24.4% gain in execute for slayer
#arms
teal fossil
29.7 for colossus
The difference literally just comes from the fact that slayer is tuned higher
manic river
I like Hero talents that give you a good theme or a cool ability, Slayer just seems like, you do Arms things but better
But hey
south merlin
I like Hero talents that give you a good theme or a cool ability, Slayer just se...
Demolish is a cool ability :p
manic river
I mean, you say that but they also introduced Devastator at the same time so you dont have to go BS
teal fossil
You mean ravager
manic river
Demolish is a cool ability :p
BANG BANG BANG with my hammah
teal fossil
Because devastator is the prot auto attack thing
frigid lava
sub 20% haste feels painful... coming from 45% lol
south merlin
BANG BANG BANG with my hammah
I really like it especially that we will miss lego effect :p
manic river
sub 20% haste feels painful... coming from 45% lol
Yeah... I felt so weird seeing haste being totally dropped now...
I don't feel so slow now however... the rage spend changes are also interesting
south merlin
sub 20% haste feels painful... coming from 45% lol
My CS went down from 51 to 30's...
astral yarrow
Certified psycho
teal fossil
Except eye beam provides infinite dopamine
Demolish provides 0
Eye beam produces very large quantity of numbers
manic river
I mean how long is it, 2 secs? and you can cast defensives on it
south merlin
Eye beam produces very large quantity of numbers
u r just a colossus hater :p
astral yarrow
Love pressing defensive on an 8mil overkill
shadow ibex
wasting defensive to survive a hit that is gonna kill you anyway
astral yarrow
At least it’s shorter than leggo
teal fossil
You either channel bladestorm or demolish
shadow ibex
the root on demolish is too invasive bliz
dusty dagger
No root on bs and you can cxl it
shadow ibex
i dont think there's a world you would do that
shadow ibex
slayer would lose out on overwhelmed stacks/unhinged casts
flat willow
the good old days
dusty dagger
i dont think there's a world you would do that
Of course not but the option isn't a downside
shadow ibex
considering you can bolt/kick during BS there isn't any reason to cancel it at all tbh
manic river
Just saying you are not entirely defenselesss while channeling
shadow ibex
anything that the root would cause you to be hit by, would be 1 shot mechanic regardless
mortal rivet
considering you can bolt/kick during BS there isn't any reason to cancel it at a...
Does it lock you out of healthstones? Been a minute since testing it
manic river
Yeah that is solved by knowing when to cast it
teal fossil
No you can hearthstone
shadow ibex
hold it for a few and lose dmg is always fun since it's tuned the same as other dps specs yes
not like youre being rewarded for "knowing when to cast it"
manic river
But in general I agree both talent trees would be "better" with some retouching, Slayer to gain more personality in it's mechanics and Colossus so the skill is not so invasive in the rotation
shadow ibex
where's that tactical usage copy pasta
dusty dagger
considering you can bolt/kick during BS there isn't any reason to cancel it at a...
Actually ty, I gotta remember to take bolt and pummel off my pvp cxl bs macros
latent moss
whats hurricane
astral yarrow
Anti cancel dopamine
frigid lava
Arms feels hella slow... (duh).. wonder how fury feels like right now
astral yarrow
Going end of xpac gear to pre raid gear is always jarring
latent moss
Anti cancel dopamine
true
dusty dagger
Don’t you play hurricane in pvp though
dont you utter hur name ever again
get it
hur ricane
shadow ibex
🤢
slender sonnet
gamer
errant flame
Playing arms slayer do we want to cast cleave on ST over slam for chances for reap the storm procs?
Like say I have 2 charges of martial prow and MS is on cd for 3 secs do I hit cleave over slam or wait for MS to come off CD
teal fossil
That shouldn’t happen unless you mess up the rotation but you should slam since it seems to be on ppm
Instead of % chance
shadow ibex
Eating MP stacks on cleave in ST nah
quick edge
teal fossil
Technically you could ms cleave op op
errant flame
That shouldn’t happen unless you mess up the rotation but you should slam since ...
ive had them proc back to back a couple times only reason i was curious
minor gust
If you have cleave and playing Slayer you def can cleave in ST over slam just make sure to not use MP stacks on cleave
Also they changed reap to be % proc not ppm on beta a long time ago unless they just changed it back
errant flame
ok so just be mindful of MP stacks and then Cleave>Slam
minor gust
Yee if you have an MP stack slam > cleave
teal fossil
ive had them proc back to back a couple times only reason i was curious
Ms has 3 gcd of cd
2 of those is going to be op
Since you have 2 mp stacks
So your ms cd is 1.5s at most
And that last gcd should be slam
I don’t even think cleave>slam even gives more reap the storm procs but I’ll do some research
terse osprey
errant flame
unless like you said MS cleave op op
errant flame
oh the scenario was a poor explanation of what I was asking but in that case yeah youd be right
mb
basically was just asking if no MP MS on cd do I cleave>slam
minor gust
The scenario where you usen cleave in ST is a rare scenario
errant flame
ST
minor gust
It doesn't happen often
shadow ibex
i mean such an optimization would be so minor
i wouldnt even enter it into the rolodex
minor gust
Wtf is a rolodex
shadow ibex
its like a pokedex
minor gust
I'm still confused
shadow ibex
im not that old ive never seen one irl
i just thought ppl knew it as a thing to hold info
shadow ibex
the metaphorical rolodex
minor gust
Where dat guy Saito I believe who writes down the warrior rotations and tapes it to his monitor
nova marsh
Guys
nova marsh
Is armes cooked
serene cairn
I know there are some buggy mythic keystones left over, has anyone completed one of them?
fickle oar
Have they seriously just made slayer the undeniable best hero spec for both fury and arms? I swear every time we get some sort of "fun choice" it's never even close for balancing
nova marsh
Based on current tuning yes
dire hinge
I know there are some buggy mythic keystones left over, has anyone completed one...
i wouldn't recommend it, you get higher ilvl than should be available right now and it could be seen as an exploit
nova marsh
Blizz already confirmed it is an expliot
and said they'd be doing bans and rollbacks on any who do them
eternal vortex
When do we replace tier sets?
dire hinge
When do we replace tier sets?
unsure at the moment. Currently they're so strong th;ey're worth wearing for a long time, but they might get disabled when the expansion "releases" fully. it's not clear
smoky kayak
you won't replace them until new tier
what ilevel varies with content, technically DFS4 tier is better than Mythic TWW tier in multitarget
more info here #1237307457382907924 message
gentle island
unless they make some changes or disable it, yes
nova marsh
There's no way it dosen't get disabled
eternal vortex
Thnx for the info folks!
nova marsh
Like....evrey other tier has
smoky kayak
we keep our tier on until we get full new tier?....Wow
at least lol
new tier is not very good either, it's just about a hundred item levels higher 
smoky kayak
It’s probably gonna get disabled
probably - several classes value old tier a lot more than Wars do
smoky kayak
Like....evrey other tier has
though they don't actually disable old tier all that often, it usually happens a couple expansions later, not immediately after
nova marsh
Is TWW even worth it lol
teal fossil
Ill buy your account from you
teal fossil
I don’t wanna buy the new expac
fringe moon
I wish they’d figure out a way to make it so we can swap out our tier earlier in the expansion and not have it feel terrible doing so
mortal rivet
though they don't actually disable old tier all that often, it usually happens a...
Is it still possible to get tier?
eternal vortex
Why would you want such a mid account bro 💀
Did u buy the early access
eternal vortex
Yikes
nova marsh
this wasn't worth it
LOL
Lowkey kinda just wonna level up so I can play with my guild
Question
is anything locked behind the campign
eternal vortex
is anything locked behind the campign
Delves up to tier 3 and norm dungeons
Also WQs
nova marsh
Heard it was short at least
eternal vortex
The lvling doesnt feel that terrible
Also kinda fast
Im just doing ALL the quests for the loremaster achivement
nova marsh
is it faster then df at least? lol
eternal vortex
I'm still kinda sad about arms thou
Why
nova marsh
Killing torments, the MS nerf really hurting collusus...The dungeons looking like meele hell again
teal fossil
Nerfing our cleave for no reason
Guess blizzard got pissed off at us running blunt in m+
minor gust
fun interaction spotted
eternal vortex
I can’t wait to do dawnbreaker in pugs
minor gust
must nerf
eternal vortex
Hooray
minor gust
cant let warriors have cool things
nova marsh
I like arms the most out of any spec tbh
It clicks great for me..
But the state of it is really questionable
dire hinge
smooth out brain, have fun with pixels 
nova marsh
I also kinda really don't wonna level again 
minor gust
everything about current arms design is cursed and needs a great reset
pref reset back to legion
nova marsh
I know it'll be fast but god damn leveling in wow is as fun as being in a white room
fading sage
So far how is arms vs fury looking for numbers? Idc about feel lol
I pref arms and don't wanna be a sad boi
nova marsh
Fury is ahead to my knowledge
smoky kayak
they're very close, also there's no content right now to matter
nova marsh
And blizz is still likely going to do sweeping balance changes week one, ye?
fading sage
they're very close, also there's no content right now to matter
Yeah, I just meant in general if nothing is unchanged going into the season
smoky kayak
they're basically equal at the top end, individual encounter mechs will dictate
shell shuttle
How are the numbers between slayer and colossus?
minor gust
colossus is pretty far behind Slayer in ST
fringe moon
this trinket seems good?
eternal plinth
cleave should apply rend instead of thunder clap for arms don't @ me
nova marsh
...so we don't have to do dot management?
manic stirrup
thunderlcpa isnt even dot management
nova marsh
Just make TC free like prot
eternal plinth
kek
nova marsh
I mean with our new rage econ wouldn't it maybe be a bit better?
...at least for collusus
woven wasp
♻️
eternal plinth
kek
nova marsh
#buffcollusus
minor gust
yes
quiet yacht
awesome
quiet yacht
#buffcollusus
And somehow they have buffed slayer 3 times in a row lmfao
nova marsh
Colossus is gonna be me trolling my groups in keys
quiet yacht
idk whats even going on lmfao
i know i know. its just sims but still
its even worse for havoc
according to sims Aldrachi is around 300k above Fel scarred but they buffed Aldrachi 2 times in a row anyways
sorry if its not allowed in here
quiet yacht
fuck slayer
i like both but it would be nice if we at least used colossus in one of the modes
smoky kayak
according to sims Aldrachi is around 300k above Fel scarred but they buffed Aldr...
questioning blizzard's balancing is not allowed 
teal fossil
Their internal sims are sandbagging aldrachi clearly
nova marsh
Blizz knows how to sim?
nova marsh
questioning blizzard's balancing is not allowed <:CrabMad:680484551356579891>
Can I question the ms nerf
teal fossil
yeah we do too much damage
sage bison
weak wave
When do we abandon our set bonus?
weak wave
Even if new Gear is 60+ ilvl higher?
dire hinge
eventually™️, that one you just sim as you go. It's a strong weapon for now
prisma heart
is ravager simming way higher than bs with slayer an apl thing or no tier thing? or is tht how its supposed to be
prisma heart
yes the two talents dont do anything but ravager still sims higher despite tht
tht why i ask
minor gust
probably because the apl is not set up correctly to sim with ravager and slayer
idk why your simming it in the first place
smoky kayak
is ravager simming way higher than bs with slayer an apl thing or no tier thing?...
sim is still L70 right now, it'll change over to L80 soon
prisma heart
that makes sense ty
prisma heart
idk why your simming it in the first place
huh
frigid lava
how are you guys farming gears
smoky kayak
huh
there's no competitive content right now and sims are not built for 5-second smash and blast dungeon pulls in the first place
frigid lava
is there anyway to delete beta? curseforge is confused
smoky kayak
idk ill keep it to myself sorry
you're fine, there's just a tendency for people to hyperfocus on things that aren't overly important, and some people get sensitive about it
smoky kayak
is there anyway to delete beta? curseforge is confused
I presume you mean their download manager? should be able to set the path somewhere in their settings
you can delete the beta just by... uninstalling it, going into the files and deleting the folder, etc
lunar vessel
Getting to 570 ilvl only to sim the same as I did at level 70. Very feelgood
gilded stump
Right now you can't even properly play Colossus if everything dies in a few seconds. Hope always dies last but the fact that slayer is just all passives feels way better to play then clunky Colossus
boreal quartz
Right now you can't even properly play Colossus if everything dies in a few seco...
Go n try it out the target dummies
Feels a lot less shit then
gilded stump
I'll just wait for next week when I can get some sort of gear especially a weapon and trinkets that's not garbage before I do any testing
I can't believe they only made delves go to level 3 in EA
Most of EA I been spending farming herbs and ore lmao
raven ivy
I mean, its not supposed to be a huge advantage
But rather chill level, get some rep, grab some gold
gilded stump
Yeah imma play trough all the quests on my characters so I don't have any exclamation points on my map
raven ivy
thats what I am doing lmao
gilded stump
Und do world quests I guess
slender sonnet
when you fully replace it with the new one, basically
i already dropped mine
:xdd
south escarp
Hello, never played warrior, juste leveled one for TWW with the event
Do we use Slam in arms spec ?
opal wind
if everything else is on cd
south escarp
Okay ty !
gilded stump
Hello, never played warrior, juste leveled one for TWW with the event
Do we use...
Yeah
Slamming our face on the keyboard
slow saddle
Hello, never played warrior, juste leveled one for TWW with the event
Do we use...
no
u switch other melee
small void
Is colossus actually bad? I actually like how demolish feels it reminds me of swtor ravage
minor gust
not bad but not better than slayer
next flame
Is colossus actually bad? I actually like how demolish feels it reminds me of sw...
It fell off a cliff after they killed MS
minor gust
until you get new tier or blizzard disables old
minor gust
Archi said sims are still L70 and will be 80 soon so I would not be trusting sims if thats where your getting numbers from
slow saddle
i c the power increase and the thought that spending seconds in sweeping strikes
when u wanna make stacks
can be seen as "bad"
but can we for the love of god have some interactions that isnt just stacking modifiers to our next MS
but lets be 100% honest the biggest crime of arms so far is Warlords torment nerf and never reworked
like that capstone talent is so bad it cant be described
gusty oxide
fair tangle
Which channel / pins should I follow to know if Fury / Arms is ahead regarding Raidstuff? theoretically*
mint grove
im pretty sure thry nerfed unhinged sweeping because of colossus might stacks too cuz they benefit from it and would go 10 instantly every bs
dont think it was overall too strong
visual fern
Change the interaction, not the talent
latent moss
except colossus never played bs
latent moss
and never will
latent moss
Change the interaction, not the talent
im happy they removed it ngl
having to ss before bs
minor gust
the change was for arms and fury the reason was not anything specific about colossus
olive nest
Can’t have to many reason to bring a warrior
mint grove
except colossus never played bs
in pvp it did 🤷♂️
latent moss
pvp 
olive nest
pvp
mint grove
avatar bs got nerfed too because pvp along with storm of destruction pvp talent so yeah
latent moss
avatar bs got removed cause of slayer
mint grove
yeah
latent moss
i love sitting in a channel for 30% of a fight
mint grove
remove talent to add it back in other form
latent moss
unable to press a button
mint grove
great design
misty basalt
i guess the unpopular opinion is bladestorm is fun
latent moss
fury bladestorm is
latent moss
arms bs is way too long
mint grove
duality of men
weak rain
Bladestrom should be toggleable ability
upper sundial
Isnt ravager a better option at the moment ?
latent moss
massive cleaves >>>>>> bladestorm
misty basalt
i was a hybrid cleave enjoyer for sure
visual fern
slayer has to play bladestorm
If only slayer worked w/ rav
slow saddle
arms bs is way too long
i mean with current haste levels for sure, but haste will go up
visual fern
slow saddle
If only slayer worked w/ rav
that would 100% be insane
latent moss
buff bladestorm damage by like
400%
make it a must pick in aoe
(we would still play ravager for the st)
visual fern
that would 100% be insane
Oh I know
minor gust
If rav worked for Slayer BS would be dead and gone
slow saddle
insanely FAIR !!!!
minor gust
never to be touched again
slow saddle
only work for arms ofc
upper sundial
So are we blasting slayer on raids as arms ?
latent moss
yes
as it stands atm
they might do a sneaky
colossus buff
and force everyone to use legendary every 30s
upper sundial
Aight aight
gaunt owl
Bladestorm is 4 GCD long for Arms
misty basalt
if not now, throughout the season based off everyone not playing it
gaunt owl
smh my spinning head
misty basalt
some tier set would come out
latent moss
just the plenty of haste in there make it faster
fury bout to have less haste than arms
latent moss
reap the storm
minor gust
lol
latent moss
gaunt owl
Fury Bladestorm is 2.5 GCD
latent moss
y
gaunt owl
fucking bozo devs
minor gust
the Arms one trick has found out fury has better BS
gaunt owl
eating crayon shit turd
minor gust
its all ogre
latent moss
eating crayon shit turd
what
youre telling me
you dont like sitting in bs
for half the fight?
dusty dagger
are we saying fury is just arms but better atm
gaunt owl
i hate channeling and both spec do it anyway
latent moss
u spend 11% spinning on 5t
old blademasters
was unreal
how long u spent spinning
latent moss
🫡
gaunt owl
fight me physically
drifting apex
Guys what would you pick in m+?
minor gust
w/e the sim tells me
gaunt owl
i'm pretty confident we will never play those boots
abstract vale
me neither
drifting apex
Lets wait and see 😅 not gonna waste my crafting materials like dragonflight
gaunt owl
thats what we have now on the spreadsheet
but it can change anyday
rule of thumbs
dont craft til mythic week
no point
drifting apex
Yep so true, i'm gonna do this thx
abstract vale
u can embellish the 490 gear anyway 
dusty dagger
i'm pretty confident we will never play those boots
they look like they're replacements for DF pvp boots based off the mast/vers stats
i wouldn't take them in pve
dusty dagger
yeah, can be both brotha
gaunt owl
they look like they're replacements for DF pvp boots based off the mast/vers sta...
PVP boots had potential
it was bugged for all of DF
because blizzard
drifting apex
what's the priority rep
Looking for this informations too.
gaunt owl
everyone one of them
everyone one one of them
split laurel
why does OP hit harder than MS with no stacks lol
latent moss
why does OP hit harder than MS with no stacks lol
consequences of having every button in ur rotation buff mortal strike
gaunt owl
it doesnt baseline
olive nest
@wanton sierra ayoo found you in game i think 😛
wanton sierra
<@485583336966717471> ayoo found you in game i think 😛
whoa! nice! im questin in deeps ringing
ringing deeps
olive nest
wanton sierra
dont rate my mog! lol xD
wanton sierra
xD i stopped to play df at season 3... so i started tww with 490ish... got tons of upgrades
i got a friend who played and he is saying that his tier set bonus is better idk
old gear, low primary and hp
olive nest
i joke i joke
wanton sierra
xD
nova marsh
Ya know actually
I think blizz will probally disable tier on launch if it's busted lok
latent moss
its enough to make us play around it
hidden pivot
should be atleast 8
olive nest
fair siren
hows arms doin
latent moss
its simple and slow
and hits hard
colossus is a bit annoying
cause of demolish
slayer is basic but does its job
nova marsh
Tbh I still think I like collusus more
hazy flower
they better buff TWW tier set
I think most of the specs have such shit tier set
weak wave
Did anyone else recognize a massive dmg Nerf once we hit 77 or 78?
Fyr'alath did 200k per Hit now it's only 50k.
tiny dock
rose ibex
currently doing that colossus build while dungeon grinding. anyone else feel like you never run out of rage?
dire hinge
rage issues kick in during extended execute phases
there's nothing really to spend rage on before then
rose ibex
that's kind what it feels like
i suppose it's a good thing. i rarely have enough gcds to slam my excess rage away
latent moss
rage issues kick in during extended execute phases
meh
with critical thinking and skyfury
its fine
need crit tho
dire hinge
it's not the worst, and you gotta pay attention to the rage amount you have a little more, but it's a pitfall we'll see folks falling into
especially those who were used to just exe -> exe -> op -> ms (never varrying)
minor gust
In before you quit after S3 so your used to exe phase being exe exe exe exe exe exe exe
minor gust
ravager moment
dire hinge
during ravager* yeah
latent moss
not even
u press ms with 2x ep and 2x tier
even as colossus
sad times
who wouldve thought
that nerfing our main button by 15% (20 for colossus)
would have evil consequences
to our gameplay
minor gust
almost everything about arms gameplay is cursed
minor gust
it needs to be nuked and restarted
latent moss
so no ravager
minor gust
thats interesting
latent moss
yeah need to track a lot of shit to minmax dps
minor gust
again like I said arms is cursed
latent moss
there are some curses here and there with dark tech but most is useless
minor gust
bring on the great reset
wide apex
make it so you can say BOOM on every single gcd u press
latent moss
bring on the great reset
we really need it
blord being dead on colossus
is just
a complete failure
latent moss
y
minor gust
blord being dead on colossus
even Slayer too you should want MS resets cuz of reap
latent moss
slayer shouldnt be blord
imo
colossus should be 9.1 arms
spiced up
big fucking mortal strikes
MS/OP rotation
and slayer should be exe heavy
with juggernaut and stuff
minor gust
I always said too exe should contribute to reap
latent moss
given how spammable it is and the fact we are already playing jugg in keys as slayer
that would be crazy
they would just nerf execute or something instead of reap
minor gust
13.0 rework will save arms
shadow ibex
Colossus no blord is just failure
drifting apex
The S4 BFA war arms was quite nice at 35% Last dps then "ok guys old my beer" ora ora ora ora to top 3 with 80% haste those feelings on MM shadd'ar damn
minor gust
end of bfa was fun but we peaked in legion and its never been the same since
drifting apex
Give the razor coral back
drifting apex
I missed legion... i was playing a big infinité HP bear... my bad
drifting apex
So I can forget to apply it
🤣🤣🤣
latent moss
The S4 BFA war arms was quite nice at 35% Last dps then "ok guys old my beer" or...
it was just degen
and did a fuck ton of dps
its in no way good design
drifting apex
At least we had damage...
latent moss
idk i dont like it when all of my damage is in the last 35%
i definitely dont want the execute phase to be irrelevant either
shadow ibex
WB being worse than BI is dumb too
I don't have an affinity for either but aoe option should be just that
gaunt owl
Arms cant be saved
dire hinge
gaunt owl
WB being worse than BI is dumb too
pure AOE WB is ahead
its just that prio dmg is always better
and the buff to ITFK is what was needed for it to be relevant in a long time
gaunt owl
for each target you add WB is gonna grow bigger
shadow ibex
Yea but they could make it do more imo
gaunt owl
so if we can easily do some MDI pull type people will use it for padding
rose ibex
WB being worse than BI is dumb too
is it just because we really need the single target boost?
dire hinge
^
hazy flower
If it were the other way around you’d do the same
shadow ibex
You gain 3 more CS debuffs
hazy flower
In high keys ofc, in lower keys u dont feel the need for prio so much
shadow ibex
getting a cast of WB just before everything dies in low keys it probably looks good
rose ibex
i'm really on the fence about demo
shadow ibex
Reminds me of s2 fury recking twice per pack
It feels slow as hell imo and that's as lvling so haste is still pretty juiced
Gonna lose a lot at cap
fresh tide
Old 4p kind of going hard even in preseason 
rose ibex
It feels slow as hell imo and that's as lvling so haste is still pretty juiced
i really want to like it
it does insane damage
dusty dagger
i'm so doomer i'd have actually believed demo not able to crit was a design choice
soft gust
Im enjoying demolish, I do wish they’d let you move or at least buff its damage reduction tho
wide apex
no crit or guaranteed crit probably wouldn't have been a bad design choice @dusty dagger
soft gust
Demolish crit dopamine is great
wide apex
you'd just adjust the numbers accordingly obv
frigid lava
So far enjoying slayer more than colossus
latent moss
Demolish crit dopamine is great
yeah and demolish not critting is great as well
rose ibex
i don't know what mages are doing but its kind of outrageous
gilded stump
At this point fury is just going to be too good to not play this season if all we do is execute
rose ibex
this arcane mage just one shot a boss
reef glade
I mean is it low level in a normal
Every class can do that
i literally two globalled a boss on my evoker at lvl 70
gilded stump
this arcane mage just one shot a boss
rose ibex
not one shot
im doing an alt grind right now
and yeah
this lvl 75 mage just one shot a boss
gilded stump
Anything below 78 scales to high
minor gust
Sets up 5 different % dmg modifiers press demolish and it doesn't crit
gilded stump
I basically just /f when I get in groups with low level people
dusty dagger
minor gust
All the more reasons I'll never fucking touch the dog shit that is colossus
dusty dagger
they had the chance to make demolish the guts' iconic frontflip with big honking sword attack and they whiffed it
gilded stump
they had the chance to make demolish the guts' iconic frontflip with big honking...
No one who works at blizzard now knows what Berserk or who guts is
minor gust
Shit has the be absurdly broken and fury has to be ass for me to think about playing colossus
dusty dagger
No one who works at blizzard now knows what Berserk or who guts is
saddest sentence ive read today
dusty dagger
thats the most guts thing i've read today
frigid lava
The tank moves the pack away during your channel
I freaking hated that
gilded stump
thats the most guts thing i've read today
rose ibex
Demolish needs to just be a frontal
yeah it's pretty bad
it should have really just been a giant aoe cone attack that hits once very hard
giant wind up swing
minor gust
But alas any creativity and thought doesn't go to arms it goes to mage
rose ibex
i don't know what they are doing but the boss' health is dropping from 100% to 25% instantly
even with scaling that seems a bit stupid
gaunt owl
scaling is funny
fossil thistle
Were these discussed? I feel like they have been. Any worth scooping?
rose ibex
Just how it is literally won't matter come tuesday
yeah i just think it's funny
smoky kayak
Were these discussed? I feel like they have been. Any worth scooping?
they're fine if you get them cheap, but will get replaced quick
one of them might be used as an embellishment, but it's currently tbd
drifting apex
@smoky kayak any idea for wich craft would be the best after test or still have to wait and see?
rose ibex
i will say slayer feels more 'normal'
fossil thistle
they're fine if you get them cheap, but will get replaced quick
Which one? They're all 3k and the ascension is like 7k
Im guessing the vivacity?
mint grove
they had the chance to make demolish the guts' iconic frontflip with big honking...
bro i swear i was thinking the same thing
if they dont know berserk, elden ring has this popular ash of war called Lions Claw
and the animation itself would add +100% damage in my eyes
dusty dagger
and the animation itself would add +100% damage in my eyes
whats wild
the animation is in the game
mint grove
is it
untold trench
Flare is +99% fun factor for sure
mint grove
no way
dusty dagger
ayup
dusty dagger
we struggle on
uncut pasture
male worgen Csmash is a frontflip
mint grove
owm home i NEED to check these
shadow ibex
The animation is even more delayed than normal CS animation
Worgen cmash is terrible
mystic python
Is there an updated simc for slayer?
rose ibex
despite how clunky it is i think i do like colossus more
mystic python
My issue with colossus is bar space
mystic python
Archi says to do that for the AoE build
You can use a modifier macro if you really care
tbh it should be a replace talent and do the full rend damage on single target
and just reduced damage on cleaves
boreal quartz
Idk it's some kbs but not too bad
minor gust
mystic python
I was able to put rend there before
harsh haven
Slam is awful and the only reason I don't want to pick up arms
boreal quartz
Slam is awful and the only reason I don't want to pick up arms
There's many more reasons
frigid lava
Slam is a filler. Every class has a filler or two
rose ibex
i find i never slam
as colossus anyways
too many other buttons to press
always rage capped
colossus is more interesting
but clunkier for sure
also i still think I prefer bladestorm over ravager
but i'm a simple man
mystic python
Slam is a filler. Every class has a filler or two
We had filler, that's what overpower was
rose ibex
i really only use slam rarely in a single target rotation
slow saddle
slam is totally fine
slow saddle
just buff tactitian a bit
and slam will feel ok
the issue is when u have to slam 3-4 times in arow
well 3 is limit coz ms
mystic python
Thundrous Roar, Cleave/WW, Thunderclap, Rend, Skullsplitter, Ravager/Bladestorm, Mortal Strike, Collossus Smash/Warbreaker, Overpower, Slam, Execute
EDIT: Oh yeah, Demolish if you go Colossus
That's a lot of fucking buttonms
and that's not even including cooldowns like SS and Avatar, or CC buttons, or impending victory
slow saddle
its mainly ST
mystic python
This game doesn't automatically share the same slot for filler buttosn?!
slow saddle
that slamming is big issue
mystic python
My complaint is bar space
Not 'how often I have to push buttons"
Delete slam, put the power in overpoiwer and have me push overpower in the times I would have pushed slam.
Done.
dire hinge
turn the bars off
errant flame
You guys are running out of bar space?
errant flame
i see 2 rn
slow saddle
also why bother with sks
mystic python
Because it's good?
smoky kayak
Thundrous Roar, Cleave/WW, Thunderclap, Rend, Skullsplitter, Ravager/Bladestorm,...
combine TC/Rend as well
you also don't necessarily use SkS in multitarget (it has some use but I wouldn't call it universal)
mystic python
combine TC/Rend as well
Would be nice if it did full rend active damage on single target for tclap and was an autoreplace
I'm curious archi
is the 1% tactician really more important than skullsplitter?
smoky kayak
Rend damage is jokes, you're not losing anything by pressing TC
mystic python
errant flame
Try macroing charge and impend together to free up a slot
smoky kayak
^ that's been a go-to of mine for over a decade lol
mystic python
That would fuck up a lot of my other class bars though
My slot 5 is my self heal slot
I can't really do the same on other classes
smoky kayak
so put something else there
dire hinge
i use an external binding addon, so you can set up keybinds without needing to have it on an actual bar slot.
helps a lot
smoky kayak
put bitter immunity there and just never press it lol
put IP there
Arms and Fury actually have a pretty similar number of buttons when you set it all up
- BT, RB, Rampage, Execute, Slam/WW/TC, Rav/BS, Spear/Roar, OF/Ons, Reck, Ava (10)
- MS, OP, Slam, Execute, WW/Cleave, CS/WB, SkS, Rend/TC, BS/Rav, Spear/Roar, Ava, Demolish (up to 12)
For me, Demolish just goes where Fyr'alath was, so it's pretty familiar
shadow ibex
Remove slam tho
dusty dagger
Remove slam tho
Never heard of her
frigid lava
battle shout 😂
lunar vessel
i got a whole book on my neck
gaunt owl
my guild is bullying me into playing dk v.v
tell your officer to stop eating craying and sniffing glue
shadow ibex
does ur raid have a prot war tank or something
wide apex
whats their source on dk>woyer
gaunt owl
their source is brainrot
people will never understand that player > class
you cant do it like the top10 guilds
so why bother
wide apex
depends on guild
idk it just depends on things u don't actually know b4 tier starts and you have no grasp on it unless you put in the work to figure it out. and then heroic week tuning as well
shadow ibex
i could understand if they have absolutely no other and just go have class that can grip on prog
wide apex
I don't know if a single post on a discord makes the case quite that clear but sure @gaunt owl
but I do think most guilds probably shouldn't
gaunt owl
its 100% not worth it or he wouldnt come here about it
left a guild that wanted to do split
because it wasnt worth it
they dropped the idea after 2 weeks because shit tier player
forcing people to play something else isnt smart
wide apex
well they can't make you do it obviously
thorn vale
are there any reputations we should be grinding for a gear for arms?
drifting apex
are there any reputations we should be grinding for a gear for arms?
i found that they're pretty the same for stuffing so i think you have to choose wich rep has the best mount :p
thorn vale
i found that they're pretty the same for stuffing so i think you have to choose ...
dope ty ty
mystic hill
is there much of a dps gap between the two specs for this tier?
wide apex
Whats the deal with how arms compares vs fury as far as tankiness goes?
Arms has 90s cd defensive compared to fury 120s cd
Fury gets more stamina, 10% dr from warpaint, more selfhealing
Is this ignore pain tax or is it just supposed to be worse, whats the angle here?
magic canopy
arms can stack ignore pain to be tankier to one shots then fury with proper prep, but 99% of the time it'll never happen so fury just remains tankier in most situations
arms does get passive 5% avoidence, but its not enough
wide apex
arms does get passive 5% avoidence, but its not enough
ah I missed that part
shadow ibex
if you use heroic throw while transformed by that cursed axe you throw checkerboard boxes
wide apex
It'd be nice if they made them more comparable. I don't think its interesting to have one spec significantly more tanky. @magic canopy
magic canopy
i think ignore pain is a shit button and fueld by violence should give an overshield as well as be buffed
hazy flower
arms does get passive 5% avoidence, but its not enough
5% avoidance vs warpaint with more stamina
wide apex
yeah it seems a bit off
shadow ibex
ER is also god mode
wide apex
I was just confused by ER giving the same DR as DBTS
wide apex
yeah I just mean they alreayd have like 10% dr passively
didn't really see the angle there
hazy flower
Which can be really good situationally ngl it saved me plenty of times but most of the time er will prove to be better
wide apex
like I understand different specs should have different strengths and weaknesses
but if your weakness is defense, then your dps should just be higher?
idk its just puzzling
noble oxide
Does the post about the tier set compared to DFS4 take into account stat differences? I assume it does but just making sure
fossil thistle
Anyone find a warbound 471 2hander yet?
Literally have something for every class except a str 2hander
unborn oak
Hello i checked arms rotation. Why do we cast Roar into Avatar and not avatar into roar to buff the initial roar dmg?
lunar cargo
Guys anyone elses execute doesnt have spell glow anymore in bars?
old urchin
Yas been like that since prepatc
harsh haven
I am a bit dense. Maybe someone can clarify this for me. We always want to MS with 2x Overpower buffs right? Even if MS comes off CD?
Or is there an instance where MS can be casted with 1 charge or when it procs.
drifting apex
I am a bit dense. Maybe someone can clarify this for me. We always want to MS wi...
if your swiping strike is about to fade you would like a MS even with 1 stack. The things you never want is to over stack your overpower. i think there is other situations but i dont know them... hope its help
harsh haven
if your swiping strike is about to fade you would like a MS even with 1 stack. T...
Thanks for the reply. Will keep this one in mind
drifting apex
I am a bit dense. Maybe someone can clarify this for me. We always want to MS wi...
we've to wait for theorycrafters but i think with slayer tree and the double talents that buff overpower we should always do 2 overpower
crude bison
does the MS from Unhinged hit a second target if sweeping strikes is up?
crude bison
ok thank you
dusty dagger
it used too, for like 2 expansions
wide apex
I am a bit dense. Maybe someone can clarify this for me. We always want to MS wi...
where did you read that
crude bison
yeah i know i worked in SL
dusty dagger
fluid lance
madox live 😘 day is better @hexed saddle
abstract vale
Anyone find a warbound 471 2hander yet?
found 2 577s
boreal quartz
Anyone find a warbound 471 2hander yet?
mightve been warbound but i have a 571
fossil thistle
mightve been warbound but i have a 571
yea warbound 571s, my bad x)
I've found two 1handers, a staff, polearm, dagger, and and 2 intel axes
😐 no str 2hander though rip
dry frost
teal fossil
I am a bit dense. Maybe someone can clarify this for me. We always want to MS wi...
Currently it’s ms on cd
obtuse eagle
Do we just press demolish on cd in ST and AOE?
spring minnow
are people buying the renown epics?
fresh spire
The trinkets and pretty decent. Though not that decent
Not sure wtf happened to that dim to make it explode
maiden moat
is there any BIS gear sim from warrior ?
outer holly
are people buying the renown epics?
why not?
I'm sitting at like 5% haste, but ilvl is ilvl
spring minnow
that true yea didnt know if there was a vendor that used those mats for better gear or whatever in the upcoming weeks
or worth holding the currecy for something else
outer holly
they're exclusively used for leveling gear, recipes and transmogs
mortal rivet
Why is Thunderous Roar used before Avatar in an opener? just trying to get a better understanding of arms
teal fossil
Because roar initial damage doesn’t matter
shadow ibex
because the instant dmg is beans
teal fossil
I love beans
shadow ibex
no reason to waste a global of buff on it but this mostly applies to CS and roar
since avatar is off global
teal fossil
Good source of Brotein and fiber
olive nest
since avatar is off global
was about to say...
mortal rivet
cheers makes sense. Didn't realize avatar was off cd either, will def push buttons faster
obtuse eagle
When are we meant to use demolish?
smoky kayak
When are we meant to use demolish?
On cd
During execute you can align with CS since you get more CDR
obtuse eagle
in st and aoe ?
karmic ermine
Any word on updates to the spell reflect weakaura pack?
abstract vale
so whats happening with the DF tier sets
austere river
@smoky kayak by this you mean that when effect lasts 3sec longer you got more haste = more cleave?
smoky kayak
Yes
not the most eloquent phrasing but basically
- Warbreaker gives you a better AoE burst damage window, but nothing against priority targets and AoE CDs often misalign anyway
- Blunt allows more GCDs to benefit from IftK (in multitarget, mainly fitting in another Cleave or two) as well as a ST boost
austere river
I havent played tww yet, but on pre patch AM felt bad mainly cause roar cd was 45sec, i tried playing with serenity which removed the annoyance of misaligned cd's all together, it actually felt pretty nice and i assume that having weird cd's on demolish it might work even better on tww, is there a big difference on that compared to am on m+ content?
only difference was that avatar became 40sec duration cd, which is in most cases is too long for a pull, resulting some of it going to waste
austere river
malleus?
wanton sierra
ye i agree.. the idea to extend the burst and make it weaker.. idk
austere river
but you have to remember it doesnt make in for the kill effect weaker
that's probably the biggest + on serenity
cobalt sinew
what covenant ability would be the best to help farm sl raids
manic stirrup
nightfae for soulshape probably
frigid lava
I like this direction
woven wasp
wait till you see the second step
frigid lava
bag
spring marten
heyo. why should not pick warbreaker?
teal fossil
manic stirrup
heyo. why should not pick warbreaker?
blunt instruments is fantastic prio damage and gives you longer duration on the haste buff
steep osprey
I like this direction
That has to be intentional lmao
errant flame
so dont get rid of tier until new tier even over 584 pieces
errant flame
That feels so bad
raven ivy
Or until blizz turns it off
Turns off on release
nova marsh
Very likely honestly
raven ivy
Not even likely, guaranteed basically
minor gust
That feels so bad
I mean your just doing normals you dont have to min max your dmg if it feels bad
harsh haven
Currently it’s ms on cd
Thanks! Good to know
hollow pulsar
Delves reward higher ilvl than heroic dungeons lol ?
woven wasp
you can only do up to 3 until season starts
steep osprey
who designed ez mine nodes
woven wasp
team 2 at blizzard entertainment
rare kite
didn't think about stormbolting in st during bladestorm ngl ahahah
woven wasp
rare kite
arms is so cursed
minor gust
rough flame
I like this direction
always inspect your hoes
gaunt owl
didn't think about stormbolting in st during bladestorm ngl ahahah
thats really not what should be put in a guide
to use CC to do dmg
minor gust
Certified Revves moment
rare kite
thats really not what should be put in a guide
I know xD, shits hilarious
gaunt owl
i'm not ready to have people come in here
rare kite
this tech is .1% dps
prob less even
gaunt owl
and be like but Revvez said so
minor gust
but Revvez said so
gaunt owl
when i'm sure its not his idea to put that one in
actively griefing your keys because you use Stormbolt for DPS
genius
rare kite
it is, but still