Today is the day boys, well midnight for us Europeans
#arms
midnight mural
How are you guys spending your last day in dragon flight
prepping my 4 warriors to level :]
and then putting in some hours with wife đ
gaunt owl
Start with the wife
ancient warren
prepping my 4 warriors to level :]
Iâm sorry what
midnight mural
Getting my warband ready đ
ancient warren
And itâs all just warriors
boreal quartz
Ofc
ebon ridge
No more dirty philmagus?
midnight mural
And itâs all just warriors
yea
ancient warren
Cool!
boreal quartz
No more dirty philmagus?
Nope
obsidian wave
So the optimal leveling spec is Slayer Arms?
teal fossil
its like 4 hours of content
if anything its probably like thane fury
then colossus arms
slayer has too many buffs/debuffs
proud plover
So the optimal leveling spec is Slayer Arms?
It's colossus prot ngl
teal fossil
Thane prot
proud plover
Thane at max colossus for leveling
obsidian wave
are you memeing?
proud plover
Nope
obsidian wave
TTK as prot without leggo is faster than arms? Hard to believe
teal fossil
You can pull more mobs
proud plover
Yeah legit unkillable, the more you pull the safer you are
sly venture
its like 4 hours of content
Wait, you're not going to read quest text and slow walk?
chrome lichen
is there a WA ready for s1 raid and dungeons?
brazen chasm
Hey everybody, I have a question about thunderous roar and colossus smash, should I delay Colossus smash for about 15~sec to make sure it aligns with thunderous or should I just use it on cooldown regardless of thunderous roar CD ?
modest salmon
is there a WA ready for s1 raid and dungeons?
I guess Causese should have us covered already đ https://wago.io/p/Causese
hazy flower
Hey everybody, I have a question about thunderous roar and colossus smash, shoul...
You dont delay CS
Smack it on cd
brazen chasm
You dont delay CS
Thank you!
quasi torrent
meager prairie
anyone have the prepatch talents, need to do some quick bs on my warrior before patch
strange perch
anyone have the prepatch talents, need to do some quick bs on my warrior before ...
Wowhead?
meager prairie
wowhead is updated to tww
hazy saddle
go to archon
frigid lava
Oh wow... 10 more hours... then TWW
wanton sierra
its like 4 hours of content
you mean the leveling?
opal wind
So the optimal leveling spec is Slayer Arms?
Echo guild on maxroll suggests colossus for leveling. Then, probably swapping to fury which I personally don't like the idea of. I won't be a meta slave and will play arms
for now đ
And if I see fury doing way more damage then I will right click -> uninstall haha
sacred zodiac
im gonna be real with you needing info on leveling meta is a bit cooked
just play the video game this is like the only time where meta quite literally doesnt matter
strange perch
just play the video game this is like the only time where meta quite literally d...
This
minor gust
im gonna be real with you needing info on leveling meta is a bit cooked
But thinking for myself is hard how can I play the game without someone telling me how to min max every step of the way.
wanton sierra
do u guys got leveling route? ^^ â¤ď¸
wary mauve
Why is arms warrior rotation so bloated in TWW? Four offensive cooldowns, really?
Can I remove some talents?
boreal quartz
Can I remove some talents?
Not if u dont wanna lose big dam
Slayer saves 1 keybind over colossus
manic stirrup
Why is arms warrior rotation so bloated in TWW? Four offensive cooldowns, really...
balances out with few rotational abilities
wary mauve
Not if u dont wanna lose big dam
That's so unfair wtf
So I'm stuck with a rotation I don't like for 2 years
wary mauve
balances out with few rotational abilities
Like what??
thorn tulip
teehee yep
manic stirrup
ms overpower slam execute cs sks
and just keep rend up
arms has like 6 less buttons than prot
maybe im just used to more and it doesnt seem like much to me
wary mauve
So much for talent trees and choice
edgy canyon
Lmfao
pallid olive
is going for earthern dwarfs still best or did they change something?
wary mauve
Why have talent trees anyway? How about we just have static classes like ff14. So dumb
minor gust
? There's always gonna be a bis setup lmao
manic stirrup
i mean if you wanna remove buttons just do it
manic stirrup
if you want optimal results youre gonna need the buttons
wary mauve
Blizzard should design the game such that whatever talents you pick, the dps is the same. This way, people can play what they choose
manic stirrup
making a talent tree setup that is so closely tuned you can completely choose whatever talents you want is not only nearly impossible, its also not really good design
west flare
Why have talents if they don't make a change?
manic stirrup
some talents should be better in aoe, some should be better in st
some should be better in low cleave and some should be better in mass aoe
boreal quartz
So I'm stuck with a rotation I don't like for 2 years
Closing in on 4 years
manic stirrup
some should be better with specific modifiers like execute talents
halcyon breach
pile on
minor gust
Pile on Deez nuts
edgy canyon
Warrior having âtoo much going onâ is a crazy take lol
wary mauve
Then what's the point of a deep and rich and interrelated talent tree? Illusion of choice?
For casuals?
manic stirrup
yes, yes, and there also is some choice
west flare
There is choice?
minor gust
Always has been an illusion of choice
manic stirrup
there isnt a ton of choice but theres some
wary mauve
There is choice?
What choice is there?
west flare
What choice is there?
I have like 3 builds that I use for M+ depending on what I want
manic stirrup
if youre doing assault of the zaqali, tyrannical vortex pinnacle, and fort algethar academy youre going to have 3 different talent sets
west flare
Talent build with Ragestorm vs Ravager
minor gust
So quit then
wary mauve
They should design the game so that every build does the same exact dps
west flare
That's the worst take ever
minor gust
halcyon breach
So you go from the game being false (?) to choice being false
wary mauve
That's the worst take ever
How though? It's fair and fun
wary mauve
did you play df arms
Yes I got heroic fyrakk
halcyon breach
Proud of you
manic stirrup
whats wrong with tww arms but not df arms
minor gust
Man is having a meltdown after logging in and seeing he has to press buttons
halcyon breach
But frankly, to you it shouldn't matter how much damage you do
manic stirrup
you said the same rotation for 2 years
manic stirrup
But frankly, to you it shouldn't matter how much damage you do
LMAOOOO bro
halcyon breach
Because if your peak achievement is HC Fyrakk in DF, then it does not matter what talents you pick
west flare
How though? It's fair and fun
It's not fun, not having any choice in what you do. It removes a lot of skill expression by knowing what talent to use based on your encounter and team around you
wary mauve
It's not fun, not having any choice in what you do. It removes a lot of skill ex...
What? It's peak choice. You can pick any talent setup and you don't need to stick to a single build for optimal dps
halcyon breach
You could pick the most AoE centric talents and still kill HC Fyrakk. Not trying to be mean, but you're simply just not really doing content where it matters what you decide to play
wary mauve
Because if your peak achievement is HC Fyrakk in DF, then it does not matter wha...
Really?
So I only need to follow these rotation guides for mythic raiding and max level keys?
west flare
That's dependend on what you want
manic stirrup
you can do whatever you want until youre in the top 0.1%
wary mauve
Ok how about this, can I clear heroic raids and keys up to 15+ with simple builds in TWW?
halcyon breach
So I only need to follow these rotation guides for mythic raiding and max level ...
I am not implying this, simply that you could do whatever you want at that level and you'd succeed
boreal quartz
So I only need to follow these rotation guides for mythic raiding and max level ...
Even for mythic you can be trolling
Since theres 20 ppl
west flare
Ok how about this, can I clear heroic raids and keys up to 15+ with simple build...
+15's arent even close to HC
boreal quartz
(until decent wr)
halcyon breach
Ok how about this, can I clear heroic raids and keys up to 15+ with simple build...
HC and +15 is not comparable
wary mauve
They should not let pugs have the ability to inspect talents
minor gust
CE as SMF fury ez
manic stirrup
Ok how about this, can I clear heroic raids and keys up to 15+ with simple build...
15s are a lot harder in this season
manic stirrup
but yes you can
west flare
They should not let pugs have the ability to inspect talents
No okay this is the worst take ever
wary mauve
Ok +10 is good enough for me. I think you get heroic gear weekly from +10?
west flare
Which one is easier?
HC and it's not close
manic stirrup
yeah man youll be chilling
halcyon breach
+10 you get mythic gear
wary mauve
Oh sweet!!
halcyon breach
Whichever way, unless you are trying to push the highest end content, you can mostly do whatever you want depending on your goal
And how much you want to push yourself to be optimal
manic stirrup
Even for mythic you can be trolling
it is amazing how many ppl (unintentionally or not) completely grief in mythic
wary mauve
Oh cool!!!
wary mauve
Whichever way, unless you are trying to push the highest end content, you can mo...
This makes me glad.
boreal quartz
it is amazing how many ppl (unintentionally or not) completely grief in mythic
Me when i pick top parsing build in tindral
halcyon breach
Whether what you're doing is good or not, is another thing entirely
But it's not impossible
boreal quartz
I am playing bladestorm wahoo
minor gust
Bladestorm Tswift cursed soul
manic stirrup
arms on tswift
manic stirrup
i was pretty much the only arms in the world and i still played fury on twift
tswift
minor gust
If your raid grp didn't alrdy 1 shot roots
manic stirrup
there was like 1 other arms i dont remember whi
minor gust
I remember trying it on week 1 HC and it was pointless cuz demo and fury just deleted them
wary mauve
Whether what you're doing is good or not, is another thing entirely
I also like the idea of removing parse meters from the game. Make the data non accessible. In fact, remove all damage numbers from spell tool tips. Damage is there, but is hidden from the player
livid cloak
That is an absolutely unhinged take
Just uninstall details for yourself and be happy in ignorance
frigid cipher
doing big damage is 99% of the reason i play mmos
halcyon breach
I also like the idea of removing parse meters from the game. Make the data non a...
Doing damage while playing a fun class is what's fun to me
frigid cipher
if i couldnt see it why play
west flare
Flexing my dps numbers on other ppl is a big part of the fun I have
halcyon breach
If your class is fun to play and that's what matters to you, just turn off your numbers and you can simulate that
livid cloak
Yep
minor gust
My self worth is tied to my details meters sorry
west flare
My self worth is tied to my details meters sorry
This 100%
wary mauve
Doing damage while playing a fun class is what's fun to me
Well, you don't need to see the number to get a sense of the damage, you can see the hp drop faster, enemies die quicker, etc. It's more organic that way. Many other games play this way.
wary mauve
My self worth is tied to my details meters sorry
Lmao
halcyon breach
Well, you don't need to see the number to get a sense of the damage, you can see...
By this logic, being lvl 1 or 70 is the same
I just get more buttons to see the HP drop down by approx the same amount of time depending on my level
manic stirrup
the issue with such information hiding is that in the top end damage matters
livid cloak
But banezi is right, you can just play whatever you want if your goal is just casual keys for vault and aotc
manic stirrup
and not knowing what class/spec does no damage is very detrimental to gameplay
boreal quartz
Especially group content
If i cant see my hunter was COMPLETELY FUCKING AFK
I cant point out who bricked the key cuz we didnt kill mobs
(+ i wanna do big dam)
livid cloak
I just wanna see personal progress
boreal quartz
I wanna see 
west flare
I wanna see <:gajeel:1156085588806598676>
The only 100 parses I get are ilvl parses when I sneak a rat into a guild raid
boreal quartz
The only 100 parses I get are ilvl parses when I sneak a rat into a guild raid
I have a 100 or two on mythic 
It's boss damage
manic stirrup
i got rank 1 gnarlroot
boreal quartz
But r2 overall on endboss is fine
manic stirrup
bc i was the only arms warrior that existed!
wary mauve
By this logic, being lvl 1 or 70 is the same
No because when you get to higher levels, it's easier to kill enemies of a lower level, and you can take on higher level enemies.
halcyon breach
No because when you get to higher levels, it's easier to kill enemies of a lower...
But why would I care about killing lower level enemies faster
livid cloak
wary mauve
But banezi is right, you can just play whatever you want if your goal is just ca...
Is AOTC really considered casual? If so, then what's lfr and normal?
livid cloak
Yes aotc is pretty casual
halcyon breach
If my damage is cosmetic anyway, and I can't see it, I might as well just press whatever button I feel like but not know if there's a reason to press said button
wary mauve
But why would I care about killing lower level enemies faster
I mean it's a way you can see you are getting more powerful. Also, are you really going to feel a difference between 3,234,980 damage and 3,456,789 damage?
frigid cipher
yea
eternal vortex
Is AOTC really considered casual? If so, then what's lfr and normal?
Toddler lvl
undone terrace
So this spec is dead tomorrow then? 
livid cloak
Arms is fine
wary mauve
If my damage is cosmetic anyway, and I can't see it, I might as well just press ...
It's not cosmetic, it is real, the numbers are just hidden but you can feel the effects of power gain organically
halcyon breach
I would notice a difference between those two yes because I'd be aware that I'm doing something right, by doing more damage
If I didn't enjoy however the feel of doing more damage, then I'd either try another spec/class, or just stop playing if nothing at all had any enjoyment tied to it
halcyon breach
It's not cosmetic, it is real, the numbers are just hidden but you can feel the ...
Again if you can't see the numbers, you can't figure out what's good to press and what's not good to press, unless you want to sit and trial and error for an eternity, slowly piecing things together, which creates a chore and not necessarily something satisfactory (to me)
wary mauve
When I played other games like souls games, I could feel power increase by how fast their hp drops, how much each hit takes away their hp, and how fast they die, how mich they stagger etc
I just disagree
wary mauve
well the issue with that is that souls is single player
Yeah I suppose you can't see the damage of a single person when the boss has 10 billion hp that each hit is a scratch
halcyon breach
I can also feel how much each hit takes away their hp, because souls games show that info
frigid cipher
Id use a damage meter in souls games if there was one
wary mauve
I don't even look at that number, just the hp chunks
halcyon breach
What changes from that, to doing the same in wow?
If you can ignore the damage numbers of DS then you can do the same in wow
Pick the talents you want, and then play
frigid cipher
I use a meter in monster hunter too. any game that you do damage i ideally want a way to track it
wary mauve
Yeah but i think some people focus on the numbers/parses way too much
halcyon breach
I agree, some definitely do, for some good and bad reasons
Some just like to know that they're doing well, and playing the class right
halcyon breach
Because that's how they find enjoyment, playing the class they like well
ebon ridge
đ
halcyon breach
Are you jousting or what
ebon ridge
Critlancer
halcyon breach
DF launch moment..
halcyon breach
I agree, some definitely do, for some good and bad reasons
Where as some admittedly live and die by their performance, and make their parses their entire identity and life
boreal quartz
Ya Banzai
wary mauve
How much of a damage loss is there if I remove thunderous roar and ravager?
boreal quartz
That's dps suicide
halcyon breach
A lot of damage
boreal quartz
Like ur killing ur spec without ravager
wary mauve
I don't agree with the concept that if I remove talents, I'm playing the class wrong
ebon ridge
Arms feels pretty good right now on dummies
wary mauve
Like ur killing ur spec without ravager
Im talking about single target
Why do I need roar and ravager for ST?
minor gust
Because thunderous words and SKS and unhinged
halcyon breach
I don't agree with the concept that if I remove talents, I'm playing the class w...
Whenever there's performance tied to something, like there is in any MMO, then there's always going to be a right and wrong way to do something, depending on if you care about said performance
manic stirrup
you could probably drop ravager for colossus arms (and not lose an OBSCENE amount of dps)
slayer is literally based around bladestorm so thats grief
wary mauve
Who says I have to go slayer? What if I go mountain thane?
wary mauve
Wait, which one is the thunder one?
ebon ridge
Thor wants to play thunder one
halcyon breach
You referenced FF earlier. You don't have talents in that game, but instead of the choice of talents, you simply only have the option of pressing your buttons well or not
manic stirrup
What's the other one for arms?
slayer and colossus
wary mauve
Ok is colossus good?
minor gust
He's not gonna like colossus there's another button he has to keybind
wary mauve
Tonight I'm going to craft a talent build and you guys tell me if it's good to get AOTC and +10 weekly vault
It's a simpleton build
wary mauve
You referenced FF earlier. You don't have talents in that game, but instead of t...
Yeah but their rotation is simpler and doesn't have procs, so I hear
minor gust
Good luck looking forward to it
halcyon breach
Yeah but their rotation is simpler and doesn't have procs, so I hear
There are definitely procs in FF
Just not as prominent as in WoW
Some jobs have them, others dont
manic stirrup
Tonight I'm going to craft a talent build and you guys tell me if it's good to g...
i would bet @boreal quartz's house that whatever build you have is fine
boreal quartz
Tonight I'm going to craft a talent build and you guys tell me if it's good to g...
Are you paying gold for the aotc or actual guild
wary mauve
i would bet <@653287531038900236>'s house that whatever build you have is fine
This makes me glad
frigid cipher
Some ff classes have procs. Its simpler in some ways and harder in others. Definitely nothing like classic wow
wary mauve
I just don't want to get benched in aotc raids
boreal quartz
I mean depends on guild
wary mauve
Are you paying gold for the aotc or actual guild
Childhood friends guild
halcyon breach
One of the two newest jobs in FF right now is a melee, with a VERY simple rotation, where as you can play another melee job and it be (relatively speaking) quite a bit more intricate in how well you gotta press your buttons
wary mauve
Interesting
boreal quartz
Childhood friends guild
Do you wanna be the gigachad pumper there
Or some random that logs greens
I know my answer
wary mauve
Depends how bad I do tbh. If I'm at the risk of being benched, I'll use more optimal talents
strange perch
Depends how bad I do tbh. If I'm at the risk of being benched, I'll use more opt...
You make it sound like a laidoff
frigid cipher
Very difficult to be benched in heroic if you press your buttons somewhat correctly
wary mauve
You make it sound like a laidoff
Lol, lay off from raiding
boreal quartz
Very difficult to be benched in heroic if you press your buttons somewhat correc...
But if you dont have the buttons in the first place..
frigid cipher
surely you can just MS your way past 1 or 2 dps in a heroic guild
wary mauve
One of the two newest jobs in FF right now is a melee, with a VERY simple rotati...
But Ff14 doesn't have button bloat right?
halcyon breach
There's definitely bloat for some yeah
wary mauve
How do people play this game "casually"? It seems like there is nothing to do outside of pvp, raid, and keystones. What do they do casually?
soft gust
Collect mounts, pets, transmogs
manic stirrup
How do people play this game "casually"? It seems like there is nothing to do ou...
as joey said, mounts pets transmog and achievement points as well
minor gust
Slowly working towards aotc and ksm over the season is also playing the game casually
It's not just collectible farming
thick kelp
how many days oer week phil
Really depends, some people take 3 as hardcore and for others 3 is chill
compact geyser
wait you mean there's people going more than first reset on ksm?
minor gust
There's guilds that struggle with aotc all the way up to the end of the season so of course there's people that probably struggle to get ksm quickly
soft gust
Slowly working towards aotc and ksm over the season is also playing the game cas...
Thats fair, although thats sorta âcasual progressionâ which I did during DF. Some of my family members do just never touch raids or Mythic dungeons and vibe though so idk if theres a meaningful place to draw the line.
minor gust
I believe Max calls those people that don't touch raid or M+ at all Mole people
hazy flower
Really depends, some people take 3 as hardcore and for others 3 is chill
For regular ce (no high wr just getting ce n chill) more than 2 days feels like a lot tbh
hearty pewter
who can i ping for a typo in Wowhead rotation page?
latent moss
Really depends, some people take 3 as hardcore and for others 3 is chill
anything more than 2 is a sidejob 
thick kelp
who can i ping for a typo in Wowhead rotation page?
Archi
thick kelp
Yes
hearty pewter
kk
hazy flower
anything more than 2 is a sidejob <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
Im in 3d one
Now
@thick kelp what guild did u find
If u did find
thick kelp
<@865605822638063647> what guild did u find
<Korruptio>
hazy flower
Thats cool
hazy flower
They pretty high no?
hazy flower
Xd
hearty pewter
@smoky kayak on 13. Sudden Death was probably meant for 12. above
ah shit meant to write that in Fury channel not Arms
hazy flower
CUH
hazy flower
Deadge
latent moss
nah the comeback is gonna be crazy
thick kelp
Comeback szn
minor gust
colossus will be fixed
So 12.0?
latent moss
thick kelp
Colossus will be removed come 12.0
latent moss
thing is i wanna play but man no way
hazy flower
Kinda curious is it gonna be arms or fury angle for queen
minor gust
Yeah that's how arms will be fixed
thick kelp
Arms obviously
latent moss
uni + job + real life is scary
boreal quartz
uni + job + real life is scary
Job is whatever
Uni i hated too loose man
Zero structure
thick kelp
Just make wow your job, easy?
latent moss
real
strange perch
Just make wow your job, easy?
boreal quartz
I mean i worm office job it's chill
strange perch
Problem is blizz who are catering for small % of their playerbase
latent moss
uni gonna be chill in october so im just gonna replace it with wow ez
thick kelp
uni 8-13, work 14-18, study 19-22, raid 22-02
hazy flower
22-02
latent moss
evil raid times
hazy flower
CUUUH
hazy flower
And u didnt like when I sent u the 21:30-00:30 raid times
latent moss
uni 8-13, work 14-18, study 19-22, raid 22-02
gf aggro lifestyle
strange perch
thick kelp
if u are cheeky u hit gym before uni there
strange perch
uni 8-13, work 14-18, study 19-22, raid 22-02
Uni 8:13 what kind of crap is this? Uni is 8 to 6
thick kelp
Uni 8:13 what kind of crap is this? Uni is 8 to 6
idk before i dropped out mine was 9-13
of actualy mandatory attendance
cant catch me going to optional attendance classes
latent moss
we dont have mandatory attendance
i just study on my own cba going to lectures
effort
hazy flower
Depends what uni where etc xd idk mine has sometimes 8:30-10:30 or like 8:30 till 13
arctic veldt
just drop out and collect social welfare , youâll be able to play wow all day
let other people pay their taxes and work for you 
hazy flower
I think in the netherlands if youre foreign u can work like for a year and then u can live off of social welfare for like 6 months?
Something along those lines
hazy flower
Sounds like smth mythic + only streamers need
M+ superiority
arctic veldt
european andys never work lol some of them even take naps at 3 pm
fossil knoll
is not bad at all imo
arctic veldt
Iâm just jealous
hazy flower
Idk how is promoting culture of slaving 12 hours a day good
fossil knoll
Iâm just jealous
feel you
zinc garnet
just to confirm quickly - is rend gone and replaced with deep wounds ?
thick kelp
strange perch
Idk how is promoting culture of slaving 12 hours a day good
It is reality regardless of your job. Work and eat. Or play and starve. Swede here.
minor gust
just to confirm quickly - is rend gone and replaced with deep wounds ?
Yep rend is gone but since our mastery is deep wounds rend was replaced with deeper wounds
zinc garnet
Yep rend is gone but since our mastery is deep wounds rend was replaced with dee...
okok, was wondering because it fkd up my weakauras ui
ty!
strange perch
Yep rend is gone but since our mastery is deep wounds rend was replaced with dee...
Hold up. Rend is GONE! đł
minor gust
hazy flower
It is reality regardless of your job. Work and eat. Or play and starve. Swede he...
12 hours a day aint it chief unless its your own business or you truly love what you do
wary mauve
Why do so many players hate pvp?
strange perch
12 hours a day aint it chief unless its your own business or you truly love what...
In tech it is a reality. official 9to5. Improve skills from 7 to 11, because career has incredibly narrow chokeholds.
zinc garnet
Yep rend is gone but since our mastery is deep wounds rend was replaced with dee...
weird tho because head smasher does still mention rend somehow
frigid lava
I capped... around 3k flags in WSG alone.
zinc garnet
oh no rend isnt gone its still there
frigid lava
but haven't done any pvp since legion.
frigid lava
I still use TC...
night fjord
its just "better" to use plain old rend in ST because the upfront damage is higher
frigid lava
It is true but I think it's marginal
spark obsidian
anyone have problem with the execute highlight?
frigid lava
what's execute hightlight
spark obsidian
the glowing aura around him
frigid lava
:0 ?
wary steppe
what hero class will you guys start for leveling?
frigid lava
I think imma go... one with aoe not slayer
wary steppe
I am torn between playing colossus or thane fury
fossil rampart
colossus is for real chads
fossil rampart
slayer feels like a raid spec
that too
according to the numbers archi and theorycrafters ran, slayer runs overall by a bit i think but overall both specs are good and have different playstyles
go with which fits best for you
or be a chad and play colossus for the 5% size increase and call everyone else short
weak wave
what hero class will you guys start for leveling?
Big CD reduction for Bladestorm? Lots of Sudden Death procs?
Of course I'll go for Slayer!
frigid lava
I'm kinda torn
north current
yo guys, in war within as things stand, rb/cb is higher prio than bt/bb with slayer? despite bt proccing mini bladestorm?
oops wrong channel
dire hinge
what hero class will you guys start for leveling?
either one is fine, neither will struggle too much. I'll probalby go colossus since it has more upfront damage spikes available to it early on
frigid lava
yea I think slayers will have more upend for higher contents but leveling and trivial dpsing.... colossus is probably better.
fossil rampart
either one is fine, neither will struggle too much. I'll probalby go colossus si...
popping sweeping strikes and then max stack demolish and see your damage jump to 3mil instantly is satisfying
dire hinge
slayer is very "fight one thing for a while" or "pull a bunch of stuff onto me and i'll blender it" which isn't common to see in current leveling
fossil rampart
plus imo Colossus fits the arms fantasy better
summer elbow
man feels so weird not WW anymore
soft gust
Feels so good not to WW anymore
strange perch
plus imo Colossus fits the arms fantasy better
Isnt colossus mash available for both arms and fury?
soft gust
What
fossil rampart
it isn't and by colossus i mean the hero spec
soft gust
Colossus smash is arms specific and Colossus hero spec is arms/prot yeah
vital mulch
Isnt colossus mash available for both arms and fury?
Fury gets thane instead so clap replaces WW
Unless slayer ofc
smoky kayak
Big CD reduction for Bladestorm? Lots of Sudden Death procs?
Of course I'll go ...
tbf the CDR doesn't kick in until like L75
native obsidian
The worst change. I absolutely hate when they break things that should interact
Reduce the extra MS damage or something if needed, but just having things unintuitively not work when they should is bad
radiant lion
The worst change. I absolutely hate when they break things that should interact
change is targetting pvp if I had to guess, cwinge
lucid thicket
Reduce the extra MS damage or something if needed, but just having things unintu...
They would have just done it to Arms if MS was the problem
But Slayer is still going to be a dirty cleave machine
native obsidian
I was just giving a random example
I'd just rather they tune it however and not make it inexplicably not work
Someone just reading the abilities in game and trying to play will have no clue
soft gust
Do the mortal strikes from unhinged interact with exhilarating blows?
strange perch
Fury gets thane instead so clap replaces WW
dire hinge
im actually not sure đ¤ i'll see if i can get it to trigger
i think i had one trigger?
strange perch
Any French players can PM me please Thx you :)))
teal fossil
Do the mortal strikes from unhinged interact with exhilarating blows?
Bladestorm lasts the cd of ms
So whether it triggers or not does not matter
dire hinge
Bladestorm lasts the cd of ms
ravager is a thing
soft gust
Ravager
dire hinge
finally got a clip of it at 0:03.
- MS is on CD
- Overpower is at 2 stacks (uncast, can't trigger battlelord)
- Ravager is on the floor (MS casts happen when the horizontal red bar hits the white tick marks)
- MS gets reset early on the 3rd tick (Ravager casting MS)
minor gust
Man that stealth unhinged change is pretty cringe of blizzard
latent moss
giga
soft gust
finally got a clip of it at `0:03`.
- MS is on CD
- Overpower is at 2 stacks (un...
Awesome! Thank you
soft gust
Are those weak auras something you made or publicly available?
frail laurel
hey all
boreal quartz
finally got a clip of it at `0:03`.
- MS is on CD
- Overpower is at 2 stacks (un...
useless info
frail laurel
was looking for opinions and help with addons
dire hinge
useless info
/shrug not looking for UI feedback
boreal quartz
dire hinge
it works for my brain, it's why i made it for myself, not others
dire hinge
third one appears for sweeping strikes when up 
boreal quartz
poor little branch icon needs resizing
dire hinge
trinkets are smaller by choice
boreal quartz
interesting
steep osprey
what's this
dire hinge
Rend -> Deep Wounds
steep osprey
Oh okay
dire hinge
haven't actively needed to track them for years, artifacts that i just keep around
steep osprey
That's a big cursor lmao
steep osprey
Fair
dire hinge
Are those weak auras something you made or publicly available?
ope sorry missed this, yeah packs like these are often found on Wago.io. I'd recommend poking around and seeing which ones you enjoy the most. Mine are up there, but I just use it as a code backup for personal use, instead of making them 'for' other people
soft gust
đđť
frail laurel
i have weakauras installedbut havent ever used it except on the remix completetion, really dont know what im doing with it
dire hinge
they're really spiffy.
rich ridge
Arms > fury?
frail laurel
arms
strange perch
Arms > fury?
Always ARMS
unborn canyon
frail laurel
been arms for almost 19 years
manic stirrup
Arms > fury?
in what category
manic stirrup
theyre basically even from the sims ive seen
its beta sims though
and idk how accurate they are
unborn canyon
fury is ahead now
thick kelp
why lie
unborn canyon
last i saw it was fury, maybe it changed idk
unborn canyon
like last week
thick kelp
wasnt ahead then
unborn canyon
manic stirrup
last i saw they were within 30k dps
unborn canyon
my source only lists it starting to be ahead as of like 6 days ago
manic stirrup
which is basically nothing
unborn canyon
ye
sacred zodiac
last i saw it was fury, maybe it changed idk
this is me when i lie
grave mulch
GOOD LUCK TODAY ALL!
thick kelp
<@&257983573498265600>
thick kelp
2
grave mulch
Rate Dragonflight expansion overall 1-10
6
grave mulch
just got the femboy protagonist dracthyr
paper summit
i had fun, dragon riding is here to stay. making old mounts dragonriding. decent talent tree's. our leggo. FINALLY joining currencies between toons, and gold across servers!
dire hinge
getting extra XP every time you level an alt
visual fern
miss garms..
manic stirrup
mortal niche
is arms back? trying to figure out what to level first
wary mauve
Why doesn't the arms colossus rotation include the Colossus spell? https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/arms-warrior-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities
Why isn't Demolish on there?
soft gust
Guides are WIP I believe
wary mauve
would make sense
fringe moon
Quite annoying having both demolish and Lego atmâŚ
smoky kayak
Why doesn't the arms colossus rotation include the Colossus spell? https://www.i...
something probably broke in the toggles, I'll take a look at it in a min
tired sinew
Quite annoying having both demolish and Lego atmâŚ
i heard warrs like to channel...... hue hue hue...
whats with the unhinged/ss nerf.. were we even too strong?? lol
dreamy egret
lol
dire hinge
whats with the unhinged/ss nerf.. were we even too strong?? lol
No idea, itâs been a thing for years.
wary mauve
something probably broke in the toggles, I'll take a look at it in a min
thanks
minor gust
No idea, itâs been a thing for years.
my theory is they want unhinged to be purely a ST talent and didnt like the fact that it helps in aoe
nova marsh
Which is moronic
minor gust
thats the wow dev team for you
fringe moon
my theory is they want unhinged to be purely a ST talent and didnt like the fact...
Then why make it come after bladestorm/ravager? Makes no sense
tired sinew
oh well.. off to work for oceanic people! have fun lvling guys good luck!
minor gust
Then why make it come after bladestorm/ravager? Makes no sense
because its very clear with BS especially they want them to be worth pressing in ST to make slayer work
blizz has a hard on for ST and Aoe choices again
RIP blademasters torment
nova marsh
Rip both torments
uncut pasture
wary mauve
How do I find out why weak auras is throwing an error? Interface action failed due to addon
uncut pasture
there may be someone in #ui-addons-manager that might know but more than likely it needs to be updated with the new patch or a different addon is conflicting with it somehow
smoky kayak
Everything is Updated for The War Within
Check #updates-midnight for important information, hotfixes, tuning, etc.
See the #dps-faq for Guide Links and more:
smoky kayak
thanks
found the error and fixed; got some more updates to come over the next day or two as well (and probably more besides that as Blizz continues to change stuff), but if you see anything weird feel free to DM me
wary mauve
found the error and fixed; got some more updates to come over the next day or tw...
Thanks!!
shadow ibex
shadow ibex
[energy whooshing] is the best caption ever
dire hinge
How do I find out why weak auras is throwing an error? Interface action failed d...
try installing both BugSack and BugGrabber.
It'll add a bag icon to your minimap you can click and it'll give you the full error.
dreamy egret
Why does execute look holy now I noticed it in hallowfall...
Like it's a golden yellowish maneuver now
manic stirrup
to match spear
dire hinge
it was red because it had the Venthyr condemn animation.
it's been updated to be yellow/brown since we're no longer venthyr.
minor gust
thats the only thing wow really lacks
spell customization
they have the tech with glyphs they just barely use it
Imagine if beating the the 13th delve rewarded a glyph to change the color of bladestorm or add more cool effects to it
id do that shit over tmog or mount anyday
dreamy egret
id do that shit over tmog or mount anyday
im a mounter.
dreamy egret
tbc here
tiny dock
dreamy egret
looks like 5 gold ill give you ten
grave mulch
The game is so buggy. Been DC like 9 times then i got DC and cant get back on alls i see now is
nova marsh
Welcome to mmo xpack launch days
dull siren
smoky kayak
Welcome to mmo xpack launch days
we had 45,000 people online and chat was almost dead silent for like 2 hours - I love new content day
boreal quartz
I logged off 1h in
dire hinge
boreal quartz
Hate working next day
smoky kayak
I logged off 1h in <:gladge:963970137701109820>
I haven't even logged in yet! 
boreal quartz
Even better
smoky kayak
all the good bugs gonna get fixed before I get to use them 
boreal quartz
Though directly on launch i cant complain
I had no bugs
But i only did like 71,5 level wise
Also there's a button to skip npc yap
no lore
fresh tide
Last couple hours have been rough with dcs, game was working great until then
pliant wolf
stopping by here to say arms buttcheeks yall stink lol (fury gng)
boreal quartz
is there a button to skip your yapping?
Log into work button does it
median scroll
evidently it doesnt for me pls fix
cloud dawn
Was enjoying playing ravager, its weird they give us that ability but make it useless with slayer
teal fossil
Thatâs what colossus is for
ebon garden
seriously ?
why ?
i mean, nerf some number if you want but let us cleave with unhinged, like let the MS go cleave but nerf the autocast to 75% i dont fucking know, damn what they are thinking in blizzard HQ ?
smoky kayak
probably "universal talent should be more ST talent"
seems pointless, but it's not the end of the world
gilded tiger
solemn fractal
Higher one
pearl nymph
So we cant sweap with unhinged now ? Blizzard really dont like arms đŤĄ
balmy kindle
So is arms worth buying war within for
frigid lava
One hour god damn
rose tide
anyone else having issue with avatar not working with macros
dapper trout
Did they make coppers a regular pet now?
strange perch
grave mulch
https://tenor.com/view/no-one-cares-spongebob-gif-6161325
okay boomer
prisma heart
hmm which one will i choose
fair pond
Yes
odd heath
Anyone can tell me why this spell is unavailable on arms ? D:
woven wasp
because youre talented into cleave
dusty summit
You have cleave tho
odd heath
Oh really, I should learn to read xd
dusty summit
Cleave replaced whirlwind now
odd heath
Yeah I just saw that, im kinda sadge
river lichen
what spec from 70-80 and duegeon grinding before season 1 raid open is the best ?
strange perch
okay boomer
Okey Doomer)
honest girder
what spec from 70-80 and duegeon grinding before season 1 raid open is the best ...
Prot
pallid olive
how u guys farm 571 gear if u did all worldquests?
amber nova
honest girder
Can pull entire zones with no fear of death. Instant dungeon queues since you stipulated dungeon farming
Itâs not actually that far behind on dps either during levelling
honest girder
Bottom line is if you have to ask it doesnât matter a toss
river lichen
i heared questing fastest
south merlin
Did anyone try to open wowhead hero talents guide for arms and when u press rotation it takes u to fury rotation guide?
honest girder
i heared questing fastest
Are you the full ticket?
paper shell
Did they remove the cool red venthyr trail for execute?
its just a brown poop trail rn
mortal rivet
Fastest person did (grouped) side quests to 76 and then dungeon grinded to 80
old urchin
Did they remove the cool red venthyr trail for execute?
Are you speccd into Massacre?
woven wasp
that doesnt matter anymore
yeah they removed it
all executes are now yellow condemn
manic river
Cleave replaced whirlwind now
It is WW still used as a filler in aoe rotation though? or people are just flat out ignoring it?
old urchin
Itâs replaced as in when you spec into cleave WW no longer exists as a button.
manic river
Ah okay thank you, still learning about all the patch changes
old urchin
NP. Itâs a great change imo.
manic river
Honestly I'm really glad Cleave is back into meta
Before hand outside of one tier set it was just a left out button in the talent tree
That said, I would like the developers finding a good use for WW in the future as a different build, it was fun in DF when the fervour build was in and you could just spin like monkey
latent moss
all executes are now yellow condemn
i thought that was
colossus only
why does everything have to be brown
echo fern
I feel like this may have been asked already but I've been busy why isn't this macro working anymore
it was working before the xpac EA started and I leveled as fury but now it's just now functioning
when I type /cast avatar it's telling me it isn't learned as well xD
boreal quartz
Try the Avatar spell id
echo fern
and what just do it as /cast 107574 ?
didn't work anyway
yeah it's just CONVINCED avatar doesn't exist as a spell
even by itself
coral crescent
I think someone mentioned they talented out of avatar and back into it and that fixed it?
I havent had a chance to try but may be worth a crack
river lichen
are arms warrior any good from maxroll i see they are high up for dps tier list
echo fern
bug report time it is
toxic socket
how quickly are people replacing set gear?
smoky kayak
I feel like this may have been asked already but I've been busy why isn't this m...
try /use instead of cast
dire hinge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1236380261160058961/1276584060285620335...
is this a PoV of Colossus gameplay just to match Slayer's passive performance
vocal drift
Hey! Does anyone have a weakaura for tracking colossus might stacks and the cooldown of demolish?
stone rover
Does anyone have a talent build for slayer?
shadow ibex
is this a PoV of Colossus gameplay just to match Slayer's passive performance
That's really the beauty of it
Think tactically and risk dying to silly shit to get equal or lesser results
latent moss
peak
west wasp
whats the best skill tree? colossus or slayer for arms
latent moss
slayer is more dps but colossus has more utility/survivability
west wasp
ah ok
fringe moon
it would've been interesting to see if EB was changed to give you a stacking buff that lasts only 2 seconds making the next MS cast within the duration deal +5% damage. Imagine those lucky EB streaks where you get 5-6 MS resets in a row
shadow ibex
Make a cool mortal combo
wary steppe
feels like there is nothing to do at 80 kinda dissapointed
wary steppe
heroic dungeons
manic stirrup
thatâs still nothing to do really
wary steppe
dont see much reason to keep them closed and m0 until S1? should be up at release day
raven ivy
How can you be disappointed when they made it very clear that the only content to do at 80 was professions and reputation
ebon ridge
whats the best skill tree? colossus or slayer for arms
I love and hate demolish, giga buffed crits for 3+ million feels good
nova marsh
whats the best skill tree? colossus or slayer for arms
Slayer is tuned better
south merlin
slayer is more dps but colossus has more utility/survivability
Slayer is more dps in ST but also Colossus might be better depending on fight conditions.
Demolish damage is high and the fact that colossus tree buff your main rotation (MS and cleave) and the automatic healing thing when near death, I personally see it better.
fringe moon
Shadow Essence Trinket is pretty nutty...
4min on test dummy and the shadow damage proc did 4.7% In addition, I had a 90% uptime on the crit buff and a 10% uptime on the strength buff. Both buffs can happen together
I also don't think the trinket is simming correctly atm
shadow ibex
thats probably true for a lot of trinkets
fossil thistle
gusty oxide
Any darkmoon deck worth to get, before actual trinkets?
olive nest
Ayoo thatâs hype news!
abstract vale
4min on test dummy and the shadow damage proc did 4.7% In addition, I had a 90%...
yeah but no main stat
fringe moon
yeah but no main stat
1 of the buffs when entering combat is +1373 strength and there's also a 90% uptime on the +421 crit rating
teal fossil
421 crit rating is dragon flight levels
The trinket isnât bad
But it isnât great
latent moss
no mainstat is evil
abstract vale
I just wouldnt call it nutty
this rat floats at like 50% uptime
not the best either
misty basalt
I understand BS is important with unhinged during execute phase, but it has low prio during rotation? Itâs part of the opener, and generally I know to keep everything on cooldown. Is it all over the place or just send it
teal fossil
this rat floats at like 50% uptime
I wonder if âalongside a beastâ means any beast in your party
abstract vale
I wonder if âalongside a beastâ means any beast in your party
no clue, dont play with many hunters
smoky kayak
I also don't think the trinket is simming correctly atm
world stuff is almost never tested, so that's probably true
fallen dome
When do we replace Fyr'alath? Has that been answered?
worldly kernel
When do we replace Fyr'alath? Has that been answered?
i replaced it at 77 with a green lol
fallen dome
I imagine we are looking for enough weapon damage to make the mark/dot not beneficial.
steep osprey
I have that one too
smoky kayak
When do we replace Fyr'alath? Has that been answered?
Fury can keep it in the offhand for quite awhile
I would say roughly 580 ilvl is a good time to replace it for Fury, probably closer to 550 for Arms
wanton sierra
got those 3
plucky cargo
anybody know at what item level does tww gear get better than mythic dragon flight tier set
edgy oriole
Anyone pissed about how demolish is super inconsistent
wanton sierra
moving targets always get me
edgy oriole
Just the fact theres no stun thats long enough for the channel is stupid
smoky kayak
anybody know at what item level does tww gear get better than mythic dragon flig...
In multitarget? lol you don't
edgy oriole
If you ever Played SWTOR it acts just like Ravage
Which had a lower CD and you can make it faster with haste
wanton sierra
anybody know at what item level does tww gear get better than mythic dragon flig...
idk man, i felt that with older gear i got more secondaries, but now i got more primary... idk
wanton sierra
got those 3
on my pick you can see my ilvl, secondaries behind tooltip
10% haste xD
hiest demolish? for me 2.2
smoky kayak
for leveling content, you can just go with ilevel - you basically one shot everything anyway, so combat isn't sustained enough for bonuses to matter
or you can just not bother to change at all, because you're probably going to close to one shot things all the way through
teal fossil
systemic oppression
dusty dagger
been a normal interaction since unhinged came into existence
the SECOND fury gets it
gone
sacred zodiac
it is specifically because YOU were having too much fun
you ruined it for all of us
dusty dagger
you take that back
latent moss
like xeos...
shadow ibex
give us back sweeping unhinged
latent moss
and it will stay good
shadow ibex
manic stirrup
unhinged is finally good
still good
dusty dagger
its just such a nothing change
i mean the change is fine if they're just worried about extra MS ticks into Colossal Might stacks
but then they should buff BS damage
vast helm
latent moss
astral yarrow
@deft girder how is warrior
finite mantle
radiant lion
mystic python
Is the 1% tactician proc from Deft Experience really worth more than massacre and Skullsplitter on the M+ build?
latent moss
yes
mystic python
It's... 1%?
latent moss
yes
obsidian wave
gamers what is the preferred spec for endgame rn
mystic python
The guide says slayer
latent moss
the one u enjoy more
obsidian wave
the one u enjoy more
I enjoy doing more damage
latent moss
slayer
obsidian wave
arms slayer or fury slayer?
latent moss
depends
sustained mt is thane fury
burst mt is fury
slayer
st is slayer arms
2t is slayer arms
5t sustained is colossus arms
by a tiny margin but still
astral yarrow
The flavor of slayer you prefer basically
latent moss
^
astral yarrow
flat willow
be the ret paladin you know you can be
latent moss
hell na
flat willow
Xeos will save us
mystic python
Imagine wanting an arms rework in any capacity beyond the removal of slam.
flat willow
we want legion arms, and we want it now
mystic python
lol
lmao even
As a FR enjoyer, no we don't.
Sure as shit don't want the stat weight priority
flat willow
stat weights can be fixed with 2 passives from the talent tree
flat willow
the csmash window wasn't a window by tomb with the longer c smash duration
mystic python
It sure as shit was
shadow ibex
replace slam with execute 
flat willow
I'm not sure I understand how you'd replace slam with execute
mystic python
Just remove slam, 11 rotational buttons is too fucking much.
mystic python
THundrous roar, cleave/ww for AoE, thunderclap/rend for debuff, skullsplitter, mortal strike, casmash, overpower, bladestorm, execute, demolish, sweeping strikes.
vast helm
The Darkarms Rises
latent moss
that makes no sense but go on
shadow ibex
fit in 3 demos a minute
latent moss
its a 1 2 3 rotation that consists of pressing 2 spells
shadow ibex
latent moss
over and over again
and now its 3 (slam)
cause blord is dead
ms op op slam ms op slam slam ms
mystic python
What the fuck are you talking about
latent moss
ms->3 globals->ms
latent moss
cooldowns are not rotational spells
if it was legion arms i would agree
but legion arms is different
mystic python
lmao
deft girder
<@139241006355841026> how is warrior
Big damage in my 3 hour dungeon spam
Wild going from enh to warrior
royal knoll
Do we break our tier set or hold on it it for now?
manic river
What a piece of crap
uncut pasture
Do we break our tier set or hold on it it for now?
hold it
south merlin
Do we break our tier set or hold on it it for now?
R u facing any troubles in dungeons or content overall? U r probably one shot everything personally am keeping it
astral yarrow
Warrior fuck good
south merlin
I will most probably exchange weapon only when I get a higher ilvl
manic river
Is someone taking the Colossus talents with arms? how is it doing?
TBH its a shame we got some of the very unispired ones like Slayer
terse osprey
Slayer or Colossus for lvling?
manic river
I would love to have thane
royal knoll
Thanks for the replies. Was really just curious because some of the pieces are like 300 str upgrade. that has to add up pretty quick
fresh spire
both
south merlin
Is someone taking the Colossus talents with arms? how is it doing?
I am still leveling and playing colussos.
The fact that both hero trees require same STATS I say u try and play what u enjoy cuz u can swap when ever u want
U can swap later between raids and M+ content I guess...
What am not getting, if Colossus buff your main rotation spells (MS and Cleave) and it helps with healing you automatically when near dead.
And gives u a strong spell to cast every 30-40 secs if u manage to keep the CD low.
What is better in slayer except for ST damage and in some situations also Colossus might be better.
Why is Slayer better then...
slender sonnet
south merlin
Just I wanna know with all the advantages of Colossus.
Why every guide says for M+ and Raid content Slayer is better
slender sonnet
buff arms
manic river
BIG NUMBAH
manic river
But is more passive (boring) ; P
teal fossil
So therefore itâs better
south merlin
Utility and survivability is better with colossus
manic river
Slayer does buff BS isn't it? it could be good if you preffer big AOE
south merlin
Slayer does buff BS isn't it? it could be good if you preffer big AOE
True BS is huge in slayer
south merlin
Press defensive stance more
Ignore pain as well :p
manic river
Does the Slayer buff also work with Devastator? I didn't see it specified on the description?
south merlin
Slayer does buff BS isn't it? it could be good if you preffer big AOE
Execute and BS
teal fossil
Slayer doesnât buff execute at all lol
It buffs marked for death procs lol
The whole point of slayer is to lean away from execute by giving you more procs
If anything colossus gains more power in execute
south merlin
Slayer doesnât buff execute at all lol
fresh spire
slayer does buff execute
teal fossil
Yes I know what slayer does
fresh spire
slayer execute profile does more damage in execute than colossus
teal fossil
But it buffs execute through a proc that has no interaction with the execute phase
south merlin
slayer execute profile does more damage in execute than colossus
And that is why it is better in ST damage right?
teal fossil
slayer execute profile does more damage in execute than colossus
Thatâs just because slayer is tuned higher
You need to look at % gains
Just like how 9.0 arms loses in execute to Druid
Not because Druid executes well
fresh spire
teal fossil
arms was just weaker
fresh spire
underestimate just how strong execute is in slayer
deft girder
in a good way, right?
wild as in one is einstein and the other is a toddler