so you want fury with one weapon
#arms
plucky fern
got ya
bad take really, 'lets remove anything that is special in spec and just leave abilities that smash weapon on faces'
spec needs rework but god no not like this
magic canopy
the issue is all arms has is either hit big button. or bleeds
flat willow
What does tactical mean
magic canopy
and why make it bleeds when assasination rogue exists
flat willow
Arms isnt tactical, its as dumb as fury
flat willow
How
magic canopy
in terms of mix maxing its a far more delecate spec then fury is
fury legit is single target rotation on AoE
which they kinda moved in that direction of simplicity with the changes to cleave to make it far better as a button
flat willow
Im waiting for the part that makes arms hard
magic canopy
the spec itself isnt hard, but its harder then fury
and the reason i say that is becuase its harder then fury, but does not perform as well as fury
at least currently
But the reason its harder then fury is because of its gameplay loop its little sets of rules that need to be followed to min max it
brazen sigil
Can someone explain it to me like I’m 5 why slayer currently outsims colossus? Looking at the % buffs from the colossus tree it would seem colossus would be better, yet it’s not.
My guess is the procced damage from the strikes with slayer, but is that really it?
plucky fern
Can someone explain it to me like I’m 5 why slayer currently outsims colossus? L...
slayer got strong procs that outdamage % buffs from colossus
magic canopy
Colossus is pretty clunky with how it works especially when it comes to the CD on demolish. it might change later in the season as we get more crit, but as it stands slayer just performs better
plucky fern
slayers strike and reap the storm + big dmg buffs to execute with SD
thick kelp
Also amping mortal strike when mortal strike does 0 is still 0 damage post amps
Colossus lives and dies by MS power
magic canopy
becuase in aoe it does have a lot of cleave modifiers as an example, but then slayer just gets more bladestorms which not only debuff and increase damage up to 12%
brazen sigil
I see. So it’s likely a thing that’ll change as time goes by in TWW. I like both, kinda like how colossus tree has a little faux “cheat death “ (I know it’s not literally) vs what you gain as slayer
thick kelp
Colossus was ahead untill they did the -20% nerf on MS on beta
magic canopy
eeeeeh. the crit aspect of Demolish cd does have a little to do with it, but slayer just out damages it regardless
plucky fern
colossus is way better in terms of utility/survivability than slayer
but the damage part is clunky and just worse at the moment
magic canopy
the base nerf to MS really hit the spec hard
thick kelp
also the practicd strike or w/e node got nerfed on colossus
brazen sigil
Also the alterations to shockwave are interesting. Though for world stuff the extra run speed or CDR on charge/leap are kinda fun
magic canopy
tbh i was very exicted about the knockup for M+ for colossus
but the numbers just arent there
brazen sigil
In theory they could just alter the aoe aspect of demolish to make it competitive right? Doubt they would since I feel blizzard mostly ignores warriors for M+ reasons, but could be a change.
That or cleave multipliers.
plucky fern
i honestly would take a small damage loss for the utility but idk slayer just feels better to play
its smoother
brazen sigil
That’s true. One less button to juggle, basically just playing the same arms spec and it strengthening what you already do
inland wing
Would yall say arms is overall stronger rn than fury ? Saw mixed reviews and i enjoy both
inland wing
Now lol
minor gust
well now it doesnt really matter whats stronger but its currently fury
brazen sigil
Would yall say arms is overall stronger rn than fury ? Saw mixed reviews and i e...
I’m finishing my lvling to 80, but they feel comparable. Tbh I’d play what you enjoy for now because there may or may not be tech discovered to make one stronger. Or tuning
minor gust
cant really compete when fury blows everything up in the first 3 seconds
inland wing
I’m finishing my lvling to 80, but they feel comparable. Tbh I’d play what you e...
I enjoy both their playstyle 
brazen sigil
See that’s how I feel playing arms atm lmao
plucky fern
same old story
damage is almost the same, fury just has better survivability and stronger burst
inland wing
I guess we see the true stuff at mythic
brazen sigil
Almost nothing except strong elites are requiring a full rotation
inland wing
Im new to the wow world so my bad for the monkey question
minor gust
once things live longer both arms and fury will be really close
brazen sigil
Im new to the wow world so my bad for the monkey question
You’re good, that’s why these channels exist! Tbh just play what you enjoy for now and if one is substantially stronger you’ll know. 😅
inland wing
I mean what i like more about fury are the dual 2h and it feels more monkey mode lmao
violet bough
Guys
Stupid question
Can we not leap + charge anymore? I feel like.. I leap and I wait longer now to charge.. while in df s4 didnt feel this way
Is it just me?
violet bough
I mean what i like more about fury are the dual 2h and it feels more monkey mode...
I wish fury had a viable build for 2 one hand weapons 😦
brazen sigil
And if you’re not pushing mythic raid/high keys it probably won’t matter much for you either way. Most non warriors (or people that don’t play warrior) just know we’re brown class lmao
boreal quartz
Guys
Stupid question
Can we not leap + charge anymore? I feel like.. I leap and ...
Leap charge is inherently omega rare so i havent tried it
Should work tho
white anvil
this feels like important knowledge
since it does a fuck ton of dps
you can spell reflect consecrate in priori of the sacred flame
aka like half the trash mobs in the dungeon
without needing to be targeted
pretty sick tbh
minor gust
have to reflect before they cast it but yeah its a good spell reflect
rare kite
you can spell reflect consecrate in priori of the sacred flame
yes, it's very nice. too bad it's a season 2 dungeon tho so won't be relevant for a long time. and it might get removed by then
rare kite
have to reflect before they cast it but yeah its a good spell reflect
no you don't, it works that way too but you can just press sr and walk onto the edge of the consecration
boreal quartz
yes, it's very nice. too bad it's a season 2 dungeon tho so won't be relevant fo...
Knowing is knowing
minor gust
il try it again when I get that dung again but last time I tried it wouldnt reflect an alrdy down consecration
rare kite
Knowing is knowing
rest in peace stonevault spellreflects
rare kite
il try it again when I get that dung again but last time I tried it wouldnt refl...
it's a bit iffy, you need to be outside of the already down consecration. need to walk onto it
minor gust
ah thats prob it then pretty sure I was dmg by it first
they do cast it pretty consistently tho at the start of the pull wait a few seconds pop SR and its pretty easy to get everytime
snow flame
Delete demolish
minor gust
steep osprey
play both
gusty oxide
i guess i can easily adjust the stats with accessories, since in arms we yoink everything with a prio on Crit/haste
livid vector
Yuh
Basically just swap out rings and neck, should be good enough to start off with
gusty oxide
solid laurel
Wanted to follow back up here: Should I only be casting Avatar with Colossus Smash? I understand their CDs might desync a bit but the wowhead guide seems to imply you save it for it (outside of execute phase)
magic canopy
Wanted to follow back up here: Should I only be casting Avatar with Colossus Sma...
send CS whenever its up, but if its within like 5-10 seconds of avatar its worth saving
the main thing is delaying cs 5ish seconds is fine, but delaying avatar is a big loss overall
solid laurel
send CS whenever its up, but if its within like 5-10 seconds of avatar its worth...
Gotcha. I don't really have context over who is a "good" Arms warrior or not, so I'm trying to valuate what I'm reading.
To me this reads like "hey, you should only avatar when it lines up with CS"?
magic canopy
you are looking specifically at the "opener" section this is your opener
which is why you will always have avatar and cs off cooldown
but the single target priority is the same
magic canopy
thats also why it shows colossus smash below avatar by itself so you know thats your next in priority to press
so CS is always your highest priority, however in the opener or when it lines up you want to press it with avatar to maximize your damage bonus
minor gust
To me this reads like "hey, you should only avatar when it lines up with CS"?
This can help answer your avatar usage
From the maxroll guide by Revvez
solid laurel
👀 ty
late nacelle
im at 0/5 the war within campaign with all storyline of 4 zones completed
can my alt skip the questline ?
or do i have to do 5/5
devout pewter
if you're done with your main, yes
you CAN redo the quests like normal, but you can basically just jump through the portal and play as normal
late nacelle
ok , thanks man~
slow saddle
I wish fury had a viable build for 2 one hand weapons 😦
it does? just remove a bit of dmg play 1hander
shadow ibex
Demo really needs to be like fire axe from plunder
gusty oxide
it does? just remove a bit of dmg play 1hander
A "bit" is costing an important talent point, sadly
violet bough
it does? just remove a bit of dmg play 1hander
idk.. cannot find any build anywhere
Did not look on discord on here tho
frigid cipher
Theres no difference other than taking the point in smf
gusty oxide
Playing SMF is costing in auto-attacks ( even with the talent compensating) and the talent you lose.
It is viable if you're not a min-maxer sure.
But a LFGandy will see your build and nope you out, sadly
The problem solver would be to throw SMF as a passive, like frost DK with their 2h option
minor gust
idk.. cannot find any build anywhere
Did not look on discord on here tho
SMF is just taking whatever current fury build and dropping w/e weak talent you want and putting that point into SMF
weary mountain
well it is viable ?
Unless you're trying to raid Mythic or hit M11+, or you're deliberately going out of your way to create a build that doesn't work, everything is viable.
Meta matters for the absolute top tier of players, 99% of the player base doesn't need to pay attention to it.
I'm running Colossus Arms with no rend or thunder clap and it's an absolute blast, and my DPS is fine.
late nacelle
um sry noob question , but do dragonriding mounts still have passenger seat for another player?
and do i have to toggle it for another person to be able to click to get on my mount
weary mountain
Yes, and you turn it on/off in the skyriding talent menu.
late nacelle
ok , and is it this "ride along" talent point?
oh
enabled option on the right , caught it
vapid bay
hello, will both hero specs be playable or will one dominate?
i like both and cant decide lol
weary mountain
Yes to both questions.
vapid bay
haha
weary mountain
That wasn't a joke.
vapid bay
which one is looking better then?
weary mountain
At the moment, Slayer.
solid crane
is arms way too complicated this expansion or i am just stupid? i remember it being much simpler in DF
much fewer buttons
weary mountain
The button bloat is a bit much, yeah, but the rotation isn't that complex.
minor gust
its got a lil more nuances compared to DF
gusty oxide
For arms, both setups definitly are viable, with clear strenghts and drawbacks
minor gust
but arms its not that much different
gusty oxide
For each
weary mountain
Yeah Fury Slayer is the one that really stands out, gonna get nerfed for sure.
minor gust
nah
solid crane
is there any way to make it have fewer buttons even if i lose a small percentage of effectiveness? or its huge loss?
vapid bay
maybe switch from dungeon to dungeon then?
weary mountain
is there any way to make it have fewer buttons even if i lose a small percentage...
I'm running Colossus with no rend/thunder clap, focusing on Mortal Strike and Cleave resets and it's doing pretty solid.
vapid bay
idk i hope we are not stuck playing only one of them
solid crane
i tried out warrior again after leveling on my warlock and im pretty sad 😦
weary mountain
I guess replacing rend/clap with demolish is the same number of buttons though...
solid crane
will try removing stuff and see how it works
solid crane
i think they dont know what they are doing so they are just adding whatever old talent they can find
latent hull
I sae a tier list
solid crane
like skullsplitter
latent hull
weary mountain
like skullsplitter
This should be an improvement to CS rather than its own button, yeah.
Also deals with CD awkwardness with seven different CDs none of which line up.
solid crane
thats exactly what i hate, that we have many buttons to click often
on like 20-40 sec cd
why are they not just making them passive and give us a rotation of 5 buttons
weary mountain
I've actually found that dropping the bleeds and focusing on MS and Cleave resets does make Demolish's CD line up with CS quite well though.
vapid bay
oo baking sks into cs would be awesome
minor gust
Personally im comfortable with the amount of buttons arms has just make SS off the GCD
low buttons = go play fury for me
weary mountain
I have nerve damage in my hands, so I have limited hotbar space. The meta Arms build is one or two buttons too many to be comfortable for me to play, hence dropping the bleeds.
gusty oxide
Right now Demolish is a roll the dice button, if it crits, how boy you dps will skyrocket, but if not, it's flopping
weary mountain
Right now Demolish is a roll the dice button, if it crits, how boy you dps will ...
Yeah I've been using Champion's Spear to try to boost this, but my crit isn't high enough yet to make it really shine.
weary mountain
enough of a reason to never touch colossus
Okay but counterpoint, it's fun.
gusty oxide
My biggest single target demolish on the third strike was 4.2 millions
weary mountain
Bonk, bonk, BIG BONK, dopamine.
gusty oxide
Delaying a Demolish for a few seconds to avoid the parrying window of a boss won't cost much
And, but very niche, it's an immune to stun button
weary mountain
I've definitely used it to block knockbacks in some of the new dungeons yeah.
fossil rampart
thats exactly what i hate, that we have many buttons to click often
it really isn't that many buttons. you have 3 buttons which you press often depending on the situation and another 3 which are your maintenance
minor gust
Okay but counterpoint, it's fun.
all fun and games till it does not crit or gets parried! ive had enough times where CS gets parried to know pain
weary mountain
all fun and games till it does not crit or gets parried! ive had enough times wh...
Sometimes you have ups, and sometimes you have downs. Shrug it off, wait 15-30 seconds, and try again.
fossil rampart
you overpower all the time then cleave or ms depending on the situation. you roar for aoe and avatar+ravager together and sweeping strikes and cs on packs and prio damage
minor gust
my heart alrdy has to deal with MS gambling I cant do demolish too
solid crane
you overpower all the time then cleave or ms depending on the situation. you roa...
you forget bladestorm , CS execute clap
weary mountain
You can't run bladestorm with ravager.
solid crane
my issue is it feels bad having so many 20-50 sec cd
oh yeah sorry
anyway im trying to figure it out
weary mountain
Do you mean Sudden Death specifically?
fossil rampart
nah i mean execute as an ability
weary mountain
Because Execute is still Precision stacks, as well as Demolish buff and CD reduction.
It's pretty important.
fossil rampart
with sweeping strikes + ms crits and cleave
that is more than enough to ramp demolish stacks
easily, pack to pack
weary mountain
For AoE sure but not every fight is AoE.
fossil rampart
and if you mean executioner's precision
solid crane
okay
fossil rampart
for execute = more ms buff, it's negligible for me
minor gust
exe gives you colossal might stacks
fossil rampart
running battlelord has been more fruitful for more st damage in boss scenarios
solid crane
my issue is i cannot use shift hotkeys easily because of a small finger injury, so i am trying to set most often used keybinds on single buttons
hence my warrior issues
weary mountain
The easiest thing to remove is Rend/Thunder Clap and Skullsplitter. It's definitely gonna be lower damage than the meta, but you can replace those with MS reset talents and... I think I use the one that grants Overpower rage during execute.
solid crane
is it possible to play without bleed? isnt that a huge part of our damage?
fossil rampart
The easiest thing to remove is Rend/Thunder Clap and Skullsplitter. It's definit...
hell no man, rend + ss and deep wounds is like 20% of my damage overall
solid crane
i think it used to be anyway
fossil rampart
they always 10% each on my scales
ss'ing a prio target helps you chunk em down faster
weary mountain
I mean I'm still topping the meters in dungeons so it seems to be working fine for me.
But like I said, this will be lower damage... but if you want to remove buttons that's the easiest way.
fossil rampart
to each their own but to me that is just a huge damage drop for no reason
weary mountain
All other buttons make the core rotation function.
fossil rampart
also if you truly wanna just reduce buttons
have you tried GSE?
it's like an addon on curseforge
you can compact multiple buttons into one whole sequence
weary mountain
Isn't that just a macro helper? I already use a couple macros, I just make them manually.
fossil rampart
yes and no, you can make macros using that
solid crane
thanks for your advice
fossil rampart
like you can make a sequence which at a press of a button goes overpower, overpower into thunderclap
or whatever you want
solid crane
i dont wanna do it like that though, because i also wanna pvp
fossil rampart
you gotta press the button multiple times but
weary mountain
Oh, that's terrible though.
fossil rampart
all in one button
solid crane
and macros like that are not the way for pvp
weary mountain
Except there are all sorts of situations where I want Thunder Clap and not Overpower.
fossil rampart
then switch up the sequence
doesn't have to be that
you can custom make your own sequences
weary mountain
Castsequence macros have their place, but it's a specific niche. It's generally more important to have the buttons on their own when possible so you can press them when they're needed.
Very few specs in WoW have a strict 1 > 2 > 3 rotation.
fossil rampart
it's good. it works, give it a try
old urchin
The easiest thing to remove is Rend/Thunder Clap and Skullsplitter. It's definit...
I personally hate using Skullsplitter. AoE sims had Sudden Death only a 5k dps loss so I dropped SkS
Probably still keep it for ST though
weary mountain
It's still one too many buttons for me, but yeah my slayer build keeps rend/thunder clap and just drops skullsplitter.
Is raidbots accurately simming Colossus yet?
I've been wanting to test some things but it just doesn't use Demolish at all for some reason.
old urchin
Is raidbots accurately simming Colossus yet?
No it’s not using demolish. And that’s what I’m running I prefer Colossus play style.
weary mountain
Yeah, I enjoy the overall feel of Colossus too.
And it feels a lot smoother with the MS resets instead of Rend too, which is one of the reasons I'm okay with having lower damage. Gameplay > meta.
old urchin
Yeah it it just feels like arms. To me slayer arms feels like fury and just no thanks to that.
smoky kayak
Colossus really feels like it was meant to utilize those talents, just a quirk of weird tuning that they're not competitive
weary mountain
One benefit of being a lowly casual is I don't have to care about being competitive.
smoky kayak
and hopefully something they address before long
weary mountain
I've got my AotC guild and we bumble our way through M+ sometimes, and I'm happy with that.
smoky kayak
gameplay is definitely more fun with resets to help break up the rotation, that's for sure
solid crane
And it feels a lot smoother with the MS resets instead of Rend too, which is one...
can you please share the talents you are running?
weary mountain
Once I can get back into game, sure.
solid crane
i cannot figure out how to set up keybinds for everything
so i just have to reduce buttons now 😛
shadow ibex
and hopefully something they address before long
Blademaster and cleave cdr feel good
weary mountain
Oh wait, I can do it in the calculator.
shadow ibex
But Ms resets just suck
old urchin
i cannot figure out how to set up keybinds for everything
Probably because key binds are a very personal thing. You have to experiment and just see what you like and can use well
solid crane
Probably because key binds are a very personal thing. You have to experiment and...
nah my issue is too many buttons that are very often used, i am running out of "good" keybinds for 40 sec buttons
old urchin
Keep to the essentials. There’s stuff I don’t have bound and if that makes me a filthy casual so be it. I don’t bind taunt or hamstring for example.
For dungeons that is. PvP have to have hamstring bound
smoky kayak
you can consolidate rend and thunder clap to save yourself a bind
shadow ibex
I would say the colossus aoe feels better but just stacking cleave buffs really
weary mountain
can you please share the talents you are running?
I don't really use the calculator myself, so hopefully this works?
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAPAUUFUFQiUVKSFAUBAOVVEVUFVFUkRQFQCEBEFVVUBR
solid crane
you can consolidate rend and thunder clap to save yourself a bind
rend is on shift+r my issue is with the single keybinds that i dont have enough
i cannot click many shift keybinds since my hand hurts
thats my issue with this whole thing
weary mountain
Anyway I'm not actually sure that running Champion's Spear is better than Roar since I'm not using the bleeds, but I feel like crit boosting would help with Demolish crits, I just don't have enough crit for it to really matter yet. That's one reason I want to test things out on raidbots once it's fixed.
solid crane
I don't really use the calculator myself, so hopefully this works?
https://www.w...
thank you
weary mountain
Though I'm starting to think the Cleave CD reduction might be more useful than either at this point.
solid crane
is fury this bad as well?
smoky kayak
rend is on shift+r my issue is with the single keybinds that i dont have enough
so unbind Rend and use the same keybind as TC, you don't need both
solid crane
or its better button wise?
weary mountain
Fury is MUCH easier button wise.
old urchin
Ya much less button bloat
weary mountain
Especially since with the current meta build you can literally just macro Recklessness, Avatar, and Roar together.
(In that order)
smoky kayak
You don't wanna do that
weary mountain
Unless the priority guide is wrong, they have the same CD and are used in that order. At least in aoe.
smoky kayak
Fury has 10 rotational keybinds and Arms has up to 12 (though you don't actually use all of them at the same time, so it's more like 10-11)
smoky kayak
Unless the priority guide is wrong, they have the same CD and are used in that o...
it depends on your talents - if you're not using Titanic Rage, you want to Reck first and get enraged before using Avatar / Roar
gusty oxide
And fury you're just spamming these buttons, Arms is more...laidback
smoky kayak
if you're not using Titan's Torment, you want to Reck + Ava then charge, then Enrage with Rampage or Onslaught before using Roar
weary mountain
Oh yeah, I kinda assumed everybody's using the Mythic build right now on account of no raid.
So Titan's Torment was assumed.
solid crane
fml
will try out fury as well
but i think im staying warlock for now
not sure what other class has low keybinds
weary mountain
If you care about numbers Fury Slayer will blow the other specs out of the water.
smoky kayak
whether you assume that or not, the issue is that using different binds for different builds creates confusion and bad muscle memory
weary mountain
At least when all your CDs are up.
solid crane
i also tried MM hunter and it was terrible button wise
smoky kayak
you get really used to pressing a one-button macro for your CDs, then you go into a raid situation where you're not using all those talents and now you're forgetting to press Avatar
weary mountain
I already have my memory for "raid mode" vs. "aoe mode", but if people have trouble with that yeah keeping things separate might be best.
smoky kayak
Sure, people can get used to just about anything... though that doesn't necessarily make it good advice
weary mountain
Yeah, that's a good point.
I also use custom weakauras to help remind me of important stuff, so that's also useful.
smoky kayak
as one should!
weary mountain
Anyway even without macros Fury is fewer buttons than Arms. And while I wouldn't suggest it you can probably get away with not putting Slam on your bars if it's still too many buttons.
solid crane
Anyway even without macros Fury is fewer buttons than Arms. And while I wouldn't...
thanks for trying to help, i appreciate it
woven wasp
Anyway even without macros Fury is fewer buttons than Arms. And while I wouldn't...
you can just do that
weary mountain
At least in my experience I rarely need to resort to a slam, RB and BT are usually up often enough.
solid crane
i checked it out and decided to skip warrior for now
latent moss
Anyway even without macros Fury is fewer buttons than Arms. And while I wouldn't...
nah
u need slam
solid crane
will try out dk as my main alt
latent moss
on bars
solid crane
and see how it plays button wise
weary mountain
No, I mean Fury, since we were talking about Fury at that moment.
Yeah I still use slam a ton in Arms, but for Fury I think I've had to fall back to it maybe once or twice per dungeon run?
weary mountain
So it's still nice to have as a fallback, but if you absolutely have to get rid of a button.
weary mountain
its not like u are running out of binds anyway
We're talking to someone who is running out of comfortable binds.
I don't know about them, but I have nerve damage in my hands so efficient keybinding is very important to me.
Just as an example. Too many buttons too far apart on the keyboard causes actual pain after a few seconds.
latent moss
yeah in that case just unbind it
weary mountain
Though I do still keep everything on my bars somewhere, even if they're not in my keybinds, just because you can always click in an emergency.
frigid cipher
You wouldn’t press slam in dungeons any way as fury since you have improved ww
Pretty rare to need slam as fury
weary mountain
Eh, it's still technically some 20k more damage, but yeah that's not that big a deal for a "last resort" button.
smoky kayak
Anyway even without macros Fury is fewer buttons than Arms. And while I wouldn't...
tbf it's only 1 less button in most cases, 2 at the most
and you really shouldn't ever double up on redundant keybinds, which is exactly why I told @solid crane in the first place to just use the same keybind for Rend & TC
Binding Slam differently from WW from Thunder Clap is just making it harder on yourself - you can use #1237307732705415228, or just let Blizzard's own talent profile sets handle it for you
weary mountain
Yeah, the up-front damage of rend vs. TC isn't enough to bother, if you have TC just use that instead of rend even in ST.
warm olive
and you really shouldn't ever double up on redundant keybinds, which is exactly ...
This is a great call tbh, using the same bind for Rend in ST and TC in AOE is great for muscle memory
smoky kayak
Yep
which is exactly why you don't need to put Slam in a unique spot on your bars as Fury
weary mountain
Oh, I admit I completely forgot about WW's rage generation.
smoky kayak
why on earth would you want to have to remind yourself to press one button for Slam in a ST profile and a different button for WW in a MT profile? You could certainly learn to do it, but it'd be terribly inefficient
honestly, it kinda boggles my mind how many people don't set up talent profiles for this - probably one of the best QoL things Blizz has added to the game in quite a long time
being able to just make Thane ST, Thane MT, Slayer ST, and Slayer MT profiles that auto swap talents and action bars makes everything so much easier
warm olive
Archie, is fury using slam now? I thought we were free from the slammage curse in Fury after Storm of Swords
was removed
smoky kayak
warm olive
sad news
analog flicker
In terms of damage is arms better than fury in any content realistically?
With some margin for errors ofcourse
solid crane
there will 99% be many balance changes in the coming weeks
before raids open
so the current state of DPS doesnt really matter
just stick to whatever "feels" better for you
analog flicker
I have a urge to play arms but I'm unsure with the feel of the current arms. It feels a bit bad that it's so many attacks that just attack 1 target and sweeping strikes only add one additional target
I should give it a go today tho see how it feels since haven't played it with the hero talents so far
versed lagoon
Demolish is one of the best feeling buttons I've ever pressed in wow
weary mountain
I have a urge to play arms but I'm unsure with the feel of the current arms. It ...
Overpower, Cleave, Thunder Clap, Demolish, and basically all of our damage CDs are all aoe.
Well Overpower needs a talent to be aoe, but if you're in aoe content you're taking that talent.
analog flicker
Well Overpower needs a talent to be aoe, but if you're in aoe content you're tak...
Oh I must have missed that talent. I should do more research
Isn't slayer the way to go tho?
weary mountain
It is currently a bit ahead in damage, but damage isn't the only thing that matters.
Colossus is fine too.
versed lagoon
It's seismic wave from bfa right
weary mountain
The talent is called Dreadnaught.
analog flicker
Imma try it out! Is crit>haste or haste>crit the way to go? I see different things being talked about everywhere but I can have a feeling they are both reasonable claims
versed lagoon
Ngl something a balance change could alter, worry less imo
analog flicker
Yeah it's not like the gear we get now is gonna be kept for a long time
weary mountain
Definitely pick what you think is more fun to play.
analog flicker
Imma do that! Thanks for helping me out
weary mountain
Imma try it out! Is crit>haste or haste>crit the way to go? I see different thin...
Personally I enjoy haste a little more, just because being able to press buttons quickly feels better. But crit is also big on Arms especially.
analog flicker
Personally I enjoy haste a little more, just because being able to press buttons...
Yeah cause crit is rage gain and haste is more swings and gcds
deep holly
which spec is looking better for M+? Fury or arms
minor gust
their both really close for most its up to preference. For title pushing it will probably be fury
wary dune
What about for raid/ST?
minor gust
Theres only a few pure ST fights but its the same both are close and will be a fight by fight basis. Last I checked tho Arms was doing better in pure ST but not by a crazy amount
weary mountain
Honestly you'll perform better with the spec you're more comfortable with than when trying to force yourself to chase the meta.
wary dune
Im new to warrior this expansion so happy to learn both. Im raiding in DPS, but tanking M+, so leaning towards arms for similar stat distribution
But if fury was pulling ahead i woudnt mind going back and forth
minor gust
well their both close together so really preference should take priority
wary dune
Thats good to know. Thank you.
rancid willow
Do we need sparks for Everforged Greataxe?
Wowhead doesn’t mention it and I’m not in game
silk gate
Overpower, Cleave, Thunder Clap, Demolish, and basically all of our damage CDs a...
Is the colossus build better than slayer or is it pretty negligible?
weary mountain
Slayer is the one that's a bit ahead, I just enjoy Colossus more.
silk gate
Oh gotcha, okay.
woven wasp
Do we need sparks for Everforged Greataxe?
yes
rancid willow
Is it just one completed spark?
nova marsh
Is the colossus build better than slayer or is it pretty negligible?
It's about %5
silk gate
It's about %5
Yeah I thought it wasn't crazy
nova marsh
But slayer is ahead by that everywhere besides 2 targ cleave
Where collusus is ahead to my knowledge but also
Until season launch it really dosent matter
And blizz is likely going to send a lot of balance changes week 1 of the season
dire hinge
Is it just one completed spark?
yeah, you only have one at the moment
rancid willow
yeah, you only have one at the moment
Sad noises
dire hinge
you can craft gear without sparks as well
sparks are just for your Big Crafted Pieces that you'll likely wear for the rest of the season
queen yarrow
Algari Alchemist Stone any good for arms? or should I just save my spark for something else?
dire hinge
sims should be updated soon, but i wouldn't recommend spending a spark on anything yet. There's still tuning passes that can happen, and sparks are time-gated so you could set yourself back a few weeks by spending a spark. Especially when there's no meaningful reason to do so currently (there is no difficult content available)
queen yarrow
Alright I'll save it for a bit then, so tempting to just make something hehe. Thanks!
dire hinge
for sure, don't be tempted just yet haha
steep osprey
is WFT giga
snow violet
@dire hinge how do u create gear without sparks
dire hinge
is WFT giga
WFT is gone, it's now Skyfury 
(but yes it's decent gains for us)
dire hinge
<@102221603760271360> how do u create gear without sparks
sparks are needed for purple-tier items, but you can craft gear at the blue-tier without a spark (just Weathered crests) if you want pre-season boost. You can read more about it in this handy article that has all the details. It will take some gold though, since material prices are high right now
https://www.wowhead.com/news/enchanted-weathered-harbinger-crest-crafts-to-save-future-upgrade-costs-on-gear-346233
steep osprey
Exec colossus highest
not a surprise
considering the rage gen sucks for them at exec
snow violet
Ty so much ❤️ ❤️
dire hinge
sure thing, happy to help
trim skiff
btw, the execute build that removes battlelord and a point from Deft Experience is straight up -200k dps on a 5 minute 1 target boss fight for me in sims
thick kelp
The sims dont work
carmine ginkgo
Is the APL updated for sims yet?
thick kelp
hope this helps
trim skiff
oh, didn't know that, alright then
thick kelp
raidbots APL isnt updated yet
trim skiff
so whats the like (if there is any) difference between BL build and full on execute build?
thick kelp
alot of dps
trim skiff
Isn't bl a bit more consistent for progress?
trim skiff
That is why I'm asking mate, I do not know, questions are there to be asked since as you said, sims are not working and I was wondering
past galleon
Has anyone got a pre season bis list for arms? the wowhead one seems janky af
trim skiff
Has anyone got a pre season bis list for arms? the wowhead one seems janky af
you'll change them in 2 weeks, literally zero point to get them honestly
thick kelp
Get items + 2x trinkets like skarmorak shard + ara kara egg things
u can get crafted 590s or HC dungeon gear
past galleon
yeah tbf ive got the trinkets already so i guess im sorted then lmao
thick kelp
Yeah basically
smoky kayak
so whats the like (if there is any) difference between BL build and full on exec...
battlelord doesn't do much anymore
you get more MS, but unbuffed MS isn't that much of an improvement over Slam and is worse than Execute
trim skiff
Thats rather sad not to have it
misty basalt
i sks is #3 prio in execute does that mean we reapply rend immediately after using?
dire hinge
i sks is #3 prio in execute does that mean we reapply rend immediately after usi...
Skullsplitter no longer fully consumes your Rend upon use, instead it increases the rate at which Rend ticks for a few seconds.
misty basalt
thanks hrothmar, doing good work in this channel
dire hinge
I just like helping 
uncut pasture
nice voice, too
minor gust
Hrothmar on the Madox skyhold podcast when
dire hinge
the voices
pallid lichen
Hello sexy warrior arms! one question! Are good trinket Alchemy trinket? Have 1164 versatility and proc 1341 strenght 15 seconds.
candid summit
Is there a downside to apply rend via TC even in ST ? It just seems so much more convenient.
gaunt owl
Is there a downside to apply rend via TC even in ST ? It just seems so much more...
diff isnt much
i do love tclaping some cheeks too
solid laurel
the difference is just the delta in what the on-hit damage on rend is vs the on-hit damage of thunderclap is
e.g. the 46k damage here
candid summit
Oh yeah so very minimal difference vs saving one keybind :p
sacred zodiac
man just said delta in skyhold
this is significantly above his paygrade
i said the thing wrong and now it sounds like im insulting you
solid laurel
🤣
candid summit
Also. Are wowhead guide accurate ? The trees for slayer ST and M+ were the same last night. I just grab what I believe is good from experience
solid laurel
Also. Are wowhead guide accurate ? The trees for slayer ST and M+ were the same ...
I believe the wowhead guides are up to date, yes
dire hinge
Guides are updated, sims are not
candid summit
Are we gonna play slayer or colossus in high keys ? Demolish is nice but seems underwhelming on long trash packs
dire hinge
Colossus has slightly more survivability while slayer has more consistent dps. We’ll wait and see how it shakes out, but likely slayer up until a certain survivability threshold then Colossus (speculatively)
past galleon
I've noticed bigger burst windows on massive pulls with colossus but as you say, slayer seems to be more consistant
dire hinge
Hello sexy warrior arms! one question! Are good trinket Alchemy trinket? Have 11...
Alchemy trinket takes a Spark to craft, and I wouldn't recommend spending sparks yet. It's more likely that a different craft will be more worthwhile, and with Sparks being timegated you can be waiting a while to change away from your choice if you make it now.
I'd wait for sims to get fixed (they're inaccurate currently), then make your crafted choice closer to raid's release. There's no rush to craft anything with sparks currently.
candid summit
Slayer also seems more forgiving in a way that it's easy to move bladestorm but if you demolish and the pack moves it's gg
dire hinge
you can leap while demolishing to keep it going 
candid summit
Nani
dire hinge
archi has a whole thread on twitter showing some different movement tech with Demolish, including videos of each:
https://vxtwitter.com/Archimtiros/status/1785100502943842709
candid summit
Ohhh thanks. I'll watch it
halcyon breach
i said the thing wrong and now it sounds like im insulting you
Gonna have to time you out after this move, sorry
sacred zodiac
Gonna have to time you out after this move, sorry
BANNING YOU
i said it in caps therefore i win
sharp wyvern
I think DF gave me Stockholm syndrome even tho I know fury us better in every single way I just have this urge to play arms
I need a guide to how to fix my brain
lean geode
Fury and arms are basically identical in st according to the latest sims IIRC
gusty oxide
archi has a whole thread on twitter showing some different movement tech with De...
Yes, i'm doing those
it's so good
dire hinge
I need a guide to how to fix my brain
therapy can't fix your brain, but it does give you tools to better exist alongside it ❤️
embrace the mulchrot
pallid lichen
Alchemy trinket takes a Spark to craft, and I wouldn't recommend spending sparks...
thanks a lot! 😄
dire hinge
woven wasp
thick kelp
Cinema
frigid lava
lol
latent moss
noble oxide
I was so excited to not have channels anymore when we dropped Pbox and legendary
Whelp
dire hinge
at least you can reposition/cancel this one
shadow ibex
Just feels so clunky
Even more with mbg and blademaster fighting for prio
Wasting time on mbg buff using demo is cringe so just gets pushed back
And now some casts happening soon that you need to spend global bolting/shockwaving
latent moss
mbg 
wanton sierra
damn, tons of conversation! did we got buffed w? holy shiet im openin wow head
teal fossil
Even more with mbg and blademaster fighting for prio
wouldnt it be ava-cs-demolish-bs
rather ravager
limpid hornet
imma stick to Arms anyway because it's more fun
wanton sierra
imma stick to Arms anyway because it's more fun
im with yer, brother nirvana
shadow ibex
Gotta sks somewhere in there also. It's pretty crowded imo
wanton sierra
man with double ss i get lost.. sometimes i overwrite it
is it possible? or it adds on timer
rancid seal
Just feels so clunky
i was determined to play colossus even if slayer was a bit ahead because its warrior peak fantasy until i actually used demolish, then post nut clarity hit and rolled slayer
it felt even worse than what little i played in beta
zinc tree
Will it be difficult to get into pug groups for M+ as an arms warrior working towards 2.9k rio?
frigid lava
I'm kinda enjoying prot at the moment. I think I'mma snick my way into it gearing as prot
maiden moat
Hey guys, do someone know how i can sim races?
shadow ibex
I'm kinda enjoying prot at the moment. I think I'mma snick my way into it gearin...
no reason not to
insta invites unkillable
thats how i gear every season. set loot spec to arms and grab any rando shield
and the good karma
dire hinge
Hey guys, do someone know how i can sim races?
Sims are currently not accurate, but this kind of information will be on bloodmallet once they’re updated
dire hinge
Will it be difficult to get into pug groups for M+ as an arms warrior working to...
Getting into pugs is hard as a dps regardless of which class or spec you are, just keep applying or run your own keys when the season starts
slow saddle
i mean early its prob better to tank yes
as normal. and most likely community will want fury warriors if they want a warrior
plush pumice
just did The Call of the Worldsoul, didnt get the coffer key
Have you already recieved 4 keys this week?
icy hawk
got 1 on early access
slow saddle
are u certain u just didnt miss it the currency tab ?
icy hawk
so I did the 3 from event from hallowfall , ringing deeps, and theater, 1 from azj, last would be World soul quest for the fith
but got none haha
plush pumice
Yeah its capped to 4 per week
icy hawk
a capped at 4 per week ?
wanton sierra
i feel like an paladin xD
slow saddle
i feel like an paladin xD
hmm that helmet is a nice addition gj
wanton sierra
the set helmet is too much pally... tried to mix and match to be more "warrioer" heheheh loved that mog, makes me wanna play pally xD
and now i got "decent" haste, i mean.. i was 7%
latent moss
u prob need crit more than anything ngl
wanton sierra
ye, runnin warlords torment to help a bit... my secondaries are all messed up
steep osprey
Where’s this from
woven wasp
cinderbrew meadery
shadow ibex
actual movement during demo
gonna start asking brewmaster for tigerlusts with every cast
wanton sierra
yuge
ebon storm
any trinkets we should be farming for arms?
drifting apex
ara first boss i guess
minor gust
Shard and sac best your gonna get from dungeons rn
shadow ibex
ara first boss and shark in stonevaults for nice 90 second
i want the rookery mainstat trinket instead of ara personally
i love me some static mainstat passive trinket
wanton sierra
those two i got gives crit procced and haste with speed on use.. 2 min tho
shadow ibex
2min mega cursed for us
minor gust
Ara is rng on the stacks but when your highrolling it feels good
going into the next pack with 3 stack Imminet demise and 6 stacks of Ara trinket for like 5k str
manic stirrup
gonna start asking brewmaster for tigerlusts with every cast
no shot brew is using a global on you ever
maybe a ww or mw homie got you tho
royal escarp
hello what it s the soft cap of haste for war arm thks
dire hinge
hello what it s the soft cap of haste for war arm thks
dont worry about it, basically.
Haste breakpoints (or "soft caps") willl get automatically accounted for as you sim your character, and it's not worthwhile to manage it yourself
just because you start getting diminishing returns on a stat doesn't mean it's not still "more valuable" than other stats 👍
gusty oxide
Especialy for us Arms
royal escarp
in my fury spec i have good dps but not in the arm spec and i dont like the fury gameplay, this why i want to know the stat prio and the cap
minor gust
Stat prio isnt why your dps is bad I can tell you that
royal escarp
so any idea why my dps is bad in arm
quasi torrent
probably cause ure pressing wrong buttons
minor gust
^
formal verge
Either wrong buttons or because fury is so front loaded , stuff dies before you can press buttons
signal heart
guys... i thought the MS from Unhinged were cleaved by SS, but they aren't
minor gust
signal heart
when is this from ?
minor gust
a week ago
signal heart
ok thanks
royal escarp
probably cause ure pressing wrong buttons
probably no
frigid flume
i feel like an paladin xD
Looks sick, what helm is that?
woven wasp
Looks sick, what helm is that?
dwarf heritage
frigid flume
ah fuck cries in nelf
real ore
Wat
shadow ibex
surreal whale
Know it’s not black and white but would anyone mind giving a rough estimate of haste to mastery value for arms (slayer)? In pvp you don’t go crit and gear scales to 626/639 ultimately. Simming stat weights haste is ahead, how close is it for pvers?
devout pewter
from archis guides it's mainly crit, then haste which over time will give way to mastery
But overall it wont make or break your damage if you're off a bit here and there
bright whale
Hey how's arms going atm ?
dusty sorrel
so I'm taking a look at the crafting stuff for us when raid opens. I'm going straight into mythic and doing a lot of keys. Which of the options for us is best for both?
surreal whale
from archis guides it's mainly crit, then haste which over time will give way to...
Thanks!
candid harness
hi! is it good to have a macro for Colossus Smash with racials and trinkets?
lean geode
Probably better to have it with ava or roar but yeah
AM will reduce the cooldown of CS but not ava/roar, so you'll generally want to use your 90s all together (so those plus your 90s trinket)
cloud dawn
Anyone else kind of disappointed Colossus isnt the go to ST build in raid? Why is a bladestorm build outperforming a channeled demolish build
shadow ibex
demolish is unwieldy as shit
why worry about ability that can kill you when you can have passive hero tree that does on par if not better and wont kill you
nova marsh
I mean
If you die with demolish it's an actual skill issue
Like really it is
If you can't have some basic foresight of "oh don't use the ability that roots me before mechs go out" or "oh save leap for this just in case" it's your fault
Sure, delaying Demolish by a few seconds is techincally a loss
But you still live lol
teal fossil
i think a couple seconds here and there will just make salyer much better in practice
but people need to learn the intervene tech during demolish
thats lit
teal fossil
just get ready to jump the moment its over
nova marsh
I honestly don't even find it that bad
and even when I DO occansionally realize "oh fuck there's an aoe beneath me and I'm in demolish" I also find I usually have a fair amount of time when the channel finishes to...just move
Espically if you have leap
Which realitically you probally will
But I mean
I also think collusus should do more damage then slayer in sims, but in practice have to work for it
Dosen't even have to be by that much honestly
teal fossil
i think 2% on st is solid
nova marsh
Yeah just 2% ahead would be pretty nice
Also...A spit ball idea is make Demolish stacks give it more CC
Like 1% per stack
To kind of negate the REALLY swingy nature of it
Or blizz can troll and give it more crit damage
frigid lava
did ignore pain get nerfed?
teal fossil
kind of
they did the stamina+damage buff again during levelling
so its technically a bit weaker
nova marsh
Ya know
In a lot of regards tww arms feels like df arms with some parts taken out....not having bl feels...weird
frigid lava
Also still not a fan of skullsplitter mechanic
nova marsh
Honestly I still prefer the orginal df sks
That shit felt baller
That shit would've gone sooo hard with new roar
frigid lava
anyone runs both fury/arms?
smoky kayak
That shit would've gone sooo hard with new roar
they work the same with new roar lol
both fit entirely within the buff window
digital oak
During sweeping strikes do we still cleave?
frigid lava
If I have two OP stack... hell yeah
dire hinge
During sweeping strikes do we still cleave?
yes, Cleave benefits from sweeping now via this combo:
(the free slam counts towards collateral)
digital oak
so sweeping strikes priority wud basically become cleave > MS > OP ?
frigid lava
I'm not running FoV... but intrigued...
cinder bison
Is cloak / wrists crit emblish 100% way to go ?
dire hinge
so sweeping strikes priority wud basically become cleave > MS > OP ?
oversimplifying this a bit, but basically during aoe:
cleave > op > ms > execute
you can MS/Exe into specific mobs if they need piority damage (high health mobs, things that need to die first, etc)
digital oak
oversimplifying this a bit, but basically during aoe:
`cleave > op > ms > execut...
why OP over ms?
balmy kindle
I am guessing in aoe Dreadnaught is alot more dng
dire hinge
why OP over ms?
yeah, Dreadnaught and Martial Prowess buffing Cleave
almost everything in our AoE kit funnels back into "press cleave" and so it just trucks
aoe only output:
uncut pasture
rock buddy? :D
https://www.wowhead.com/item=228431/rock-buddy
dire hinge
Is it the same as slayer? Since u can proc reap from ms
for slayer it's basically:
Cleave > OP> [a LOT of conditions for Execute>MS] > Execute > MS
empty sluice
Alright
late nacelle
so i'd assume the 5 chapters of war within campaign is time gated ?
when would be a sensible estimation be4 people start getting their first earthen character?
dire hinge
yup!
tepid ledge
you can complete up to the 5th chapter right now
late nacelle
ok , so right on S1 launch
tepid ledge
yeah
late nacelle
thanks m8
south lagoon
just an fyi, season 1 starts September 10th so you can reroll/race swap to earthern before s1 if that's your thing
vestal smelt
!status
vestal smelt
what info are you looking for?
Trying to find out how doomer everyone is if at all. Haven't checked in since beta
dire hinge
ah, we're pretty middle of the pack. Not too worried about things. Colossus is annoying at times but playable. Slayer does better in all content but is pretty boring to play
dire hinge
we're not too "it's over", nor too "we're so back"
for better or worse
flat willow
on a brighter note, mountain king prot looks pretty cool and good
dire hinge
it's really cozy
still fox
slayer or colossus and ravager or bladestorm? for dungeons
dire hinge
slayer or colossus and ravager or bladestorm? for dungeons
Slayer is forced to use Bladestorm (doesn't work with Ravager)
Colossus is best with Ravager (so we can continue casting throughout)
still fox
and can we already say which is better for dungeons? xD
dire hinge
complete preference
Slayer can do a bit more dps
Colossus has a bit more survivability
Both will be able to clear incredibly high keys when used correctly
balmy kindle
Slayer is like plain white rice, it's good but it's plain 
weak wave
Hi!
Can it ne that the first "upgraded" Delve doesn't consume a key?
I had 4, opend the purple chest and still have 4 keys
dire hinge
Hi!
Can it ne that the first "upgraded" Delve doesn't consume a key?
keys are an optional thing at the end of any "Bountiful" Delve. You can run a bountiful delve right now, but not spend a key at the end.
It'll be a purple chest, with a popup asking if you want to consume a key (just dont click it, or dont' agree to spend a key), you get the other rewards
paper summit
are the woehead guides right for TWW Arms/Fury?
dire hinge
are the woehead guides right for TWW Arms/Fury?
yeah, guides are up to date, but sims are not
astral yarrow
Angry hotfix noises
half junco
i did the bountiful delves on alts , the first time i did , each Delve rewarded around 1k rep with the faction of the zone , so i guess its okay to do them once on alts if you care about the rep
weak wave
keys are an optional thing at the end of any "Bountiful" Delve. You can run a bo...
Hmm I did click the purple chest, got no popup but received loot
And no key was used
paper summit
damn, wowhead has something different than the pinned here...
dire hinge
got any specifics?
paper summit
just at first glance, neither arms build has exilerating blows
on wowhead
i copied them, imported them, and was going to tinker and thats one of the thing si was going to try.
dire hinge
astral yarrow
There is no m+ build here, but I guess the way it’s formatted might be confusing till the other builds are filled in
dire hinge
pins here are not updated yet
paper summit
yeah i was reading that too, seems contradictive. I just wnated to clarify.
astral yarrow
Pretty sure the confusion is just a limitation of discord forum feature sadly
paper summit
it seems like exilerating blows with slayer build would be great? no?
because you get so much more value form MS
astral yarrow
MS not that cool without a million modifiers
dire hinge
MS is a wet noodle without all the buff yeah
astral yarrow
No point in resetting it’s cd when hitting OP would be better anyway
Arms is kinda cringe in that regard
paper summit
Another thing i noticed is that the cooldowns are all over the damn place. It never seems like shit lines up. ITs pretty annoying actually.
teal fossil
thats the result of having CDR in random places in the kit
dire hinge
yeah, it's rough. Anger Management + Dominance of the Colossus both just completely unhinge your entire CD alignments
paper summit
and i hate sitting on stuff when theirs trash packs at 3/4th health.
i tried fury a bit. The thunderclap kinda sucks. My weak aura packages dont even track the thunderclap thing. I gotta keep looking at my action bar.
it hits hard single target though
trim skiff
Battlelord should legit buff Mortal Strike baseline damage to make it a competitive choice
I don't really like going full-on execute and doing absolutely nothing until 35%
Its fun how pumping starts once you reach the threshold, but a more balanced damage output would be better imo
teal fossil
and theres a large number of people who wants to shoot up in the meters during execute
warrior playerbase is really split
teal fossil
i tried fury a bit. The thunderclap kinda sucks. My weak aura packages dont e...
you run slayer for fury
trim skiff
Yeah but I mean Mortal Strike is what you use for the 2/3 of the fight as your main spender, it feels bad right now how low damage it deals
paper summit
you run slayer for fury
i did both fury's
they are both ok...but ive always just been an arms guy
vestal smelt
we're not too "it's over", nor too "we're so back"
for better or worse
Thanks, I will keep an eye on things. I really enjoy the animations and fluidity of Arms (well I did in DF). I'm hoping to make it my first alt
teal fossil
Yeah but I mean Mortal Strike is what you use for the 2/3 of the fight as your m...
blame it on the vocal minority who wants execute
thats really it
wide apex
pretty sure the vocal minority don't work on the arms warrior spec
teal fossil
the devs listen to the vocal minority
why do you think we are shoehorned into execute
fury on the otherhand has the opposite problem of execute being worthless
civic swift
i do not mind our damage going up during execute if you spec into it, but i also do not want it to be so that half of our total damage on a boss fight is during exe
thick kelp
Arms warrior is the minority of warriors
paper summit
heh, i remember early DF. Needing execute phase to climb meters.
i kinda liked it though
misty bridge
That was whole of DF
and I'd rather have fury's problem than being shoehorned into execute
teal fossil
the legion execute video ruined warrior for years to come
teal fossil
thats the unvocal minority
casuals dont know what legion arms is
casuals know the execute super saiyan video
quasi torrent
the legion execute video ruined warrior for years to come
but i really wanna cling onto this skewed view of history which i never experience and through sheer odds never would have!
teal fossil
exactly
balmy kindle
casuals know the execute super saiyan video
It was not arms and most know it as a meme
teal fossil
exactly
thats the messed up part
i dont think a lot of people realize it wasnt even arms
quasi torrent
yeah arms didnt have exe ramp
it had baseline really good exe dam
but argus specifically having an execute ramp mech on top of furys
wide apex
where you get the idea from that devs listen to the vocal minority
you have a list of vocal minority takes on the spec throughout the years that devs decided to implement
teal fossil
in fact its not even a vocal minority
its a large percentage of casuals who want execute
if you just stop by some other day you have people suggesting bringing back 99 stack jug
wide apex
yeah people can bring up whatever they want
teal fossil
i mean its just objectively true that warriors identity is execute now
wide apex
they'll implement it any minute now im sure
wide apex
oh
yeah I kinda get that they want to give different specs different strengths/niches. not a big fan of juggernaut myself
paper summit
damn, this feels really good, already new favorite build. CcEAmidFBOBFf5oKuZ7r/WeW7AYYmZMzMjZmlZbZZMDAAAADmGmZYZYGYsMmZGMzwYGPAzwAAAAAAAgZMLjxAIwYZbgFwAmhJkBYD
teal fossil
people who actually play this spec at a CE level just want a balanced profile
teal fossil
damn, this feels really good, already new favorite build. CcEAmidFBOBFf5oKuZ7r...
dude drop a pic dont drop the paste
we cant parse it in our head
because execute is also not great in m+
wide apex
u did a poll or
paper summit
teal fossil
ye
paper summit
i love it on bosses. it dont proc that often
teal fossil
sniping executes from a smaller mob to a larger mob could be decent
but a CD on SS also prevents that
while fury can snipe an execute into 4 mobs
though not like it matters when execute is weak
paper summit
take ti for a spin, it does feel really good
white anvil
is the wowhead bis crafted gear accurate ?
we make bracers with vers embellishment ?
rare kite
is the wowhead bis crafted gear accurate ?
even if it is, you should wait for crafted gear til mythic week. never know if tuning will change something
trim skiff
though not like it matters when execute is weak
i mean this is why battlelord should be moved to the middle of the tree, it was basically the core of the spec for years and now they just gutted it and then gutted mortal strike along
pathetic
sleek chasm
Does Arms have much downtime?
paper summit
might feel slower than fury, depending on what talents you take though
i just made a slayer build for arms with plenty of rage and procs, it feels really good
white anvil
do we run sudden death in m+ ?
method guide has sudden death for slayer, but might be outdated, nevertheless SD outsims SS for me
paper summit
i thought about switching improved execute for sudden death in the build i just posted.
white anvil
also, I'm reading capstones - why is Dance of Death and Fatality so shit? Are these torghast powers or sl legendaries that just got stuck in the tree? Happened to rogue as well with sepsis, flagg, bone spike, and ER all staying in the trees long past SL lol
paper summit
i would like to get both 🙂
swift flame
dance of death is weird, not sure why it stuck around after the rework.
teal fossil
i mean this is why battlelord should be moved to the middle of the tree, it was ...
mortal didn’t really get gutted
Nothing from df to tww changed it much
white anvil
fatality is so good in pvp. wish it was viable pve
teal fossil
And it’s only core because of the op damage amp
white anvil
They should give Arms a mechanic like Assassination's sudden demise - "
Bleed damage increased by 10%.
Targets below 35% health instantly bleed out and take fatal damage when the remaining Bleed damage you would deal to them exceeds 150% of their remaining health."
or a capstone rather
mechanic was the wrong word
swift flame
is that not fatality
white anvil
fatality is much worse
Your Mortal Strikes and Cleaves against enemies above 30% health have a high chance to apply Fatal Mark. When an enemy falls below 30% health, Your next Execute inflicts an additional (276% of Attack power) Physical damage per stack.
swift flame
i know that its worse, but thats our sudden demise mechanic
white anvil
I guess you are right - I should have been more coherent. Arms' mastery is based on bleed, we have roar, rend, SS, etc; imagine if these bleeds could culminate during our execute phase.
Perhaps make each execute add to a stacking bleed / deal the remaining damage on outstanding bleeds / etc
on targets below X health
swift flame
something along those lines would be more interesting, i agree
white anvil
yes, this is just some theorycrafting. assassination comes to mind only because its rework was pretty recent, and they took a rather boring spec and added a lot of interesting flavor - specifically to their bleeds and poisons
similarly, arms could benefit from a rework of that scale. just make the tree more impactful, integrate smoother
focus on execute phase, bleeds, chunky damage - all that
i rerolled to warrior this expac and im enjoying arms right now i just wish it had more talent diversity
odd palm
give us condemn spam back 
bright whale
What good solid race for both pve and pvp (Alliance)
swift flame
nelf
bright whale
as arms from 10>80
swift flame
gnome
bright whale
Mechagnome parse higher ?
swift flame
gnome racial is nice in pvp
white anvil
did people like night fae's covenant ability for wariror ?
swift flame
no
odd palm
dwarf because of debuff removal
bright whale
Oh forgot about Earthen
white anvil
PVP - out of top 40 players, 33 are gnome. M+ is 8 Orc, 8 human, 4 NE
bright whale
I see
swift flame
Just wasnt particularly interesting
white anvil
What if, like other covenant abilities, they modernized it? Made it do physical dmg, perhaps a mechanic like thunder clap for the aftershock? I dunno.
It's interesting how some classes kept all their covenant abilities, while others lost almost all of them
warrior might as well have lost all 4
spear is pvp mostly
wide apex
interesting how
I think they probably just kept the ones they liked better or thought were more liked
white anvil
well there doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason is why its interesting
rogue's covenant abilities were largely disliked. blizzard kept all of them, although they did rework bone spike to be loved a lot more by ass this expac as its a passive.
sepsis, flag, and er all controversial though
stuff like that
wide apex
I think people liked flag
white anvil
some sub rogue players liked flag
white anvil
but its already the most bloated rotation in the game with shadowdust, symbols, shadow blades, dance, etc.
wide apex
theres obviously not a system to it
white anvil
did all my aotcs as sub i love it but its prob the least beginner friendly spec in the game in that regard
wide apex
just what the devs felt like was interesting. maybe looking for talent points to put as well
swift flame
impact on gameplay is the reason
condemn would have been super degenerate with dragonflight talents. Was demonstrated in Dragonflight pre patch.
aftershock is just boring. And now it would compete with demolish for long cooldown big damage button
banner was cool, and could be reintroduced as a passive talent node that interacts with avatar
white anvil
yeah when you frame it that way youre right
it is kin to demolish
banner would be nice to reintegrate, sure. i didn't play warrior at all in SL but it seems simple enough. can see how its agreeable
i like the spec's slayer tree a lot. just seems blizzard is going on a campaign of reworking all melee dps lol
ret, frost, ww monk, and df s3 crackshot outlaw rogue were all received very well. wonder if warrior is next, with the dead talents and all.
survival hunter too, with tip of the spear
trim skiff
mortal didn’t really get gutted
baseline mortal strike deals absolutely no damage - on the dummy, the recap has shown a 140k hit and a 1.8m hit. That is not normal.
teal fossil
baseline mortal strike deals absolutely no damage - on the dummy, the recap has ...
It’s been like this since dragonflight
It’s normal
white anvil
i couldnt help myself
teal fossil
There was no “nerfs”
trim skiff
well i mean yeah, buffed up ms hits really hard - my main problem is that the loop the MS-OP-MS-OP-OP-MS gives is so good (I mean in my perspective). It was really enjoyable and it still dealt a good chunk of damage
steep osprey
There's a MS with no buffs and a MS with buffs, both are wildly different
That is a problem for sure, but it wasn't gutted
Unless they remove EP/OP buffs for MS, nothing changes
trim skiff
Yeah wording is bad, but you get the point thankfully
flat willow
I thought arms players liked building big ms
teal fossil
Like outlaw fan the hammer
teal fossil
I thought arms players liked building big ms
Some people like every ms to hit hard
Some like one big ms
white anvil
best ability rework of all time was outlaw's crackshot into fan the hammer
steep osprey
To be fair, you only use Pistol Shot with fan the hammer
teal fossil
Some like execute
white anvil
Between the Eyes has no cooldown and also Dispatches the target for 100% of normal damage when used from Stealth.
steep osprey
You don't not use MS without buffs
steep osprey
Between the Eyes has no cooldown and also Dispatches the target for 100% of norm...
50%, not 100%
trim skiff
I think the loop is really enjoyable, especially when the target is under 35%, weaving executes, ops and shit, it felt amazing in df, atleast that part feels good here too
trim skiff
its just that I really do miss battlelord in st
teal fossil
Battlelord was hard carried by 40% op damage
steep osprey
its just that I really do miss battlelord in st
I think Battlelord could be used IF they made the MS from the proc not cost rage
teal fossil
Or something like that
white anvil
felt like a gunslinger spec lol
teal fossil
I think Battlelord could be used IF they made the MS from the proc not cost rage
So we can bring back the cancelaura
I think the +10 rage is the healthiest iteration
steep osprey
Yeah but we don't really have the rage to accomodate back to back MS that costs 30 rage
anymore
trim skiff
Maybe if MS reset happens, the damage of the MS is increased, but that would further escalate the problem of MS being buffed up
I think MP should be moved into battlelord in a way, that the resets increase the damage or smth
just brainstorming, take it with a grain of salt
steep osprey
Does Colossus use Battlelord?
white anvil
MP?
white anvil
o
ornate eagle
Does Colossus use Battlelord?
Nah
boreal quartz
Ravager is the most based option
The 2 running same talents basically is criminal
Rip ms nerf
trim skiff
I mean I was nearly full on rage always on a target dummy where I never reached 35% hp threshold - since the hp of the dummy resets quite quickly
I'd enjoy this damage breakdown honestly - felt nice. Although since it was a dummy, I couldn't go jugg at all, so numbers aren't really good
steep osprey
Too bad ravager/bladestorm isn’t dogshit anymore on st
Too bad??
trim skiff
Ravager is the most based option
fuck ravager
boreal quartz
fuck ravager
Spam exe is only doable with ravager
flat willow
whats wrong with ravager
steep osprey
Ravager took me out back and gutted me in the stomach
white anvil
dance of death normal dungeon meta anyone
ornate eagle
With what points
steep osprey
Dance of Death doesn't sound like a dungeon talent, more like a boss with adds for funnel
steep osprey
I'm just saying what it's for
ornate eagle
You're better off using mbg + cleave
steep osprey
I never see you here
trim skiff
Spam exe is only doable with ravager
not really interactive pressing execute 10 times in a row, might be some dopamine for some of the players, but to me its pretty meh
teal fossil
Mbg cleave is not for add sniping though
If a boss has adds that die in like 6 seconds I don’t wanna commit 2 talent points to it
ornate eagle
Well duh
teal fossil
But I’m okay with committing 1 to snipe adds and get some more boss damage
I can def see a world where ppl play dod in raid
On some fights
white anvil
while reap the storm probably helps
cleave is such a good button to press
for some positive arms discussion
i love this shit
just hitting cleave
dps chart goes into the millions
chunking everybody
swift flame
cleave is definitely very chunky
i wouldnt mind some of its damage being pulled back into rend/deep wounds tho
teal fossil
Love doing damage passively
swift flame
i just like bleeds
swift shell
Guys, I was wondering if bringing back the Enduring blow legendary effect in the talent tree would be a good idea to « fix » Arms ? Any thoughts ?