arms

[rare kite]

tale as old as time, mages cannot play the game. never invite a mage in m+

[boreal quartz]

Until they can and then its disgusting

[devout pewter]

As someone that always played a mage as a second class beside warrior, I can somewhat confirm. Inviting a mage is a gamble

[rare kite]

ye tru, but it's like less than 5% of them can

[devout pewter]

because most people see how well people perform with mage in streams or whatever and want to replicate, but dont spend the time to learn how 😄

[storm prism]

I'll come on my mage and carry a key

100% confident in that

Also would like to bring up that warriors are certified key brickers. Will come into a key and pump sure. But I almost never see them use stops and the amount of times I see them use a defensive AFTER taking damage is hilarious.

Fire mage has been consistently one of the worst DPS number wise the entire xpac. They get invited for cheat death, utility, lust, and externals.

[teal fossil]

[frigid lava]

I pride myself in "least heal taken" after runs

[boreal quartz]

@quasi torrent

[teal fossil]

phil

you never responded to my @ in the other discord

do u hate me

[vast creek]

Would be interesting if Blizzard removed all externals and utilities from everyone and made a 2ndary talent tree where you could pick. Would allow them to balance DPS out across the board if everyone could do the raid support stuff. I dunno - just seems sad to see a class marginalized.

[storm prism]

The problem with that is it removes all class identity from everyone.

[vast creek]

Totally agree

[boreal quartz]

when did u ping

prolly didnt see

[teal fossil]

also i got baited into levelling in mop

[storm prism]

I shoot for least damage taken. I main mage (obviously) and it is impossible to die if you know how to cycle defensives properly.

[teal fossil]

levelling through echos is so fast

[pliant hedge]

What is this echos you speak of?

[nova marsh]

Fuck echos I have other shit to play

[latent hull]

Mages get invited cuz theyre in meta comps but theyre in that comp cuz they work well with spriest and aug and have utility like groupwide shield

[nova marsh]

Event looks so mid

[teal fossil]

radiant echos

[teal fossil]

its not alot playing

you just walk and hit a mob

each mob is like 1/6th of a level

you can get a level in like 15 minute

[silk spade]

don't think that's faster than mop

[teal fossil]

mop is fast if you have previous mop chars

i dont

no one is doing raids anymore

so you just have to hope you get a twink in dungs

[quasi torrent]

?

[boreal quartz]

what is your opinion on "Fire mage has been consistently one of the worst DPS number wise the entire xpac. They get invited for cheat death, utility, lust, and externals."

[quasi torrent]

if i type my opinion about people with such a bad take

i would get banned from skyhold

👍

[teal fossil]

that guys speaking form personal experience

[quasi torrent]

yeah i mean

fire is bad in +4s

[hazy flower]

[boreal quartz]

helo friends

[storm prism]

You're ignorant lol. They're single target bots with spread cleave from ignite. Just look at past sims and data. It literally shows us as middle of the pack damage at best.

If you're getting gapped by a fire mage in M+ that is very telling of your skill level.

[boreal quartz]

not everything is about overall dps

they have an obscene damage profile

which is why they were in the m+ meta for s2/3

[hazy flower]

They destroy prio target

[storm prism]

Obscene? They're just good for prio

[hazy flower]

And u can chain faster

N just kill high hp mob

U can feel the difference godcomp vs other comps in keys by the way pulls die

U kill prio target u go further

Thats why theyre good

[storm prism]

I'm aware I literally main a fire mage. But acting like we're specifically invited for damage while we can handle literally anything you throw at us mechanically while also buffing the group is wild

The Spriest is the guy you invite specific for damage

[sacred zodiac]

hello Philwar

[boreal quartz]

thank you spongieW

[gaunt owl]

wtf is even that

we got some PHD lvl of gamer in here ?

going outside is really good for me

i'm missing all those masterful take

[hazy flower]

[reef glade]

mage merchant in here 😭

[waxen elbow]

xDD

[teal fossil]

anyone know where to buy the radiant echos mount

[thick kelp]

goat guy in dalaran

nxt to portals

[teal fossil]

I see the person who sells bags

[ember glen]

anybody know what ilvl timerunners will be when there free?

[teal fossil]

Is it someone diff

[reef glade]

should be that same guy

isnt it just a gryphon

and presumably wyvern for horde

[ornate tendon]

Hit 476 on mop remix, is there any point in trying to maximize the talent tree, or will the prepatch raid build be near-optimal?

[boreal quartz]

no point

[ornate tendon]

good to know thanks

[teal fossil]

bought the mount and dont see it in my collection nor inventory

[gaunt owl]

[pallid gorge]

I’m coming back to wow after 2 years and I always mained arms. Am I wrong to feel like something isn’t right about the spec rn? I have too much rage and I feel like I have too many GCDs coming up at once and it feels not smooth. Am I wrong for feeling like this?

[graceful axle]

nope. press the overpower then you press the mortal strike.

[teal fossil]

if you last played in shadowlands then you should have more rage than back then

but this has been the case throughout dragonflight

[pallid gorge]

I did see at the beginning of DF how ppl were using ignore pain for anger management and I always thought that was kinda interesting because it made you make quick decisions based off rage. Would be cool to see a heroic strike mechanic in TWW for the rage. I also was looking at demolish today and I find it super odd as well. I’m worried about standing in swirls or adds simply walking off. Not sure how I feel about arms or coming back from this stuff

[latent moss]

issue with ip is that it wasnt quick decisions

you just kinda pressed it on cd / with cs

for tom/am value

[teal fossil]

it was pressed essentially on CD

[teal fossil]

thats a byproduct of having infinite rage

[frigid lava]

Any good single target talent example?

[fathom shoal]

check wowhead

[weak wave]

5% really are better than Warlord's or Blademaster's Tornment?

[weak wave]

Also I'm wondering if with the ragestarving issue during Execute phase it's a good idea of dropping Blunt Instruments completely for Finishing Blows

CS doesn't do any significant damage and only 3 sec of 30% extra dmg.. not sure about this.

[wraith cave]

any decent arms builds ? i just logged back ina fter ages and shits all reset lol

[teal fossil]

100% 5% is better than the torments

3 seconds of 30% extra damage is a lot

And it’s also 3 seconds of 20% haste

The ragestarving issue in execute phase is fine with ravager

[quasi torrent]

meow

[smoky kayak]

it's not really rage starved anymore, at least with 2x Critical and Skyfury; Slayer especially has an abundance with all the extra SD & Bladestorm time

That said, Blunt is really good now that it benefits IFTK as well, so the better drop would be 1 point from Bloodborne

[teal fossil]

Yeah 1 point bb is reasonable drop

But isn’t the main context of trying to fit finishing blows a m+ context?

Because finishing blow doesn’t seem too hard to get on at

St

So dropping bb has a high cost in aoe setting

[smoky kayak]

oh well if we're talking about M+ that changes the context

in that case, better off to drop that final point in EB/Battlelord/Bonegrinder

something like this will get you a best of both worlds approach

[teal fossil]

The biggest opportunity cost to finishing blows on st is sks right

[smoky kayak]

that's where you'd more likely drop Bloodborne or perhaps Sharpened Blades from the 1 Deft build

I'm supposing here, because I think it's very likely we see new major tuning affecting some of these choices in the coming week(s)

[latent moss]

finishing blows loses hard to sks

that's the problem

everything kinda loses to sks

blord loses to sks

fatality might be the play

once they buff it (if they buff it)

[gaunt owl]

(no)

[latent moss]

good

keep it dead

[boreal quartz]

surely flip stats to TOM again

[gaunt owl]

Your wish was granted

TOM is 5% per 10 rage

[weak wave]

Hm alright. But is there any chance Warlord's/Blademaster's will get buffed? Feels bad choosing a boring 5/10% talent over a 'last row' talent.

[smoky kayak]

we can only hope

[latent moss]

its really hard to make them work in m+

blademaster is better on aoe than uproar but infinitely worse on st

and its impossible to drop a point to take a torment

cause u have to drop attt XDDD

1 point is like 4-5% dps

[wraith cave]

went with this

im not even running anything so i doubt it mattes atm haha

[boreal quartz]

what is this trying to do

[steep delta]

im losing my mind and this tooltip aint doing shit please someone help me- does stacking deaths dance increase the damage by 5% per stack or the duration or both?

[wraith cave]

DID they buff arms? im doing a shit load more dps on dummies thani was a few months ago

[boreal quartz]

i believe its the amount of seconds extended

[boreal quartz]

prepatch did buff arms a lot yes

[wraith cave]

yeah thats a lot more damage now nice

[steep delta]

nah its not seconds, its always exactly 2 seconds after bladestorm ends

but then its also exactly 5% bonus damage on 1 stack vs 3

so it seems like the stacking does NOTHING for bladestorm. one stack is the same as 3. but that seems wrong

[boreal quartz]

@smoky kayak any insight on this?

[smoky kayak]

With bladestorm, just the damage stacks

So you get 5/10/15% increased damage for the remainder of BS and 2 seconds after - it’s very mid

[south merlin]

@smoky kayak

I have a question please

[smoky kayak]

The Ravager version is much better, adding 2s of Ravager (1 tick) per kill, for a total of 6s/3 ticks/21 rage/1 extra Unhinged MS - it’s maybe not perfectly suited for M+ but has some real interesting funneling potential in raids

[south merlin]

I look into Wow head suggested trinkets for raid, and compare logs everyone has different trinkets than my SIM. What do u suggest going with SIM or WOWhead? and what are the best trinkets for raid in your point of view for both short and long fights?

[smoky kayak]

Always sim your stuff

[south merlin]

Even if sim in prepatch is not very accurate?

[smoky kayak]

It’s accurate for Warriors

Not every class was updated, but war has been

[south merlin]

ok thank u, one more questions I watch videos and see recommendations people plays the GCD different as well

What do u suggest?

sequence

[smoky kayak]

You mean the rotation? A bit much to type out from my phone, but check the WH/IV guides and they should point you in the right direction

[south merlin]

Ok thank u

[steady bluff]

Yo did we just loose whirlwind??

I can't use it after fiddling with talents anymore

[boreal quartz]

Cleave replaces it

And otherwise it's turbo omega unusuable

[steady bluff]

ahh

thanx bro

i used it sometimes as rage dump if all else is cd

[boreal quartz]

U used it a lot at 60 rage but that's gone now

Back to 20

[steady bluff]

tell me man

do you slam??

[boreal quartz]

Yes

Rend>Ms>op>slam

As a prio with no cds

[steady bluff]

nice

why rend tho if we have thunderstrike?

[boreal quartz]

you dont tc on st

[weak wave]

For the few thousand extra dmg in Initial hit

[boreal quartz]

rend is better

[quasi torrent]

not pressing rend buddy

[steady bluff]

does anybody feel like executioners precision talent is overrated? i guess it sinergyses with sudden death but honestly i dont like them both

[latent moss]

if anything ep is underrated

70% on ur hardest hitter is crazy

[steady bluff]

so whats the optimal execute rotation? exe-exe-ms with overpowers inbeetwen?

[latent moss]

yes

always has been always will be with this design

[sacred zodiac]

you will rend little man

[latent moss]

you WILL rend

[quasi torrent]

if im specced TC

i will TC

i do not care about 12 dps

actually

i will just not play arms

this spec is somehow worse than DF

[sacred zodiac]

noob

[boreal quartz]

i watched tmy press tc in st

i am appalled

[quasi torrent]

noo i lose 3/8 of one slams dmg per TC over Rend

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

UNPLAYABLE

[boreal quartz]

yes

i do like having tc for fyrakk n shit tho

[quasi torrent]

0% you will catch me putting another bind on my bars for that shit

[boreal quartz]

lts u pretend its pad dam (fury just deleted adds in 1,5 globals)

[pure root]

I don't want to bind rend, TC in st it is

[latent moss]

gonna be 0.5 globals in tww

[lethal acorn]

I don't take TC in ST

I put rend where TC was and Skullsplitter where cleave was

[boreal quartz]

you want tc on fyrakk for example

[lethal acorn]

Just to put rend on little adds?

I'm sure there's niche fights where you want some aoe/hybrid stuff

[boreal quartz]

yes

padding good

[zenith hamlet]

are arms good in m+ compared to fury or is fury just alot better?

[boreal quartz]

both good

[zenith hamlet]

ok cool ^^

[frigid lava]

I haven't got outdps'd since patch... (up to +14s)

[quasi torrent]

(up to +14s)

[frigid lava]

yea... so no high M+\

Still it's around top 1%

I'm not pushing 3500+ but it feels like I'm performing a lot better than other classes that used to be ahead of me.

[untold trench]

Well, ppl are smart - unlike you

if you are top DPS now, you are playing the game wrong

[boreal quartz]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yNQndg4vkLTK9cFW#fight=8&type=damage-done

Nerf fury buff arms

[untold trench]

[latent moss]

flat damage curve

i cant even tell when u press cds

[boreal quartz]

I want arms aoe to be different

I dont want cleave bro

[untold trench]

inverse it, and it should be what arms should look like

[boreal quartz]

LOL

[clever crag]

Well fury burst rn is nutty

Arms cant compare to all big cds stacked with RA

In aoe

[boreal quartz]

arm just does more while fury is out of gas

so it evens out

[hollow pulsar]

!talents

[silent flame]

yea arms seems like more of a single target spec
tbh ive never tried arms aoe in dungeons or anything though, just while leveling (which ofc doesnt represent an aoe scenario)
ive looked at the ST rotation tho and it looks fun

and sweeping strikes sorta seems like off brand blade flurry

[cobalt zephyr]

Am I nuts? My execute on arms has a CD....

Since when?

[cobalt zephyr]

OMG

I can't believe I skipped that

Ok I am big dumb

[fresh spire]

[boreal quartz]

SS is a lot more involved

you can sweep dreadnaughts/apply rend with ms through bloodletting/spread cs

etc etc

bfury is just do damage xd

[dusky coral]

is executioner's precision working? Im not seeing any buff/stacks from it like usual

[quasi torrent]

on prepatch it works just fine

[boreal quartz]

look at ur wa

thats most likely the culprit

[halcyon breach]

EP works fine in the prepatch

[quasi torrent]

proof?

[halcyon breach]

My log says so, so I will believe that

[quasi torrent]

arms log, im sorry

[halcyon breach]

Anything logs say is gospel

Wcyd, Arms just does more dam dam than Fury

[dusky coral]

What's the buff called? I can't see anything in WA or buff bar, and i dont seem to get any extra MS damage

[quasi torrent]

it's a debudd

on the target

called surprisingly Executioners Precision

[halcyon breach]

Missing the apostrophe Anda!!

[dusky coral]

ah

[reef glade]

die and accumulator a

[quasi torrent]

i know i was just too lazy

[dusky coral]

it could be, perhaps, that i am in fact, fucking stupid

[halcyon breach]

Happens to anyone

[quasi torrent]

happens

would be a lot nicer if it was a buff

[halcyon breach]

Arguably it should prob be a buff

But shrug

[dusky coral]

i genuinely thought i remembered it being one, but wishful thinking maybe

[reef glade]

Remember when combo points used to be on the target instead of on the player

crazy

Die feral/rogue

[halcyon breach]

I wasn't born back then

[quasi torrent]

That was differently dogshit

[quasi torrent]

yes u were

[boreal quartz]

they still are for uhdk

[reef glade]

Bro called sores combo points

u can like aoe stack them on any targets in like 2 seconds no

[latent moss]

my balls are sore

[reef glade]

pause

[teal fossil]

sores are combo points

[boreal quartz]

yes maybe

but wounds are classic combo points

[teal fossil]

I got like 5 combo points on me rn

Irl

[reef glade]

[boreal quartz]

12.0 ARMS REWORK — Today at 21:48
my balls are sore

[gaunt owl]

12.0 ARMS REWORK — Today at 21:48
my balls are sore

[heavy heron]

12.0 ARMS REWORK — Today at 21:48
my balls are sore

[daring heron]

12.0 ARMS REWORK — Today at 21:48
my balls are sore

[weak wave]

Did some sim-testing for a hybrid build and that's the best ST dmg I got:

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dAuXe6oCY8qELt9FZqhZnw

Pure ST sim is only 11k higher.

[boreal quartz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jmoap1BwxgPSaTSXsDWwbU 43k for me

[latent moss]

u cant even apply deep wounds to everyone

i would drop ct and jugg for fob collat and cleave

sure its a st loss but the aoe gain is monstrous

[boreal quartz]

i mean the semipad

you can play

is use tc/dn/ drop 1 BB for cleave

max IMO

[latent moss]

idk i havent done any prepatch sims cause prepatch

[reef glade]

12.0 ARMS REWORK — Today at 21:48
my balls are sore

[weak wave]

Nice but thats not a hybrid build. Thats pure ST aswell.

[dry frost]

12.0 ARMS REWORK — Today at 21:48
my balls are sore

[weak wave]

What's this about?

[hazy flower]

His balls are sore

[latent moss]

i believe i made it pretty clear

[stark cape]

Since when did we become so good, and also when did Puzzle Box become giga bis?

:S

[devout pewter]

pre patch

[quasi torrent]

puzzle duzzle

[teal fossil]

Puzzle box became bis when it became current ilevel

[steep delta]

anyone know the single target damage difference between dreadnaught and strength of arms?

[smoky kayak]

like sub-1%? it's pretty small

[steep delta]

i thought so! thanks

[midnight mural]

Anyone know if i craft a 1H+Shield at 515 - will i get crest discount on my 2H up untill 515?

[reef glade]

cant imagine so

but maybeh

ik it works like going down im psure

2h > 1h/shield

[midnight mural]

:[

[boreal quartz]

@midnight mural trying to gear the other kongskandik?

[silk spade]

dik

[midnight mural]

Number 4 dik actually

just so much easier to grind m+ when u tank

[silk spade]

Kongscaandik's mog owns

[boreal quartz]

I have 6 but all but 2 are on remix rip

[boreal quartz]

Remind me of turtle

[midnight mural]

sheesh

[boreal quartz]

Remix is like 2h per char

Omega fast

And i can buy a wb mount per char i do

So now i have all exclusive mounts + sha and nalak

All exclusive mog sets too

[strange perch]

How you do it?

[slow saddle]

jesus i thought it was WAY bigger in single target ?

if not then dreadnaught is always the play ?

[thick kelp]

If multiple enemies then yes

But if they are irrelevant adds and you need boss damage you can/should go SoA to stay ethical

[slow saddle]

well if dreadnaught does only 1% less dmg

in st

than soa

[thick kelp]

1% is 1%

[slow saddle]

nah man

ethical cleave

[thick kelp]

Just drop 1 deft for cleave

for very ethical cleave

[ornate eagle]

Or switch on a fight-by-fight basis

And also switch for trash

Now THAT'S the ultimate ethics

[thick kelp]

Always got that full pad aoe all must die spec ready for thrash

[slow saddle]

im playing the revvez shown spec from the guide

ill try it once at least

[thick kelp]

What guide

[slow saddle]

https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/arms-warrior-mythic-plus-guide#talents-header

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/water-cat-cat-cat-bath-gif-8375496536506751533

[slow saddle]

seems weird but ill try everything once 😄

[thick kelp]

Both are legit builds so idk what seems weird

WB build is the no prio no st build Blunt is the ethical tyra build

[smoky kayak]

keep in mind these are raid builds, not M+ ones though

the "MT" one, idk if I like dropping deft entirely, but yeah it's just ST with one talent swap

[thick kelp]

The link atleast directs me to the m+ guide part

[smoky kayak]

oh huh, how did I get to the raid one

well those are basically the same builds we have in our guides, so yeah I don't see anything odd about them

trades 1 deft for 1 crit thinking in "AoE" but that's hardly a major difference; just seems like preference

[slow saddle]

i mean WB seems like a lost talent.. the 13seconds of uptime of haste in aoe is always good

but ye its kinda sad that this build is going away ?

i actually very much enjoy prepatch arms. coz theres no extra little ablility to fuck everything up, or having to cast bladestorm 😄

[silk spade]

lmfao so true

i feel the same way

[slow saddle]

so they got warrior right imho

they got hero talents wrong

slayer i mean is awesome for what it is

having a bladestorm focused with execute is awesome sause

sauce

but the whole having to fyralath every 30 seconds can go die

[silk spade]

wish it was just 30 seconds

and not weird random desyncing cd

[slow saddle]

but ofc 😄 it has to be desyncing of everything

i mean it doesnt magicly have to align or anything, but when cdr feels BAD its time to fix it

also warlords torment fix soon for arms ?:D

give us back reck on every CS

its not that hard with 25% rage regen, it aint even that insane

[boreal quartz]

Level to 25 dont loot anything but xp% threads, do the raid on normal, level to 35, do raid, open Mail be 70

[silk spade]

do you only need heart of fear now?

[boreal quartz]

Ye

[silk spade]

poggies

[strange perch]

So 1 mogu and 1 hof and you done?

[boreal quartz]

Yea

But u wanna do hc dungs so ur prot warr jail

[strange perch]

So i farm hc to 25 and then 35 and just do the raid in there to get the xp buff

[obtuse copper]

Rework juggernaut when? @boreal quartz

[slow saddle]

i mean imagine juggernaut same effect but only 5 stacks

would help so much !

[silk spade]

didn't even need hof

[boreal quartz]

LOL

Insane

[boreal quartz]

Rework when sadeg

[silk spade]

i looked at my addon when i hit 35 and the xp calculation for xp tokens said -7

[boreal quartz]

Whack

@obtuse copper ur coming back for wawi right

[silk spade]

so i did like 2 extra dungeons i didnt need

[boreal quartz]

[obtuse copper]

Idk if just me but looks like Arms is mostly the same as it was in DF

I come back when actual rework

(Never)

[daring heron]

xd

[crimson nimbus]

does aoe not use bladestorm anymore?

[slow saddle]

Ravager is just so nice

[nova marsh]

You can

And don't worry you'll use bs in tww

[rare kite]

Raid looks good tho Uheldigt

[obtuse copper]

Yeah but I have to do M+ in order to raid 😔

[rare kite]

Ye...

[obtuse copper]

I like how they intentionally made it hard/impossible for DPS warr to get Shockwave in basically every M+ xpac and now that they finally make it accessible they also giganerf the value of AoE stops

Insanely based move, they were memeing on us all along

[boreal quartz]

Shockwave the true aoe filler

[spare goblet]

So arms single target feels reeeeeally weird without battlelord. Every talent build I see does not use it. Is it truly not something you can take at a high level of content?

I feel like I'm spending alot of time hitting slam

[latent moss]

blord is weak unfortunately

[rancid willow]

Haven't really played my War since the pre-patch launched....Arms sadly pretty low on a lot of the youtuber tier lists...this blown out of proportion??? or is it really looking C tier?

[rare kite]

tier lists

[rancid willow]

It was a serious question that didn't require a smart ass reply.

Is the spec looking shit or are things being blown out of proportion?

[outer holly]

Dude for a day straight tww arms posted funeral gifs

[dire hinge]

we're not the best, we're not the worst. The perspective of "being shit" is a bit much, but we exist and do okay damage in most content.

[rancid willow]

Appreciate the reply ❤️

[silk spade]

do not look at tier lists

[rancid willow]

Trying to decide if I'll main Ret or Arms...one of those decisions that I over-analyze every single expansion.

[dire hinge]

gameplay wise, execute rotation feels wonky because of the rage generation issues we have, but it just takes some getting used to

[rancid willow]

Assuming they didn't want us bursting up the meters during execute phase?

[dire hinge]

honestly pick whichever one you like more, if you're worried about performance, then focus on learning any spec deeper, even a crap spec is better than most players if you know how to use it

[silk spade]

^

[rancid willow]

figured. I'm not trying to do CE or anything crazy

[silk spade]

play whatever you have most fun with then

do not play a spec that is ''better'' just because a clueless youtuber put in in B tier instead of C tier

[dire hinge]

Totally! Flavor, transmog, playstyle, etc, just have fun

C's get degrees, as they say

[rancid willow]

sounds good 🙂

[rare kite]

good news then, no spec in tww is so horribly bad that it's troll to play. no bfa sub rogue like specs

[wind shadow]

Personally I like some of the changers now if they could fix execute and ST slam spamming when you have nada id be a happy camper

maybe hero talents will fill that gap pre patch presented us

[bronze tiger]

hard to have fun when you pug and no one picks you rofl

[wind shadow]

theyd have to add some stupid utility for us to be picked in high keys pug wise of which they are clearly adverse to

alot of classes dont get picked

[bronze tiger]

plus most people think being the highest damage is most fun

[gaunt owl]

it warps their perception

some people only care about numbers anyway

[bronze tiger]

this game has shaped itself to only care about numbers, and less about fun

[gaunt owl]

clearly having to send 3x Slam when you dont get the tactician RNG is annoying

[wind shadow]

idk about anything past +12 but we have some crazy good m+ numbers when shit dies fast,

[bronze tiger]

hard to tell since tuning still needs to happen

[wind shadow]

execpt ST I found to be a bit lacking compared to others but thats the nature of our spec currently

ill reserve judgment till I actually test hero talents as far as feel goes, im a AOTC gamer and maybe 3k if I have a team player to warrior works just fine affix changes should help alot to

[gaunt owl]

because you probably didnt took the right build for that

[dire hinge]

I wish not being picked was just because we are mid damage and a class with minimal utility (at the time)

Life would probably be a lot easier

[gaunt owl]

its 99% the meta brainrot fault

people are stuck on the tierlist and such

[silk spade]

play a class 5% better and perform 30% worse

batchest

[dire hinge]

and just raw number of DPS applicants to keys

If a single applicant has even 5io on you, and they bring the same thing to the table as you (ie: no lust, no Brez, etc.) there’s no reason they’d choose you

It’s just a numbers game

[untold trench]

33% is your rio, 33% is their comp, 33% is your name

[pale jungle]

you're forgetting apply message quality. "Ok but hear me out" has done well for me

[untold trench]

I get a whisper, I dont invite

[dire hinge]

Application messages have got me into a surprising number of groups

“Hear me out” is verbatim what I toss on groups where I see there is already two other warrior dps in there

[bronze tiger]

then what do you tell them once you get invited

[wind shadow]

I mean people were log checking in SOD of all places lol

[slow saddle]

c is good no ?

also fury is b or a so if we as warrior got 1 good spec its gucci

[olive nest]

I have 100% invited a name before

Hawktuah mage

10/10 would do it again

[untold trench]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-spit-gif-26415294

[wind shadow]

Fury yuck

lol

I just never liked the whole WW style of stack amanagement

[slow saddle]

well

u can play thane then ? 😄

no wws

[olive nest]

Thane

[livid cloak]

Tier lists are nothing more than click bait and shouldn't be considered with any seriousness

[slow saddle]

yeah, and also C isnt bad

coz most of the time its just lack of utility

[crimson nimbus]

on prepatch arms warrior is absolutely pumping

[gaunt owl]

pumping before means you gonna get less after

we do have a tier set thats fucking bonkers too

and they added an aura buff on top

[slow saddle]

plz let us bring the same tier into TWW plz

[gaunt owl]

next tier set is kinda shit

we probably gonna be low prio on the loot table in the end

[sharp flame]

2p/2p new meta lets gooo

[spark mango]

guys

does getting haste after ravager makes it faster? or only before?

[reef glade]

If haste does affect rav it wouldn’t matter when u get it I think it should all apply whatever stats to all abilities as you get them

I.e no snapshotting cuz snapshotting dumb

[spark mango]

my concern was more in terms of CS

[gaunt owl]

actually Ravager is a fixed duration that work like Bladestorm

it take the haste you had at the start of the cast

thats why we send Ravager before CS

[spark mango]

because during execute phase when i use ravager before CS i can fit more exeutes in it

[gaunt owl]

to send in more ability during it

[gaunt owl]

its not really snapshotting but it do be like that

[split rock]

quick question, just picked arms up, do we actually use rend in the main rotation or apply deep wounds through thunder clap instead?

[slow saddle]

m+ ?

raid ?

in ST we dont have thunder clap so we rend

but in gen just clap its fine

[split rock]

oh you are right, we dont spec thunder clap on ST

Thanks

[wooden tide]

if you reappy rend after SKS does that cancel it out?

reapply*

[olive nest]

No

[uncut pasture]

it applies its own debuff that increases the bleed speed, so reapplying doesn't do anything

[wooden tide]

nice ty

[crimson plume]

In execute phase is it still best to try to only use Execute at 40+ rage?

[nimble yoke]

holy fuck our ST feels absurdly strong

[uncut pasture]

no, you still OP > Exe while you're under 60 rage, but you still send Exe under that if you have no op charges
Execute's dmg scales linearly with rage spent and sending Exe with any rage still stacks EP the same

[crimson plume]

@uncut pasture Thank you!

[terse osprey]

Arms is hella fun 😄

Also pretty easy

[sage badge]

Arms owns

[lost forum]

Question....BS or Rav?

[dire hinge]

Ravager usually, but feel free to try both (it's free!)

[lost forum]

Other than being able to target a specific mob/group, why would Rav be better?

[lethal acorn]

It lets you press buttons while it's going

[lost forum]

Ahh, ok, ty

[dire hinge]

^ Exactly, and while it seems odd in M+ context, it does allow us to upkeep a tremendous amount of single target on Bosses as well

it's a surprisingly small AoE loss for a pretty significant Single Target gain

[quartz cedar]

is it a AOE loss when you can spam your AOE abilities while its going?

[dire hinge]

slightly yes, but it's negligible

AoE isn't much of an issue

[thorn sentinel]

what spec for warrior do look the best for dps for leveling up and gearing in duegeon until season 1 in tww ?

[smoky kayak]

whatever you want really, but Colossus power is a little more frontloaded than Slayer

[teal island]

if no leggo /sad whtats BIS bullion weapon to get?

[dire hinge]

the Nelth Weapon is fine (Ashkandur)

[vague sedge]

I'm having a hard time understanding the Arms AoE priority list when Sweeping Strikes is up. From the post, it looks like the only thing that changes is putting more emphasis on overpower?

[dire hinge]

In a nutshell yeah, and replacing your MS with Cleave

[vague sedge]

You still cleave even with Sweeping Strikes up on 3 targets?

[dire hinge]

yes, because of an indirect interaction

your talent "Fervor of Battle" causes a free Slam to go out if you hit 2+ target with Cleave.
If Sweeping Strikes is active while you press Cleave, that Slam hits a 2nd target
Since Slam hit a second target, it contributes towards your "Collateral Damage" talent

[vague sedge]

I see that makes sense thank you

[dire hinge]

of course! It's pretty slick

[safe idol]

what do i have to track on arms? making my weak auras

[frigid lava]

I have tier set effect aura and.... sweeping strike... and...

ah.. rend aura

that's about it... maybe rage aura

[safe idol]

rage aura?

like you mean to track your rage?

[frigid lava]

yea

[safe idol]

bet bet

ty :-)

yeah i asked cause it only seemed like two things haha

[fickle lotus]

I was so hyped for Colossus and TWW and as i looked Critcakes last Video... all i see is hate.
I hope it feels better for myself at Launch. How is your Boys Opinion so far, playstyle-wise ?!

[safe idol]

i like colossus

i hate that it doesnt line up with warbreaker though

that killed it for me

a lot

[thick kelp]

Swing timer

[fickle lotus]

I hope, they adjust this with Hotfixes until Launch. Its clearly bad designed.

[boreal quartz]

Hey not wrong

Very weird choices right now

But i dont think a full-ish rework will happen until 11.0.5 or so

[slow saddle]

Easy fixable though

[boreal quartz]

Tell me how

[slow saddle]

Demo on am

Warlords tormemt gives reck on cs again with no rage or 25% rsge gain

[boreal quartz]

Doesnt that make it even worse with rage outside of exe

[slow saddle]

As i said no rage gain then

Cut juggernaut, or make it stack way faster

[boreal quartz]

20% crit after cs doesnt sound like it fixes anything

Enlighten me how low stack jugg and slayer sudden death work

[slow saddle]

Make be able to move with demo

[boreal quartz]

You are supposed to have max stacks before exe

[slow saddle]

Jugger stacks 3 or 5

[boreal quartz]

So you can sudden death chain max stacks

[slow saddle]

Yes? And that shows the whole issue. Juggernaut should prob.just die

But small steps

[boreal quartz]

And replace it with what

It's hard to just delete

I also want it but it's such a big change for a almost ready game

[slow saddle]

Got me there. Tbh any crap talent we wont use just to free up talent🤣

What about passive execute dmg

[boreal quartz]

Just tune the spell up?

[slow saddle]

Ye, the dmg we would loose with jugger i guess

[boreal quartz]

If i could just delete shit i think am, jugg, and fatality would all go away

But you need good and fun replacements

Id also re-combine soa

[slow saddle]

This

[boreal quartz]

But then you end up with things like reaping

Or improved slam

[slow saddle]

Haha true🤣

If they just make demo movable speed cone attack

And am on demo

Id be satisfied tbh

Rest is a dream

[boreal quartz]

I like am significantly less in wawi

Just give me my 45s again sadge

Roar sks cs static demo in 60 but cdr to 45 and then ava rava 1,5

[paper summit]

wtf, we dont use test of might anymore for raid bosses?

[brittle fiber]

checked out the arms warrior guides for stat prio between wowhead and maxroll. How come they're so different? I've noted people here have said crit prio has worked out for them and it's reflected in wowhead while maxroll and revvez say haste=verse

I know the ultimate answer is "sim it" but yea bit confused on what guide i s hould refer to for next xpac

[boreal quartz]

Nop

[boreal quartz]

Stats dont rlly matter rn as you just aquire all of everything

[brittle fiber]

Yea rn no but i guess in the future it’s going to be a discussion point dont you think?

[frigid lava]

Damn man... 1M cleave feels so good

[brittle fiber]

I think im more comfortable following arch guides but cant deny the formatting of maxroll is so much nicer

[boreal quartz]

Idk i have my sims im happy with that

[silk spade]

in the future yeah

sims are kinda sus right now

and balance can still happen

[queen ibex]

Is there arms cata warrior guide doc some where

[brittle fiber]

yea in fart club

[queen ibex]

Fart club?

[thick kelp]

Fight Club, discord server dedicate to all things wow classic warrior

https://discord.gg/RbCZJtw

[unique aspen]

Since icy veins and wowhead have different builds…which one do you use

[opal wind]

Try Maxroll, they've just opened wow branch with players from Echo.

https://maxroll.gg/wow/tierlists

[livid cloak]

Tier lists

[robust raven]

i just noticed slam and cleave got their animation changed (playing on live, as a human) however cleave sometimes still does the older one (which i prefer). Anyone knows how it works? Doesn't seem to be affected by either Sweeping Strikes or Op stacks

[ivory quartz]

whichever one has sharpened blades in ST

[zenith hamlet]

how come most play fury of top warriors? is it alot stronger then arms in keys?

[storm prism]

It has more survivability, does the same if not more damage, and doesn't lose much single target in their AoE build.

[zenith hamlet]

ah can see why then 🙂

is that gonna be the same in next expansion =)?

[storm prism]

It's too early to be sure

[zenith hamlet]

yea true 🙂

[storm prism]

If you're trying to choose one to play I'd just say pick whichever you like more. Good player on off meta spec > bad player on a meta spec.

[zenith hamlet]

yea. well am quite new to warrior and trying to gear mine up to main in next expansion. 🙂

[rare kite]

survivability it's gonna be alot tankier than arms. tuning is still happening damage wise so we got no clue there

[zenith hamlet]

yea true. i do like being tanky 😛

[storm prism]

I'd say learn both specs. Once you've got a good understanding of both you can make a more informed decision as to what you'd like main. This is generally a good idea for every time you start a new class.

[zenith hamlet]

yea good thinking 🙂

[robust raven]

imo there is not much difference between the performance of the two, especially considering that neither of them will (ever) be meta, so just pick whichever you like more

[storm prism]

Saying they won't EVER be meta is the most doomer thing ever

[boreal quartz]

There's usually large gaps in raid

[robust raven]

oh yeah raid can vary, i only ever consider m+

[boreal quartz]

Cuz of the weird balance

Even then

They are never equal

[robust raven]

i mean is it wrong

[blazing depot]

With no clear utility, to be meta we'd need 2x the dmg and its not happening, so not wrong

[rare kite]

would not need 2x the damage, just need to do the most damage. then we're meta, damage most important part in m+

[storm prism]

That is frighteningly untrue

[rare kite]

No it's not

[robust raven]

it is

at the very top utility matters more

[boreal quartz]

@quasi torrent

[storm prism]

If you think it's all about DPS I never want to be in a key with you lmfao

[rare kite]

who said it's all about dps, i said it's the most important thing

not all about

[quasi torrent]

?

[storm prism]

Staying alive is the most important thing. So I'd say aoe stops and externals are way more important.

That's why warrior isn't meta. They have one baseline stop with Shockwave and two externals with Rally amd intercept. Give them intimidating shout baseline on top of them getting an AoE stun with hero talents already and I see them running stupid high keys.

[rare kite]

then why was spriest meta? they bring no stops, mass dispell is nerfed to hell and back so that's not why either. they were meta coz they did stupid amounts of damage. same reason why destro is looking to be meta in tww. can you survive and you do the most damage? gzz you're meta

[storm prism]

They also brought Fort buff and PI. And even with nerfs MD is huge.

[rare kite]

Nah i cba with you

[storm prism]

L

[boreal quartz]

I forget you dont concern yourself with the opinion of plebians

[silk spade]

fort is giga

[boreal quartz]

Excuse the ping

[quasi torrent]

i dont wanna read back garbage posted in this channel

give me a tldr

[storm prism]

Bro said warrior can only be meta if it does the most damage because damage is the most important thing in keys

I said stops and externals to keep the group up are more important

[quasi torrent]

yesnt

you need to

• be able to live
• do the damage to time the key

the combination of those dictates the comp

[silk spade]

depends on the state of keys too

[rare kite]

this is what i said later as well, if you can live and you do the most damage you're meta

[silk spade]

like DF is a lot of ''be able to live''

[quasi torrent]

in every season ever the highest level always had a living part

[storm prism]

Thing is that warrior doesn't struggle with damage. They literally only need util buffs and Fury is meta.

[quasi torrent]

ok and what util do you think would help us

[rare kite]

funny thing, right before 10.1.5 warrior was gonna be played in mdi or tgp(can't remember which one) coz they did insane dam and survived everything. then godcomp happened

[storm prism]

Another stop/stun and either buffs to rally or an additional external to help the group. Warrior should also 100% be a lust class.

[quasi torrent]

warrior does not need another aoe stop

[silk spade]

the fact that darkness is doubled in keys and rally isn't is CRIMINAL

[quasi torrent]

tgp

[rare kite]

thank you

[olive nest]

Vengeance kites the best
Rdruid brings vers
Priest brings hp/pi/skips
Aug is Aug

So you get one slot

Most likely mage

[quasi torrent]

priest probs not gonna be meta

[olive nest]

Where melee!?

[untold trench]

Melee got a very bad time, so bring a ranged

[olive nest]

[quasi torrent]

it doesnt do enough dambur to alleviate their pros

[untold trench]

Why warrior, when Warlock/Mage?

Same DPS (if balanced correctly, ignore that they usually do more) and ranged

[olive nest]

Bring back scrolls at full value when!?

[storm prism]

Has to be mage. Int buff on top of VDH making enemies take 5% extra from magic on top if util from mage is.too strong

[quasi torrent]

remove raid buffs or add scrolls ye

[silk spade]

make raid buffs be only active in raid

easy fix

[quasi torrent]

no

just remove them

theyre also cringe af in raid

[silk spade]

ok guys let's do this boss with 10 aff locks!!!

[untold trench]

Just go a full AP comp, bring Warr, hunter and rogue

[olive nest]

I enjoy raid buffs in raid personally

[quasi torrent]

atleast that is a choice

[olive nest]

Not at all in keys

[boreal quartz]

Youd need to do x2 dam to be viable, warrior wont ever be meta

[quasi torrent]

right now its not a choice to bring 17 diff buffs

[silk spade]

neither extreme is fun. Tone down the amount of buffs maybe, but i dont think removing them is a good idea

or make some interchangeable idk

but in keys it's very toxic

[olive nest]

I’d be fine with them going back to the OG 3

Fort int shout

[quasi torrent]

wrath-warlords tech 🤯

insane!!!

[ivory quartz]

ah the classic damage vs utility argument

[silk spade]

yes I am aware

that it was like that before

[quasi torrent]

yes if the damage diff is high enough and it allows you to pull smaller and still time
its good
but xd

[rare kite]

I mean that's better than what we have today, how many mandatory spots are there in raid? 1 for each class right unless there's something i'm missing

I personally want them removed completely tho

[olive nest]

Them forcing 5-6 mob pulls gives fury a fighting chance atleast

Mostly copium tbh

With cleave being so good maybe even arms

[quasi torrent]

sure hope arms isnt good

that spec fucking sucks on aoe and st

somehow worse than df ? ?

? ? ?? ? ?

[olive nest]

I agree man the next iteration of arms is totally ass

[rare kite]

rework the spec from the ground up, they have no clue what they want to do with arms

[quasi torrent]

so what would redoing it from the ground do? if the same lad is in in charge that is.

[ivory quartz]

also if they actually decide to go hard into "single kicking things is as good as aoe stopping them" path they described is good for us/melee

[olive nest]

Demolish being a channel
Demolish can be parried
Demolish doesn’t have 100% Crit
Demolish doesn’t align with Ava or CS

[quasi torrent]

its also cringe however if you need 3-4 melee kicks in a key, like you used to in bfa

[ivory quartz]

yeah

[rare kite]

idk give it a breath of fresh air, i think it's better to take chances on something new than to have something stale. or you mean it in the sense that the dude would just create the same arms again from scratch?

[quasi torrent]

i dont trust that it wont be shit

🤷‍♂️

[olive nest]

Them making mobs cast immediately after an aoe stop, kind of makes me think they’re attempting to force melee into groups

[rare kite]

oh i don't either, but it's kinda shit right now. so what do you have to lose?

[ivory quartz]

yeah, like utility this utility that is kinda funny going into a season where we're getting free access to stops but the stops themselves are becoming less good lol

[storm prism]

Ngl I didn't know this was happening in TWW

That's gonna feel awful

[quasi torrent]

theyve been very random on how abilities worked tbf

some stuff would go on cd if you stopped

some wouldnt

then they tried streamlining it, but never caught all

[ivory quartz]

I feel like its a good first step toward a healthier m+ but I don't trust them to take it home

[storm prism]

All its gonna do is make pugging harder

[olive nest]

Indeed

[storm prism]

A good group with coordinated stops will get the same value from stops as we get now. Whereas pugs that can't coordinate are gonna overlap and then die.

[olive nest]

Less stops and less abilities all together is what I’d ask for

Make me avoid beams, swirls, frontals, or something of that nature

Not kick/stop 15 abilities per pull

[ivory quartz]

I feel like the elemental pulls of RLP were kinda cool in that they had some casts (just remove those if they scale too ridiculously), a big add that actually had a high ticking ability for healers to play the game, and some adds that you only had to hard cc very sparingly, and then various ground affects

[storm prism]

Agreed. RLP may have a very forgiving timer but I think mechanically it's one of the most difficult dungeons.

And it's fun.

[heavy berry]

Just straight dodgeable mechanics are more fun to play around than "if you don't have this button, you die"

[olive nest]

Totally agree with that

[heavy berry]

Are they annoying to have to keep running around? yeah sure, but it's more engaging on the whole

[olive nest]

“Oh man I used stormbolt on the volley 3 seconds ago and two more volleys are being casted by other mobs, guess I’m fucked”

[heavy berry]

Imagine an active dodge roll button added to melee classes, giving invuln frames and everything

[untold trench]

So old demonhunter

[heavy berry]

it realistically wouldn't work in wow very well but if we're stealing dragonriding from guild wars steal their endurance/dodge mechanics too while we're at it

[boreal quartz]

It doesnt sound like a good mechanic

And dh had it and it's gone for a reason

[olive nest]

Yeah an extra keybind to be able to dodge

Not really interested personally

[storm prism]

Better than an extra keybind for some weird niche aoe ability to bloat up arms even more

"Only press this if there are 4 enemies each wearing different colored hats. If wearing the SAME hat use cleave. If wearing NO hat you MS + SS."

[boreal quartz]

Why did you hate SOS

[storm prism]

I'd be lying if I said i knew what sos stands for

[boreal quartz]

Storm of Swords

The 60 rage ww

[storm prism]

Ah yes

Idk I just prefer my rotation to not have 48 conditionals to be met before using certain abilities. I don't mind stuff like "at X target count use this but swap at Y target count". But some classes get ridiculous with the amount of min max that goes into it.

Like arms in particular is in such a weird spot. Bloated weird rotation and then somehow generates too much rage in CDs but not enough between them. Execute feels awkward as hell too.

Someone said earlier it needs a full rework and I 100% agree with them.

[boreal quartz]

Okay we agree yippi

Personally idm trading SOS for sks, gaining rava or bs is alright

[gaunt owl]

people dont wanna follow my idea for a rework

thats the problem

[boreal quartz]

Wouldve liked sl bs most

I want sl back but roar for NF

So i can be freaky and pad and retain full st

[olive nest]

Paw knows best

Bring back

[heavy berry]

Would've looked sick with a bit of a rework

[gaunt owl]

i kinda hate it

because it was awful when tank moved a bit

sometimes you had to sit on your thumbs to be sure they didnt move

[heavy berry]

kinda miss the banner tbh, it was a cool ability that could've been iterated on a bit

[gaunt owl]

banner was problematic for some spec

it was 100% uptime for some

we have too many CD

dont need more

[boreal quartz]

Also 2 min

Vs arms

[latent moss]

just make it 1:30

not that hard aligns with ava

and make it personal only

but i doublt arms would play it

but it would go very hard in execute phase

rage gen and perma uptime

[boreal quartz]

Can we maybe not get ANOTHER cd

I like sks as a mini CD but id also like another semi spender

[gaunt owl]

people already complaining about the long ass opener

when its not even that much

[boreal quartz]

I kinda find fury opener worse as i need to remember my spear swapped keybind lmao

But i will learn that one sometime

[dire hinge]

it's not the worst opener, but it is kinda jank still

it's okay to not like it

[latent moss]

i mean its roar or banner

so it would just replace spear

[boreal quartz]

Lego makes it infinitely worse

Hate that item

[dire hinge]

luckily we get a new, fresh animation lock to use soon that replaces it and is used more frequently

[boreal quartz]

But it's used in a diff spot

At least

Charge rend demo sounds braindead

[dire hinge]

tbf it all sounds kinda brain dead atm

[boreal quartz]

You dont see the shit paw cooks

It gets brainrotted

[stable steeple]

hey guys - very casual question here, does the execute glyph with the birds not work for arms? can only seem to apply it in prot

[ebon ridge]

God damn I’m gonna play Diablo with Todu

@boreal quartz

[olive nest]

TODU!?

[ebon ridge]

Yeah Todu

[boreal quartz]

Enjoy sir

[pallid oar]

Hello, doas the mortal strike done bye Unhinged talent proc the Executioner's Precision talent ?

[olive nest]

Yes

So during ravager you do
exe exe op exe exe op
Etc

[pallid oar]

Ok thx ! ❤️

[latent moss]

[olive nest]

[barren goblet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1037462976485138462/condemn48.gif

[minor gust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1037464605414412298/HyperCondemn.gif

[reef glade]

first and last time arms was good

[dire hinge]

hehe, the prepatch 1H Sword is longer than the 2H sword

[dawn rose]

i know something thats even longer

[dire hinge]

waiting for Galakras to land?

[dawn rose]

close 😄

[gaunt owl]

[reef glade]

[blazing plover]

hello everyone!

which hero spec will be the play for raid in tww?

[thick kelp]

🔮

[untold trench]

Any fury spec

[tribal cliff]

Is dungeon slice suitable for arms?

[slow saddle]

dont sim

just play

its prepatch

[devout pewter]

Also worthless in about 2 weeks i think 😄

[tribal cliff]

I mean i'm trying to make top 100 arms at the moment. I haven't given up.

[slow saddle]

then u dont need sim either

as 100 key lvls u prob wanna stack more versa than other ppl

[hazy flower]

If u want to sim use st sim

If u want to min max

Like really min max

Use st sim, check for high aoe also but usually results have been the same in my experience

U need prio/st in keys - when I needed extra survi I was just going full vers and checking for type of gear where I lose the least damage while having highest versatility possible

• ofc use logic when picking trinkets, not every trinket will be as good in m+ as it is in sims (oce/icon not always have people running them, definitely not full since tanks will never play those), brand/anvil can be bothersome to maintain etc

Even though being so thorough is not necessary for top 100 arms + definitely not for prepatch if you try to do well on all ends it wont hurt for sure 👐

[tribal cliff]

that makes a lot of since. I've got quite a bit of gear i can go anywhere from under 30% verse to a little over 40%. It's hard to figure out the magic number

[smoky kayak]

often times there isn't really a magic number; stats are very interdependent, so it's all a balancing act, and one stat distribution in a certain gear set may not match another

[hazy flower]

30% of vers is already plenty

Top 100 arms is around 3.5k, very rarely tiny bit of vers will save you

If you have trouble living through certain things I suggest either www.notevenclose.com or asking here/checking logs what people have done

I highly doubt bot will want you to go 40%

[tribal cliff]

Thanks guys <3. I freaking love Arms warrior. Been my main since 05 but I barely got decent in the middle of this expansion.

[gentle wharf]

If i'm about to skullsplitter and my rend has < 10 seconds left on it's duration shld I reapply rend?

before I press it

[hazy flower]

Skullsplitter doesnt make your rend expire, just tick faster

As long as you have it running during whole sks you’re fine

U can reapply during sks

[tribal cliff]

i was wondering the same Harrisn. I'm pretty sure skullsplitter applies to rend that hasn't been used yet and the duration of rend gets cut down to 13 seconds anyways. so i would say just keep it to the 3 seconds or less

a slam does nearly twice the damage of an uneeded rend so you don't want to over apply rend if you can help it

[gentle wharf]

Alright thanks, wasn't sure if I was to reapply rend after sks that it would override it with a weaker rend.

[smoky kayak]

in technical terms, Skullsplitter is a separate debuff which halves the current duration and doubles the tick rate of Rend/DW on the target - its all dynamic, so it doesn't matter if/when you rapply the debuffs before, during, or after Skullsplitter

[gentle wharf]

Okay great thanks, didn't want to only have 3secs left of my 'buffed' rend and then reapply a weaker one but if its separate that's great! ty for the quick replies

[tribal cliff]

iteresting thing about rend is it says 21 seconds but it does stack to some point going up to about 26 seconds. I guess that's were i got my 13 seconds. Other wise if you use on rend and than skullsplitter the duration is cut to 10 seconds

[smoky kayak]

Yeah making it work more seamlessly this way was one of the main reasons for the change from the old version

[hazy flower]

21 sec is 100%

U cant get more in 1 usage

U have to apply the debuff twice to get 26

[smoky kayak]

most debuffs pandemic, which allows them to roll up to 30% of the duration on refresh; it's a mechanic designed to avoid losing potential damage by just refreshing it outright

[tribal cliff]

that's what i was trying to say myr

thanks for clarifying

[smoky kayak]

e.g. in older versions of WoW, refreshing rend before it fully expired meant you just lost ticks of damage, so the trick was to refresh it immediately after the final tick; pandemic (named for the warlock ability that originally did this just for their class) makes it more flexible by allowing you to refresh up to 30% early

[tribal cliff]

that's interesting Archi

[gentle wharf]

does colossus smash interact with sks damage? sorry for the 21 questions, rerolling back warr for TWW

[smoky kayak]

Yes, Colossus Smash buffs bleed damage

SkS doesn't actually improve your bleed damage, just makes it deal damage faster, but that in of itself has synergy with CS - it lets you fit more damage inside the buff window

[tribal cliff]

This is a simple question I'm sure you've already answered but do you use Sks before or after CS?

[smoky kayak]

doesn't really matter, since you mostly just use it on cooldown, but it will typically fall within CS

[tribal cliff]

❤️

[novel stump]

Hi everyone. I have a couple of arms questions. I posted in general but figured maybe I should put this here, too:

1. I keep reading that we use our cooldowns before applying dots. Why is that?
2. For the execute phase, how should I handle low rage? Should I still use my two executes at minimum rage to build Executioner's Precision, or should I autoattack and overpower a couple of times to build up my rage for bigger executes?

[latent moss]

1. u rend on opener and dw is applied by ms which u also use on opener for leggo
2. u exe if >40 and u op if <40. when u get 2 EP u send MS

keep in mind its prepatch

iirc for prepatch it should be charge ms leggo rend troar rava cs+ava ms sks

once we lose leggo it will be a lot bette

u will just charge rend troar rava cs+ava ms sks

[novel stump]

Good news for me; I don't have leggo

so without leggo do I want to wait for colossus smash to use cds?

[dire hinge]

No, you use them as they're available, in the order mentioned in the WoWhead rotation guide. It's a priority system, not a rotation, meaning there will be times where some CDs will desync, but you use them as they come up.

sometimes you can hold (some) of the CDs briefly, but you usually want to Colossus Smash on cooldown to make the best use of Anger Management

when in doubt: use the cooldown

[novel stump]

Thanks, folks!

[latent moss]

u dont think as arms anymore

just send

[vital rune]

Picked arms back up for TWW after not playing since Legion. Having a blast with it so far but had some clarification on rotation/priority.

For AoE, am I understanding correctly that we stick to MS over cleave until >5 targets?

During cleave windows should we always stack it with an OP buff or just let it fly on CD?

[fathom shoal]

Is this the spec ppl are playing in M+ right now? any tweaks to it that i did wrong? (just general aoe spec, not st focused obv)

Eb instead of Massacre?

should i be taking battlelord?

[fervent glen]

for the prepatch rotation, do we just kinda...not care about rage until execute phase? just send overpowers even if rage is capped?

[smoky kayak]

yes, though overcapping isn't a common occurrence

[fervent glen]

good to know! new rotation feels so strange compared to old dumping rage with whirlwind and TC

[smoky kayak]

the intent seems to be that you'd dump rage through EB procs, but we don't actually use the talent so

Ignore Pain can also dump, but it seems to be bugged atm, cause the shield value is quite a bit lower than the toolip

[lean geode]

Fellas if you have rav out with unhinged during execute, do you still MS on cd or just spam exe and let the rav consume your EP stacks?

[grand idol]

I'd go with whatever the guide says. My gut tells me its likely still the same. Avoid over capping with exe and use ms at 2ep. Whoops misread your question a little. But yea still the same concept

[dire hinge]

let Ravager consume your stacks and use the rage on more Executes in between

[lean geode]

ty king

[frigid lava]

Ah... I just realized Unhinged MS consumes execute stacks

Good to know

[wintry arch]

^^

should summon a weap that MS for us

literally unhinge it from our wrists

at archi im feeling hinged

[frigid lava]

uh oh... bullion still drops

hmmm... what to buy

[outer holly]

ALL the transmogs

[frigid lava]

bought OCE

[wintry arch]

Why are you in IF

[thick elbow]

ooh so arms go for "In for the kill" now instead of "Test of might" in Single target?

[frigid lava]

that seems to be the trend

[boreal quartz]

Ye

You dont spend rage for it and the haste is insane now

[ebon garden]

And so less we take TOM, the more blizzard see it as dead talent and delete it

[quasi torrent]

u say this but stormwall still exists

[wispy kettle]

Inspiring Presence had a low pick rate

[quasi torrent]

fax

[boreal quartz]

no printer

[real flint]

I never really enjoyed TOM, and it's one of the reasons i don't play arms more. So here's a small cook: I wouldn't mind TOM if they reworked it to be something like "Use a x ammount of spells within this window to get a buff" or even "X ammount of unique spells"
Not a "unlimited" spam shit as hard as possible to grow a bigger buff, but more like a combo to gain a buff or apply a debuff.

[brisk slate]

TOM always felt bad for me, at least while it's a choice in the talent tree. It definitely needs a rework, but so do some other things in the tree ...

[boreal quartz]

Oh boy i forgot to hamstring for ToM rip fatal mark

[latent moss]

Demolish is a 2 second channel, and the Warrior is unable to move or use other abilities while channeling, similar to Eye Beam. A Colossus player will have to think tactically about when and where is optimal to use it. This is an intentional part of the flavor of the ability.

[manic stirrup]

tom is essentially completely passive

when you used it you played the same as you would regardless of if cs debuff was currently active

the only slight nuance was if you could get 2x ip in every cs

[sacred zodiac]

If u cared abt tom u did it wrong

[spark mango]

guys i know this is not the right place to ask this, but sometimes i get stuck in loading and it forces me to hard reset my pc, i only have this problem with wow, anyone else with such a problem?

[wintry arch]

Your ssd maybe dying

[spark mango]

i checked its integrity, and it only happens in wow, whilst i run high end games for hours on ultra

[wintry arch]

When i first built my pc I had the same issue. Ran everything perfectly besides logging into wow. This is one persons anecdote so ymmv

Replaced my ssd and everything has been perfectly smooth

Did you try reinstalling?

[spark mango]

no with my internet speed it takes 5 days, will definetly reinstall windows and wow before launch tho

[silk spade]

you may have old addons giving you problems

[dreamy egret]

when we are leveling what would be the better embellishments and do they get turned off at like 75 or something?

[olive nest]

That’s something you probably do not need to think about whatsoever

I’d just keep equip whatever you have on now until something of ilvl replaces

[viral needle]

Any Sims for the new race?

[signal marsh]

I wanna buy a new trinket with this weeks bullions. The ones i havent bought yet that im interested in are pips, grieftorch, dreadplate and call to chaos. What would you guys choose?

[solemn fractal]

warrior can't use call to dominance so i guess not that one? 😄

i guess you meant call to chaos, which would be ok.

[signal marsh]

Mb, edited 😁

[reef glade]

Dreadplate poopy tank trinket

any of the others pretty much fine I’d say grief is the most fun but only rly noticeable in raid I feel if u get a few deaths