I mean I dont see the big deal if its raid and you dont need the stormbolt point for anything
#arms
minor gust
rare kite
well i just checked the m+ guide and it's there as well. actually so funny
gaunt owl
people gonna go grief
not gonna beat the warrior have no brain allegations with that one
raven ivy
where do I stormbolt in my burst
waxen elbow
W Revvez
rare kite
oh i know, just memeing
"why is rank 1 casting stormbolt in st" can't wait to see that in discord
you know it's gonna happen
steep osprey
because he's bored
gaunt owl
<@229446360284397570>
we have to put a disclaimer
you are not Revvez so dont do it
and PS : you are too stupid to understand even
minor gust
what interesting is in his 2 target opener he doesnt have stormbolt in there
he gonna confuse ppl!
gaunt owl
and 5 seconds later you hear on vocal
minor gust
minor gust
everytime
boreal quartz
TIME SPIRALL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
wide apex
I appreciate the storm bolt addition
might not have thought of it myself, the downside to having it on cooldown is obvious
boreal quartz
we did know abt it but its rat tech so 🤷♂️
magic canopy
smoky kayak
it's completely insignificant sim bait
wide apex
yeah but not everyone reading guides would know about it @boreal quartz
smoky kayak
it's exactly the kind of stuff that shouldn't be popularized
rare kite
it's completely insignificant sim bait
oh i am aware, just never thought about it. and it's hilarious
boreal quartz
it wasnt in the guides this was more during the sim work 
gaunt owl
Warning simbaiting in progress
untold pewter
Nothing wrong with sharing it imo
People that don't understand whether they should or shouldn't stormbolt during Bladestorm probably won't be doing keys at a level in which not just sending it matters anyway
gaunt owl
Misinformation spreading
boreal quartz
Nothing wrong with sharing it imo
People that don't understand whether they sho...
i assure you 99.9% people's gameplay is not at a level where the optimization is a worthy gain
smoky kayak
Nothing wrong with sharing it imo
People that don't understand whether they sho...
not sure I agree tbh, people are very easily misled into chasing higher theoretical numbers, and if they see something suggested they'll think it's something they should be doing
smoky kayak
and the damage out of Storm Bolt is a complete joke
if you're in a position of using SB for damage during BS, you should be spending the talent point on something else
gaunt owl
untold pewter
My point is the folks doing actually hard content will be more aware about how DR on stuns work and what not
And the folks not doing harder content won't really make or break their vault keys by doing it
smoky kayak
rounded up to 0.1% btw 😆
gaunt owl
the minmaxing brainrot
wide apex
wouldn't this just happen on every single boss in m+ @smoky kayak
except for the ones you'd stun an add in
gaunt owl
My point is the folks doing actually hard content will be more aware about how D...
nah even people doing hard content dont know better
rare kite
15k damage. HOLY MOLY
smoky kayak
reduced by armor
rare kite
the cata tech
smoky kayak
hell so is Charge weaving
Charge deals almost as much damage as Storm Bolt btw
but you don't see guides telling people to cycle charge between GCDs for damage 
(also because it's a lot easier to fuck up)
wide apex
yeah idk I think storm bolting is a lot more relevant than leaping. I can see why you wouldn't want it in a guide
smoky kayak
if you're not using either for their intended purpose, it fits in about the same imo
but yeah... sometimes you gotta save people from themselves; you start putting in stuff like "use SB during BS for a tiny bit of extra damage, but it doesn't really matter" and people are gonna read it as use SB during BS for extra damage and forget the rest
rare kite
i love irrelevant shit like this, tho in hindsight i prob shouldn't have posted it incase someone thinks they should start doing so.
smoky kayak
twice as strong as SB!
untold pewter
gonna add the heroic throw while charging too
I do that LMAO
rare kite
gonna add the heroic throw while charging too
true! my tooltip has it 3k damage over SB
untold pewter
I think sharing it is fine but it should be added as an "Extra tip" with the relevant information attached to it rather than "this is how it should be done", sure
magic canopy
wish they would give is some form of decent gcd ranged range option
just put heroic throw on a 15 sec cd and let it build some rage
rare kite
wish they would give is some form of decent gcd ranged range option
until they make it into a tierset
gaunt owl
I think sharing it is fine but it should be added as an "Extra tip" with the rel...
little tip like this need context yep
smoky kayak
that's why I'd put it under a tech section or something, not in the main rotation
but seriously, if you're in a position of using SB for damage, you should really consider talenting something else - take Pain & Gain or Honed Reflexes or w/e
gaunt owl
ready for some out of context number in sim ?
food buff is bugged
ginarmous value
rare kite
but seriously, if you're in a position of using SB for damage, you should really...
you know the funny part he doesn't even have it talented in the raid build
he knows it's a meme
untold pewter
but seriously, if you're in a position of using SB for damage, you should really...
I imagine it more like "eh I have this here and I'm fighting this boss with no adds might as well press it"
smoky kayak
Yeah, def wouldn't spend the talent point in a raid build
untold pewter
But 100% agree, it's a "rat tech" tip
smoky kayak
But 100% agree, it's a "rat tech" tip
like running all your sims as mechagnome, cause so many people play it
wide apex
you know the funny part he doesn't even have it talented in the raid build
those are fury talents
smoky kayak
Fury also uses Bladestorm
rare kite
those are fury talents
ye tru mb
drifting apex
Anyone could remember me why we use roar before avatar at opening please
wide apex
Yeah, he doesn't have stormbolt in the rotation for fury @smoky kayak
so you shouldn't argue he thinks its a meme based on that information
he specs it and has it in his rotation in the arms guide
I don't imagine speccing into that for raid myself tho
rare kite
I mean he's also specced into thunderclap on st
smoky kayak
he's taking TC instead of Shockwave, which is a nil difference in ST - need one of them to reach Reinforced Plates
but it's also just an inconsistency, cause Arms and Fury get the same value out of SB during BS
wide apex
yeah im sure theres some points that can use updating in the guide
ill def be stormbolting in m+
smoky kayak
if you're gonna do it for one, no reason not to do it for the other... but you'd still be better off taking Fast Footwork or even Bitter Immunity
wide apex
its either that or eat cheetos
gusty oxide
Day 2 and a half, and we still have our bonus sets active
rare kite
Day 2 and a half, and we still have our bonus sets active
prob waiting til official release, zero chance they don't disable the set bonuses at some point. s3 2p fury for example is just crazy strong
gusty oxide
Oh yeah, it will happen, no doubt about that
zinc wolf
Enjoy while it lasts
minor gust
i love irrelevant shit like this, tho in hindsight i prob shouldn't have posted ...
I mean its not on you its in the maxroll guide ppl are gonna see it no matter what
acoustic mulch
so our sets and embelishments didnt work on the „normal“ release date? that would be nice, im running sims with gear and embelishments + tierset is too stronk
sage bison
Agility warrior new meta?
civic briar
Anyone else got problem with sims? 😂 trying to figure out when i can drop tier, but doesnt seem to be viable yet
shadow ibex
So use it until they disable or nerf it
Nothing you can do now is meaningful content
civic briar
Nothing you can do now is meaningful content
Yea ofc, just buggin me thats it 😂
boreal quartz
Anyone else got problem with sims? 😂 trying to figure out when i can drop tier,...
sims broken rn
civic briar
sims broken rn
yea simmed 2.5mill dps st with 555 ilvl so that seemed kinda strong for s1 😄
frigid lava
570 ilvl
shadow ibex
I was thinking monk but I hate how energy works man
Already got a DK and few wars at 70 no point to boost
minor gust
I feel like energy hasnt been real for energy classes in a long fucking time
shadow ibex
I like classes that spend cash
minor gust
oh so like the new Bobby Kotek class
shadow ibex
fuck it probably just gonna slam dh
minor gust
that class is in more shambles than arms
olive nest
xD
still questing
I decided to full clear all zones one at a time since its early access
wanton sierra
idk what happend, but this time im enjoyng very much, to do quests... im doind all of them, they are not hard
gilded stump
Anyone else got problem with sims? 😂 trying to figure out when i can drop tier,...
I had several people yesterday in a few dungeon runs with full DF gear and legendary and they didn't really do any amount of significant damage I don't think keeping tier is as good as people make it out to be, and surely it's gonna be disabled anyway once the game actually "releases"
olive nest
idk what happend, but this time im enjoyng very much, to do quests... im doind a...
actually, same here!
I usually avoid questing and power level to the cap
this time around im actually enjoying them all so far
the ||Kobald|| quest line was so cool!
wanton sierra
im with you, i decided to clear everything... i quite like thhe maps, themathics.. theh vibe.. very good start launch
wanton sierra
the ||Kobald|| quest line was so cool!
TRUE! tons of fun
gilded stump
I dunno ringing deeps been lagging pretty hard the last few days
olive nest
||Climbing the rock wall was awesome even being such a simple quest||
wanton sierra
true... there is some especifc times that wow gets ULTRA LAGGY... you press pick up loot and all the sudden you start to pray with knees on the ground... *not loading gear information to pick up quick"
misty bridge
which of the darkmoon deck trinkets is the one you want?
minor gust
the one that looks pretty
wanton sierra
||Climbing the rock wall was awesome even being such a simple quest||
on that quest wow become HARD LAG... i was up and down with mobs droppin me but i was spammin and then i was bblinkin
i made it
shadow ibex
everytime i read deathbringer talents i get more interested
wanton sierra
someone said about spiteful serenity... to extend iftk duration... is it worth?... numbers feel low
latent moss
I had several people yesterday in a few dungeon runs with full DF gear and legen...
ye i wish arms tier wasnt like 15%
lunar lotus
whats the talent that casts sweeping strikes during ravager again?
weary mountain
Blademaster's Torment
olive nest
its actually the capstone for avatar
wanton sierra
is it worth? i think the best part of the talent is the cleave cdr
olive nest
Not worth really
latent moss
in strict aoe yes
same way in strict st warlords is worth it
but since uproar is so close to both of them at the same time
the moment there is both aoe and st (m+)
uproar wins automatically
viral needle
any good Ui`s on wargo?
civic briar
ye i wish arms tier wasnt like 15%
Yea that seems to be the problem. I tried on dummy and flat ms dmg is higher with tier than with 560+
wanton sierra
Yea that seems to be the problem. I tried on dummy and flat ms dmg is higher wit...
do you know the breakpoint ? maybe around 580 ?
frigid cipher
think it might just get disabled before youd have time to outgear it
Kinda feel like it'd get disabled either on official release or on reset
shadow ibex
yea i wouldnt worry too much about it at all
civic briar
do you know the breakpoint ? maybe around 580 ?
no clue
civic briar
think it might just get disabled before youd have time to outgear it
yea kinda hoping for it, otherwise s1 raid is gonna be spicy 😄
bronze sand
is Skullsplitter really used for Arms Colossus in M+? I feel like I can never actually use it, Wowhead has M+ talents taking Skullsplitter and Blunt Instruments instead of Warbreaker which feels wrong
civic briar
is Skullsplitter really used for Arms Colossus in M+? I feel like I can never ac...
prio dmg is king, aoe is for the weak
wanton sierra
sks build in m+ is good on funnel /priotarget... but i think its kinda messed the cooldown not allinged with SS
bronze sand
prio dmg is king, aoe is for the weak
tru
yeah I'm just pracitcing my roatation and my cds are all out of sync
wanton sierra
sks should have 15 sec cd... or be more effective with longer cd
bronze sand
you basically only use it on bosses or if theres a priority target though?
civic briar
use it after clap and roar 😄
bronze sand
oh does it drain the bleeds on all targets or just the one youre attacking
civic briar
should be on 2 targets with ss, otherwise i believe its only the target you hit
boreal quartz
oh does it drain the bleeds on all targets or just the one youre attacking
Ur own stuff
nova marsh
Imagine if SKS affected all bleeds
Feral druids would be so happy with an arms warrior
latent moss
wotlk trauma 
midnight mural
Bladestorm feels so.... weird in the new rota..
nova marsh
It's honestly why I didn't go for slayer
latent moss
ravager 🐐
gaunt owl
i miss DN
weak wave
Bladestorm feels so.... weird in the new rota..
Bladestorm never felt weired!
frigid lava
Weird sounds differntly these days lol
minor gust
WTB Fury bladestorm
frigid lava
How does fury feel right now?
gaunt owl
feels bad sending Bladestorm on ST not gonna lie
midnight mural
feels bad sending Bladestorm on ST not gonna lie
exactly
minor gust
feels bad sending Bladestorm on ST not gonna lie
press stormbolt to fill the time
frigid lava
fury sends BS on ST?
frigid lava
I've upgraded a bunch of stuff... spending resonance crystals.. i messed up?
frigid lava
I dunno... I'm saving a second best two handed just in case I go fury lol
spare spruce
Still feels better pack to pack though right
minor gust
you have OF and bladestorm and Troar if u run uproar pack to pack is fine
untold aspen
Guys I have a fyrakk boost tonight, what spec is the go
?
ruby ibex
hey guys any of you know if the macro avatar and warbreaker is bugged? cant youse both of them :/
dire hinge
hey guys any of you know if the macro avatar and warbreaker is bugged? cant yous...
We also don’t really use Warbreaker any more, so you can save yourself that headache if you want and just use Colossus Smash.
That said, Warbreaker and Colossus Smash don’t seem to auto swap between each other within macros, meaning you need a conditional macro that casts Warbreaker or Colossus Smash based on the talent you know currently
But yeah as mentioned, you can Macro them together, but there might be times where you want to CS but not Avatar, so it’s good to keep them separate. You can macro them together, but there are situations where it can be a detriment to do it
manic stirrup
Whats the M+ play these days boys?
looking like fury but will be pretty similar either wya
manic stirrup
Man fury always feel better
arms was better in s2 df imo
ruby ibex
thsnks for the reply guys i will take a look 😄
slow saddle
Why cant we have sweep unhinged doesnt even hit that hard, and matches our niche
nova marsh
We also don’t really use Warbreaker any more, so you can save yourself that head...
Hey hroth did u update ur weakauras
nova marsh
Why cant we have sweep unhinged doesnt even hit that hard, and matches our niche
No reason, just blizz said so 🤷
rancid willow
Am I absolutely blind or is Ignore Pain gone from arms?!
frank rock
Am I absolutely blind or is Ignore Pain gone from arms?!
it's not
rancid willow
oh gotcha! I was staring at the Warrior tree. Did they move it?
woven wasp
no
minor gust
same spot its been all DF
rancid willow
Im old.
minor gust
happens
empty sluice
manic stirrup
everything felt so good in s2
echo forge
and hope for a highroll?
this is based on the crafter, my bad.
brittle forge
are there any pvp builds ? Only found the links to wowhead and raid / m+ builds
fossil rampart
When will they make arms great again. When will we stop being the oppressed class. 
old urchin
I just like being dramatic
Anyone messing with the Darkmoon decks? They're super cheap on my server
manic stirrup
i just bought them for ilvl for when heroic dungeons r released
old urchin
Yeah
manic stirrup
i think u need 560ish ilvl to queue
old urchin
Ya I just got done shopping for greens on the AH. Kinda silly the greens are higher ilvl than normal dungeon drops. Like why even have normal?/
hazy flower
had some weak points
S3 pre buffs was a bit weak yeah
modest bone
Whats the meta for the New talents ?
hazy flower
I got lego exact same week we got buffed
On wednesday too
felt insane to do keys
Legit doing 20% more damage
manic stirrup
never got leggo lol
nova marsh
Whats the meta for the New talents ?
for hero trees run slayer for max damage
indigo nexus
When will they make arms great again. When will we stop being the oppressed clas...
Wait, are we bad right now? Fury is funnier but dps seems good to me
hazy flower
We’re not bad numerically
indigo nexus
Im still hesitating in what spec to play… arms stats are similar for tank spec but fury seems funnier
manic stirrup
very very slight nerf
indigo nexus
What does arms have for you to main in comparison of fury?
manic stirrup
wdym
minor gust
real warriors play both
manic stirrup
i play whatevers better but thats bc im a tryhard
indigo nexus
i play whatevers better but thats bc im a tryhard
Oh
gilded trail
Going to change this expansion, gonna try arms
slow saddle
i prefered old arms
current iteration im not so certain atm
but thats just coz demo is to weawk
and some tuning shit, if i could play demo ( and u could move with it ) + they made sure CDS aligned.. i would LOVE arms
visual fern
current iteration im not so certain atm
minor gust
400 or 400 million
noble timber
dumb question, but when should i break 4pc
minor gust
until they nerf or disable it
minor gust
it doesnt matter anyways
fossil rampart
Wait, are we bad right now? Fury is funnier but dps seems good to me
Not bad by any means but when compared to majority of the other specs, we get laughed out the room
manic stirrup
literally not true
fossil rampart
literally not true
Elaborate
fossil rampart
You don't think we're significantly weaker compared to other classes? Melee for that matter
minor gust
numerically no
fossil rampart
Yes we are
minor gust
arms is not
manic stirrup
rogue sucks equal with dh worse than monk enhance and frost, better than unholy ret and surv
pretty much equal
average*
could argue above average bc theres 3 rogue specs
great st/prio damage makes them better than unholy despite unholy doign absurd aoe
manic stirrup
also with melee looking good warrior has higher prio bc hbs
hazy flower
Unless its pwar angle
steep osprey
You don't think we're significantly weaker compared to other classes? Melee for ...
Nope
hazy flower
But you might just take bear
manic stirrup
true and it very well could be a pwar angle
fossil rampart
I guess we huffing on the copium
manic stirrup
though bear does look just about as strong
steep osprey
You’re huffing on bullshit
minor gust
arms design is shit numerically were fine
manic stirrup
better to have war dps and druid tank than war tank druid dps lol
minor gust
chillin in the middle
fossil rampart
You’re huffing on bullshit
Relax or exit the conversation
hazy flower
Also I remmeber in s2 when guardian was meta they were unkillable even shit ones
steep osprey
I couldn’t be more relaxed
hazy flower
I assume the tank is just that easy to play
steep osprey
Also I remmeber in s2 when guardian was meta they were unkillable even shit ones
I do
steep osprey
Thane prot looks fun
hazy flower
And not purple leaping into big pack into oneshot
manic stirrup
druid can easily die on pull too
though with skin being like a 30 second cd its not nearly ascommonm
steep osprey
And not purple leaping into big pack into oneshot
Insert dh rlp gif
minor gust
Sparks wont start until season 1 begins
wary steppe
ahh crap ty
opaque citrus
And not purple leaping into big pack into oneshot
What’s wild is vdh is stupid easy
I was astounded by pug vdh players
minor gust
pressing demon spikes is hard
opaque citrus
pressing demon spikes is hard
Unironically people argued this
“Sometimes I accidentally use both charges too fast”
“Then I can’t have uptime”
minor gust
opaque citrus
Idk man just don’t do that??
manic stirrup
What’s wild is vdh is stupid easy
idk i actually think its harder than pwar
theres no real failure point on pwar
minor gust
Pwar is pretty spammy
manic stirrup
hit your buttons fast enough and win
opaque citrus
pwarr is fast paced but easy
manic stirrup
but im young so fast paced isnt hard at all
gilded rampart
We dont take executioners precision in m+? Do we just send MS everytime its up and else Exec? As colossus
manic stirrup
i personally think you should instead of fervor of battle
minor gust
not taking EP sounds silly
manic stirrup
i mean fervor is prio dam
minor gust
its also not boss dmg so just a choice that needs to be made
smoky kayak
Yeah, Fervor is kinda necessary to make Collateral work nicely
if you want EP, which I agree is a solid choice in M+, the best drop is Sudden Death
minor gust
just now lookin at your colossus build any reason why you value sks over EP
smoky kayak
SkS is a lot of dam
manic stirrup
if you want EP, which I agree is a solid choice in M+, the best drop is Sudden D...
yeah thats what i meant no sd instead of fervor at the start
smoky kayak
like I said, if you want EP, drop SD - that's what I do
smoky kayak
SkS doesn't do anything really special, it just lines up easily with Sweeping Strikes and provides a lot of 2 target damage
personally I'd happily skip it just to eliminate the keybind
manic stirrup
what is the effective cd of demolish in aoe
seems like 30ish seconds
could you get 3 per avatar?
smoky kayak
what about for Slayer dropping SD for SKS
Yeah Slayer doesn't need SD, I think SkS actually is better
minor gust
which just makes it even funnier
Slayer the exe hero tree that doesnt take any exe talents
rare kite
could you get 3 per avatar?
with high enough haste levels i'm sure you could
shadow ibex
fitting demo cleave sks ravager on bars after DF is true growing pains
oh yea and bolt and shockwave
manic stirrup
shoudlve already had cleave
ravager replaces bladestorm
sks was a bind too
bruh
hardy coral
curiousity is there a way to still have condemn design on our execute?
or is it forever gone
woven wasp
gone
minor gust
yes
primal hornet
Hi all, is it ok to send Mortal Strike and Cleave without Overpower buffs ? Or should you always hold them for 2 overpower buffs ? 😮 From what I'm understanding is always keep Mortal Strike on cooldown, but its alright to MS with no Overpower, or a single Overpower buff if thats all that can be done ? 😮
primal hornet
Gotcha 🙂
minor gust
you will be fine with m0s their dailies and much harder
unkempt pilot
What’s sKs?
woven wasp
Skullsplitter
minor gust
such is the life for arms
unkempt pilot
It’s slayer for m+ ?
minor gust
currently yes its slayer for M+
unkempt pilot
Does the boss here have a pin of talent tree?
unkempt pilot
Thanks
smoky kayak
nope, the animation is no longer available to us
lament star
They're going daily when they open
nova marsh
Oh that's lovely
obsidian gulch
Are any of the darkmoon triinkets worth getting?
devout pewter
Were they ever worth the time and money recently?
frigid lava
So far...
low pond
I’m horrible with weak auras anyone have a colossal might that just shows stack count and timer?
gaunt ice
I’m horrible with weak auras anyone have a colossal might that just shows stack ...
try chatgpt
dire hinge
I’m horrible with weak auras anyone have a colossal might that just shows stack ...
most weakaura packs will have one, you can download the pack, then pull the aura you want out of it and delete the rest
frigid lava
use a similar aura... then switch out the name
tepid yew
renown for the shoulder, helm, chest
tacit cedar
for SKS do you to apply bleeds first then sks or can you sks just on CD
dire hinge
for SKS do you to apply bleeds first then sks or can you sks just on CD
Bleeds first on pull, but they should be always rolling already if you’re using it mid-combat
tacit cedar
yeah thats more what i was looking for, i usually apply it after everything is up first anyhow
dire hinge
yeah thats more what i was looking for, i usually apply it after everything is u...
yeah, it's usually charge -> rend -> [major cds] -> Mortal Strike -> OP -> SkullSplitter
frigid lava
where u getting those epics from?
Work on reps. You can buy them for renowns
tacit cedar
if you finish loremaster (minus the bugged and time gated quests in hallowfall) you end up with 7-8 with everything
fair siren
Work on reps. You can buy them for renowns
which one is the wep from
tacit cedar
weapon is either crafted or off a rare spawn + upgraded
fervent glen
is it worth breaking tier set for the vet track pieces off renown vendors?
frigid lava
which one is the wep from
I got that from a Delve (with a weekly key)
frigid lava
What's your addon for "not enchanted" item please mate
Probably OiLvL
drifting apex
Probably OiLvL
thx mate
frigid lava
Pleasure
indigo nexus
Is jt better to arms/proc or fury/proc? Stats wise to share armors.
boreal quartz
Most items are shared and youll swap rings neck and trinket
indigo nexus
Most items are shared and youll swap rings neck and trinket
🔝👌🏽
gentle charm
so is it worth saving coffer keys/shards for s1 or they will reset?
ancient warren
I got that from a Delve (with a weekly key)
I heard something about waiting on that weekly delve key? Or is it safe to use
lul
indigo nexus
so is it worth saving coffer keys/shards for s1 or they will reset?
Most ppl say to save them. Right now we have only lvl 3 delves
gentle charm
ye i know
but i wonder if blizz wont make em unusable for s1 delvs
thats they style
empty sluice
Are they gonna turn off df tier sets or not? 👀
boreal quartz
You never know till the announce it
grand idol
Probably. Or they change the problem ones to generic bonuses. Which they have done in the past.
grand idol
Sorta. The one I remember is an old arms set that completely busted the new expansions arms playstyle. So they changed it to be just a generic 5% dmg bonus for both bonuses.
grand idol
its just an example lol
brisk slate
Are they gonna turn off df tier sets or not? 👀
With S1 starting, DF content should move into the legacy category and set bonuses will be disabled.
No using DF sets in the new raids and whatnot.
gilded trail
yeah, it's usually `charge -> rend -> [major cds] -> Mortal Strike -> OP -> Skul...
We use avatar first and then dragon roar and bladestorm?
empty sluice
With S1 starting, DF content should move into the legacy category and set bonuse...
Is it confirmed?
dire hinge
We use avatar first and then dragon roar and bladestorm?
you can use the checkboxes here to build out whichever build you're using:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#rotation
but Roar usually comes first
the upfront hit doesn't matter, it's the bleed ticks. You use it first so that you can get more globals in your CS instead, since we don't run Warbreaker
gilded trail
you can use the checkboxes here to build out whichever build you're using:
https...
Tyvm!! Since I’ve been playing fury for a long time, I wanna try a entire expansion playing arms this time
dire hinge
sure thing, it's a fun time.
slow saddle
Fack what is the new page we can look at that revvez is sponsoring
steep osprey
What
dapper dagger
boreal quartz
Fack what is the new page we can look at that revvez is sponsoring
Maxroll or?
wary steppe
anyone tested the darkmoon trinkets? are they any good? they seem pretty cheap
hollow pulsar
Are there any realm restrictions?
gilded trail
Fack what is the new page we can look at that revvez is sponsoring
Maxroll maybe
slow saddle
❤️
slow saddle
Maxroll maybe
THX
slow saddle
jesus im dumbas 😄 thx again
gilded trail
Np 
slender sonnet
wintry scroll
Guys when the game releases do i hold on to arms 4 set until i get giga ilvl gear ?
Or do i just replace
empty sluice
570-580i is like 50k behind so I guess you should hold 4p sadly
silver chasm
What's the viability of a zero bleeds slayer build? No rend, roar, skullsplitter etc
boreal quartz
What's the viability of a zero bleeds slayer build? No rend, roar, skullsplitter...
0
just don
inland drift
jesus and I felt acomplished with 560, gotta get on that grind
devout pewter
570-580i is like 50k behind so I guess you should hold 4p sadly
Seriously? One item replacing a set item was already only like 200 dps behind for me, and that was like 540 or so
Also do we know if world events unlock at 0:00 tonight, giving us a chance to get them done before actual weekly reset, or do they unlock with the reset? (Talking EU)
dense nimbus
sheesh arent they going to change the heroic dungeon ilvls or smth tbh currently going to an hc dungeon doest even worth it.
quasi torrent
sheesh arent they going to change the heroic dungeon ilvls or smth tbh currently...
Hc dung moment
abstract vale
yeah p funny they reduce heroic dungeon loot to slow gearing
and people outgeared it before heroic dungeons even released
shadow ibex
i cba to min/max early access
i hit cap did a few dailies and checked out
gear up tanking m+ as always 
untold trench
Minmax is really only for boosters/splitrunners, for minmax trading efficiency. For the rest of us 99%, it is just having fun and dabbling with all the content
That said, I have farmed honor for my main
fresh tide
yeah p funny they reduce heroic dungeon loot to slow gearing
it is kind of ???? that world quests just outclass all dungeon stuff until season start
fresh tide
I just wanna blast something that doesn't instantly die, it's kind of
shadow ibex
yea
esp with bleeds
but CD cleaves hit hard
i think biggest crit i had was a 2mil
edgy raft
How much is colo befind slayer in st? Anyone know? raidbots aint using demolish so cant use that😂
shadow ibex
demo root still feels cursed
old urchin
Honestly thought it would feel worse. It ain’t great still. But Slayer just feels bad to me. Hoping they stay about the same. Slayer feels too much like Fury with the extra hits/animations. I’ve always preferred the big heavy swings of arms over fury.
shadow ibex
i like everything else
shockwave knock
cleave and MS boosts + more cleave boosts
the cdr feels good when you can press everything
you can hit 10 stacks super fast between execute cleave and MS on any pack big enough to get cleave stacks
and that boosts OP dmg which is cool
fresh spire
wanton sierra
damn ppl are 580 already
shadow ibex
i will say i dont think rend and tc need to be separate buttons at all
latent moss
shadow ibex
its just pure bloat imo
quasi torrent
its just pure bloat imo
bro my 69 dps
latent moss
im surprised
quasi torrent
Really important
thorn tulip
i will say i dont think rend and tc need to be separate buttons at all
based
tired of the bleeds
sleek terrace
Do you think arms warrior viable option for player do maximum heroic raid and m+12. Mostly playing with lfg. Is fury warrior damage much better than arms warrior?
latent moss
i must minmax my race for maximum dps
crazy how far people go to optimize their character
then refuse to optimize their rotation
halcyon breach
Do you think arms warrior viable option for player do maximum heroic raid and m+...
For that you can play whatever spec and class you want, you're not doing content where it matters what you play
dapper trout
Is arms out performing fury rn? If so my copium has paid off
dense nimbus
my own experience says fury is doing better but still random gear and random stats cant say its accurate
minor gust
You can't really compare the specs rn when the only content you can do is shitty normal and heroic dungeons
dense nimbus
yea thats true.
manic river
then refuse to optimize their rotation
👆
Fury seems to be doing better but I don't know if there is a significant gap overall
manic river
That's nice to hear
latent moss
and fury does more on aoe
manic river
and 
is paying out on single
cunning hound
minor gust
If you care about min maxing for prog you are going to be playing both arms and fury in the raid
minor gust
For M+ no we won't be taking warbreaker
For the stuff your doing rn warbreaker is prob better
bronze sand
is there a specific reason why we dont use warbreaker anymore?
dense nimbus
raid wise
fury will do better not because of numbers
but because of the fights
many of them have adds
bronze sand
but even in dungeons it feels strange not using warbreaker as arms
dense nimbus
feels wrong to spam raging blow as slayer in fury when you have execute as well XD
minor gust
is there a specific reason why we dont use warbreaker anymore?
It's stimply the AOE gain isn't worth the st and prio dmg value that blunt provides. This season of M+ has a really heavy focus on prio dmg with all the Lt mobs
bronze sand
It's stimply the AOE gain isn't worth the st and prio dmg value that blunt provi...
ah gotcha
minor gust
Last I heard warbreaker was only a 2% aoe gain
minor gust
Yeah it's cursed like most of the arms spec
hazy flower
2 or 3% for like 10% st loss when compared to blunt instruments
teal fossil
Blunt also got better in aoe
minor gust
Iftk buff
static lark
can someone explain me why warbreaker is worse for AOE ?
i dont quite understand that
hazy flower
Its worse in m+
In strict aoe warbreaker is better
But the difference is small
So you’re better with blunt instruments which gives you also longer IFTK since it scales with cs duration now
Because you get a lot more st and prio damage by playing that instead of wb
static lark
IFTK is what 😄 ?
hazy flower
In for the kill
static lark
alright so blunt is prob the best option for mixed things
static lark
for delves i assume its the same ?
hazy flower
Havent done a single delve yet but I assume its whatever? Delves are not supposed to be challenging iirc
@gaunt owl
static lark
alright thanks alot mate 🙂
errant flame
how are people crafting 590 weapons
hazy flower
🫡
gaunt owl
oh yeah delve clearly go ST
woven wasp
how are people crafting 590 weapons
rank 5 weathered crest crafts
gaunt owl
you gonna replace it once m+ is out anyway
better burn the 2 shit ressource
since they gonna be useless real fast
minor gust
Gear rn is a meme
errant flame
Gear rn is a meme
i just wanna be purp ya dig get this green shit off me
minor gust
I feel that
woven wasp
i just wanna be purp ya dig get this green shit off me
upgrade your stuff to 570 or w/e and itll turn blue 
errant flame
say plue one more time plood
jokes aside I appreciate the info, ill look into it when I get home
fringe moon
Is there even any point to running normal dungeons atm?
gaunt owl
lvling thats it
reef glade
5 flightstones a dungeon poggers
fringe moon
Ok, so just farming valorstones. Wish they didn’t change the name and just added an expansion number to it
minor gust
You know blizzard and how much they love their themes
steel canopy
@mechctrl
frigid lava
where do u farm valorstones
woven wasp
rdf
frigid lava
rdf?
muted helm
iss arms still taking the single target top spot for war
or is fury looking competitive
woven wasp
They're so close it'll come down to fight design
muted helm
gross
minor gust
iss arms still taking the single target top spot for war
bro for a second there I thought you said Isis arms
muted helm
half junco
if you want a chill method of farming valorstones just farm Wax in Ringing Deeps and turn 10 or 5 wax i cant remember for 10 Valorstones each
fresh tide
I'm assuming/hoping real dungeons will just drop more stones
muted helm
arms has "better" sustained single target right?
my guild boss clears are usually on the slower side so I would appreciate a less varied damage profile
manic stirrup
fury and arms are basically the same this tier
slow saddle
What about playing 2p df with new 2p
manic stirrup
will almost certainly be changed either with release or raid release
bc half the classes in the game use old tier
wary steppe
i just did some dummy training with 2p
fresh tide
I'm really surprised they didn't just disable it tbh
wary steppe
and i do ~7-8% more damage with 2p over 561 gear xD
manic stirrup
i think they havent bc the game isnt officially released
so theres overlap with non early access players who are still playing dragonflight
frigid lava
there are ppl still pushing m+
minor gust
so theres overlap with non early access players who are still playing dragonflig...
See I thought this at first but like all they had to do was put a disable at lvl 76 like they have done before and that wouldnt affect non EA people at all
manic stirrup
true but with scaling if we didnt still have tier we would be so unbelievably piss weak
between 75-79
like completely worthless
minor gust
disable at 76 or 80 its whatever anything above 71 would fix the tier issue
woven wasp
they could also just nerf it to a reasonable level of power
gaunt owl
thats so nice that we started bad in DF
and they even gave us a nice buff on the tier set to help us for lvling in TWW
frigid lava
sim doesn't like ur bs
woven wasp
sims arent updated for tww until global release
tight fractal
I'm not in any other wow discords, sorry lmao. But any blacksmiths wanna confirm for me that these were 30 minutes? It changed in the last like, 20 minutes some time I swear to god. Got live hotfix nerfed?
woven wasp
yeah it was 30 minutes
livid vector
I'm not in any other wow discords, sorry lmao. But any blacksmiths wanna confirm...
It was 30 mins, they did the same to the speed food
Took it down from 6k speed to fricken 500
tacit cedar
hey does anyone know why/ can explain why authority of the depths is better than radiant power? or are they interchangeable
wanton sierra
hey gamers, is it possible to get sojourner of hollowfall? i miss one atchiv to end it... i did dorne and deeps sojourners
tacit cedar
not currently
wanton sierra
ty! i was thinkin i was bugged or something
tacit cedar
time found is time gated lol'
wanton sierra
i miss "memories of the sky"
tacit cedar
yeah that quest is the next in the line for that questline
wise cloud
Is not playing skullsplitter a huge dps loss? (i hate it)
slow saddle
st yes
m+ spec doesnt have it so far
but i do think it would be better to have it.
teal fossil
i think if you are running blunt in m+ you may as well run sks
minor gust
was talking to archi about it last night prob def drop SD for sks as slayer in M+
slow saddle
sd ?`we dont even take massacre as it is now ?
i cant wait for a more like ST / hybrid spec to come out i guess
feels a bit to aoe focused the one i use now
teal fossil
well massacre and sd are pretty different in concept
sd replaces globals but thats not needed in m+
latent moss
i cant wait for a more like ST / hybrid spec to come out i guess
its out
and just better
130k ahead on st and 200k behind on 5t
slow saddle
it is i didnt c i t on maxdps so far or what its called
thick kelp
gaunt owl
the maxdps !
latent moss
or some priest
minor gust
aye yo that looks spicy
minor gust
Jugg living on
west wasp
Whats the max dps slayer tree for arms and talents now?
fervent glen
so is it worth breaking the 4 set for tier but not 2 set? assuming its the veteren 584 renown pieces that break it
minor gust
well find out
slow saddle
no bloodborne?
slow saddle
so is it worth breaking the 4 set for tier but not 2 set? assuming its the veter...
i presume we need at least 600++ gear before
they deffo just need to disable old tier its just way to strong 😄
frigid lava
I sold them all already lol
versed carbon
reef glade
Yea probably
olive nest
muted helm
Demolish burst is higher but in a longer fight slayer comes on top?
Single target
I like demolish big number better player etc
reef glade
slow saddle
yeah thats a huge bummer ngl
frigid lava
new main campaign storyline is active
fervent glen
i presume we need at least 600++ gear before
shiiit, hopefully its disabled :/
astral hollow
Did tier get disabled
Nope still active so far
warm monolith
guys reflext wa avaiable for dungeons ?
elfin pawn
mal ganis down
proven sonnet
stat prio for arms/slayer still crit/haste, I assume?
frigid lava
I belivee so\
nova marsh
mal ganis down
stormrage also died.
But like
Game says it can't contact the servers
frigid lava
tich, still up
mint edge
poors ruining my game
nova marsh
steep osprey
Real and true
nova marsh
You mean people who didn't want to get scammed
steep osprey
I would have enjoyed my time if it weren’t for these poor meddling kids
mint edge
just got back in
slim sinew
SO is slayer the best M+ spec now
mint edge
mtn thane sick for prot though
strange perch
I’m stuck on retrieving characters :/
slim sinew
I was a little confused when reading, is there a difference in Fury slayer and Arms Slayer
nova marsh
try restarting the game one more time lol
strange perch
I’ve multiple times
nova marsh
I was a little confused when reading, is there a difference in Fury slayer and A...
aside from what abilities trigger things like reap
nope
Both kinda just work of SD and bs
slim sinew
bet thanks
pallid flume
How’s arms feeling overall? I’ve been fury along time arms has felt so clunky lately to me! Are we finally happy with the TWW version?
nova marsh
I mean
I think it's a little better then DF
But honestly it's not a huge improvement to me
HOWEVER
I did not play beta and evreything on live currently dies if you look at it slightly menacingly
button bloat is getting a bit much though
modern bison
Hi all! I'm an M+ tank and a raid DPS, and I've always used different toons because I prefer the APM/pace of casters like warlocks instead of melee dps. Someone recommended arms warrior to me as a well-paced DPS spec. I've been experimenting as I level to 70 (no early access!), but does anyone have any thoughts on the arms/caster comparisons?
noble moth
I see a lot of builds taking Fueled by Violence over Ignore Pain. Does it just provide that much more healing or is the rage cost of IP just unattractive?
I know we're all still slightly miffed by the Anger Management nerf but IP is so damn nice in scary mechs.
reef glade
Fbv I think just way more passive nice healing especially in aoe it heals a lot more to be more “consistent” sustain
Ip probably gonna be used a lot more in the highest of keys just to live mechanics
echo forge
is it worth upgrading the hc gear with crests?
noble moth
Alright that's what I figured.
reef glade
But they both do a similar thing just ones passive and spread out healing vs more active instant mitigation
Like content rn nothing should be dangerous enough to warrant ip and it’s an extra annoying keybind so fuq it we ball
gusty oxide
3 hours in, Tier sets are still active 👀
shadow ibex
Enjoy them
Doesn't cause anything except some extra bag space holding the replacement pieces
dire hinge
is it worth upgrading the hc gear with crests?
at the end of your day you're going to be the one that needs to make that call.
If you have a team you run with, i'd check with them to see if they have input as well.
In my (personal) opinion, it's not worth it to spend crests on the gear we have access to currently since you'll rapdily replace this gear as soon as more difficult content comes out
formal verge
Are we still looking at Crist/Haste per the guide as previous seasons? I was under the impression we are moving away from haste
gilded stump
is it worth upgrading the hc gear with crests?
Absolutely not
dire hinge
unga bunga?
gilded stump
unga bunga?
Lucky bastard
dense frigate
they are shitty crests from heroic dungeons. its going to not matter instantly once we start doing mythics and raid
arctic iris
Is M+ next week?
Sept 10th
frigid lava
shit... just heroics until then?
dire hinge
yuppp
livid vector
dont burn yourself out on the expac in early access
Too late 😂
frigid lava
BURNT!
im trying to gather/mine as much as possible... before it gets taken over by 3rd world country sweat shops
shadow ibex
pay2win
i love spending gold to make my character more powerful
cant wait to find the boe 2handed weapon on AH
frigid lava
My motto is never to pay to play.. (besides subscription)
shadow ibex
shadow ibex
is crafting not gated with weekly 1/2 a mat
livid vector
Nah I mean turning the blue shit into epics with the Weathered crests
Got like 7 crafts so I can skip HC dungeons
45 per 590 item or 30 per 590 craft… no brainer if you ask me
boreal remnant
think it's worth to replace my current tier with 580 gear? Saw pins mention it's a bit better to replace with 639 tier
but obv that's not a thing yet
nova marsh
Just did the dawnbreaker
YES. THIS IS AWFUl
Dungeon barely has an actual direction. Like who designed this
high sable
Trying to find a lower APM melee. I tried arms on beta but felt like it was absolutely flooded with resources. Is that right? Arms looking flooded right now?
And by that I mean I was capped on rage more often than not as Slayer
high sable
Ugh that's very unfortunate
boreal remnant
YES. THIS IS AWFUl
it was only shit the first time I did it because it bugged so we never got the fly buff
once you've done it once it's really not that bad
very linear imo
boreal remnant
I mean you dragonride between 2 ships at the start, and then just to get to the next thing
it's not that bad imo
nova marsh
Last boss also just....I don't like bosses where they make it feel like you're doing nothing to them
boreal remnant
dies at what like, 60%?
nova marsh
gee I also can't wait for stupid groups to just
instant wipe at the first boss on higher key levels and loose a full minute
random hull
How's current max level arms feeling? Do we resource starve now with the lower stats?
dire hinge
nothing in current content lives long enough to really feel it tbh
boreal remnant
How's current max level arms feeling? Do we resource starve now with the lower s...
heard people complaining about the opposite honestly
zealous pivot
yeah slayer is rage capped a lot. colossus isnt tuned on the same level so mostly playing that but i prefer col but it feels more rage starved
nova marsh
It probally feels more rage starved because if you aren't using a swing timer demolish has a "bug" where it makes any AA during the channel makes it just not happen
which = lost rage
I prefer collusus and tbh I just....don't care rn
Because the content just dosen't matter enough to min max
But honestly....I don't feel rage starved at all even in dungeons
dire hinge
grave mulch
rip
minor gust
we all saw it coming
solemn sundial
Good why people are even trying to exploit the game with old content items ? lol
neon river
Just disable xp gains and do the progress with s4 tier set
dire hinge
Good why people are even trying to exploit the game with old content items ? lol
gains are gains, and as long as you can live through the stamina difference people will do things to get ahead
solemn sundial
gains are gains, and as long as you can live through the stamina difference peop...
I did that before long time ago on MoP mythic mythic garrosh it just felt so wrong using the heirloom daggers on my rogue to get those extra swings lol
dire hinge
for sure, it's not something most people can/should care about
solemn sundial
Is it just me or arms feels better than fury or maybe I suck in fury
dire hinge
it's all preference, there's no wrong answer if you like it or not
i heavily prefer arms, even though from a mechanics perspective Fury is really well designed.
quick vale
is there a consensus on when to send Demolish? On cooldown or only when buffs align?
dense nimbus
I believe you would like to do it on cd unless the cd is close to allign with CS or other major cooldowns that results in holding it just for a bit. But as most say as long as it doesnt kill you use it.
smoky kayak
Yes, send on CD unless it is just a very few seconds away from lining up naturally
During Execute you can afford to sync it with CS, since you get a lot more CDR out of Execute casts
left siren
May I ask what the rotation of DPS warriors in TWW should be like? Simc has not been updated yet
dire hinge
SimCs should be updated 🤔
The rotation can be found on WoWhead, then you use the tools to toggle which build you're using.
Is there something specific you're looking for within the rotation, since you're looking at SimC already?
glossy sky
which spec is going to be better for m+ and mythic? Arms or Fury ? is it known yet?
gentle veldt
are there any simulations of pre-raid for all the specs?
left siren
If there is a marked for execution and the CD of the blade storm is not , sudden death should the priority be increased？
gusty oxide
AH, tier sets would be disabled tomorrow.
gusty oxide
Good
magic canopy
If there is a marked for execution and the CD of the blade storm is not , sudden...
if bladestorm is on CD, and you have sudden death with 3 Marked for Execution stacks Execute should be a priority
queen wolf
anyone weaponsmithing? need 590 weaps
empty sluice
Is the renown trinket from last zone fixed? Or it still does nothing?
fossil mulch
whats the deal with the taking blunt instruments > warbreaker? is that like a meme or
like in aoe
graceful axle
warbreaker da poo now
empty sluice
Prio dmg owns, gain from wb is like what, 2-3% max
And gain on st with blunt is bigger
empty sluice
True
gusty oxide
Ok, got rid of my tier set, it's dead tomorrow anyway:
steep osprey
no
raven ivy
what's happening tomorrow
Nothing basically
left siren
@magic canopy aoe or single？
zinc tree
Is there a trinket sim for arms?
magic canopy
<@110993922691477504> aoe or single？
both. Bladestorm also casts mortal strike which is big damage
left siren
If I were Fury execute would it also be released like this@magic canopy
magic canopy
yes with 3 stacks of marked for execution it will be priority if bladestorm is on CD
for fury and arms slayer
left siren
Bloodbath and Crushing Blow should be prioritized？
magic canopy
Tell you what give me 20 minutes ill make a video
only for fury slayer i dont know enough about slayer arms
gaunt owl
Push buttons hard with forehead
minor gust
Me arms me press MS and it either do 400k or 4 million no in-between
fast forge
Push buttons hard with forehead
WORKS FOR ME
left siren
@magic canopy 🤩🤩🤩
slow saddle
anyone weaponsmithing? need 590 weaps
isnt it easier just doing dungeons and gettin it ?
slow saddle
Me arms me press MS and it either do 400k or 4 million no in-between
to be fair sometimes its execute
civic swift
is it just me or does demolish channel interfere with unhinged ms hits
slow saddle
i mean i dno, coz theres no way im playing a hero build thats, so bad
tranquil sundial
hows arms?
slow saddle
i mean slayer is worse on arms than fury from a gameplay persepctive
but the dmg is good // fine
boreal quartz
i mean slayer is worse on arms than fury from a gameplay persepctive
ye
colo feels almost ok exe when u properly cdr that badboy
frigid lava
arms feels terrible... probablby because low haste
gusty nymph
Slayer feels good. With 20 haste. I enjoy those talents 🤓
frigid lava
welp
slow saddle
well ii dont have more than 18% haste myself
im just sayin 😄
the feeling when IFTK is down
vs not is big
thorn pelican