arms

[south merlin]

This was the worst part. Decreased utilities. U never get invited😂

[storm prism]

High keys are less about DPS and more about buffs and util

[south merlin]

True

DH overall dps is always easy if u play it good. I find it hard to beat a good DH

[storm prism]

Yeah but havoc never sees play because vengeance is in most groups

Even without double sigils its looking like Veng will be one of the better tanks

[south merlin]

I do believe even with the decrease arms got they will be on top. So instead of hitting 1.5m MS it will be like 1m
Fine

Good thing they did not touch bladestorm so that we still exist in M+ damage meters

[storm prism]

Arms will always be held back in keys by survivability/util rather than damage

Why take the arms when the Fury can basically tank the dungeon while doing the same if not more damage than arms?

[gaunt owl]

lol utility

[manic stirrup]

utility almost never matters

[manic stirrup]

survivability?

[gaunt owl]

and dmg its all about prio dmg in higher key

[manic stirrup]

fury is a little tankier than arms but these are 2 of the tankiest specs in the game

[storm prism]

I agree. Arms is definitely tanky. But they are much more reliant on the healer keeping them up.

And saying util doesn't matter in keys is something only a class with no util would say to cope.

[manic stirrup]

its something good players recognize

spriest was never meta bc of utility

they always brought insane damage

mage isnt meta bc of utility its bc they synergize so well with how spriest plays in the group

[storm prism]

We're ignoring fort buff, PI, and MD then yeah?

[manic stirrup]

pi isnt utility

if spriest didnt do relevant damage they would not be brought

[gaunt owl]

the spriest isnt gonna game his PI around his mage

[manic stirrup]

simple as that

everytime any class is meta ppl point to utility but overlook that class happens to do the most damage

[gaunt owl]

if any warrior spec was doing more dmg it would be meta

[manic stirrup]

yeah dude warlocks are so good they have healthstones and gates

yeah man monks have so much utility they have hella cc

oh dude druids are just insane they have 2 very short cd stops

[storm prism]

Why are we acting like I said DPS doesn't matter? I'm saying the complete and utter lack of the ability to help your group is what keeps warrior out of the meta

B-b-but rally!

Gimme a break

[manic stirrup]

if warriors did the most damage they would be brought to keys

also if mass barrier is what ppl say makes mage op rally is atleast an okay button

and not the garbage ppl claim it is

obviously mass barrier is really good and rally is underwhelming bc its tuned around being so good in raid

[storm prism]

It isn't garbage it just isn't good enough to justify to 3 minute CD

[pale jungle]

it's barely good enough to justify a GCD haha

[gaunt owl]

utility talk are pointless

its all about the dmg

[manic stirrup]

i agree it’s not good enough

[storm prism]

This is bait it has to be

[woven wasp]

warrior has intervene, shockwave, fear, bolt, rally, reflect
what utility do you want, a dispell?

[storm prism]

Maybe lust or a way to keep people alive that doesn't have a 12 year CD

[manic stirrup]

mentioning lust makes me believe you have no clue what youre talking about

im going back to bed have fun

[storm prism]

"I have no argument so I'm leaving"

Nighty night

[gaunt owl]

lust is overblown in m+

[storm prism]

Bait

[gaunt owl]

its not gonna make or break a key

[old urchin]

Oof I dunno about that one my dude.

[manic stirrup]

mordrim and biz did hella keys in s2 with no lust

they were doing like 28s

lol

[opal folio]

It really isn’t. It sounds crazy on the surface but then you see a bunch of rank 1 teams relying on drums

[gaunt owl]

the only wall they face in m+ is how to survive

[manic stirrup]

not only has lust been proven to be pretty overrated especially with some specs not liking haste at all

[gaunt owl]

if they can survive anything they can keep pushing

[manic stirrup]

but also hunter has lust and that class has sucked in recent time

[storm prism]

Name one rank one player in here right now?

[gaunt owl]

oh lol

[manic stirrup]

being a rank 1 player is about time and teammates

[gaunt owl]

are you for real

[manic stirrup]

not about being good

[storm prism]

Hunter just can't stay alive. That's what gimps them.

No defensives. Same problem as shamans.

[opal folio]

I don’t see how this is relevant :/

[manic stirrup]

hunters in s4 shadowlands were brought despite being paper

bc they did the most damage

surprise surprise

gg

you lost

gn

[storm prism]

I gotta remember what discord I'm in lol

"Utility and defensives don't matter" choco circa 2024

[gaunt owl]

the BFA 3 BM meta

[manic stirrup]

of course defensives matter but if a class is so strong you will find a way to make it live

[gaunt owl]

you can accomodate to a spec short comings

[manic stirrup]

utility doesnt matter and has almost never mattered

utility only matters in things like s1 df when everything is so well and tightly tuned you bring things that compliment other specs you have

some ppl ran enhance and rogues and others ran caster comps

[storm prism]

Will it make or break a key? Maybe not depending on what it is.

Will it keep people alive and make keys MUCH easier to time?

100% yes.

[old urchin]

Yupppp

[manic stirrup]

so skill issue

[old urchin]

The whole game is a skill issue if you want to over simplify

[manic stirrup]

id argue too much utility makes people complacent

and play worse

[storm prism]

That's an interesting take LMFAO

[manic stirrup]

when ppl dont have a good vdh tank they are eating crayons bc they dont know what to do anymore

[storm prism]

Spoken from first hand experience I would imagine

[manic stirrup]

i’ve seen people leave groups because there isn’t a vdh tank and they “don’t want to think”

[gaunt owl]

100% facts

VDH doing all the heavy liftings made people shit

they dont even bind their kicks anymore

[old urchin]

Who are these players that aren’t binding kick

That’s gotta be hyperbole

[gaunt owl]

they do forget that they can kick

[storm prism]

"Well this one time something happened so CLEARLY it happens ALL the time."

[charred raft]

which altar for the ominous trinket

[storm prism]

Sim yourself

[thick kelp]

SP stopped talenting their kick pepelaf

[midnight mural]

What was the cd on that again ?

[gaunt owl]

45 baseline ?

[storm prism]

Priest kick has a stupid CD

[manic stirrup]

it is but its not very far from reality

ppl just expect every cast to be stopped

[south merlin]

So fury is now better than arms? Did not follow up alot on fury tbh

[storm prism]

Feel like it depends

Raid I feel is arms all day except for maybe council bosses. But in keys Fury is definitely better.

For now at least

[old urchin]

I’m a huge Arms enjoyer. Loved S4 because of it. But fury is just better in high keys (to me). The extra stam and movement speed make such a huge difference for survival. I live stuff without Fyrakk trinket or externals that I wouldn’t have lived as arms.

Plus Fury rotation is easier (to me). There aren’t as many conditions as Arms you just WW and do your ST rotation.

[silk spade]

baseg

[hazy flower]

Can u give me 1 example of a key that you couldnt live as arms without fyrakk trinket in s4 (not prepatch)

[south merlin]

Agree

[hazy flower]

That you actually did as fury

[old urchin]

I didn’t start playing Fury till prepatch. I realize what I stated is very anecdotal but I can only describe how it feels.

[hazy flower]

I dont want to sound insulting but in a real season (prepatch is very different for obvious reasons) not being able to live stuff as arms is in fact a skill issue. There are very very little situations where you kind of need to be a fury warrior and its only on tyrannical weeks

[old urchin]

Arms had way more close calls and “oops” deaths that don’t happen as fury. The margin of error is very obvious to me.

Tyrannical comes to mind when I talk about surviving things.

[hazy flower]

I haven’t done much warrior keys in season 4 but in season 3 keys where you need to be fury are tot/ad (you’ll respec anyways so u can be arms most of the key and fury for yazma) and everbloom since it had lots of rot damage where fury self heal was brutally good

[silk spade]

IP is your friend

[old urchin]

Lol yall I know what defensives both specs have. I never claimed to be a top tier player or that there isn’t a skill issue.

But saying “lolignorepain” is just silly.

[hazy flower]

Zhai just suggested more clever use of IP since that and d stance are generally underused

[silk spade]

idk i got the feeling you were making the argument that arms doesn't survive stuff without fyrakk trinket

i didn't call you bad i don't know what buttons you press

a lot of people don't even know about IP stacking

[storm prism]

Stances dance + IP is very strong but fury is simply better at staying alive. Also easier on your healer since they have loads of innate leech and self heals in their rotation.

[hazy flower]

And most keys were easily livable till prob 18’s on tyra? Like u didnt have to do anything even remotely fancy

[old urchin]

I didn’t think you called me bad. I can only report what “feels” better and fury just does feel better.

[hazy flower]

Nobody said fury isn’t tankier, I just stated arms can live same stuff most of the time without any externals or def trinkets whatsoever

And things where you kinda wanna be fury because its too much pressure are very specific and niche

[zealous pivot]

outside of noxiv im pretty sure the other title warriors last season were all arms

[silk spade]

point was that if you feel arms is squishy enough to warrant fyrakk trinket, you probably have some room for improvement in the defensive department

[hazy flower]

Nah

[old urchin]

Ya this is a big one. But I mained prot for a long time so that was an easy one for me.

[hazy flower]

Lots of fury merchants in high keys

[old urchin]

And also D stance. Before prepatch when I started pushing higher D stance just wasn’t required and I didn’t bother. Now I know it’s so required lol

[hazy flower]

Its a good habit

When you dont trust your healer you’ll play much more defensively even if you dont need

[storm prism]

I never claimed yall said that I was just stating the obvious here

[hazy flower]

But I played with 1 healer friend usually that very rarely struggles

[old urchin]

Heals has been my group’s struggle this season.

[hazy flower]

And if he does he’ll rethink and go do the same key with different plan/talents

[storm prism]

But Arms definitely relies on your healer. Healer dies? Fury is chillin. Arms is gonna fuckin die though.

[zealous pivot]

i was wrong it was 5-4

[hazy flower]

Only 9 warriors have gotten the title?

That doesnt sound right

[zealous pivot]

dps

[hazy flower]

Yeah

[zealous pivot]

https://imgur.com/a/m-title-distribution-by-spec-region-vnSLkmv

[hazy flower]

How many titles s3 vs s4

In general

Because I remember u had tens of titles in s3 among warrior dps

Granted some of them were boosted but so were some this season too

[zealous pivot]

iirc it was like almost half of s3

in total numbers

[hazy flower]

This chart seems very weird

Cutoff is wrong definitely

It was 3660/70

[zealous pivot]

prolly a week or two before end

idk i cba to look deeper

i doubt its too far off

but to the earlier convo about dps vs utility

anyone who thinks its not about dps is delulu

[hazy flower]

It is about dps

Utility talk is always changing

Oh this spec is meta damn he has good utility

Then meta shifts and suddenly shit spec is meta because of utility

Obv raidbuffs come into play

But aside from that

[zealous pivot]

tops runs are littered with dk/warrior almost exclusively

since prepatch, which i know is a meme

[hazy flower]

And ele

[zealous pivot]

yee

but it shows people do the highest keys with whatever is overtuned period

[wheat lagoon]

I do it for the fun

[slow saddle]

Ye title. Is just tuning

Utility is overrated

[jaunty sigil]

Yoooo folks - Just getting into arms. Usually play Prot and just wanna get used to DPS specs.

As far as I understand, just lining up damage CDs. colossus smash, avatar, sweeping, ravanger, thunder roar is the way to go. Then also spending your 2 overpowers for enhanced MS or Cleave.

Any major parts im missing?

[slow saddle]

Ms on cd

Ms>op>slam in st basicly keep rend up as well

[zealous pivot]

and sks during roar

[wheat lagoon]

Sks on CD so that every other one lines up with roar

[zealous pivot]

ya that

[jaunty sigil]

sorry - whats sks?

[latent moss]

skullsplitter

[jaunty sigil]

use that for ST or both?

and slam is now a useful button?

[heavy berry]

st mainly, and yep

we slarms now

[slate rain]

slam sucks

[jaunty sigil]

It doesn't seem like it comes up very often. Better to prio cleave or TC in AoE environments yeah? Slam is pretty much an ST skill?

[dire hinge]

in AoE you prioritize Cleave
if you can't cast either Cleave or OP, then you use Tclap to fish for a Tactitian reset of OP

[jaunty sigil]

@dire hinge fill with MS as well?

Ill pretty much being doing M+ with the spec, but also PvP and that's another level of things.

Not really a time (yet) that I will be doing DPS in a raid environment.

[dire hinge]

I can’t speak to pvp, but we do have #pvp to help with that.

But yes you do use MS as well, which helps with priority damage where needed

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#multitarget-priority

[jaunty sigil]

perfect!

Not too shabby of a rotation - Is it worth it snag some ST skills at times - Tyrannical weeks n such, or just slam the AoE skills

[dire hinge]

Weirdly enough arms does a lot of AoE without many aoe talents, so our talent tree (currently) makes us take a lot of single target

AoE is heavily propped up by just spamming Cleave and Overpower

[gaunt owl]

@soft coral https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko3Lqn-tbxs is that you ?

my bad wrong number

btw dont click his video

he didnt do research and pulling number out of his ass

[dull siren]

LMAO

[paper plover]

just coming back from a season break...how dif is the play arms playstyle gonna be in m+ from what we currently have?

[gaunt owl]

not much

just more Demolish and Bladestorm

[paper plover]

thx

[swift crown]

Is this the video version of the ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ spreadsheet

[gaunt owl]

i already removed this one from my memory

now the PTSD is kicking in

[thick kelp]

The tierlists

[boreal quartz]

It's the guy who said spear lego is pad

[teal fossil]

It is though

[hexed saddle]

why am i watching borat look at tww sims

[gaunt owl]

and now i cant unheard it

[hexed saddle]

holy fuck thats good

[gaunt owl]

[woven wasp]

i hadnt clicked it yet

[slate rain]

im finding survival more fun than arms

but hunter mogs are...oof

[tiny burrow]

How good is arms/fury in war within?

[dull siren]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit?gid=1035028190#gid=1035028190

Has all the sims currently

[tiny burrow]

ty

[empty bramble]

For Skullsplitter, is there a minimum duration of Rend / Deep Wounds we want before casting Skullsplitter? Basically should I refresh the dots before casting for maximum effect, or just send it regardless.

[woven wasp]

It hasn't worked like that for a long time. Just don't let dots fall off

[empty bramble]

hmm, but it cuts the duration in half, is it not adding more damage based on how much of the dot duration its cutting?

[plucky fern]

it adds a debuff on target

so if you apply new rend or dw after you cast sks, it will still have half duration and more speed

[empty bramble]

Ah I see, thank you.

[woven wasp]

it makes the dots tick twice as fast, it doesnt eat anything

[smoky kayak]

those are my favorite kind!

I love ass numbers

[outer holly]

Turns out Ms New Booty actually had a PhD in mathematics

[smoky kayak]

got a PhD in makin shit up!

[smoky kayak]

think of an acordian - during SkS the "rend accordian" gets compressed, when SkS ends, it expands again

while active, it halves the duration and the tick rate, so the relationship remains the same

[terse osprey]

Arms is real fun

[slate rain]

But will they even allow me to play it if fury is better

[strange perch]

Don't worry, War is usually shit, if they bring you it's usually dealer's choice at that point

[sacred zodiac]

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[hexed saddle]

generally speaking the rule is: if you have to ask, it doesn't matter for you

[sacred zodiac]

can i get a free pass on saying this once a day

[hexed saddle]

play what you enjoy

[hexed saddle]

ofc

its good advice

[sacred zodiac]

idk i feel its elitist sometimes

[hexed saddle]

it sort of is

but its also mentally freeing

[sacred zodiac]

like its undeniably the correct answer to 90% of questions asked

[slate rain]

even for M+ pugs?

[sacred zodiac]

especially for pugs

[hexed saddle]

if someone asks if "they should be allowed" to play a spec

[sacred zodiac]

you're not pushing world first keys

[slate rain]

yeah but puggers dont care they see on youtube and want that same gruop

[hexed saddle]

fuck em

make ur own group or suffer in pugs

[sacred zodiac]

ok but you come to a tc discord to ask what some people in some pug care about

[hexed saddle]

the only people that wont suffer is the absolute meta picks

everyone else is suffering along with you

[hexed saddle]

which fury almost certainly wont be

the average pug wont care if you're playing arms or fury

[slate rain]

nice

[hexed saddle]

its more likely they'll see brown and just not invite than actually caring about the spec

[slate rain]

[ivory quartz]

Based

[silk spade]

Xantaga 闲话 long talker 长篇大论 buff axe 抛光斧头 blue janitor 天空要塞看门人

[hazy flower]

I got kicked once cause I wasnt a fury wari

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1036769769543704576.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

(They probably depleted anyway)

[latent moss]

was common in SL

getting kicked from weeklies for playing arms

[odd mist]

My impression playing arms in m+ is that the AOE rotation is extremely chaotic with too many buttons to press and during the execute phase I do not have enough rage to press execute. Is my perception correct or am I doing something wrong?

[dire hinge]

When it comes to M+, it's mostly just "use major CDs" and then spam Cleave, with Overpower between, using MS/Tclap to fill.
you're correct that Execute phase now leaves us more prone to running out of resources (rage), but with some tweaks to your rotation it's less of an issue.

you can't just spam execute or you'll run out of resources quite fast now.
The rule of thumb is to cast Execute at 60+ rage, and Overpower at 0-59.
(then press MS if you have cast Execute twice on the target, to conume the debuffs execute applies)

[gaunt owl]

worst part is undoing the damage going around each time

[smoky kayak]

oh you sweet summer child

[alpine moth]

the literal first thing he says is that many sims are not working/wrong/need tuning

and that its just something fun to yap about bc there's nothing to do in the game rn

[gaunt owl]

you think people care about what he said in the video

look at this

#1230008337517514772 message

[alpine moth]

ofc not, ive basically only seen people spreading the doc around + cue the horde of nerds angry

[gaunt owl]

people just come in with the number

and forget everything else

[alpine moth]

but thats not his fault, people need to use brain

for 2 seconds

[gaunt owl]

when we fucking have a spreadsheet with every sims we did

[alpine moth]

ya and that is the spreadsheet he links in his doc

[gaunt owl]

thats public

no thats not

[dire hinge]

number bigger do gooder

[gaunt owl]

our spreadsheet isnt that one

[alpine moth]

ok

[gaunt owl]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit#gid=0

when you say you do research

and you dont and throw number

we come after you

thats what we did

[alpine moth]

well i hope it did it for u

[gaunt owl]

basically asking around any discord if they have work done is basic 1o1 research

[dire hinge]

haha, admittedly when i saw "arms can't sim", i was caught off guard by it, since we have some very extensive sim sheets going back weeks

(shared openly)

[gaunt owl]

for a month we started

as soon as Arma told us hero talent were in

[alpine moth]

so i clicked on ur doc

andi clicked on his doc

and im clicking between both of them

and im noticing that no piece of information is changing at all

and this is exactly the experience i had when I looked at it earlier

[gaunt owl]

so you dont swap to the different tab ?

[alpine moth]

the link on his doc just takes it to ur doc

[dire hinge]

use the tabs at the bottom to choose which spec and hero tree

[alpine moth]

ya

i know that

im saying

its the same shit

u said it was wrong

its literally just a link that goes to ur doc

[gaunt owl]

oh so he fixed it after 12 hours

[alpine moth]

it was this way hours ago

idk

dh sims got updated in like 30 mins basically

every discord got baited

into actually giving him

[dire hinge]

dunno, earlier it was not linked ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[alpine moth]

the updated numbers

[gaunt owl]

we didnt get baited

[alpine moth]

its a joke

[gaunt owl]

we are tired of people spreading misinformation

[alpine moth]

lmao

[gaunt owl]

like its the bible

[alpine moth]

did he?

his FIRST

[gaunt owl]

and we have people throwing the screenshot after

[alpine moth]

sentence

in the video

[gaunt owl]

look at the comment in his youtube video

you have people saying you cant trust the sim because you dont know who made it

but they gonna trust a youtuber

[alpine moth]

i think its fine to not like this dude or his content, he's clearly just farming clicks (like most)

but he literally tells u

instantly

that its 4fun video

[dire hinge]

for sure

one of those fun things where even with tons of prefacing folks just dive in and look for what they want to see

[alpine moth]

wow andys are so obsessed w number go up that all ive seen in discords all day is randoms asking about this doc tho lol

[gaunt owl]

thats all they want

to know wich spec is better

instead of playing their favorite spec

[dire hinge]

just have fun

[alpine moth]

i saw someone say something like "if you have to ask, you're probably not even in the crowd of people who it would even matter for"

thats kinda how i feel about that stuff, it just doesnt really matter for me bc im not gonna be pushing 0.1% content

[dire hinge]

for sure, some folks like to be aware due to the wave of stigma that then follows.
"omg you're playing boomie?? no thank you" kinda stuff

[hexed saddle]

#arms message

[alpine moth]

wow i made it way more yappy

but yes

[gaunt owl]

problem is sometimes the guild officer dont know better

and gonna force people to play whats "best"

[alpine moth]

🔥

[hexed saddle]

its one of my favorite sayings for when 1 too many people come in to ask which spec is better

[gaunt owl]

follow the meta instead of having your player on their favorite spec

[alpine moth]

cant hear you, im going mechagnome

5k dps bonus

[dire hinge]

diaper gnomes

save on pant transmog costs at least

[grand idol]

The correct answer is void elf for half mog costs. Tangible benefit.

[smoky kayak]

tbf all the numbers are made up, even the stuff paw linked is out of date every 5 minutes; I added another 100k to slayer last night that's not tracked yet and it'll probably change again tomorrow

which is exactly why it doesn't get publicized, there's no point in it right now

[grave mulch]

Actually is human still on top?

[dire hinge]

it does the (forbidden S word) as we gain more stats, so not out of the gate, but eventually catches up as we get a larger quantity of secondary stats

but all races are so extremely close to one another, just pick which one you like tbh

[strange perch]

Hello, I was wondering why wowhead guide states that Haste is our lowest priority stat. I checked some high-end players, both for m+ and top logs and they are all stacked with haste

[boreal quartz]

You have a shit on of all stats right now

So i can comfortably have my 40% haste and still have 50+% crit and 45+% mast

With idk how much vers

Also it's prepatch i am not recrafting anymore cba

[strange perch]

And are there some guesses what will be stat prio for TWW?

Because playing with lower than 5% haste is a pain xD

[thick kelp]

Both hero specs will still want some haste, slayer more colossus less

[manic stirrup]

yes

[manic stirrup]

warrior is usually pretty good

[slow saddle]

Keep sandbaging warrior is bad, arms is the worsr

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[nimble yoke]

that was a mistake lol

[vast helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230008337517514772/1255253788365688832/761040892970139649.gif

[latent moss]

literally 5 minutes after slayer got implemented

(arms cant sim btw)

[gaunt owl]

keep the doomium lvl high

[slow saddle]

Yes at least until season 2

[livid cloak]

I'm enjoying arms in keys with bladestorm in the pre patch. I'm looking forward to tww.

The playstyle is enjoyable to me rn, execute is still a bit of a slog though

It will probably feel worse when we lose stats and go back to no haste and crit though

[gaunt owl]

haste doesnt matter

[latent moss]

^

arms plays well cause of high crit

[fresh spire]

at least we almost have 40% crit in full bis

more like 38

but close enough

haste worst stat in colossus rn

but haste good in slayer

[latent moss]

time to play colossus

fuck haste

[livid cloak]

I'm gonna play slayer because I like bladestorm

[alpine moth]

[charred flicker]

Anyone have a WA for Fyr'alath? I tried to set it up like my trinkets, but for some reason it is not showing

[storm prism]

It normal to have dead spots where I'm using slam 2-3 times in a row in ST?

[gaunt owl]

you mean empty GCD ?

it can happen when unlucky with tactician proc

[hybrid holly]

still need? https://wago.io/uzrNmmvXt

[south merlin]

Hello everyone, quick question.
Ravager vs Bladestorm.

What do u prefer?

[manic stirrup]

ravager

[south merlin]

For the fact that you keep casting while it is going ? or what exactly...
I tried both, Ravager built is pretty nice for boss fights due toithe fact that it is more priority built.
However felt like BS burst more in AOE.

[manic stirrup]

ravager is so much better

just need to play around collateral damage and mbg

[south merlin]

I saw some chats before in the group saying that MS > OP

Does this change the 2 OP stacks fact?

[outer holly]

Are you conflating op with exe?

Oh sorry I may have misread that, are you talking about the op buffs or the idea of not letting OP hit max CD stacks?

[south merlin]

Last season it was always 2 OP stacks then MS

but I read some here in the group mentioning MS on CD, and MS > OP > Slam

So I was thinking, MS>OP even if 1 stack or no stacks? Although am still playing it 2 stacks OP then MS

[minor gust]

if you are talking about ST it has never been OP > MS

[south merlin]

AOE?

[minor gust]

?

[wary raft]

in aoe you pressed cleave at 2 stacks of martial prowess yea

but never ms

or, at least, you tried to get to two stacks of it before cleave. if cleave was all u had left you still pressed it

[minor gust]

its like MS in the sense u want cleave on cd regardless of OP stacks

[tall socket]

do we know if the 5% size upgrade of Colossus stacks with other size increase effects like the one from the Vykrul drinking horn?

[dire hinge]

Waiting for 2x MP before you MS was a thing, but it was a while ago, when we didn’t take Cleave

[dire hinge]

Likely does, but I haven’t tested it personally

Casting your Drinking Horn -> Aquatic Shades 👌 (overrides Viking helm and gives you sunglasses + size)

[minor gust]

Size maxing

[dire hinge]

It made my Dark Iron Dwarf the size of a human lol

[outer holly]

The Thunderclap King whenever he walks

[dire hinge]

I’m trying to sneak past the trash, but the clap of my steps hath alerted the guards

[tall socket]

the shades are just to override the drinking horn helmet right? doesn't increase your size anymore

[dire hinge]

correct, the shades just replace the helmet appearance

i dont think the shades ever increased your size, they're just a visual apperance

unfortunately I can't test on Beta because the toy is greyed out

[tall socket]

ahh ok, np then, i'm planing to race change my warr to dracthyr once they get new classes, and the drinking horn helm doesn't appear on them anyway

[tall socket]

yep, if its just for the helmet then then im k 🙂 ty for testing it out

[dire hinge]

of course!

[tall socket]

vykrul+colossus+enrage/avatar size increase (can't remember wich of them is the one that makes you grow).

Warrs are gonna bet biig

[slender kestrel]

give it to me straight boys

Hows arms cookin in tww

[graceful axle]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-coffin-coffin-dance-funeral-funny-farewell-gif-16737844

[tall socket]

i still prefer to see big fat damage numbers than a lot of tiny small ones.

choice is, execute spam or massive in your face blow every half min.

[next grove]

what looks to be the "go to" hero spec for arms so far?

[minor gust]

Slayer

not biased

[wicked aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/slayer-slayer-fan-slayer-ccream-slaytanic-slayeeeeeer-gif-12092692

[tight fractal]

Been in cryo since the end of season 3, what's the fastest way to get 2 bullion cubes for my soup, err, legendary, and flightstones to upgrade it for leveling process.

[silk spade]

lfr

[frigid lava]

Just any raid content that you can accesss

[sterile gazelle]

Execute spell animation and sound is one of the most beautiful in WoW

[frigid lava]

what the hell... 8 hour maintenance?

[storm lark]

Anyone have Ravager duration tracker WA to share?

[latent moss]

yeah now u will wait for tierset

in exe

so 2x ep 2x tierset

nvm this is aoe talk

[gaunt owl]

Not sure its the latest

Im at the hôtel cant check

But im sure its still only EP for colosuss

[latent moss]

have fun at the hôtel

1.347 highest sim

[gaunt owl]

Its fake plz dont be real

[latent moss]

[gaunt owl]

Shit ass spec

[latent moss]

u will suffer old man

!!!

[gaunt owl]

I cant with their shit tuning

[latent moss]

colossus xd

ms is like perma buffed as well

[latent moss]

slayer breakdown is peak

freaky

[gaunt owl]

Giga freaky

[olive nest]

[gaunt owl]

Whats interesting is that Slayer send 8 Bladestorm, and Colossus only 6 Ravager

Slayer insane CD reduction

[quasi torrent]

funny breakpoint

[latent moss]

u know how

u dont like being shoehorned into the last 35%

😊

our damage only doubles

😊

as slayer

[gaunt owl]

30% of slayer dmg is passive

Much skill expression

[latent moss]

all of it is passive pretty much

[silk spade]

slayer strike is cool

[latent moss]

u just send sd on cd

[olive nest]

Imagine bleeds are 90% of the damage break down

[silk spade]

Ppaw you always talk about complexity I think you might want to play another class

[gaunt owl]

Was 45% more dmg into Execute iirc for Slayer

[silk spade]

[latent moss]

they buffed

both exe talents

[gaunt owl]

Same as now

[latent moss]

by 50%

[gaunt owl]

I do find the complexity in trying to min max what cant be

[latent moss]

its not even complexity

thia spec can be played with a castsequence macro

like s3 fury

0 thoughts required

[gaunt owl]

Bloated opener and then send on CD

[latent moss]

thought inducing gameplay i must say

[manic stirrup]

theres no spec thats genuinely difficult in the game

theres just more or less difficult specs but they are all pretty easy

[gaunt owl]

there is 0 skill expression with warrior

turn off brain

smash it

[manic stirrup]

there definitely is its just very minor and is basiocaly invisible

[silk spade]

Was this ever not the case? Genuine question I haven't played many expansions

[manic stirrup]

you have ravager ticks on fury and had your reck auto attack timings on arms and making sure you spend the most rage you can effectively in tom

[gaunt owl]

legion you had some min maxing to do with your tactician proc

[manic stirrup]

though with tom and reck not being played arms is pretty deadge

[latent moss]

sl arms was giga simple yet most couldnt play it

"most"

rerolls i mean

[gaunt owl]

charge weaving was a real skill to master

[latent moss]

it rewarded patience

[gaunt owl]

if done correctly it was a significant gain

[latent moss]

like pressing slam and not having enough rage to MS

was a big loss

[silk spade]

not a fan of that

[manic stirrup]

charge weaving to function wasnt too fun

especially bc everythings hitbox is different

[gaunt owl]

i did hate charge weaving too

[gaunt owl]

same reason

[manic stirrup]

youre not wrong though it definitely was skill expression

[gaunt owl]

boss hit box are so shit sometimes

[manic stirrup]

bro our mage on volcoross testing was so tilted

[latent moss]

most of the skill expression was making sure u were sending ms on cd

[silk spade]

Projectile travel time on volcoross is omega cursed

[manic stirrup]

he was playing arcane and was like why arent my spells hitting

and tried playing fire

and was like wtf man why arent my spells hitting

[slow saddle]

SLAYER IS the new CONDEMN !

[gaunt owl]

Its s3 tier set without tclapping

[slow saddle]

sweet

now give aura buff

i wanna be top dmg

[gaunt owl]

Slayer is pretty close on both spec

Didnt do the % diff but its not much

[slow saddle]

well i dont wanna push a button that makes me stuck

better to spin

• slayer has to be better at add cleave no ?

[gaunt owl]

Its better yes

Ravager is good dmg that free your hands

But Demolish is less channeling than Slayer

[slow saddle]

true but the channel isnt the issue

its the not moving

or the demolish stopping if prim target dies

or moves away

if it was a cone u would stomp out while being able to move

id love it

[slow saddle]

to be fair my wet dream would be slayer, but with the ability to choose ravager

[cyan tusk]

So I haven’t played beta, do we have a good idea what the Arms choice is between slayer and colossus yet?

[olive nest]

Yeah fury

[cyan tusk]

lol are you memeing

[slow saddle]

fury

[gaunt owl]

We both know it would be broken

[slow saddle]

hmm

[gaunt owl]

For ST it would be top tier dmg instantly

[slow saddle]

and why shoulndt we be top tier ?

[gaunt owl]

We cant or fury player get jelly

[novel stump]

how is slayer looking for single target? I usually avoid bladestorm because it lacks versatility

[thick kelp]

Looks like its the play

[latent moss]

better than colossus

[slow saddle]

is it worth playing bladestorm in higher keys for the extra aoe?

atm i feel like ravager is slaying in aoe as well

[thick kelp]

bro what extra aoe

[slow saddle]

ah

[thick kelp]

you are just wasting globals you could use to press cleave

[slow saddle]

i thought it was as i c ppl playing it

i havent tested bladestorm ^_^

[thick kelp]

well ye u play what u want its prepatch

[slow saddle]

i play what does the most dmg

^_^

as arms

if not i would do the whole fury thing

[untold trench]

^_^

[trim lintel]

_ _

[boreal quartz]

@thick kelpbro ive been playing like 5 keys as healer

this is an incredible experience

is this what aug feels like

i just do nothing and collect loot

[rare kite]

think aug is like that but on steroids

[boreal quartz]

i had an aug refute my gg at the end of a key

since we didnt 3 chest

???????????

[rare kite]

aug players are a different species istg

[silk spade]

yeah that sounds like healing

spam healing spells when everyone is 99% hp and not cast a single damaging spell for minutes

[boreal quartz]

im doin 100k overall but i dont have tome so im missing 40k from there xd

[median jolt]

Phil is my healer

😭

[boreal quartz]

i did more pugs after

their pulls u actually do nada

[median jolt]

Once i learn to press shit u will payphone keys

[boreal quartz]

i mean i already am

i just found out I can buff my AOE heal combo by 70%

[median jolt]

Maybe kryin lives something now

[boreal quartz]

once i start running the non pepega talents ill be tuuurbo sleepge

[boreal quartz]

ye nah my pug 528 also got oneshot 3 times

[median jolt]

Xdd

[boreal quartz]

not my fault if u stand in spin in AA

im not even gna start healing u

@median joltmore key tmr or u workin

[silk spade]

@boreal quartz what healer are you playing

[boreal quartz]

rsham

[silk spade]

based

[boreal quartz]

cuz i mada enha alt

but now im rotating between ele and rsham in keys

and enha in st/raid

[silk spade]

i cooka da pasta

[boreal quartz]

but ele just blows enha out of the water

[silk spade]

I head rsham will giga focus on chain heal in tww

instead of playing around riptide

[boreal quartz]

like im 508

and have no idea how to play

still does dece ig

will overtake mr moonkin in 10 ilvls and 2 trinkets

[silk spade]

lava burst merchant

[boreal quartz]

i cook da meatball

[quaint otter]

firsttimed

[boreal quartz]

i am 509

[quaint otter]

git gud at gearing then

massive skill issue

[boreal quartz]

the char hit 70 yesterday

[quaint otter]

[boreal quartz]

i missed alt mythic unfortunately

or i would have 6M vault now

[quaint otter]

[boreal quartz]

but on wednesday we go again I think

kinda happy how i got almost full hc tier now

actually wait i do

[quaint otter]

u just made me to want to play shaman maaaan

[boreal quartz]

need to do stinky crafting

flightstones

600 crests to go

[quaint otter]

Got full mythic one

[boreal quartz]

elemental turbo slams rn its crazy

[silk spade]

surely you don't do m+ for a week

before launch

[boreal quartz]

i was like 504 and do 1 mil on 5 mobs

[boreal quartz]

im just gaming with friends

[quaint otter]

^

[boreal quartz]

i think in wawi char is dead insta

idk yet tbh

[silk spade]

that's fine

farming crests tho...

[boreal quartz]

HC pugging is also dire

Wiping to tindral days before wawi

[quaint otter]

i helped friend fyrakk today

entire group under 300k

[silk spade]

I had a group die at rasz today

2 year old raid btw

[quaint otter]

yep

i like the design when

[boreal quartz]

You know what would be funny

[quaint otter]

2 last bosses of the raid actually require some brain

while rest are dummies

[boreal quartz]

I should play ele till i out parse my old guilds ele otp

[boreal quartz]

I mean it's still turbo piss free but ppl arent all mythic raider frogs

[quaint otter]

🤷‍♀️

[boreal quartz]

cant help em

[median jolt]

Work angle but many key after forsure

[median jolt]

Sniffa

The rat raid

[boreal quartz]

i will ask arma what the plan is

[boreal quartz]

i wont even be omega rat by then

i just spam +7s till i am overloaded in crests

or whatever +4 it is

for hc

[quaint otter]

why not just pump 8s

[median jolt]

Spamming keys for heroic crests is beyond demon

[boreal quartz]

i need the lower keys crests

[quaint otter]

u can exchange red crests to blue ones

[boreal quartz]

i have almost all items together but i need to send them to 515

oh right

ig i do more 8s on healer

[silk spade]

+2 wyrm, +6 aspect

[terse osprey]

Can i run BS instead of Ravager its boring lol

[dire hinge]

I mean you can run whatever you want to at the end of the day, talent swaps are free.
Bladestorm just adds not-much-AoE for some pretty significant single target reduction

[terse osprey]

I'll take it lol

[minor gust]

BS is currently in Slayer waiting room

[teal fossil]

yeah bs is pretty unplayalbe without slayer

[thick kelp]

Baseg healer choice aswell

[livid cloak]

I'm running bs in keys right now and it's perfectly fine

Next week for tyrannical I'll swap back to ravager though

[manic stirrup]

you should run ravager on fort as well

its just better

[true latch]

absolutely loving arms rn

cleave is an absolute monster, and it isnt getting nerfed with the changes tomorrow

[terse osprey]

I will simply just use BS prefer it over Ravager even if Ravager is prob better in some parts

[hexed saddle]

theres still time!

🙂

[true latch]

dont you do this to me

[terse osprey]

😮

[true latch]

i need my 3mil magic erasers

cant waight for colossus, doubling down on cleave dam

[gaunt owl]

Cleave damage reduced by 80%, Arms started having fun and we cant have that in our game. Best regards Blozzards

[minor gust]

nothing new

[strange perch]

WE NEED MORE SANDBAGGERS 💀💀💀

Hurry!!!

We are in A tier in teir lists now 😭😭

[latent moss]

dw in tww

when we lose our stats

we will lose all our dmg

its impossible for arms to get nerfed on live

cause its always shit until 4 aura buffs

then its busted

new patch its shit again

the cycle just keeps repeating

[latent moss]

come 20s next season i want skyfury

[boreal quartz]

can do as ele prolyl

fun spec

[waxen elbow]

That's that famous warrior scaling

[latent moss]

ele will get gunned down

[latent moss]

warriors scale indeed

with aura buffs

[boreal quartz]

defo

[latent moss]

20% colossus buff

cant wait for hero talent aura buffs

[boreal quartz]

[strong quarry]

what are good stat values ? 🤔

like ik cr > vers = mastery > haste and that following these might not be what i need in my current situation but what are good values i should aim to get ultimately

[swift crown]

You shouldn't aim for specific values at all really

[strong quarry]

im not

i just want to know what our bis gear equals to in values

[boreal quartz]

just sim

there isnt a TRUE bis as races and trinkets n shit swing stuff around

[strong quarry]

how does that help me get values?

[strong quarry]

but there is a bis list?

[woven wasp]

you should never think about values

[strong quarry]

why not?

[woven wasp]

becasue its pointless

[boreal quartz]

there will be items you always see

sark cloak / fire rings / lego / tierset

[thick kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[strong quarry]

thats not at all what im asking 😅

[boreal quartz]

you should just sim yourself

[thick kelp]

"like ik cr > vers = mastery > haste and that following these might not be what i need in my current situation but what are good values i should aim to get ultimately "

[strong quarry]

but i dont want to know what are the best stats for my character 🤦‍♂️

[thick kelp]

"But what are good values i should aim to get ultimately"

[boreal quartz]

THATS WHAT THE SIM DETERMINES

[woven wasp]

one million of each stat sounds pretty good

[thick kelp]

Literally same thing as in the gif

[woven wasp]

aim for that

[boreal quartz]

it tells you what combo of YOUR gear is the best for YOUR char

[strong quarry]

it would be but its not possible

[thick kelp]

People who refuse to sim are the biggest ragebaiters istg

[strong quarry]

its not what i want to know

[strong quarry]

i do sim, but siming isnt helping me with what i want to know right now

[boreal quartz]

then go 40 40 40 30

or some dumb shit

knowing sim is better

[strong quarry]

i just wanted to know what the bis gear list equals to in values and was wondering if something already computed that or if i have to do it on my own 😐

[woven wasp]

why would anyone do that

[thick kelp]

We arent in wotlk anymore

bistlists dont exist

[woven wasp]

like genuinely what value is there in doing that

[daring heron]

bis list doesnt exist

just sim yourself all the time

[strong quarry]

because its equivalent to a bis list, if you add effects

[thick kelp]

You sim the combination of your own gear for the best results as you obtain more and more gear

[boreal quartz]

@thick kelpthis dogshit is preventing me from doing aspect to hc crests

[thick kelp]

send a droptimizer here and there to see what item could potentially be upgrade

[boreal quartz]

i could scream

[thick kelp]

wtf is even that quest LMAO

[boreal quartz]

i need to unlock the crest changer

by doing it for each tier

and im stuck on the pissboy tier since i have gear

[strong quarry]

but i dont want to know my current local optimization...

this was a theoretical question, it has nothing to do with my character

but ig the answer is that i just have to do it myself

[woven wasp]

its a dumb theoretical

[daring heron]

most of the time it's better to not worry about things that dont matter

[thick kelp]

is this like worldquest/lfr level crests

[strong quarry]

its called curiosity

[woven wasp]

that doesnt make it any less worthless

[boreal quartz]

ye

[thick kelp]

Cursed system

[strong quarry]

only because you dont understand its value doesnt mean its worthless lul

[woven wasp]

[waxen elbow]

Yeah Greg you're clueless

[boreal quartz]

@woven wasp

[strong quarry]

i didnt say that, i just said he doesnt understand that specifc little thing

[boreal quartz]

if you wanted the stats

simcraft stacked sims

go to warrior

go html report

check stats#

[thick kelp]

They already gone :^)

there is only nxt tier and prepatch

[boreal quartz]

i know

[thick kelp]

and both dont have warrior

[boreal quartz]

wayback machine

but i dont need a bis list they do

so they gotta invest the time

[thick kelp]

:DD

[boreal quartz]

:D

[waxen elbow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1271809677264683080/critcake-warrior.gif

[thick kelp]

Might start this as hobby on alt account

go into discords begging for bislists and stat weights

ignore anyone saying that they arent real

[woven wasp]

a more sophisticated person is looking for the stats on a bis list, ill sit back, shut up, and listen

[boreal quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1271809677264683080/critcake-warrior.gif

[woven wasp]

why is critcube

[boreal quartz]

they never ask how is critcube

😔

[brisk slate]

If you really want a statlist, you can check out Archimtiros' guide on wowhead. He usually includes a statlist for what it's worth.

What you do with it is up to you.

[strong quarry]

what do you mean by statlist? i only found a priority regarding stats

[brisk slate]

... which is a statlist, and during the prepatch he recommends Crit > Mastery = Versa > Haste. Of course, with the disclaimer that it's meant for the best geared people, but still.

[thick kelp]

Also if you spent one min on wowhead there is this section https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/bis-gear#bis-items-raid

[brisk slate]

Arms has no stat that is overwhelmingly better than the rest, so it always fluctuates wildly, so a set statlist isn't a thing.

At least not a static one.

[woven wasp]

you do know this guy is asking for the exact amount of each stat the "bis list" has

[strong quarry]

which only lists the gear but not the stat values it equals to

[woven wasp]

brother

get out a calculator holy shit

[brisk slate]

Well, one van still try to lend a hand.

[boreal quartz]

holymoly

thats a cook

bro is not crafting at all

🗣️

[woven wasp]

higher ilvl is better as we all know

[strong quarry]

i was just asking if someone already did that

[boreal quartz]

@woven wasptry htis

ele shaman stats

[woven wasp]

running the numbers

[boreal quartz]

[woven wasp]

♻️ no one has because its pointless

you can be the first

[strong quarry]

🤦‍♂️

[woven wasp]

but no one will congratulate you

[brisk slate]

That you'd have to calculate yourself, I'm afraid.

[woven wasp]

seriously

please tell us why you want this so much im dying to know

[strong quarry]

well ik how to calculate the absolute value, but im not sure how the % works, i thought it would be affected by dr or something 🤔

[boreal quartz]

you input the gear into a sim

quicksim it

go html report

it tells you the %

[strong quarry]

y thats prob fastest

[brisk slate]

Simming it is the simplest solution here.

[boreal quartz]

but that requires you do have bis or do gearcompare into copy

and since no one gives a fuck about bis

youll have to find it first

[strong quarry]

cant you just write the custom input for any gear anymore?

[boreal quartz]

you can

but gearcompare is easier

[strong quarry]

ah

[strong quarry]

yy exactly thats why i was asking if someone already did this

[brisk slate]

That's...dubious, to be honest.

[strong quarry]

?

[brisk slate]

As others stated, nobody really cares about that kind of information, so I highly doubt that many people would
Go through the effort of this process.

[strong quarry]

im pretty sure the people who wrote the icy veins and wowhead guides had these numbers at one point when they were simming the best gear

[woven wasp]

no?

theyre simming gear

not stats

[brisk slate]

Pretty sure the important thing there is the output rather than the raw stats.

[woven wasp]

like, idk what game youre playing but this isnt mop, you dont need hit/expertise cap and 45% crit

[strong quarry]

and what do you think that gear equals to in the code? lol

[strange perch]

neck=,id=201759,gem_id=192938/192938/192938,bonus_id=8836/8840/8902/9477/8782/9405/8794/10358/

[strong quarry]

yy ofc, im just saying it probably popped up as a side info at some point

[woven wasp]

why do you think anyone gives a single shit about how much rating you have at any point

its worthless

[brisk slate]

1 and 0.

[boreal quartz]

enjoy

[brisk slate]

Probably, but I don't think anyone would take notice of it as it is mostly irrelevant.

[woven wasp]

cant wait to make valuable decisions on this information

[wary raft]

I asked you what % I should be aiming for this doesn’t help me at all. D:

[boreal quartz]

calculate the stats

this is so fun i want to do gear with simc for stats

[livid cloak]

I just prefer bladestorm, so that's what I'm playing. Still timing 18s and 19s with it

[obtuse copper]

How about you calculate DN?

[boreal quartz]

circumference x diameter

[woven wasp]

holy unhinged message proc

[sacred zodiac]

what is optimal haste %?

[boreal quartz]

8

[sacred zodiac]

unequipping gear to make this happen

[woven wasp]

real

[sacred zodiac]

mappers found me a divine today thank you phil

[boreal quartz]

thats nice

i hoope you enjoy your divine

[quasi torrent]

its 7

actually

[woven wasp]

talenting into endurance training instead, got it

[crisp cedar]

yo how does execute phase look in aoe? or do we just not do it

[thick kelp]

You do it if ss down 2T or ss up 4T

[swift crown]

I was that mapper

[sacred zodiac]

thank you for your service

i will mourn your death in a random t14

[normal marsh]

@wide pebble

[frigid lava]

Is there a good reason why the maintenance is 8 hours?

[boreal quartz]

cuz they gotta fix stuff

[spark mango]

arms is suddenly has too many buttons for me to press in dungeons

[boreal quartz]

and its alr less keybinds than in s4

[rare kite]

don't worry. in tww you'll get another one!

[spark mango]

i mean in dungeons i need to press slam even with battlelord

there is also sks

and you cant use cleave as filler since it barely gives tactican and uses overpower stacks

i just dont enjoy it is all

[frigid lava]

slam isn't as weak as it used to be

[spark mango]

yeah yeah, the whole set up feels bloaty

i have slam on alt+2 now and it feels horrible to spam

[austere river]

i think the fact that thunderous roar is 45sec now makes cd lineups feel awkward, even that is enough

[boreal quartz]

you need a diff keybind for sure

mine has always been on 2 thankfully

[spark mango]

mine used to be on 3, but in m+ i threw it away for cleave

now i'm all out of binds

[boreal quartz]

cleave is on ww keybind

[frigid lava]

use thumb

[spark mango]

my WW was on F1 same as my divine storm, but chaining F1 into 1 which is my overpower didnt work

[boreal quartz]

f1 sounds like an sks bind to me

[spark mango]

i'm putting demolish on legendary bind

[spark mango]

you might be onto something with this

then i can put slam on T

[boreal quartz]

shift 4

[spark mango]

f2 for me

but wth is up with all these buttons seriously , and it doesnt feel rewarding to press

[boreal quartz]

i dont use F keys so i end up having weirder shift ones

[boreal quartz]

yeaaa its not great rn

[spark mango]

all my shift and alt binds are also taken

[frigid lava]

ctrl

[spark mango]

when you commit to M+ its a whole other ball game than raid when it comes to binds

taunt, meld, etc

[frigid lava]

how many extra buttons on your mouse

[spark mango]

gateway shard, diffrent pots,

2 that i can press with my thumb

but srsly who comes up with these stupid class changes, even if the damage looks fine, this tacitican shit is just plain annoying

[scenic umbra]

Arms aura buff

[frigid lava]

oh?

https://www.wowhead.com/news/war-within-launch-patch-11-0-2-patch-notes-345734?

Is this going to be live today?

Mortal Strike damage decreased by 15%.
Overpower damage decreased by 20%.
Storm Wall now heals for 5% of maximum health (was 8%).

holy crap

[eager copper]

Are the maxroll guides solid or should I go with wowhead/icyveins?

for both M+ & Raiding

[frigid lava]

I refer wowhead usually

reference*

[rare kite]

ye today for NA, tomorrow for EU

[frigid lava]

[eternal vortex]

This is today after the patch

[frigid lava]

Sad shit

[dusty summit]

I’d say go wowhead

[frigid lava]

Looks like prot is getting huge dmg buff

guess I'm playing prot this week