arms

[wanton sierra]

dreadnought dont feel strong anymore... overpower and dreadnought used to represent an big portion of our dmg... now dreadnought feels so wacck, im using the other nodule option... str in arms i belive

[icy magnet]

sorry returning warr here, the build pinned here and the build in wowhead are all different, is there any up-to-date build? any single target Colossus build (without skullsplitter-less buttons :x)

[wanton sierra]

man i tried that avatar talent that procs SS... and damn, that is very good for allignment with SKS... cleave dam goes sky high (was testin on dummies)

[wanton sierra]

glad to have an old warrior brother to be back! bothh builds are fine, its kinda nebulous coz thhere will be some tunnin, gear weights

sks is big dam, but i understand... its counter intuitive its usage

since we got 2 sweepin on rotation, we shall get 2 stacks of colateral dam... was hittin 2.5 / 3M on cleave

i mean, 2 set of stacks of colateral dam... not only 2 stacks

it will be disabled this reset... i think it skill works if you are low level... but when you hit 80 it gets gray

[left talon]

thanks

[solid hamlet]

Is Bladestorm still not worth to press in Slayer ST?

[halcyon breach]

It's worth pressing in ST, mostly because of Unhinged

[gilded stump]

Why would it be included in the ST raid build if it wasn't?

[frigid lava]

Unhinged dump and rage build...

[solid hamlet]

Sweet, ty!

[echo forge]

what embells we rocking?

[charred brook]

Nerubian Doubler and Ascendance prob

[torpid imp]

This is my first time messing w/ the valorstone and crest system, is it possible / how sweaty does one have to get to max out Heroic drops to 8/8 upgraded before m0 drops

[dusk topaz]

Slayer is everything I've been wanting from a faster paced Arms playstyle. As someone who's hated the "class fantasy" of slow and boring hits they've been cramming down our throat since WoD, Hero Talents is the best thing to happen to WoW in years.

[wanton sierra]

slayer is ok... i quite like the idea of an spinnin and killin... but i love the fantasy of colossus, big heavy weap, big insane numbers.... in theory xD slayer is better i think

[misty bridge]

Should've played DF arms

[wanton sierra]

when season hits, you shall get better upgrades, do not worry to much to get pre bis season xD

[olive nest]

Arms DF season 3 Rest in piece RIP

[fringe moon]

Is it me or does damage feel sub par? Maybe it’s the lack of of haste, but it feels terrible

[halcyon breach]

Damage for what content

[wanton sierra]

the lack of haste makes me feel laged xD

[halcyon breach]

All you can do is HC dungeons, and there it's more than fine rn

[olive nest]

Bosses lives more than 10 seconds this not fine!

[halcyon breach]

And yeah, if anything your Haste affects your rotation more than anything especially when we had next to no stats

[wanton sierra]

i cant even trow all 3 strikes of demolish on boss... it dies midcast

[fossil rampart]

yeah demolish hits like a truck. that's why i love colossus, really fits the hard hitting fantasy of an arms warrior

sweeping strikes into max stack demolish in a pack and see your numbers go sky high

[fringe moon]

I guess I’ll have to suck it up until season 3 when we have more stats available.

[frigid lava]

and tank starts moving away from you while casting

ffs

[fossil rampart]

[frigid lava]

esp now... things are so easy.. tanks just keep moving and moving

[wanton sierra]

hey, i got an question for the pros:

i was testing avatar with blademasters torment... does SS buff stacks with blademasters torment proc? to get ultra collateral... bc i was rotatin, and i noticed that i pressed avatar before SS ends... idk what happend servers are down now, but i felt it dont stacks

[wanton sierra]

this!

[fossil rampart]

bmt and ss do stack

only the buff uptime

for example if bmt give 5 seconds and ss is 5 seconds by default if you avatar into ss you get 10 seconds total of ss

[wanton sierra]

my rotation memory tells me to press SS when im chargin... but now i need to be care

[fossil rampart]

yeah that talent is super good, i usually run into a pack ss into avatar+ravager into roar into colossus smash

but now it would be wise to hold ss and just pop avatar

pop ss later while you build demolish stacks

then ss if needed and max stack demolish for huge cleave

[wanton sierra]

yes idk if we open with demo, since its big hit anyways.. but i like to built its stacks

[nova marsh]

You don't

[wanton sierra]

and BMT is very good with sks

[nova marsh]

You play slayer

[fossil rampart]

i usually try to max stack it but if i see the pack is dying fast i let it fly

[wanton sierra]

slayer stinks

[nova marsh]

It does indeed

[fossil rampart]

that too

[nova marsh]

But 5% damage

[fossil rampart]

but 5% size increase

[nova marsh]

Based

[wanton sierra]

colossus is 5% bigger

[fossil rampart]

i wanna be huge

a big chonky boy

[nova marsh]

I mean I'm collusus because it dosent really matter rn

Swap to slayer when the season starts

[wanton sierra]

i press ava + ironform just to be colossuly hulkin smashin

[fossil rampart]

slayer only in raids

otherwise colossus for the win

[wanton sierra]

im a beliver and i do belive they will remove demo target req and it shall be viable on season

[nova marsh]

That's not demolishes problem

Movement is

[fossil rampart]

i don't think being locked in place is really that big of a deal

arms isn't all that fast paced especially with colossus. being locked in place doesn't ruin our momentum or anything

i feel that way idk about others

[nova marsh]

I feel like it's silly

[gilded stump]

On a scale of "invading Russia in the winter" to "let's take in this big wooden horse gift into our walls" this is probably the worst idea I have ever heard

[nova marsh]

Espicalky because it gets cancelled if your target moves away or dies

[fossil rampart]

if anything if we were able to move while demolish it'd feel kinda odd and silly

and wouldn't make sense

[wanton sierra]

not locked, when we start to push keys, we need to be quick... so our main target will not be standin still (not for long)... imagine chain pulls as colossus

[nova marsh]

Just make it a slow

[fossil rampart]

yeah that is kinda an oof but just gotta use our dumb warrior brain and pop it at the correct time i guess

[nova marsh]

And yes it would. It makes less sense for your legs to just STOP WORKING because you're doing big smashes with your upper body

[fossil rampart]

oh dude chain pulls in mists feel so damn good. after first boss, in puzzle area holy god you build demolish stacks per pack. i legit had max stack demolish with ss every pack of that maze

it was so awesome

[wanton sierra]

i see... with no target req, our 3rd hit shall pump even if targets are moving or main target dies...

[fossil rampart]

i suppose so? i still kinda see us being locked in place making sense. especially for the damage it actually does, fantasy wise to hit those types of precise strikes would mean you gotta stand still. idk just trynna look at from blizzard's perspective

[nova marsh]

I mean really I'm nit picking

[fossil rampart]

nah you aren't

[nova marsh]

Because as long as you use common sense to demolish it's really just fine

[dusk topaz]

This is random, but does anyone know what specifically the old Cata/MoP Taste For Blood did? That was peak Arms for me, but I cant find the old spell tooltips for nostalgia

[nova marsh]

Espically because it's a wayyyy shorter channel then fyraloth

[fossil rampart]

because think about it right? making us move a little bit like reducing move speed by 50-60% or some shit would feel so odd and obnoxious. at that point just make us lock in

chasing after a target with no ms would feel so shit lmao and it wouldn't even make sense because your channel runs out at that point

[nova marsh]

I guess?

But like

[fossil rampart]

making it a huge one hit that does cleave would make sense

and feel better imo

[wanton sierra]

THAT DOES CLEAVE! yes! only 2 firsts hits cleaves ):

[nova marsh]

If you loose demolish due to the mobs moving away or dying you either a. Did it wrong or b. Your tank has no idea how to park a pull

the latter of which is really annoying honestly

[wanton sierra]

hopes the tank is an war prot colossus, so we too has to stand still for a bit to trhow demo xD

[fossil rampart]

yeah it's all about timing

[fossil rampart]

xD

true

[nova marsh]

It's just a big case of don't be stupid stupid

[fossil rampart]

but we warrior

we zug zug

[nova marsh]

But it's gonna be real punishing if you fuck it up and now you died to a mech and now your key lost 15 secs in a 10

[wanton sierra]

"if youu press colossus and 3rd hit doesnt land, you are being stupid"

me playing colossus

[fossil rampart]

yeah i suppose that could be the issue

[fossil rampart]

especially with a tank that is clueless, demolish is very high risk high reward

and that feels like a no no because why should it have risk

but could be argued that the damage is nuts

[nova marsh]

I mean really

[fossil rampart]

but then again not really that much that it should risk us dying

[nova marsh]

Playing anything where your tank is clueless just leads to a lot of lost damage, espically with ravager

[fossil rampart]

suppose so yeah

[wanton sierra]

demolish represent how much of our damg as %

coz with BMT my cleave got top as loooon way form second dmg (demo)

[fossil rampart]

the only fix that comes to my mind is just making it a huge one hit ability where we just swing in a massive arc and do huge damage. up the cooldown or something to balance it out maybe

[nova marsh]

....yeah because you cast cleave more often

Cooldowns are like never even close to top damage

[fossil rampart]

oh yeah when i was testing colossus on beta, demolish was ALWAYS my 2nd damage. cleave, demolish then mortal strike

[nova marsh]

That's still very significant

[fossil rampart]

super

ravager and stuff was nowhere near close

[wanton sierra]

yes me too... demolish is aways 2cond... i mean, on heroic dgs and delvs xD

[nova marsh]

I also like collusus defensive and uti

More shock and free second winds are very nice

[fossil rampart]

right? the knockup from shockwave feels nice too

[wanton sierra]

would be fun sincin demolish with Aoe CC... when ppl need to evade you just channel it and surpass its effect

[terse osprey]

Really enjoying Arms this expac

Are ppl rolling Slayer or Colossus more in dungs?

[fossil rampart]

most likely slayer in dungeons. people like to spin to win and i suppose it's 5% more damage

it's just spin to win, colossus requires some planning and good usage of cds

[hot current]

isnt colosus as well like 5% more dmg and 2.5% less dmg taken?

[fossil rampart]

no i mean like overall slayer is 5% more damage than colossus

according to the sims people did

more or less the same just depends on playstyle

[dire hinge]

colossus has a talent that does this, yes, but Slayer is still ahead most of the time overall

[hot current]

yeah thanks, i miss understood

unlucky i liked colossus theme more 😛

[dire hinge]

oh same boat, you're fine

colossus is fun, just has some various hiccups

[hot current]

different cd for cs and demolish is gonna be pain

[tough pond]

Colossus makes me sad sometimes because my tank likes to micro kite

[torpid imp]

a question is not an idea lol

[noble oxide]

Colossus has BIS 5% increased size talent tho

[gaunt owl]

its not enough

should have been 2x size

[fossil rampart]

i agree tbh it should be 10%

[daring heron]

i think ppaww was going for 100%

[steep osprey]

sup crit

how's it going

[gaunt owl]

[steep osprey]

Shadow of the Colossus

[frigid lava]

server is up, what's new this week

[frigid lava]

So not much

[neon jasper]

🐦

[gilded stump]

Season begins 10th September everything up to that point is "leveling" time

[astral yarrow]

Depends how sweaty you are

[gilded stump]

You can be the sweatiest sweater who ever sweat but you can't overcome the artificial limits the game has

[astral yarrow]

[hidden pivot]

Not with that attitude you cant

[gilded stump]

Ok go and get more then 90 crests then if you're so great (not counting the ones that go over the current limit)

[hidden pivot]

Ok I will

[hidden pivot]

I'm going to put it in my guide and then IP ban you from it

[gilded stump]

You can't hide it from me

[frigid lava]

So as far as rep wise... epic rewards are head,shoulder,chest right?

[formal verge]

is awakend machine scenario rewards bugged? I did all the waves and got 2 chests with just crests and the guy next to me says his were empty lol

not sure if its supposed to give a chest per segment

[gilded stump]

I'm not really into Star Wars sorry I don't know anything about attack of the clones

[olive nest]

Definitely not me over here, cutting edge raider.. not min maxing blues and greens

[finite mantle]

I’ve been convinced to resub in euland thanks to your guides

🫡

[olive nest]

Welcome back king

[finite mantle]

how casual can one man be (we’re gonna find out)

[olive nest]

Refer specifically to the degen part of the Larias guide

[sleek terrace]

do you have any talent tree for arms warrior? (Heroic dg)

[strange sapphire]

When do I press bladestorm in single target? I mostly ask because when I sim, it isn’t using bladestorm at all

[pallid gorge]

Hello, for Demolish do i need to wait for 10 stacks of Might or am i sending it for the most part

[gaunt owl]

send it !

[pallid gorge]

sounds good

[fossil rampart]

even better

[cobalt sinew]

is this another expac where fury mogs arms

[twilit rune]

as of today yes

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[hazy flower]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[violet bough]

Hi all!
Just tested my arms warrior today..
Somehow.. no matter what build I try.. it feels.. off.. comparing to how it was for more or less the entire DF.. am I the only one that feels like this?
Is it just me?

[gaunt owl]

nothing change

we got some QOL here and there that was needed for pretty much all of DF

[strange sapphire]

How far behind is colossus compared to slayer in raids?

[uncut pasture]

if you havent played warrior since prepatch they changed our rage generation and spending, so it can feel different now that you aren't as flooded with rage (still kind of are, but regardless), if you mean beyond level 70 then lower crit and haste ratings from level scaling will make your button presses a little slower

[violet bough]

The new skills feel off.. and now I have moments when both mortal strike and overpower are in cd and have to actually press sl;am.. thing i didnt really do in DF(but I mainly player pvp so this might be a thing)

[uncut pasture]

yeah, that came with the rage generation/spending changes, with Warlord's Torment nerfed and Ignore Pain not contributing to Tactition, you get very little Overpower resets compared to most of DF, Blizz was even kind enough to buff Slam so pressing Slam that often is just part of the changes. You're not the only one feeling this way

Battlelord is now a lot less valuable as well because of less Overpowers meaning you also press Mortal Strike less as a consequence

we need to start a petition to just remove Slam

[noble oxide]

Plus we just have less haste now

[gaunt owl]

nah its because Battlelord was hard carried by OP dmg % in there

they could save it

if MS was glorious on its own

[finite mantle]

spin Ms my beloved

[violet bough]

And also it feels like we do not press execute as much now?
Anyway.. do you all like it now?
I feel like we have more of a button bloat now.. but I might just be ad LOL

[ebon ridge]

U back @finite mantle

[finite mantle]

even worse I got talked into going eulander

[gaunt owl]

best land

[hidden pivot]

You're welcome, warriors

[ornate mountain]

What’s best hero talent for dungeons

[minor gust]

[fiery linden]

im enjoying things so far. def feel rage capped at 70ish but it seems to be moving the other way now.

last time i played WoW or arms was in early shaodwlands...so going form condemn bot to this is nice.

[random ridge]

[frigid lava]

Do yall save coffer keys for later?

[minor gust]

yes do not use a single key till raid release

[mortal rivet]

Why did all the coffins memes disappear

[gaunt owl]

[olive nest]

[finite mantle]

[shadow ibex]

i hate this root

[ancient fulcrum]

Guys, I am sorry for the question I will ask now as I do hate it myself. But, can anyone tell me or guide me, which spec looks to be better/more optimal for this 1st raid, arms or fury?
Ofc, in case the difference is significant.

If not, I will play whatever feels better.

[thick kelp]

🔮

[minor gust]

it can change at anytime once blizzard does another round of tuning which they will be doing just a matter of when. Currently as it stands tho both Arms and Fury are very close and well be switching on a fight by fight basis. Hard to give anything concrete

[ancient fulcrum]

This is already a big info, thank you. Due to IRL I am unprepared for the release, just dinged today so I needed a guideline.

Thank you once again 🫡

[mortal rivet]

Any idea why this macro wont work after swapping specs?
#showtooltip
/cast [known:228920,@cursor] Ravager
/cast [known:227847] Bladestorm

[woven wasp]

swap ids with spell names

[strange perch]

Arms is so OP

My joy breaks the roof with a heroic leap.

[latent moss]

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230008337517514772/1255253788365688832/761040892970139649.gif

[strange sapphire]

Why does the sim not seem to use bladestorm at all as slayer

[lost flare]

the new Earthen racial Titan-Wrought Frame synergize with Armored to the Teeth?

[woven wasp]

yes

no earthen arent the best race

[shadow ibex]

yea but they are new

therefore

[minor gust]

if reap the storm is ever removed I will flip Blizz HQ upside down

[dire hinge]

interesting, im seeing it too. I'll poke around

[gilded stump]

Check next week's tuning;)

[minor gust]

idc if its nerfed

as long as it exists

[peak shuttle]

any of the darkmoon decks good?

[gilded stump]

They are buffing/nerfing them right now so probably not

[frigid lava]

I got 3 coffer keys this week alone.

So tempted to waste them

[dire hinge]

seems to be a SimC bug, i got a report made up. Thanks for the callout

[dusty sorrel]

so I can't seem to find it at the moment but does anyone have the spell reflect macro that tells you how much damage was reflected?

[plucky osprey]

hey yall Noob warrior here.... just looking at talents why dont we take intim shout or Bitter Immunity? just not worth points, if so what node sould you take from to pick them up

[dire hinge]

Essentially just not worth it, since we already path through Shockwave with a relatively low CD thanks to Rumbling Earth.
You could get Int Shout if you dropped Second Wind, but second wind is really strong (it has a new passive benefit), or Bounding Strike, but the movement is nice

[woven wasp]

bitter immunity is not good

you can take shout if you really want

[plucky osprey]

cheers, whats the pasive benefit for Second wind?

[dire hinge]

hover over it 😉

[plucky osprey]

the no dmg part?

[plucky osprey]

ahhh is that new

[dire hinge]

yeah, it used to just be the top-half before

[plucky osprey]

got ya okay cool cheers

[gilded stump]

They upgraded it to a lower track for effectively a lower max ilvl? Am I reading this right

[edgy solstice]

adv is a higher track

[woven wasp]

i think theyve got it the wrong way roung

[gilded stump]

Yes and they made it into Explorer

[woven wasp]

it used to be 567 but they buffed it to 571

[edgy solstice]

ya it's a typo

it was explorer and went to adv

[dire hinge]

all my heroic gear that im wearing was from its release and it's adventurer track 🤔

[edgy solstice]

that change was before heroics came out

[dire hinge]

ah

[edgy solstice]

in testing it was explorer

better than what i was planning to do lol

kill rares 24/7

[nova marsh]

yeah screw that

Spamming heroics feels wayyy better

at least I can...KIND of do damage

[jolly panther]

per wowhead multitarget rotation guide, why would we sweeping strikes BEFORE thun roar and avatar?

[plucky osprey]

1 last noob question for the day ..... is it better to use Sweep Strikes in Bladestorm or not for AOE ?

[edgy solstice]

they changed the interaction with sweeping bladestorm so no

[plucky osprey]

thanks

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230008337517514772/1255253788365688832/761040892970139649.gif

[shrewd oracle]

Is there a recommended levelling/open world build for arms?

[frigid lava]

M+ slayer build

[serene cairn]

Does slayer or colossus m+ build do better ST? I feel like I crush on adds and just hit like a wet noodle on bosses.

[minor gust]

that would be Slayer

Game with thiss

[manic stirrup]

hell no do not do that

[serene cairn]

Is it good in ST or am I crazy? Its very possible it's a skill issue I haven't really played much yet

[minor gust]

yee I always pump

[manic stirrup]

juggernaut is complete beans

[minor gust]

rn yeah

but I also dont really care

its heroics

[manic stirrup]

in m+ its always beans

[minor gust]

nah

[manic stirrup]

id use this for m+ but for heroic dungeons id play colossus

[minor gust]

Me love reap

[gaunt owl]

S3 would like a word with you

[minor gust]

felt like half of DF jugg was really solid in M+

[manic stirrup]

it wasnt total beans but was just straight up worse than the standard ep build

[minor gust]

def not in S3

[manic stirrup]

it was

straight up worse

[minor gust]

hard disagree but it alright

[manic stirrup]

disagree how

all the top keys were done without juggernaut

[dire hinge]

now we're cookin'

[manic stirrup]

i was the main person using the s3 build in s2

before it was played by everyone

until my bae sks was nerfed

[minor gust]

Is there a way to still see the data cuz I remember more ppl talking about and playing jugg

[manic stirrup]

well ppl would post about alternate builds in s2 as well

but no i dont think so i just looked at the top 3 warriors and every top key i saw no jugg

besides possibly the 32 tyran ad by critcake

you cant open talent calculator so its hard to tell sometimes

actually sometimes my padding ass took 2x bloodbourne over ep lol

[minor gust]

hmm it def was really fuckin good S3 but guess it still wasnt the common build

Its prob gonna be really good aswell tho this season

same reason big ST

[gaunt owl]

You wasnt alone

[worldly kernel]

who else up and 580

[fringe moon]

I really wish demolish was uncapped. There’s no reason why it should be capped.

[manic stirrup]

i actually got this confused, most ppl were using the s3 build in s2, not taking sks. or they were using the s1 build with mbg/blademasters torment

[worldly kernel]

uncapped demo sounds kinda busted

[manic stirrup]

meant the opposite of what i said lol

[fringe moon]

High risk, high reward

[gaunt owl]

We had plenty of experimental build

[fringe moon]

Annoying when tanks kite your target away…

[worldly kernel]

im just not huge into demolish I tried it and I Just dont like it as much as slayer

[manic stirrup]

sure but the one i used was the best

no cap on a stack

[worldly kernel]

maybe later i'll change my mind

[chrome lichen]

i am taking form time to time items of "khaz algar lore hunter" achiv, but its not tagging and i dont really get it, is this a bug or something?

[wraith cave]

is Ah borked for everyone or jus tme o.o

[minor gust]

its having issues yeah

[wraith cave]

meh im stuck with 522 boots and cant buy a damn item

[daring heron]

i cant remember using jugg in high key

s3/s4 was pretty much all warlords bs

i did play some jugg early s3 cause it was kinda fun but had better results with warlord bs

[wraith cave]

never bothered checking builds just lvled
is everyone running slayer in arms or collasus is good too?

[devout pewter]

questing as prot because I got sick of sometimes just standing there waiting for autoattacks as everything else is on cooldown 😦

[quiet yacht]

launch and AH never go hand in hand

[devout pewter]

expectable I guess, especially since the AH is now region wide

[quiet yacht]

i wonder how many bots are in there breaking everything at the same time...

[empty sluice]

Jugg in keys is kinda annoying

[devout pewter]

that as well yea haha Russian Bots trying to break our AH to hurt us!

[warm monolith]

wich pact i should take in the azj kahet area ?``

[sharp ridge]

u can switch each week doesnt matter to much

[minor gust]

Damn my memory way off

[gusty oxide]

When your 10 stacks demolition crits on a big pack

[steep osprey]

are all the weeklies once per account or character?

[dusty summit]

If it still gives half a spark like it used to it should be each char

[royal badge]

some of the rewards are once per warband

generally rep rewards

[magic canopy]

you can do them on other characters like the spark the only reward you dont get is renown

[smoky kayak]

They’re both pretty close in sim atm; colossus is a bit spikier though

Slayer also has a more prio Jugg build for a little extra variety, but I’m not sure how well it’ll play in practice

[smoky kayak]

Doesn’t really matter; Vizier gets extra Kej currency, but it’s pretty abundant anyway

[warm monolith]

^thx

[latent moss]

dan said it felt very smooth

on beta that is

like ur normal build but smoother

looking forward to it ngl

[smoky kayak]

I think it’ll be a bit dungeon specific

But yeah, it gives you another option, which is nice

[radiant sentinel]

Tbh all 3 warrior specs seem to be quite fun, like atleast in m+ the rotation and feel is decent from what ice gathered

[smoky kayak]

They generally are; Arms still has a little wonkiness (mostly in ST more so than MT), but plays fine as a whole

[ornate mountain]

Idk I just did my first heroic dungeon as colossus

Didint feel very poggers

Might be playing it wrong

[radiant sentinel]

Do youj refer to the execute phase or the smash ability thingy?

[smoky kayak]

Exe is mostly fine; more so multi slamming and cd alignment can feel weird

[radiant sentinel]

Sorry for asking but "multi slamming"?

[smoky kayak]

Pressing it multiple times in a row

When everything else is on cd

[radiant sentinel]

Ooooh that way - mostly played fury in early access

[smoky kayak]

Doesn’t happen a lot, but on occasion you can get as many as 3x in a row between MS

[radiant sentinel]

Aye i could imagine that feels iffy so to speak

[smoky kayak]

Arms would play a lot better if Battlelord/EB were worth playing

But right now the ST rota is kinda stale

[radiant sentinel]

So we pray for buffs to the talents?

[minor gust]

Arms is cursed but I'm having fun with Slayer

[sonic grove]

Arms

[boreal quartz]

arm

[minor gust]

Xalatoes

[fresh tide]

I've been enjoying arms so far, cleave good

[magic canopy]

[minor gust]

Not me I swear

[magic canopy]

the translate to english part

is so funny lmao

anyway bedge

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chuni-sleep-gif-20108376

[minor gust]

[olive nest]

[stone yarrow]

Is arms worth getting into? A good dps investment?

[mortal rivet]

I feel like I have a silly amount of rage as slayer in ST before execute phase; this is normal right?

[boreal quartz]

Yep

[boreal quartz]

Dps warrior is almost always in any raid team

So playing it is good

[hollow pulsar]

Are there teleports in dornogal to other TWW zones?

[sharp ridge]

We still want crit/haste or what we want statwise?

[mortal rivet]

Damn ok. Felt like I was doing something wrong but fresh to arms. Thanks

[stone yarrow]

thank you Phil, I just love playing 2 hander classes and Arms is one of the few that sticks to the fantasy

[opaque citrus]

The only time you won’t see a Dps warrior is if it’s OBSCENELY bad

Last time it wasn’t brought in RWF for example was I think Nathria

Where arms and fury were literally 2 of the worst specs in the entire game

[grizzled atlas]

didint they have an arms for sire?

[olive nest]

Uh they brought Prot Warrior for the buff iirc

Pretty sure tank comp was VDH protW

[grizzled atlas]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=19tXeHJns1E

nah they had an arms

[opaque citrus]

They were the only guild running one though

Method/echo/BDG didn’t iirc

[grizzled atlas]

echo did bring revvez

as arms

[opaque citrus]

Oh did they

I guess I’m cooked idk

It was still bad

[manic stirrup]

which has happened once (twice if you consider crucible) ever

rally is just really good

obviously not as strong now

but there was a reason most comps had 2x warrior for almost every raid

[minor gust]

Buff rally Blizzard you won't

[static lark]

Slayer is fun!

[slender sonnet]

Inspiring presence had a low pick rate anyway

[minor gust]

[boreal remnant]

Am I safe to chuck a 590 wep craft with darkmoon embellishment?

Should be fine right

[minor gust]

weathered crests arent really important so yeah you can craft a wep if you want

[boreal remnant]

ye

[mortal rivet]

What’s the dps loss of using TC instead of rend in ST?

[plush belfry]

negligible last i saw.

[mortal rivet]

Blessed be

[frigid lava]

😦 maintenance

[normal marsh]

is this trinket bait?

[boreal quartz]

seems decent

[fringe moon]

Demolish is the most annoying ability. Would’ve been nicer if we were able to have target cursor instead. Or give it a longer reach so when tanks move your target away from you, it doesn’t kill the channel

Why didn’t they just make it like the Lego?

Literally had an entire expansion of testing

[dire hinge]

you can leap and keep it going

archi has a whole thread with video references and gochas here:
https://vxtwitter.com/Archimtiros/status/1785100502943842709

[normal marsh]

i bought it and simmed it with crit/haste so you guys dont have to (it is bait - about 2.2% loss ST from dungeon trinks)

[edgy raft]

Dosent arms work on raidbots mostly colossus?

[thick kelp]

Did you put the sockets + sims dont work yet unless you use custom apl

[dire hinge]

raidbots is currently not up to date with warrior rotation or abilities, it should be updated soon 👍

[normal marsh]

ye

well hey, i'll try again when it's updated, not like i need this Kej for anything

[edgy raft]

Thx Saw fury slayer did 7 bs on a 5 min fight in arms none and colossus didnt use demolish😂

[dire hinge]

haha yeah exactly. You can use a custom APL if you know how, but otherwise I wouldn't sweat it too much for now

[minor gust]

Clearly its normal for Slayer to press bladestorm only once

[dire hinge]

1 is too many times, even

some might say (they'd be wrong)

[edgy raft]

Just wanted to see the dig in st target🤗

[dire hinge]

oh totally!

we do have spreadsheets with updated custom arms sims if folks want, you can find those publicly here. The folks who made it possible are listed across the top and are really cool, smart people here in the discord
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit?gid=1035028190#gid=1035028190

[edgy raft]

So colossus is behind slayer in every Way except in 2 target

[thick kelp]

yes

[minor gust]

yep sounds perfectly fine to me no issues at all

bury that dumb lego axe button to the ground

[fringe moon]

Thank you for this!

[dire hinge]

yeah! it's pretty spiffy

[tiny dock]

are people crafting the 590 axe or mace

are they the same

[dire hinge]

and good to know that jumping cancels your channel (for survivability reasons, or to punish people who can't stop jumping hahaha)

[smoky kayak]

they are the same

[tiny dock]

so just pure looks

or i guess orc cares

[dire hinge]

alllll crafted weapons are normalized yeah

[latent moss]

they git rid of those

a long time ago

[dire hinge]

some have special abilities* but it's just looks

[tiny dock]

trying to figure out if I should go axe or mace if I decide to spec hafted

[olive nest]

Big hammers own!

[dire hinge]

professions are pure speculation atm, godspeed out there 🫡

[olive nest]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-23464742

[tiny dock]

man I hate this shit lmao maybe I just hold KP until raid week

i'm for sure going all in on long blades for the charged claymore

but being able to make 590 weapons for the next 2 weeks might be kinda nice in terms of gold 🤔

[nova marsh]

At least it isn't a snore fest like slayer lmao

[tiny dock]

wdym you don't love excute?

[nova marsh]

Exe is...okay

[minor gust]

I hope your demolish doesnt crit

[nova marsh]

My guy

I have 17% crit

I KNOW IT WONT

[minor gust]

fine even better I hope your demolish gets parried

[tiny dock]

holy fuck this maintenance

CMON MAN STOP EXTENDING IT

what was yesterday for

[dire hinge]

you can hard commit to one niche and have it be a dead-end that doesn't earn you any money, like i did 😄

[tiny dock]

what happened with you?

wrong spec during DF?

[dire hinge]

Blasphemite (TWW Alch)

[opaque citrus]

Dude imagine getting this worked up over a couple hours of downtime the day after main launch

Get a job lmao

[tiny dock]

i'm wfh brother

[opaque citrus]

Do your job lmao

[tiny dock]

stop judging me for wanting to play lmao

mfer you worry about yourself

[dire hinge]

chill my guy

[tiny dock]

nah lmao don't tell me to do my job

[tiny dock]

i thought blasphemite was going to be a money maker

[dire hinge]

each one sells for 1.2k atm

takes tens of thousands in gold to make a single one, and/or 4 days of in-game CDs

[tiny dock]

yeah crafting rn is rough, but i'm sure your spec will pay off once we're a bit into S1

[shadow ibex]

let me in

i need to tank heroics for gear

[fossil rampart]

any clue when bloodmallet release their version for arms?

[dire hinge]

i need to sit in Dornugal and self-explode every 15min while learning no recipes

[fossil rampart]

it'll be 10 minutes now

[dire hinge]

true, and less frequent explosions so i can blow more gold on it faster

[shadow ibex]

i havent done anything pve related that isnt heroic dungeon spam

delves can eat my ass

[dire hinge]

(no idea on the bloodmallet thing, i bet it's blocked by the APL/SimC updates, like raidbots)

[shadow ibex]

as can rep

[fossil rampart]

oh well

[tiny dock]

but don't you want your brann to be max lvl before t8 delves come out

[fringe moon]

Sigil of Algari Concordance sims very high

[shadow ibex]

for gear i can farm doing m+?

ima have to pass

[fringe moon]

Shadowed Essence also simming very high

[tiny dock]

what else are you going to spend your coffer keys on

[shadow ibex]

what the hell is a coffer key

[dire hinge]

Delves get randomly empowered, if you run it the rewards chests at the end will have a special-chest you unlock with a key, containing higher gear.
Right now devles are locked to T3, which is really low. Wouldn't recommend spending keys on them.

[tiny dock]

ya hold them until T8 is release

i think it's guaranteed 603 gear?

[shadow ibex]

ima just strap on a shield from last expac

and hit bosses

[dire hinge]

yeah, Champion 3/8 (603ilvl) with a grand vault of Hero 3/6 (616ilvl)

[frigid lava]

Ah... maintenance is getting longer

[shadow ibex]

well realm list actually appears now

probably few more minutes

[frigid lava]

server up

crap

[fossil rampart]

surely it doesn't get delayed to 12

[frigid lava]

I'm in now

[frigid lava]

auction house is down as well

[dire hinge]

in good news, i have all of my Alch discovery done

i can log off now, im free

[frigid lava]

So far I've made 300k in herbal/mining

[shadow ibex]

i love this cursed axe

or pickaxe rather

[frigid lava]

Gotta take advantage before it gets plauged by bots

[dire hinge]

gathering is good stuff, are you using the super amazing cool Phial of Truesight? it's really nice and definitely worth it

[frigid lava]

whats that

[dire hinge]

reveals hidden nodes throughout the world you can't see without it

[frigid lava]

damn... that sounds sweet

[steep osprey]

Probably expensive lol

[dire hinge]

200g for Rank1 atm, you make it back with like one node

[frigid lava]

I mean... I'm not farming 30 minutes continuously.

200g isn't bad

[steep osprey]

That’s fine then

[frigid lava]

It's not great it's not bad

I will give it a shot

[alpine moth]

It's null stone time

Gathering is horrible gold ATM compared to other things but

I kinda need some null stones

[plush belfry]

skullsplitter for demo arms... is it neccessary?

as in, not a major loss

and if i were to drop it what for? it's definitely the best point to spend but idk clunks up my aoe

[smoky kayak]

you don't really need it for multitarget, no

take SD or Massacre instead

[plush belfry]

lovely stuff. been mainly slayer fury so far so might be a me problem, just seem to be sitting on it a lot outside of 1-2 targets

[mental estuary]

quick question: In aoe, should I dump all of my Overpower charges before Bladestorm, or just ensure I'm not capped

during sweeping strikes*

[latent moss]

never sit on it

it is clunky to use but its damage

[plush belfry]

yeah dont intend to i just lose track of it really. send it whenever i remember to haha

All good once the openers out the way but hopefully when stuff lives longer less of an issue

[rare galleon]

Which darkmoon deck is good for dps?

[fossil thistle]

What do I do with it

[dire hinge]

sell it for 63 gold?

[latent moss]

25 silver and 29 copper

[rose ibex]

With how much collosus buffs cleave, do you think exhilarating blows is a worthy replacement for SkS?

[gaunt owl]

no

[smoky kayak]

Cleave has a short enough CD, and there are enough things that you wanna use in between its cooldown, that you don't really need EB

You could take it though, if you don't care for either SD or Massacre

[rose ibex]

I feel like outside of execute windows I'm basically always capped on rage. It's pretty tough to put a dent in the rageometer even without SkS. You are right that those other talents are definitely more useful

[gaunt owl]

what is rage

baby dont hurt me

dont hurt me

no more

[quick crest]

God I hate skull splitter I wish they’d just get rid of it lol

[rose ibex]

I-i don't know what rage is....

Red stuff

[white anvil]

I am new here. Swapped from sub-rogue to arms warrior during this expansion. Enjoying it so far in heroics.

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, it's especially apparent with Slayer; not much you can do except talent into IP and use it defensively

[tired storm]

Do we even bother with slam?

[rose ibex]

I suppose that would be ok for certain situations... but... then again... more damage :P

[rose ibex]

Im playing colossus arms and i feel i extremely rarely press slam

There's usually overpower available to press over slam

[white anvil]

My apologies if this is in the pins. Is there a spreadsheet for this expansion that illuminates what can be spell reflected and what cannot? Feel like I troll sometimes just standing in a frontal cone only to be disappointed lol

[rose ibex]

It's important to stand in front of these cones to prove how tough we are and intimidate our enemies

[white anvil]

That's true. As a rogue, I had to pop evasion or cloak of shadows (2 min cds) to mimic even a fraction of spell reflect's power.

[manic stirrup]

nothing is really a good replacmeent for sks

sks owns

[white anvil]

Honestly love it especially in pvp

[manic stirrup]

well a general rule of thumb to follow is that if its not directly targeted at you, you cant reflect it

theres nuance to that but thats the general rule

[rose ibex]

Yeah. I might try massacre instead just so i can dump rage faster and i like the gameplay of fishing for sweeping strike executes but iunno

[manic stirrup]

i personally think massacre is a bad talent

but can try it

i also like sniping executes when its good enough to do so

or low enough targets to do so

[rose ibex]

Make bleed bleed more button is probably good for single target. I know nothing. Im bouncing to a new spec every day. This expansion rocks

[white anvil]

Oh. That makes sense, how do you use spell reflect for a DPS gain in M+ or Raid then?

[manic stirrup]

sks is great prio damage

[rose ibex]

Everything but druid has been fun so far, which is tragic because druid itself is fun just the specs don't really get me pumped

[latent moss]

either by some cast going on you and u reflecting it

[manic stirrup]

in raid you dont. they remove all damage reflects from raid bosses

[latent moss]

or taunting the boss to reflect it (in m+)

[manic stirrup]

from m+ the best reflects require you to taunt the boss usually

taunt, get casted on, reflect, tank taunts back

[rose ibex]

Thats a big brain strat too huge for my tiny fish brain

I hit the bad guys

[white anvil]

Spell reflect is off the GCD right? If that is the case, guessing you could just macro the two

[smoky kayak]

yes, but you generally need to taunt before the cast starts

[manic stirrup]

definitely dont do that

[white anvil]

Ah

[smoky kayak]

however, not all casts will finish before SR wears off

[white anvil]

I see

[manic stirrup]

reflect is off the gcd but you dont want to taunt every time you reflect

[white anvil]

Choco, I understand that - I should have specified a separate macro off to the side. But, since you have to taunt before the cast, I see the issue.

Is there a WA or addon that is commonly used then? Seems pretty in depth.

[manic stirrup]

some ppl use a weakaura that shows when a spell that can be reflected is being cast on them

i honestly dont know what its called but you can probably search for “reflect wa” in this discord and find it

[gaunt owl]

yeah we got a king that do a nice WA in here

let me find his name again

@naive plover keep a spreadsheet with the spell that are reflectable

and @summer void do a WA based on it

if my memory do justice

i'm just too zugzug to keep track of everything

[rose ibex]

Why think when can zug?

[gaunt owl]

part of zugzug life

[white anvil]

Thanks for the help guys.

Appreciate it!

[gaunt owl]

is having a bit of knowledge

just enough to keep zugzugging

[white anvil]

What heroics have you guys been farming? It doesn't need to be the best; I'm just looking for some gear leads. I already lucked out and got the egg trinket, so that's done for now.

[smoky kayak]

#1237307732705415228 message

cc: @white anvil

[shadow ibex]

no puzzlebox this tier

i guess stonevault trink is close but 90 sec

[white anvil]

Thanks.

[livid vector]

Is there like actually any point farming ‘bis’ items in HCs? Cuz I feel like it’s just a waste of time since it’ll get replaced almost instantly when 0s come out

[gaunt owl]

absolutly none

[livid vector]

Figured as much

[gaunt owl]

in 2 weeks we have heroics

and then the week after you gonna spam mythic plus anyway

[white anvil]

I'm currently on break, so I'll incessantly ask another vague question - what is one thing to watch out for when you first start playing Arms warrior? Beginner mistakes and all that. I read the Wowhead guide, so these things are better noted with real high key m+/raid exp.

Currently I feel like I just fuck my sweeping strikes up a lot, eg casting it after an important cd like Skullsplitter, but besides that idk.

[white anvil]

just for fun

[gaunt owl]

push MS on CD

[white anvil]

[gaunt owl]

but well if you have the critical thinking of knowing what you did wrong

its basically all you need

sometimes its just delaying your little CD like SS to align it for more bang

[white anvil]

yeah, I felt like I burnt myself out last Xpac pushing aotc and mythic raid and high keys as a sub rogue cause half the fuck ups were errors in judgment, and the other half were accidental physical errors like pressing the wrong key and losing all my buffs (Danse Macabre). Warrior is definitely a lot more grounded. I suppose I have two more succinct questions: 1, if and when do you overpower before cleave in mass aoe? The wowhead guide doesn't clarify this in priority unless I am missing it; 2, when to cast mortal strike in large AOE over cleave? (with sweeping strikes being active in mind)

[rose ibex]

Ngl arms feels pretty clunky but it's so chunky i still love it

[gaunt owl]

to make it simple you dont wanna use your martial prowess stack on MS if SS isnt up on more than 3 target

but basically you do Cleave -> MS -> OP -> Op

we gonna round up the math soon as we expect tuning after heroic week anyway

thats when its gonna be ok to polish our gameplay

[rose ibex]

I figure lots of tweaks incoming

[gaunt owl]

probably a shitload that we wont expect

[rose ibex]

I usually stay away from the more cracked specs because they usually get tuned and nerfs feel worse than buffs. I figure arcane mage and ass rogue might get chopped down to size

Boomie feels pretty sad atm. Their spenders do pretty sad damage

And for some reason feral felt like the squishiest thing in the universe. Like of all the classes ive been playing it just gets destroyed in world content

[gaunt owl]

cant know i only zugzug

[rose ibex]

Warrior damage seems strong but they don't have much else to offer outside of an aoe stun so i figure it should be strong

[gaunt owl]

but i heard boomie are right were they belong

in the bin

[rose ibex]

Warrior fun. Warrior smash zug

[gaunt owl]

[rose ibex]

Bahahaha

This expansion is feeding my altitis and im running with it

Rep gains spread across all your characters? That's nuts

I'm so happy

[gaunt owl]

they are doing some great stuff for alt lvling

[rose ibex]

Arms has always been one of my favorite specs and I don't have to feel guilty about playing it as much as my other favorites

In fact, with warbound items it's nice to have a class for each armor type

[white anvil]

Thank you for clarifying!

[white anvil]

You have good intuition. My mains from legion to df were: FIRE-FIRE-SUB-SUB t1/OUTLAW t3

I can confirm - the nerfs are devastating lol

Suddenly, having 100 APM and a bunch of buff uptime to manage (especially bad with fire, sub, and outlaw tbh - ass isn't too bad) - it's literally a chore to just play the game and do mediocore DPS

Before the nerfs though yeah its great - definitely worth pushing as something like unholy/arcane/fire/outlaw/etc when its worth pursuing. Otherwise, fuck that.

[rose ibex]

I find unless you are doing top top top stuff it's really more important that a class is fun than if it's the strongest thing in the universe. That being said I don't really want to play a class if it's bottom of the barrel and you never get invites either.

Dunno what I'm trying to say. I guess only that it feels bad to suddenly lose a chunk of power where at the level I play if my mediocre spec gets some buffs it's always nice and I'll keep playing them.

[hazy flower]

Depends how strong the meta is

In season 4 if you werent godcomp it didnt matter what class you were

You just sat on the bench

Unless youre pugging for title or higher just play your main

[sage badge]

Arms owns

[magic canopy]

[wanton sierra]

colossus? ❤️

[rose ibex]

Heh. 'Main'

[sage badge]

I'm actually an ele shaman. But colossus arms and prot for warr.

[wanton sierra]

hehe nice, i came from xammy xD on legion... hope colossus surprises our hearts xD im high on ccopiuum

[solid laurel]

question: should I always be using Avatar with Colossus Smash?

[shadow ibex]

avatar lasts super long and with AM u'll probably overlap CS window naturally

[solid laurel]

AM?

[wanton sierra]

anger manangments

[solid laurel]

oh, gotcha -- I guess the question is more: Should I be saving it and only casting it along side Colossus Smash? The guide on wowhead seems to imply that?

[echo forge]

still cloak/wrists for embellishments?

[steep osprey]

FDK owns

[steep osprey]

I’d have loved to play Ele but I don’t like the fact you’re ignoring Lava Burst 90% of the time

[balmy kindle]

Is it just me or execute hits like noodles now

[frigid lava]

It's been noodle for awhile.

[steep osprey]

For arms?

Slayer execute definitely does not hit like a noodle

Doesn’t it do almost more damage than MS in the long run for ST?

[modest marlin]

For me that's great. I was so tired of LvB spam

[nova marsh]

Enhance ftw

because I am monkey who knows no ranged

[nova marsh]

btw you were right

demolish did in fact not crit

[ornate jetty]

I can't even /cast Bladestorm as Slayer. The only way the spell will fire is if I drag it out of the spellbook to put it on a bar

Anyone else having this problem?

[nova marsh]

.../cast?

[frigid lava]

Just bind a key onto it

[nova marsh]

As in a macro?

[ornate jetty]

Yes, as in a macro

BS/Rav macros are just broken for me since the maint

[nova marsh]

Is it swaping between rava and BS?

Oh

[ornate jetty]

But even isolating to just BS doesn't work

[nova marsh]

Tbh I'd say just...use seperate bars for each build

[ornate jetty]

So there's no known player fix and we just wait for blizz to fix it

GG blizz

[nova marsh]

I do that and whenever I swap to BS it just puts it in ravager's place

[ornate jetty]

It all works as Colossus, just not Slayer. Even simple /cast Bladestorm returns spell not learned

[shadow ibex]

I had that happen when i swapped prot and dps had to replace avatar i think its just hero talent weirdness seemed to only happen to me once tho

[ornate jetty]

I'm sure it'll get fixed, but it's definitely broken. Swapping specs doesn't fix it, swapping to ravager and back doesn't fix it. The only fix is to grab it from the spellbook/talent tree

[halcyon breach]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Ravager,@cursor]Ravager; [known:Bladestorm] Bladestorm
Try this macro out and see if this works for you

Just tested it myself, and it works for me, as Slayer

[ornate jetty]

Relogging for the third time fixed it

No macros worked though, so I guess if anyone else has the issue relog until it works

[steep osprey]

@dire hinge You weren't kidding about the camouflaged nodes, they're everywhere lol

ty

[dire hinge]

moneyyyy

[steep osprey]

I still get majority of my nodes in rank 1

idk how to get it more

[boreal quartz]

More skill

[polar drum]

What would I drop for thunder clap in thane?

Oops wrong channel

[steep osprey]

Whirlwind

[boreal quartz]

Random utility + get big tc

[paper ice]

am i tripping or did they remove the ability to move while using demolish

[balmy kindle]

Pretty sure its a anchor yourself and channel move like eye beam from the get go, I can be wrong tho

[dire hinge]

it roots yourself in place, but you can leap while channeling if needed

archi has a nice thread of videos here that demonstrates all of them:
https://x.com/Archimtiros/status/1785100502943842709

[fresh sierra]

whats everyone running for heroic dungeons?

[nova marsh]

Whatever fun

[boreal quartz]

Fury

But i did play colo a bit

[dire hinge]

there's no wrong answer really. Slayer is consistent, Colossus is more spiky. Test em out.
Nothing lives very long in heroic so it's kinda hard to get a feel for cooldowns and whatnot

[boreal quartz]

Shouldve been slayer wcyd

[nova marsh]

I just depise slayer lol

[boreal quartz]

Colossus just bursts less than a wb bs slayer

[halcyon breach]

Whatever gets me from start to finish the fastest

[boreal quartz]

Especially if you run bi colo like the actual key build

[halcyon breach]

Which has just been Fury Slayer, but Arms Slayer should be otherwise the fastest if you pref Arms

[nova marsh]

Always slayer if you wonna be optimal really

[boreal quartz]

No thane?

[nova marsh]

Thane is trash

[boreal quartz]

It's speed hack for all HC

On prot

[halcyon breach]

I dont like either of them

[nova marsh]

In st

[boreal quartz]

[halcyon breach]

But I just play Slayer because it's the stronger of the two

[boreal quartz]

Idk man thane feels prot exclusive

[halcyon breach]

I also haven't specced prot yet once

[median scroll]

👉 🛏️

[nova marsh]

Idk I just find colossus very satisfying

[boreal quartz]

Hdf gelber is alle

[median scroll]

RIP

[halcyon breach]

Will try some Arms later if I cba but doubt it'll feel better for HC spam

[boreal quartz]

It wont

Tried and hated it

[halcyon breach]

Mobs perish before I get half a global out

[nova marsh]

Nothing feels good in hc spam honestly

[boreal quartz]

HC spam on thane

Pull 5829273929 moba

[median scroll]

HC spam on deez nuts

[nova marsh]

I blink and go like "Oh it's all dead? Damm that sucks"

[balmy kindle]

@nova marsh better than noodle executes on slayer for sure

[boreal quartz]

Nudl

[nova marsh]

I mean

Demo is petty noodle without stacks too

[median scroll]

döner donnerstag?

[nova marsh]

I kinda wish collusus might had a higher duration

[boreal quartz]

Nah, stomach isnt at 100% still

[boreal quartz]

Skb warrior

[nova marsh]

Collusus is very annoying to play at times in hc tbh lol

[boreal quartz]

Even on dummies

Tis not it but that's also general lack of gear id wager

Even fury feels jank there

[nova marsh]

Really evreything feels jank when a single set of cd from anyone kills it

[balmy kindle]

Demolish on crits is like dopamine hit tho

[nova marsh]

Demolish on crits is omega feels good

SHAME I HAVE NO CRIT

[balmy kindle]

Slayer is kind of whatever unless u you have meters on

[nova marsh]

Slayer is just so damn bland

Has no flavor

[balmy kindle]

I am not gonna bother until m+ and raids

[nova marsh]

It's plain white rice

[limber prairie]

Hi, best Race for dps minmax?

[boreal quartz]

Mechagnome iirc

Troll good too if ur arms only

[nova marsh]

Transmog is a 15% dps increase

Man ya know

Collusus in df arms would've been so pog

Aligned better with cs, get the extra crit from reck

[balmy kindle]

For sure, would had made stayed for more seasons

Demolish crit happe

[nova marsh]

And we would've used wb with it

[minor gust]

Woe demolish getting parried be upon thee

[nova marsh]

I already parried it myself

by jumping LMAO

[balmy kindle]

I swear demolish getting parried is going to be insanely triggering

[nova marsh]

NOT AS BAD AS CS

At least the aoe slam can't be parried....RIGHT

[minor gust]

That's why Slayer is superior

[nova marsh]

🤷

Ah yes I'd rather run bs on single target

[minor gust]

Can't parry bladestorm!

[nova marsh]

Imagine being an execute spec that dosent even really benefit from exe phase

[balmy kindle]

Miss the days where we would just hit the execute button like a monke and pad the meters on 35%

[nova marsh]

Honestly I liked dfs version of exe

It felt p good

[gaunt owl]

44% more pewpew

Last time i checked

[nova marsh]

Tbh what I still dislike about arms (even more so now) is how strep for talent points we are

[austere river]

biggest disappointment for me on arms was how weak visuals and audio demolish has, like the two first slashes get my attention but the third slam it feels like sometimes just disappears, like compared to palas templar hammer of light, that thing feels like demolish should tbh 😄

[balmy kindle]

More meaty womps more monke

[nova marsh]

I think the slam is the most satisfying part tbh

[hushed sandal]

TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO BE A GODAMN WARRIOR

that will be all

[nova marsh]

And honestly visuals aren't a deal breaker for me. Warriors being more simplistic is the appeal for me honestly

I don't like extra flashy classes

[minor gust]

I'm the opposite I wish warrior had more flashy animations.

[nova marsh]

I think some classes need to have grounded visuals

[austere river]

personally id like the demolish slam to have some ground breaking/exploding effect + clear audio for satisfying slam

feels funny that they kinda tried to culminate that fantasy to colossus but then succeeded doing it way better at templar

[nova marsh]

Really like I said I'd like arms to have a little more talent choice (like idk let collusus take Battlelord and the ms reset talent I don't recall the name of) and...button bloat

It's uhh...getting silly

God I can't wait for blizz to say fuck it in midnight and give us 10 more talent points

And then we take spear too and whatever other new abilities they come up

[robust cypress]

Is there an arms talent build that doesn't use skullsplitter?

[nova marsh]

You can drop it in aoe I think

[steep osprey]

Anyone else love theater

[frigid lava]

u mean the lag?

[radiant sentinel]

Am i an complæete idiot or can you not lsit up for random ´hc dungeons?

[nova marsh]

No u can't

Never could

[steep osprey]

yeah, you can't queue for hc anymore

blizzard said it's too easy

[radiant sentinel]

Got it

My god im old

[nova marsh]

Warrior appeals to two types of players

Old dudes who've played it since vanilla or zoomers playing fury

[boreal quartz]

What about arms zoomers

[nova marsh]

They're the odd ones out

I'm one of them LOL

[steep osprey]

Rather be a zoomer than a boomer

[minor gust]

both specs own in their own way

[nova marsh]

All specs own in their own ways

Warrior slapped even in cn!

[steep osprey]

gonna do first boss the nleave

prayge for sac

[nova marsh]

Doing heroic spam just makes me want to play m+ more

I stg this is cbt

[steep osprey]

lmao

some people enjoy that

[nova marsh]

I mean

I also kinda wonna actually try this season

And at least hit 3k

[steep osprey]

Didn't drop

someone else got it

bozos

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-should-been-gif-23901254

[steep osprey]

do be like that

[minor gust]

I only try in M+ past portals if I got a grp to do it with. Attempted to pug to title once and never again. No grp means I just get CE and enjoy raid farm for the rest of the tier no M+

[nova marsh]

I already know I'm just anywhere near good enough for title

[magic canopy]

tell you what i need a break from my farm madoxd-area52 inv me ill help you get it rq

[minor gust]

I really wanna go for it this expansion but finding a consistent grp is hard

[magic canopy]

my comp stomp almost over

[nova marsh]

Kinda growing to like keys more then raid thou

[boreal quartz]

Seek help

[steep osprey]

Aren't you NA

[magic canopy]

oh i forget you are eu man

[magic canopy]

listen man i get my 2100 then afk rest of the pvp season

[steep osprey]

Fuck this lag

@real ore got gloves instead of trinket

im gonna keep myself safe

and again someone else got trinket

[radiant sentinel]

Well and then the players coming from Doom into wow, a class that relies on pure anger to not die

[balmy kindle]

Agreed. Arms has some very filler talent points that can use some streamlining for sure

[slow saddle]

the whole issue is MS baseline being SUPER duper weak

so ideally imho maintain the dmg of class mby and remove some of the multiplyer dmg. and add it inso a stronger baseline

[balmy kindle]

I think most of us here can probably come up with better tree ideas than blizz but oh wells

[slow saddle]

yeah, like this isnt even a tree thing

its just a tuning thing

im ngl i love when i hit the big gamba crit

but i curse way to much of the time

dopamine vs anger is not at a good ratio 😄

[balmy kindle]

I do like arms consistency of not having super fat cooldowns, playing MM on DF season 1 was pretty annoying..

Trueshot up ? Omg time to pad

Trueshot down ? I sleep

[slow saddle]

problem is its highly inconsistent atm ye :).

tbh opener is a puzzle

without the dopamine super burst 😄

[balmy kindle]

It could be worse

[boreal quartz]

Wait can you actually do rated next week

[slow saddle]

rend - ms - roar(avatar) - cs- SKS??- collosus smash // bladestorm ?

thing is u gotta do this all the time and the shit doesnt align

in M+ it doesnt feel as bad though

[magic canopy]

not next season but full season i think

still if you cant get conq its still full geared

[boreal quartz]

Oki

Makes sense

To jail i go

[balmy kindle]

It's kind of the issue where your CDs are all over the place.. but we do have decent uptime.

Not sure why they removed avatars interaction with AM

[slow saddle]

i mean the burst butthurt for me is the removel of the value of warlords Torment?

[steep osprey]

Avatar never has an interaction with AM?

[slow saddle]

worst

like they just clobbered that talent and never replaced it

the current iteration with the 25% crit chance and 25% rage gain on CS would make CS feel good

still feels good btw

and sorry let me cry FUCKING BLIZZARD FIX THE AH

[frigid lava]

I keept getting dc'd

[balmy kindle]

My bad, avatar uptime was huge on DF due to torment, felt like I had avatar for all pulls

[boreal quartz]

Torment gives reck

[balmy kindle]

Correct me if I am wrong, didn't bladestorm gave avatar

[boreal quartz]

If you picked the cringe bad torment

The double bs one

[balmy kindle]

I only played DF season 2 as arms so maybe I was cringe

[boreal quartz]

I just hated the zero st it did

[violet bough]

Hi all!
Any usefull macros to use on arms to escape the button bloat?

[thick kelp]

no

[violet bough]

Damn

Can I change skullsplitter with smth else then?

[thick kelp]

do you care about doing dps

[violet bough]

I guess?

[thick kelp]

then you cant

[balmy kindle]

I hook rend and charge on the same button

Avatar with CS is kind of eh since you likely want to split them but it's doable

[violet bough]

Thanks!

[balmy kindle]

Personally since I use colossus, I might just macro avatar with Thun roar since both will be 1.5 mins

Saves me all the headache

[steep osprey]

How big is it

What’s the loss without SkS?

[empty sluice]

Why dont u wanna play it xd

It just lines up nicely to roar

And extra ability to press aint that hard

[steep osprey]

I don’t mind it, just wondering

[thick kelp]

big enough to not drop it in st

[steep osprey]

You mean take it?

I’m confused

[hazy flower]

Yes u want to take it

In st

Because loss is pretty big

[steep osprey]

Ok gotcha

[thick kelp]

yes i typod

[hazy flower]

Thats why you have that emote next to your name

[thick kelp]

True and real

[plucky fern]

you can put charge and impending victory in one macro (theres one in wowhead guide if i remember correctly), and you can just remove rend from your bars and only use TC because diff in damage is very minor
other than that nothing i guess, had the same issue and those are the only optimizations i found

dropping SkS is definetly not a good idea, actually not a bad button when you get used to it and does good damage

[slow saddle]

im guessing SKS is gonna be pretty decent in a some kind of hybrid M+ build in higher keyts as well. though... might be an issue since critical thinking and juggy is nice on slayer hmm

[plucky fern]

its not even bad in aoe

when roar and SS up

double sks is better than anything else you can press except for cleave

[slow saddle]

yeah exactly

ofc in hc dungeons not worth

[warm monolith]

Whats the First craft Item should i Take with Sparks weapon ?

[gusty oxide]

i'd say to wait for week one, and adjust on what you will be looting

[warm monolith]

Fromm First vault or what loot u mean

[gusty oxide]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-P988ibclxaKCGrAcrx_v1X-hLdkCVUgy_ZFPzLNn_s/preview

[balmy kindle]

One of my gripes with the class fantasy - instead of us bonking stuff our best ST is smth that makes guys bleed faster

Sks just doesn't have the dopamine hit of a fat MS / execute / demolish

[plucky fern]

yeah i agree, visuals are just not there for sks or bleeds in general

for arms fantasy bleeds are fine tbh, its fury who is just bonking stuff, arms is more tactical and making a precise strike and make enemy bleed to death is totally fitting
but the visuals and the feel in game is just meh

[magic canopy]

if anything SkS should just be removed

its suppsoed to be a Helmsplitter, but that just makes it sound too much like colossus smash

and it shouldnt bleed it should crush or do big dam

tbh they just need to rework the entire spec and potentially remove CS