing right now in terms of dps?

[boreal quartz]

ait

[sterile geyser]

what heroic trinkets are people opting to use? or just darkmoon trinkets?

ik the brewery trinket is bugged and giga op but im assuming that will be fixed soon

[stuck pebble]

Do we hit demo immediately or wait for 10 stacks as colo?

[devout pewter]

i think you just hit it, free damage

[boreal quartz]

eggsack + shard kinda

[echo epoch]

eggsack and shadow

[stuck pebble]

Nobody's done the sim on it?

[lean geode]

Looks like the APL doesn't care how many stacks you have

FWIW it does check for CS during execute and sweep, but not in standard single target rotation
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/profiles/TWW1/TWW1_Warrior_Arms.simc

[drifting apex]

Guys does someone have some détails just to compare mine.
Ilvl 585
ST 505k dps
5 target 1.47M dps
On dummies.
Just want to know if its quite good

[lean geode]

Run single target and 5t training dummy sims and compare to those

If you're around what the sim says, you're doing good

[minor gust]

Not gonna be that accurate because of execute phase

[blazing depot]

And lust, and raid buffs 😅

[minor gust]

You can turn those off

[drifting apex]

OK do you how much % i've to be compare to the sim?

Like 85? 90? %

Is it possible to sim with out exécute phase?

[ornate eagle]

Tbf the colossus APL hasn't really been cooked with since they threw colossus under the bus with MS nerfs

[lean geode]

I'm fury main so idk honestly

[minor gust]

Tbh not sure. But if you got some friends/guildies available or there's some ppl around hitting dummies 2 or 3 ppl hitting the same dummy will bring it to execute range pretty reasonably.

[drifting apex]

@minor gust good idea gonna ask for! Thx

[lean geode]

The kelpfist(?) dummy in dornogal also doesn't heal as much as the regular dummies so it's not too hard to get that one to execute range

[thick kelp]

No need to check as after opener every demolish cast is sent at 10 stacks anw and on opener u send a naked demolish

[lean geode]

I'm gonna keep it a buck with you chief, I pressed demolish about 4 times on beta and haven't since then

[tardy yarrow]

I'm looking for a simple melee to play, is Arms that?

[edgy solstice]

fury even moreso but yes

[tardy yarrow]

Does rend and skullcrusher make dot tgracking annoying? or non issue

[wary mauve]

Where is whirlwind? I can't find it?? Is it a talent or baseline?

[dire hinge]

Cleave now replaces Whirlwind if you talent into it

[wary mauve]

ah ok thanks

[dire hinge]

and all of the Whirlwind buffs impact Cleave

[dire hinge]

usually a non-issue. You'll always want your bleeds on your target, and the new Skullsplitter rework doesn't "consume" your bleeds any more, it just makes them tick faster briefly

[wary mauve]

should I take whirlwind or cleave?

[dire hinge]

Cleave for AoE, hands down

Cleave is like, the thing that carries all of our AoE

[tardy yarrow]

and in AOE i sweeping strikes and snipe executes?

after using all the other stuff

[dire hinge]

you can find the priorty/rotation here, it changes based on which build you're running:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#multitarget

[wary mauve]

how significant is the size difference between Colossus and non-Colossus?

[dire hinge]

Colossus and Slayer?
or Colossus Smash and Warbreaker?

[woven wasp]

5%

[wary mauve]

Colossus and Slayer. Colossus makes your appearance a little bigger right? I'm wondering how much bigger, like is it noticeably bigger?

[dire hinge]

here's two humans, one with colossus and one without. It's only a 5% size increase so you really can't notice it

[wary mauve]

thank you!

[quasi torrent]

in comparison its quite noticeable tbf

[wary mauve]

that's a bummer

[wary mauve]

kind of have to look for it. What if they're wearing a taller hat?

[quasi torrent]

if you just put either of them in the world its very hard to tell due to missing reference frame however

[quasi torrent]

right one is just a good bit taller

[dire hinge]

when your camera is like 30 yards out you don't really see it

[quasi torrent]

5% in real terms would almost be 1,8m to 1.9m

that's like a lot

[wary mauve]

it's noticeable in a height competition lol

honestly thought it would be bigger and more noticeable, like the difference between a tauren and human

[dire hinge]

in freedom units a 6ft person who is 5% taller would be ~6'4"

[quasi torrent]

Spunds about right

[dire hinge]

yeah, i find myself stacking the Vrykul Drinking Horn toy atop it to make it more noticable

then Aquatic Shades afterwards to override the viking helmet the first toy gives you

[wary mauve]

cool

[lean geode]

I do notice the drip though SHEESH

[dire hinge]

new drip is wild

[wary mauve]

Is Demolish a good aoe spell?

[dire hinge]

shadow wizard money gang, we love casting spells

[dire hinge]

it can hit really hard, there's just some issues with it which can make it less consistent than Slayer's frequent Bladestorms

[minor gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oseM5Zxgg78

[wary mauve]

I often take aggro off the tank with it, especially when it crits

[untold trench]

It is a lot more noticable on taller races, where the 5% diff becomes more prominent

It is a neato cheato thing

[split laurel]

is there a reason why people are dooming on arms in raid?

sims I see are higher than fury

[untold trench]

They dont like the playstyle, /end

[lapis adder]

whats bad about it

[untold trench]

Not my opinion

Gotta ask em

[lapis adder]

seems same as last few expansiosn

[plucky fern]

before execute you overflow rage because no good spender

[minor gust]

Nobody here dooms because of numbers

[plucky fern]

thats main problem for me idk about others

[nova marsh]

Hroth is 1 step away from a mage reroll

[nova marsh]

People hate it cuz we aren't legion arms anymore

Like what you just said is exactly why people don't like current arms

[woven wasp]

this is the problem with warrior dps

theres been barely any change since bfa

[frank fog]

Personally my problem with warrior is that Fury has taken over the entire class theme/fantasy. Will never really see any real change till they finally decide to give the class the Rogue/Warlock treatment.

[nova marsh]

I mean

I think arms has it's own distinctive theme

[fervent glen]

i feel like giving fury bladestorm kinda shit on arms big "aoe thing" flavorwise

[nova marsh]

Idk I guess I feel differently about that

[misty basalt]

We warriors, everyone can eat

[mortal rivet]

Arms hit big

Arms stronk

[leaden drum]

Who is looking stronger at the moment Arms or Fury?

[frank fog]

Fury but Arms isn't necessarily bad right now. Atleast at current gearing I havent had a Fury warrior outperform me. You know the whole thing of #1 spec mid skill level vs middle of the pack dps high skill level = same dps.

[errant flame]

Has anyone had befoulers syringe actually drop since EA I dont mind killing mobs to farm but want to know if it still drops

[leaden drum]

Thanks! sounds about right

[sullen holly]

what are people going to spend their first two sparks on?

[untold trench]

I am going to guard em with my life till mythic is out

Cause I dont trust blizzard to not suddenly buff/nerf/change stuff

[mortal rivet]

What funky said.

Likely I’ll end up with cloak/bracer with duskthread but we’ll see

[unique bridge]

Nerf?

Is that cap or is there more recent announcement changes again

[cunning sleet]

Maybe I'm an idiot, let me check.

Oh yes, I'm just an idiot.

I was looking at older notes.

[sour forge]

Well in DF they nerfed spore cloak after the season started I think

So it’s just a precaution in case they decide to do tuning

[cunning sleet]

Unless you NEED it there's really no reason to craft before mythic comes out tbh

[unique bridge]

That was in response to Sinu @sour forge not to do with crafting

😛

I spent my spark on my engi bracers for the infinite healing pot and single stat option and just to feel like engi was worth my time

[edgy solstice]

worth

[loud wadi]

Maybe it's a noob question but why does the "maxroll" guide say to use SS before Ava + CS + BS? Unhinged is no longer affected by SS, right?