arms

[slow saddle]

but if jugger stacked inlike 3

and lasted longer

would feel better than now ^_^

[rare kite]

if they made warlords torment(the cs part) only when target is below 35% that would be so good

[slow saddle]

the CS part could work all the time the Rage could come in on execute i guess

the CS part with crit chance was nice as well and would help collosus fuck more

[trim skiff]

i think currently arms is pretty good overall (atleast in aoe it feels really damn nice) but ST rotation needs work because having to fill so much "blank space" with slam is really bad

[slow saddle]

rage isnt horrible in Slayer, but it still doesnt feel good as collosus

[teal fossil]

well the problem is that you think slam is blank space

[slow saddle]

coz biggest BIG F U C K moment as collosus is ravager + avatar + execute ... but

slam is good but slamming 3 times

[weak wave]

Show your hybrid builds - the best mix of ST and MT for M+! 🙂

[teal fossil]

archi said slam should increase tac procs

im onboard with that

increased chance to proc tac

[slow saddle]

procc fishing-. feels like procc fiisting coz of the nerfs to tactician and at the same time halfing rage spend

[trim skiff]

Idc about slamming once as a filler as i said 20 minutes ago, my problem is slamming 3 times and an ms without getting a proc

no, that would be terrible what the fuck

[teal fossil]

ideally you slam once per MS

[trim skiff]

well, ideally, now you do it 3 times

[slow saddle]

i give u a clue

[teal fossil]

i think all the buttons needs to have a role in rotation

you cant just not have slam

[slow saddle]

go to youtube, search for the old NFL song RAM IT, replace ram with SLAM it, and u enjoy slam

i reckon slams job as a filler is important and good esp that just means sub 35 we fill with executes instead of slam

[minor gust]

Get custom sound WAs for MS/OP/Slam that say Bop It, Twist It, Pull It

[trim skiff]

Mate i dont mind using Slam sometimes, but not 3 in a row. Most of the time Tactician fixed that, now that we have -1% overall proc chance, its just BROTHER EWW

[teal fossil]

again

increased tac proc on slam would fix that

idk why you think thats terrible

[slow saddle]

thats perfect fix

[trim skiff]

Because you'd slam only once sometimes and thats it

[slow saddle]

well ideally just buff overall tac proc with 100%

[teal fossil]

and thats badluck protection

there you go

[slow saddle]

its a stack ?

15% first slam 30% 2nd ?

or what ever value we would need

[teal fossil]

that could work

but that sounds like a talent

[slow saddle]

yeah for sure

😄

[trim skiff]

idk whats the problem with how tactician worked in df lmao, it actually had value

[teal fossil]

and we are kinda tight on talents

[slow saddle]

bake it into Battlelord

!

[slow saddle]

problem is they nerfed it, coz it was to strong, but then halfed our rage spending in tww and forgot to buff it back 😄

[trim skiff]

yeah but people here dont seem to fucking realise that

[slow saddle]

it used to be 40 rage spend = proc

[trim skiff]

but would instead do band aid fixes with slam and so on

[slow saddle]

i mean its not band aid fix

its a way to make slam worth pressing

and avoid the pure MS - OP loop

[teal fossil]

the slam buffs are also pretty solid

[slow saddle]

makes sense id say

esp if we want a baseline stronger ms

[teal fossil]

the gap between slam and OP is much smaller than it was in df

[trim skiff]

thats also due to op nerfs though

[teal fossil]

slam got like a 60% buff overall or something high

what is your tooltip on slam vs ms

can you screenshot for me

[slow saddle]

218k ms 150 slam

issue with ms is again the HORRID baseline

[teal fossil]

thats actually much closer than i though

thought

[slow saddle]

but ms does have a bit of multipliers

but that is also the reason why battlelord is horrible

[trim skiff]

there

[teal fossil]

dont forget it no longer increases OP damage by a million

thats what carried it in DF

the reset part was just a bonus

[trim skiff]

bring that back, i could go 2 points in DE then

[rare kite]

"a bit" xD

[slow saddle]

i meant nonbuffed 🙂

[rare kite]

ahh

[trim skiff]

im still standing by my statement that BL should be baseline now that it doesn't increase OP damage so you maybe had a higher rage spender sometimes and would maybe offset doing 3 slams

it only feels terrible in st though, in aoe its totally different

[teal fossil]

either tact or bl can be baseline

but not both

[trim skiff]

yeah i agree with you on that

[teal fossil]

and i think tact has to be baseline because how long op cd is

moving tact out has too many repercussions

[trim skiff]

but where would you put BL then as a talent?

Because right now BL doesn't feel like its worthy being a capstone talent

[teal fossil]

the entire bottom left is not worth taking

bl is not really a capstone talent either

bloodletting is also at the same spot

no one thinks thats a capstone talent

[trim skiff]

When someone mentions capstone talents, they mostly refer to them as the last row, but I get what you're saying, its just in my community that people use the word wrong - bad habit

[teal fossil]

but nothing on that exact row is a capstone talent

sharpened blades is certainly not capstone

bloodletting isnt

juggernaut is debatable

[trim skiff]

ah i get what you're saying

[slow saddle]

fatality is also horrid

[teal fossil]

fatality as a concept is fine

its just VERY mistuned

thematically its fine

it fits in with the rest of that section

the fact that it doesnt work with crit mastery and aura buffs is a killer

the fact that its ppm is both an upside and downside

you arent too punished for downtime but it also makes MS reset talents weaker

[dapper dagger]

is critic and mastery good for arms on a weapon ?

[balmy kindle]

I just don't wanna do press slam, make it happen blizz

[dapper dagger]

I meant; mastery and crit for its weapon

[balmy kindle]

Better to use Sims, we kinda need haste

[teal fossil]

well you need item level

it doesnt really matter what stats it gives right now

[dapper dagger]

u mean versatility ?

[teal fossil]

the weapon will be replaced next week anyways

no he means haste

[dapper dagger]

oh ok

[teal fossil]

just take the highest item level

dont think too much

[dapper dagger]

k

[dapper dagger]

what is the ILV limit for now ?

590 ?

[steep osprey]

606 or something with a spark?

[gray elk]

can get 606 with the renown gear and the little crests that we get as well

[real flint]

There's a few people at 891, which is already pushing what's worth atm

A couple of them even have the warbound veteran polearm upgraded a bit

[cinder verge]

do i send demolish on cd or wait for 10 colossal might stacks?

[slow saddle]

u arent waiting for cm stacks, im guessing u are more waiting for CS 😄

did Wetstones get nerfed alot ? only 469 AP now ?

[smoky kayak]

yeah a few weeks ago

[slow saddle]

thats sad 😭

[smoky kayak]

Mana Oil appears to be very slightly better now

[slow saddle]

why cant blacksmithing have nice things

mana oil costs almost nothing to craft vs wetstones ^_^kek

[frosty basin]

how does slayer feel in dungeons?

[glossy sky]

Hello fellow warriors, is there any consensus yet, whether arms or fury will be the Raid and M+ spec for pushing?

*mythic raid

[boreal quartz]

Reap is good with cleave

Like really good

[boreal quartz]

A good raider will swap depending on boss

[glossy sky]

that is very right, but overall there is usually a consensus for start which one performs better. You are going to go swapping later in Mythic I guess, but what is the initial one?

[shadow ibex]

good name phil

[boreal quartz]

I would start prog on the spec with more stamina

[boreal quartz]

You too schrödinger's in for the kill

Once i figure out how to not die on a boss

Ill go for the spec that does more damage

/that does the job guild needs

[sacred zodiac]

i plan on stealing from the americans

[boreal quartz]

(and that)

[shadow ibex]

I'm American but we raid on the weekend

[fossil thistle]

Careful, some people will read that and stack stamina gems

[thick kelp]

Stamina gem to get the 0.15% crit from the meta gem

noted

[latent moss]

noted

[minor gust]

[fossil thistle]

[thick hamlet]

what's the enchants/gems to go for for a m+ player

aoe etc

[wanton sierra]

NOTED!!!

[astral elm]

If i want to play without Skullsplitter in a Single target raiding build, what would you guys sudgest i pick instead? 🙂

[deft igloo]

Hey guys , bis race for +++Mkeys push for warrior ?

[astral elm]

Dwarf is always a safe bet, Stone form for dispells

[slow saddle]

what ever does the most dmg

or night elf as it gives both the transmog buff dmg and u can escape loads of mechanics with invis

[mild sierra]

isnt dwarf racial still just the best, you dont care about dmg in m+. you care about the utility

[minor gust]

Dwarf mostly but nelf can be argued aswell

But overall race min maxing is not really that important

[rare kite]

dwarf and night elf always for m+(unless they keep dratchyr cc when that comes out)

[plucky fern]

fury spec

[mortal rivet]

Pretty sure maghar is bis. If you don’t look good while crushing a dungeon, are you even playing the game?

[boreal quartz]

Maghar does not look good 🗣️

[nova marsh]

Kul tirans look good in plate and better then an orc

Fight me

[wanton sierra]

dwarf best race... go dwarf, stoneform way too op

[tribal vessel]

Kultirans are actually orcs

[wanton sierra]

and we got some sweet frost resistance xD

[gilded stump]

looking good
Orcs

[nova marsh]

Lies

[thick meteor]

Zandalari ftw

You are just majestic and full of strengh

And you have something to do with dinos and we all know that's what wow is about

[wanton sierra]

if horde is tauren and if ally is dwarf

[minor gust]

Shoeless and short races are an ez no

[dusty sorrel]

is it possible to macro stormbolt into bladestorm just to save button presses?

[woven wasp]

no

[dusty sorrel]

unfortunate.

[minor gust]

Just don't stormbolt

[dusty sorrel]

but think of how much dps you lose

lol

[minor gust]

Oh no .001% lost forever

[dusty sorrel]

I know!

[gilded stump]

Sounds racist

[minor gust]

Sounds right

[gilded stump]

Where were you between 1933-1945 and have you ever or are currently living in Argentina?

[dusty sorrel]

there are no weak auras yet for tracking marked for execution right? I tried looking but you'd know better

[minor gust]

Nice try Fed boy

[mortal rivet]

Better orc than diaper gnomes!

Horde has too many shoeless races

[minor gust]

May God have mercy on anyones soul who swapped to diaper gnome becuase their numerically the best

[mortal rivet]

Nah, may god smite those who make poor decisions

[dire hinge]

if you have one for Executioner's Precision you can copy it and change the spell it tracks via the Trigger tab

[minor gust]

learning the strat of duplicating something similar and changing the trigger/Load will carry your WA knowledge hard

[stoic siren]

anyone have a decent colossus arms sim?

[boreal quartz]

Apl is public now u can sim it now

[hard walrus]

as slayer in dungeons do you really take blunt intruments over warbreaker like the guide suggests ?

[minor gust]

For M+ yeah

[boreal quartz]

Im HC go wb

[nova marsh]

Hc it dosent matter

[severe palm]

For M+ it's Slayer or colossus

[tacit crystal]

play what you find fun 🙂

[minor gust]

unless tuning happens its slayer

[woeful ore]

Anyone here has the Azj-Kahet 2H Weapon that you upgraded to 606?

[kind glade]

So in M+, when you have everything up as a Slayer. do you use both SS and BS on pull? or rotate them?

If you rotate them, what do you use first?

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715 theres guides in here that can give you the priority list but you wanna use BS first

[nova marsh]

So I looked at the max roll guide for arms out of curiosity

Is it really worth to dbts with intervene on the tank? Like is this an actual strat

[minor gust]

yes that is a thing you can do

[nova marsh]

That really dosent sound worth it

[thick kelp]

Dont do it

[nova marsh]

Espically with slayer having a crapton of free gcds

[minor gust]

I remember Critcake liked doing it in SL thats about it

[severe palm]

The chargeweave seems affordable from that guide

[nova marsh]

Charge weaving seems like a better idea tbh

[severe palm]

Stormbolt while bs too

[minor gust]

[severe palm]

But idk if taking the talent worth

[nova marsh]

Charge weaving as a dps increase is okay

But tbh I feel like arms only needs it in exe with slayer

Blowing your main defensive as a dps increase is kinda hilarious thou

[dire hinge]

colossus execute is where it's needed most, since Slayer has more frequent SD procs

[minor gust]

ewww use as a dps increase is that what the maxroll guide says. I thought you were just talking about giving tank parry so they can live

[dire hinge]

Parry Haste is cursed yeah

[minor gust]

nah fuck that

do that shit on farm I guess but ew

[shadow ibex]

Yea that's weird to put in a guide

[severe palm]

Is ignore pain better in raid and fueled by violence better in M+?

[nova marsh]

Kind of

Ip is liked by some because it's more proactive in all content

[minor gust]

Fueled for passive healing IP for living one shots

[nova marsh]

Yep

[severe palm]

So for experienced players IP , they know when damage Is coming

[nova marsh]

I mean really you should always know when damage is coming

You probally have a boss mod

[severe palm]

Sorry im kinda the bad noob player , always waiting for heals

[fresh tide]

They're both pretty good tbh

[severe palm]

Only used the big defensive when dBm make the big horn sounds

[minor gust]

if you are a noob def always fueled

[fresh tide]

for the most part you will know if you need ignore pain

Most if not all raid mechanics won't kill you through spell reflect or spell reflect + DStance

[minor gust]

shits pretty op

[mortal rivet]

That reminds me, I really need to bind defensive stance

[manic egret]

why simcraft thinks haste is better than crit but all guides go for crit?

[austere solar]

hi guys any idea of the value on darkmoon trinkets ?

[woven wasp]

a few thousand gold i heard

[austere solar]

sorry I mean which one is the best ?

[dire hinge]

They're two different things (guides vs "your current gear")
Arms likes both in different amounts based on how much you currently have (and raid buffs, etc).
If sims are saying you need more haste, it's because your currently equipped gear is lacking haste, so it's recommending you go that route

[woven wasp]

personally wouldnt bother

youll be marginally better right now then theyll be immediately replaced come season

[austere solar]

yup true

[dire hinge]

seconded. You can farm a trinket from dungeons, or just buy whichever one sounds cool to you, but it wont matter much

[woven wasp]

idk what it takes to make the embellishment but you can buy ascendance to hold onto it incase prices go up

[mortal rivet]

Right now you can buy the darkmoon trinkets (by card) for less than 1000g. If your gear is lacking, buying ascendance and symbiosis are a great way to boost your ilvl to run heroics

[tacit crystal]

few hundred on illidan 🙂

even for 150 if you buy individual cards

[tender glen]

Thoughts on whether it would be better to spend weathered crests on getting a few specific pieces (mh weapon, chest, legs, or tinkets) to 593, or just raising every piece to like 584, before s1?

[limber river]

I wouldn’t over think ilvl, everything will be replaced tomorrow and then replaced again when the season starts

[tender glen]

Why, what's tomorrow? m0?

[tacit crystal]

maybe just weapon since it would be biggest increase in damage rest is eh

[limber river]

Yeh

[tacit crystal]

?

[tender glen]

o, well huh

[woven wasp]

earthen

[dire hinge]

a week from now*
(we have nothing coming tomorrow)

[tacit crystal]

i thought it was another week of 0 content

[woven wasp]

m0 is in another week with season

[mortal rivet]

Bountiful keys before spamming m0 too

[tender glen]

someone mentioned its best to hold on to the keys until s1 starts

[dire hinge]

Weathered crests are pretty low priority, spend them however you want to tbh.
There is some minmaxing you can optionally do if you want to get a few crafted pieces created, but it's a gold sink (materials wise) currently, so whether or not that additional gold-cost is worth having a few hours of extra power is ultimately up to you

[mortal rivet]

Yeah but when you unlock lvl 8 delves, then you can use your bountiful and should make m0 even easier

[tender glen]

Yeah, I don't plan on aiming towards anything crafted until s1 starts, waste of sparks imo

[limber river]

Oh wow, I had bad intel. That is disappointing

[dire hinge]

you can make non-spark crafted items 👍

[mortal rivet]

M0 should be to fill out what’s missing from raid/bountiful imo

And praying for sac-brood part 2

[gaunt owl]

m0 is just a stepping stone

but normal raid ilvl is higher

[tender glen]

but what's craftable above like 558 that doesn't require a spark? Most of what I've seen still takes sparks, its why I've held off on crafting myself my engineering helm

sitting at 580 rn, only option I see is just spending the weathered crests

sucks they limited it to 180 pre-season

[woven wasp]

enchanted weathered crest on blue items is up to 590

[tender glen]

huh, didn't know that

[thick kelp]

WOAH WE HAVE 90 NEW LFR CRESTS COMING TOMORROW

dont downplay 3 590 items like that

[dire hinge]

haha

[hexed parrot]

Best Horde racials for arms warri right now are?

[dire hinge]

you can put embelishments on em too, if you like lighting gold on fire

[dire hinge]

races/racials are all pretty close to one another. Bloodmallet will likely have updated sims at some point, but i wouldn't sweat it too much. Dwarf gets a lot of functionality out of its bleed removal, orc/troll always safe, human usually catches up by the end of the expansion with stats. Pick your favorite, or based on transmog, unless you really really need a bleed removal (then go dwarf for that)

[thick kelp]

Its not lighting gold on fire if guild pays for it

[hexed parrot]

Thx, mate 👍

[tacit crystal]

give me your gold then 🙂

[thick kelp]

Sure

[tacit crystal]

shit +9k

i can turn that in 20 maybe

prob more with time

alloy stocks are down

[dire hinge]

my body is a machine that turns saved gold into spent gold

[frigid lava]

Farmed out.... both of my sweaty plate wearing toons.

What am I gonna do with my life for another week of no season

[gilded stump]

Farm out more characters

[frigid lava]

2 is max... I probably end up playing one warrior anyways.

[gilded stump]

Defeatist attitude

[frigid lava]

I feel defeated

[gilded stump]

Good

[copper swan]

wasn't sure what race to do this expansion, i think i'm gonna try earthen

[toxic patrol]

[

[cinder remnant]

I would like to thank to everyone contributing to this discord as it is by far the best class discord I've seen and it only got better. I'm typing it here, because I look at arms things the most, but it is true overall. 🙂

[nova marsh]

Were warriors

We zug together

[sharp wyvern]

only fury is zug tho

[frigid lava]

fury better?

[minor gust]

better at smelling my farts yeah

[sharp wyvern]

i hope silken court will be arms heaven

so i can convince my raid lead that i need to gear arms

[woven wasp]

you will gear fury and swap for that one boss

as it is written

[sharp wyvern]

but the stats

https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

[halcyon breach]

Have not seen a full pull of Silken Court yet (assuming there are any) but it did not look like an Arms fight necessarily

All vids I've seen so far, they been pretty far apart and not consistently stacked

[sharp wyvern]

no cleave ?

[sharp wyvern]

lets hope the rwf will cook up some strat

[thick kelp]

Mythic mechanic forces them to be apart

[minor gust]

they giving boomies a chance

[marble steppe]

anyone has a weakaura package like this one for warr?
https://www.twitch.tv/springricev2/clip/GrossCoyPuddingMau5-WrQ0zuqlsy252XlT

asking for a friend

[thick kelp]

Probably banezi

he is big weeb

[minor gust]

best I can give you is this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OzIYTb5V4Y

[shadow ibex]

full send arms every fight

[minor gust]

we got 2 warriors on the team I play arms other guy fury. We got the live comparison for heroic week

[shadow ibex]

we had 2 warriors idk where the other is i havent seen him around

im used to being the only one

[tacit crystal]

revert tacticians might

er battlelord

[cobalt sinew]

what is arms missing to make it really flow

[shadow ibex]

bottom row talents worth taking

[dire hinge]

better gear will help a bit, feels very slow atm bc we're limited to poor gear

[regal stump]

whats the best usage of collateral damange and merciless bonegrinder? do we try to use them together or use ss/cs together then cleave etc

[boreal quartz]

cds on cd

[minor gust]

no overthinky

press buttons

[slow saddle]

this is why its so cringe with CS and bonegrinder

better not take bonegrinder 😉

[gaunt owl]

we ethical gamers

we have so much AoE now anyway

why take more

Reap the Storm does so much for Slayer

Cleave is pumped every 3rd GCD anyway

and we make stuff bleed

[shadow ibex]

storm of swords rework waiting room

[next flame]

Imagine SoS cleave 😮

[shadow ibex]

sos just needs to do something

30% chance for a free cleave that only costs 20 rage anyway and you have globals between it to gen rage

[gaunt owl]

its doing something

just not what we need right now

[shadow ibex]

idk someone just filled in a tooltip and didnt think for more than 5 minutes

[shadow ibex]

a free cleave is near nothing

[gaunt owl]

they could have left it be a meatier Cleave or WW

i know its useless

[shadow ibex]

the only way to take advantage of that is if you also had EB and they both procd but thats pretty eh

[gaunt owl]

in AoE for Slayer we gonna spam Cleave so much already

[shadow ibex]

right now you get a free cast but have globals between

so ur gonna gen the rage necessary anyway

[gaunt owl]

and we have to get those Marked for Execute too

[shadow ibex]

im playing colossus man fuck that

[gaunt owl]

our AoE gonna have real choice to do for Slayer

[sage badge]

Arms owns

[shadow ibex]

colossus too

have to think tactically with demo

https://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/5fecb5fa60488f2e470efd74/2x.gif

[gaunt owl]

Send it tactically always

[shadow ibex]

mob moved

[gaunt owl]

you gonna reload it so fast too

its just insane

[shadow ibex]

yea cleave exe and MS all giving stacks

doing heroics i regularly get 10 stacks back with like 28+ seconds left on the cooldown and its only 45

but also have sweeping ravager still giving stacks so thats a bug

[gaunt owl]

and heroic everything melt 😄

[shadow ibex]

yea exactly

imagine if more than 3 cleave casts per pack

[gaunt owl]

thats a feature now

not a bug anymore

[shadow ibex]

it only hits once but gives stacks as if it hit two targets

idk that seems buggish

ill take it

one more button to press in colossus aoe opener

[cursive sun]

its actually crazy how i havent played a single dungeon of arms so far

how are u guys liking arms so far

[shadow ibex]

nothing lives long enough to have fun on anything right now imo

[gaunt owl]

til its not m+, we gonna turbo blast everything

[shadow ibex]

most things die to demolish

[sage badge]

Yeah.. I just spam chain lightning

[rose maple]

arms owns

[gilded stump]

A spot on the bench

[gaunt owl]

its probably the first tier in a long time that Arms and Fury are so tied

[chilly gyro]

hey im new to arms warrior and i have a question to the hero talents. Wich one is stronger? Slayer sounds to me a bit stronger than colossus and more fun to play. so wich one is actually better to play with?

[gaunt owl]

so it will come down to preference or if your raid need a dmg profile

[chilly gyro]

so its actually equal what hero talent im playing?

[shadow ibex]

its gonna come down to fight design

[minor gust]

pretty much

[minor gust]

as tuning currently stands your gona play Slayer at all times

[chilly gyro]

good to know ty guys, i looked at many guides online but i think coming here was the better decission ^-^

[regal stump]

thanks for the bonegrinder discussion, really annoying as it stands indeed. hope we see some small reworks

[full brook]

Any reason as to why the arms gearing guide is not recommending us to craft a 2h wep as the fury guide is?

[full brook]

Thanks

[mystic python]

Also the darkmoon stuff could get nerfed soon.

They probably don't intend the darkmoon weapons to become everyone's BIS.

[quasi torrent]

L

[tepid robin]

sorry guys, what is better in single target to apply rend? Rend or TC?

[minor gust]

read the tooltips which one has bigger number

[dire hinge]

It’s negligible if you are in a dungeon to just use TClap if you have it already talented

[tepid robin]

okay thank you!

[maiden moat]

how good is this trinket for arms ?
Raidbots say its upgrade against the Shard

[minor gust]

I wouldn't trust non season 1 trinkets being correctly implemented into sims for obvious reasons but I could be wrong.

[halcyon breach]

It's not unusual that a damage trinket with a strength component will outsim a secondary stat trinket, when we have basically no gear

[nova marsh]

So

How many flightstones we ballin

[dire hinge]

valorstones

(2k atm, nothing to spend them on, and a few bags unused to help re-hit the cap when i do spend)

[nova marsh]

Ballin

[fresh tide]

I have like 1k, I could do more heroics but I have all the gear I want so it's kind of eh

[nova marsh]

Na screw that

put some netflix on and farm dirt

[wary mauve]

Does it seem to anyone else that Colossus hero talents are for pvp, whereas Slayer is for pve?

That's what it seems like

[fresh tide]

I think they're both pretty reasonable in all content

[wary mauve]

Like the rest of the Demolish talent outside of its damage is all about crowd control, damage reduction, etc.

Like you would cast Demolish as a counter to their burst or something

[fresh tide]

Slayer made more sense before they deliberately gutted the pvp utlity portions

[wary mauve]

maybe they shifted its focus to pve

[fresh tide]

They just didn't want it to be overpowered I think

[wary mauve]

oh ok

[fresh tide]

this node used to be a lot better

[wary mauve]

oh damn lol

[fresh tide]

Mountain thane has the most niche/pvp stuff imo, but that also had nerfs in the beta

[frigid lava]

Jesus christ... I need M+

[limber river]

Same

[distant sandal]

i saw that all the guides recommend activating avatar after thunderous roar. Why is that? Doesnt avatar buff roar as well?

[halcyon breach]

It's dynamic

Only thing you don't buff is the initial hit, which isn't that big anyway

But you can do it both before and after, on ST its no big deal. In AoE however, since the hit is uncapped, you're better off just activating it before roar to buff the initial hit
(Nvm the hit got soft capped to 8 at some point during Beta, forgot about it, the above still applies)

[distant sandal]

ah thanks

[grand idol]

Anyone have any luck getting that polearm? or is it just too random to farm?

[teal fossil]

Not worth unless you want to pad ilevel

[quasi torrent]

warrior uncapped in 2024

[halcyon breach]

I want to be hardcapped to 5 targets in both specs

This way we can be very powerful in small target counts

[quasi torrent]

mhh

this worked out well in the past

[halcyon breach]

Exactly, lets replicate that success

[fallen hearth]

nah they needa cap arms at 1 target

[astral yarrow]

Pile on

[halcyon breach]

@astral yarrow pile on

[astral yarrow]

I almost got Crit with a pile on joke yesterday

Or was it Sunday

[heavy temple]

anyone know any good warriors to follow just to improve on , currently following Bizen and Critcakes

[astral yarrow]

Just watch revvez or wallife play 18 warriors on the 18th

Wallife1 on twitch and I think revvez is just that

[heavy temple]

ty

[halcyon breach]

One day they'll scrap torments, and just give us Pile On

Then Pile On wont have to be a joke anymore

[astral yarrow]

Imagine OF but resetting like arms CS did in legion and then tie a strength buff to it

Peak design

[thick kelp]

Imagine CS resetting like CS did in legion and then tie a strength buff to it

[astral yarrow]

Just give me warbreaker on leap again

Goomba stomping CS was giga

[thick kelp]

Practicing muscle memory by already using leap for dps

[astral yarrow]

[balmy kindle]

Anyone remembers focused rage mortal strike

[rose maple]

i feel like every class has at elast 1 spec that yearns for their legion iteration

[astral yarrow]

Chefs kiss

[rose maple]

i played MM hunter in 7.0 and no ranged spec has ever hit the same since

[rare kite]

true. would alt warlock if legion afflock was here

[balmy kindle]

It was good until they decided to make it an aoe spec

[rose maple]

yeah the BFA rework of MM was weak as fuck, i really enjoyed the vulnerable mechanic and replacing that with significantly more focus on aimed shot didn't hit the same

[astral yarrow]

The wind arrows thingy was cool

[balmy kindle]

Oh man I get PTSD of progging ghunn on MM , everyone was like just play BM smh

[soft dew]

I still enjoy Arms, never played it in Legion so I can't compare, heard that it was perfect. I do like that it's more tactical than in DF, but I don't enjoy pressing slam :x

[manic stirrup]

every spec needs filler

[daring heron]

pile on dn

[slow saddle]

filler yes, but button u spam 3 times in a row and tactician never proccing thats bad

when OP is allready a "filler" // buffer

[manic stirrup]

i agree it’s flawed rn

[daring heron]

at least slam is actually used rn

unlike most of df

[manic stirrup]

it was weird talenting into it in the class tree bc its theoretically dps and using it like maybe 3 times a fight

you could safely remove it entirely

[regal stump]

I dont get some reworks. Why did focused rage playstyle get reworked for example? Was it not liked at all?

[manic stirrup]

blizzard doesn’t really have off gcd damage buttons in the game

they changed arms ignore pain to no longer give damage

i think it’s only tank specs that have such abilities

[soft dew]

Heroic Strike was oGCD at some point right?

[astral yarrow]

Spamming hamstring and focused rage was pretty cringe lol

[vapid bay]

idk man but that was peak

[daring heron]

yeah focused rage was a bit controversial, people didnt like how it had no immediate effect

people also spammed it and ran out of rage which was incorrect

[astral yarrow]

The ToS build for last boss was pretty cool but a nerfed version of it

[daring heron]

people would convince themselves that macroing focused rage to overpower is correct

[soft dew]

Can't you macro everything and expect it to work???

[astral yarrow]

Who was the guy that tried to macro IP to OP in s2

[daring heron]

and yeah tos arms is prolly the best version of arms to bring back, i feel that was most universally liked

[winter heron]

Next you're gonna tell me I can't macro ignore pain to shield block.

[astral yarrow]

Just buff ravager enough to have it push out BS

[manic stirrup]

i miss spritti

[daring heron]

executie

[astral yarrow]

He’s still alive

On a steady diet of PoE, D4 and other arpgs I think

[daring heron]

he was an arms enjoyer so prolly for the best hes not gaming atm

[balmy kindle]

You ever played focused rage it's like fishing

[astral yarrow]

[median scroll]

PoE is not healthy ask @gray herald

[balmy kindle]

Also not being able macro focused rage for optimal gameplay is pain

[astral yarrow]

PoE is bis

[median scroll]

holy

[manic stirrup]

dn is bis

[rare kite]

poe 2 soon

[thick kelp]

Why are wow players so obsessed with macroing their abilites

[daring heron]

L take

[manic stirrup]

bc wow players are fatge

[astral yarrow]

I’d be playing that shit if I wasn’t expected to have 3 warriors ready for heroic week

[manic stirrup]

me too

[median scroll]

3 warriors ready 💀

[thick kelp]

theres like nothing to do tho

U just fly balls craft gear get dungeon trinkets

u are ready

[astral yarrow]

And I have time for 1, so I’m just banking on nothing mattering

[daring heron]

3 warriors is nothing tbh compared to what the rwf guys are doing

[astral yarrow]

Yeah it’s crazy

[manic stirrup]

i couldnt do 18 characters

idc if its my job

[balmy kindle]

Maybe so but I certainly don't miss the press focused rage gameplay

[thick kelp]

Method doing 20 characaters

[manic stirrup]

id rather work my regular job

[thick kelp]

[manic stirrup]

unless i was getting paid serious real money

id fucking lose it

[median scroll]

true and real

[astral yarrow]

Do weekly shit for coffee keys, grind rep, stay on top of discoveries 🤷‍♀️

[daring heron]

i think everyone's losing it either way

[astral yarrow]

Plenty to do with the little time I have

[manic stirrup]

i did 3 or 4 characters i don’t remember

[thick kelp]

Rep grind is fake past 6,6,6,7 for crests

[manic stirrup]

and even that was annoying

[thick kelp]

But yeah forgor coffer keyge

[daring heron]

nolife on alts, or struggle to find anything to do until season begins in a week

[astral yarrow]

Every level is closer to heroic enchanted crest

[thick kelp]

Reminds me I am missing this week on one chara

[astral yarrow]

Which might be a requirement for us

[thick kelp]

[daring heron]

cant believe we've got an entire week more of this

[thick kelp]

Gonna lose it ngl

[rare kite]

yeah.. i'm so bored man. might play some monster hunter or something

[manic stirrup]

good for me bc i still have 2 characters to great

gear

1 per week lol

[astral yarrow]

Same

[winter heron]

I grinded seisbarg out today. I neeeeeeed the season to start.

[manic stirrup]

aagaard are you playing or no

[median scroll]

time to collect mounts or do pet battles

[astral yarrow]

Huh

In doing 3 warriors

Still raiding in CyaThursday

[manic stirrup]

oo okay

[thick kelp]

Doing 3 warriors for method split helper obv

[manic stirrup]

we are also 4 days 4 hours per day

holy moly

[astral yarrow]

Gotta rake in that 300k lol

[median scroll]

[thick kelp]

Echo normal split rewards a scam once again

[visual fern]

And then get benched on RWF prog

[regal stump]

m0 should have opened tomorrow no contest. the wait has been so long this time

[visual fern]

[astral yarrow]

Surely we are 4 days

[visual fern]

For reasons that are not of your own fault

[median scroll]

y'all are fkin cooked

[astral yarrow]

Banking those raid days for 5 day weeks

[astral yarrow]

Right click better

[manic stirrup]

[astral yarrow]

Ah shit that isn’t true anymore

[visual fern]

[manic stirrup]

god this guild is gonna be so fun

gromnak guild infinite content

bless

[rare kite]

you're in gromnaks guild??

[daring heron]

wtf is it just 300k for split helping

[manic stirrup]

concept on illidan

[waxen elbow]

Hoooly

[thick kelp]

echo is normal 500k for 2x helppers per run and hc is 250k per helper

Imagine wasting normal lockout for a chance at 500k

[daring heron]

yikes

[thick kelp]

Atleast method offering guaranteed gold

[manic stirrup]

sepulcher splits were insane

[daring heron]

i'll just not do that

[thick kelp]

You get more from boosting normal week 2

[visual fern]

I'm afking in a friends raid for my second warrior week 1

[median scroll]

Normal Boosting

[daring heron]

i'll prolly do a bunch of key/raid boosting early on, it's usually good gold

[thick kelp]

Bro ppl pay crazy amount for normal raid gear

[visual fern]

Especially with crest system

📈

[balmy kindle]

3rd party boosting services be booming

[flat willow]

focused rage fuck good

post legion arms fuck not good

[daring heron]

based

[flat willow]

I'll never forgive the gcd change

[visual fern]

Nyalotha arms weirdly good

[median scroll]

bc 100000% haste

[visual fern]

And lucid

Without both 📉

[median scroll]

early nyalotha was wild random infinite stars procs

[visual fern]

I like nyalotha so much because all your damage was predictable

You only really had cape proc

As arms

Give me that

[gray herald]

poe is healthy

[median scroll]

[gray herald]

i didnt log in since tww

[halcyon breach]

@visual fern have you ever considered not laughing at yourself..

[gray herald]

cold turkey

[visual fern]

[balmy kindle]

Why the love for focused rage smh

[halcyon breach]

you changed..

[manic stirrup]

what about as havoc

[median scroll]

bc you burnt out from playing 30hs in the first two days

[manic stirrup]

did havoc use infinite stats

stars

idk

[halcyon breach]

They did

It was so fun

Very fun

Do 1 damage or a billion

[visual fern]

As arms

[manic stirrup]

very predictivle

[gray herald]

no

[manic stirrup]

i chose to ignore that

[visual fern]

[spark mango]

just put demolish on anger managment already

fkn blizzard

[midnight mural]

Make demolish frontal cone not requiring a target ❤️

[spark mango]

15 second ritual before actuially dpsing is actually depressing

[daring heron]

plz and ty

[boreal quartz]

Let me move in demolish

[empty sluice]

Make it like searing axe from plunderstorm

[daring heron]

id be ok with that too cause thats faster

[midnight mural]

They could make the animation a bit more "epic"

[astral yarrow]

Remove it and copy paste legion arms

[daring heron]

id be more than ok with that

[midnight mural]

The feeling u get when you press Thunder Clap as MT is just... OOF ... Demolish doesnt feel like that

[astral yarrow]

you can play Slayer or Legion arms

[daring heron]

and ye the animation is kinda balls

[quartz gate]

all the melee animations but the scythe were just other abilities shoved together 😦

[vapid bay]

what are the chances of a rework like in early DF

[hazy saddle]

0

[boreal quartz]

Am i a hater for thinking clap on fury looks shit?

[hazy saddle]

Blizz hates arms

[daring heron]

like it's 2 strikes that kinda look like rampage hits, then a weak ass condemn with no special effects and the sound is underwhelming

[median scroll]

work 👉

[midnight mural]

i dno how it looks.... I have only played prot and some arms

[daring heron]

i like fury clap

[midnight mural]

did they change it or is it same as always?

[median scroll]

I like you

[daring heron]

[spark mango]

honestly doesnt arms feel bad rn? are you guys ok with this pregame ritual before dpsing? charge, clap, roar, ravager, sweeping strike into Cs into skull spliiter then cleave then demolish?

[astral yarrow]

Belf tclap is just a slight step back and bending of the knees lol

[daring heron]

f nelf clap animation is nice

[daring heron]

it's awful

[astral yarrow]

fnelf

[daring heron]

fnelf

[spark mango]

and god forbid if one of those steps are missed

rip dps

[boreal quartz]

On human and on forc it looks worse on fury than for prot

Idk man

[spark mango]

and slayer is like 9 seconds of bladestorm it feels like

[hazy saddle]

Just play Nelf

[spark mango]

i wish juggernaut was a thing with this huge sudden death proc rate

[median scroll]

just unsub

[astral yarrow]

the real endgame

[midnight mural]

I want to charge and then pump. I dont like having to press so many buttons BEFORE my cd's

[hazy saddle]

Even better

[astral yarrow]

roar being better used before any modifiers is hella weird to me

but rest im ok with

[boreal quartz]

Rava roar tc before sweep cs on 2t is so rancid

[spark mango]

blizzard meetings are like: guys arms is so boring just being op into ms> lets have them spam fkn slam

such a good spell slam is

[midnight mural]

yep

[spark mango]

and btw fuck blizzard for making heroic this easy so we cant even try out our specs for 2 weeks straight

i barely get to get cd reduction on my bladestorm using execute

[errant flame]

anyone here have the befoulers syringe?

[spark mango]

my days are just spamming raging blow for b ig crushing blow

[plush belfry]

me and my mate swear they said heroic was going to be scaled like m0 in previous

but i feel like i made that up

[boreal quartz]

INTO FUCKING MS SKS CLEAVE

EW

[spark mango]

Ok so if m0 is old M+10 heroic is suppsed to be old m+ +6 or sth? what a joke

adds die in my bladestorm

fkn boring

its the same for another 7 days

[boreal quartz]

Bs feels aids in hc

Reap only

[spark mango]

i feel bad for people who bought epic for 3 days

every 1 day of this shit feels like prison

5 man dummy target is the most fun content of expansion so far

[astral yarrow]

Im happy i did. Wouldn't have had time to get stuff done otherwise really

Im not happy about the fact that it exists though

early access that is

[daring heron]

felt pretty epic spending twice as much money

[frigid lava]

The game is fucking boring right now

[astral yarrow]

I just spent gold i wouldnt spend anyway

[frigid lava]

one more week of this

Jack shit to do

[spark mango]

i think still the worst turn off is heroic being only content and super easy, cant even practice my class

i want to play thane fury, demolish to learn timings etc

[astral yarrow]

Take the time to do all the collection stuff right now when everyone else is doing it 🤷‍♀️

[boreal quartz]

I am hitting the target dummy like zaelia

[astral yarrow]

💀

[frigid lava]

I think I do more dps as arms... just a little more but feels clunky. Not a fan of skullS

[thick kelp]

bruv

[spark mango]

dpsing as arms feels like having sex in your 60s

[frigid lava]

nursing home porn

[median scroll]

[astral yarrow]

bro is 70

[spark mango]

you take viagra first into heart meds into wearing condom then applying lube and waiting for viagra to kick in before first hit

where as fury seems like your first time in your 20s

just explode into the pack

[astral yarrow]

uh huh

[median scroll]

average skyhold comment

[astral yarrow]

fury

[spark mango]

and you can explode 40 seconds later

[boreal quartz]

How does one die to threat in your metaphor

[spark mango]

losing erection

[hazy saddle]

Girl pregnant

Clearly

[thick kelp]

What does the release button do in this metaphor

[hazy saddle]

Buying milk

[spark mango]

rubbing it to getting it back up again

my metaphor is flawless analogy of arms

[boreal quartz]

Abortion

[thick kelp]

See this is what I was thinking

[boreal quartz]

I got another Q

@spark mango not getting into lfg cuz ur dps warrior

[hazy saddle]

Small D

[spark mango]

its my analogy

cat

[hazy saddle]

No

[spark mango]

Being loyal in today's dating scene

[astral yarrow]

https://imgur.com/2pkvABb

[hazy saddle]

Ret gameplay?

[woven wasp]

no thats hunter

[astral yarrow]

I only recognize Nathria first boss

[woven wasp]

oh shit it is shriekwing i thought it was sludgefist this whole time

[daring heron]

looks like monke is playing bm

[plush belfry]

please tell me im wrong in saying nothing new is out tomorrow and m+ etc isn't out until the 17th

[woven wasp]

earthen are out tomorrow

[spark mango]

you're not wrong

[woven wasp]

and yeah mythic plus is in 2 weeks

[daring heron]

we have another full week of this

[plush belfry]

oh no

I thought at least delves and m0 were out

[woven wasp]

well

[astral yarrow]

next week

[woven wasp]

t3 delves are out 🙂

m0 is another week

[frigid lava]

Anyone plays ret?

[astral yarrow]

delves are riveting content

[woven wasp]

i did in df as an alt

[daring heron]

man they put so much effort into delves and it's a snoozefest

has no soul no nothing

at least for me it does nothing

[thick kelp]

Think of the mole people crit

[frigid lava]

My warrior does about 550k ST... my ret does about 400k ST

[plush belfry]

yeah it's very pointless. just a long quest in my eyes

[woven wasp]

holding out hope for zek'vir

[plush belfry]

but like, it's something

[thick kelp]

you elitist jerk

[woven wasp]

i think thats what hes called

[frigid lava]

I must be doing something wrong... or I dunno

or is warrior superior in ST

[astral yarrow]

ret is pretty bad

think our ret main is at least making sure his warrior alt is ready to go

[frigid lava]

ret aoe seems pretty good but weak ST

[plush belfry]

is the content cadence normally like this

[astral yarrow]

no

its usually a lot faster and no "heroic week"

or at least that was the case in Dragonflight

i miss heroic week though, so im sad they said its only for this tier

[thick kelp]

They already said no plan for HC week in s2

Sadge

[woven wasp]

at the start of expansions yeah

[astral yarrow]

DF was only a week of this no? Then gated m+ and then everything releasaed

or am i misremembering this

[woven wasp]

2 weeks of rares, m0s and black dragon cloaks. then full s1

[astral yarrow]

we used to get gated m+ in previous expansions

but yeah 2 weeks and then full drop feels a lot better

[woven wasp]

yeah m+ was locked to hc week levels in previous expacs

[astral yarrow]

never forgetti RWF players rocking up to Xavius in equal ilvl gear first day

[daring heron]

hc week was good with m+

[woven wasp]

well apparently m0s will be as hard as 10s

[quartz gate]

does anyone believe that

[woven wasp]

i do not

[thick kelp]

and heroics were the new m0's

[rare kite]

blizzard told us so! so it must be true

[woven wasp]

well HCs will be going up 13ilvls so they should get a little harder

[quartz gate]

can't even tell the difference between a normal and a hc at the moment

[ornate jetty]

Heroics are the ones where the tank leaves after first boss. Only difference

[quartz gate]

i know him... hes me

[frigid lava]

I think I have every single gear a warrior can have.

BORED

[steep osprey]

Just level up Earthen

[balmy kindle]

If your primary objective is to get fast groups, there's plenty of alternative choices

[quartz gate]

delves are the new m0

going to drop 16 keys and get 16 pairs of wrists

[daring heron]

werent we 606 ilvl doing +10s and +12s on beta for a while before they increased our ilvl to 616

[woven wasp]

idk you think i do beta m+

💀

[daring heron]

ig not

but p sure i remember that right

so m0 should be another cakewalk

[thick kelp]

ye we weer 606

but the +12 affix was buged

[daring heron]

oh ye 12 affix activated on 13 iirc

[thick kelp]

it didnt make u take 20% increased damage

was the bug no?

[daring heron]

oh yeah that was another bug lmao

[thick kelp]

but 10's will be cakewalk

[daring heron]

for sure

[thick kelp]

Am I crazy to do 7x m0 worldtour

or just do trinket tour m0 x7

[modest marlin]

Eh, Dorki right now thinks title keys will be like 13-14s cause of scaling

[modest marlin]

They aren't. I think they may go up to 580 and thus adventurer 4/8 but it doesn't cross into veteran gear, that's m0 only.

[woven wasp]

okay they were originally 567

and theyll be 13 higher than that

happy?

[thick kelp]

13-14 title keys kek

[modest marlin]

We never did 567 heroics though?

[thick kelp]

people r doing 13's in pug group on beta

[modest marlin]

I've mostly seen 30+ death wipe fests but we'll see.

[daring heron]

i havent played keys after they fixed the 12 affix but i did a 15nw with yoda and cryve

and 2 other dps i dont know and it was relatively easy

[modest marlin]

His big argument is that the jump to 12+ affix is gonna be enough that most people won't even bother.

[thick kelp]

Thats the same argument that people wont bother to do keys above max vault reward level

but we still had people doing random 13s 14s etc

[daring heron]

the jump per key level feels bad though i must say

like if everyone gets stuck on same key level then that's pretty boring

i dont think itll be like that but it's been moving that direction a while now

[thick kelp]

20k players stuck on doing +13 and 20people who did a +14

big system

[flat willow]

We like 5M mortal strikes , aside from that I'm a firm believer that rage without an off gcd dump is just scuffed energy, right now if blizzard gave us more rage we wouldn't even know what to do with it outside of execute phase. The best example I have for that is 5.4 fury where you'd use heroic strike to not overcap rage but would build up to have as much of it as possible for your c smash windows

war within arms barely has any rage management

ofc if people don't like focused rage because it has no "direct damage" they could always bring back the holy

[gaunt owl]

No and fuck off with off gcd dmg ability, best regards.

[flat willow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-thats-like-your-opinion-man-gif-15076479

[finite mantle]

off gcd or channel - which way western man

[gaunt owl]

Dude i had a fucking stroke writing that one

[finite mantle]

[gaunt owl]

Having IP in DF s2 being used offensively was bad enough and a clutch to our rage spending

[thick kelp]

ayo

[gaunt owl]

Rage is kinda ok for both spec

Just Slayer swim more in it with all the extra SD proc

And we dont wanna inflate the APM of an already fast Arms

There is barely any real diff with Furry

[finite mantle]

Nah I’ve done enough heroics fury must be eliminated

[minor gust]

Arms ain't ever gonna slow down again just add an OGCD ability like focused rage back

[flat willow]

no one likes slow arms

there's always a guy to tell you they do, but they are lying

[finite mantle]

I don’t think perma overcap is cool but dry sucks too

[thick kelp]

yappin to yap

[finite mantle]

love yappin tho

[astral yarrow]

[ebon ridge]

Thought you quit @finite mantle

[minor gust]

They killed warlords torment for arms to still struggle with spending rage

[flat willow]

i do like yapping ngl

[finite mantle]

eu gaming as a casual now

[astral yarrow]

Maid will be in CyaThursday by end of tier

[finite mantle]

prob gonna have na sub too to play casual with wife

nah no raid for me at most pugging heroic

cba schedules

[gaunt owl]

They dont enjoy Arms then

[thick kelp]

1 ToS clear on private server

[flat willow]

which one

[astral yarrow]

doctors orders

[flat willow]

cataclysm arms wasn't slow, mop arms wasn't slow, legion arms wasn't slow, the one patch people liked bfa arms was when it had 500% haste

wod arms was slow

everyone hated it

[daring heron]

slow arms aint it

neither is slow fury btw

[minor gust]

Give focused rage give it now

[daring heron]

dont think FR would fit in current arms

[flat willow]

it wouldn't

but current arms needs a rework

[daring heron]

scrap current arms

[minor gust]

Prob not but the rework arms deserves would fix it

[astral yarrow]

say it

[thick kelp]

Scrap Colossus and replace it wth legion arms

[astral yarrow]

say the legion thing

[daring heron]

the 5 remaining arms mains will be fine, just scrap it and yeah

use legion as baseline

[astral yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dropped-this-king-you-dropped-this-queen-you-dropped-this-you-dropped-this-king-meme-you-dropped-this-meme-gif-25206668

[thick kelp]

[boreal quartz]

Honestly

[minor gust]

Instead of demolish it's tactician now resets CS and the bottom talent is shattered defenses and the shitty talent that shares a spot with AM is changed to be something not dog shit

[boreal quartz]

Who came up with the slow tactical arms idea

Cuz its never the case

[woven wasp]

john blizzard

[flat willow]

whoever was in charge of arms in wod

and decided to remove every ability

[woven wasp]

cs ms rend exe ww pagchomp

[flat willow]

well it wasn't very tactical since you had no spell

but ever since that day people think you can't have big hits if your gameplay isn't filled with dead gcd every 5 seconds

[boreal quartz]

Only idiots think that

[flat willow]

yes

warrior players

[boreal quartz]

Some guy tried to argue arms was slow in DF

When ur GCD capped the entire expansion

[woven wasp]

me when 40% haste

[astral yarrow]

take me back to not pressing OP when it lights up

[minor gust]

The buff up an ability a bunch of times to do big dam is also shit as long as parry still exists

[boreal quartz]

Me when 50% haste

[woven wasp]

real

[flat willow]

take me back to pure dopamine in my body every time cs lights up

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-22052184

[daring heron]

tactically pressing 5 gcds of cooldowns to setup

[flat willow]

tactical demolish parry

[minor gust]

Parry incoming

[flat willow]

tactical delaying your demolish and losing dps because every mob has an aoe on their feet in m+

[minor gust]

I just realized the other day that last boss in dawnbreaker can parry and you have to fight in front of it

[plucky fern]

peak blizzard design

[minor gust]

We love texture

[flat willow]

I think that's how they got the " tactical and slow " arms players

pog precise attack

[daring heron]

he's a raid boss so he's got to have that extra raid texture

[flat willow]

whatever that means

[minor gust]

Yeah I was hitting him and I saw oh he's a ?? Oh no, followed by an immediate parry and I instantly wanted to leave

[gaunt owl]

Thats the Adhd talking

[daring heron]

yes

[flat willow]

slow arms doesn't exist

[gaunt owl]

Legion with FR was slow

Only speed up during tos

[daring heron]

it was still fast apm wise

[flat willow]

was it? I don't have the numbers but I'm pretty sure the apms were far from what you'd call " slow "

there were slow phases, I guess

but using focused rage arms as your argument against off gcd feels like you are losing

[astral yarrow]

someone with wcl premium can check lol

[woven wasp]

fr was off gcd but it was all you spammed between ms + slam if you had the rage to spare

[daring heron]

and iirc haste was like 20%+ because there was a gcd breakpoint somewhere around there

like fitting another gcd within battle cry

think that was it

[gaunt owl]

You were sitting on your ass to wait for rage and only used MS with tacticien proc or when stacked FR too

[daring heron]

nah FR in nighthold was great

FR was a rage dump, and if you ran out of rage, you did so because you overused FR

[minor gust]

I wonder which spec Blizz thinks is in the worst state and needs the first .5 rework

[flat willow]

well considering how much the chickens are crying

I'm betting on balance druid

[gaunt owl]

Who played Arms in nighthold?

[daring heron]

i did

[plucky fern]

obviously mage

all specs

[daring heron]

my all time favourite iteration of arms was nighthold arms

[minor gust]

Real

[astral yarrow]

DoS was peak gameplay

as in Draught of Souls, not De Other Side

[flat willow]

it was pretty fun seeing people cry at the trinket doing all your damage

[visual fern]

So precise, if the mob moves 2 feet

You miss

[flat willow]

[daring heron]

yeah it was huge but also the opportunity cost was big too