arms

[fossil rampart]

dude we're talking about colossus

[boreal quartz]

do you like juggernaut as its also a ramping thing

and AWFULLY slow rn

right up your alley no?

[sacred zodiac]

.

[hot goblet]

Jugg, faeline stomp and rune of power are my three favourite talents

[fossil rampart]

we're talking about colossus, why are you referring to execute?

[primal hornet]

Well I see some people take Sudden Doom some don't. Some take Skullsplitter some don't. Some also don't take Merc Bonegrinder some do. Some take Massacre some don't. Seems like people are moving a few points around here and there.

[sacred zodiac]

.

[boreal quartz]

I WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU THINK OF THE SPEC

if you like all the cringe shit ill stop arguing

[sacred zodiac]

combo of these 2 things ig, it has been a genuine while since you actually had to calc how much rage you have and will gain to be able to MS on cd

[boreal quartz]

and discard your opinion

[bright whale]

Okay liking arms > frost

[fossil rampart]

dude what

are you on about

[boreal quartz]

do you like juggernaut

[fossil rampart]

if i like demolish it's cringe?

[sacred zodiac]

answer his question

[boreal quartz]

let me move in demolish — Today at 14:15
do you like juggernaut

[fossil rampart]

juggernaut? sure it can be fine but you rarely ever build into it unless st

and slayer mainly

[boreal quartz]

do you think its okay gameplay

like in raid n shit

[hot goblet]

Yes

[fossil rampart]

i don't see a better option to go

so yes, sure

[boreal quartz]

if you were a warrior dev

would the ability stay

[misty bridge]

Delete Juggernaut

[fossil rampart]

actually though what is your purpose with these questions? so off topic

[boreal quartz]

if you and I disagree fundamentally on arms

[fossil rampart]

am i being trolled?

[boreal quartz]

i dont think we should argue

[fossil rampart]

you think it's a fast paced ability like fury where you send it all off cd?

fast paced spec*

excuse me

[boreal quartz]

correct

[fossil rampart]

then we shouldn't argue

[boreal quartz]

i think arms is any modern wow melee

[boreal quartz]

🤝

[fossil rampart]

and that in it of itself makes no sense to me. if fury and arms are exactly the same, what's the difference? what's the point of having 2 specs?

[boreal quartz]

they have differing damage profiles

[fossil rampart]

with fury, as it literally reads in the flavor text, you're a berserker who does insane damage through fast paced attacks

with arms, you literally ramp damage with colossus smash, overpower then pump into cleave or ms depending on the situation

[next flame]

Fury and arms were never the same that doesn't mean that pne of the specs should play at snail's pace

[boreal quartz]

ramp with cs?

[fossil rampart]

emphasize on that

[boreal quartz]

am i tripping

[fossil rampart]

30% more damage?

[boreal quartz]

thats not ramping????

[fossil rampart]

you build up to it is the point

which is ramping

[boreal quartz]

TOM would be that

but cs is not

[fossil rampart]

ss into avatar ravager, roar, cs, op, op into huge cleave

that isn't ramping and building up damage?

[boreal quartz]

collat would be

pressing cds is not

[fossil rampart]

what? pressing cds isn't ramping damage?

[boreal quartz]

its amping

not ramping

[fossil rampart]

explain the difference

[hot goblet]

Do damage now or do damage 15seconds later

[fossil rampart]

no sorry that's literally play fury or play arms

[boreal quartz]

ramping (i.e. venthyr moonkin/gargoyle dk/fatal mark) means you invest resource (here globals) to increase the damage you do later on

if i spend the entire fight building up the damage i do with fatal mark that is ramping it

[glad pebble]

might be wrong channel to ask, but whats looking like it's ahead in raids? Arms or fury?

[boreal quartz]

if i just increase the damage i do to a guy by 30% temporarily thats an amp imo

[boreal quartz]

unclear last boss is untested - they sim within 5% of eachother

[fossil rampart]

when it boils down to it, you still press abilities to make sure you do one huge ability

[glad pebble]

which is higher even still?

just curious

[fossil rampart]

amp or ramp, it's slower paced than fury. you don't just press everything off cd, you aim to mix and match the best available combo possible

to output the most damage

[boreal quartz]

think fury by a smidge

[hot goblet]

You do press a button every gcd, it’s not classic

[boreal quartz]

then you have been playing arms wrong

[fossil rampart]

why is fury more zug zug than arms? because you just literally press avatar into reck then fury into roar and spin

and everything ceases to exist

[hot goblet]

Homie

You can zug as arms too who ever told you different is a clown

[fossil rampart]

i never said you can't brother

"more zug zug"

meaning arms is also zug

but less than fury

[gaunt owl]

both spec are really zugzug

[hot goblet]

The only spec in the game that can spare globals is sub rogue

[valid flame]

Both bonk. Just different flavored zug zug

[boreal quartz]

or healers lmao

just afk

tab out swap playlist mid key

[hot goblet]

Healers are just here for the vibes innit

[boreal quartz]

i wonder if fire mage is zug when they press cds on cd and never have empty gcd

[fossil rampart]

there's a reason why people say arms is more button bloated than fury, because it is. more abilities that help you amp and ramp leading to that huge cleave or ms or demolish

[gritty pewter]

🍿

[valid flame]

Huge ms

[misty basalt]

how effective is fueled by violence over ignore pain? it's on the M+ build, does it get better than ignore pain once you get to X mobs?

[boreal quartz]

(going for max MS crit is not how u do max dam)

[boreal quartz]

preventing damage intake vs recovering lost hp

[quasi torrent]

they do different things

[boreal quartz]

so if u have content u need to be more than topped for IP

[quasi torrent]

tbf if you ask this question, just pick fbv

IP is currently not very good frankly

[boreal quartz]

andus is being slowed during my cd good design

[quasi torrent]

FbV just does thing

[quasi torrent]

huh

[misty basalt]

1 mil mitigated / trickle of life

[boreal quartz]

(do not scroll up)

[quasi torrent]

oh sweet summer child

IP is not a 1mil absorb

IP has a cap of 1mil

which requires 3 uses to get

[misty basalt]

was just curious since IP was in our "rotation" last season, and things like silken lining depend on HP thresholds

[gaunt owl]

if you count the number of abilities on both its a close match

[quasi torrent]

it was not in last ssn, last time u pressed it rotationally was s2 df

[boreal quartz]

it wasnt in the prio

but using defensives well is good

(yell at your healer)

[quasi torrent]

and after that fbv was usually a better thing to just keep you alive passively and keep ur BSL up

[misty basalt]

smells good thanks for the help

[quasi torrent]

if you need IP for something to actually live youll probably notice

[quasi torrent]

oh that

i mean demolish is practically a root unless u got movespeed (like the charge thing from slayer) up

so its even worse

oh wait

demolish and slayer

im fucking cooked man

cya im going to bed (its 2pm, i got up 7h ago)

[boreal quartz]

guna

[gaunt owl]

[quasi torrent]

shut up arms player

[gaunt owl]

man those evoker main are such bully

[boreal quartz]

"main"

[wanton sierra]

we pplay arms even when its trash.... i mean, most of the times

[boreal quartz]

depends on boss

did nymue on arms and then none till fyrakk

[fossil rampart]

again, never said that to be the case. i just put ms in there if the situation calls for it

[fossil rampart]

that proves my point kinda. i think if i remember correctly, archi said there's 11 for arms and 10 for fury? something like that? like it was 1 off. if that is the case then why do people feel like arms is button bloated? because of the ramping/amping you do with all the rest of the abilities

majority of the abilities used aren't for pumping, it's for to help with the pumping

[boreal quartz]

arms is less bloated

!!!

[quasi torrent]

nice spec bro

[boreal quartz]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6n7YSzRX2xGKKFB7dRDVzh
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/moY5mertkrKhiDNHpaR91k

sauce

[woven wasp]

no leaky leaky

[gaunt owl]

we dont ramp wtf are you saying

[fossil rampart]

dude

[gaunt owl]

opener is just scuffed

[fossil rampart]

ramp in the sense

using other abilities to juice our main abilities

[wanton sierra]

how about colossus sims? ^^

[sacred zodiac]

@woven wasp sims too much.. this is unfair..

[fossil rampart]

also that's literally irrelevant, i've been on about colossus man. you are and i are literally talking about different things

[woven wasp]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jDNDgyajLmGPNqmbtWrrWh

[gaunt owl]

simming is irrelelvant

[woven wasp]

ive gained 40k since you typed that

[gaunt owl]

[boreal quartz]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vThuWdF77rcZ3OF1a2xMgnMM5Udo8mpn9n3gx8IymKNabO-jg3LnE7LQV_t-EjQPcAzqiDdjztIOwZW/pubhtml#

[woven wasp]

already killed mythic ansurek cmon guys

[sacred zodiac]

unfair! outrageous!

[wanton sierra]

damn nice! ty kind sir

[fossil rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-meme-really-gif-26853815

simming for the wrong hero spec that isn't relevant to the conversation in any way?

yes, then it's irrelevant

[boreal quartz]

do you want the colo sim

[fossil rampart]

and even if that were to be true (that being arms is less button bloated) that literally proves my point

why does it feel that way? because we're not as zugzug as fury. we need to use certain abilities to maximize damage for our main abilities

compared to fury which every press is a huge burst of damage

[gaunt owl]

you try so hard

to overthink Arms

like just stop

get help

[sacred zodiac]

as opposed to fury which doesnt use certain abilities to maximize damage for our main abilities

[boreal quartz]

i wanna see u play

[gaunt owl]

there is nothing secret

[fossil rampart]

if you have no argument and simply want to insult for no reason other than not being able to argue, simply exit the conversation

[gaunt owl]

simply stop

[fossil rampart]

no

[gaunt owl]

Arms is literally braindead

[boreal quartz]

your argument was that demolish feels good when ur slowed and does if u arent

[gaunt owl]

gameplay

[wanton sierra]

its inspiring, i do like to overthink as arms... and i know, we warriors got -8 intellect

[fossil rampart]

dude.. no..

[gaunt owl]

i'm gonna ignore this guy

i just dont know what he is on about anymore

[fossil rampart]

feel free, don't bother jumping into conversations you can't handle

[fossil rampart]

i argued that removing the root aspect of demolish isn't gonna fix as many issues as we think it is

[fossil rampart]

and i also agree that it is a downside

[sacred zodiac]

completely unrelated question, is the character on tichondrius with the same name as your discord handle your main character?

[fossil rampart]

no it's my pally

which is from df

[woven wasp]

wow spongies just doxxing people now

[boreal quartz]

brown paladeen

[fossil rampart]

you wanna look up my logs or something? i'd be happy to send to dms

[sacred zodiac]

just wanted to see where the "arms isnt a fast paced spec" idea comes from

[fossil rampart]

so i assume you play both specs right?

[junior jetty]

guys can u recommand a race for arm warrior noob, i'd like to play Myth

[boreal quartz]

what do you think looks cool

[sacred zodiac]

whatever you think looks coolest

[boreal quartz]

cuz feeling cool is a bigger damage gain than any racial

[fossil rampart]

assuming you do, lemme ask you this

[sacred zodiac]

minmaxing racials only matters for bleeding edge shit

[fossil rampart]

what's your opener for fury

[sacred zodiac]

idk i press random buttons rn raid isnt releasing for 3 weeks

[junior jetty]

get it thx bros

[daring heron]

based

[fossil rampart]

you're in a raid environment, mythic raid, stakes are high

what's your opener

[sacred zodiac]

i press whatever i figured out the correct opener is

[fossil rampart]

and the same for arms?

[boreal quartz]

optimal gameplay is in fact optimal

[daring heron]

just go to maxroll.gg and check opener in rotation guides there

[fossil rampart]

like you don't wanna give specifics? why?

[daring heron]

easy to read and it's correct

[quasi torrent]

u press
n
swap fury

maxroll opener graphic actually goated

[gaunt owl]

[fossil rampart]

no dude we're talking about something entirely different, idk if you been up to speed on the convo

[daring heron]

^

[sacred zodiac]

because i am giving you the correct answer, i havent looked at correct openers and prios and shit yet because it literally doesnt matter for another 2 weeks

[daring heron]

you askes for opener, maxroll has opener

[boreal quartz]

yippi

[fossil rampart]

i understand, the context is different

[gaunt owl]

HOLY SHIT

he just cant stop himself

thats so funny

[daring heron]

in that context i would follow the maxroll opener

what do you mean

[fossil rampart]

the reason for asking was to try and prove my point for him. he just refuses to answer. i don't actually want an actual answer to what the optimal rotation is

[daring heron]

either that or i would fumble, get slightly annoyed, and continue pressing buttons

[sacred zodiac]

i'll bite

my current opener is charge, reck ava, roar, bladestorm maybe if i feel like it, and the pack is usually dead by then

[quasi torrent]

nice arms opener

[sacred zodiac]

oh arms

[fossil rampart]

no no that's good

i asked fury

[smoky kayak]

my current opener is OF and then everything is dead

[fossil rampart]

now arms

[next flame]

"Haven't looked up shit cause it's irrelevant for amother 2 weeks" is the correct answer...

[smoky kayak]

sometimes I just press charge and they die

[daring heron]

if he's arms then his first step is press N and talent fury

[sacred zodiac]

nah nah i played arms yday

[gaunt owl]

smortest warrior in the room

[smoky kayak]

I'm sorry

[sacred zodiac]

in the comp stomp cause someone told me to

[fossil rampart]

based but understandable

[halcyon breach]

/afk

[smoky kayak]

what'd you lose a bet or something?

[quasi torrent]

toph macro

[sacred zodiac]

i did not fall for the @uncut shard bait macro ..

[junior jetty]

not joke serious?

[ebon ridge]

Real men play arms regardless

[fossil rampart]

so for arms?

[sacred zodiac]

ok heres my arms opener: charge roar bladestorm and all the comp stomp enemies died

[thick kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046046500578406479/1265022442599088192/makesweet-volebs.gif

[fossil rampart]

heh..

[boreal quartz]

critcake never makes joke

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1271809677264683080/critcake-warrior.gif

[quasi torrent]

did u say "wooshwooshwoosh" out loud during bladestorm?

[fossil rampart]

i guess you don't wanna be serious about it anymore for some reason

[boreal quartz]

cuz ur suggesting dumb shit

[daring heron]

spongie is never serious

[boreal quartz]

tbh

[sacred zodiac]

i did comment about the meatgrinder as there were 5 other warriors bladestorming with me

[sacred zodiac]

make the point you want to make

[sacred zodiac]

didnt join skyhold tc session in voicechat yday..

[junior jetty]

noob wanted to play arm beaten 3 sec

[daring heron]

figured it'd be too unhinged for strwam

[sacred zodiac]

it mainly consisted of us just playing wow and chatting and then random ppl joining to watch our streams for 2 minutes and leaving

[fossil rampart]

fury and arms almost have the same button press but why do people divert away from arms? because rotation wise, fury is much easier to take care of. arms on the other handle has cooldowns that rarely ever align and messing them up can cause reduced damage overall

[sacred zodiac]

then it became unhinged a bit

[boreal quartz]

@sacred zodiacdrip or

[sacred zodiac]

oly drippus maximus

[boreal quartz]

its not about difficulty

[fossil rampart]

the point would be much clearer if you humored me but i guess not

[boreal quartz]

if you cant play a wow spec u arent gonna play mythic anyways

[sacred zodiac]

you picked the one guy that literally doesnt care about the game until the raid opens

i queued my first hc yesterday

[next flame]

Ok so off topic question correct me if i'm wrong:
Colossus=an unpolished mess
Slayer arms < Slayer fury
Mountain thane = dead?

[fossil rampart]

then why are you even bothering with the conversation?

[quasi torrent]

It just got unhinged when i meowed at people and toph started optimzing underwear usage

[boreal quartz]

ye kinda

[daring heron]

lol

[smoky kayak]

I mean it has one button that misaligns and it's kinda hard to mess up since it's optimal to use on CD anyway

[sacred zodiac]

(4 days worth of underwear usage per pantaloon!)

[boreal quartz]

Arms is not zug zug guys

[boreal quartz]

HOSEN?

[woven wasp]

i have 4 of the magus sets

[quasi torrent]

me when 2 degrees of freedom with 2 states each

[boreal quartz]

what is this bro

[fossil rampart]

but still people feel that way though is the point. it can be harder on arms to pump more damage, especially demolish arms compared to fury

is the point, never said arms isn't zuguzg

just isn't as zugzug is what i'm saying

[woven wasp]

as soon as bots get blacksmith it becomes a mess

[smoky kayak]

I don't think Arms is harder by any stretch of the imagination, at least not in TWW

in Dragonflight maybe, depending on the patch

[quasi torrent]

just go in 5 warrs and spin on BS

[sacred zodiac]

cause talking abt the one class i play in my favourite video game is still entertaining

[woven wasp]

real

[smoky kayak]

But TWW Arms is, if anything, a little too simple

[next flame]

Right now fury just feels 10 times smoother to play

[quasi torrent]

me when i have to pick powerful enrage (noooo)

[fossil rampart]

i agree but others don't. arms is simple and fun but people divert to fury because it's less things to worry about and easier to just go off the rip

[smoky kayak]

Fury is just more fun, but it's rotation is definitely more complicated than Arms atm

like demonstrably

[quasi torrent]

Idk arms u just press MS when ready

and cleave on aoe

where hard

[gaunt owl]

much science

[sacred zodiac]

i will not be policed

[fossil rampart]

what do you mean by that? how so

[smoky kayak]

Arms principal rotation is 3 buttons

• 1 with a preset CD
• 1 with a very frequent reset
• 1 with no CD
  it's incredibly hard to fuck up

[warm olive]

I mean, if we're not considering fantasy in any way/shape/form, perfectly balanced (people will always divert to the strongest spec), speed and tankyness

[woven wasp]

ready for the ST raid build

[quasi torrent]

I dont know which one this is

[boreal quartz]

the good one

[sacred zodiac]

frenzied

[fossil rampart]

i mean i do but then people call me cringe for it

[quasi torrent]

is powerful the tom arm

[sacred zodiac]

yes tom is back and in fury

[woven wasp]

yeah

[sacred zodiac]

fury is saved

[woven wasp]

real

[quasi torrent]

NOOOOOO

[halcyon breach]

hate tom

[quasi torrent]

FUCK TOM FUCK TOM

[smoky kayak]

ok a second ago you said Arms was complicated now you're saying its simple, feel like you need to pick a lane lol

[boreal quartz]

fuk tom fuk tom fuck fuck

[gaunt owl]

he keep flip flopping

[sacred zodiac]

ok but actually do i pick tom or frenzied

[smoky kayak]

Fury's rotation is demonstrably more complicated than Arms atm - full stop

it's not even a question

[boreal quartz]

tom or iftk moment

[quasi torrent]

tom on aoe
frenzied st

[uncut shard]

Dont bully @left adder

[smoky kayak]

that isn't to say that Fury is hard to play, neither Warrior spec is really

[sacred zodiac]

in the for kill

[fossil rampart]

i'm trynna prove a point by saying the majority of the player base says arms is complicated. to me it is very simple ofc but point is people divert to fury because to them it is more easily understandable and easier to pump for dps

[next flame]

Yet fury simply feels better to play and smoother

[sacred zodiac]

-15% haste i will 7

[smoky kayak]

I do not think the majority of the player base has ever said arms is complicated

[uncut shard]

literally nobody says that

[quasi torrent]

I've yet to see anyone say arms is complicated

[smoky kayak]

at least not in TWW

certain parts of DF, yeah perhaps

[fossil rampart]

i've seen a fair few people say that in here actually

[quasi torrent]

only in s2
maybe

[uncut shard]

Show one

just one chat

[quasi torrent]

ctrl+f complicated

[smoky kayak]

I mean, there's always some random person who will say something - that doesn't make it anything like a common opinion

[uncut shard]

no

[gaunt owl]

Arms is so complicated guys man

[boreal quartz]

if the majority thinks arms is complex the majority is wrong

[gaunt owl]

we push button

stuff dies

[quasi torrent]

people in saxony voting tomorrow

[next flame]

Cleave cleave cleave cleave

[fossil rampart]

people still feel that way is the thing. i've never seen anyone say the same for fury

[quasi torrent]

majority wrong votes coming

[warm olive]

I don't think people come here to say "Arms is hard", we normally say it is dead and the coffin gif

[wanton sierra]

i play arms becouse its very complicated class... and to say im better than furyes coz they are ez xD

[fossil rampart]

well yeah but say a lotta stuff

[smoky kayak]

again, you may have seen one or two people say this, but that does not make it a common opinion

regardless, I don't really see the point of this conversation

people have stupid opinions ever day

[quasi torrent]

i come in and say its dogshit
does that count

[boreal quartz]

we are so fucked

[quasi torrent]

im like max distance from saxony luckily

[warm olive]

that would fall on the second part, but i'll give you your own category, you deserve it

[sacred zodiac]

there u go i got ur back

[smoky kayak]

I don't really concern myself with random opinions of random people; there's always someone who is going to hold a contradicting opinion (see: flat earthers)

[uncut shard]

Hard disagree, warrior players are the smartest they dont have stupid opinions

[wanton sierra]

xD

[fossil rampart]

me saying it's a thing for the majority isn't the point. people look at arms and see a alot more buttons to take of than fury and by default divert to fury is what i'm saying.

[quasi torrent]

Donut earth is real buddy

[smoky kayak]

I didn't say majority, I said common

and Arms does not have "a lot more buttons than Fury"

[misty basalt]

get out archi

it's a circle convo

[fossil rampart]

that is my point

[sacred zodiac]

valid or invalid?

[fossil rampart]

people feel that way because of the playstyle

[smoky kayak]

ok please

stop saying "people say" or "people feel" XYZ

[quasi torrent]

kugelkoordinaten

[warm olive]

warrior causes erectile dysfunction 😢 only 74?

[fossil rampart]

i mean to say i feel or i say would be outright wrong

[wanton sierra]

too many wasted energy on this flippily flop conversation... im jokin im havin fun

[quasi torrent]

arms is hard

people have spoken

[sacred zodiac]

people (me)

[uncut shard]

I am also hard

[quasi torrent]

literally just me

[uncut shard]

and I play arms

-> Arms hard

[boreal quartz]

mein bauch hat 2 postleitzahlen i am @median scroll

[smoky kayak]

Idk why you keep on with the unsubstantiated appeal to the unheard masses, but saying "people say" or "people feel" to support your claim is meaningless, particularly when it has not been evidenced anywhere

[wanton sierra]

i dont even wanna be top 1, i just wanna be better than furyes to make jokes to them hehe

[quasi torrent]

spongie had to use sphericals for his thesis

[boreal quartz]

jesus people cant keep shut

[warm olive]

are these people in the room with us right now?

[fossil rampart]

i mean that is the case though. wouldn't you say in general people divert more to fury because they think it's more button bloated?

[left adder]

😦

[sacred zodiac]

657 messages containing the words "arms" and "hard" have been sent in this discord (one of them is @warm olive) therefore i have spoken

[fossil rampart]

like literally a couple days ago a dude was saying it's button bloated and how to reduce the buttons

[quasi torrent]

sorry buddy

[uncut shard]

Not really

[fossil rampart]

some people even offered to remove deep wounds or something

[smoky kayak]

I don't care what people think, Arms averages 1 more button than Fury

[fossil rampart]

rend i mean

[quasi torrent]

what for

[warm olive]

oh shit, what did i do?

[smoky kayak]

I also still don't see the point of your bringing this up

[wanton sierra]

sks is the button

[sacred zodiac]

you said people didnt say that but i searched arms hard and your message contained them

[fossil rampart]

would you agree arms is a slightly more slow paced playstyle compared to fury?

[smoky kayak]

no, particularly not in TWW

[quasi torrent]

yeah arms hard also includes arms is not hard i think

[fossil rampart]

why not

[smoky kayak]

if anything Arms can easily be faster than Fury

[boreal quartz]

arms has been gcd capped since df like i said 2h ago

[smoky kayak]

because powerful enrage and in for the kill exists

[uncut shard]

Because the APM are similar

[wanton sierra]

man i got 7 haste, please

[quasi torrent]

(until u reach execute)

[boreal quartz]

7 🦵

[fossil rampart]

demolish arms can have a faster playstyle than fury slayer?

[smoky kayak]

yes

[quasi torrent]

thane ans slayer fury aren't any diff

[fossil rampart]

that is mind blowing. enlighten me

[warm olive]

i did, yeah, during this conversation

[smoky kayak]

go read your talents

[wanton sierra]

i know im slow but im pressin buttons like an madman ^^

[sacred zodiac]

(you have located the joke)

[smoky kayak]

open your talent window, go to the search bar and type in "haste"

[uncut shard]

Please stop explaining it it makes me angry

[warm olive]

sorry i am anxious 🥺 👉 👈

[quasi torrent]

bälle

[sacred zodiac]

Grrr!!!

[fossil rampart]

i don't literally mean in the sense of having more haste

[wanton sierra]

whhoa! never used that seacrh bar talents, nice

[smoky kayak]

haste is the only thing that dictates the speed of the rotation

[uncut shard]

The only thing that might not be affected by haste are off gcd abilities

[quasi torrent]

unless you're piss Ressource starved
which arms isnt, mostly

[fossil rampart]

you wouldn't agree that when compared to fury arms doesn't have to worry about op stacks being accurate, mix and matching optimal comboes to output maximum damage?

[spice pilot]

lets back to old school arms

[smoky kayak]

well true, that just isn't the case atm

[quasi torrent]

As i said

[uncut shard]

Because thats just not true

Fury has depth too

to be player properly

[fossil rampart]

it does

i agree

[smoky kayak]

no, as I repeatedly pointed out, Fury is demonstrably more complicated than Arms atm; Arms barely even pays attention to OP stacks

[boreal quartz]

did u dm spongie ur logs

btw

[quasi torrent]

u dont care about op stacks

[warm olive]

unless we dont have the funny exec refund talent

during exec phase

[quasi torrent]

even then kinda bleh during exe tbf

[smoky kayak]

But more importantly, I still fail to see the actual point of this conversation

so really quickly @fossil rampart , without repeating the same thing you've been saying for the last hour here, tell me why this line of conversation matters

[wanton sierra]

the idea of fury rotation is get rage and trhow rampages, thats it

[smoky kayak]

because it seems to me you just keep making claims and asking people if they agree with them

[sacred zodiac]

idc about logs i just want proof that they have played a warrior in instanced content cause that character just hasnt lmao

[fringe moon]

@smoky kayak are current wowhead suggested trinkets correct? Sims are currently suggesting other trinkets like oppressive orator’s

[fossil rampart]

what do you mean barely? it's centered around op no? 2 op stacks = more cleave/ms damage

[warm olive]

because of the people, Archie, the people have spoken

[uncut shard]

The idea of arms rotation is press button when off cooldown

[quasi torrent]

ok and

[uncut shard]

whats more difficult?

[boreal quartz]

did you get proof

[quasi torrent]

u still press ms cleave when they're ready

[sacred zodiac]

no

[smoky kayak]

I'm notgoing to explain the rotation to you, I already wrote several guides which do that lol

[sacred zodiac]

minor selfreport

[wanton sierra]

saying like that every class shall appear easy xD

[boreal quartz]

i love arguing with hc dungeon doers

[fossil rampart]

pressing them with 2 stacks of op would be optimal, no?

[smoky kayak]

no

[quasi torrent]

Minor he says

Absolutely not

If ure holding ur Ms Cleave for 2op you're griefing

[smoky kayak]

^

[quasi torrent]

while making the spec harder to play

[fossil rampart]

good god that isn't what i'm saying

[quasi torrent]

literal double L

WHAT IS IT THEN

[misty basalt]

vote mute

[smoky kayak]

techincally you'd get better raw value over time by using MS with 1 stack of OP each time, but that doesn't actually matter in practice

[smoky kayak]

literally nobody knows what you're saying, because you keep switching your tune

[left talon]

Imagine playing heroics as arms when you can xthunderboyx

[fossil rampart]

i'm talking to 5 different people dude

[warm olive]

but lets say i want to big number ms during exec? Only for it to not crit, of course

[fossil rampart]

okay to respond to you

[quasi torrent]

Just be demolish pwarr and do 1m dps every pull by pressing revenge

[smoky kayak]

I don't care

I'm going to repeat this one more time, and if you say anything other than a direct answer to my question, I'm just going to mute you

I still fail to see the actual point of this conversation, so really quickly @fossil rampart , without repeating the same thing you've been saying for the last hour here, tell me why this line of conversation matters

[spice pilot]

this is channel 52 mr president what do you think about the state of 2x op stacks vs 1x op stack mortal strikes in light aoe scenarios

[warm olive]

Ultimatum

[quasi torrent]

balls

[spice pilot]

covfefe

[fossil rampart]

the entire point i am trying to make is, when compared together arms tends to have it's player worrying more about cooldowns because they don't line up properly when compared to fury it's the repeat of avatar reck fury roar spin

[smoky kayak]

no, that is not accurate by any stretch of the imagination

[fossil rampart]

and having to make sure op usuage is optimal

[smoky kayak]

and so the fear is unfounded

and so this conversation is pointless

[boreal quartz]

what if spin desyncs cuz of slayer

😨

[fossil rampart]

instead of deeming it pointless you not gonna bother to say why so?

[smoky kayak]

I already have - you fundamentally misunderstand the rotation

[sacred zodiac]

what do you mean with this though? arms is literally a 3 step priority with no conditionals on op, at all, ever

[wanton sierra]

damn this guys is gettin muted! xD

[fossil rampart]

then explain

[smoky kayak]

and I recommend you read some of the guides to get better acquainted with it

no, go read the guides

[fossil rampart]

heh..

[nimble yoke]

my guy literally wrote guides so that he wouldn't have to sit here and explain this shit to people all day lmfao

[warm olive]

he did, he's the author in the wowhead warrior bible

[left talon]

Guys how bad do you feel after queuing as tank and abandoning your group after first boss because trinket didnt drop

[fossil rampart]

good talk i suppose. just saying no to everything i say and not bothering to back it up as to why that is

[wanton sierra]

who in the seven hells write those guides? damn... author must be an noob

im jokin archi xD

[sacred zodiac]

can i have your logs or your character name at least if you're not the warrior with your discord handle on tichondrius

[nimble yoke]

is it fair to assume that you're trolling and ragebaiting lol

[smoky kayak]

I've backed it up with 16 years of guide and simulator work

[nimble yoke]

cause it seems fair to assume

[fossil rampart]

nah

i'm not

[fossil rampart]

i understand that, and i respect you for that but that isn't the point

[boreal quartz]

👋

[wanton sierra]

we never get to understand the "point" i guess

[warm olive]

I mean, from what i've watchin you're just not giving in your point, no argument against it was good enough to change your opinion

[gaunt owl]

@smoky kayak can you explain to my the opener plz ?

[warm olive]

which makes it a faith based

opinion

[gaunt owl]

[fossil rampart]

what makes you think i'll listen to "go read the guide" when you just say no to everything and ask me to go read the guide

[nimble yoke]

it isn't anyone's duty to sit here and explain shit to you lol, and if they don't want to humour you it's not a "heh...gotcha, you're simply too smoothbrained to understand the intricacies of the arms rotation where you press MS on cooldown and then spam your other shit"

[gaunt owl]

its still going it's amazing

[boreal quartz]

in high stake raid mythic

endboss

[spice pilot]

oh boy

[sacred zodiac]

what buttons in what order?

[left talon]

@smoky kayak how can I click mortal strike when I use my mouse to move??

[nimble yoke]

charge in before the tank, take aggro, die to auto attack

[misty basalt]

the point is heard other people say something not true now i state it as fact

[fossil rampart]

either way i guess, conversation got too long and things are getting outta control. majority of the people in here don't even wanna have a sensible conversation. they just wanna troll

[nimble yoke]

(maybe lets not ping archi with this)

[gaunt owl]

you are the one trolling dude get help for real

[fossil rampart]

i thought you ignored me, why're you @'ing me

[sacred zodiac]

please ...

[tardy hare]

You look like a troll so people are going to treat you like one

[fossil rampart]

yeah sure i'll send my pally logs

[left talon]

God I just wanna demolish her DMs

[sacred zodiac]

i dont want your pally logs

i want your warrior logs

[wanton sierra]

not troll, we are here to help the situation.. the conversation is pointless anyways... at least we are havin fun here

[warm olive]

not archimtiros but from what ive seen its something like:

Charge>burst>bres
for fury

[fossil rampart]

no they just assume i'm trolling because the majority disagrees

[nimble yoke]

have you considered that the majority disagrees because it's a stupid point and makes you seem like you're trolling

or did that never cross your mind

[next flame]

We did give you examples and why this why that at the start of the convo yet you just dismissed/ignored them so now people got tired

[fossil rampart]

sure it did. doesn't mean it's true

[boreal quartz]

@fossil rampartare u more of an m+ player or raid

or pvp

[fossil rampart]

m+

[wanton sierra]

i tried to understand, but that flippily flop conversation is hard to get.... and im war, i got low int

[fossil rampart]

i never pvp

well both honestly

by both i mean raid and m+

[boreal quartz]

mythic raid?

[fossil rampart]

but this entire time i was referring to m+

yes

[gaunt owl]

man this guy is so smart

[boreal quartz]

how far did u get

[hot goblet]

Holy this changes things

[wanton sierra]

HOLY SHIET, we got an purple parser !! xD

[smoky kayak]

we assume you're trolling because you've yet to state a clear, coherent, and personal position

• you just keep making generalized and unsubstantial claims like "people think..." or "people say...." [something controversial if not outright untrue]
• we tell you that you're wrong, and you simply don't believe us

[quasi torrent]

14 / 2

[gaunt owl]

he hit you with the its irrelevant when it doesnt fit his narrative

[spice pilot]

arms

[fossil rampart]

no archi i've stated multiple times to what my point was to which you've just scoffed off, told me no, i was wrong and to go read your guide

[smoky kayak]

because you're incorrect

full stop

I don't know what else to tell you

[fossil rampart]

be that as it may, doesn't mean i'm trolling

[smoky kayak]

"maximizing 2 Overpower buffs on Mortal Strike" is not the optimal way to play - full stop

[hot goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/llhlg-raccoon-facepalm-annoyed-hands-gif-18825442

[boreal quartz]

you dont get much clearer feedback on ur opinion on how to play than from the guidewriter and sim maker

[fossil rampart]

i'm not saying to play like that, it was an example

[smoky kayak]

Arms cooldowns do not all misalign - the only one that does is Demolish, which is best used on cooldown anyway

ok well your example was wrong, and you used that example as the premise of your argument

ergo your argument appears without merit

[left talon]

This is just like me in her DMs fr

[fossil rampart]

and again, never said arms cooldown ALL misalign

[wanton sierra]

jesus bro

[misty basalt]

lol

[smoky kayak]

it doesn't matter, you said "they misalign" and that it had a negative impact on your damage

[boreal quartz]

can u summarise what u did and didnt say

[smoky kayak]

which isn't really true - one misaligns, and it's best used on cooldown anyway

[boreal quartz]

im getting severely confused

[wanton sierra]

im lost already

[smoky kayak]

so this "issue" that you're claiming is "such a big issue for Arms players" ....isn't really an issue

[hot goblet]

I’ve lost my notes, we’re doomed

[fossil rampart]

some of em misalign making it harder to keep up with all the cds

[warm olive]

I mean, it can misalign if you play incorrectly

[fossil rampart]

compared to fury

[sacred zodiac]

like im ngl your warrior has zero recorded m+ completions and no raid clears ever and you're firing off statements like "2 op buffs on ms is optimal" which is technically not wrong but so grieviously misunderstanding what arms actually wants to do and then trying to make some argument by inferring what people have said it is a bit silly

[smoky kayak]

it's mildly annoying, if only because people like when things align, but it's not really a problem

[boreal quartz]

fury missalligns more

[ebon ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbik-mortal-combat-gif-3795006771601208806

[smoky kayak]

And again, Fury is demonstrably more complicated than Arms

[boreal quartz]

of 45 - bs whatev - reck/rav/roar static

[wanton sierra]

daaaaamiun

[smoky kayak]

like just in simple terms of how many steps and checks there are to the rotation, Fury is more complicated

[fossil rampart]

i do not mind the cds misaligning

was just saying that arms can appear to be hard with all that compared to fury

who has 4 major cds to pop off

[boreal quartz]

your warrior has zero recorded m+ completions and no raid clears ever and you're firing off statements like "2 op buffs on ms is optimal" which is technically not wrong but so grieviously misunderstanding what arms actually wants to do and then trying to make some argument by inferring what people have said it is a bit silly

[wanton sierra]

i got an big mouth but dont check my logs xD

[ebon ridge]

The big question is why Spongiewarr is void elf

[sacred zodiac]

[warm olive]

new meme format?

[boreal quartz]

fury has spear reck ava bs thats the same amount?

[halcyon breach]

Answer the question immediately

You cannot escape

[sacred zodiac]

I concede immediately

[smoky kayak]

and I'm just gonna come back to this - why are you arguing on behalf of "players worry about" - speak for yourself, not other people

[fossil rampart]

how is it misunderstanding. if i misworded then i apologize

[smoky kayak]

if there's a rash of Arms Warriors hiding in the woodwork who are concerned with the spec being too hard, let them come forward and voice their concerns

[fossil rampart]

but archi that would literally make no sense if i were to say "i mind them misaligning" when i said the exact opposite 2 minutes ago

[boreal quartz]

idk im copypastaing

i just see you have no raids done on any difficulty

[torpid yew]

what is arms looking like in raid performance wise?

[smoky kayak]

So then why are you making the argument on behalf of other (seemingly nonexistent) people?!

[warm olive]

let them come

[fossil rampart]

i feel confident in my ability to play arms, just saying of what i see to prove my point

[smoky kayak]

feels like you're just making shit up

[fossil rampart]

nah man

[boreal quartz]

drop the logs king

[hot goblet]

I think I’ll hold my CDs for when we in execute for big dam, this is the arms way

[smoky kayak]

and arguing "on behalf of others, but I don't really feel this way" for no other reason than to be argumentative

[fossil rampart]

there literally was a dude a couple days ago saying arms is key bloated

[boreal quartz]

WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THAT DUDE

[smoky kayak]

yes, and he was corrected, and he said "oh ok you're right"

I remember the conversation, because I was actually a part of it

[wanton sierra]

on behalf of all those poor souls that plays the class wrong, i shall defend you!

[fossil rampart]

"oh ok you're right" what?

what context does that point to

[smoky kayak]

it was @weary mountain btw

[ebon ridge]

Why are ya'll yapping so much? get back to grinding rep and worry about min max openers when stuff actually matters

[fossil rampart]

that isn't the same pfp as i remember

lemme check

[smoky kayak]

I don't care

[fossil rampart]

well, ya should

[sacred zodiac]

hold on lemme pull out a different random guy

let the mfight

[smoky kayak]

the context I literally just stated he was corrected, and he said "oh ok you're right"

[fossil rampart]

referring to the wrong dude and saying that it makes you right doesn't actually make you right

[misty basalt]

i got a buddy a mine

[boreal quartz]

i want to see ur logs paka

[misty basalt]

he changed his picture, now he's incognito

[smoky kayak]

I'm not referring to the wrong dude, and we've already demonstrated that what you think is riddled with inaccuracies

[woven wasp]

what a time to be alive
hour long shitshow conversation taking place in arms and not fury

[hot goblet]

Arms is a 3 button spec, MS + OP + swifty one shot macro, how can it be bloated

[fossil rampart]

lemme go find the dude i'm referring to

[wanton sierra]

he must have got an bad night sleep... im wasted too, drank too much wine yesterday... fuck hangouver

[smoky kayak]

I really don't care, if that one dude exists, he can make his own argument for himself

you don't need to do it for him

[warm olive]

hes just stating that, when the other guy was corrected, he conceded and acnowledged

[fossil rampart]

then why're you just assuming the person you referred to is the correct person? is that because that happens to prove you're right?

like? what?

[gilded stump]

I wonder if this is about me

[gaunt owl]

i'm impressed its still going

[wanton sierra]

the other guy must be me... now im gettin it xD

[fossil rampart]

honestly true, at this point it's actually a meaningless conversation

[gaunt owl]

You started it

holy moly

[smoky kayak]

because it literally doesn't matter if one specific person was the specific person who had an issue

[misty basalt]

but what context doesn't it matter

[gaunt owl]

it was pointless already 45 minutes ago

[gilded stump]

Check fury chat from last night we talked about colors for hours

[fossil rampart]

then why would you @ them and refer to them with you being correct in the referal?

[wanton sierra]

HOLY MOLY INDEED CHANNEL WARRIOR!!

[gaunt owl]

but you keep yapping

[smoky kayak]

• it is not a common issue
• it is not a common sentiment
• most of your claims have been based on misunderstandings of the class/spec

that is the point

[warm olive]

archie he said it, he asnwered you question from a while back

[smoky kayak]

whether or not there were 2 people in the span of a week who had a similar observation, and which one specifically is which, is irrelevant

[fossil rampart]

either way, didn't mean to cause this big of a hassel. wasn't trolling, just trynna prove a point and it got outta control

[gaunt owl]

it probably was far more interesting than this

[hot goblet]

My guy embodies the zugzug

[sacred zodiac]

how come when archi tries to make an argument by pointing to ppl its an irrelevant and weird point but when you do it its fine and a coherent thought

now show me your m+ keys on on your warrior ..

[gilded stump]

I dunno what this is about but we couldn't agree on the color debate yesterday

[fossil rampart]

he literally is saying it himself it's irrelevant to refer to other people. are you like joining the convo at random moments

[wanton sierra]

eeeew fury channel? pff

[gilded stump]

Hey they are our brothers in arms show some comraderie

[smoky kayak]

that's not what I said, what I said was specifically which person it was doesn't matter

it doens't matter if it was Ava, or if it was Nano, or someone else

[fossil rampart]

so overall your point is, it doesn't matter?

[smoky kayak]

my point is the name doesn't matter

[fossil rampart]

the person does?

[smoky kayak]

no it doesn't

[fossil rampart]

so it doesn't matter overall lol

[wanton sierra]

true, i like to make fun of them... i like the lil war between classes... its mostly role play xD

[slow saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-really-matters-no-meaning-no-significance-does-not-matter-mattress-gif-4931333530329248251

[smoky kayak]

the fact that a handful of random people have made these observations is not contention

[gilded stump]

Name dropped by Archi
#WeMadeIt #StartedFromTheBottomNowWereHere

[smoky kayak]

it never has been

[fossil rampart]

oh man either way

sorry to have upset people, didn't mean to be that way

[smoky kayak]

the point is that it's not a common opinion, just because one person has it doesn't mean everyone does

[fossil rampart]

and you too archi. i respect you a lot as a warrior theory crafter

and that hasn't changed

[smoky kayak]

just like flat earthers exist, but their beliefs are not common sentiment

[fossil rampart]

i got you

[gilded stump]

If earth is round why can't I see the curve?

[smoky kayak]

because you're blind

that's why you got such big glasses

[fossil rampart]

again sorry to everyone else, have a good day

[wanton sierra]

earth may be round, but azeroth is flat b1tches xD

[sacred zodiac]

man didnt play legion ..

[smoky kayak]

nu uh, TWW confirmed the Arathi live on the other side of it!

[gilded stump]

Azeroth (titan form) has that junk in the trunk why else would everyone be so obsessed about her

[boreal quartz]

did they retcon arathi times

[smoky kayak]

idk if they actually did confirm that, it's just the impression I got

cause they kept saying "across the sea" and... well we've already been to both sides of it on the flat map

[gilded stump]

I think it's still mystery where the arathi are from

[wanton sierra]

why i cant get the treasure? xD

[gilded stump]

And how none of their mages knew teleport magic

[smoky kayak]

the correct answer doesn't unlock until you read the specific book

[woven wasp]

they did they all died

[sacred zodiac]

like 2 mages in the world can teleport at will and one of them just died

[wanton sierra]

i know, i saw an video yesterday... im just messing

[boreal quartz]

rip daddy kaddy

[wanton sierra]

its like bunch of books

[gaunt owl]

spoiler

[gilded stump]

They have been there for a while now and the last living one was "researching" teleportation like come on how did he pass Mage Class

[gaunt owl]

[sacred zodiac]

its been 2 weeks

[smoky kayak]

I actually loved that questline, near the end he's like "oh did I accidentally use teleport?"
I was really thinking he accidentally teleported to the arathi instead of portaling, and now he'd never be able to get back to us 😆

just flipping the problem on its head would have been funny af

[hot goblet]

I still dont know where we are

[sacred zodiac]

i havent done that quest where do i pick it up

[gilded stump]

At the arathi farm

[sacred zodiac]

ty

[daring heron]

poor guy wouldnt have died if he did a portal

[gilded stump]

At least it was pretty canon to how rogue vs mage fights usually go

[smoky kayak]

I'm just sayin, how funny would it have been if he spent all that time trying to learn how to open a portal to Arathi to bring them here, only to accidentally teleport himself there instead and be unable to get back

[gilded stump]

More like unwilling to go back

[daring heron]

oh yeah

[smoky kayak]

that would have been a way better ending

[daring heron]

great quest though i enjoyed it

[gilded stump]

"Fuck them Arathi"

[smoky kayak]

ye most of them have been pretty good

the main campaign was way too short, but other than that it's pretty good overall

[gilded stump]

I'm interested to see how it goes on and on between patches

And if the black girl is actually related to Lothar

And why most of them have long tipped ears

Without any elves around (anymore at least)

[woven wasp]

almost certainly in no tangible way

[gilded stump]

Probably better that way when I think about Bolvars daughter in bfa

[woven wasp]

the arathi are made up of elves and humans so after so long theyve merged into a single race

[smoky kayak]

they just hurried through the "get to know these people" parts too much

• you meet the earthen, and within 3 quests you've mended a centuries old divide between their factions
• you meet the engineer dudes, and within 3 quests you've determined their leader is evil and immediately murder him, without anybody questioning it
• you meet the arathi, who tell you the only friendly people they've ever met were the earthen and they haven't seen em in like 10 years, and yet they immediately invite you along to murder hobo together and introduce you to all their top people

It's just... all a little too quick

[sacred zodiac]

i thought they're just a half elf

[gilded stump]

So are you saying that the original silver moon mages who taught the arathi magic where amongst the expedition and couldn't figure out how to teleport back?

[smoky kayak]

I'm not sayin the campaign needed to be 2x as long or anything, it was just a little too rushed and the writing suffered for it

[woven wasp]

they will have the same descendants from thousands of years ago, but you cant really call that related

[smoky kayak]

they are

[woven wasp]

no they went across the sea and settled the arathi empire

the expedition in hallowfall is recent

the arathi have been around for ages

[gilded stump]

How recent

[woven wasp]

like 20 years or so iirc

[marble steppe]

only questline that was good imo was the "remember me, earthen" or some shit like that, and it was a sidequest

all the rest were garbanzo

beans

[gilded stump]

The one about dementia basically?

Yeah that was pretty good

[marble steppe]

yeah

[smoky kayak]

they're not a single race, they make a point of showing that some are more elven than others, but when you question them they say "I'm not a half elf, I'm an arathi!"

The point of which isn't to say that they're all one race, but united as one people

[gilded stump]

I just find it hard to accept the fact that "almost all mages especially died" when they arrived there and the only one who didn't was like a community mage college grad who didn't know portals

[smoky kayak]

it's a commentary on trends of identifying in division, e.g. people who identify as an Irish-American, a German-American, a French-American, an Italian-American, or a Polish-American, instead of just an American

[gilded stump]

Like you said it could have been more polished

[sacred zodiac]

how many years ago was the sargeras stab thing anyways

[woven wasp]

15 i think

[gilded stump]

Exactly as much as the jailer planned it

[sacred zodiac]

i dont think the jailer planned the defeat of one of the things that would obliterate something he's trying to work against

[gilded stump]

All according to keikaku (translates note:, keikaku means plan)

[hollow pulsar]

Does max lvl campaign reward renown?

[smoky kayak]

it's been ~8 years

[woven wasp]

in game

not real

[smoky kayak]

yes

Legion was set in year 32, Dragonfight in year 40 (zero being the opening of the original dark portal in WC1)

[marble steppe]

what i still will never accept about the lore are how the nathrezim were always sleeping agents for the Jailer and were just fucking around with sargeras and killjaeden

[woven wasp]

[gilded stump]

Just turn your brain off

WC 3 might as well just be fan fiction at this point

[smoky kayak]

just forget all of Shadowlands tbh

[marble steppe]

i wish i could

[gilded stump]

Warriors don't have the brain power to forget things

[smoky kayak]

I didn't even hate the expansion, but the story pieces were terribly written

[gilded stump]

We're doomed to always remember

[smoky kayak]

Shadowlands fucked up by trying to explain all the mystery, despite the fact that most settings specifically avoid doing so

[boreal quartz]

robot jailer

[smoky kayak]

you want some things to remain unexplained, it gives people room to dream

[gilded stump]

Someone told me that Xalatath is actually Alleria from the future who got send back in time for whatever reason and I just sighed heavily and wept

[marble steppe]

its not even that, like the whole jailer fuckery went into every single detail that was already resolved and/or unknown, like wtf

[smoky kayak]

it kinda spawned from the theory that Khadgar is her teacher (the etheral, I forget his name) because they seem to have the same voice actor

[marble steppe]

the 4d chess video from Talesin and Evitel that came around that time really showed how dumb the whole shit is

[gilded stump]

Locus walker?

[smoky kayak]

yeah him

and there is an interesting duality to it

[gilded stump]

Lmao no way that's Khadgar more like Deadgar am I right

[marble steppe]

the dude is still alive

he can still be milked

[gilded stump]

Just because there was something datamined doesn't mean it's true

[marble steppe]

i havent read anything about datamined info

[gilded stump]

I guess we'll see how it unfolds probably around midnight though

[marble steppe]

its just because he can still be milked

they wont kill him

[smoky kayak]

well that's the thing

• they don't really show him die, they just make it seem like he did
• none of the main characters spend any real time ruminating about it
• his toy was turned off, which seems like a temporary thing
  and more importantly... his death is not nearly as big a moment as other popular characters, which really makes it seem like it's not final

[gilded stump]

Also lmao at Atiesh just breaking apart like that

[smoky kayak]

but that doesn't necessarily mean he'll come back as Khadgar either, which is also supporting that whole locus-walker theory

[gilded stump]

I'm 💯 sure he's not dead because it looked more like she was absorbing him then killing him

[marble steppe]

imagine we get to transfer his sentience into a mechagnome

that would be a peak lore moment

[smoky kayak]

e.g. something like his obliteration transported his soul to the void, where he learned to harness those powers and come back as an ethereal, because of the time & space fuckery that Blizzard loves to pull (see: Alleria and Turalyon apparently having been galavanting around fighting wars for a thousand years, because that makes sense /s)

[gilded stump]

It really seems unlikely that Locus Walker is actually Khadgar who got turned into him then send back to the ethereal home planet just to watch a void lord destroy it

[smoky kayak]

well the idea would be that he pops out in another part of time & space, where he lives among the people who are/become the ethereal

and knowing what he knows, he bided his time to find and teach alleria, and ensure that the proper future comes to pass - it kinda echoes the whole Medivh thing in WC3 tbh

[gilded stump]

So it's a "greater good" kind of deal to let the ethereal home world be consumed?

[smoky kayak]

well not necessarily, nobody said he has a choice in that

presuming the theory is true, just cause he knows it's gonna happen doesn't mean he can necessarily prevent it

[gilded stump]

My brain hurts from trying to make sense out of time travel stuff

[warm olive]

Didnt locus say that his planet was devoured or destroyed by the big bads of the void?

[smoky kayak]

yes that's what we were literally just talking about lol

[sacred zodiac]

mage npc says over a decade so that checks out

wait no replied to the wrong message

[smoky kayak]

Legion started 8 years before DF, not sure how much time passed between DF and TWW though

[sacred zodiac]

mage npc said their expedition started over a decade ago*

[warm olive]

sorry, just got in

[smoky kayak]

you're talking about the arathi, the question I was responding to was how long it'd been since sarg stabbed the sword

[sacred zodiac]

ya

[smoky kayak]

the arathi set out before the sword happened though

which I also don't get, like that crystal is clearly the tip of Sarg's sword lmao

[sacred zodiac]

doesnt line up geographically tho

[smoky kayak]

because that matters

[sacred zodiac]

ye it does

[woven wasp]

actually i think the crystal is clearly naaru related

[gilded stump]

It's actually a naaru

[woven wasp]

which is also backed up by concept art

[smoky kayak]

I mean I know they said it's not the sword

but if you look at the thing, it is damn near identical

[sacred zodiac]

or do the caverns extend under kalimdor idk

[smoky kayak]

we don't know

high chance blizz doesn't know, because they just make it up as is convenient

[woven wasp]

sargeras' sword didnt glow with light though its brown

[marble steppe]

remember draenor is now ruled by the nazi party of lightforged draenei, they still commiting war crimes back there

[smoky kayak]

idk looks like it's glowing to me

[gilded stump]

Based and Lightpilled

[sacred zodiac]

didnt the whole light dark shifting thing start the day sarg stabbed azeroth

[smoky kayak]

Yeah

[woven wasp]

thats the heat from entering atmosphere

[smoky kayak]

that's how we know it isn't actually his sword, because they tell us it was there before, and it started shifting to dark the day that happened

[gilded stump]

That's just because he's piercing it at unlimited mach speed and it just burns up

[sacred zodiac]

its just a set piece that is pointy i think its a bit of a stretch to say that it looks like his sword

[smoky kayak]

idk man, it's a pointy thing with the same general color/shape that is piercing the cavern in a non-natural way

[sacred zodiac]

the light/dark infused pointy thing that is wielded by a titan who doesnt interact with either forces?

[smoky kayak]

kinda one of those "if I had a nickle for every time I came across this, I'd have two nickles, which isn't a lot but kinda weird"

[gilded stump]

Look man making a sword out of a crystal is generally just as bad as an idea as folding shitty steel a million times

[sacred zodiac]

i agree that initially it seemed related but thru 2 minutes of questing it kinda doesnt seem related

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, I know, they've been very clear that it's not

[gilded stump]

It has to be Naaru related because of the light void shifts

I'm willing to bet my right nut on it

[smoky kayak]

but if you open your eyes and look at the damn thing, it's so incredibly coincidental that it defies logic that there just so happen to be two giant pointy crystal looking things stabbed into the world

[gilded stump]

Maybe it's Arathor related after all he is the ultimate candidate for "The Child of Light and Void"

[smoky kayak]

maybe it's azeroth's sword, she has one just like Sargs

[gilded stump]

The whole point of it all that azeroth isn't yet a titan

[smoky kayak]

no, azeroth is a titan

just a gestating one

[gilded stump]

How can she have a sword if she has no arms to wield it

[raw kayak]

😵‍💫

[gilded stump]

Isn't she a titan soul not a titan yet

Did they retcon that again?

[smoky kayak]

I mean I think that's kinda splitting hairs

[gilded stump]

This is the best of a discussion you gonna get in Skyhold

[smoky kayak]

we don't actually have any idea what a fetal titan looks like in the first place

[gilded stump]

I thought that titan souls and titans are very distinct things very different from each other

Which is why azeroth is so prime for cosmic beings fighting over it

[smoky kayak]

no they have never elaborated

we just know that titans start out as cosmic energy, a planet grows around them like an egg, and then they eventually "awaken" into a full fledged being of some sort

exactly how, or at which points, that takes shape is comletely unknown

[frigid lava]

anyone plays ret paly

[smoky kayak]

and again, blizz probably doesn't entirely know either, because they literally make this shit up as they go

[raw kayak]

my partner also immediately suspected giant naaru and she's a huge lore nerd so I think ur onto something

[gilded stump]

I'm the big brained warrior here

[smoky kayak]

but like Argus for example was both an awakened humanoid titan and the planet still existed (partially, anyway)

[gilded stump]

You got any [citations] for that

[warm olive]

so, the left one is your favorite, huh?

[gilded stump]

I always thought planets were created by titans and some of them developed a titan soul on their own

[gilded stump]

I already lost that one

[smoky kayak]

it's in A Thousand Years of War

The first and most vulnerable stage of a titan's life, world-souls originate as masses of energy spun out into the Great Dark Beyond at the moment of its creation, eventually finding comfort in the warmth of a sun. In time, a planet coalesces around the newly-formed world-soul, protecting it as it grows.

[warm olive]

if you only got one, how do you know if it is right of left?

[gilded stump]

I never thought about it that way

[warm olive]

someone gotta ask the real questions here

[gilded stump]

Is that canon? I never even heard about that

[smoky kayak]

no its fan fiction 🙄

[gilded stump]

It's a legit question though

Remember Medan?

[smoky kayak]

Medan was decanonized though, key difference

and how am I supposed to answer that question lol? "no, I made it up"

[gilded stump]

I thought you just might know

[smoky kayak]

yes, I know it's canon, which is why I cited it

I wouldn't have if it weren't

[gilded stump]

Alright ok I conceit

[gilded stump]

I would tbh I love spreading misinformation

[smoky kayak]

take a gander around the wiki, can see the sources for yourself

but it's also very key to remember that blizz makes this shit up as they go, and change it as they see fit

so none of it really matters, all we know is what has vaguely been said - very few specifics are ever given (and for good reason: see Shadowlands trying to pull back the curtain on everything)

[gilded stump]

Yeah I know I have the chronicles at home

I don't consider shadowlands canon because I (main char syndrome) didn't play it

[flat willow]

best way to look at the lore tbh

If I didn't do it, it didn't happen

teldrassil is still a beautiful 5 poly stump in the middle of the ocean

[gilded stump]

Best way to play

[balmy kindle]

i dont wanna admit it, but after a day of heroics i have to say slayer >> colo, reap the storm does bonkers damage

[flat willow]

I'm sad I missed the demolish discussion earlier so I'll say it now, I don't like how monks run and punch at the same time during fist of fury

[limpid hornet]

Sorry to interrupt the lore stuff, do we have numbers anywhere to compare fury and arms pls ?

[flat willow]

I think monks should self root themselves every 15 seconds for my immersion

[gilded stump]

Monks should be in the capital and archive scrolls and books like irl monks

[flat willow]

exactly

[gloomy current]

Is there like a weekly guide of what you should try and get dine before each reset

[gilded stump]

Wowhead has something like that and most wow content creators have a video about that

There just isn't much to do right now except grinding PvP maybe

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, get your four delve keys, that's about it

[gilded stump]

Also don't spend them yet

Might be obvious but better to say it anyway

[slow saddle]

spend them on alts to get rep 😉

[gloomy current]

this is the kind of thing, how do you even get those

past 3 expacs ive done zero trades and didnt even finish story this one, i wanna try to stay ontop

usually just powerlevel and grind straight pvp/m+ ignore rest

[manic ice]

Finish the story

[nova marsh]

I'm just hyped for the last tier of delves

[gilded stump]

World event

[nova marsh]

That aotc achievement sounds fucking awesome

[gilded stump]

I couldn't do tier 11 on beta because it was to laggy and I couldn't handle the chain casted 2 million damage casts

[nova marsh]

I mean

[gloomy current]

i cant get wowhead website to work

[nova marsh]

Launch has been pretty damn stable for the most part so I think they've tined the optimization

[gloomy current]

im flying blind

[woven wasp]

if you ignore the AH sure

[nova marsh]

Talking about gameplay

The ah is fucked beyond belief

Blizz if I see one more "couldn't find that item" I'm throwing hands

[gloomy current]

im trying to buy shit now

its very painful

[nova marsh]

After the pain of getting a new helmet crafted I'm not touching the ah till s1

That was awful

[smoky kayak]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/what-to-do-at-level-80-in-war-within-346163

[quasi torrent]

log out

[gloomy current]

ty, sorry to be annoying but i just cannot get wowhead to work for me

[smoky kayak]

only thing they didn't cover is you can also get 590 blue gear crafted for next to nothing

[quasi torrent]

where are you from

[gloomy current]

like what mental state

mostly good

[quasi torrent]

No, country wise

[gloomy current]

, or florida

amera

wait

[quasi torrent]

huh odd

[uncut shard]

Amera

[gloomy current]

AMERICA!

its the only website im having issues with

it loads then freezes then crashes everything

[quasi torrent]

Tried diff browser, diff DNS, vpn?

[gloomy current]

i could try edge

lord help me

[quasi torrent]

edge is just chrome with a skin now tbf

[gilded stump]

Edging is not good for you

[gloomy current]

i didnt play the last like 9 months of df