arms

[fresh spire]

We all want the sudden death thunder clap back

Was goated and really would.be nice with sks

🙏

[gaunt owl]

no fun allowed

fun part is they did SD with 2 stack

when it would have been so glorious for fucking S3

https://tenor.com/view/slowpoke-thinking-gif-20733792

[thick kelp]

@magic canopy Nice yap sesh 👍

[thick hamlet]

is there significant delay on most arms abilities daamage numbers, or is it world lag

[wary dune]

Is there anytime we would prio the damage from cleave in ST with collateral damage? After a cleave window for example.

[mighty lance]

Why do devs think that CDRs are fun when all the cooldowns stop sinking because of it

[versed carbon]

Guilds are cross realm right ?

[ornate eagle]

Si

[slow saddle]

ye its simple if u played good Cds Should align, punishment if u play bad they dont

then cdr is awesome

[empty sluice]

It would be glorious If that set was in talents

[astral yarrow]

Love having to mash execute asap to not overwrite a proc

[late nacelle]

do i miss out on anything at all if i level my alt mainly from queuing normals ?

[astral yarrow]

Unless you want to do quests for rep or achievements no

[late nacelle]

ok , thanks m8

[marble steppe]

is arms good now?

[thick kelp]

[abstract vale]

[severe terrace]

Hey does anyone know if Befouler's Syringe is still farmable? (The top ilvl world guy has it)

[summer heath]

Still hard time deciding

[wanton sierra]

make arms great again

[uncut parrot]

dumb question, not played arms since BFA: what is the no. targets criteria for sending bladestorm after avatar/TR/TC opener etc.?

instead of SS

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715 go look at any of the guides in here because you way out of date

[uncut parrot]

I have I have dw, I'm looking for that specific bit of info which isn't in the wowhead guide. In fact it doesn't mention no. target-based rotation changes at all

[minor gust]

Because it doesn't exist anymore I suggest reading the whole guide and getting an idea where arms is at now

It's been a long time since BFA

[uncut parrot]

I am aware of how arms plays - I have been playing it all week. I am looking for some guidance on how to approach using sweeping strikes for it's FULL duration before sending bladestorm or not. Is there generic wisdom on the number of targets at which using Bladestorm/Cleave/Thunderclap over doing 2 target cleave with sweeping strikes becomes preferable

I don't know how to explain it more clearly

Or are we just accepting that SS is just passive cleave that we get damage from the extra MS's from bladestorm etc. at high targets

[minor gust]

You cannot cleave MS from bladestorm with SS

[boreal quartz]

Ss is more dn damage regardless of targets >2

At 4 you cleave in sweep at 3 u ms iirc

[uncut parrot]

and at say 8 targets that live for a while

[olive nest]

Didn’t they just make it so that the free MS from unhinged don’t get swept by SS

[minor gust]

They did a week ago

[olive nest]

Yeah so just send SS first global after BS ends and then continue prio

No more thought needed

[minor gust]

^

[uncut parrot]

noice thanks

no thoughts

[olive nest]

@thick kelp sir, what have you been doing as far as when cleave becomes > MS

[minor gust]

If you are in an AOE build running FOB SS is cleaving the slams from cleave

[olive nest]

I’ve been out of the loop since TWW launch so I don’t want to give bad advice

[minor gust]

Your gonna cleave at 2 targets with Fob

[thick kelp]

2T ss down and no EP, 3T ss up but still pressing cleave almost on cdr

feelycrafting it ngl

since reapthestorm so broken from cleave

[wanton sierra]

hey but we got 2 ss now with ava... i heard SS dont work mortal strike from bladestorm, but how about ravager?

[minor gust]

It's the same

You can't cleave unhinged

[frigid lava]

are people buying this for raid?

or something else

[olive nest]

Absolutely not wasting my gold with those

Unless they’re 2g ea

[frigid lava]

It's selling for 1200g+

EACH

[olive nest]

Exactly

[frigid lava]

I'm banking with this scam

[olive nest]

Not even remotely worth unless you’re raiding with echo or limit

[wanton sierra]

damn idk how u get so muchh gold, im poor as heck

[frigid lava]

I'm just doing things and keep checking if the bag is up for tank queue

[boreal quartz]

Ye good guilds that prog early need that 600 stat

And have that gold

[olive nest]

Milk it out

[boreal quartz]

If it's only 2 Mil per raider or so that's payable

Imagine the chinese guild did 1k on tindral pre aug rune

[frigid lava]

one wipe = 1200g * 20

[boreal quartz]

So 400 * 20 * 1000

[olive nest]

Yeah exactly

[frigid lava]

24000 + repair + other drugs per wipe

[olive nest]

That 600 stat will not help your average mythic raiding guild kill a boss on heroic week

It’s literally throwing away gold

[boreal quartz]

Top guilds use it

[olive nest]

Of course

They spend 100s of millions every race

[boreal quartz]

Depends on wr again

[wanton sierra]

my guild was trash and ppl wanted us, poor as heck, to buy it... i mean on other seasons

[boreal quartz]

Top 10 spends a lot less than top 5

[frigid lava]

how do they fund this?

[boreal quartz]

Boosts

[hazy flower]

they boost all season

[olive nest]

They sell boosts every day for months

[hazy flower]

their reclears

are actually boosts

[boreal quartz]

They do like 5 full mythic per week

[frigid lava]

god damn that's a lot of work

[hazy flower]

for owl i.e. they just took 2 people and sold them boost, that's like 10m at least depends how far into the season

[boreal quartz]

Yes

[hazy flower]

early on it was a lot more expensive

[boreal quartz]

And then its 10 days + HC week of 12h a day

Full slam

[frigid lava]

who pay for boost anyways? it's not like they earned it.

[boreal quartz]

Rwf is insane

[boreal quartz]

Oilers

[fringe moon]

Aren’t augment runes worth roughly 0.1% dps?

[frigid lava]

oilers?

[boreal quartz]

If you want the mount and 14 mil is fine

[olive nest]

You’d be surprised loads of people buy boosts

[boreal quartz]

Off you go

[frigid lava]

for achievments?

[olive nest]

AH goblins always buy the Mythic mount

[hazy flower]

mount achi items

[minor gust]

a ton of ppl buy mythic boosts for the mount

[hazy flower]

w.e the reason can be

they got gold

[minor gust]

its insane

[frigid lava]

I don't get it...

[minor gust]

how obssesed mount collectors are

[olive nest]

What’s 10M for a mount when youve got over 100m in stock that you can flip markets with

[frigid lava]

What's point of playing lol

u just pay for things

[boreal quartz]

What if you are a m+er and have bazillion Gold from boost

[olive nest]

Some people enjoy playing to make gold

[boreal quartz]

And want early raid gear

Like they boost before Hof is even half full

[frigid lava]

then i go raid

[hazy flower]

and u randomly find a guild that will take u and that can easily reclear last boss?

[boreal quartz]

What if you dont wanna prog

[frigid lava]

I'd rather earn it myself.

[boreal quartz]

Just slam m+ in full gear

[olive nest]

The thing about “earning” in this game now days is so many people just buy the highest rewards that it doesn’t even matter anymore nobody cares what you earned

[frigid lava]

it's the experience

[olive nest]

That’s fair yeah for some it’s definitely rewarding to earn

[frigid lava]

There are achievements that I still cherish because it was hard af

[minor gust]

gone are those days

[nova marsh]

Fuck earning

[minor gust]

unfort

[nova marsh]

I just want gear by any means for higher keys

[frigid lava]

If I paid for it.. it would just have $$$ sign on it.

U just needed +8 to get highest gear

last season at least

[nova marsh]

It's 10s now

[frigid lava]

10s not hard

[nova marsh]

And I want to go higher then weekly keys lol

[frigid lava]

yea but gearing is easy

[olive nest]

You over estimate peoples capabilities in WoW

[frigid lava]

after that... you just have to get better

[olive nest]

A 10 is very hard for a lot of people

[nova marsh]

Me included cuz of massive skill issues

[frigid lava]

I'm not even that good

i just play for fun

[wanton sierra]

i spended those whelpling crests, since its worthless later on... we shall equip with season and we shall never usem those lil crests

its not whelpling anymore

weathered harbirger

[frigid lava]

yea I'm spending them too

The season doesn't start for two more weeks

[boreal quartz]

People are unfathomably bad

Like no flame but some people genuinely need hekili to parse green

[frigid lava]

so they just pay for it

[boreal quartz]

Some do some dont

[latent moss]

its not the rage

blord is bad cause ms means nothing

without buffs

if they removed MP

blord would skyrocket

[minor gust]

MS is the new slam

[latent moss]

same with exhil blows

they woudl skyrocket in value

[frigid lava]

aug rune is 1900g now. Jesus

[fringe moon]

Yes…wish they’d just buff the base MS and removed the OP modifier

Or added modifiers to battlelord and exhilarating blows.

[frigid lava]

u kno what needs buff? dreadnaught

[fringe moon]

I hope they tweak arms. But I guess I’ll have to wait for the mid patch. Too late for them to change anything now

[vale gorge]

It's me or Fury is really more strong than Arm ATM ?

[minor gust]

its heroic dungeons

things die in 10 sec

ofc fury feels stronger

[fringe moon]

Even in m+, fury was way stronger

[minor gust]

not really

[frigid lava]

s4, arms ruled

[minor gust]

their very close in M+

[latent moss]

why

its like 4-5%

for a single point

[fresh spire]

Press ms

[edgy solstice]

just gimme dracthyr warrior so i have 3 knockups in a 25 second span

[fresh spire]

That's if they don't gutt it in half

One to evoker one to drathyr

[edgy solstice]

even still, shockwave > tail sweep > shockwave

but ya they should nerf it

[fringe moon]

Would a dracthyr warrior also get hero?

[edgy solstice]

no

lust is evoker

[fringe moon]

Ahh ok

[edgy solstice]

what's under dracthyr racial is the two knocks and perception buff

and something else idr

[fringe moon]

I forgot haha. Forgot that dracthyr was the race and Evoker was the spec, lol…

[edgy solstice]

well no other class has talents in the class tree that affect specific racials either so it's a bit confusing

[frigid lava]

and I thought aug was the class for seasons... then it was just a spec

[edgy solstice]

1.5% mastery is the other

and glide ofc

[summer heath]

So right now WW Monk/Enchance Shaman or Arms Warrior for TWW expansion (i know it's not melee friendly)

[gaunt owl]

people saying its not melee friendly are crybaby

they just cant handle having to do mechanics and stop dps for 5 sec

[frigid lava]

I don't care if its not melee friendly lol

I can't play ranged.

[edgy solstice]

we go through this "melee-unfriendly" discourse every xpac anyway

[frigid lava]

There's gotta be some melee unfriendly dungeons and fights.

[edgy solstice]

and while it tends to mostly hold weight, it's not really any significantly diff than the past

hopefully

if anything i feel like the indicators for mechanics are a lot better in tdubs dungeons so it's not as unforgiving for melee

[wanton sierra]

true, every expac we hear "damn, if you play melee you play hardmode!"

[fresh spire]

Your brain isn't stupid enough to play boring easy ranged spec

Smh

[wanton sierra]

the same way every year there is an "wow killer" XD

[gaunt owl]

wow is dying

[edgy solstice]

save me riot mmo

[summer heath]

Yeah honestly out of 3 spec/class which would be easier to get into as main ?

[fresh spire]

Didn't riot mmo die

[wanton sierra]

only wow can kill itself

[edgy solstice]

nah riot mmo did a "reset"

[fresh spire]

[edgy solstice]

aka it's gonna be in dev longer than ashes of creation

[edgy solstice]

all 3 about the same in terms of difficulty curve i'd say. just shoot for theme

[wanton sierra]

this is bad

[edgy solstice]

ya

[digital oak]

Lmao is this actual "non melee friendly xpac"

[edgy solstice]

hard to be optimistic but riot usually pumps when they actually put a game out

[summer heath]

or go frost DK ?

[edgy solstice]

the melee unfriendly shit stems from a couple classes losing their extended range talents i think

which doesn't apply to us

[thick kelp]

every expac is melee unfriendly

[uncut pasture]

easiest is Arms/Frost in my opinion, but if you're wanting to find a new "main" then the complexity shouldn't matter as much as which spec you prefer to play as

it's hard to stick with a single spec if it's not something you enjoy

[thick kelp]

Fury ret

are the easiest melees to play

especially ret

with their extended range

[uncut pasture]

out of this list though

[latent moss]

arms is simple but a lot more punishing

than ret fury

[thick kelp]

ahh out of that

idk ww is kinda simple

[uncut pasture]

i wouldn't know, energy specs always feel weird to me

[bright whale]

What race makes solid warrior to 80 ?

or wait for Earthen to come out ?

[sacred zodiac]

it really doesn't matter, pick what you think is coolest

[nova marsh]

Kul tiran ftw

[uncut pasture]

worgen, Running Wild is BiS mount

[nova marsh]

Can't even fly thou

[bright whale]

RIP Unless your a worgen druid

[nova marsh]

Also hay maker is hilarious

[bright whale]

I might try Earthen Warrior next week for now illl play as Frost DK for now

to get that final achievement

[nova marsh]

Earthen not being able to wear gloves makes me not care

[wanton sierra]

earten armored with the teeth talent works? i mean they got 10% more armor right?

[nova marsh]

Yes it does but it's not as big as you think it is

[wanton sierra]

that talent weight is high... every build shall run it

[nova marsh]

Well yeah

But like I said, we've already run the sims, and warriors in general get some pretty low returns on main dtat

This was discussed several times during the beta

[wanton sierra]

i was not here, i was playing classic era

[granite portal]

Do you guys play Collateral Damage?

i thought that this would work with Unhinged due t o WoWhead article about talents but i see that this doesnt make any sense

[wanton sierra]

its outdated i belive, i read about using SS and then ravager to get many stacks of demolish.... but i think it got nerfed

i do play with colateral dmg, its good dam

[boreal quartz]

@thick kelp does compa stompa give xp

[boreal quartz]

cd is for the aoe build ye

[thick kelp]

@boreal quartz

[boreal quartz]

FUARK

gna level the pvp char rq

just spam dung or

[thick kelp]

yy

[wintry dome]

[pallid linden]

Whats the best atm arms Or fury for m+ dps wise?

[granite portal]

i think fury is better due to burst potential like rn

but when season will kick in its hard to tell - probably we gonna see

[fresh spire]

The longer something stays alive the closer arms and fury will become when it's talking about aoe.

Target cap is something to consider as arms likes more than 5 where fury just gets hard capped by ww

But not often you have long sustained 5+targets

[vapid bay]

guys i am confused with the aoe opener on slayer, do i SS after bladestorm?

[slow saddle]

Yes

Unhinged was nerfed so no interaction with bladestorm and ss

[vapid bay]

yea i know and its awkward

[slow saddle]

Why?

Roar avatar bladestorm

Thats smooth

[vapid bay]

cs with ss?

[slow saddle]

Thats what i do

[vapid bay]

ok thanks

[slow saddle]

But so hard to tell when ?+

Might be up to kill length and shit

[vapid bay]

its a lot of cooldowns i get confused

and now sks in the mix

[slow saddle]

Not in m+

Imma gamba on juggernaut build with less bleed dmg

Hopefully its good

[vapid bay]

i follow the m+ build in wowhead it has sks

[slow saddle]

Ok, havent tested sks, its hcs atm

Shit is gone

[vapid bay]

yea

[slow saddle]

But sks send with roar

And 1 time without

[vapid bay]

but then i need SS to send sks

[slow saddle]

But ye sks is arkward

[vapid bay]

this is why it becomes awkward

considering that i shouldnt ss with bs

[slow saddle]

Not rly though. Just no ss

Problem solved

[vapid bay]

well yeah

[slow saddle]

U should pri biggest target

Cleave sks is not that valueable for clear speed, id say

Most packs have 1 biggie b

[vapid bay]

aight cheers man

[slow saddle]

👌

[clear rain]

so do i wait for crafting @hallow mortar

ur suggesiton is

crafting anyhting is better now?

[slow saddle]

dont craft anything with spark no

but crafting 590s is fine

[frigid lava]

2 weeks later, all will be replaced by M+ gears

[fringe moon]

lame...class tuning today and nothing for warriors

[olive nest]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[latent moss]

ok so they can tune hero talents

for specific spec

[thick kelp]

noted

[latent moss]

although ngl

i dont know how they would buff thane for st

an interesting buff

not lightning strikes damage increased by 300%

i hate how a lot of slayer arms st is slayer strike

kinda wish they put that into execute or ms or something

[minor gust]

can increase the amount marks buff exe by

[steep osprey]

Yeah

Execute is giga strong for arms slayer is it not

I was testing it on st and it was 2nd on damage

If not close to MS

[steep osprey]

I like slayers strike tbh

[smoky kayak]

they've done a couple of these for Wars as well, just not much

[ebon ridge]

We safe Arch?

[steep osprey]

Why you asking him that

[smoky kayak]

Well, there weren't any Warrior changes and they didn't buff any of our main competitors
so yeah, I'd say things are pretty safe for Wars atm

[oak quartz]

Tomorrow? who knows

[shadow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/785109237135179809/1098200167380963388/4x-2.gif

[jolly goblet]

arms or fury actually? whos stronger for m+?

[olive nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/355835707878801419/1080965436868415528/cat-chomp-fireball.gif

[nova marsh]

Fury is ahead in all aspects to my knowledge

HOWEVER

This is pre week 1 tuning

[steep osprey]

No it’s not

Not single target

[tidal arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/fury-warrior-wotlk-wrath-world-of-warcraft-warrior-gif-26902442

[zenith warren]

leveling a bit with demolish and it is a decent button to press, when hasted it is fast af

I wish that they only made it usable without a target and slightly more range

[shadow ibex]

its mega slow at cap

when you have like 8% haste

def needs to not have a target req and just be like plunderstorm axe

[zenith warren]

I think with some tunning and polishing it could be a banger in future seasons

[shadow ibex]

i think thats inevitable but they just need to do it now

we'll get more MS crits/more casts as we gear up

the time between casts will shrink more

[zenith warren]

so I havent played much yet, will charge weaving come back because of a lower rage gen?

[shadow ibex]

no content is out that would even let you really

things are dying too fast

[zenith warren]

was thinking of upcoming raid theoretically

[shadow ibex]

when we can fight raid bosses you can probably fit it in. but you could also do that during DF just no reason to

[zenith warren]

probably true

[shadow ibex]

if you have the empty global and swing timer no reason not to but i dont think it's as significant as it has been in the past

like we charged weaved a fuck ton in uldir for example i dont expect that level of it

[zenith warren]

last time it was used was SL iirc, once or twice on a boss fight and that it

if you had literally nothing to press

I think even robot showed some weaving then

[smoky kayak]

you could, but you generally have more than enough rage, especially as slayer

[cunning sleet]

Out of curiosity, why isn't it worth crafting a wep for arms (according to wowhead), even though you can have darkmoon ascension on it?

[teal fossil]

isnt that an embellishment

[cunning sleet]

it is

[teal fossil]

dont the crafted weapon ilevel still cap out at below mythic track weapons?

[cunning sleet]

They do, but it's still done for fury

As in, even though it's lower ilvl, the fury guide says to craft the weapon

[slow saddle]

last time i checked it was recommended but the asterix was that they havent finished sims, nor have they shown wether it stacks fast enough? if not its purely ST and then versa setup is prob more valuable

[teal fossil]

for fury, offhand wdps is less important

but the proc is still at full power

so its likely more valuable there if the proc is strong enough

[cunning sleet]

I see. Thanks.

[teal fossil]

again embellishments are still WIP

need to wait for sims to be finalized

[slow saddle]

yeah, im not crafting anything id say weapon is prob still a big thing to craft as arms for initial power

even non embellished

in theory at least

[minor gust]

First boss in the raid drops a wep so no I wouldnt craft for initial power

[random kelp]

Maybe a stupid question, is there a macro to combine execute and slam into one button, preferring execute? Since execute replaces slam as rage spender in execute range, and before that you'd generally want to spend sudden death over slam

[woven wasp]

no

[frozen bramble]

Not to my knowledge

[latent moss]

cant do that

[woven wasp]

macros cant do thinking

[latent moss]

"what about bb ramp macro" incoming

[steep osprey]

Here’s an emote of macros

[woven wasp]

got any more mail equipped buddy

[gaunt owl]

why everytimes its a macro question

its always some cursed as shit fuck for laziness

[thick kelp]

Arms has too many buttons

obviously

[gaunt owl]

i dont want to push button

people enjoy 3 button gameplay

and still they want less

but more utility

[frozen bramble]

Well in Rift you could macro every button that had a cooldown together 🤣

[gaunt owl]

so more button

[gaunt owl]

yeah i know it was cursed as fuck

and i actively participated in doing them

you had like 15 lines of macro

[steep osprey]

[bold granite]

Just set a modifier

You get basically what you want

[random kelp]

Ty

[random kelp]

Close enough, ty

[bright whale]

Guess ele shaman are doominging

[livid thunder]

is it worth it to have separate keybinds for rend and thunder clap?

currently got them on 1 and 5 respectively and its kinda weird

[bold granite]

Nah

Inconsequential

[livid thunder]

nice

so just TC then

[magic canopy]

:xanning:

[gaunt owl]

[quasi torrent]

[grave mulch]

phewwww. Arms dodged the nerfs in the weekly reset

[summer heath]

So overall would NElf Female make good warrior ?

for pve/pvp ?

Cause torn between Frost DK or Arms for low apm

[rare kite]

nelf always good for m+

[summer heath]

what about raiding wise ?

[rare kite]

not the best not the worst

[minor gust]

why the specification of Female

[summer heath]

Gah torn between both frost dk or arm and enchance shaman reee 😭

[rare kite]

https://wheelofnames.com/ let the wheel decide

[summer heath]

Idk want to have fun but low apm but want to able to ez chill time killing rares and such

[grave mulch]

ITS DECIDED

[bright whale]

Arms > Frost DK > Enchance shaman for apm wise

[rare kite]

HELL YEAH

[bright whale]

Arms has easier time pvping as well alot of fun

[warm galleon]

On ST do you tc or rend same rage right?

[leaden vine]

am i the only one that feels like cleave should be a mortal strike replacement for cleave builds instead of whirlwind

or is that a wild take

just feels like so much button bloat lol

[royal escarp]

if you do that how do you mono target dps in M+

[broken arrow]

With Cleave, duh

[vernal crypt]

more damage when only hitting 1 target i guess

[leaden vine]

yeah smth like that

[broken arrow]

Sweeping Strikes just being passive would be cool. I used to only play Frost mage and they basically have that

[nova marsh]

Ss feels silly as an active

You could probally rework collateral to give a flat buff evrey x amount of abilities swept

[rare kite]

100%

it used to be passive in legion

good times

[nova marsh]

It'd also help to just cut down on botton bloat

Which I think arms really needs

[shadow ibex]

been a suggestion floating around for years but blizzard no fun

[broken arrow]

Oh nice, I'm new to warrior so excuse me if my fresh takes are heretical 😄

[nova marsh]

They arent

Ss kinda poopy

[royal escarp]

do you have gap i your cycle and have to slam or it s only me

[shadow ibex]

rend and tclap really dont need to be two seperate buttons either

[nova marsh]

I don't think that's the real issue

The real issue is the added buttons esoically for collusus

Demolish, ravager or bs, sks...all of them are just auto takes now

[shadow ibex]

storm of swords is also dumb

we dont have rage problems casting cleave in AoE

[nova marsh]

Storm of swords was fucking murdered

And it's criminal

[shadow ibex]

by the time cleave CD is up you'll have rage to cast another

its not like it also removes the CD to let you get an insta cast off

[nova marsh]

Like the rework dosent even make any sense

Espically if you're playing slayer

Because slayer just had more rage free casts

Idk make SoS cast cleave when ms is swept

[shadow ibex]

not even talking about hero talents just from base kit it makes no sense

[nova marsh]

That'd be neat

[shadow ibex]

casting 20 rage cleaves and spend a whole point in the middle of a tree to sometimes get a free one

[native tree]

Hey all rather new to warrior and got linked this spreadsheet by a friend and wondered is it accurate as it seems that arms wins out on ST over Fury? any help or info would be great ty (see link to sheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Us4SYeq2fr3sG-iv1ADOORaO5NZqXFhQdt7UJzpfro/edit?gid=139025339#gid=139025339)

[shadow ibex]

you couldnt starve yourself spamming cleave if you tried

[nova marsh]

Even in df it was literally impossible to get rage starved in aoe

Unless you played fob

[nova marsh]

I wouldn't trust early sims

APLs are still getting worked out

[native tree]

Aww ok do we know if Arms is likely to be viable for mythic or will Fury shit all over it?

[opal folio]

Tune into the race to world first

[nova marsh]

Bro arms will be a good play

[native tree]

I love Arms the feel and way it looks but being told FURY FURY FURY haha

[nova marsh]

Play what you like dude

[opal folio]

^

[nova marsh]

Fury isn't 20 miles ahead of arms in fact they're quite close

[shadow ibex]

We haven't seen any spec in its live state in a raid environment

What do you want us to tell you

[nova marsh]

This too

And even then said current state is likely to change early on in the season

[native tree]

This is true will keep watch and see how things develop

Thanks for the info

[nova marsh]

Np

[shadow ibex]

Play which one you like most

If you're asking a class discord what is best, chances are you aren't playing at a level where spec is relevant

[opal folio]

Real talk though, guild can float an idea if they want you to respec, but the moments it’s threaten to bench or w/e, get up and leave

That shouldn’t be expected until at least half of fame level

[shadow ibex]

And even then if you're that good can probably find an hof guild that would let you play whatever

[opal folio]

^

[native tree]

Yeah defo not a hof guild, clearing mythic yes but nowhere near hof haha I stay in my lane

[bright whale]

NElf Arm Warrior found fun for PvE

or mechagnome

[minor gust]

yes the nelf arms warrior found fun

[flat willow]

delete shadowmeld and stoneform

[opal cairn]

Guys are warriors or dks stronger?

[bright whale]

war

[opal cairn]

Even irl?

[teal fossil]

ye

[opal cairn]

Dang

[nova marsh]

I mean

If an IRL DK and an IRL war showed off

the DK wins cuz bullshit magic

[gloomy current]

any changes to the linked build for m+ or just follow guide

[balmy kindle]

DK has nerfs incoming🤣

[opal cairn]

Irl?

[dire hinge]

other folks have already mentioned not trusting warrior sims currently, but i'd add that this spreadsheet doesn't have specs broken down by hero talents. Every spec has 2, and each has different gains 😅 . They have arms as 1.489M (this is almost accurate for Slayer, but not quite)

The current gains can be seen here instead: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit?gid=1035028190#gid=1035028190

Their spreadsheet is "pretty close" though for Arms.

they have PI as 3.7%, it's more like 3.5%, probably just due to some choices to round numbers throughout, etc.

[fossil rampart]

hey all wanted to talk about this. since demolish gives 10% more damage on the enemy depending on the stacks, is it worth quickly building like around 8 or so demolish stacks, sending it and then popping other cds?

or just ss into avatar+ravager etc. usual starter

wondering if that's gonna hinder the overall rotation

[dire hinge]

the current sims (using the fixed APLs) don't have any conditional checks for Demolish stacks currently, it just casts it when its available (within the rotation)

[fossil rampart]

cool. appreciate it

[dire hinge]

(this is for Single Target)

[shadow ibex]

for an aoe pull probably best to cleave to apply mastery to the pack

but thats not for demo stacks

its only 1 stack anyway

thats to get mast bonus on aoe part of demo

[dire hinge]

yeah, can confirm. Demolish in AoE is lower prio than Cleave (regardless of cleave buffs)

meaning, lead with Cleave, demo afterwards

[fossil rampart]

👍 thanks

[gilded stump]

How do we get priests to PI us without having to play discord kitten with them

[minor gust]

be the best zug on your raid team

[bright whale]

Any advice on playing war to 70 then 71>80 ?

[gilded stump]

I got like 2 arcane mages and 2 locks in my team it's so over

[white anvil]

Before I was running 0/2 Critical thinking, 0/1 Massacre, 2/2 rank deft exp., 2/2 bloodborne - was this wrong? Apparently the execute based talents sim higher even in dungeon slice. Just running bonegrinder since juggernaut isn't too satisfying until harder content comes out

[minor gust]

its ight arcane got trucked today

[bright whale]

since got turned away from fdk

[dire hinge]

just have fun, use Victory Rush when you kill things

[gilded stump]

I honestly doubt it's enough but we'll see

[dire hinge]

our self heal resets upon killing mobs, so you can sustain if you just target individual mobs

[bright whale]

I was cllse making fdk but decided to go Arms

[gilded stump]

At least frost dks also got hit

[bright whale]

yeah

[dire hinge]

other than that, just vibe it out

[white anvil]

I was torn between sin rogue, ww, and arms

have played leather or cloth last 4 expansions, it's nice being in plate

[gilded stump]

Ngl I haven't seen a rogue in a hot minute in dungeons the last few days

It's like they all rerolled to DH and DK

[white anvil]

being able to solo pseudo boss rares at 80 was impossible as sub rogue at the start of df despite being decked out in bis heroic/mythic raid gear lol

would just get out sustained

now as a warrior im like soloing everything in heroic blues

[bright whale]

Ohhh

even rares ?

[white anvil]

yes, even rares

although needed to spec colossus for some around the 8-12 mil hp mark

[gilded stump]

You guys are really that excited about being able to solo rares?

[white anvil]

read prior text

played rogue

[dire hinge]

arms is cozy

[gilded stump]

It just feels slow in comparison to fury

And I just don't like sks

[white anvil]

yeah, arms is definitely more cozy than rogue/mage. it's nice having a slower paced spec that is chunkier. I did heroic Fyrakk when Outlaw was S++ tier while simultaneously having 130 APM for that patch. literally burnt myself out so fast in tier 3 lol

like it's cool always having a button to press until you are grinding keys or trying to prog mythic raid encounters or even week1 heroic. it becomes a bit of a chore imo. but that's probably due to my own bias. for that reason, i don't really mind that arms is considerably slower than fury

[dire hinge]

absolutely, all preference, and it's free to swap between specs to play both

[white anvil]

yeah. it's nice to have so much spec variety. you can really play wow on a pendulum - fast this patch, slow next

ww monk is another strong contender for low apm specs that require a bit of forethought unless something drastically changed there

[summer heath]

i was looking at ww monk

[white anvil]

sin as well

[summer heath]

Not fan of rogues

[white anvil]

sin rogue has so much qol now. aoe garrote, passive bone spike, an execute mechanic that absolutely pumps in M+ (sudden demise), poison bomb, caustic brine or whatever. if you have never liked rogue, i would give sin a shot one day.

sub and outlaw have all the problems that are stereotyped about rogue, however, so those two are warranted haha.

[teal fossil]

What do you mean by passive bone spike

[white anvil]

serrated bone spike charges are automatically applied by garrote

[teal fossil]

Oh dang

That’s lit

[white anvil]

also, with poison bomb and caustic brine or whatever, you do aoe via single target dps. and ofcourse with sudden demise, you are a chart pumper since your bleeds full damage are dealt instantly to targets below X health. it's the arms warrior spec of rogue, if you will.

yeah its neat. loving warrior so far though

[gilded stump]

Pretty much all fury does is AOE through their normal rotation with the occasional ww

[white anvil]

yeah, I need to give fury a chance. I played it on beta with tier set and thought it was kind of fun. I just got flashbacks to my wrist hurting in tier 3 and spec changed back to Arms the rest of the time I tried warr.

i see a lot of fury warriors when doing random heroics. not a great sample, yeah, but it seems popular thus far

[fossil rampart]

yeah that's the point of arms. it's a class that ramps damage and yes is slow but hits super hard

those big numbers are super satisfying

[gilded stump]

Colossus is dead bro maybe next season

[fossil rampart]

yeah? how so

[white anvil]

playing arms this xpac helped me understand why frost mage is popular amongst some casters notwithstanding its viability

truly big number go brrr

although, colossus outsims slayer for arms in some contexts, no?

probably not dead - could just use a numbers buff

[gilded stump]

One week away from heroic week, outlook not so good for changes

[fossil rampart]

ain't dead by any means. has been said before they're pretty close to eachother numbers wise. it all depends on playstyle

colossus fits the arms fantasy better plus the size increase is pog

[fossil rampart]

that does not mean it's dead

[dire hinge]

slightly more suvivability as well

[fossil rampart]

and lets say arms colossus goes as it is into mythic+, sure obviously weaker than others but can 100% work in high end content

just because it's weaker doesn't mean it won't work or is dead

[white anvil]

it is true if you aren't a top 0.1% raider / m+, as cliche as this, you can pump. i remember doing mythic voti and we'd have like survival hunters come in and top the charts on some bosses cause we had to pug certain fights. survival was like ass tier around this time, yeah? while just one anecdote, it's not an uncommon story - even raid bots shows you the percentile range of your spec

often someone playing a bottom 50% spec can out dps someone playing the best spec if there is somewhat significant user error - which is quite common if the meta spec is say, arcane or fire or outlaw or what have you

[fossil rampart]

exactly and it truly does depend on the player. in some instances even if slayer sims better, if a player is better with colossus, probably will pump more on colossus

just boils down to playstyle and though i don't mind spin to win, i'd rather colossus

especially in the case of colossus/slayer, it boils down to what you can play better

[white anvil]

i do love slayer strike, albeit i imagined myself playing colossus

[bright whale]

So leveling from 71>80 and open world colossus

[white anvil]

just in practice the animation and feel is a lot better than i expected. i'm just relieved i am atleast content with both hero specs

if leveling is a big concern ... i do think i saw somewhere that colosuss outperforms slayer due to tree placement or something

but i leveled before the fix so idk if its like really that slow now or what

[gilded stump]

It literally doesn't matter you won't really struggle doing anything

[dire hinge]

yeh, perfectly fine to do that, leveling is very chill and it's easy to level with any spec and build 👍

[white anvil]

can confirm you won't struggle doing anything

[bright whale]

oh cool

[minor gust]

you can chooose neither hero talent tree and still have 0 issues leveling

[white anvil]

really understanding how much paladins, dks, and warriors have it easy mode survivability wise lol

[minor gust]

oh yeah bro your never going back

[gilded stump]

Paladins and DK got it way easier

[white anvil]

play like havoc dh or sv hunter pre survivability-buff (some new 1 min cd all hunter specs got) it was like playing a roguelike lol

[gilded stump]

No question about it

Especially if you're fury and all you have is enraged regen

[bright whale]

i have rt pally and surv hunter both kinda hurt my hand

[teal fossil]

havoc has an immunity

idk man

[bright whale]

i was going frost dk then heard about the nerf so kinda turned awsy

[white anvil]

ill zealously advocate for havoc since it's rep is so bad from legion - prob the hardest class in the game, esp when momentum is meta

[gilded stump]

Deleting your paladin will relieve your wrist pains and help to keep the population of paladins in check ✔️

[white anvil]

u can get CC'd in havocs invuln

yes - cc'd in netherwalk

[teal fossil]

doesnt change the fact that you are immune

also momentum is just something to get used to

doesnt mean its hard

[white anvil]

vanish > netherwalk

[bright whale]

Cant delete pally he progessed story

[gilded stump]

Just play it again

[bright whale]

No thaks

[white anvil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/13s3eni/are_demon_hunters_harder_to_play_than_they_used/ - while I can't find an authoritative source, and I only opened up to it since my friend was hardcore in a mythic raid guild s2, havoc has a lot of concerns that most specs dont take into consideration

like monks and sub rogues need to use a different ability every single GCD for max dps - okay, hard at first but eventually its muscle memory. havoc needs to move incessantly, even when its at their peril, for max dps

[gilded stump]

Warriors are by far the hardest class to play so no reason to feel bad for other class when you have your own rotation to concentrate on

[bright whale]

Might make Earthen monk next week

[teal fossil]

again im not saying its easy

its very different

it doesnt have a lot of transferable skills

but its not hard

it is true that no other spec will prep you for momentum

its better than the demons bite days for sure

[flat willow]

No spec is truly hard but dh is probably the hardest melee to play in m+

Maybe rogue ? I dont play rogue

[teal fossil]

rogue is def hard

[white anvil]

yeah, it is ofcourse subjective. in my opinion, as i played some of the other "hard" specs in high level content (fire mage/sub rogue/outlaw) - i don't really think cramming abilities in a window (fire and sub) or adapting (outlaw) is "tough," per se. it's like you said - a playstyle

[teal fossil]

to optimize

[gilded stump]

Nobody does

[teal fossil]

if you want to get the fabled "rogue util" you have to play it very well

keeping the mobs ontrolled

m+ havoc def takes some time to get used to

[white anvil]

i feel like i have the parses to have a little authority when i say this - sub rogue isn't as hard as it is simply tremendously anti-user friendly lol

rogues love their class tbh. ignore the forums and reddit and all that. these people are only on their discord n shit

[teal fossil]

i wont say doing the rotation is hard

but having to balance CC and damage is

keeping important mobs CCed

[white anvil]

yeah, for sure

also if we wanna broaden the scope - rogue is def the hardest pvp class

[teal fossil]

requires a ton of m+ knowledge to maximize rogue

else you are just another dps spec

[white anvil]

pve though you might make the argument no class is really "extremely hard" - some classes just take longer to adapt to than others

its really the mechanics that press you in pve

[bright whale]

Straightfoward and low apm is arms

[white anvil]

if you struggle with your class you will have a bad time in high keys

i think all things considered, fire is probably the hardest (a bit of a milquetoast take, i think this is sort of the default) - tons of buff management, tight gcd windows that make up a SIGNIFICANT portion of your DPS, squishiness besides your cheat death

i respect the fire mages out there, i got filtered by it

[gilded stump]

Fire is definitely a hard spec to perform well

Which is probably the reason barely anyone plays it

[white anvil]

guess who just got an authority of radiant power recipe drop 8)

thank you RNG

[bright whale]

oh

[gilded stump]

All I got so far is a shitty jewelcrafter toy design that's worth shit

[bright whale]

Well im gonna go for Nelf Arm Warrior

[white anvil]

felt that

[balmy kindle]

Big stick , Me smash

[reef glade]

[thick kelp]

[slow saddle]

or Nelf Fury warrior 2 Big sticks ? 😄

[balmy kindle]

2 hands swing one stick harder 🐵

[slow saddle]

ah i c we are dealing with a true warrior, i myself sir also prefer the 2handed stick approach

but in all honest double sticking is prob the better choice atm

[fringe moon]

which trinkets should we be getting for raid from heroic dungeons this week?

I'm currently running sac/essence, but sims are suggesting these odd trinkets

[boreal quartz]

sims will giga favor raw damage

when u have no gear rn

[fringe moon]

oppressive orator's larynx is currently simming the highest for me

[balmy kindle]

Think both specs are going to be close regardless, just don't like the fury gameplay where you have to squeeze buttons into tight windows.

Also I like die by sword

[frigid lava]

What trinks u guys using... I think i have every single one of them now

No life dungeon spam

[boreal quartz]

[reef glade]

[slow saddle]

Hahah but that is 100% arms as well

Sks - into roar cs windows

[frigid lava]

dang

[nocturne palm]

Sorry to bother, but I'm wondering why we take Skullsplitter over Massacre? Even as Slayer?

[wide apex]

@nocturne palm they are both talents that are dps focused. going to take a wild guess and say that one talent does more dmg than the other

[bright whale]

Scared to play as Arms though but we see how far ill go

[teal fossil]

slayer has no synergy with massacre

if anything colossus has more synergy with massacre

however skullsplitter is just better

[trail lynx]

Guys, let's say if rend runs out or is about to run out, and at the same time I get sudden death procs or my mortal strike is up, what should be the priority here ? To apply the bleed first or to use the execute procs / MS first?

[teal fossil]

SD with 3 stacks of marked for execution>MS>bleed

[trail lynx]

Thank you

[hollow jewel]

Which one is better. I dont want socket the blue one. Too expensive.

Arms Slayer*

[dire hinge]

sims will be updated soon and we have a week and a half before it matters, both being replaced rapidly with m0/raid gear the moment you get a new one

so you can hold onto both and sim if you really want, but it wont make a large impact tbh

[bright whale]

Get neck from quest ?

[hollow jewel]

Its from Hallowfall Renown 11 Quest

[hollow jewel]

Yeah, in general Im currently looking into gearing as good as I can and sometimes I wonder if Crit + Vers is better than Haste + Mastery. Those are the most common items I find. As crit is really good because of all the crit damage mods

[dire hinge]

Right, picked up on that. Arms like all secondaries, sims will be your best bet once the fixed APL goes live, but in the meantime it’s just napkin math based on your other gear so i wouldn’t lose sleep over it. You’ll likely replace it with raid week, if not M0s regardless.

[hollow jewel]

Ok 👍 thanks

[smoky kayak]

ilvl, and put a socket on it

[hollow jewel]

[sharp tendon]

No arms buffs 😩

[random ridge]

Arms need jesus

[hollow jewel]

My arms slayer is doing really well in heroic dungeons so far. I love Colossus, but I cant really make it work. There are too many factors to fail. A mob charges out of reach and your dps is gone. And you rely so much on crits. Its nice when everything stacks up and you crit. Its huge, but it does not very often happen. My biggest Cleave was 4.6mil per target on several targets with a crit. I used avatar+recklessness+ravager+collateral damage. The cleave alone was 30+ mil damage lol. It looked awesome. Only happened once. Following a sad period, I made the switch to Slayer.

[boreal quartz]

i mesn cleave has setup with CD

so you need a dungeon that isnt hc where a singular bs kills a pack

[teal fossil]

5 second patchwork sim

[quasi torrent]

5 second 13 target sim

some dogshit on use dmg trinket is bis

🤯

[hollow jewel]

The context is on the current HC content. M+ is not out yet. But also on ST my colossus is way behind slayer. Tried it on a dummy. Slayer was about 410k dps and Colossus 350k-360k dps. I have to do more testings

[hardy coral]

should i craft my bis rn?

or wait til s1 drops?

[quasi torrent]

dont craft using spark

[smoky kayak]

#1237307555961634826

[west spire]

hey guys, is war arm viable in mm or should i go fury?

[boreal quartz]

Both good, which u play depends on boss and comp most likely

[gaunt owl]

play what you like

everything is viable if you ask

[boreal quartz]

Ok but what if i wanna be thane fury on st xd

[gaunt owl]

yes its viable

you push button it do dmg

viable means so little

[boreal quartz]

It's fury so it's not viable remember

[gaunt owl]

you lose braincell swinging those 2 heavy weapon as fast as you can

and we lose ours smashing keyboard with forehead

[boreal quartz]

I wish demolish wasnt so dogshit awful root

It should be like grieftorch idk

[gaunt owl]

any% 50IQ speedrun

i would argue make bladestorm faster plz

[boreal quartz]

But you can leap!! 111

I could also just press A

For 2 seconds

[gaunt owl]

tactifully rooted to smash

[boreal quartz]

I got killed by the train in Rock dungeon

With lego i dont die there

Which is why it's so fucking infuriating

[gaunt owl]

LOL

[boreal quartz]

Cuz lego is like half the casttime

[gaunt owl]

nah

Demolish is faster

[smoky kayak]

? Demolish is shorter than the legendary

[gaunt owl]

by a significant amount

[smoky kayak]

by almost half, lol - Fyr'alath is 3s, Demo is 2s

[boreal quartz]

Fyr'alath hasted last season gear

[smoky kayak]

they're both hasted

[west spire]

ok so, in mythix for example, i should learn war arms or fury, love both aesthetics to be honest

[boreal quartz]

So it feels/felt faster

[west spire]

mythic*

[gaunt owl]

even hasted it wasnt as fast as Demolish

[boreal quartz]

Good mythic raider plays both

[west spire]

@boreal quartz okey, one is better for raid and one for M+ ? or they are both good ?

[boreal quartz]

Ive used one a significantly longer time than the other at a lot higher haste levels so my judgement is slightly skewed

[smoky kayak]

you would have needed 70% haste for Fry'alath to have been faster than Demolish at only 11% haste

Demolish also gives you a surprising abount of DR, not that it's always going to save you from any source of damage

[boreal quartz]

My thoughts on it dont really matter anymore as arent getting rid of it anytime soon

Though i hope itll slow you less in the future

[smoky kayak]

it's just placebo because you're more used to Fyr'alath

[boreal quartz]

And that yes

[smoky kayak]

you also cast it less, so the circumstance comes up less often

[latent moss]

11.1

root removed

100%

u will see

[boreal quartz]

I want it to let me move like grieftorch

[latent moss]

instead of it being a 99% slow make it 50%

slow us down but let us move

[boreal quartz]

Being almost able to dodge a thing but not making it is so grim

With lego i just knew im dead and that's that

You die with both regardless

[latent moss]

yeah just let us move normally

[boreal quartz]

Preach

[shadow ibex]

In a future patch we'll get movement

I'm excited to see amount of colossus logs

[steel portal]

is it possible to see in Details! the amount of damage blocked?

oops wrong channel 😛

[gusty oxide]

Oh my.

[fossil rampart]

you don't think it'd be awkward as hell to move while being able to channel demolish?

with such a short channel, what's the point?

with the current animation of demolish and the way the skill works, it'd feel so obnoxious and clunky

[slow saddle]

But u would die way less in m+ 🤣

[fossil rampart]

that argument is so useless, because all you need to do is use it at the correct time

[slow saddle]

Locked in place as melee is cringe

[fossil rampart]

not being able to move is a downside but in no way does it make the skill trash or bad

[slow saddle]

That combined with targeting does

[fossil rampart]

that can again be chalked up to using it at the correct time

[slow saddle]

Look mobs in nw + mist heck i csn go o

[fossil rampart]

what about em?

[slow saddle]

Holding cds forever

For "perfect timing in melee" kek

[fossil rampart]

what? gimme an example of what you're trying to say

[slow saddle]

If u do any decent pull thats a shit show

Tripple pull into spear or robot nw before 2nd boss

Theres 4 mobs with 4 different timers that spawn hole undernesth u

Mist last pulls before boss

[fossil rampart]

triple pull into spear you mean first pull?

[slow saddle]

No theres no risky casters there

[fossil rampart]

and those 4 mobs spawn the circle beneath the tank. know where your tank is, and mists pulls before last boss is so easy to dodge and move around

[flat willow]

that's not an argument, delaying it makes you lose dps

[slow saddle]

Just watch critcake play

And u will c where the issues are

[fossil rampart]

using it at the right time doesn't mean you have to delay it

[slow saddle]

Vs just slayer

[flat willow]

hahaha I love losing dps because my hero ability is a cast that roots me

[fossil rampart]

what?

[flat willow]

ofc it does

[fossil rampart]

how do you lose dps because it roots you?

[flat willow]

you are supposed to use it on cooldown, at some points using it on cooldown will kill you

therefore you delay it to not die

therefore you lose dps

[fossil rampart]

so not using it for a little bit is worse but using it and potentially dying is okay?

[flat willow]

no

neither are

that's why you make it not root you

[fossil rampart]

then you gotta choose don't ya?

[flat willow]

why

[next flame]

Demolish feels ultra clunky the root the targetting channel canceling when the mob leaves the range there is no case here

[fossil rampart]

and no, making it not root you isn't gonna solve all the problems

[flat willow]

stop changing the conversation

you said and I quote

[fossil rampart]

i'm talking to 2 people at once

[fossil rampart]

no one is changing the conversation

[slow saddle]

M8 u are just wrong

[fossil rampart]

there are perfect ideal times where you can let demolish go, preferably with max stacks for optimal usage

[slow saddle]

Slayer is far better coz we get a freedom from root

[fossil rampart]

just because you watched a critcake video doesn't make you right

[slow saddle]

Vs being rooted

[fossil rampart]

this conversation isn't about slayer being better

[flat willow]

this conversation is about demolish being badly designed

[fossil rampart]

it's about removing the root on demolish and how that won't really fix a lot

[next flame]

Removing the root it will fix alot

[fossil rampart]

how so

[flat willow]

because it allows you to move out of aoe when you use it without losing dps

[hot goblet]

Keep the root, make cs work with it

[bright whale]

lets gooo

[next flame]

Example being able to chase the target running away so you don't cancel the channel or running away from the aoe that just spawned under you

[fossil rampart]

so use it when you aren't in aoe? it literally boils down to using it at the correct time and i am certain almost all the time that'll mean you don't lose dps

[flat willow]

copy what paladin did and make demolish a follow up to colossus smash

[quasi torrent]

im sorry

[hot goblet]

The root is just a mad cause bad feature

[fossil rampart]

holding cds for a couple seconds to ensure you're safe for the channel is much better than just letting it go off cd for sake of damage

damage isn't all as a dps and in m+

[quasi torrent]

damage is damage

if u constantly hold ure griefing it

[flat willow]

you are arguing for the sake of arguing

[fossil rampart]

and dying is bad

[flat willow]

why does it root you

[fossil rampart]

arguably worse

[flat willow]

how it rooting you makes it a better spell

[fossil rampart]

what? no lol

[hot goblet]

It’s RP

[next flame]

Very often as soon as you start channeling aoe spawns under you

[flat willow]

so what are you arguing for

[fossil rampart]

i agreed that it is a downside

i am saying the root isn't that big of an issue as people make it out to be

and using a small part of our zug zug brain can fix that problem

[sacred zodiac]

theres almost no aoes in the game that can kill you if it wasnt telegraphed before the demolish

[fossil rampart]

having that 3 hit combo while moving is gonna be so clunky

[slow saddle]

Imagine if bladestorm made u standstill

[boreal quartz]

there is no upside to being rooted

if you dont wanna move

[flat willow]

original fist of fury

surprise it was garbage and changed

[fossil rampart]

i never said there is

[boreal quartz]

correct

so why refuse a QOL change

[slow saddle]

A frontal when ya tank moves weirdly

[fossil rampart]

removing the root will only make the skill feel worse

[slow saddle]

How???

[sacred zodiac]

surprise: this will kill you even without demolish talented

[violet bough]

Guys for pvp arms
Where could I eat for what to buy in terms of honor gear?
Was usually looking at the leaderboard site.. but since the season didnt start not sure if ill find anything

[next flame]

There are atleast 2 dungeons with aoe that stuns you

[boreal quartz]

#pvp

[hot goblet]

How about we can move, but it does 90% less damage for the lore

[fossil rampart]

such a small channel while being able to move will feel super clunky. the animation in of itself. literally just picture you moving while channeling demolish

[slow saddle]

U can move normally

[violet bough]

thx! Didnt see it

[boreal quartz]

[sacred zodiac]

u cant srsly argue that a tank doing a 180 with a tank frontal into u is a death blow to demolish playing like garbage

the skill has infinitely worse problems than that

[slow saddle]

Ofc not but it adds to it

[sacred zodiac]

like the weakest point you could make

[boreal quartz]

every single message paka has sent is defending demolish

i think he just likes it a lot

(he is wrong)

[fossil rampart]

right.. saying i'm wrong doesn't make it so man

[sacred zodiac]

it clearly does

concede immediately

[boreal quartz]

if i said it must be true

[hot goblet]

I’m right

[boreal quartz]

thats how the internet works

[hot goblet]

It’s a lore feature for the RPers

[slow saddle]

Ok what about the cds not aligning with demo

[fossil rampart]

you watched critcake? that dude has admitted himself he isn't the best dude to ask about demolish, he literally prefers spin to win and doesn't like the root so he will be bias

watching his vids isn't gonna make me wrong

[hot goblet]

That’s a preference

[boreal quartz]

the spell can feel "heavy" without being rooted

[fossil rampart]

it's literally a preference

[boreal quartz]

even a 50% slow would be an immense improvement

[fossil rampart]

demolish as a whole fits into the entire arms fantasy of being a heavy hitter with precision

[boreal quartz]

arms fantasy is not having enough rage to play in execute

[fossil rampart]

sure rooting has no upside and some downsides but in no way will it make the skill feel better if we're able to move

if anything it'll be more clunky

[boreal quartz]

itll be better in all relevant content

[fossil rampart]

just need to time the skill correctly, it isn't that deep

[sacred zodiac]

your class fantasy does not line up with my class fantasy

[boreal quartz]

if i cant use my cd in rashok intermission/fyrakk i1 / WHATEVERTHEFUCK

i will hate my cd

[hot goblet]

How about you can move, but IF you stand still it deals 100% more damage

[fossil rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-despair-xqcdespair-voidge-troll-gif-24691555

[boreal quartz]

rune of power yippi

[hot goblet]

Good skill

[boreal quartz]

i stopped playing my mage once they removed it

[fossil rampart]

okay see something like that can be taken into consideration, it keeps the risk which is fine but provides you with huge upside if you time it correctly

[hot goblet]

Smart

[fossil rampart]

that is a very good suggestion actually

[boreal quartz]

but what if i dont want to "time" it

but send cd on cd

cuz it has a CDR component

[fossil rampart]

then you die to swirlies and complain on here to let you move in demolish channel

[hot goblet]

That’s a fury angle

[boreal quartz]

if i have to wait 5 seconds i am already quite unhappy !

[fossil rampart]

then i suggest play fury, you aren't trynna be speedy while playing arms

quite the opposite actually

[boreal quartz]

fucks sake man

[hot goblet]

Alright phill we both reroll to mobile fotm specs come back next tier

[boreal quartz]

ok so

please tell me your IDEAL version of arms

why is the "speediness" bad

[fossil rampart]

because uh

blizzard didn't make the spec that way?..

[boreal quartz]

since when

[sacred zodiac]

they literally did lmao

[boreal quartz]

entirety of DF arms has been gcd capped as hard as fury always is

[fossil rampart]

dude no they didn't

[sacred zodiac]

you can't say "they didn't" and it immediately rewrites history

[fossil rampart]

if you wanna truly zug zug you go fury, that is truly send everything no brain

[boreal quartz]

what does AM incentivize if not zugging

what does colossus demolish incentivize if not spending your globals to cdr it

[hot goblet]

I dunno I’ve been zuggin

[boreal quartz]

arms is the same zug shit as fury

[fossil rampart]

i mean holding demolish with stacks isn't bad at all. you get more bleed damage if you talent into that and more overpower damage regardless

[slow saddle]

Remove cdr // am from arms

[boreal quartz]

i am not holding my fuckin do 3 million damage cd for op damage

[slow saddle]

If u want that fantasy

[sacred zodiac]

remove cdr in general

[next flame]

Bleed damage that rn tickles yay great trade off

[fossil rampart]

then feel free to die to a dodgeable

[boreal quartz]

you are arguing 2 things now

a) hold it to dodge shit
b) hold it to buff other shit

[fossil rampart]

uh no that is not true

just side points

[sacred zodiac]

i genuinely dont think ive died to the fyralath channel once and that ones longer than demolish

[fossil rampart]

the main thing is actually arms is not fast paced like fury

arms is a slow ramper with huge hits

[sacred zodiac]

it literally is and has been though

have you not played arms at all recently or

[fossil rampart]

alright how so

[slow saddle]

Not since bfa?

[primal hornet]

I'm seeing so much variation in talents for Arms for M+ it really looks like the wild west of specs depending on whose playing the warrior. Kinda neat to see :p

[boreal quartz]

i mean not rlly

you either go sks or jugg

and then slayer if piss content colo if not

🤷‍♂️

[fossil rampart]

asking you btw

[sacred zodiac]

phil already answered this earlier sec

[boreal quartz]

do you like juggernaut

i base my opinion on ppl on this

[slow saddle]

Jugger is shit