yeah but the fun part was not telling them anything and be like " yo what a broken trinket "
#arms
flat willow
a bit like people crying about condemn being a bigger part of your overall dps than their covenant spell
fuck shadowlands arms, btw
minor gust
Pile on DN
boreal quartz
fuck shadowlands arms, btw
S2 was good
Prepatch rivals s1 pre rework df
in stank
minor gust
We have just accepted mid at this point
boreal quartz
We have just accepted mid at this point
We shouldnt
If you dont complain you get stuck with this shit
minor gust
We tried but John Blizzard don't wanna listen
daring heron
feel like i've pretty much quit arms at this point
maybe an "i quit arms" video would have helped
minor gust
We gotta make arms the least played spec in the game and hope they do something
flat willow
problem is that big unga bunga fighter with a 2 handed sword is just too popular of an archetype
it will never cross the threshold where blizzard thinks they fucked up
minor gust
Yeah to many casuals will play it cuz hur dur I'm Nutz from berserk
thick kelp
maybe an "i quit arms" video would have helped
minor gust
That's prob gonna happen tbh
halcyon breach
Truly a state of Arms if Critcake hope it doesn't get touched
minor gust
Their slow close might as well just play fury the whole time
ebon ridge
just let me vibe with fury
What happened to Mr Arms. You even used to play arms when Fury was meta (better of the two) back in the day
minor gust
Idk if there's gonna be a fight where omg arms is just insane here
flat willow
that's because arms was pure cinema back in the day
you played it for the sake of it
CINEMA
daring heron
What happened to Mr Arms. You even used to play arms when Fury was meta (better ...
I didnt change, arms did
daring heron
'it's you, not me', that's what people say right
halcyon breach
You could be frost mage
flat willow
I only play melee so I can't say for sure
halcyon breach
Pressing some ice lances
daring heron
i heard frost mage just hits ice lance now
flat willow
but out all of the melee I tried arms def has the worst gameplay
devout pewter
You could be frost mage
I played a bit of frost mage, it's so much chaos and then a lot of ice lance lmao
boreal quartz
Mage is boring
minor gust
Prob not the worst there's things about it that's a lil enjoyable but arms is def one of the most design flawed cursed specs
thick kelp
Sorry guys we arenot allowed to complain cuz rogues dont like their specs
boreal quartz
It has only recieved more and more problems
halcyon breach
i heard frost mage just hits ice lance now
Their opener is about 16 lines of ice lance
thick kelp
Pleaes wait for them to get their 3rd rework in 1.5expac
halcyon breach
Something close to that
daring heron
Sorry guys we arenot allowed to complain cuz rogues dont like their specs
quick rework assa while they are op
thick kelp
Spiteful Serenity
boreal quartz
TOM
boreal quartz
Lack of options in st
thick kelp
Storm of Swords
boreal quartz
Sks rework
minor gust
Rip storm of swords
boreal quartz
Dead talent rn
nova marsh
Ip deserved to die
minor gust
You were so cool in DF
boreal quartz
Ip deserved to die
It absorbs for zero
nova marsh
Storm of swords dying is an insult
boreal quartz
That's the issue
flat willow
I like the opener of dh
boreal quartz
Oh and i hate cleave 
minor gust
They coulda kept SOS before the cleave change but just lower the rage cost
thick kelp
Oh and i hate cleave <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Collateral Damage
I hate that talent
minor gust
Big dmg amp after your CDs huge
minor gust
Taking blunt over WB in keys is cursed
boreal quartz
Yep so big to do damage after my damage cooldowns end
Key too low on a melee spec
Especially colo
So fuckin dire
visual fern
Hahahahaha
half junco
its basically the same rotation after you meta , the abilities just have changed names because they are buffed from the hero talent
devout pewter
arms rework with s1 start 
definitely gonna happen guys
boreal quartz
Arms rework end worldsoul saga
daring heron
wtf is this
minor gust
DH opener
visual fern
its basically the same rotation after you meta , the abilities just have changed...
Which is what makes step 20 that much funnier
daring heron
it's like some tekken level combo or something lmao
flat willow
pure gaming
rare kite
i remember when demon hunter was just chaos strike. nothing else
boreal quartz
it's like some tekken level combo or something lmao
We can put arms in a complex lookin thing too
half junco
well they were bitching about how easy the spec was and it only had 2 buttons , now they have to get the Brain Chip from Elon Musk to actually continue playing
astral yarrow
Lemme just quickly write out APL 
thick kelp
@daring heron As your personal doctor I prescribe you one clear of Heroic ToS on a legion private server as Arms
minor gust
pure gaming
Last I heard of DH momentum build died and no mover was the best is that still true
daring heron
We can put arms in a complex lookin thing too
yeah press N -> spec fury - do fury opener
boreal quartz
<@235809563490779136> As your personal doctor I prescribe you one clear of Heroi...
Myffic
thick kelp
Nobody plays mythic on private servers
daring heron
<@235809563490779136> As your personal doctor I prescribe you one clear of Heroi...
ty
boreal quartz
yeah press N -> spec fury - do fury opener
Like the guy asked archi a week ago or what xd
boreal quartz
Nobody plays mythic on private servers
Oh are they all bad?
half junco
Last I heard of DH momentum build died and no mover was the best is that still t...
more or less yeah
thick kelp
Well yeah they play on private server
boreal quartz
Mhm i see
devout pewter
i'm so screwed, I dislike fury and I'm too stupid to tank. Guess I'll underperform as I don't really wanna reroll 😦
boreal quartz
Id be so pissed if couldnt get full bis on a pswrver cuz no one does the good content
minor gust
more or less yeah
That's sad DH gameplay with momentum is such a unique melee gameplay
boreal quartz
i'm so screwed, I dislike fury and I'm too stupid to tank. Guess I'll underperfo...
Tank is easy dw
Clap and win
daring heron
in s4 df, people were playing s1 df private
half junco
That's sad DH gameplay with momentum is such a unique melee gameplay
its also complete garbage 9 times out of 10 on most fights
boreal quartz
in s4 df, people were playing s1 df private
Lmaooo
daring heron
i saw people posting like +22 keys thinking wtf how, oh right
half junco
They should have tied momentum to Double Jump instead
devout pewter
Tank is easy dw
Class aint the problem, it's the rest that comes with tanking I just can't keep up with lol
minor gust
Cc mobs
thick kelp
i'm so screwed, I dislike fury and I'm too stupid to tank. Guess I'll underperfo...
Arms is the better ST spec np
minor gust
Ez
flat willow
Last I heard of DH momentum build died and no mover was the best is that still t...
they changed momentum with inertia, at least for mm+ (which is all I care about on my dh )
devout pewter
Remembering the route, what to pull and so on... but thinking about it now I think most dungeons are pretty straight forward now arent they
boreal quartz
Remembering the route, what to pull and so on... but thinking about it now I thi...
You see the Route once and never change
For weeklies
thick kelp
For weeklies
Dratnos weekly route
flat willow
I find it pretty fun
minor gust
they changed momentum with inertia, at least for mm+ (which is all I care about ...
As long as your still moving and dashing and flipping around all that matters. No mover should never be a thing for DH
flat willow
way more fun than legion dh at least
astral yarrow
They should have tied momentum to Double Jump instead <:keks:936231610850897992>
they did at one point in beta
flat willow
visual fern
minor gust
DH is a class I constantly play for fun but will never main cuz progging as DH sounds like cancer on a lot of fights
halcyon breach
Momentum dh was some of the most fun I've had progging fights
boreal quartz
Momentum dh was some of the most fun I've had progging fights
Momentum sark p1
Dire
halcyon breach
But I can't play it for long before I also just get sick of it
minor gust
Yeah shit like that is like nah I'm good
halcyon breach
Momentum sark p1
Can imagine
Sennarth was fun with momentum
Rng roll whether you'll stay on the spot or fel rush to Africa
daring heron
i love the glitched fel rushes that just launch you like that
boreal quartz
I just despise fel rush so i never dh
It doesnt move like i want to when i press A
halcyon breach
Yeah it made it a lot more fun playing it
boreal quartz
For D it works
halcyon breach
Perma gamba
minor gust
I would constantly charge Fyrakk after the first intermission when he leaps at tank and my character would shoot past him almost off the edge
boreal quartz
Xd
minor gust
My fav bug tho with charge is randomly doing a 90 degree angle mid charge
woven wasp
i love when i leap while moving then continue to move without touching the keyboard
ebon ridge
Idk why y’all nagging on arms. Gameplay wise it’s been way worse for sure (rage starved gameplay sucks).
Cleave also feels way better than spamming whirlwind with some merciless bonegrinder stuff
From a gameplay perspective I think arms is in an okayish spot
minor gust
Don't settle for mid
rare kite
Idk why y’all nagging on arms. Gameplay wise it’s been way worse for sure (rage ...
just because something has been worse before doesn't mean it's good now
balmy kindle
I get it I miss the ping sound and the fat mortal strikes too but it's not exactly interactive gameplay..
I agree with the no rage management too
ebon ridge
just because something has been worse before doesn't mean it's good now
What’s so bad about it?
halcyon breach
How dare you
daring heron
this was very secret information
daring heron
old crit was silly
halcyon breach
Unironically I would be fine with S4 Arms and Exhilarating Blows
If you just change the aoe tomfoolery
astral yarrow
If you just change the aoe tomfoolery
if that changed you wouldn't have questions to answer
daring heron
13:44 and sc is from 17:36 today
i saved the ss the day it was sent
halcyon breach
if that changed you wouldn't have questions to answer <:ratge:890357732543168594...
Sounds like paradise to me
Not having to recall the 9 conditionals to pressing cleave
thick kelp
Not having to recall the 9 conditionals to pressing cleave
Its easy now, +2T u always cleave on CD
no matter SS
halcyon breach
Easy to remember
rare kite
What’s so bad about it?
talents feel bad(multiple dead talents), like deft experience is required for the spec to not feel like dogshit. damage modifiers are too excessive, execute without juggernaut hits like a noodle. this part is more of a personal thing, but i don't think getting overpower resets feel that satisfying. especially when compared to colossus smash resets like in legion. there's prob more things, but that's what i could think of now
minor gust
SOA being split into two talents WB is only barely an AOE gain against blunt
dusty summit
Just play wise it feels bad, enjoyed it a lot more in df ngl
minor gust
There's so much that can be added to this list
rare kite
SOA being split into two talents WB is only barely an AOE gain against blunt
ye that's another one. wb/cs itself barely does any damage. warbreaker is the only ability we have that isn't target capped and it's still not worth it(yes i know shockwave as well but that doesn't count)
minor gust
WB specifically needs it's dmg giga buffed Blunt is so far ahead in ST so even if they pumped WBs dmg you won't use in ST
rare kite
this goes into the complaining about talents part as well kind of. since ms is so reliant on modifiers, talents like EB and battlelord are also just dead in the water.
like the dude said, arms isn't horrible. it's just aggressively mid
minor gust
Yes colossus not using MS talents is a crime
Every time they try and fix something shit breaks elsewhere which is why a lot of people just wanna see current arms scrapped and remade with a complete vision
Because it's been clear for a long time Blizz has no idea what to do with arms
rare kite
Every time they try and fix something shit breaks elsewhere which is why a lot o...
I would love this. I know some people are afraid that it's going to be even worse, but i'm willing to take that chance
minor gust
Remake back to legion all they really gotta do.
balmy kindle
Remake back to legion all they really gotta do.
anything but pressing focused rage thanks
forest matrix
Is arms as burst oriented as fury in m+ ?
boreal quartz
Wdym
thorn pelican
taking ignore pain to get more tactician procs 
shadow ibex
remove sos
minor gust
Can't remove what doesnt exist
thorn pelican
i guess tacticians only for rage spent on attacks huh
boreal quartz
Yes and itd make the spec play even worse
boreal quartz
Itd be so dogshit rancid
trim skiff
atleast i dont haev to use 3 slams in a row
woven wasp
batchest i love my guaranteed op procs that completely ruin the spec
boreal quartz
Op>ms
trim skiff
nah thats fucking cap
boreal quartz
Also you dont have tc or sos
So you still only have ms and slam
Exe with guaranteed reset becomes exactly that
OP farm tool
shadow ibex
Need to remove slam
trim skiff
which makes it worse that tactician was doubled down on nerfs
boreal quartz
dont check the apl
I know the cursed secret
minor gust
Opportunist owns
thick kelp
nhoooooooooo
shadow ibex
Fuck slayer
minor gust
shadow ibex
It's ok tho colossus also buffs OP because OP needs 17 buffs
Everything does to be good in this silly spec
astral yarrow
scaling real good with aura buffs
minor gust
You don't understand how can arms be a real spec without 30 different modifiers on all our abilities
trim skiff
nerf mp and buff ms baseline would solve many problems
battlelord should have ms damage buff to compete with jugg
minor gust
Think tactically be behind boss or get CS and demolish parried
boreal quartz
nerf mp and buff ms baseline would solve many problems
Delete all the amp dogshit
trim skiff
i personally dislike skyrocketing as we reach 35% and doing pretty mid or even low damage, thankfully slayer makes it feel a little better
trim skiff
Delete all the amp dogshit
I like EP though
minor gust
I can't wait to fail a dawnbreaker key by 1 or 2 seconds because my CA got parried.
thick kelp
IT takes 40seconds to reach 15 jugg once we enter execute as Slayer
around 50 as colossus
boreal quartz
trim skiff
yeah ramping takes a lot of time
thick kelp
Ramp all fight for 35% into another 40s ramp
boreal quartz
Need more tactician
thick kelp
boss at 3% hp
shadow ibex
No dev plays this shit
thick kelp
nimble yoke
anyone been seeing any visual bugs? occasionally my game will just look like i'm fucking drunk and everything is like fading as i move my camera
maybe it's a driver issue
trim skiff
have u tried playing sober?
minor gust
Or irl issue you good bro?
thick kelp
have u tried playing sober?
thick kelp
Looks normal
trim skiff
have u tried playing sober?
lmao
thick kelp
Sorry otell u buddy but even after 7 rewatches I see nothng in that clip
nimble yoke
i can get another clip cause you gotta look real close at that one to see it lol
trim skiff
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/859481872283205704/1277767410795151483/20...
no i see it aswell
thick kelp
no i see it aswell
thorn pelican
whole game looks like its jittering
trim skiff
its like you're using 200% motion blur
nimble yoke
so
where tf is my fps lmao one sec
initially i had max foreground fps and vsync in game enabled
i turned off both of them and tried enabling vsync in nvidia directly
didnt fix the issue
i turned off vsync altogheter, didn't help
trim skiff
ctrl r
nimble yoke
the fps isn't extremely unstable
trim skiff
ctrl r in game shows you FPS counter
nimble yoke
im in dornogal rn and its at 70-80 and i don't get the bug
but in dungeons it doesn't even feel like my fps is dropping when it happens
it just occasionally does
trim skiff
interesting, have you updated your gpu driver recently?
frigid lava
Is SS must in ST?
nimble yoke
yea there was an update the other day i think but iirc it still happened beforehand?
never happened in DF
visual fern
Think tactically be behind boss or get CS and demolish parried
Some real nice texture there
thick kelp
minor gust
Every CS parry is a I secretly wipe the raid moment
frigid lava
Accidentally make a raid wiping mistake.
manic stirrup
god it just enrages me
minor gust
Now we have demolish to get parried too!!!!
manic stirrup
if only i was fury that would be good
minor gust
manic stirrup
i mean honestly just ff
minor gust
I can't wait for dawnbreaker last boss in M+
Sooo fucking cool
They 100% will never fix it btw
daring heron
maybe jumo down and walk behind the boss so the healer can deal with the texture
manic stirrup
i think it would be so funny if they remofed demolish ability to get parried
but keep all other parry
thick kelp
Healers adapt type of play
manic stirrup
or like remove kingsbane specifically
just 1 random ability and ignore everything else
minor gust
Just post the clip of the Morgan Day interview about parry
thick kelp
overpower ignores parry, but demolish doesnt
didnt it use to proc from parries/dodges so its from this
minor gust
Don't worry we'll fix any outliers but we don't wanna remove parry it provides texture
woven wasp
overpower ignores parry, but demolish doesnt
pvp pilav xd emote
minor gust
didnt it use to proc from parries/dodges so its from this
Could only use overpowe if someone dodges you yeah
daring heron
you got overpower from parrying attacks too at some point
or wait
it was the interaction between retaliation and evasion
minor gust
No clue I only remember how OP was in classic wow
daring heron
man that felt good
halcyon breach
Some real nice texture there
Buttery smooth texture
thick kelp
Pile on
slow saddle
overpower was the old school pvp u got parried// dodged now u do more dmg
so please dont talk about how op cant be parried !!!! blizzard will "fix" it
minor gust
At that point it didn't matter because you got op procs from rend
lusty creek
does cleave replace ms now with 2+ targets?
thick kelp
Press botj
lusty creek
should i prioritize always ms anyway? (with ss active i already do it but idk)
shadow ibex
In rookery if you demo the big final boss it doesn't seem to hit his little shard adds
BECAUSE FUCK YOU STUPID
Whichever one has that big ass void elemental final boss
minor gust
Can't spell colossus without loss
lost kernel
Raid rotation require more buttons this xpac or less? Than DF?
thick kelp
Bout the smae
shadow ibex
It's sad some idiot couldn't be asked to make something new and just redid the leggo
Even consumes stacks to boost the on use
minor gust
Hey guys everyone loved the lego axe it was so cool! So lets bring it into TWW! Now which class of the 3 do we have 0 creative ideas hmmm warrior it is!
nova marsh
When was the last time warrior had creative design
shadow ibex
Lets root the spec that uses overpowering blows and mobility to whatever buzzword salad the arms description is
Just ignore the fact all 3 specs have the same mobility we swear it's the class fantasy for arms
nova marsh
I mean is slayer really anymore creative lol
"Hey you know bladestorm....what if your spec just...didn't function without it?"
daring heron
hero talents just add something to a spec
minor gust
Slayer was 100% made as psuedo bladestorm focus for the sole fact they were adding ravager to arms and they didnt want BS to die and be a button no one used
daring heron
shame that arms baseline is the problem
minor gust
yee
nova marsh
And we will never get a rework
minor gust
no we will
astral yarrow
Man entire day has been arms doom
minor gust
in 13.3
nova marsh
Na
minor gust
daring heron
11.0.5 cause my copium supplies are still good
woven wasp
We'll be in 20.25 when arms gets looked at
overpower will be buffed in 11.0.5 and youll use that build for the rest of the expac
shadow ibex
Probably
astral yarrow
as it should
💀
nova marsh
Dude if they did were all gonna clown on them
New sos is no cap worse then improved slam
astral yarrow
Maybe just giga sandbag sims for next tier
nova marsh
They're gonna tune arms to be a meme spec like survival
Gotta make sure furys perfect
minor gust
if it werent for Guts cosplayers no one would be playing arms like survival
astral yarrow
who is Guts
shadow ibex
Pvp spec experience
astral yarrow
outside whatever intestines that covers
nova marsh
Pvp spec experience
No
minor gust
Nutz
balmy kindle
Gotta make sure furys perfect
I dont wanna be a downer but i have never seen fury do well in a pug raid 🤣
astral yarrow
minor gust
shadow ibex
It's a pvp spec
astral yarrow
fury is
nova marsh
So
astral yarrow
😠
nova marsh
I should reroll enhance
astral yarrow
lightning bolt 70% damage breakdown
balmy kindle
Lmao
maybe i just didnt paly too much since DF1-2 but this is like the strongest i have seen in terms of tuning for fury, but even then i am not convinced ur average pepega pug can play it
balmy kindle
well some classes are good even when u are back from 12 H shift (BM hunter cough)
just slam random buttons and ur are mid
minor gust
ive seen a lot of bad BM hunters
balmy kindle
yes , but the worst guys still do some damage.. I pretty only pug these days since i cant commit to a raid schedule
manic aspen
Focus on having a good time then
True words
steep wedge
Im kinda new to arms but is it normal for me to be doing half the dps as arms as I did on fury warrior
manic stirrup
in what context
steep wedge
Dungeons
smoky kayak
Im kinda new to arms but is it normal for me to be doing half the dps as arms as...
half? yes
manic stirrup
fury has a ton of burst so they will be massively ahead in dungeons right now
smoky kayak
not really something that's easy to troubleshoot though
steep wedge
I’m using a weak aura for now till i get used to exactly what I need to do for arms so can just be a me problem. Fury just took like 1/4 of brain power tho to do way more for me
I feel like I may be overthinking the conditionals on my rotation
minor gust
look at a guide and hit dummies till you got it down
uncut pasture
if you're using any brain power that's too much
it boils down to keep Rend up, Mortal Strike (Cleave for aoe) off cd, press everything else off cd
balmy kindle
I’m using a weak aura for now till i get used to exactly what I need to do for a...
not a pro fury guy but i think an easy way is to start ensuring u have enrage before u pop ur major damage cds
also track dem meat cleaver stacks maybe
smoky kayak
I’m using a weak aura for now till i get used to exactly what I need to do for a...
in AoE especially, Fury is very easy to maximize, since it's all burst - most of your damage comes from just a couple buttons
but also, as choco said, that makes Fury really strong for current speedrun dungeons, because everything dies by the time your burst ends anyway
Arms is a lot more focused on sustained damage from cleave
steep wedge
Ah, so arms will feel better as mobs take longer to kill?
I like arms more than fury so I’m not switching back regardless
smoky kayak
"better" is kind of subjective, but my point is that heroic dungeons, where things can vary considerably from dungeon to dungeon or tank to tank, aren't the best way to evaluate one spec vs another either, especially if you're unfamiliar with them
steep wedge
"better" is kind of subjective, but my point is that heroic dungeons, where thin...
Makes sense
smoky kayak
however, yes, Fury is extremely bursty, and if everything dies by the time that burst ends, it's gonna look really good
I'm not even all bis'd out and I can queue into a H dungeon as Thane and do 40% of the groups damage
cause I just charge -> CD -> TBlast -> charge -> CD -> TBlast my way from pack to pack
as long as the tank and I hold W, nobody else really gets a chance to do anything
steep wedge
lol yeah it’s exactly how fury felt. I only really lost dps to like locks on some fights
minor gust
dont worry to much about whats good in heroics
frigid lava
I've been tuning around arms/fury today.
I might go fury this season... it feels a lot better.
shadow ibex
I don't think it's gonna be many colossus logs come raid
sacred zodiac
I don't think it's gonna be many colossus logs come raid
at least 2
shadow ibex
I'll be playing it
No Blord is the most cursed shit ever tho
Just feels like strictly worse DF
grand depot
Would u guys upgrade gear with minor crests?
Or keep it at 580 with valorstones only
fresh tide
It's technically better to use the crests to craft 590 stuff, but you can send weathered crests pretty guilt free
the main concern is not "wasting" your valorstones, but those aren't timegated at all so you can sweat it out if you're inclined
daring heron
im perma capped on valorstones
literally upgraded my pvp pieces yesterday just to use them on something
frigid lava
A week later, we will be farming M+s... crafting seems like waste of gold at time point.
gusty nymph
literally upgraded my pvp pieces yesterday just to use them on something
The purple grind on valor is crazy. I made over 5k stones in 3 days 🤓
floral hill
Why am I having such a hard time finding pre-bis gear setup? Wowhead is showing me ilvl 427 gear lol. Like what the heck is going on here.
fresh tide
A week later, we will be farming M+s... crafting seems like waste of gold at tim...
maybe if you're really strapped for cash, but the 590 stuff is really cheap if you want it
crafting a whole set is probably excessive, but it's great to fill in slots you cba to farm for in heroics
brisk frost
sacred zodiac
Why am I having such a hard time finding pre-bis gear setup? Wowhead is showing...
cause the concept of prebis gear is just insane
just go get ilvl
you'll replace it all in 2 weeks as soon as you log in anyways
ancient fulcrum
Some time ago someone here told me that we will play fury and arms, depending on the fight itself…is that still a thing or is one spec now better?
river ridge
Why am I having such a hard time finding pre-bis gear setup? Wowhead is showing...
It's most likely just the normal version of the gear.
floral hill
just go get ilvl
But where does it drop, etc. THAT is the point of pre-bis list. Finding where to go get stuff. Or should I just to random stuff with no real target farming? Am I missing something?
floral hill
It's most likely just the normal version of the gear.
Seariously....
sacred zodiac
which stuff is technically best right now doesnt matter cause you will replace it with anything you find in 2 weeks so no one has compiled it
river ridge
Yeah. Just farm for the same gear on Heroic and you'll be fine.
lean geode
The purple grind on valor is crazy. I made over 5k stones in 3 days 🤓
Tf were you doing to farm 5k valorstones in 3 days
sacred zodiac
you can go craft the 590 gear ig theres some wowhead guides for gearing rn i think
river ridge
But like Spongie just said it really doesn't matter because most of this gear will be replaced very quickly, and it's not worth grinding over.
dire hinge
^
river ridge
Just get all your slots to at least 580 and you're gucci
sacred zodiac
Some time ago someone here told me that we will play fury and arms, depending on...
the best warriors will play whatever spec performs best for what they're doing
dire hinge
The list is there because tons of people ask for it, it makes it easy to link to, doesn’t mean it’s a good idea or worthwhile
floral hill
What is all this crap?
velvet latch
you add 134 to 437
dire hinge
I’ve never much looked at heroic dungeon ilvl dropdowns, but I assume it’s math
velvet latch
so it become 571
floral hill
The most convoluted system to show gear I have ever seen. Like what the hell item level does a TWW heroic drop. Cannot even tell from this. How in the hell is this the premiere WoW database site?
steep wedge
Heroics drop 571 ilvl, upgrade it to like 590
floral hill
Click on what thing?
dire hinge
Chill my friend. If you want to see it easier, use Shift+J in-game and just select the dungeon and the difficulty
river ridge
The most convoluted system to show gear I have ever seen. Like what the hell it...
I mean typically, guides have the correct associated item level, but I'm pretty sure the top of the guide even says, "This is extra unnecessary, but if you really want a list here you go."
floral hill
Chill my friend. If you want to see it easier, use Shift+J in-game and just sele...
Not in game atm, trying to do some work to plan out progression.
velvet latch
Click on what thing?
on the +134 you show
halcyon breach
Like so
steep wedge
For arms just highest ilvl crit-haste gear you can find
velvet latch
then boom, 571 tooltip
halcyon breach
The one with the lowest amount of increase is the lowest base ilvl for that difficulty
heady hill
Is SIMC GitHub updated for arms? Am I pulling something dated?
Sorry if dumb question, just unsure the most updated rotation sim tool. Always relied on simc
dire hinge
Not in game atm, trying to do some work to plan out progression.
I can save you a lot of time with that:
TLDR is I wouldn’t recommend shooting for a full Arm PreRaid BiS.
- Run dungeons, equip highest ilvl you get, blow weathered crests on upgrading them. Individual pieces don’t matter (minus helm, shoulders, chest)
- buy renown gear as you unlock it, it’s better and cheaper.
- wait for raid to come out and don’t sweat this pre-raid stuff. It’s meaningless
smoky kayak
The most convoluted system to show gear I have ever seen. Like what the hell it...
you gotta look at the whole picture
smoky kayak
the majority of items in the game drop at a lot of different levels
it's not like other games where there are 3 set item levels that everything drops at
Even for raids which only have four difficulties, Blizzard uses an extremely complicated system of bonus ids to dictate these things, which is kind of impossible for any database to parse without someone manually going into every single item and setting ilvls
floral hill
the majority of items in the game drop at a **lot** of different levels
I appreciate the comprehensive nature of this system, it just isn't labeled anywhere near enough to be useable by someone new to retail.
halcyon breach
But how would someone know that TWW heroic is +134?
It's a TWW Item, and you'd have to have some small knowledge that it's already from that expansion to tell, either from having checked ingame or the method of acquisition which is below the items details
sacred zodiac
But how would someone know that TWW heroic is +134?
why are you trying to make a gearing plan from individual dungeon drop database entries? lol
smoky kayak
and then there's the upgrade system on top
floral hill
why are you trying to make a gearing plan from individual dungeon drop database ...
Because I am a boomer and that is what we did back in my day. I am not a retail andy.
smoky kayak
I appreciate the comprehensive nature of this system, it just isn't labeled anyw...
well the real reason is because it doesn't really need to be
it's setup to showcase all the different permutations, not "this is what you get from heroic dungeons, this is what you get from mythic dungeons, etc"
sacred zodiac
times change, you genuinely are fine to just go in and equip the highest ilvl stuff until the raid actually releases, at which point you can just sim potential upgrades to chase
smoky kayak
I agree its very convoluted and that makes it difficult to parse; I have trouble with it myself at times, but that's really a byproduct of the way Blizz' data is setup, not so much the site
dire hinge
Because I am a boomer and that is what we did back in my day. I am not a retail...
No worries there. You’re putting a lot of effort into something that is short term and has no meaningful impact.
I’d focus on learning upcoming Mythic+ dungeons and Raids, or just playing the game. The pre-raid optimization stuff is a time trap not worth a second thought
I’m literally sitting here fishing to pass time
floral hill
it's setup to showcase all the different permutations, not "this is what you get...
Why not label them as Heroic, M0, M1, M2, etc. Like, zero extra work, 10000% more useable.
smoky kayak
out of curiosity, what were you tryin to build, just parse all the stats of the diff drops?
Because that's not how the data is setup
those entries do not exist in the data
river ridge
I’m literally sitting here fishing to pass time
Fishing making some big gold last I checked.
smoky kayak
someone would have to manually do that for every single item in the game, which would be... an insane task
dire hinge
Sure does 
floral hill
someone would have to manually do that for every single item in the game, which ...
Fair, did not realize this was JUST raw data.
smoky kayak
it's all blizzard's data, run through a graphical interface
that's all a database really is
like I said, the way Blizz does it is by using a crazy complicated table of bonus ids
that said, if I understand correctly, what you wanna do is spreadsheet out all the diff dungeon drops?
floral hill
out of curiosity, what were you tryin to build, just parse all the stats of the ...
I am just tring to figure out what gear drops where. What the low hanging fruit is and what would be the best bang for my buck. For instance, seeing the weapon is a 5% droprate would steer me to farming something else more than likely. Other things being much easier to aquire (world quest, vendor, etc.) would cause me to prioritize that. But when I pull up the list and see everything at 437 ilvl just starts be off pretty dang sucky.
smoky kayak
I am just tring to figure out what gear drops where. What the low hanging fruit...
then go to the dungeon pages, not the raw database
dire hinge
World Quests rotate and are often unplanned. You kinda just log in and they’re a neat surprise.
smoky kayak
I am just tring to figure out what gear drops where. What the low hanging fruit...
every dungeon has a guide page like this with all the loot, straight out of the dungeon journal
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/the-war-within/dungeons/the-rookery-overview#loot
floral hill
every dungeon has a guide page like this with all the loot, straight out of the ...
So gear planning means I open every dungeon drop table and figure out what looks best, then put it on my own list (or 12 browser tabs) and go from there? How is that worse than last time I played the game? We devolved in the last 10 years?
smoky kayak
I don't know what you did the last time you played the game
but I am fairly positive nothing has changed in that regard
there's never been a single consolidated page that shows all the loot in the game for a particular patch or anything
floral hill
Last time we had pre-bis and bis gear loadouts all on one screen for your class/spec.
dire hinge
That method of gearing sounds awful and tedious, it’s not this the game works any more
smoky kayak
Last time we had pre-bis and bis gear loadouts all on one screen for your class/...
yeah those are called "guides"
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/bis-gear
halcyon breach
Last time we had pre-bis and bis gear loadouts all on one screen for your class/...
You still have these in the guides, but they're a pretty dated concept by modern standards
river ridge
Last time we had pre-bis and bis gear loadouts all on one screen for your class/...
I mean both of those exist currently on WoWhead <_<;
smoky kayak
what you're looking at isn't a guide though, you're looking at the raw drops
if you wanna see all the loot and put together your own list, yes you would need to do some legwork... the same way the people who put those guides together in the first place did
river ridge
Also gearing is a bit more nebulous in retail. Things like crafting, great vault slots, and others can have huge impacts upon your immediate DPS than in the past, even if they aren't the BiS option.
dire hinge
Unlike classic, specific items don’t need to be picked up, you can have various gear throughout and it’s unlikely most players will ever get full BiS. We don’t really hyperfixate on every individual piece like we used to
floral hill
yeah those are called "guides"
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fur...
So I am supposed to just divine that the listed ilvl is just not right and "trust bro" and also know I should do heroics to get it?
halcyon breach
Don't worry about the ilvl of the items first of all
boreal quartz
So I am supposed to just divine that the listed ilvl is just not right and "trus...
Have you tried a all dungeon droptimizer sim at varying ilvls
smoky kayak
you should divine that the displayed item is just a tooltip of the general item and not necessarily reflective of the specific drop ilevel yes
halcyon breach
It's simply to show the item itself, you always just want to get the highest possible ilvl of it
boreal quartz
I didnt wanna read the entire convo
But that seems so easy as it tells you avg dps gain per key
And gives a prio
smoky kayak
there's even a giant disclaimer right above the list stating that this is specifically heroic dungeon dropped gear that is easily farmable
smoky kayak
if you're looking for a giant comprehensive list of the absolute best items from world quests, crafting, dungeon drops, rare epic word drops, and crest upgrades for prepatch... yeah that doesn't exist - sorry
literally nobody is going to put together a list like that for preseason
because pre-season is the height of "who gives a shit" content
dire hinge
PreSeason planning is just have a good time and hang out, get gear if you can but it doesn’t matter
smoky kayak
quite simply put, there are far too many permutations of available gear (especially because upgrades exist, and use finite resources) for that to be a realistic list for someone to put together
strictly speaking, the best stuff available right now is crafted, but not everyone wants to invest finite resources and gold into crafting stuff that will be replaced first on heroic week and again on mythic week
and likewise, the best weapon is an epic world drop that the vast majority of players don't want to farm for and even those who do farm for it will never see drop anyway
so yeah, we only really bother to detail the easily farmable stuff like heroic dungeon loot
floral hill
so yeah, we only really bother to detail the easily farmable stuff like heroic d...
That makes sense (now that I understand). I just wish that was clearer on the guide. But I guess I am missing context on "the last 3 expacs" worth of systems. Maybe I am just the exception here.
smoky kayak
more like the last 5 expacs worth of systems at this point
I do feel like this kinda covers that point though
Only being available for a couple weeks, obtaining and upgrading all of this gear is not strictly necessary as it will be replaced very quickly once Mythic+ opens, but a good starting point for gearing up in the pre-season of The War Within```"This is loot from dungeons only (to help as a general guide), but there are other options from world quests, vendors, etc. Note: item tooltips display 437 ilvl, but heroic dungeons drop this same gear at ilvl 571"
river ridge
Sure it could say that, but even you questioned why it was showing 437 gear instead of a higher item level. It's not hard to make the assumption that these items are refencing Heroic versions.
Like you said, you've missed a few expansions systems so I get why it's confusing for you, but most players looking for a BiS slot will understand what the guide was pointing them to.
smoky kayak
"This is loot from dungeons only (to help as a general guide), but there are oth...
I mean it should be very, very obvious that 437 is not the drop level
and if you've played the game for 5 minutes, you should be able to tell if something else is higher or lower than heroic drop level, since that's clearly displayed in game
I could write five fuckin paragraphs in that section explaining what to do for pre-season gearing, but ain't nobody going to read all that 
smoky kayak
you'd forget the first sentence as soon as you read the second
boreal quartz
Why would i read anything but the rotation
tiny dock
warrior brain
river ridge
I think you should do a verbal guide so we can listen to it
Get Morgan freeman to narrate it
dire hinge
get gear, play game
boreal quartz
That's what im there for in the first place
smoky kayak
Why would i read anything but the rotation
I didn't know you could read tbh
the more you know
halcyon breach
actually I'm workin on something new for that
Rip-off Maxrolls method of showing it
boreal quartz
Rip-off Maxrolls method of showing it
Which is magehubs way of showing it
tiny dock
everything was in pictures
halcyon breach
Or Noxxic where it doesn't have any ordering to it, and if you click the abilities it just tells you when you press it, but not in what priority
boreal quartz
The magehub guide is so fuckin good bro
boreal quartz
The OP mage guide
From toegrinder
It's like kalamazis site kinda
External class guide
tiny dock
so don't bother with the wowhead guide
boreal quartz
I mean no
Poroms guide is as correct as toes is
But it's a different way of presenting it
Whatever works for you
halcyon breach
Does Toes also get very sad and upset if Blizzard bugfixes something
boreal quartz
Im sure
halcyon breach
mages..
tiny dock
they fixed the double dipping with arcane right
boreal quartz
Since season 3
halcyon breach
they fixed the double dipping with arcane right
They did
tiny dock
how bad did that hurt the spec lol
halcyon breach
Im clean of it actually
I'm stained by it
tiny dock
sry I know this is the warr disc
halcyon breach
how bad did that hurt the spec lol
Barely, before they have made changes to the APL
boreal quartz
(i also read the patchnotes)
halcyon breach
They're just more upset about the actual fix itself
boreal quartz
Porom will make it a dps gain just wait
tiny dock
oh lol
boreal quartz
But it's part of the fun jank that arcane always had
halcyon breach
WHY DO YOU KNOW FILTHY WIZARD
Because it's my character for split
boreal quartz
Was just too prominent
smoky kayak
Rip-off Maxrolls method of showing it
pretty similar, it's actually something they've been working on for like a year
boreal quartz
Because it's my character for split
Seek help
tiny dock
man I tried the awakening the machine last night on my arcane mage and I felt like ending it all
boreal quartz
maybe later
Yipii
halcyon breach
You can yes, but only temporarily
woven wasp
Rip-off Maxrolls method of showing it
what does method have anything to do with maxroll
halcyon breach
I did the same but it fixed itself
tiny dock
shit did not feel temporary
halcyon breach
<a:chatting:1266019851743399996> what does method have anything to do with maxro...
!!!
tiny dock
i had a nullbot immuning that big ass lightning conduit thing
boreal quartz
tiny dock
0 chance of me saving that run
halcyon breach
pretty similar, it's actually something they've been working on for like a year
It's a comfy way of showing it for sure, if you just want a quick and easy way of reading the order
(even if Revvez has an invisible Rampage in his Fury opener)
halcyon breach
halcyon breach
Very powerful tech
sacred zodiac
who found this?
quasi torrent
Does Toes also get very sad and upset if Blizzard bugfixes something
pensive toes
sacred zodiac
Or Noxxic where it doesn't have any ordering to it, and if you click the abiliti...
i love noxxic
daring heron
(even if Revvez has an invisible Rampage in his Fury opener)
prepull rampage on something clearly
sacred zodiac
do the sanctum revvez fully stacked OWS on pull technology
olive nest
Optimal arms opener
smoky kayak
(even if Revvez has an invisible Rampage in his Fury opener)
the real issue with such things is how many permutations there are depending on what talents you have selected
do you try to consolidate everything into one complicated view? Make 4 different layouts on a toggle to swap between them? etc
fast nebula
any know if this icon is usable for macros. searching "colossus" isnt bringing it up on macro addon
nova marsh
The max roll site is kinda weird
nova marsh
any know if this icon is usable for macros. searching "colossus" isnt bringing i...
Because macros use the internal names to my knowledge
So who the hell knows what it's called
fast nebula
yea dont even knows what to google to find out
nova marsh
Could try wowhead db
woeful glacier
anyone else having trouble logging in
woven wasp
any know if this icon is usable for macros. searching "colossus" isnt bringing i...
its not an ability icon
its a piece of art
macros use exclusively icons
heady hill
Is anyone aware if raidbots is updated to the most recent sim logic?
Simc doesn't seem to be, but I'm also not sure how frequently they update
woven wasp
use latest
woeful glacier
also how do i sim for mplus
nova marsh
Just sim for st
nova marsh
The API for st for all specs is usually a lot more accurate
woven wasp
application programming interface
nova marsh
Asses per instance
woven wasp
Action Prioritly list
heady hill
Ah ok, looks like the APL isn't updated. Sorry for confusion
halcyon breach
the real issue with such things is how many permutations there are depending on ...
Yeah I know there's only so much you can do, based on the tool they're using. Just thought it was kinda funny
latent moss
do the sanctum revvez fully stacked OWS on pull technology
chaos bane
and ows stacked on pull tech
hoooly tech
merry kite
can anyone send my just a cookie cutter dungeon build for arms, im searching everywhere but links are broken or its nothing definative
i cant bare to be another fury warrior
olive nest
Just manually copy the images on one of the guides if the import string is broken
merry kite
yeah u click m+ and it sends u to a leveling to 80 build :/
minor gust
smoky kayak
yeah u click m+ and it sends u to a leveling to 80 build :/
M+ isn't out yet, and heroic dungeons are a joke
gaunt owl
and M0 next week gonna be even more of a joke
minor gust
M0s whats that I only know T8 delv blasting
royal kiln
.
gloomy mirage
M+ isn't out yet, and heroic dungeons are a joke
tell that to 4 randoms in my heroic dungeon who couldn’t do the last boss on dawnbreaker 😭
smoky kayak
M0s whats that I only know T8 delv blasting
delv blasting what's that? I only know Heroic raid
smoky kayak
tell that to 4 randoms in my heroic dungeon who couldn’t do the last boss on daw...
somehow I don't think that was a problem with their build
strong tendon
WHat items are available out of the great vault from the delves row? is it m+ items or something totally separate
gloomy mirage
somehow I don't think that was a problem with their build
ok fair
hazy saddle
Probably just open world stuff. Things you would get from WQs
smoky kayak
I would presume the same gear you get out of delves
gaunt owl
i just hope we dont have a bis trinket coming out of this place
dont wanna need the rng to gain 2% over the next guy
smoky kayak
Mark of Khardros enters the chat 
gaunt owl
this one gonna be cursed too
i just deleted the memory of it
so i can enjoy the game
only raid trinkets exists
gilded stump
WHat items are available out of the great vault from the delves row? is it m+ it...
Any outdoor activities
gilded stump
minor gust
delv blasting what's that? I only know Heroic raid
gotta delv it up before raid
smoky kayak
practice runs
hazy saddle
Who is we?
gilded stump
Don't think about it
minor gust
you can q a delv da fuck?
thick kelp
yep
lucid thicket
Isn't the point of a delve to do it solo?
south kiln
so why do we use bladestorm with 2 stacks of executioner's precision?
lucid thicket
TFW you need the squad to do solo content
thick kelp
Not really but Brann is horseshit so
gilded stump
You don't need your squad but real homies always do shit with the squad
If you do delves on your own you're a Busta
Straight up Busta
hazy saddle
@south kiln Bladestorm auto casts Mortal Strike when talented into unhinged. Free damage
gilded stump
shadow ibex
Do we use coffee keys yet
thick kelp
no
brittle tapir
Morning all quick question here: in ST situation is it beneficial to hold GCD a little bit for Mortal Strike? For example if you are off GCD when MS has 0.5 sec cd left will you wait
teal fossil
yes but you also messed up your rotation somewhere
because MS is exactly 4 gcds of cd
brittle tapir
Point taken. Thx
shadow ibex
Mighta had to wait for an auto to get the rage
muted drift
What’s everyone thinking the raid spec will be?
reef glade
fury proly but tuning could come
and i think arms is pretty close/even st
just def not as good simultaneous aoe
and fury typically lives a little better too
muted drift
Fair, just with demolish was somewhat on par
minor gust
both feel like they will do fine but in that scenario fury prob gonna be overall better for prog due to it just being tankier
gilded stump
What’s everyone thinking the raid spec will be?
Prot
strange sapphire
if youre not in a top 500 guild, play what you are best at. If you are in top 500 you already know the answer. I have a feeling there will be a decnt tuning patch before mythic comes out
manic stirrup
if youre not in a top 50 guild play what spec you like all the time
minor gust
yes theres gonna be another tuning patch before mythic
strange sapphire
hopefully colossus gets a buff to bring it closer to slayer in ST.
minor gust
hopefully not
manic stirrup
you can play colossus
strange sapphire
I imagine parses are not going to be seperated by hero spec
shadow ibex
Doesn't need a buff needs to be less awkward to use
gilded stump
yes theres gonna be another tuning patch before mythic
Wanna bet on it?
minor gust
Since Blizzard confirmed it themselvs yeah
gilded stump
They also confirmed the dance studio
minor gust
yeah they dancing on you
gilded stump
yeah they dancing on you
Why you're so mean to me
minor gust
because I love you
plush ice
hello, returning to warrior and I wanted to ask about a question about overpower and it's relationship with MS. reading the prio, it seems that 1 stack of overpower before MS is good, versus trying to stack 2 all the time before using MS. while I think I have an answer for this, i'd appreciate some reassurance as to why the prio functions this way and that we don't prio 2 stacks. I imagine as the the rotation becomes less flooded it naturally happens more frequently but rather an answer from someone who knows what they're talking about instead of my dumb brain.
while i trust the process, I tried seeing if there was more info on this before posting here, maybe i wasn't looking in the right area but looked at dps faq and wowhead and didn't see much on the answer for this. sorry for repetition if this answer pops up a lot.
teal fossil
you press OP first to ensure that you dont waste a charge
get it on cooldown asap
then you press MS to get that on CD
and then rest flows by itself
plush ice
ah, ok thanks
smoky kayak
hello, returning to warrior and I wanted to ask about a question about overpower...
two things
1 - like ronin said, you're mostly trying not to waste charges or delay MS, if you prio'd two stacks every time, you'd almost certainly end up delaying mortal strike to reach that second stack first, and spending more time on weaker Slams instead
2 - speaking from a mathematical perspective, assuming every Overpower buffs a Mortal Strike, 1 buff is better than 2 (because the damage bonus is multiplicative, but stacking the bonus is additive)
vernal briar
Do we no longer SS before BS? 😮
I noticed my Mortal strikes from BS not cleaving ..
smoky kayak
I noticed my Mortal strikes from BS not cleaving ..
Blizz hates fun #updates-midnight message
vernal briar
so I'm throwing big fat cleave outside my colossus smash ...
my gut hurts
this feels wrong, any warrior therapists?
latent moss
reputations
u can get a few pieces
and craft the rest / from heroics
head shoulders chest
from reps
woeful glacier
oh snap
vernal briar
pretty easy to get it, dw. literally takes less than a day if you're doing the side quests and zooming
latent moss
and 7 with hallowfall arathi for chest
latent moss
pretty easy to get it, dw. literally takes less than a day if you're doing the s...
nothing else to do
anyway
might as well
vernal briar
true
smoky kayak
you can also get a neck from hallowfall and a trinket from severed threads
latent moss
is that trinket any good
smoky kayak
both require renown 11, but that's not too hard to get atm
fresh tide
Blizz hates fun https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171...
sweeping strikes before bladestorm was weird but there was no reason to kill the fury cleaves 
woeful glacier
i am only 6 with hallowfall
smoky kayak
no idea tbh, probably not
smoky kayak
sounds great for Fury 😉
latent moss
smoky kayak
but it's not about the stats, it's about the free upgrades
gilded stump
I'm pretty sure there's an elusive no mainstat polearm that veteran
smoky kayak
get the neck and you can upgrade a better itemized heroic piece at a discount
frigid cipher
the first neck is crit/vers i assume the second is too
latent moss
but it's not about the stats, it's about the free upgrades
couldnt u just craft one
wait
vernal briar
I'm pretty sure there's an elusive no mainstat polearm that veteran
no mainstat is a big deal breaker me thinks
smoky kayak
you can't craft trinkets, you can craft neck but not everyone will have necessarily maxed crests
frigid cipher
latent moss
yeah true about trinkets
smoky kayak
that's the first one, second one is 584
frigid cipher
the first neck is crit/vers i assume the second is too
yea
smoky kayak
584 is also Crit/Vers, so not bad for arms at all
frigid cipher
i just imagine the stats are the same but it could change
smoky kayak
they are, I just checked
gilded stump
you can't craft trinkets, you can craft neck but not everyone will have necessar...
What about alchemy stones
smoky kayak
requires spark, so it's poop
gilded stump
Yeah but you can craft them
smoky kayak
Yeah but you wouldn't
gilded stump
I mean you also wouldn't download a car would you
smoky kayak
unless you're just trying to set yourself up for failure
twin lion
which dps spec looks like the go to in raid progress?
latent moss
🔮
smoky kayak
if you're really tryin to optimize, probably a switch angle
Fury good for fights with lots of adds
gilded stump
I wish alchemy stones were decent for the start at least I really want to use one
smoky kayak
Arms probably good for ST focus
vernal briar
is Skullsplitter really good in ST?
smoky kayak
yes
gilded stump
No the guide writers just put it in there to fuck with you
twin lion
Yeah I though so I'll try gear both specs my raid demands best performing one
minor gust
they are still pretty close I can see Fury overall being better for most people
vernal briar
No the guide writers just put it in there to fuck with you
knew it
jk, but srsly, my lazy boomer brain hates one more button which is why I wanted a reason not to take it
gilded stump
They all sitting in #secretmodchat and laugh at us for picking it
vernal briar
that's what I'm saying
gilded stump
Just macro it with rend
So you have one button
I macroed everything with rend and my uptime has drastically improved about like 137%
smoky kayak
jk, but srsly, my lazy boomer brain hates one more button which is why I wanted ...
tbh I think it's nice to break up the rotation
cause otherwise Arms is a little too simple, esp in ST
plush ice
the only other question I have is the arms st build with slayer:
is the opener damage you should be expecting when playing slayer is a rather smaller burst (e.g. 580 with basically most of wowhead recommended preseason gear I'm hitting about 750-800k burst window tapering close to 500k after a 5min fight) numbers themselves aren't what is important to me, more/less the dmg profile I'm experiencing.
... question being when playing slayer ST correctly we're not having an expectation of some large burst window? it's a small burst with solid damage throughout the encounter that slowly tapers us off? Just making sure this is somewhat what we're looking for when using the slayer build.
thanks for the answers, very much appreciated.
vernal briar
I macroed everything with rend and my uptime has drastically improved about like...
Wait, you're cooking
gilded stump
I know
vernal briar
giving me classic hunter vibes, bind auto and pet attack to everything
novel stump
the only other question I have is the arms st build with slayer:
is the opener ...
Yeah, basically. Our cooldowns don't really line up, so we use them whenever they're available.
unique bridge
Anyone done any extensive testing of the embelliishments in tww? I kind of want to try the pocket grenades from engi but not sure how it stacks up to other options
shadow ibex
we cant even craft some of them yet as they are raid drops
tulip stump
have earthen taken over as best race with the extra armor for armored to the teeth?
fathom shoal
anyone know if sims are ready to go yet?
untold trench
have earthen taken over as best race with the extra armor for armored to the tee...
Nope
untold trench
anyone know if sims are ready to go yet?
Heroic Week
fathom shoal
Heroic Week
rgr thx
dire hinge
anyone know if sims are ready to go yet?
The APL has been updated to have the rotation now, yes
If you have specific questions though, you can ask them here
fathom shoal
cool thx
manic river
Hello guys, after a while I'm returning with my arms warrior with TWW after maining another character and I was taking a look at the current builds and there are some questions I had.
- I noticed on the slayer rotation SS is prioritized inmediately after putting rend on the mobs, and skull splitter is cast even after WB. The former is to take advantage of the Slayer procs with the autos and the area passive attack maybe?.
- A question I had for a long time was, does Roar not benefit from extra damage from Avatar? because it is always prioritized before it.
wary mauve
What's more fun, fury or arms?
sacred zodiac
2. A question I had for a long time was, does Roar not benefit from extra damage...
the roar dot lasts long enough to benefit from most of avatar and the upfront damage of roar is kinda poo so using it before cds is usually better
sharp spire
Hey just joined. I'm a fairly casual player... has anyone else just removed Slam from their bars entirely?
Button bloat is a thing and Slam is... I don't like Slam, man.
shadow ibex
slam is our ST rage dump
you need it on your bars
its 2-3% of your dmg before considering the OP resets it can grant. if youre ok losing like 4% of your ST dmg i guess you can remove it but not exactly a good idea
frigid pewter
Can anyone help me understand this line from the WoWhead Colossus Arms M+ guide?
Warbreaker is a deceptively weak choice, due Demolish frequently not lining up with it anyway, while Blunt Instruments allows more frequent use of Cleave - which Colossus buffs considerably.
Am I missing some interaction with Colossus Smash that enables more Cleave use? AoE sims are also showing Warbreaker higher for me.
fringe moon
How was warrior not included in today’s class tuning…
Did the class tuning today buff survival?
dire hinge
Can anyone help me understand this line from the WoWhead Colossus Arms M+ guide?...
Sure thing, so Arms has a choice node between Warbreaker or Blunt Instruments. The part that isn't direclty mentioned is a different talent called In for the Kill, which increases our haste while Colossus Smash is applied. Blunt Instruments applies to In for the Kill, meaning we get a decent haste buff for even longer. It's like a mini-lust every time you use Colossus Smash
The longer Colossus Smash duration also translates to a pretty big gain on Boss fights during a dungeon
I agree, it seems strange to not take Warbreaker in dungeons, but genuinely it's not needed since Cleave applies Deep Wounds for us frequently, and Arms doesn't really need any more AoE damage, but we can get some very good gains (overall) by running Blunt Instruments instead.
Just pick the biggest thing in the pack and smash it, it plays quite well
frigid pewter
I really appreciate the breakdown, that helps a lot! I honestly prefer to have more prio than aoe spam damage, so that fits nicely. I just couldn't figure out the why, haha. Thanks again 😄
noble oxide
Can’t wait to give it a try, right now I’m running war breaker because everything dies so quick in heroics and open world
dire hinge
Sure thing! Happy to help. Hope the expansion is treating you well so far!
noble oxide
I agree, it seems strange to not take Warbreaker in dungeons, but genuinely it's...
This is the part that always got me. I figured applying CS to all mobs in a pack would be better than the 3 extra seconds of CS / haste
But depends on dungeon I guess
dire hinge
For sure, it's this weird context of like, "but warbreaker AND deep wounds is good, right?" when in reality it's only a very small AoE gain (we're talking like 1-2 percent). Compared to boss gains we're looking at like 9% for going Blunt Instruments, while still doing very well in AoE thanks to Cleave.
sleek fox
Is there any info already posted on the crafted weapons and which one to go for? I was going to go for the sword because it looks better, but someone said the axe would be best cuz abilities are calculated off max damage or something? Any clarification would be good.
noble oxide
For sure, it's this weird context of like, "but warbreaker AND deep wounds is go...
Yeah kinda counterintuitive I guess
dire hinge
Is there any info already posted on the crafted weapons and which one to go for?...
so all weapons are normalized, meaning any of the crafted weapons (the ones that don't have an effect on them already) will perform the exact same. It's purely aesthetic, I promise.
as far as crafting a weapon goes, you'll need two crests (so next week at the earliest), but you might want to wait until after you do a round of raid/dungeons to see if you get a good weapon first or not. You could use the sparks to fill other slots instead if you get a good drop. But that is going to be you (and your raid's) choice
sleek fox
That makes sense. Well thanks for that.
dire hinge
of course! good luck out there 🎉
fair tangle
Stupid question. Do we still have damage increase by x% when Rend is active like in SL?
Or did I just miss that in the talents / descriptions
smoky kayak
Hello guys, after a while I'm returning with my arms warrior with TWW after main...
Are you asking why Sweeping Strikes is used before Warbreaker, as opposed to after it?
It's because Sweep lasts longer and already has good uptime, so maximizing GCDs in Warbreaker is more important than maximizing GCDs in Sweeping Strikes. That said the difference is pretty small in most cases, and if you're running Bladestorm as Slayer you should now delay Sweep until after it ends since Unhinged no longer cleaves
shadow ibex
Stupid question. Do we still have damage increase by x% when Rend is active like...
that was just extra crit dmg and it was built into our talent tree
its just impale now
smoky kayak
yep, just free damage
fair tangle
Cheers! Apologies for my ignorance 🤭
smoky kayak
there are also interactions with Thunderous Roar & Skullsplitter
fair tangle
That I noticed but I thought I was going insane looking for the buff I was used to from SL :D
smoky kayak
Yeah, byproduct of the new expanded talent tree system is that most/all effects got broken up into individual talents
feral vector
This has probably been asked multiple times here but I checked the pins and didn't find anything, isn't it weird that our MS from Unhinged doesn't cleave with Sweeping Strikes? It would make the demolisher opener much better and just allow for more demolish usage overall
nova marsh
YEs it is
But blizz said no
It used to on the beta, instant that shit went live blizz said no
nova marsh
yeah it's weird
feral vector
I could be mistaken here but I have an idea of it working last expansion from the brief time I played pvp
shadow ibex
its worked like that up until they changed it last week or w/e
even in shadowlands with the unhinged legendary
soft sigil
Are you asking why Sweeping Strikes is used before Warbreaker, as opposed to aft...
In a similar vein, is there any consensus on CS timing (with Blunt Instruments rather than WB) for Slayer when bursting aoe? If you CS then bladestorm you lose out on sweeping CS but gain prio damage from unhinged, if you sweep CS then BS obviously losing out on sweep uptime, or could just not CS at all until BS is over but then losing out on some unhinged damage
feral vector
Weirdge, it's not like it would break the spec in any way
shadow ibex
fwiw its bugged right now and you will get the extra stack if you sweeping before ravager/bladestorm
even tho only 1 hit is generated
can test it for yourself on the aoe dummies in the new capital. just sweeping before bladestorm
undone comet
I swear this trinket is bis right now or am I cooked.
weary mountain
So the rotation guide says I should use Avatar with Colossus Smash specifically, but I'm guessing if they get desynced I shouldn't hold Avatar for too long. Is there a consensus on how long I should be willing to hold Avatar while waiting for CS to come off CD?
runic pagoda
undone comet
As long as you get full value of your cs during avatar window
weary mountain
Oh nice, thanks!