arms

[gloomy current]

and read like ZERO shit regarding this xpac

i bought it the day of

i might have just bought like 17 cloaks im not sure with this ah

[quasi torrent]

if there's no yellow order confirmation in your chat

u bought fuck all

[gloomy current]

what is the 590 crafted gear

[smoky kayak]

blue stuff done via work orders

it's like trading someone mats to make an item, except done through an AH-like interface that avoids the potential for anyone to ninja your stuff

[gloomy current]

what mats do i need to provide, that might be a daunting task getting it from ah

[smoky kayak]

honestly at this point I'd suggest going to youtube and looking up... everything it sounds like you have a LOT to catch up on

retail wow has streamlined and modernized a ton of things though, so it's all pretty painless once you have a grasp on the systems

[gilded stump]

Probably gonna cost a lot of money

[gloomy current]

oh i dont care i just buy tokens

[gilded stump]

[smoky kayak]

the rare stuff is super cheap (relative to someone who has been playing and has a decent war chest anyway)

the epic crafted stuff that people will wanna go for in a couple weeks are the expensive ones

[smoky kayak]

time is money, friend

[gloomy current]

yesir

when i play i wanna play not frm gold

[gilded stump]

I know I contemplated doing it myself for the 5th warband bank

[gloomy current]

people gie you shit but how many hours i gotta grind to get the gold vs working 15 extra minutes irl

[quasi torrent]

me when i can do 14 m+ boosts or sit down with a cup and a sign at my trainstation for 30min

[gilded stump]

Honestly I don't mind I just want the token to be worth more like 500k or something

[smoky kayak]

Yeah... I mean there are certainly areas where swiping becomes problematic in a game, but I actually tend to agree (at least to a point)

I mean how is it any different than ordering delivery as opposed to going out to get dinner yourself?

you're paying for the convenience of saving time

[gloomy current]

100% any game thats stuck behind a paywall for progression can eat a dick

[smoky kayak]

and something I think people tend to learn more as they get older and actually have disposable income is that the convenience is often worth a whole lot more

well paywalled progression is bad, so is high-level RMT... it's a thin line for sure

[dire hinge]

safer than buying it through sketch means too

[ebon garden]

please make ravager mortal strike cast count on demolish stack !!

[gilded stump]

Sure thing bruh

woosh

Done

👍

[ebon garden]

it is ?

[gilded stump]

Yeah I just made it

[ebon garden]

haaa

okay

[smoky kayak]

it does, and in fact always has

[dire hinge]

🪄 skibidi rizz, and so it is

the red boxes indicate any time the automatic-MS will be sent out.
Note how MS is never actually cast, but demo stacks go up

maybe that's why it doesn't sweep any more, rip

[gilded stump]

Make sure to be near someone to actually cast the Ms on

If you're standing out of reach you won't cast it

We're warriors not mages

[daring heron]

p sure he's alive

i hope so at least i like him

[smoky kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/khadgar-wow-world-of-warcraft-transformation-crow-gif-15806525652353129606

[woven wasp]

gonna come back as khadgar the white after his short stay on ka'resh, bringing ethereal allied races with him

[gilded stump]

He survives and becomes a dungeon boss in midnight

[flat willow]

yeah no way khadgar is actually dead, if he died it would have been something else than throwing a Kamehameha and going oom

we are talking about khadgar here, not vol'jin

damn vol'jin's death sucked

[gilded stump]

Troll players live reaction to their race becoming a joke

[flat willow]

my favorite part was right after he got stabbed, blizzard going " but wait, someone actually important is dying, lets watch that instead "

[gilded stump]

My live reaction when they killed Varian

Blizzard systemically removing all good warriors from the lore

[steep osprey]

I want to see Archim say skibidi rizz

[flat willow]

all the woyers are dead

and yet baine still lives

I don't know if the good ones go first but the garbage ones definitely go last

[copper swan]

time has come for Gallywix

[serene cairn]

how far behind is colossus in m+ and raid? Like throwing if you're playing it behind or just a bit? I was thinking about trying to stack crit for colossus

[nova marsh]

It's about 5% behind overall

You're not trolling. In addition, keep in mind s1 is likely going to come with tuning

[gilded stump]

Very unlikely but not impossible

[serene cairn]

I just like how it plays more. I know i'm in the minority though

[nova marsh]

If not the season itself then probally week 2

[nova marsh]

Dude same, I can't stand slayer and really like collusus

[flat willow]

They need to give demolish the ret paladin treatment

[nova marsh]

*which is why it's CRIMMINAL that collusus dosen't have spare points to run Blord and EB

[flat willow]

After casting colossus smash, cs becomes demolish for 10 seconds, fixing the cdr problem and the fact some people complain about having too many buttons

you can hire me now, blizzord

also remove that damn self root

Or give the self root back to fist of fury, so monks can suffer with us

[nova marsh]

I genuinely just think Demolish feels fine as is 🤷

[flat willow]

I think demolish is garbo

[nova marsh]

The issue is more so arms OVERALL got too many buttons

espically for aoe because in previous seasons you weren't always running cleave, bs/ravager, and MAYBE even Skullsplitter

[flat willow]

well if you want to remove buttons, I think the one that you just press every 30ish seconds without any interaction with the rest of the kit should go first

[nova marsh]

...Any interaction?

[flat willow]

yes, any interaction

[nova marsh]

Okay I guess stacks don't count as an interaction now

[serene cairn]

it's like how overpower and mortal strike have no interaction

[boreal quartz]

its only 1 more than fury

🤷‍♂️

[nova marsh]

That literally interacts directly with MS

[flat willow]

do they make you play differently? you don't even wait for CS to be back to upgrade demolish damage

[boreal quartz]

well MS is tuned too weak baseline for blord to be usable

as its lost the OP buff part

[nova marsh]

Does EVREYTHING need to be a complete playstyle change?

Like evrey hero tree has to completely revamp the rotation

[flat willow]

no, but if you want to remove " button bloat " those kind of abilities should go first

[nova marsh]

🤷

It still feels fine. Is slayer really any better?

[boreal quartz]

bs in st is crin

[flat willow]

it is fine

[nova marsh]

omega this

or hear me out

[flat willow]

don't know, I find BS and demolish to be pretty similar, all things considered

[shadow ibex]

X2 channel specs

[nova marsh]

Maybe we could unfuck the tree by moving the points blizzard split apart for literally no reason back together

[shadow ibex]

[nova marsh]

So maybe we could get the SLIGHTEST amount of build variety

And also my concern with button bloat is also if blizz wants to KEEP adding abilities to arms

Which they really, really, really shouldn't

[dire hinge]

give us even more buttons

[nova marsh]

Imagine arms being the spec that uses 3 action bars just for it's rotation

[dire hinge]

every auto should be a quicktime event

[shadow ibex]

The more I read storm of swords more pissed I become

Has no place in our tree in current iteration

[nova marsh]

Storm of swords got murdered for n oreason

[shadow ibex]

Would love for blizzard to justify it

Idc about it's previous version

Just to create the current version you have to be so out of touch

1/3rd of your casts give a free cast for an ability with a cool down and already super cheap

[boreal quartz]

It's more the lack of ravager

[shadow ibex]

You'll generate the rage to cast another with the OP you fill in between

[boreal quartz]

Than the variant of channel dogshit

[shadow ibex]

[waxen nimbus]

@flat willow 👋🏾

[flat willow]

Hahaha

The sod dream is joever

[dire hinge]

sod?

Storm of Dwarfs

[nova marsh]

Also

Archi was right

Collusus feels so much better with Blord and EB

Kinda rage starved at times but really good

[shadow ibex]

Colossus feeling better is a low bar

It's just a worse version of df arms

Only you demo

[nova marsh]

I'm just a heretic who...actually kind of liked DF arms

[shadow ibex]

No blord is awful

[waxen nimbus]

We don't talk about sod

[nova marsh]

This is absoutlely true, no Blord just feels bad\

But as said before, people who actually like collusus are in the minority lol

[flat willow]

When you think about it, Wake of ashes is just Warbreaker now, except instead of anger management to reduce the cd its Always 30 seconds, and with crusade you even got the haste of in for the kill

[lean bough]

is there a pvp channel

[nova marsh]

When you think about it ret is just arms with range

#pvp

[waxen nimbus]

It really is

[dire hinge]

yes it's called #pvp

[waxen nimbus]

Ret rotation is too idiot proof for me, 5 cp but all the spenders cost 2

Impossible to overcap

[flat willow]

No there's one that costs 5

[nova marsh]

If you play templar

which is behind irrc

[flat willow]

The one just after wake of ashes that will give you the combo points to use it anyway

And that you Always press right after wake of ashes

[waxen nimbus]

Oh I didn't even get to 70 before I got bored so I didn't even get to try the hero talents kekw

[nova marsh]

Yeah ret is pretty boring

[shadow ibex]

On the bright side

In 6-8 months we'll be able to move with demo

[raven ivy]

Its ahead

unofrtunately

Ret fucking BLOWS rn

[nova marsh]

I meant templar

[dire hinge]

can move now with it, just leap

[nova marsh]

The hero spec

[raven ivy]

yes

Templar is ahead of Herald

[nova marsh]

oh lol

Cool I liked it more

[raven ivy]

Sincerely: Someone who doomposts in paladin discord

[nimble yoke]

its really hard to tell if paladin is actually doing poorly in terms of dmg

or if paladin players are just being as they usually are

[raven ivy]

Oh no its actually just terrible

Its mid in AoE

Absolutely awful in ST

[nimble yoke]

good shit

but you say you doompost on the paladin discord

which makes you the least reliable type of person

[raven ivy]

But I guess that is what happens when Ret was literally busted all of Beta lmao

[shadow ibex]

I'd rather just press WASD

[nova marsh]

It still just

dosen't even feel that bad really

[raven ivy]

I like the playstyle, its just not rewarding in terms of damage

[nimble yoke]

colossus you mean? or ret?

[nova marsh]

Colo

Fuck ret

[nimble yoke]

not being able to move definitely feels bad

especially since mobs can jump or just walk out of the range and shit

[nova marsh]

Okay now THAT shit is the actual problem

[nimble yoke]

not being able to move while in melee is undeniably an issue lol

[nova marsh]

The just instant cancel cuz "oh target moved out of range" because your tank is a fucking dumbass

[nimble yoke]

i just wish they'd make colossus one big hit and either instant or let you move during the channel

and make demolish a cone

[nova marsh]

If they wonna keep the fantasy just make it a slow

For like 30-50

[nimble yoke]

nah the fantasy sucks

[nova marsh]

🤷

Like I said it feels fine until a tank is a dumbass

[nimble yoke]

that's cool that you see it that way

[nova marsh]

or your meele brain jumps LOL

[nimble yoke]

just for personal reasons i'd like if it was one big hit that combines all 3 of the others

[nova marsh]

And that's totally fair

[nimble yoke]

i mean im sure ppl wont like this but even if it was like the evoker empower kinda ability i think that'd be cool

[nova marsh]

NO

That's the line I draw empower a trash mechanic

[nimble yoke]

i think that'd be way better fantasy and it means you might have to cancel it early but better that and doing less dmg than fucking dying to ground swirly

empower is cool

dont see why its a bad mechanic

i mean maybe for melee it won't be fun but i don't see it being any less fun than current demolish

[nova marsh]

Empower is annoying

[nimble yoke]

why?

what makes it any more annoying than a regular cast/channel?

[nova marsh]

Because if your mouse slips oops no damage for you

[nimble yoke]

wdym mouse slips???

[nova marsh]

and I genuinely don't like the heavy attack style from action games in an mmo

It just dosen't feel naturally or good and completely shatters the flow of wow combat imo

[nimble yoke]

yea i entirely disagree, i think it's a great idea and a good example of things that should be adopted to make wow combat more modern

[nova marsh]

...more....modern?

[nimble yoke]

mhm

[nova marsh]

I don't think that's an actual problem wow has with it's combat

And imo you shouldn't be comparing tab target to action combat systems which is like...what most RPGs are

or turn based

[nimble yoke]

i mean i think that tab targeting is inherently old and...not modern

thats not to say that that's a terrible thing or that modern wow isn't vastly different from classic in terms of the combat

but i don't mind changes that add more interesting mechanics

[nova marsh]

I just don't find empower interesting at all

[nimble yoke]

i just don't see that it's a bad thing. it probably could be if the mechanics they add are actually stupid (in my opinion) but empower isn't

[nova marsh]

it's why I just can't stand evoker

Now...if they were to give more meele some kind of combo attacks like ret got

I'd be very down for that

[nimble yoke]

i even like the combo mechanics like those in ff14

[nova marsh]

14's combo mechs are okay even if they don'[t even feel like combos on...half the classes that have them

Because the timer to continue them is 30 seconds

[nimble yoke]

by combo attack do you mean the crusading strike or the other one w/e it migth be

[nova marsh]

yes crusading strikes

[nimble yoke]

cause to me that is super not interesting lol

but i guess we agree that some interesting mechanics would be good to implement, we just disagree on what mechanics are interesting lol

[nova marsh]

Basically yeah

[silent flame]

ive asked before but it was a bit ago
how difficult is the arms warrior aoe rota
reading it and it seems a bit confusing

[cobalt sinew]

why is sweeping strikes a gcd

[boreal quartz]

It's a half GCD at least

[teal fossil]

Which means there’s a haste breakpoint where that half gcd doesn’t change the amount of gcds you get in cs/avatar

[willow seal]

is the thunderclap/rend macro still useful in TWW?

[wintry scroll]

wtf is a thunderclap rend macro

[mortal rivet]

thunderclap is available, rend if not

the one in #dps-faq is great

[thick kelp]

If tclap talented it will tclap instead of rend, minor loss for button

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230008337517514772/1255253788365688832/761040892970139649.gif

[grand depot]

So when bladestorming theres a talent making it use mortal strike, should i use sweeping strikes prior?

[old urchin]

Not anymore. Fun was detected and unhinged no longer cleaves with sweeping strikes

[grand depot]

Ah okay i noticed it not actually increasing damage

Damn that woulda been hella strong in aoe with overpower and the other damage stacking talent for cleave lol

[safe comet]

Just tried arms for a dungeon. 4.1mil Demolish crit is really making me want to swap to Arms lol

[plucky fern]

just wait for your first demolish parry

arms is a rollercoaster of emotions

[dire hinge]

Yeah it’s perfectly fine to use. The gains of using Rend in a dungeon are negligible

[safe comet]

My main gripe is its way more button heavy than Fury, but I'm sure with practice and time I'd get used to it

[wanton sierra]

xD

[dire hinge]

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-tweaking-animatronic-tweaking-scary-robot-tweaking-meme-gif-5488640650850926689

when it doesnt

[safe comet]

I got knocked in the air while casting it and the final hit was above everyone's head

Near final boss in Stonevault

[wanton sierra]

omg

you can cast midair! try to jump and cast... it works!!

[steep osprey]

The world if Demolish always crit

[woven wasp]

fatality would like a word

[dire hinge]

Just don’t do it the other way around (it cancels)

Heroic Leap works though

[wanton sierra]

i mean, strafe jump and spam demolish, you start demo midair... nothing too much but nice

[marble steppe]

man i miss trinkets being meaningful, like back in WoD i think we had the biggest 5head design trinkets

looting one could change your whole spec

like the arcane crystal for casters, the one that stored damage for agi, the fel cleave and that other cool one for str

[minor gust]

COF

[marble steppe]

was that the guldan one?

that one was pog too

[minor gust]

Convergence of Fates from Ellisande

[marble steppe]

thats when i started playing warrior

aaa i remember that one

but the guldan one, font of night iirc

i just saw my guildies usnig it and i was like fuck i gotta play that class

[gilded stump]

Demolish Crits: Golden Age Arc of Berserk
Demolish gets Parried: Boat Arc of Berserk

[gaunt owl]

PTSD gameplay inducing

[minor gust]

thats why the suffering of Guts is part of the arms class fantasy

[marble steppe]

they could balance demolish as to have a lower crit changeor something different, like when you play OL rogue youre not relying on getting a 5 roll to bust

the moments you do youre happy, hwen you dont its wathever

the ups feel very good and the downs are wathever cause theyre 90% of the time

[minor kraken]

How much is the dmg difference between Colossus and Slayer Arms in both m+ and raid?

[smoky kayak]

mostly equal in M+, Slayer slightly ahead in raid

[minor kraken]

Thanks chief

[mortal rivet]

do you hold bladestorm for avatar or do you use it on cd when it pops up (due to anger management/unrelenting onslaught)

trying to figure out macro timing for skarmorak shard

[fallen dome]

Why is Fierce Followthrough talent worse than Opportunist for slayer hero talent?

[quasi torrent]

Cause rb pipes

Oh arms

gg

rotten

[fossil thistle]

IIRC someone had an updated SR weak aura for TWW dungeons?

[indigo smelt]

does arms unhinged cleave mortal strike?

with sweeping

[quasi torrent]

no

[indigo smelt]

ahh kk ty

[hollow sluice]

Someone just linked it in #protection

[smoky kayak]

its in #1237307732705415228

and linked guides

[cobalt sinew]

why does slayer feel more smooth than colossus

its not fair

[minor gust]

what not having Blord and EB does to a hero spec

[shadow ibex]

😦

[sacred zodiac]

what not having Blord and EB does to a hero spec

[minor gust]

[nimble yoke]

I assume blord and eb are just numerically worse

[shadow ibex]

no reason to take MS resets if you need to take talents so MS does dam

[wary raft]

is it worth to hold cs for the like 5-10s for 2nd sks

err 3rd sks

[fossil thistle]

ty and @hollow sluice ty also 🙂

[shadow ibex]

sim just sends it on CD

sks i mean

same w CS

[bright whale]

enjoying arms xD

[uncut pasture]

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230008337517514772/1255253788365688832/761040892970139649.gif

[torpid badge]

outside of dps

is arms actually fun to play atm?

[willow seal]

what is your definition of fun?

[shadow ibex]

same as it has been. MS op slam/exe depending on boss health

there's some fancy tech during execute with ravager

[grave swan]

you guys buing and upgrading renown gear?

[willow seal]

dont think you should spend the crest on them

[lament star]

Are heroics still daily lockouts? Like specifically queueing for one?

[shadow ibex]

no you can spam queue a specific dungeon back to back

[shadow ibex]

demo really needs to continue if target dies

[dusty dagger]

oi did they revert the sweeping strikes + unhinged change

cause i'm getting 2 stacks of colossal might during sweeping + bladestorm

consistenly

and it's not crits

[inner magnet]

does raidbot model Ara-Kara Sacbrood correctly? people seem crazy about that trinket, but for me raidbot has always put it near the bottom below several other trinkets I have (raidbot seems to think Quickwick Candlestick is the way to go for both aoe and single target.) I've been testing with all trinkets at level 580

this is with both the new raidbot model that was updated today and older ones

[minor gust]

non season 1 trinkets are not setup on the apl for obvious reasons

[shadow ibex]

seems bugged. only 1 strike but you gain x2 stacks

3 hits of unhinged in details, had 7 stacks

took off all my gear and 1 crit still

[dusty dagger]

well it's a nice bug

[tardy hare]

Could you be pressing mortal strike same global as ravager mortal strike making it look like you’re getting 2 stacks

[dusty dagger]

no because i noticed it using BS not Rav

was getting 6 stack way too consistently

[shadow ibex]

u can replicate it yourself theres a 2 target dummy in the city

crits give 3 stacks

x2 from sweeping and 1 extra

[dusty dagger]

so we can throw a ss + demo > rav > ms spam and get back to 10 stack real quick atm

god i wish mythic was out

[shadow ibex]

well ravager takes quite some time to tick and get those stacks

even with iftk mine takes like 9 seconds

sadly every other = not the first

[cerulean dock]

Man im really enjoying colossus

hope it pulls ahead of slayer

[minor gust]

hard pass

[dusty dagger]

you don't like the stacking 3 modifiers 10 times playstyle?

[minor gust]

stack up the big demolish

gets parried

proceed to kurt kobain

[cerulean dock]

yeah its a little goofy

but its new and interesting

[dusty dagger]

the button is new

[minor gust]

idk Slot machine did it crit or not gameplay is to painful.

I had an alt that used beacon it wasnt fun

[dusty dagger]

if i could keep the % bonus from colossus might stacks without losing them every time i press fun button i'd enjoy it more

[tardy hare]

Stack big demolish tank randomly moves target out of melee range

[dusty dagger]

by

a milimeter

[fringe moon]

anybody else getting these 2 trinkets simming highest?

[muted drift]

Is that ST or aoe?

[fringe moon]

ST

comparing them to my existing 580's and these sim higher for ST 5min

[muted drift]

How’s your sim so high? What ilvl are you?

[fringe moon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/55nsbkCHWzm8tH7DfmztJe

arms slayer

[muted drift]

Damn that shits like 100k higher then mine for 5ilvl

[fringe moon]

slayer sims way higher than colossus unfortunately

[lean geode]

Anyone else notice that the opportunist buff is crazy slow to update when you gain/lose it? It like a half second delay between the OP charge being gained/spent vs getting the buff

[dusty dagger]

cant spell colossus without loss

https://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/5fecb5fa60488f2e470efd74/2x.gif

[strange perch]

Choose Slayer. You can not say it without Slay and Aye!

All subclasses kneel before Slayer

[balmy kindle]

I like demolish but man slayer strike procs so often that demolish is just meh

Also when u get off that fat stacked execute

[strange perch]

Mythic and delves need mobility. Coololosssus has rooted ability.

Grim but true. If not for root, i would have picked colossus.

[balmy kindle]

Oh man tell me more not sure why demolish doesn't work when the mob moves 3 cm

[strange perch]

Small indie company

It is a miracle that wow still functions.

Warcraft 3 engine, spaghetti code, several overhauls, “technical debt”, etc

Not counting recent auction house fiasco

[shadow ibex]

Demolish should be affected by the crit increase talents like sharpened blades

[balmy kindle]

Wait it is not ?

[shadow ibex]

Sharpened blades increases MS execute and cleave

[uncut gazelle]

I'm 583 and simming 739k lol... I don't have enchants / gems in, but doubt it's the difference between 100k dps

So idk what you got goin on

[plush belfry]

oof collosus sims -alot- lower than slayer ST

[reef moss]

yeah im also 582 and simming 707k

ive got the entire "pre season bis" list from wowhead equip

seems low idk

[bright whale]

Slayer or Coloussus for leveling 71>80 ?

[reef moss]

i leveled col

[bright whale]

Ahhh easier ?

Currently 52 rn

[reef moss]

just feel like you dont feel the slayer strength while leveling

[nova marsh]

So for raid collusus is trolling

Guess I'm not raiding then lol

[balmy kindle]

I didn't know how much dmg slayer was juicing out until I turned on the meters

[nova marsh]

Yeah I know slayer is nuts

Makes me sad honestly I just don't like it

Idk slayer feels weird on arms but fury it's neat

[balmy kindle]

Arms usually equates to meaty big hits but slayer spec is kind of like fencing 🤣

[nova marsh]

Visually slayer is just really unappealing

Randomly flying everywhere and doing bladestorms

[balmy kindle]

The lack of VFX is a boon and bane imo, on one hand it's less visual clutter...

[nova marsh]

On the other it just looks plain stupid

But like I play warrior because of the limited visual clutter

Not even Thane which is the flashiest warrior tree is that visually busy

[balmy kindle]

Would agree they could had made more animations for reap and slayer strike that's for sure

Spinning is pretty lazy

[nova marsh]

Idk slayer just feels almost entirely passive

Espically in comparison to other classes

Like Templar or stormbringer

Ot even collusus or thane

[trim arrow]

mountain thane prot

since thunder lap glyph

[rose maple]

see i think slayer with all the extra strikes and spins looks really neat LOL

[trim arrow]

but yeah pretty underwhelming

[nova marsh]

To me it looks comical

You literally do the shadows trike animation with a fucking greatsword

[trim arrow]

Rogue might be only class with more visually boring hero trees.

[rose maple]

SV hunter that can't go dark ranger is pretty bad

the frost mage ones are pretty boring since they dont get sunfury

[trim arrow]

dh felscarred kind of just looks like your abilities temporarily become enhanced

[nova marsh]

Visually boring isn't bad, but visually boring and borderline completely passive kinda just isn't great

[trim arrow]

not visually just more damage

[flat willow]

What slayer needs is to summon mirror images that bladestorm with you so it can fully be a blademaster

[nova marsh]

Slayer just being a blademaster spec would've gone so fucking hard

[flat willow]

Aside from that, the best hero talents are the ones that are mostly passives

[nova marsh]

It's a genuine shame we didn't get that

[rose maple]

i think thematically its neat and leaning into the execute+bladestorm stuff for arms fits perfectly

its just there's not a ton to play around or to really feel like you're differentiated from other warriors

[balmy kindle]

I agree less button bloat for more numbers 🐒

[nova marsh]

I mean I'm a minority who likes collusus

Also like....slayer arms has so many free gcds

The rage management dosent even really exist

Maybe in exe? But like current content dosent have exe at all yet

[balmy kindle]

I do like colossus as well but demolish is argh

Like the idea is good but execution nay

[nova marsh]

I'm oddly fine with demolish

[rose maple]

I dig both honestly, it's just that gameplay wise demolish is just too clunky lol

that critcake vid of him malding at colossus was hard to watch

[nova marsh]

I think it could've been executed better, like a combo or just one hit it would've been better

[flat willow]

I think the problem is that you are looking at hero talents when its the base spec that needs fixing

[rose maple]

REAL AND TRUE

[nova marsh]

This too

[balmy kindle]

When the mob moves 1 cm and the last aoe hit doesn't work

[flat willow]

Ret rework for arms middle of the patch

[nova marsh]

Na arms needs a nuclear level rework

[trim arrow]

Could be worse I guess you could have a hero tree centered around flipping coins.

[rose maple]

oh absolutely it can be worse lol

[nova marsh]

To be fair

[balmy kindle]

Idk，kind of ok with arms since I have played other specs that do less dmg with more buttons

[nova marsh]

We could be totemic shaman

[nova marsh]

Enhances level of buttons is fuck nuts

[rose maple]

its actually bonkers how rogue and warrior are in the same game

[nova marsh]

Holy shit I thought arms button bloat was bad, I couldn't fit another ability if I TRIED

[trim arrow]

i dont know what's going on with totemic

just saw stormbringer is better in all content

for enhance

[nova marsh]

Stormbringer feels good

[flat willow]

Why would anyone want to play totemic

[nova marsh]

Totemic is the worst hero tree if trickster for rogue got reworked

It's such a jumbled up mess

Just looking at it makes me confused

[trim arrow]

fatebound is worse than trickster imo

boring and entirely passive

[nova marsh]

Just like slayer

[flat willow]

They made a 3rd hero spec because it was mandatory but I dont think anyone playing or at Blizzard wants totemic to be the way in any content

[nova marsh]

I mean also in part because stormbringer is just awesome

[balmy kindle]

I think rogues are justified to complain since fatebound does no numbers as well

[nova marsh]

Tempest feels really meaty

[nova marsh]

Fair

[trim arrow]

they're all kind of meh

[nova marsh]

Man hero trees are massive hits and misses

[trim arrow]

nowhere near like slayer vs thane gap for fury

[nova marsh]

Thane is genuinely depressing

[rose maple]

yeah thane is the biggest disappointment for sure

in terms of #s

[nova marsh]

Because it just looks so cool and you could tell blizz thought so too since it was the first one they showed

[trim arrow]

thane feels built for prot

[rose maple]

its literally WC3 muradin vibes lol

[nova marsh]

And then fury just can't use it cuz slayer is....I don't wonna say overtuned

But it's slayer

[rose maple]

in terms of like, the impact on performance slayer is really well designed imo

its robust and gives a solid boost to basically everything

[trim arrow]

Thane seems fine on prot though

[rose maple]

ST, cleave, big aoe

[trim arrow]

makes it fun i feel

[balmy kindle]

I would agree to your assessment too

[nova marsh]

In terms of actual gameplay slayer feels like plain white rice

[rose maple]

all hero talents just need to be that robust

[balmy kindle]

It makes execute hit like a fat dopamine spike

[nova marsh]

Reap is also kind of cool

[trim arrow]

only awkward thing about slayer on fury to me is the fact

fury execute doesnt hit for shit

[nova marsh]

It hasn't since legion lmao

[rose maple]

that's valid yeah

[trim arrow]

Yeah it was also a spender in legion

last i checked

Like it's funny when your tank spec does more with execute

than your dps

[rose maple]

prot executes kinda slam for no reason lol

[trim arrow]

unless you were doing leveling

for some reason non max level fury executes actually did numbers

[nova marsh]

A weird oddity of wows downscaling

Or upscaling

[trim arrow]

Thane feels more designed for prot, slayer just feels better on arms because execute is a substantial hit

[rose maple]

i'm shocked they didn't do some kind of "berserker" type thing for fury

focusing on like, making enrage giga, rbinging back legion stacking execute but capped and requiring you to keep enrage up or something

idk i dont play fury

[nova marsh]

Cuz it has to exist within other specs too

Honestly why hero talents feel really weird

It's so odd how one tree plays like crap on one spec but amazing on another

[trim arrow]

thematically it kind of works for dk

imo

[rose maple]

oh for DK its incredible

easily the best implementations in terms of like, the whole of theme+gameplay+performance i think

[trim arrow]

Although dk thematically all the specs kind of

follow similar principles

or overlap

[rose maple]

true

[trim arrow]

I feel over the years they try to make enhance like a melee ele

in terms of theme

[rose maple]

idk what they ever want to do with Enh

[nova marsh]

I think enhance as a spellblade is great tbh

In games I've always wanted that type of playstyle, and enhance kinda does it

[trim arrow]

I'm surprised dk didnt get put into the spot of a spellblade.

[nova marsh]

Oddly ret did

[rose maple]

1h frost would work well with it

[nova marsh]

And it just....dosent feel right

[trim arrow]

Like as a class they already have a tie to magic

with runeblades and antimagic

[nova marsh]

Frost even has some abilities for it

Like howling blast

[trim arrow]

I guess less necromancy for unholy due to pet AI being stupid

[nova marsh]

I like pet classes hell my next alt is gonna be a demolock

But pet ai in all games is trashhhh

[flat willow]

Idk I feel like enh fills the spellblade niche perfectly

bonus point that elves can't be shamans, it makes me very happy

frost being the direct damage dk vs rot unholy is pretty good as a concept

[plush belfry]

bit late to this but i think my only prob with collosus beyond #s is you've already gotta be more concious of where you are due to cleave

to perform as much aoe. demo times that + being aware of modifiers + mob hp + pull

whereas fury is WW up? yes, send

[untold pewter]

Well same for slayer, no need to play Fury to just send

Slayer slaps

[plush belfry]

yeah true just meant cleave + demo's a bit too much

[white anvil]

it stinks that fury and arms have such different stat prios

arms giga outsims fury for me and i was curious - fury just avoids crit as much as possible while arms maxs it

guess ill need some extra gear

[minor gust]

realistically all you need is different rings and neck and you will be more than fine

[teal fossil]

We really min maxing secondary stats on week 2 of the expac

[teal fossil]

Fury also doesn’t avoid crit

It’s more that mastery is just much better

[zenith warren]

always

[teal fossil]

And haste is still pretty good

[rare kite]

not only that, people are asking what we're crafting as well

[teal fossil]

We aren’t avoiding crit like with am

I’m bringing back 40/40/10/10

[minor gust]

was more refering to the rest of the expansion

who cares about right now

[swift crown]

39/42/8/11

[teal fossil]

Yeah I’m talking about that guy

[swift crown]

Need to add some semi-random deviation

So it looks like it's not made up

[flat willow]

🧠

[quasi torrent]

30301010

actually

[bright whale]

Finally 70

Now to get to 71 and where fun begins

[brittle fiber]

Is arms doing more ST than Fury in Sims?

maxroll seems to say so but i can't find any definite info on this discord

[fresh spire]

they are basically neck and neck on raw st

arms is ahead barely

[boreal quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1042069396195135488/20221115_133028.gif

[tiny rampart]

😂

[steep osprey]

lmao

paladin? susge

[frigid lava]

Yea it's my alt

nothing to do on my warrior :0

[abstract vale]

we love 40/40/10/10

[shadow ibex]

Stack speed so can move during demo

[cinder verge]

how come colossus doesnt take 45s TR?

[swift crown]

Shikanokonokonokokoshitantan actually

[sacred zodiac]

i can quit and you will be the main warrior

[quasi torrent]

what are u on about

maybe come across the river and get ice cream instead?

[leaden vine]

Am i spamming tclap off cd in m+ or pressing it just to apply rend/dw

[halcyon breach]

It only applies Rend, and you only press it to spread and refresh Rend

[slow saddle]

Last 1

[halcyon breach]

Actually I don't remember if Slam is better than TC now as filler

After all the funny TWW changes

[shadow ibex]

As col with sks i lend toward tc cuz sks runs rend down big

And maybe get a new application if pull big enough

[quasi torrent]

yellow...

[halcyon breach]

sry..

don't care about Arms as much anymore..

[quasi torrent]

good

die arms die

[halcyon breach]

It's not in the APL to ever use TC on ST, so presumably it's not worth, but don't think it's a major difference anyway

[gaunt owl]

man those yellow guy

be slacking

[sacred zodiac]

is it in the apl to respond to your friends dms in a timely manner?

[halcyon breach]

I have responded, yet you haven't!!

[smoky kayak]

everything (except MS) costs the same amount of rage now, and Slam beats TC, so there's no reason to use both

[halcyon breach]

Yeah I presumed as much

My Arms knowledge outdated evidently

[lethal acorn]

I prefer Colossus Arms over Slayer, Slayer feels like a rogue/warrior hybrid while Demolish feels like an Arms Arms spec, if that makes sense

[still fox]

we play blunt instruments in dungeons? not warbreaker?

[lethal acorn]

Hopefully Colossus Arms gets tuned better for single target/raid

[lethal acorn]

Yeah for the In for the Kill buff duration to be longer

[still fox]

is this not much aoe lose?

[lethal acorn]

No, because the haste makes up for it

We have enough AoE in both hero trees

[still fox]

kk i must try 😄

[still fox]

what play you more? slayer or. colossus? for dungeons

[lethal acorn]

I like Colossus

[shadow ibex]

colossus more fun because cleave number bigger

[lethal acorn]

I don't like how Slayer plays, slayers strike looks like a rogue animation

I run arterial bleed, even in dungeons because I think Colossus needs more boss/st damage

[shadow ibex]

things just die too fast in heroics atm

[leaden vine]

So in the case cleave and op are on cd what do i press in an aoe scenario other than tc

Just yolo slam?

I guess i should prob ask instead if i should be pressing cleave off cd regardless of overpower stacks

Or waiting for 2

[halcyon breach]

If you're in an AoE scenario, and you have nothing else to press, then you just press TC yes

And you don't much care about the stacks you have, no, but if you're curious in the future, just check the Wowhead guide as it'll have the priority laid out for you

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

rip mortal strike

[fickle niche]

Correction

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bfXq5byhhhT19czcMV5Lpe

[upper kindle]

damn

bro spend 250k gold

[gaunt owl]

not sure the point of crafting now

you gonna spam m+ when it comes out and make all your gear obsolete

[upper kindle]

craft ring and neck its fine tho

[gaunt owl]

those one yeah its better to max your dps early and you wont replace them easily if its not the right stats

[misty bridge]

MS over Slam

[median scroll]

frech.

[gilded stump]

I know i didnt got mentioned but youre welcome Archi

[hollow wave]

Why raid downtime of arms sims are like 15-20%? What the hell

[manic stirrup]

wdym

[gaunt owl]

99% wrong talent

[swift crown]

I was not even close to the river sorry

[quasi torrent]

this is so sad

[civic summit]

To whom it may concern, the Arms APL has lines like actions.slayer_st+=/bladestorm,if=debuff.colossus_smash.duration>=4 in it, where duration should probably be changed to remains

[limpid veldt]

I was just about to ask why I see only 1 bladestorm cast in my 5min quicksim

[woven wasp]

because youre not on latest

[limpid veldt]

ok mb

ty !!!!!!

[civic summit]

Was gonna say, I don't actually think that's related to what I posted. I'm getting multiple bladestorms when running simc locally on latest apl 👍

[gaunt owl]

always use latest

#updates-midnight message

[civic summit]

@smoky kayak looks like you merged the latest APL, so I'm giving you a heads up. Sorry for the ping.

[hollow wave]

I was refering to this sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jBoMxXzgpmcNYoQhwWqbnD/simc

crazy downtime

[limpid veldt]

I wasn't used to setting up latest, thanks for the tip !

[lethal acorn]

As Slayer sure, but not as Colossus!

[gaunt owl]

because you are using wrong APL for Colossus

and doing nightly on top of that

the sim is 5 days old

[austere river]

Im a bit worried on arms set bonus, it kinda encourages a playstyle that has everyother button overpower, and in alot of situations there are better buttons to be pressed than op :/

[smoky kayak]

so it's not actually wrong... or right

• debuff duration refers to the total duration of the debuff (as opposed to the current duration), unless it's not applied in which case it translates into !up

So although what its currently doing is better in terms of optimization (getting as many bladestorms as possible), in terms of readability, it probably could be remains with a different time check (or more likely just a blanket "use bladestorm check")

[smoky kayak]

not entirely; it encourages using Overpower frequently without wasting charges, but that's already pretty heavily encouraged anyway and most of those extra things that are higher priority than OP don't trigger Tactician either (Demolish, Bladestorm, CS, Roar, etc)

[civic summit]

Basically it will be wrong because debuff.colossus_smash.duration will always be either 0 if it's not active, or 13 whenever active (10 with Warbreaker). So when there's <4 seconds left of the debuff it won't work how I assume is intended. The current logic is basically the exact same as debuff.colossus_smash.up

[smoky kayak]

no that's not how duration checks

[austere river]

both slayer and colossus encourage max use of ms/cleave, in dungeon, EB feels kinda nice, when you can just weave ms and cleaves alot, now set bonus doesnt really support that style

[gaunt owl]

dont worry

set bonus is bad anyway 😄

[civic summit]

Are you sure about that? Then how does it work?

[nova marsh]

Eb feels great for collusus

[wanton sierra]

hey my spell reflect aura is from dragonflight, do we have the new version already?

[latent moss]

y

[wanton sierra]

sweet, ty

[gaunt owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dafBSq8yHFXfH5uLJ8yBUW Nice tier set btw

[smoky kayak]

Duration checks the total duration of the spell, for CS that's 10s - it doesn't care if it's actually active or not

• so if CS duration > 4 will always be true, because 10 is in fact > 4
  in other words, that line is translating to use bladestorm anytime 10 > 4, or simply use bs on cooldown

Remains specifically checks for the duration of the active spell; if it's not active, it equals 0

• so if CS remains >4 will only be true while CS is actually active
  in other words, that line would delay Bladestorm until your next CS, which would lose overall casts

So yes, it is poorly written, but it is actually doing what is optimal, which is maximizing Bladestorm casts

[civic summit]

From the wiki: duration is the initial duration, in seconds (not the remaining duration) of the current dot. Note that this returns 0 if the dot is not currently ticking.

[smoky kayak]

anywhoo I'll clean it up later

yes, and the initial duration of CS is 10s

and 10 is > 4

[civic summit]

But if CS is not active, 0 < 4

[smoky kayak]

yeah but CS isn't a DoT

[civic summit]

Right you are! Maybe dot.x.duration and debuff.x.duration acts differently. My bad in that case, sounds weird though.

[smoky kayak]

it is weird, which is why I said it is poorly written - a lot of things get mistakenly written as duration (cause it sounds logical)

[civic summit]

For sure!

[smoky kayak]

but just fwiw, its not actually lowering damage right now - outside of Execute it's best just to send Bladestorm rather than delay it for CS

I'll clean up the line in a bit so it reads better though

[thick kelp]

Team dentge living up to its name @calm vessel 🤝

[civic summit]

Yeah, it was just a minor nitpick I came across. Thank you very much for your work! 🙏

[smoky kayak]

yeah you're right that it does look weird, cause it is - it's just happy coincidence that what it's actually doing is optimal

[civic summit]

While I have you, I just noticed the usage of dot.ravager.remains. Just wanted to double check with you that SimC actually considers Ravager as a dot, while the game UI doesn't? I know you get a buff when Ravager is active though.

[gaunt owl]

this one is a weirder case

[thick kelp]

Shoulda seen the shit we tried before it was coded as a dot in simc

[civic summit]

I can only imagine, it's a very special thingey

[smoky kayak]

yes, Ravager is setup as a DoT

cause it ticks independently of what you're doing

as opposed to Bladestorm, which doesn't need to be because it's a faux channel

[civic summit]

Right, fair enough 👍

[smoky kayak]

it's actually always been setup as a DoT; I think you're thinking about coding it as a buff tracked on the player

which it wasn't before TWW

[thick kelp]

hmm prolly

I just rmbr we did some cursed shit with counting the CD of it with AM for the duration

to keep executing during execute

for unhinged

[boreal quartz]

rava allign tech thankfully didnt win

[fresh spire]

Dont MS if ravager CD>80

[smoky kayak]

Yeah that was during TWW, but Rav has been setup as a DoT since the start of DF

[fresh spire]

cursed but worked 😄

[smoky kayak]

it doesn't have a debuff associated with it in game, but it is for all intents and purposes a DoT effect

• deals damage independently
• hasted tick rate
• compressed duration

[tranquil tree]

Hello, which talent is better to take between Sudden Death and Skullsplitter?

[gaunt owl]

both

in what context and what build ?

we pretty much run those 2 talent in everybuild

[tranquil tree]

for m+ precisely

this is what im running atm

[smoky kayak]

SkS is good prio damage, but you can definitely drop it if you don't wanna play it

main thing for Slayer is that SD doesn't really add that much - you typically get all the procs you need out of Imminent Demise

but it's not bad to have - it ramps the Bladestorm buff a little faster, it gives you more EP/Jugg (if you're running it), and does decent damage in its own right

[brave laurel]

For slayer MT should you use bladestorm during sweeping strikes or keep them separate?

[smoky kayak]

not since they "fixed" unhinged, no - keep them separate

[tranquil tree]

@smoky kayak thank you

[nova marsh]

Is slayer Exe the same?

As like df exe

[steep wedge]

What are the best weps for arms atm before mythic or does it even matter?

[woven wasp]

does not matter

just get a weapon with ilvl

[steep wedge]

Ahh okay, max upgrade it too for extra stats?

[fossil thistle]

Just have all the weapons at 493 and sim them #200dungeonsran

[graceful axle]

593

[reef moss]

does this seem right for no buffs ?

also should we use our sparks to craft already or is it better to wait till after m+ for some reason?

[graceful axle]

wait for tuning, embellish crafted weapon

[reef moss]

just to clarify, you are saying wait for tuning on my sim or answering my question about crafting items

[slow saddle]

The idea of colossus is great, the misaligning cds base ms being to weak, being stuck standing still while mobs can move away and cancel out

[graceful axle]

need to set the sim to latest still afaik, not weekly. and yes about crafted

[reef moss]

that helped but its definetly not 879k like zugx sim from earlier today

that seems like a hell of a jump for 6 ilvls

unless im missing something

[graceful axle]

he has gems, enchants, and double embellish

[reef moss]

oh oops i feel silly, buffed sim alone im at 780k so that makes a little more sense

im still waiting to see if im MT for my raid group or not so im not crafting a piece untill then

[final sky]

arms completed

[hollow wave]

thank god its not that mandatory, such a boring skill

[minor gust]

So quiet and peaceful in here

[dire hinge]

[nova marsh]

So

can tae drop on anyone now lol

[stray mango]

Im using this trinket, the book one. Its a tank, but i think its working in me as a dps and is giving me 1877 crit strike chance.

I know its in portuguease, but you guys get the idea.

The trinket says that only works on tank, but the buff is there.

it is in my details

and also, my attacks get holy dmg

is this correct?

[nova marsh]

I honestly wouldn't worry about it that much

Also I'd confirm but I'm an english speaker sorry

[stray mango]

I mean, its a trinket for tanks that is giuing me 1877 dmg and holy dmg on attacks, if this trinket works in dps, that wouldnt change the bis trinkets?

1877 crit* sorry.

my crit in auto attacks are dealing more damage than my mortal strike.

[woven wasp]

it only drops for tanks

but it isnt only for tanks

[nova marsh]

You're also using an heirloom weapon my guy

[woven wasp]

its just nerfed by 30% if youre not a tank

[stray mango]

Swap to arms, and didnt haue a 2h weapon;

[nova marsh]

ye I'm just saying it kinda effects the results

[gilded stump]

I can change that

[minor gust]

Fury begone

[nova marsh]

Fury is mid

Also

I have been converted

Slayer is kinda neat

[misty basalt]

So you are over your lamentations about playing this xpac big drama

[nova marsh]

Eh

Arms is okay at least

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230008337517514772/1273720854383165601/dead-arms.gif

[misty basalt]

It’s always okay just have fun

[nova marsh]

I mean in terms of fun

Jesus christ I forgot how hard exe hits thou

Just got an almost 2m exe crit like wtf

[misty basalt]

I’m glad the juice is worth the squeeze we all just gaming glad you are havin fun

[spare goblet]

I'm sure arms will come around eventually

[minor gust]

13.3

when it gets its rework back to legion

[nova marsh]

Also when people said bs fucked I really underestimated it

Holy crap BS does a crapton with slayer

[misty basalt]

I’m a bs enjoyer I concur

[nova marsh]

That was my issue with DF BS

Was it did basically nothing and was more or less just a vechile for hurricane

[misty basalt]

Each season is different for every class but if you’re not engaged the game is a chore

[nova marsh]

This is true

I liked DF arms even if it was very flawed....TWW arms is also flawed but honestly at least we kind of have rage management

[summer elbow]

Cant decide which spec to play between arms and fury.. Which one is better? Thanks

[bright whale]

Finally finished arms to 80

[balmy kindle]

When you get Lucky with slayer procs and crit on a CS window

Instant dopamine rush

[nova marsh]

This is absoutlely true

Procs also feel oddly constant

Like a bit more then I'm used to with rng

[teal fossil]

Well considering you proc sd every 3 marks

Yeah

[nova marsh]

I mean more so that reap and marks feel okay

Even if I depise the animation of mark

[minor gust]

with good rng ive gotten max stacks of jugg on dummies in non exe

[fading latch]

Is there anywhere I can find a list of all relevant buffs for Arms/Fury and their respective ID's?

Plater tracks wayyyy too many that I don't care about

[smoky kayak]

#1237307555961634826

[smoky kayak]

I don't think anyone has put together such a list, no - probably better for you to look at the kit and figure out what is important for you to track anyway, you'll build more familiarity that way

[reef birch]

is there a WA that actually shows the amount of damage reflected?

[smoky kayak]

for spell reflect? You could probably make one, but I don't think there are any common ones, no

important to note that not all spells are actually reflected, a lot of them are just deflected instead (meaning they don't deal damage to you, but don't return to the sender either)

[reef birch]

i cribbed one in df that generated errors, but worked and was happy with it

got borked in tww tho

[fading latch]

So I've been doing that, but I cant seem to find the correct ID's for the buffs and debuffs I'm trying to track. When I type them into plater, its almsot never the actuall buff/debuff, rather the spell itself

[reef birch]

displaying dmg reflected to party really helps validate my existence

[smoky kayak]

best bet is just to look up the spell on WH and click through till you get the buff you're actually looking for

but I don't believe anyone has a (publicly common) list; might get lucky and someone can look through their own settings for what they use - perhaps drop a message in #ui-addons-manager

[fading latch]

Dang, ok. Thanks anyway

[reef moss]

so if im reading this correct, getting cloak or wrists first is the move?

[smoky kayak]

if you're reading it correctly, you'll see that there are a couple different options depending on how/what you want to play, and your best bet is not to craft anything yet

[reef moss]

well i did read the options for different play but im definitely missing the part about not crafting anything. unless thats the part about weapons needing 2 sparks

my brain might be a bit fried rn ngl

been questing for rep all day

[smoky kayak]

main reason you don't wanna craft anything right away is because Blizz is still making (largely unannounced) tuning changes and there's no content to optimize for at the moment; depending on what level you raid at and the expected difficulty of the content, a lot of people typically won't craft until Mythic raid week starts

[south kiln]

just to clarify, though, we shouldn't craft a weapon first?

like the embelishments are worth more

[nova marsh]

Embellishment weapon is good from what I've heard

But holding on for post tuning is good. Also for post initial raid/key farm

Hold out till myth track crests are available so u can just insta upgrade to max and don't have to waste gold recrafting shit

[glass elk]

hi guys so im the melee guy for our guild we just have fun and stuff not really serious but i want to know whats the spec for warrior this season we dont have a warrior so i might play it this season thnak you

[manic stirrup]

play which spec you want

arms and fury are close enough it doesnt matter

[rare monolith]

Not sure if this is the proper place to post this, but this "Treacherous Transmitter" trinket is absolutely cursed and needs some extra APL support if you want it to not be randomly proccing 1-15 seconds after youve used it. Something akin to
actions.trinkets+=/do_treacherous_transmitter_task,if=buff.avatar.up|fight_remains<=15
This makes it sim slightly higher than other trinkets, but its also horrid to play with so its 🤷‍♂️

[bright whale]

lucky on my arms

[tardy cypress]

Does the effect of it compensate for the missing mainstat?

[civic swift]

idk how good it is for arms, but a friend of mine has used it on a feral, it was 16+% of his dps in dungeons, apparantly it can proc from bleed tics

[polar stream]

You miss main stat

Surely that’s a troll item

[balmy kindle]

Holy shit did you like farm whole day

[bright whale]

yeah on my surv hunter and got 2 drops

[balmy kindle]

Sure no main stat but that passive looks busted and the huge haste seems good too

[trim skiff]

kinda pointless minmaxing gear when you're going to change them in 3 m+ runs

[balmy kindle]

Is this dropped from the dungeon mobs or zone ?

[dire hinge]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/item-level-593-to-604-veteran-track-polearm-appears-to-be-world-drop-from-azj-346364
multiple drop locations have been reported, all in the article

[bright whale]

mhmm

[random ridge]

Is that another 0.00001% drop rate item ?

[trim skiff]

no battlelord feelsbadman

less tactician procs also feel cringe af

[thick kelp]

ty noted

OP2 with opportunist buff, from slayer tree

which is basically always outside of opener

spend opportunist

the OP line with buff opportunist doesnt consider stack, its highest prio aslong as buff is up regardless of op stacks

only scenario you would MS if you have 2x MP

no thats still correct

OP2 is higher prio

but in apl its written like that for cleaner purps

[fierce bobcat]

We don't use warbreaker anymore?

[fierce bobcat]

Ok, switched to arms yesterday, seems good. Do you have talent tree for share? Or wowhead guide is good?

[thick kelp]

wowhead is good

[slow saddle]

yeye the need to buff tactitcian to compensate for the less rage we spend now 🙂

[trim skiff]

its so ridiculous how tactician was nerfed and the amount of rage spent by one ability was also nerfed, pressing slam 3 times feels so fucking amazing, oh wait

[slow saddle]

it was also MS

imho they could reset Tactician and they need to buff battlelord so we choose it. and tbh the only way to do that is to buff BASELINE ms

[trim skiff]

battlelord should buff ms damage whenever ms is reset by battlelord imo, but that might lead to fishing procs and might be unhealthy

[teal fossil]

nothing wrong with that

[slow saddle]

fishing procs is decnt gamepla

y

[teal fossil]

its also probably gonna be entirely passive

but i dont think people want ANOTHER MS modifier

[slow saddle]

just add a 10% dmg modifier on MS baseline when u take battlelord

😄

[trim skiff]

yeah that is why i said it might lead to an unhealthy gameplay, all i want is the MS-OP loop, i fucking hate dealing zero damage up until 35%

[teal fossil]

well the gameplay is healthy

[trim skiff]

of course it feels good to have your damage upped after 35%

[teal fossil]

battlelord would be entirely passive there

because you would immediately MS after battlelord procs anyways

[trim skiff]

but it feels bad to have no battlelord over 35%

slamming is terrible

[teal fossil]

theres always going to be a weakest filler

if its not slam its something else

[trim skiff]

Do not misunderstand me, I have nothing against slam. I hate having to slam 3 times in a row

[teal fossil]

sounds very tragic

MS and 3 slams all didnt reset

i would like them to tune up tact a little bit though

i wanna see how much a sim slams these days

on bis

[trim skiff]

i cant figure if you're being ironic with this

[teal fossil]

im not

if MS and 3 slams all didnt proc op

thats just very tragic

[trim skiff]

well, welcome to that honestly, when i switched talents it already felt terrible even though execute hits hard as hell

but the gameplay above 35% just feels insanely unsatisfying

especially as colossus, slayer is a bit better in terms of how you feel the pace

Slayers strike and the SD procs feel nice and smooth but having BL and 2 deft experience instead of one would be peak gameplay

imho battlelord as a talent itself should buff mortal strike baseline damage

so there would be two playable talents instead of one

[teal fossil]

thats too much power

imo

[trim skiff]

you could go for both execute pathing and mortal strike / op loop

i mean it would be that you'd go for either this or that

not both

wording is bad on my side

[slow saddle]

ye i mean slam doesnt feel horrible atm, but slamming the same button 3 times in a row feels bad( if said button isnt name SEXECUTE )

[trim skiff]

whoever thought going full execute without bl would be good needs to be slapped

or atleast 2 DE points

[slow saddle]

i would rly wish that collosus was fixxed

and buffed a lot

in st

[trim skiff]

i wish both specs would be as blizzard stated, they are not here to alter gameplay, but rather enhance it

[slow saddle]

i feel like slayer should be the M+ specc and collosus raid

slayer enhances tbh

[trim skiff]

no, i dont want that honestly

[slow saddle]

colossus just fucks up entire spec

slayer is kindda like SL arms . i like it

[trim skiff]

i mean im a slayer enjoyer, always loved bladestorm, but having no Battlelord feels insanely cringe

[sharp wyvern]

Colossus with the fucked CDs in raid ?

[trim skiff]

but i can only feel sorry for colossus because the MS nerf straight up fucked the talent

even though i just straight up hate it

thats the reason i said the gameplay should've been instead of well, not fundamentally, but changed

battlelord and tactician should be a baseline ability imo

[slow saddle]

ye but thats not a slayer issue

that is them nerfing MS by 20%

[trim skiff]

yeah, exactly

i dont even understand why did they do that

[slow saddle]

for collosus to work

they should make sure u played EB and all MS talents

that would make sense

and ofc make us able to move while using the fyralath spell

[trim skiff]

its 2024 and your movement as a melee gets restricted, insane

[slow saddle]

• out of range needs to fuck off // it should just be a cone ability

yeah melee movement restriction is INSANE in any hard content

another thing to take into account when playing

id say even great players will die to that ability, or play way to defensively on bigger packs

game is allready pretty hard in the higher content where this shit matters,

[trim skiff]

I watched Crit when he played the necrotic wake with colossus

it was fucking miserable

[slow saddle]

yeah, i played that key as wel

any place with jumpers

frontal mobs

and casters

[trim skiff]

so basically nearly even open world kekw

[slow saddle]

just feels hopeless

[trim skiff]

slayer atleast feels nice dynamically

[slow saddle]

yeah slayer feels good

only wet noodle MS feels bad

but thats a baseline MS issue

id rather they nerfed the modifiers to MS and buffed baseline

so we didnt get more dmg, but a bit more stable dmg

[trim skiff]

but as I said, I'd just straight up make BL and Tactician baseline, I'd nerf MP to maybe 10 or 15% so it is not critical if you used MS without any buffs. I'd keep EP though.

EP feels pretty good

MP has to either go or be nerfed in order to have MS buffed baseline

But I'm pretty sure there are no actual warrior devs after how they massacred the warrior tree and just how miserable they made colossus

atleast, since im gonna tank in m+ and only raid arms, prot on the other hand feels insanely good, so that offsets a bit for me

[slow saddle]

ye 100% the multiplier of op could be reduced and baseline MS buffed

would not change the rotation that much but make battlelord worth

[trim skiff]

yup, i'd love that, would be an absolute W i think for anyone playing arms

[slow saddle]

ye dont change EP buff its fine imho as its for execute phase

and makes SD worth pressing

then make juggernaut both last somewhat longer + stack way faster

also fr Warlords torment nerfs need to be reverted just dont give us 100% rage regen with CS give us like now 25% or 20%

[trim skiff]

nah imo jugg has to go

[slow saddle]

well ideally YES

SD procs needs to feel great