arms

[teal fossil]

Since arms run iftk and fury runs powerful

[candid kindle]

have you reconsidered changing the mapping of your keybindings? delegating some more repeteable spammy binds to a mmo mouse's side pannel? i was starting to suffer from ligament pain since late bfa-shadowlands due to fury playstile and i improoved my confort and health by basically re mapping everything, it takes about 2 weeks for ur brain to re-accomodate to the new binds etc.

[manic stirrup]

bruh i had agro through all of dbts and bop

and i died after both wore off

[reef glade]

L

[manic stirrup]

im doing too much dam sadge

[daring heron]

play nelf

[manic stirrup]

must be panderen

[daring heron]

tbh this still happens as nelf cause you need it more often than 2 mins anyway

[manic stirrup]

every roar

[sage badge]

Play prot warr, the only way

[wicked glacier]

I mean you could always take a page out of @daring heron 's book and equip grey weapon

[wary raft]

whats the tech behind cs and not wb in prepatch?

[latent moss]

its so dumb

but nelf is bis either way

meld or not

[manic stirrup]

the haste buff u get lasts for the duration of cs

longer cs is more haste

[latent moss]

crazy how 3s of haste closed the gap on aoe

with wb

wb just isnt worth it

u lose 10% st for 5% aoe

[manic stirrup]

well prio damage is mnore important anyway

[latent moss]

and in that 5% aoe

its like 20% more to shitters

and a lot of % less to prio

and st prio is king

[mellow seal]

wait do we not use tc anymore single target its onyl 20 rage

[manic stirrup]

rend does more initial damage

for the same rage

[livid cloak]

the unhinged mortal strikes during ravager/bs can be swept with SS correct?

[latent moss]

y

[urban iron]

It works with meat cleaver for fury so should work with ss

[floral hill]

Okay, something must be scuffed with Mage Tower. Literally can't get out of prism with a Bladestorm before dieing. Did they jack up scaling or something?

[obsidian topaz]

fury feels so much better in keys rn

people said they were similar in keys before the pre-patch but i couldnt make it work

now specifically for keys arms still on top?

[smoky kayak]

Fury is burstier, Arms is more sustained and priority damage

[hardy olive]

why dont they make demo aline with warbreaker

[boreal quartz]

It's up to you to allign 2 spells on seperate cdr

[weak mauve]

Im planning on returning to wow for TWW after shadowlands i mostly play arms / fury / blood dk. How is arms and fury atm on beta? Mostly considering fun becasue tuning before s1 is always goofy

[thick kelp]

Fury is fun I hear, arms is piece of shit

performance is equal

[weak mauve]

Always loved spamming whirlwind on fury while running around in town or raid so looking forward to that then i guess 😁

[clever crag]

Arms is pos ?

How

[boreal quartz]

Arms is not fun in execute

[weak wave]

It isn't. Don't feed the troll.

[gaunt owl]

Arms gameplay still shite mate

[quasi torrent]

always has been

[gaunt owl]

[silk spade]

🧎‍♂️

[clever crag]

FURY BABY

[steep delta]

im not seeing it in the wowhead guide- how many targets for cleave to be used?

[thick kelp]

if sweeping strikes down 3+ if sweeping strikes up 4+

or smthclose to that

[steep delta]

cheers, i also have a bit of a dumb question- the wording on this is confusing. when it says triggers 3 times, would dance of death make it last for up to 6 seconds after bladestorm or 15% increased damage?

[zealous pivot]

i think we need more damage modifiers

[cloud dawn]

rotation feels fucked

but the numbers dont lie

[stiff fractal]

anyone have a good macro for casting bladestorm or ravager based on talent now that they're a choice node

[misty bridge]

/cast [@cursor, known:Ravager] Ravager; [] Bladestorm

can change @cursor to @player if that suits you better

[stiff fractal]

pog ty

[nimble yoke]

is the prio damage build in m+ worth going over the full aoe build in keys below +10?

[clever crag]

Go fury

[quaint otter]

I think always at 2+ if u have Fob

[wind shadow]

Prio dmg build is not that less AOE for more ST

execute def feels bad

[radiant sentinel]

Why does execute feel bad?

[dire hinge]

Because our rage generation is pretty rough outside of Ravager, it’s easy to run out of rage. There is no longer an “easy” ExeExeOpMs pattern, gotta watch rage the whole time

[radiant sentinel]

Oooooh i see, i thought that was welcomed?
That we had to manage rage better i may be wrong though!

[thick kelp]

We wanted to have less rage but currently we are still swimming in rage outside exe and in execute we are near starved if not for proper play

[dire hinge]

Kinda, we had too much pre-execute in season 4, but it just feels very wonky right now

[radiant sentinel]

Oooooh that way makes sence!

[warped coral]

hi, can someon explain me or guide me to article what excaclty means that quest is warband completed? its like no need to do it when i want to complete story on alt or?

[woven wasp]

simply means you have done it before on another character

[old urchin]

Prio damage is even stronger when stuff dies faster.

[daring pelican]

arms enjoyers rise up

[olive nest]

Real

[storm prism]

Anyone have a stance swap macro?

[boreal quartz]

Pinned

[gaunt owl]

its pinned by a great warrior !

[storm prism]

Thanks kings

[bold ether]

[untold trench]

Fury feels real good

you guys should play it

[latent moss]

[real birch]

Going to try arms today 🙂 anything changed with our rotation? And when would I prio skullsplitter

[latent moss]

just send

[gaunt owl]

SKS is after MS is on CD

[real birch]

ty 🙂

[boreal quartz]

@teal fossil alert in fury

[teal fossil]

i swa that yesterday

i didnt wanna ping anyone

[silk spade]

is that him

[smoky kayak]

the myth, the legend

[nova marsh]

So question

Does a ravager macro from DF fury work on arms today? yes this is a very stupid question

[outer holly]

Haven't seen any mention of changes to macro logic, don't see why it wouldn't

[wintry arch]

can sks be swept?

[devout pewter]

yes

[wintry arch]

ty

[solemn fractal]

if just using the spell name there should be no conflict... now sure what macro you are refering to, #ui-addons-manager

[smoky kayak]

Yeah Ravager should still work fine; the only fancy part is if you wanna combine Ravager & Bladestorm on the same macro

[devout pewter]

shit, we're getting fancy over here now?

[wintry arch]

is my thunderclap already doing hero talent animations? or is that from a diff talent

[grand idol]

Might have the glyph

makes it lightning

[uncut pasture]

that one is prot only still

since arms didn't have tc at the time ig

this does change it, just tested*

[uncut pasture]

@wintry arch

[wintry arch]

Gotcha thanks!

[verbal marten]

bro is there a reason my warrior randomly does a mini bladestorm

or am i going crazy

[fathom shoal]

are you cancelling the BS with a macro?

its cancelable now

[jovial sun]

also - you're on retail and not playing slayer on ptr right?

[modern quiver]

anyone remember their highest number of sweeping strikes stacks for collateral damage?

[manic stirrup]

3 billion

[pseudo crow]

It’s a talent in ur hero talent. Same animation different talent

[verbal marten]

Yeah it’s happening in live though

[verbal marten]

Yes

Not even running bs

[wooden tide]

Blunt instruments over WB in m+ on wowhead?

[manic stirrup]

yeah its good

[hard cedar]

Which CD type abilities (CS/TR/Avatar/Ravager) can my lazy ass macro together?

[gaunt owl]

none

[outer holly]

TR is about the only thing that would work bound to avatar

[hard cedar]

That's what I have right now. I know when play fury I end up binding Reck+Ravager as well

What's up with stats now, why is Haste last? I see guide says at very highest levels of gear, is there a certain rating it starts to lose value?

[outer holly]

prepatch has us hitting DRs left right and centre

[hard cedar]

oh i'm in the -20% dr for crit and haste

[manic stirrup]

you cant have multiple gcd buttons on 1 keybind without griefing

if you really want to you can bind any one of those to avatar but its not recommended

[manic stirrup]

no test of might means haste has a LOT less value

[hard cedar]

Thank you, that makes sense

[clever crag]

I still have haste as highest stat lol

[icy root]

Super new to class so probs a dumb question, but is there a point to even having rend on my bar when im applying it with thunderclap?

[manic stirrup]

rend does more initial damage in st and 2 target cleave

its minor but will be better than always using thunderclap

if you want to forgo the keybind thats fine for a minimal loss

[alpine steeple]

For single target arms is it slayer or colossus

[late nacelle]

didnt warrior used to have a glyph which makes BS essentially invisible?

i mean you'd just see your character spinning

or its just a classic thing

[teal fossil]

mandela effect

[late nacelle]

nah im pretty sure ive seen it LUL

[urban citrus]

is it just me, or does arms AOE feel alot more interesting than it's ST?

[compact laurel]

Returning to arms after 2 seasons, do we use whirlwind in m+ or I can change that keybind for slam please?

[opal wind]

whirlwind is replaced by cleave

in prepatch

[vast helm]

My Excute are no longer highlighted at 35% , any idea to fix it ?

[lunar vessel]

Same
Slam spam is a snooze fest

[unkempt burrow]

Weird my still flashes

[wanton sierra]

so arms colossuus is nerfed to the ground?

[rare kite]

not to the ground no, just nerfed

slayer got massive buffs at the same time so the gap became bigger

[gaunt owl]

it got shot in the dick

9.5% with my current gear on live

[rare kite]

wait rly? is that nerf only colossus individually or the initial arms nerf as well

[gaunt owl]

MS nerf is a huge one with our current tier set

wanna know the fun part

Slarms is doing the same number as Colarms was

thats so dented of blizzard

[thick kelp]

Quick flip

Choose your channel

!

6s bladestorm vs 3.5 demolish

[gaunt owl]

all the demolish hater secretly love channeling ability

they just cant accept the fact that bladestorm is a channel since its there since forever

[thick kelp]

cant wait to slarm in raid

[timid kelp]

I think the fact you don't need to be in range of target mob and The fact that you can move during The channel might make bladestorm channel feel less shitty? But sure they are both a channel...

Also hi Ppaww u old rat

[gaunt owl]

thats true

even found a bug with Demolish that if you turn your char you can absolutly miss the last swing

but the channeling is so much shorter on it

[timid kelp]

I mean imagine fyralath was a 30sec CD that you absolutely need to send on CD every time. Fucking horrible

[gaunt owl]

its not on CD for Demolish so its kinda saved

weird condition to make it worth it

actions.single_target+=/demolish,if=(buff.avatar.up&debuff.colossus_smash.up)|(debuff.colossus_smash.up&cooldown.avatar.remains>=35)

[timid kelp]

It's just a shit consept man. Melee range channeled cast that U cant move during to follow boss/mobs

[gaunt owl]

its not as bad as Fyralath cast luckily

and they pretty much nuked Colarms potential

and buffed Slarms to prenerf Colarms lvl

[timid kelp]

Good cause slayer is da way (both specs)

[gaunt owl]

1.75 channel time

nah Slayer is fucking mid

the real hero tree is Thane

cool theme but not on Arms sadly

[boreal quartz]

Thane arm rip

[gaunt owl]

at 30% haste 1.75 channel time

[boreal quartz]

Tharm

[gaunt owl]

see it even sounds better

Tharms slapps

[timid kelp]

1.75secs is a long window for The tank to do some demented shit

Like move The boss or turn IT for a quick Parry on Ur 3rd hit 🙃

[gaunt owl]

you need to keep them in check and flame them

good tank are rare and its an ungrateful job

but when done properly its smooth to game

5 seconds bladestorm gonna kill me actually

[timid kelp]

Thats not a thing right

Ur just being ppaww the monkey doomer

[thick kelp]

Slarms should work with ravager or BS should be same duration as fury

[gaunt owl]

its gonna be the end of me

[boreal quartz]

They hate the real ones

[timid kelp]

Maby you need to re-roll. U allready cant play Fury because it's too complicated and now arms is also getting 2 extra buttons. How are you going to manage

[gaunt owl]

Fury is such a shit spec with no depth same as Arms

people just cant push buttons

both stuck in a ditch for the past 3 xpac

[thick kelp]

Can I macro Avatar and colossus smash togehter

[gaunt owl]

[blazing grove]

Newbie here, what skill you priorize before in the rotation: Mortal Strike or Overpower

[boreal quartz]

Ms

[gaunt owl]

[thick kelp]

Execute

[boreal quartz]

If you accept spec design like this you are a part of the problem

Feedback is needed to make playable iterations of this class

Calling someone too bad for another spec especially when they do a LOT of work for their spec and have actively shaped it's playstyle in the past is absolutely braindead

[timid kelp]

Rofl, oh my god ppaww you have some fanbois. I was just shooting shit with ppaww who I raided with before. Also he's a big boi who can defend him self from my stabs if he wants to ❤️

[gaunt owl]

i need friends to carry my coffin

[thick kelp]

People just passionate about arms

[gaunt owl]

sometimes we need to give context that we know each other

before we take jab 😄

[boreal quartz]

Shoot about his dementia then, he wont remember anyways

Wanting a spec to rot because of banter is cringe

[rancid knot]

yall i have two 515 trinkets. how come i cant upgrade my other trinkets to 515 without crests? it's weird though because it allowed me to upgrade with out crests from 493 to 499, but all of a sudden at 502, it costs my crests now. wtf.

[boreal quartz]

Did you equip both

[latent moss]

ye need to equip both

[latent moss]

i love spending half the time channeling

[rancid knot]

yea i tried after equipping both as well

[thick kelp]

Dreaming for the day they make ravager work with slayer

Best hero spec in the game then

[gaunt owl]

its probably never happening

or Fury player will cry about not having it too

[latent moss]

never happening

[gaunt owl]

its both or neither scenario

[latent moss]

i mean

idc about fury

give it to fury too

as a st option

and bs as an aoe option

[thick kelp]

But why would fury complain

their bladestorm

[latent moss]

idk

[thick kelp]

is like 1 global long

[latent moss]

ye

[thick kelp]

ours is 5min

[timid kelp]

I dunno where u got that I don't want arms to be a good spec but okidoki.

I'm confused. Why would slayer affecting ravager (weird that it isn't cause it's literally a choice nod for BS vs Ravager) make Fury Madge? They have the same choice node

[gaunt owl]

Slayer is specifically forced to use Bladestorm

but if they give the option to use Ravager for Arms and dont give it to Fury its gonna be a riot

thats blizzard design choice

[boreal quartz]

The thing is tbh how would a non player cast ravager behave

Just at player at target etc

[timid kelp]

They can make the proc be bladestorm but have the cdr also affect ravager

[boreal quartz]

Interesting

I dont hate that

[timid kelp]

U don't proc unhinged with the proc channel anyway? It's too short to get of a unhinged hit right? That's intentes

[boreal quartz]

It's based on ticks innit

Only get 1 not the 2nd one for the ms

[latent moss]

the proc isnt even a bladestorm

just looks like one

[timid kelp]

Yeah just keep that

But the cdr needs to affect ravager too

[boreal quartz]

Or use the of Animation for arms

Since that does look cool

[timid kelp]

I actually didn't know it doesn't. That's fucking stupid

"you have a choice between BS and ravager. But as slayer u don't actually"

[boreal quartz]

As collo u also dont have a choice

It's never bs for st imo

Hero talent just forces the worse option

[timid kelp]

Let me fix that talent for you: each strike of bladestorm OR ravager applies...

Devving is easy

[gaunt owl]

we all wanted this

[gaunt owl]

not for blizzard apparently

[timid kelp]

Did you suggest it on the official "pls blizzard fix my class" forums?

[gaunt owl]

all the changes we got

are basically changes that got asked 2 years ago in DF beta

[timid kelp]

This honestly just looks like the slayer hero talent guy forgot ravager exists

Like a whoopsir

[gaunt owl]

they probably gave back Ravager after Slayer was designed

thats how it happend

and now its too late because reason

[timid kelp]

Yeah that

It's not too late. So I assume it has been at least tried to be brought to their attention

Cause that affects both specs slayer involves

That's a big whoopsie

[gaunt owl]

if we do have the possiblity of Ravager for Slayer

its 100% gonna be the go to pick each scenario

[urban citrus]

im sick of slam

its just not a fun ability to press

the animation is bland, its has low rage cost so you need to keep spamming it

the damage is kinda meh too

[blazing grove]

So Colossus or Slayer?

[latent moss]

slayer

[gaunt owl]

Thane

i cant even write

[hazy flower]

I wish

[gaunt owl]

i got a stroke mid typing

[hazy flower]

Playing thor in this game

[hard cedar]

I used to, but then I switched it to TR+Avatar

[thick kelp]

[hard cedar]

When I play fury I macro TR/Spear to Reck as well. It's not optimal, but it sure is comfy.

[silk spade]

what's wrong with that

if you have a separate CS bind it's fine innit

[brisk vortex]

Why would you need a separate CS bind? CS will still cast when Avatar is on cd

[graceful axle]

there be situations where you'll want to CS but not use avatar

or delay avatar

[wary raft]

Also CS has a delay which will cause you to lose a tiny bit of time in avatar to just waiting on animation/GCD

[silk spade]

if you want to hold cds lol

[olive nest]

You could put cs on the avatar bind

But not Ava on the cs bind

[silk spade]

what do you mean by this

[wary raft]

When pressing CS/WB there’s a slight delay as to when the ability dam+ debuff happens

So super min max but optimal is technically press CS bind then as ur character jumps up to either stomp(WB) or slam wep down(CS) u press avatar

And if ur spamming buttons (all warriors do) with a macro like that u waste a bit of avatar time depending on haste obv

[latent moss]

im pretty sure this got debunked with wb back in sl

[wary raft]

Perhaps my information is outdated? I quit towards the end of S2 SL so it’s possible I missed the discussion entirely

I can look into it when I get home

[latent moss]

i forgot tbh

I just ava and then cs

cba thinking about it for 2 more dps

[wary raft]

For me it’s just natural to press it in the order I described so it’s gonna be annoying to swap that lmfao

[quartz cedar]

good morning skyhold!

can someone explain to me why the suggested rotation is to do thunderous roar + ravager before avatar? wouldnt those two abilities benefit from the +20% damage from avatar?

[silk spade]

most of the damage from those two spells are tied to their effects/dots, not the initial hits

[quartz cedar]

so the thought is that the globals would be better off used for other abilities during the avatar window than roar & ravager inside of it

would the dots benefit from avatar once its cast?

[silk spade]

yes and yes

[wary raft]

The only class that still snapshots like that is feral iirc

So most classes you play dots will gain whatever bonus is applied or removed dynamically

[quartz cedar]

ok good to know. Thanks dudes.

[tacit crystal]

I'm trying to optimize the arms rotation with the new talents and was wondering where to use ravager. Are there any reasons to use ravager before or after cds? Thanks in advance

[thick kelp]

You use your ravager just before your cs and/or avatar to not waste any globals inside your CS windows

opener looks like charge legendary rend troar rava ava cs ms sks op

[tacit crystal]

It just looks weird because I'm looking at this warriors logs and he always does the sequence shown in the picture

[thick kelp]

whos this warrior

[tacit crystal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GzyJBCR29qHTbafK#fight=12&type=casts&source=14&view=timeline

[tacit crystal]

I just simmed myself and this is what the robot says to do

[silk spade]

That opener looks pretty troll

I think rend and rav after leggo and before cds is better

[tacit crystal]

I mean it looks troll but hes getting rank 1s so its just weird 🤷‍♂️

[silk spade]

The opener is not super impactful (unless you do something really really wrong)

If you play your prio well and fuck up your opene by accident/do it suboptimally you can still perform

I do like that he does charge -> ms, not sure why most people seem to charge -> rend

[olive nest]

Charge Ms bigger brained

[silk spade]

Getting tier before leggo is

[latent moss]

irrelevant rn when no one is raiding tbh

[gaunt owl]

his opener is kinda shit

but he gets a PI and use Ashes of the Embersoul

he had 100% crit flask uptime

lots of rng and high rolling can do that anyway

look at my silly opener last week

i didnt play any prepatch before the raid

its not even good

and i fat fingered Sweeping strikes

i wanted to delete my char

it was last week with no PI

never look at top logs

it doesnt mean shit

[silk spade]

Look at multiple logs yeah

[zinc python]

I’m noticing even worse issues in execute since the pre patch changes, was it really necessary to make tactician be a super rare proc when the tier set is based off it?

Feel like I’m constantly rage starved once execute starts

Feels like it should either do much more damage for its rage cost, or be tuned back to be in line with the adjusted rage costs of most abilities

[frigid lava]

Is arms like top tier dps at the moment?

[zinc python]

It’s solid but the play style is a bit clunky right now

[frigid lava]

I'm close to 3100... haven't got outdps'd yet.

[outer holly]

Have you ran with a good frost dk?

They go hard

[frigid lava]

nah i haven't played with dk dps yet

[zinc python]

I’ve had problems in AoE but that’s probably just my fault I am horrible at arms aoe

[frigid lava]

arms aoe = op and cleave

[zinc python]

But ST as long as your not super unlucky is real nice

[gaunt owl]

but the changes werent for current Arms tier set anyway

we have had a problem of drowning in rage

blizzard cant fix it in a nice way

but you dont really rage starve in Execute time either as long as you dont fuck up your rotation and have Skyfury buff

[outer holly]

Last frost dk I ran with ended a 13 nelth with 1.2mil overall, really impressive for ilvl 517

[silk spade]

Make execute 20 rage

[zinc python]

While rage isn’t a problem most of the time, when you get unlucky with crits and wind fury repeatedly it’s pretty noticeable in execute phase

[gaunt owl]

we notice the bad times more than the good one

[zinc python]

And with tactician no longer 100% proccing on 40 rage executes you can be left in a scenario where you just wait on rage gen

My team had no enhance in s4 so it was very often that I had to fall back on 2 execute overpower MS loop for execute phase

[storm prism]

I've been running the pure aoe build and I must say. OP not resetting MS feels unbelievably bad. But the numbers on mass pulls are batshit insane.

[trail osprey]

🦧

[stiff glen]

I cant seem to find Whirlwind in the arms spellbook, but i cant seem to find it. Am i just blind?

[gaunt owl]

you talented Cleave

[stiff glen]

ah gocha

so do i just rage dump with slam?

[latent moss]

u dont need to rage dump anymore

just do ur rotation

[stiff glen]

ah okay. Even during ravager?

idk ive only done one dungeon after not playing for months

[hazy flower]

During ravager you dont press ms

Just spam exe/op

[gaunt owl]

tell him its during execute time at least

[hazy flower]

Ye my b

[gaunt owl]

we need to give context or its gonna be awful to uncurse the dmg

[smoky kayak]

Yeah >35% just spam Exe and OP 😆

one SD proc, two charges of OP, and wait

[gaunt owl]

that is something we are missing too many times

its giving context

[stiff glen]

dang i diddent know you could spam exicute like that lol

[gaunt owl]

yes kinda

you have to do it in a way that you dont ragestarve yourself either during Ravager and Execute time

[manic stirrup]

what build

i dont run battlelord regardless lf talents

[storm prism]

Not at home currently to link it but it's on Wowhead. Drops Battlelord and ravager to run bladestorm and two of the bladestorm capstones. Mainly the one that buffs cleave.

I was critting for over 1mil with cleave and I'm only 507 ilvl on the warrior.

It's dogwater in ST tho.

[manic stirrup]

i like to run ravager instead of bladestorm

still take the aoe nodes under ravager

[storm prism]

Then it isn't the build for you. You have to run bladestorm to have it buff your cleaves. It's crucial to making them do giga damage.

[quaint otter]

ravager buffs ur cleave too

[storm prism]

I was gapping a 520 Shaman in AoE with that build though it's crazy fun but probably not very viable on high tyran keys.

[quaint otter]

bonegrinder is just shit

[storm prism]

Matter of opinion then I suppose

But when the tank is pulling like a crackhead it is amazingly fun to pop coolies, spin to win, and then nuke them with cleave.

[wary raft]

as far as I can tell it seems its still there for both WB and CS

[sacred zodiac]

do you have a log or smth

iirc theres no delay

[wary raft]

Would the log even show time of Input vs time of damage event?

[uncut pasture]

you might be able to compare the time it was cast and when it dealt damage but it's going to be fractions of a second you're dealing with, i'm not sure what kind of precision logs have, even then the only way it'd really be something you optimise is if you have >100% haste or something

since below that it wouldn't change how many globals you get out of avatar

[lethal acorn]

Run exhilarating blows for aoe

Cleave resets feel nice at least

[manic stirrup]

no you dont

wdym

it works on ravager as well

[manic stirrup]

with ravager you can do easily 500k st dps which is pretty damn good in aoe talents

[manic stirrup]

just until the ability hits

once it hits the debuff is applied

[wary raft]

Yeah that’s what I’m talking about

Slight delay between input and application of damage and debuff

I’m not crazy, right?

[storm prism]

yup they told me that's why i said it's a matter of preference if you read further

[manic stirrup]

yeah i was just saying your cleaves still get buffed with bonegrinder using ravager its not a bladestorm exclusive talent

[uncut pasture]

tried looking at this on mobile WCL, the cast and damage taken by Gnarlroot both were recorded at 7.788 (random log, not mine)

[wary raft]

yes, I dont think logs show the time of input like you have to go smack a dummy and watch

theyll show the damage event and the debuff happening at the same time bc those happen at the same time

[manic stirrup]

cs needs to strike the enemy for debuff

which is why if cs is parried u get no debuff

the “delay” is the same as any other ability in the game

[reef glade]

I like how if a spell like bb gets parried it doesn’t put bb on cd (I think) and also especially doesn’t consume s3 2set stack on it which is super nice

but cs is parried? Lmao fuck you idiot -50k dps gl on the next one in 30 seconds

I just vaguely recall having to spam bb 3 times in a row on fyrakk 2 days ago I’m pretty sure so that’s my assumption of it not being put on cd when parried

[wary raft]

dunno if u can answer this or not. but when I go to damage done -> timelines and (obviously) filter the ability. Does this show my input, or the damage event?

my assumption is damage event

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y9FgtqQhzmwDK2Mn#fight=6&type=auras&view=timeline&spells=debuffs&hostility=1&source=27&target=49 this log right here u can see almost 1/3 of a second between cast of CS -> application of debuff 3.601 cast; affected by debuff 3.924

I just grabbed r1 gnarlroot off of logs from the raid section so I am unsure if possibly this could be latency issue? Guy posted a log earlier with this not being the case so seems inconsistent

[manic stirrup]

idk

[wary raft]

my guess is its a latency thing

[outer holly]

gotta wait for the smash to smash

[wary raft]

because I play at a elevated latency and I feel it, but not super high latency

normally 70-110ms

[smoky kayak]

this is normal; CS is not buffed by its own debuff

[smoky kayak]

spells do go on cooldown when they're parried, but most have their resource costs refunded (not really important to Warriors); the S3 2p buff not being consumed is new tech specifically to reduce the impact of parries on limited high-value effects

[graceful axle]

parry good mechanic in 2024 👍

[smoky kayak]

it's a stupid mechanic, but we've been bitching and moaning about it for years now, and it's been brought up in several interviews as high as the game director himself

[graceful axle]

ye ive seen them as well

[smoky kayak]

we may not like it, but ultimately it's their game, they're gonna make it how they want - at least they're making some effort to reduce the impact though

[storm prism]

does Arms currently use Skullsplitter in raid?

nvm I just missed it in the guide

[potent portal]

Is there a spreadsheet for berserk rage application?

or a WA I guess

[teal fossil]

Anything that says fear

[frigid lava]

I keep throwing ravager on top of trees

:0

[uncut gazelle]

Did something happen on Raidbots or to arms that I missed? The 518k was from July 25th, the 492k is from tonight, I haven't changed anything other than adding two sockets to gear on the 492k.

Leggo axe on both builds

[fickle heath]

Somebody was talking about MS nerf or smth, maybe thats why 🤔 Im new here, just leveling my first warrior xD

[uncut gazelle]

Gotcha, missed the MS nerf, ty for ref

[fickle heath]

np!

[uncut tangle]

Important to note though, that the MS nerf is currently on beta but not on live. Sims are focused on tww not pre-patch

[slow saddle]

did nerfs change anything to our talent build ?

[boreal quartz]

no

[smoky kayak]

there have been a few beta changes and bug fixes, but nothing changed specifically for the live version of Warriors lately; that said, there are constant updates being made to SimC's backend (mainly work being done in preparation for TWW) which could(?) have influenced something

If you look on the right, you'll notice the two have different simc build dates, and while that encompasses all the changes that have been made (not just regarding Warrior), you can click the git hash to see a list of commits - it's likely something in there, though I couldn't really say what without taking a deep look myself

[strange perch]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-coffin-black-ghana-celebrating-gif-16743302

[elfin phoenix]

im a bit flabbergasted, am i reading wowhead right that warbreaker is not the default pick in aoe situations such as m+ ?

[lethal acorn]

You get a longer haste buff from in for the kill if you take blunt instruments

Also for M+/AoE builds I think it's worth taking either one point in critical thinking or getting finishing blows, so that you aren't rage-starved for exe phase on bosses

[slate rain]

is arms squishy relatively for a melee? in tww

thinkin about maining one for PVE

[lethal acorn]

Arms is better against burst damage, especially aoe, since they have the seasoned soldier passive which gives them built-in avoidance

Arms is squishier to DoTs than the other two warrior specs though

[hazy flower]

Than fury*

U cant compare tank to dps

[vague sedge]

Wait did they remove whirlwind from arms?

The tooltips of talents still say whirlwind

[arctic iris]

For a melee? No, it's one of the tankiest specs in the game in most situations when played properly.

It does take a slight nerf in TWW since we have less rage so we can't use Ignore Pain as freely, but you still have Impending Victory, Spell Reflection, and Defensive Stance, which are all insanely good.

It's squishier than Fury in some situations, but both specs are near the top of melee tankiness so that's not saying much

[arctic iris]

Cleave replaces Whirlwind

If you spec into it

[hazy flower]

I wouldnt call arms squishy, you have a couple of defensives incl 10% perma avoidance + can be 15% dr at all times (d stance). Iv is also useful against burst damage where you take multiple big hits + ip is extra shield for oneshots, just a bit nerfed for tww + stacking is sometimes impossible

[arctic iris]

Seasoned Soldier is taking a nerf in TWW, down to 5% avoidance

[hazy flower]

Kinda shit that its also been affected by the nerf

[arctic iris]

I'm not sure that Blizzard realizes it was there to make up for the fact that Arms doesn't get the stamina from a second 2h like Fury

[hazy flower]

Should be 10%

But oh well

[arctic iris]

Yeah, Arms survivability is so absolutely buckwild that there's plenty of room to nerf us and still have us be very hard to kill

If our utility wasn't total shit, I think Arms and Fury would have seen huge amounts of play in M+ in DF

[hazy flower]

Its not about utility tho

If you give arms big dam it’ll be played regardless of utility

[arctic iris]

We had the damage and we had the survivability, we just lost out to classes that had all three

[hazy flower]

Just like ret wasnt played much till it had big dam in s3

Even tho it has probably the best utility out of all dps specs

[slate rain]

is Arms in general good in tww m+ ?

[arctic iris]

Yeah, because utility alone isn't enough. You need all three

Ret was missing damage, warrior was missing utility, so neither saw much play

[arctic iris]

🔮

[hazy flower]

Well or just big dam even if 0 utility is enough

If survi is shit and util is shit but u do absurd damage

U’ll be played

Because people will play around you

[slate rain]

well in beta

[arctic iris]

They are still actively tuning the beta and making changes not just to Arms, but also to other classes/specs. Nobody has any idea what the meta will be look like

[slate rain]

oh

[hazy flower]

(Havoc in s3 and ppal babysitting havoc)

[arctic iris]

Like, less than a week ago they did massive tuning changes that I believe changed the damage of some specs by like 30%

Nothing is even close to finalized

Havoc has decent utility

It's not like it's the best utility in the game, but Darkness, Netherwalk, Imprison, and two AoE stops (three if you count Meta)

[hazy flower]

Havoc is squishy

Asf

It only has blur realistically

3min cd is way too big to play around it

You have some decent passive dr + demon muzzle + shield from blade dance but it cant solo survive high keys

You also can and somewhat had to play around meta immune which makes it not the easiest to survive

[arctic iris]

I'd argue Havoc isn't squishy, it just isn't super tanky

It feels squishy relative to, like, mage

But it's pretty average, maybe even very slightly above average depending on incoming damage patterns

[hazy flower]

Shockwave = chaos nova, meta stun quite often just fucks you up because it dr’s mobs early on + I guess the sigil of misery is ok

I mean sure havoc is tanky vs rot damage but squishy vs oneshots

[arctic iris]

The problem with Shockwave was that it was fucking awful to spec into it because of how much it cost you

Fury could do it, but it really hurt for Arms

And you were competing with specs that had AoE stops that were a lot more free, and on a DR that wasn't so heavily saturated

[hazy flower]

Its annoying but its still speccable

Its still there

[arctic iris]

Arms utility basically boiled down to Rally (was never that strong and then got nerfed), Shockwave (cost you a bunch of damage), and... that's basically it? I guess you could take Intim Shout, but that was also costly and had a pretty long CD. Once in a while you could spell reflect something big but in most dungeons there was little to nothing

And, starting from S2, not having a way to deal with Incorp put more pressure on the rest of your group.

[hazy flower]

Intim shout wasnt costly though

[thick kelp]

goated row ngl

[hazy flower]

It was vastly underused by warriors even though its still a (capped) aoe stop

That always stopped your primary target

• due to the nature of the stop its never dr’d

[arctic iris]

I guess I was kind of conflating Intim Shout with taking Menace(?) which made it work on Incorp

I guess taking it alone was more reasonable since it cost 1 point instead of 2

[hazy flower]

U didnt need menace for incorp

[arctic iris]

It still felt worse to take than the AoE stops of most other classes, which either cost less or had shorter cds

[hazy flower]

U just couldnt mindlessly solo it without menace

[arctic iris]

We're warriors, we're all mindless

[boreal quartz]

never gna pick the decurse tbh

also walhe is now level 25 raids coming later today

[arctic iris]

I think Walhe meant the row above that

[boreal quartz]

i mean every other talent is usable

even the TC slow

[arctic iris]

Spell reflect is already one of the best defensives in the game, adding basically anything else decent on the same row and it gets nutty

[manic stirrup]

its one of the squishiest specs

[thick kelp]

[latent hull]

You dont lose a lot of dps speccing into fear but the problem is the fear is target capped

[manic stirrup]

it isnt completely unliveable its just worse than a ton of other stuff

utility is soooo fake

the only time utility isnt fake is when the timer isnt real which is why you bring aug for every key

if the timer is real utility is fake because you need damage

[manic stirrup]

based

[boreal quartz]

I need to find a distinguished mog got it though

Maybe just s2 elite

[thick kelp]

[thick kelp]

Philwar is ToS mixed with a dk set

[boreal quartz]

Philwar irl is currently in the brickshitter mog

[boreal quartz]

I can put walhe in that fullset

[thick kelp]

Brickshitter mog still there

[boreal quartz]

Incl the belt

[thick kelp]

Bro the belt is so qq

no luck

[boreal quartz]

Brickshitter goes crazy whah can I say

Bro try the antorus legs

Especially if u have lfr ones

Also crafted boots > pvp boots i think

The Red fire not the purple one

[thick kelp]

holy antorus lfr goes hard

[boreal quartz]

It is so much better than only mythic

[boreal quartz]

Do you have 80 honor mode arms wep

Also the dark tcg wep also does dece with this, tmy used it every now n then

[arctic iris]

I don't know that I'd agree with that, at least in the context of S2. There were plenty of specs that were much squishier, it's just that they didn't see play because in the right comp, you don't need amazing survivability, just average, and those specs did not reach that bar.

Off the top of my head, specs that were squishier in S2: enh, ele, boomkin, and to a lesser extent Shadow. Maybe feral and surv as well but I know almost nothing about either one so I'm happy to be corrected on those two

(Shadow obviously saw play in spite of that because of MD, fort, and PI)

[thick kelp]

Nah I nly have honor 10

[boreal quartz]

Also wrath pvp faceguard

Im at honor 61 grinding to 80

Cuz i only do arenas till elite into afk

[thick kelp]

didnt even do elite for s3

:xdd

Gonna stop slacking in tww

[boreal quartz]

I did for s2 s3

Didnt do s1 didnt play war then

[thick kelp]

only got s2

[boreal quartz]

Cuz it was so turbo horrible

Pre rework

[thick kelp]

did u mean hateful glad?

[boreal quartz]

Then picked it up again mid s2

[manic stirrup]

you named 6 specs, there are like 32 or something

its definitely one of the squishiest

[boreal quartz]

Or the brownish one

Not hateful

[manic stirrup]

also i agree you dont need every class to be tanky

[manic stirrup]

some classes (like spriest) are so insanely op you bring them

you WILL make them live

[boreal quartz]

Nah

[manic stirrup]

like surv in s3/4 of shadowlands

[boreal quartz]

If u go to hateful under the select

[manic stirrup]

you made it work bc the class was so good

[boreal quartz]

There's an "honor" tab

Check that color

[thick kelp]

the first one was honor colour

[arctic iris]

There's not 32 dps specs, though

And I did not name all of the ones that are squishier than havoc

[boreal quartz]

Well the difficulty toggle on that ssn

[boreal quartz]

There's a brown one

Might be pvp rare

I dont remember

[thick kelp]

ah ye rare

[boreal quartz]

YES

THAZ ONE

[thick kelp]

hm

[boreal quartz]

You can get ur from the usual vendor

I think

[boreal quartz]

Got the dawgs out

[thick kelp]

philfeet1

[boreal quartz]

Philfoottwo

[boreal quartz]

Still can go onslaught reskin gloves tbf

But on a dwarf or so

The antorus boots are so hard

[thick kelp]

need to up my mog game

ngl

[boreal quartz]

Im about at 100/127

[vague sedge]

Does anyone else think arms feels worse in the prepatch?

[boreal quartz]

It does

[storm prism]

I think it takes time to adjust to not using battlelord but once you're used to it it's better imo

It does still have issues with rage though. I feel like I always either have too much or not enough. But that's always been an issue.

[lethal acorn]

I think it feels better than dragonflight arms but worse than shadowlands arms

you have to adjust your talents or get more crit% for any rage issues

[lethal acorn]

Doesn't make what I said any less true

[lethal acorn]

Sure, but if you go Colossus you'll be tankier with the 2.5% damage reduction on top of the passive at least

[storm prism]

Not being able dispel afflicted/incorp, not being able to knock out of sanguine or use shockwave as a stop during sanguine, and the overall lack of externals to help your group all beg to differ.

The only time util doesn't matter is if you're doing baby keys

[lethal acorn]

Arms has hidden utility for offtanking, if the tank dies or is about to die you can Die by the Sword and tank auto attacks for 8 seconds

No other dps gets a 100% parry chance

[storm prism]

That's why fire was meta even though the DPS was meh. Cheat death + the ability to handle EVERYTHING made them perfect for M+.

[storm prism]

Nope but paladins get a bubble and more util while doing more damage and being able to off heal.

[lethal acorn]

Yeah but arms is a cooler class fantasy

Great general who can win any fight with just mastery of two handers, can make their opponents bleed out from just one precise strike

[storm prism]

I agree but rule of cool stops being relevant in 15s.

[lethal acorn]

I play an undead arms warrior so I'm not a fan of pallies

I outdamaged Ret Paladins last two expansions as well but I've been playing Arms since WoD so maybe I outskilled 'em

[storm prism]

Ain't no way you beat a ret in AoE. Single target maybe, but Wings + Final Wreck + Divine Storm is crazy in AoE. Would have to be a shitter paladin to lose to an arms warrior. But those are common so I guess it's believable.

[lethal acorn]

Downplaying my skill tbh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5Z0HReWQAQSvhu?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5Z0IibWEAEtXux?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

In shadowlands season 1, I was rank 1 on my server for my spec in m+

My new name is Drossarms but it's the same character

[boreal quartz]

@xerkbeaz 👃

@median jolt ping failure

[boreal quartz]

Arms does good damage in aoe

[lethal acorn]

Arms is just hard to play compared to the other warrior specs, so it has a higher skill floor and ceiling than people think

[boreal quartz]

lol

[storm prism]

Good but not as good as Ret

[lethal acorn]

It's at least an above average difficulty spec to min/max and parse well on

[boreal quartz]

No

To parse you play a 123 rotation and just crit

[storm prism]

Yeah calling arms difficult is wild

[lethal acorn]

Nah, you have to hit the right button at the right time and think ahead, like Archimitros said

[lethal acorn]

Difficult relative to the other Warrior specs

[boreal quartz]

What other specs did you play and are you comparing with

[lethal acorn]

I'm comparing it to just the other warrior specs

It's not as hard as Rogue or Arcane mage

[frigid lava]

Hmmm... some traditional range players struggle with melee specs in general.

[lethal acorn]

Above average diffiulty isn't as hard as you think I'm implying Arms is

[boreal quartz]

(arcane famously very easy)

[storm prism]

I play all 3 mage specs. The easiest one (frost) has more nuance and skill req than arms.

[lethal acorn]

But Arms is hard when compared to Fury or Prot

[lethal acorn]

I only compared it to the other warrior specs

[frigid lava]

I felt fury was harder than arms in s3

[lethal acorn]

Fury takes more dexterity but Arms takes more brain power

Unless Arms has a big haste build for the current season then it's both for Arms

[boreal quartz]

Neither are hard

Like at all

[frigid lava]

I felt rage starved... and didnt like having to worry about ww stack and what not.

it was hella annoying

that's why i started playing arms

[lethal acorn]

Arms is hard compared to Fury

[boreal quartz]

No

Both are free

[lethal acorn]

It isn't builder/spender

[boreal quartz]

It is

[lethal acorn]

It's choose wisely

[lethal acorn]

Delusional take, Fury is like a 2/10, Arms is at least a 6

[boreal quartz]

You never had any problems affording spenders all of df

[lethal acorn]

When playing optimally at least

[boreal quartz]

Fury is a 2 arms is a 3, 5 max if you include ToM fatal mark

[lethal acorn]

You can play Arms wrong and find it easy

[boreal quartz]

Arcane is a 4 fwiw

[lethal acorn]

Sure

[dire hinge]

i'd agree that it's easier to hurt your dps as arms compared to fury.
That's not to say either of the are necessarily difficult

[lethal acorn]

That's what I mean

[boreal quartz]

The difficulty in wow is always in the content you do not the classes you play

[lethal acorn]

Like the downtime on Arms is punishing, if you make a mistake you feel it 15 seconds later

Fury is just build rage and spend rage

Prot is not hard outside of tank-specific challenges

[boreal quartz]

@gaunt owl i dont even know anymore man

[lethal acorn]

Arms is the big brain of warrior specs, that was my only argument

[boreal quartz]

Masterful bait

[storm prism]

Prot is hardest spec on warrior tbh

[lethal acorn]

Only if you factor in tanking in M+ but I was comparing rotations

Arms hardest of the 3 rotations

[storm prism]

Yeah this is bait

[lethal acorn]

???

[median jolt]

Brotherman

[dire hinge]

difficulty can be contextual per-person.
If arms is hard for someone, then its hard for them. You don't need to put them down over it, or dismiss their opinion on it.

[lethal acorn]

Arms isn't hard for me, I'm saying that it's harder out of the three warrior specs

I've been playing it since WoD

[lethal acorn]

This is true though, everyone has preferred playstyles so they can percieve difficulty differently

[manic stirrup]

it doesnt matter which is the hardest if its 3 if the easiest specs

theyre all piss easy who cares

[lethal acorn]

Lower half maybe but warrior isn't the easiest class as a whole when you have Pallies and Hunters in the game

[dire hinge]

To each their own, i see folks struggle with BM.

[manic stirrup]

id argue warrior as a class is easier thab paladin as a class

ret is on the same level of fury

[lethal acorn]

I guess if you factor in healing since Holy Pally

[lethal acorn]

True

[dire hinge]

mastering it requires a lot more externals on other players, it's a different flavor of difficulty

🪄 it's all a spectrum

[lethal acorn]

Yeah, Hrothmar is correct

[boreal quartz]

my doc said im on the spectrum

[manic stirrup]

my doc said i exceed the spectrum

ratio

[dire hinge]

hell yeah

[boreal quartz]

i am lying for content

[dire hinge]

i escaped the spectrum
(switched ISPs)

[storm prism]

Indeed

[manic stirrup]

dude i lie so much

i have to actually stop bc ppl dont believe me anymore

[boreal quartz]

really?

[manic stirrup]

[dusty summit]

who knows, maybe he was lying about that as well

[boreal quartz]

hed never lie

[manic stirrup]

i literally said “im gonna stop lying so much” and my homie said he didnt believe me

LMAO

[boreal quartz]

he told me fury was a 8/10 difficulty spec afterall

[dusty summit]

[boreal quartz]

i believe the brown man in riggs guild

[manic stirrup]

no longer rigg guild

[boreal quartz]

did doordash poach you

[hazy flower]

🤨

Word

[manic stirrup]

am getting farmed by gromnak

[boreal quartz]

WAIT THE BANNER IS GONE

BRO

@manic stirrup

????

[manic stirrup]

no more nitro

[boreal quartz]

cringe service tbf

[manic stirrup]

it was either nitro or eat lunch 1 bonus time

[storm prism]

Wasn't meant to be an insult just a statement

[manic stirrup]

ill get it back eventually

[lethal acorn]

I only play the Arms spec because debuffing the enemy is

[boreal quartz]

but you could kekw someone who grey logs endbosses though

(me)

[manic stirrup]

i also grey log end bosses its fine

[boreal quartz]

ye i got a grey on my first ce

i killed myself in p3 and lost all jugg

[wary raft]

[boreal quartz]

bro my char looks so beans if u dont check s3 onwards

[manic stirrup]

i got hard carried on my first ce

[manic stirrup]

world 1600 to world 25

[boreal quartz]

then less shite but still ass

and awakened doesnt count anyways

[manic stirrup]

my character is beans

[boreal quartz]

I LOVE EXTERNALS!!!!

nukes log is fucking disgusting there man

[manic stirrup]

i almlst had r1 kazzara but was like 1k dps behind a guy that got double pi

[boreal quartz]

3 min p3

[boreal quartz]

i got 10k on the next without pi so its ait

r1 bossdam too

bro i got r1 bossdam on tindral on sunday for some reason

[manic stirrup]

i think i also had a r2 nelth at some point

and i couldnt beat garms on sark

[boreal quartz]

garm padfreak extraordinary

[manic stirrup]

no rank 1 tho am noob

[boreal quartz]

my best shot at one got justloverd

[manic stirrup]

actually i got rank 1 gnarlroot

but thats because i was literally the only arms warrior to do the fight when it locked in

[boreal quartz]

bro tmys prenerf fyrakk

is still a 0

[latent hull]

I got 97 parse on gnarloot but i died at like 5% hp

Was fucking sadge

[manic stirrup]

rip

[boreal quartz]

right @dull siren

greylogger

[manic stirrup]

holy

[boreal quartz]

only kill lookin ahh

[latent hull]

I wonder what wouldve happened if i didnt die

[boreal quartz]

2% is a lot of damage

sometimes

[manic stirrup]

i didnt even get fyrakk ce

[boreal quartz]

but also how do you die to gnarl omegalul

@manic stirrupgood song choice

🫡

[manic stirrup]

thanks

she showed it to me

[latent hull]

This was mythic and like i just died to pure dmg half the raid was ded no healing

[manic stirrup]

and now shes on her honeymoon with him

[boreal quartz]

do you want a diff song

[wary raft]

o7

[boreal quartz]

https://open.spotify.com/intl-de/track/3oZUlZMXkj51AyYG8lGaE7?si=ce4a60e895ce4d70 @manic stirrup

this one good

[hazy flower]

I was so sleepy on my first gnarl I just walked through the mid

And forgot it does dam

[boreal quartz]

i was forced to mage 1 reclear for int buff

[manic stirrup]

ok i listen

[boreal quartz]

and i was so mad abt it and losing vault on war

[hazy flower]

I wish

[boreal quartz]

i just ran it down

so i died to gnarl

[median jolt]

Xerkmage soloes endboss average philwar greylog experience

[boreal quartz]

vulrez self insert

inc

[hazy flower]

Myrtblast raid adventures

[latent hull]

This was s3

[boreal quartz]

s3 i just had lego week 3

freeest logs

ever

[manic stirrup]

i still dont have leggo

[latent hull]

This was 10.2.5 so

[manic stirrup]

s4 parsing is over for me

[latent hull]

HOW

[manic stirrup]

didnt play most of s3

[latent hull]

I got it early february

[median jolt]

Look at that SE ontop

[manic stirrup]

and i just dont care enough in s4 to get it

[latent hull]

Like february 4th or something

[latent hull]

Its a tmog

Also why did u play s4 and not s3

[median jolt]

Tmog is the true CE

[manic stirrup]

guild died in s3

i did some keys early s4 and now guild back

so must play

[boreal quartz]

right @median jolt🐀

[median jolt]

Delete bottom line

[dull siren]

Saj

[median jolt]

Ty

[boreal quartz]

this the one where u got griefed

[dull siren]

Gonna raid now @boreal quartz

[boreal quartz]

on soak

[boreal quartz]

good luck i hope u log grey again

xx

@median jolt

cancer jumpscare

[median jolt]

So every raid then

[dull siren]

my only public log

NORMAL RAID

[median jolt]

Raaah

[boreal quartz]

btw tmy i need LFR traders

for kazzaras

u wanna come

[dull siren]

Normal is the real bracket

[median jolt]

I got my pala surely its geared enougg

[dull siren]

Mythic is to easy

[median jolt]

Wait i got my dk to trade with too

[boreal quartz]

wasnt hc ur endgame

at some point

[manic stirrup]

bro u suck at council

[boreal quartz]

i was always trash at hc

[dull siren]

I have rank 1 council on my other warrior

[manic stirrup]

god that fight was so fun during lust and then complete aids

[dull siren]

622k Arms

OMEGALUL

[manic stirrup]

oh based

[boreal quartz]

i fucking hate council

so much

ong

id say

council>tindral>zkarn top 3 worst

[dull siren]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xgrt1MwC6dRHKBqW#fight=29&type=damage-done

[boreal quartz]

of the expac

[dull siren]

UNLISTED LOG

[median jolt]

Dont you love randomly jumping away boss

[manic stirrup]

omegagapped by shadow

tough

[hazy flower]

Miss the weekly hc at the start

When we were

[manic stirrup]

zskarn is the worst boss ever

[hazy flower]

Demolishing bosses

[manic stirrup]

god damn that boss sucks dick

[boreal quartz]

council with non human tanks

transforms me into gromnak

irl

[dull siren]

I mean, Split Cleave vs 2T by being ranged

[boreal quartz]

ye i been workin cuz you dogs raided at 18 server

[manic stirrup]

to be fair we also got fucked bc we killed it before wall strat was relevant

[boreal quartz]

and im not even home

@dull sirendo you remember when u were mad in my dms over magmorax prog

wait i can find it

[dull siren]

No

DONT HAVE TO FIND IT

I was in DH Prison

Zskarn was so boring into Nelth on DH where I had sark cloak and I didn't get external when I asked for it

[dull siren]

and blew up

[boreal quartz]

asscancer origins

[storm prism]

We killed mythic council first try and then spent two weeks on Nymue.
Make it make sense.

[dull siren]

xdd

fucking the squares

[boreal quartz]

that weakaura

actual vietnam flashbacks

[silk spade]

🫃

[median jolt]

😭

[boreal quartz]

im so glad the boss was free on fated

my mental wouldve shattered

[dull siren]

Our nelth prog

was really clean

tbh

Zskarn was bad

Magmorax was bad

[boreal quartz]

compared to magmo

forsure

[median jolt]

Zskarn was good because i tanked it

[boreal quartz]

did u lose to method that tier btw i forgor

[median jolt]

And then i was back to dps and it went downhill

[dull siren]

ye

I mean, I got put on DH

Wish I was warrior

but we had ppl quit 1month b4 the tier started

actual demons

[boreal quartz]

8 warris in the drain

down*

@median jolt

😸

[median jolt]

Now show tindral

Oh wait

[boreal quartz]

first blood king

[median jolt]

Any beamers

[boreal quartz]

i swear this is rigged

[median jolt]

☠️

[boreal quartz]

at least sik is on it too

big t

[median jolt]

Tank smash my beloved

And he didnt even get the kill

[boreal quartz]

why does it show my remix guy

lol

[boreal quartz]

t didnt or

you mean me

[median jolt]

Tman was away so i tanked the day it died

[boreal quartz]

:tf:

[dull siren]

@boreal quartz No external forces so far good raid

[boreal quartz]

very nice

no fury in grp for spear

[frigid lava]

Haven't seen a strong caster this week...

range*

Mages get invited for dps then they all underperform.

like terrible.

[sharp wyvern]

cant possibly tuning