arms

[visual fern]

Yah for sure

Just big fan of brainstorming

Big passion

[smoky kayak]

sure, we all love dentstorming around here

but this started as a practical conversation and turned into a game of make believe

[rare kite]

would be cool tho, i personally wouldn't mind a full arms redesign

[thick kelp]

Dent chefs 1 and 2 @fresh spire 🤝

[visual fern]

I blame @thick kelp this rat

[gaunt owl]

scrap everything to rebuild

[visual fern]

He goaded me into walking off the bridge

[thick kelp]

Caught

[visual fern]

[smoky kayak]

everyone wants one, until they see it and decide it's worse than what they had

[visual fern]

I do think having MP affect execute and adjusting around that would be a healthier base to build up from moving fwd and not a ground up redesign level of change

[gaunt owl]

blizzard lost all the good dev anyway

[rare kite]

someone is gonna complain either way, can be "objectively" better and people still complain

[snow flame]

I just want BOTE

[visual fern]

Since that basically puts us at legion arms (lite)

[thick kelp]

changed spear basically bote

[gaunt owl]

[snow flame]

can’t wait to go earthen and to eat rocks though

[thick kelp]

eat DN

[snow flame]

I’ll truly be a warrior

[smoky kayak]

having MP affect Execute would devalue MS even further though

[visual fern]

How so?

Not saying it won't, more I possibly overlooked something

[boreal quartz]

earthen armor passive does not count for armored to the teeth

incoming

[smoky kayak]

Because Execute is already used ahead of MS

[rare kite]

I mean MP would feed into EP no? or am i missing something, if it affected exe that is

[smoky kayak]

it's stronger and more rage efficient, with MS only being used once it's juiced

MP going into Execute would just double down on that

Backing up, what's the issue that you're trying to solve?

[visual fern]

Sec lemme pull up the sim rq

Kinda big opener, big dip, then peak w/ CDs + demolish in execute
But this is raid so you can have the full talent investment for that profile

In M+ (I think it was turbo or fish who said) that execute just feels out of place, low value etc since you can't have said investment

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4sEdEwsbXZ3wL4QZ74UAMK/simc

@thick kelp might have the other sims on hand

[snow flame]

I think execute could be good in mists

[lethal acorn]

Can you get spec roles in this discord or no?

[smoky kayak]

ok but what's the problem

[snow flame]

They won’t do that

Copium

[visual fern]

Looking for a way to have an immediate, up front impact w/ execute since right now without the full investment - it doesn't have a place in M+
Execute sniping doesn't seem to have a reason in current beta key levels

Not necessarily a problem, but (to me) execute sniping not having value seems kinda

Eh

[smoky kayak]

the reason I ask is because the alternative to dips and valleys is just a flat dps line, and people always complain about that too

[gaunt owl]

you didnt use the latest

[visual fern]

And as you said, I could be pushing my personal vision of arms with this

But fury also not really having value big prio on execute got me thinking

[visual fern]

Yah I just used w.e walhe sent me

[boreal quartz]

is this with todays cooks

[snow flame]

Didn’t BOTE have another effect that spear didn’t

[boreal quartz]

the work toilet shitter idea

[gaunt owl]

[boreal quartz]

the ravager stuff

with the 35 timer

[visual fern]

If both fury and arms don't seem to have a reason to snipe executes in cleave/aoe without further investment than they can currently take, I take that as either a tuning or design problem

[smoky kayak]

sorry I had to take a quick call

[visual fern]

If I had to put it succinctly

[smoky kayak]

I guess the question is whether sniping execute is good gameplay or just fun gameplay?

[boreal quartz]

good and fun (EP should buff ur MS not debuff ur enemy)

[smoky kayak]

i.e. is it something that high level players consider fun when it's worth doing
or it is something that should be encouraged at all levels of gameplay?

because I feel like those are two very different questions with very different impacts across the game

[snow flame]

Encourage it!

[visual fern]

Well that would depend who you ask and what they think warrior should be

[smoky kayak]

exactly

[visual fern]

I can only speak for myself, hence

Replace arms w/ warrior

[smoky kayak]

ultimately someone (the devs) make a decision though

[rare kite]

aye, that goes for everything in the game

[fresh spire]

hi

[smoky kayak]

and I think they will generally lean toward whatever is the most straightforward/least invasive for everyone, which is probably "execute sniping is ok in moderation but probably shouldn't be too heavily encouraged in order to keep the skill floor low"

[fresh spire]

thats it we're telling them to buff slam

slam needs to do more dps than ms

i want it to be a single button rotation

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1042139795595468810/20221115_135144.gif

no bias at all

[rare kite]

that's kinda what they went for now right? surely that's why EP doesn't buff cleave unlike MP

[boreal quartz]

i love that gif man

[fresh spire]

i need to make one for ravager

for execute 😄

the software i made it with on mobile doesnt work anymore for some reason

[gaunt owl]

the execute dream

[smoky kayak]

just to give some perspective, my short term viewpoint is on talent balance

• the issue right now being that Battlelord/Fatality aren't worth using. Some people (who don't care for Fatality or MS reset gameplay) will consider this a positive, but I consider it a negative in the sense that it reduces gameplay variety and talent options
  So my feedback has largely revolved around increasing the value of unbuffed Mortal Strikes relative to the value of buffed ones, in order to make those resets more worthwhile; buffing EP is counterproductive to that

that's purely a short term problem/goal analysis though

[visual fern]

Fair - I agree. But at what point does it start becoming too straightforward and non invasive?
Imo some skill expression should be encouraged/rewarded

From my current understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that barely exists - within the scope of this convo w/ execute sniping
You can talent into a more execute-snipe invested playstyle, at the cost of doing sizeably less damage

But then it becomes a 4fun playstyle and not encouraging/rewarding skill expression

And if I'm wrong - well moot point, I'll concede

It's a hard balance admittedly and I wouldn't know where the fine tuning point is immediately

[smoky kayak]

But at what point does it start becoming too straightforward and non invasive
this is hard to answer, and another place where I think everyone will have a bit of a different viewpoint, but I think in general WoW isn't really built as a high skill expression game

not that what we're discussing is really the pinnacle of skill expression, I'm just saying

[visual fern]

It's still 1 extra thing for someone to keep track of, mental bandwidth and all

Which I get

[smoky kayak]

I think the fact that stuff like Execute sniping usually involves mouseover macros, alternative target focusing, and other bits of "tribal knowledge" that aren't always apparent to players is another point of consideration

Frenzy for Fury is a problem because it really encourages you not to target swap, even if you should
but it's also true that focusing Execute too much can be problematic in that it encourages you to target swap, even if you shouldn't

e.g. Council of Dreams - Ursos is already dying, Pip is in Africa at 50% health still (an aggrandization, since that target should already be <35% by that point anyway, but I'm just setting up a simple hypothetical here)

or pick some other fight where one target starts dying and a newer higher priority one comes out

[snow flame]

God Council of dreams is ass

[visual fern]

I thought about that, the macro/target frame/other tribal gameplay

I couldn't find a reason for

If they're designing fights with the Weakauras arms race in mind (macro weakauras, private auras for example) at the detriment of the more casual raiding guilds
Seems shortsighted to not also consider the tribal-info arms race when it comes to class design/balance

Other than they just choose not to or can't for whichever problematic reason is affecting them
Which is their prerogative but then also our right to point of the lack of consistent philosophy

[smoky kayak]

the private aura shit is ass

though tbf, the people making one decision are not necessarily the people making the other - I doubt class devs are involved in private aura encounter shit

[gaunt owl]

the one that came up with private aura just hate mythic raiding

[opal folio]

Based

[fresh spire]

god damn the private aura class dev ruining warrior

[gaunt owl]

instead of doing a mechanic like Mekkatorque they do half assed stuff

[fresh spire]

private auras have just been a massive failure, to the point that people make 3 auras instead to get around the aura which causes even more headaches

[smoky kayak]

it's symptomatic of the arms race between encounter devs trying to make new and interesting or challenging mechanics and players trying to easily "solve" them

but I agree, private auras were a failure in that regard

[visual fern]

I don't think they are the same team or even have input with each other, just the seemingly unintentional lack of uniformity in design/philosophy across the board gets at me

[fresh spire]

smolder is such a good example

[visual fern]

And maybe that's a me problem to get used to

[smoky kayak]

I don't think the devs are wrong for wanting to curtail it, but the way they chose was... very not great

[visual fern]

[fresh spire]

found a means to track debuff from THREAT

so they just used that instead

sure private areas are good right

[gaunt owl]

WA people are just build different

[fresh spire]

but if they was to make such simple thinks not so simple would be better

[dire hinge]

i just want high-contrast swirlies by default.

[gaunt owl]

remember when they solved the Dreadlord amongus

[fresh spire]

not making fyrakk intermission a headache of luck that your team all dont be stupid idiots

[smoky kayak]

The perhaps unfortunate reality is that this game is filled with extremely smart and dedicated players who will always look for the easy way to solve something

but I think the real failure of private auras wasn't trying to make them private

it was trying to make them private and requiring the amount of quick coordination that players are used to depending on addons to solve

[dire hinge]

exactly

[fresh spire]

when the asians worked out how to find the route in mists after first door

[visual fern]

Yep

[smoky kayak]

e.g. Nelth circles, Fyrakk intermission

[fresh spire]

nelth circles after the 5th was removed made the mechanic a meme

which honestly should have been like it from start or much smaller

[dire hinge]

Nelth Bombs would be pretty fun still if they bombs were staggered in their application so you knew which corner to run to, even with their original sizes/count

[fresh spire]

could have easily made the fire on ground the brain check

[smoky kayak]

this is very apt, because the reason it worked on Mekkatorque is because the encounter didn't ask players to do anything else during that mechanic - it was literally a pause in the fight where you do nothing else, giving you plenty of time to communicate, coordinate, and complete the mechanic

[fresh spire]

even to this day i have no idea what the fuck this intermission does

[smoky kayak]

meanwhile you have shit like Jailer/Nelth bombs or Smolderon orbs that are happening simultaneously with other mechanics

[gaunt owl]

but doing it fast was rewarding too

we had the best system in my guild to call the color

[smoky kayak]

it was, but you still got plenty of time to do it

[gaunt owl]

it took us less than 5 seconds

[smoky kayak]

But like Nelth/Jailer bombs... you can't delay those to figure it out

Smolderon orbs you kind of can, though the more you delay the harder it makes everything else

[gaunt owl]

when Smoldy boy had 4 orbs it was challenging

and duration was longer too

[smoky kayak]

but yeah, I think private auras were conceptualized for a good reason, but used to solve the wrong problem

the problem is that players feel like they don't have the time or capability to solve these problems on their own, as quickly as the game is asking them to
Private auras don't help with that, they just double down on it

[fresh spire]

orbs lasting into intermission hurt

[visual fern]

Also back to your original point

I do agree that Fatality and BL should have some relevance even if I don't like them
Fatality is its mess - no clue other than just buffing it due to how it's coded

Couldn't a bandaid fix to BL just be another MS modifier (crit/dam/critdam)? Or increase the reset chance
Buffing base MS also does the same thing to all the other MS interactive talents

Unhinged/EP/EB + w.e various multipliers

[honest sail]

Hi, i'm a noob to WOW. Currently Level 63 Warrior on WOW Catalysm, so don't make fun of me if i ask stupid questions

[dire hinge]

like ignore pain used offensively

[fresh spire]

turn Battlelord into mortal combo

👀

[visual fern]

Turn EB to mortal combo

[smoky kayak]

no promises!

[fresh spire]

nah run both

MS only

[smoky kayak]

j/k welcome, but you should know that this discord is primarily for Retail, as opposed to Classic

[snow flame]

I hated this so much

[visual fern]

I miss it

[fresh spire]

no excuse to die with 100% cd on ignore pain tho

[visual fern]

For the wrong reasons

[fresh spire]

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, it was a bandaid to solve a problem, and it worked but it just hid the underlying condition

[visual fern]

It made button presses in your CS window matter

2x IP 2x ww felt good to pull off

[dire hinge]

we do have a list of Classic discord servers here: https://www.wowhead.com/discord-servers
I only see a Catalysm server listed for EU (not North America), but you may find better insights there, as Archimtiros mentioned

[fresh spire]

you see this

i like this

[visual fern]

Yah EB like this and battlelord lil bump up I'd be down for

[fresh spire]

kill fatality

[visual fern]

Battlelord rn is kinda just EB with extra steps

[fresh spire]

put this instead

[smoky kayak]

Fatality is mostly just a tuning/scaling issue, would require some work for them to fix, but not really hard per se

You're absolutely right that adding some kind of modifier to BL could fix its issue - ultimately everything is a matter of tuning, but it also means another stacking modifier lol

[fresh spire]

kill blunt then at the same time

[visual fern]

Yeah and me

Irl

[fresh spire]

dont you like RNG ontop of your RNG based rotation ?

[visual fern]

I had an 84% CS uptime guardian pull

Tank died last pylon to "I can solo tank this"

https://tenor.com/bkhTF.gif

[fresh spire]

always when the best log tank dies

and you auto agro and get slapped instantly

[smoky kayak]

fwiw, I think these are good conversations to have - there aren't any easy answers, particularly because not everyone will agree on what they think the spec/gameplay should be

[dire hinge]

[fresh spire]

[gaunt owl]

rework Arms

scrap everything

[smoky kayak]

everyone wants something different and that's fine, as long as everyone is willing to understand that they won't necessarily get exactly what they want at the expense of others

Class design is very much one of those "greatest good for the greatest number of people" deals

[dire hinge]

bring back explosive and make healers unable to target them

[fresh spire]

let me target it with a heroic throw macro tho

explosive was a healing mechanic

if they didnt kill it

they healed it

[gaunt owl]

i'm so glad they scrapped those affix

to finally have insane tuning when going higher

[rare kite]

make it a boss mechanic on 2nd boss mists

already made last boss ass, why not the 2nd as well

[smoky kayak]

unpopular opinion, I kinda like Storming and Entangling

[gaunt owl]

Storming was 100% skill issue

[smoky kayak]

that's why I like it

[gaunt owl]

Entangling whats that ? 😄

[visual fern]

Storming was based

[gaunt owl]

but Storming was really frustrating after a week

[visual fern]

Entangling was fine after they fixed the bug where trolls got CCd faster

[sharp wyvern]

if storming didnt give mobs more hp i would agree

[smoky kayak]

entangling was easy, but that's also why I like it - they're both something you play around, but are also easy to solve, whether it's holding a button for them or just reacting

[visual fern]

Get tangled 20% faster

[gaunt owl]

thats a feature

[dire hinge]

my only complaint with storming was that it still had visual contrast issues with the floor, even after the update to make it more differentiated from other in-dungeon tornados

but visual accessibility has never been WoW's forte

[rare kite]

is that really an unpopular opinion? entangling is an affix you notice but don't mind, perfect affix imo

[smoky kayak]

for entangling probably no, storming maybe

some people really hated it for some reason, I always thought it was ez

[dire hinge]

outside of it maybe launching you into a deadly ability, it was largely ignorable too

"oh no i got hit" mk, mild annoyance 90% of the time

[outer holly]

pop goes the weasel affix was the best when it wasn't yourself

[latent moss]

your battlelord reset mortal strike has an X% chance to apply cs

[rare kite]

can probably count on my hands the amount of times storming has killed me, generally it's fine. will say it feels ass when it does kill you tho. could be deadly in s1 df temple of the jade serpent for example(first boss)

[latent moss]

evil affix

it exists for the sole purpose of pissing you off

and nothing else

it doesnt do shit its just annoying and when it kills you

you want to punch your monitor and eat your keyboard

[outer holly]

for me it was storming into the eagle dive in brh

or w/e those duelists aoe stuns were called

[smoky kayak]

I actually went out of my way to eat them sometimes

[fresh spire]

they could easily make some masterpiece hotpocket steak bake

[latent moss]

oh yeah that double/triple pull

[smoky kayak]

just so ranged could plant

[fresh spire]

that the OP reset on ms makes the next hit twice instead of rage

[latent moss]

they can do a lot with blord

[dire hinge]

especially with bladestorm rolling yeah, was nice

[latent moss]

to increase its power

instead of op damage increased by 35%

[fresh spire]

nah never op

they be better off just giving flat damage to MS than op

no proc based damage just like 5-10% flat

[latent moss]

10% crit damage

ms officially has 328 impales

[fresh spire]

nah 10% flat fuck crit

we already got like 4 nodes giving crit damage

one we don't even use in colossus

[latent moss]

make ms like chaos bolt

[fresh spire]

[latent moss]

[fresh spire]

warlocks are loud

dont make us like warlocks 😦

[rare kite]

make fatal mark like chaos bolt

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/volume-gif-21079152

warlock voice coms be like

[latent moss]

then they would just tune the damage down

[rare kite]

ye but that's fine, atleast it scales off more than haste/vers then

[latent moss]

yeah i wish it actually scaled

with something

[smoky kayak]

that's the issue with it, and TBH I'm fairly certain is more of an oversight rather than actual intent

[rare kite]

it not being affected by mastery has to be an oversight, it's so weird

[smoky kayak]

not critting is 100% intentional, because you don't want a one-time hit having a big swing like that
not being affected by mastery is weird though, since MS applies it, there's virtually no likelihood it will ever not be active

not benefitting from the class scaling aura is also weird; sometimes actually beneficial when the scaling aura is negative, but a major drawback when our aura is big like it is right now

[rare kite]

ye the critting part has such an easy solution tho, having a capstone be unnaffected by half our stats is so ass

[gaunt owl]

they could make it fake crit

so big number feel better after 😄

[rare kite]

especially when we're less haste heavy than before as well, so it's indirectly worse

[smoky kayak]

yeah, the mastery part was easily overlooked for most of DF because Arms didn't really care about Mastery anyway

but in S4, when we have a lot of it just because, and even more so in TWW if we're going out of our way to actively stack it... now we have a problem

[ornate eagle]

feel like shit just want her back

[dry frost]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ccR1o2srdbZnGewbqdrTLu

This sim is fucked no? DPS seems pretty high

[snow flame]

I just had a bug on nelth where I was perma corrupted

So I died when the ads came out because people full sent cds lmao

[ornate eagle]

you sim about 30-40k lower than top people

^^

[dry frost]

Oh It just seemed higher than what I was seeing so I assumed it was bugged

[ornate eagle]

so nah, arms just does that much dmg in pre-patch

we got a 30% aura buff + some other goodies with pre-patch

for TWW

its due to our tierset and available stats that we do that much more dmg than everyone else pre-hero talents

[dry frost]

Right, I was just looking at some other sims peps were sending in a few days ago so I didnt wanna go simming a bunch on a bugged simc build

Ty for the help

[ornate eagle]

if anything we're undersimming

[ornate steppe]

stats for arms?

change any in this pre-patch?

[wheat whale]

somethin about loving crit now? I forget

[ornate steppe]

yep, are there any capes now? just put crit and gg?

cape*

[outer holly]

mastery really gud

[fluid crystal]

can i catalyst boes or nah ?

[pseudo cipher]

what happened to bladestorm and warbreaker?

worse in m+ than blunt instruments and ravager now?

[boreal quartz]

You should try simming 2 BSL

[boreal quartz]

No, just a choice between aoe and st

And killing big things is by no means bad

[dry frost]

I just ran Vers wrist + Shadowflame cause I play all specs + BSL uptime prolly woulda suffered in early Mythic prog. I have just never cared to recraft

[boreal quartz]

Sim pad is sim pad

What can I say

[boreal quartz]

Ye

[boreal quartz]

There's no caps just topgear

[spring marten]

Overpower is no longer have chance to reset mortal strike?

[woven wasp]

well thats from battlelord so if you dont take it, no

[spring marten]

And they remove whirlwind from rms?

[woven wasp]

cleave replaces ww

[spring marten]

cleave is talent no?

[woven wasp]

yes

when you talent into cleave, it replaces ww

[spring marten]

Smart blizz:D

[boreal quartz]

For st essentially yea

[scenic umbra]

Are you guys coordinating the buff from BS to cleave with the big ass cleave from SS?

Or just throwing everything

[thick kelp]

playing bs :xdd

[scenic umbra]

????

[thick kelp]

Play ravager and enjoy doing more dam smilege

but just throw everything

[latent moss]

warbreaker is a dps increase but

5% more aoe but 10% st loss

so its much prio damage and st

[hexed saddle]

the answer is yes, stack MBG and CD for big dammies

[scenic umbra]

Who tf playa ravager in m+

U trollin

[thick kelp]

No im pumping overalls

bladestorm might aswell be pissstorm with the amount of damage it does

If you wanna bladestorm in m+ head over to #fury

[tidal wraith]

Blade storm hasn't felt good to press in years in my opinion.

[hexed saddle]

feels good in tww

[thick kelp]

prolly as slayer fury

[hexed saddle]

although not for arms

[thick kelp]

Still dont enjoy arms BS

[hexed saddle]

arms is just too good with ravager

[thick kelp]

Should give it the same treatment as fury BS so its fast spin

[hexed saddle]

they need to dial up the damage a lot

a big reason furys feels sick is cause it does its damage so fast

[thick kelp]

yep

[hexed saddle]

and theres a massive boon to doing damage fast

[thick kelp]

There is no reason they couldnt crank BS damage now that hurricane is gone too

[hexed saddle]

if you arent doing damage fast then you need to just be doing more damage over the duration

[thick kelp]

hasted + increased base damage would do wonders

even on beta Slayer is being held back alot by just having to cast bladestorm

[hexed saddle]

Its already hasted

its just not fury bladestorm

[thick kelp]

Not hasted enough xdd

[hexed saddle]

i dont think they need to change arms BS, I think it fits to have to be longer duration. They just need to reward players for having the longer duration better

[thick kelp]

I mean yeah if they could make the spell itself feel more impactful for only ST even, currently its being carried by Unhinged

[tidal wraith]

You could literally delete demolish and do the same thing with blade storm.

Except keep the movement

[thick kelp]

Personally dont mind demolish that much even tho I would prefer if I Arms had no casts at all

[fickle lotus]

Any Class-Changes/Balances today ?

[thick kelp]

Prolly later today, in like 10 hours or smth when they put beta servers down etc

[fickle lotus]

Thx !

[tidal wraith]

🤞🏻

[quasi torrent]

BS feels ass on current fury with 2pc2pc

[thick kelp]

[quasi torrent]

me when i ruin my prio dam by wasting 2/3 of my stacks on dogshit BTs

[boreal quartz]

Yepp

[reef glade]

U mean like 1 stack

[quasi torrent]

?

U BT 3x during BS

Only the first is a BB

[silk spade]

I thought you bt twice

[waxen elbow]

It's 3

If you rampage before the first will be a BB

I still like bladestorm tho ngl

[silk spade]

I'm pretty sure it's 2

Hmmge

[woven wasp]

one each bb/cb

[astral rock]

erhm so havent touched arms since bfa uld raid, and wanted to ask if the roation/feeling is still clunky more so than fluid?

[waxen elbow]

Actually you're right just checked

[silk spade]

aren't you confusing yourself with slayer BS

which ticks more times

[waxen elbow]

Yeah i forgor about that

[quasi torrent]

real kings still play rav and press Ramp CB during it and let rav eat the BBs with tierset

[silk spade]

that's what I do

[wary raft]

It is two for fury rn

Fury BS is only 5 ticks on live

[latent moss]

you will play massacre in m+

u will rage stave

starve

and u will be happy

[boreal quartz]

STARVE

RAGE FAMINE

DEATH

[latent moss]

u will drop bonegrinder for massacre

u will play sks

and u will stack crit over strength

[boreal quartz]

inshallah he has spoken

Crit to 100%

[latent moss]

Wdps > Crit > Str ~= Mastery > Vers > Haste

XDDD

[reef glade]

alhalim dullilah

[thick kelp]

They fixed earthen scaling with attt by having STR being shit

[latent moss]

(again)

[latent moss]

max ms crit

hit harder than 3rd demo hit

its time to doom

[tacit cedar]

I saw somewhere that the Earthen are going to be crazy good for warriors in general, does anyone know if there is a large gap because of the racial abilities?

[thick kelp]

Likely not even gonna be the best choice ngl

[tacit cedar]

Not even with the armor buff to feed into armed to the teeth and choice well fed?

[boreal quartz]

Prolly will be fixed

Inability to use mainstat food also bad

[glacial herald]

What's going on on the Arms-beta channel

Is it really that bad?

[latent moss]

[thick kelp]

This would mean bad if mainstat was any good

[latent moss]

unfortunately

1 point of crit is worth more

[wary raft]

Is main stat BFA levels of bad where I need to drop ilvl for secondaries again?

[latent moss]

than 1 point of maintat

idk i guess our scalings are completely fucked or w/e

[pliant hedge]

I was wondering this same thing did we get nerfed or something?

[thick kelp]

Noo we didnt

[silk spade]

memes

[latent moss]

gameplay yes

numbers no

same design for 6 years soon to be 8 years

nothing new

each expac they keep watering it down more and more

[glacial herald]

Pain

[latent moss]

while other specs are getting new mechanics to play around

we have 3 buttons

[glacial herald]

I was an Arms OG from TBC to Legion

Hated the Legion rework

[latent moss]

2 of them buff ur mortal strike

they do nothing

and mortal strike does all of ur damage

[glacial herald]

Have never returned, but dared to hope with Colossus arms

[latent moss]

there is nothing to think about while playing arms currently

u just ms op on cd

slam if u cant

and in exe u just 2x exe into ms

and fill with op

thats the entire rotation

if someone finds that fun

idk

ravager is fun with unhinged

and thats about it

demolish is just legendary on a shorter cd

its legendary that u have to align with everything

and it doesnt align with anything

cause it has random ass cdr

instead of putting it on the cdr we already have (anger management)

they decided to put it on its own cdr xdd

[terse osprey]

Hows Arms doin rn?

good enough? viable?

in terms of pve i mean

[latent moss]

numbers wise good

[boreal quartz]

Number good gameplay horrid in execute

[terse osprey]

What do you mean? lol

[pale jungle]

Execute does its best Chrome impression withour Rage. We generate less rage now, but our rage costs with everything except execute were adjusted.

So now we're rage-starved in execute

[boreal quartz]

You need 40 seconds in a sim with wft to go from 0 to 15 jugg stacks

[terse osprey]

I see 😮

[pale jungle]

it's not that terrible, but it feels pretty gross compared to how good it feels outside of execute

[boreal quartz]

It is gross and terrible

[pale jungle]

also this - execute's damage isn't great until juggernaut is stacked up. So execute in short fights (and for the first 30-40 seconds of a longer fight's execute) feels like shit

[tacit cedar]

Given what we've seen will it be though lol

[boreal quartz]

They fixed aug armor buff

[cedar tide]

yo any tips to what i should use my booleans on?

dont really know which trinket to get

[olive nest]

OCE/Pips/Icon
Signet/Anvil

Farm a puzzlebox for M+

[cedar tide]

anvil best secondary?

[olive nest]

@ deleted message,
We don’t play ToM anymore because we don’t spend enough rage anymore

[cedar tide]

when should i be using anvil?

[olive nest]

Anvil/signet is the best combo for long fights like tindral, fyrak, sark

[cedar tide]

ah okay

[olive nest]

Otherwise I personally run OCE/Pbox on everything else

[cedar tide]

what about the cloak from sark should i get that or no?

[olive nest]

I have it but i would prio better options first

[cedar tide]

what else should i be using booleans on?

[boreal quartz]

Do not buy anvil lmao

Buy the rings

Buy lego

[cedar tide]

done

and done

[boreal quartz]

Buy random funny trinkets

Funny imo is oce, augury, maybe brand if ur a cringe raider like me

Cloak is also just dam which is nice

[cedar tide]

i got signet cause im cringe

[olive nest]

Augury is cool if you play fury also

[cedar tide]

i mean i still have 5 booleans and all i havent bought is cloak and a second trinket pretty much

got the rings and weapon upgrade

[boreal quartz]

Arm too

50% crit gaming

[olive nest]

Sims like to drop haste now for crit right

[cedar tide]

i used to just check bloodmallet but with OCE and inc i cant fucking rely on it

[olive nest]

Thought I saw some screenshot of a wars stats at 60% Crit lmao

[cedar tide]

@boreal quartz why is anvil bad though?

[olive nest]

Fight has to be longer than 4 minutes

Same with signet

[cedar tide]

usually raid fights are more than 4 minutes

[thick kelp]

Just proc max stack signet in 1min

[cedar tide]

mythic atleast

[cedar tide]

real

[thick kelp]

your fights maybe

[olive nest]

54 seconds is my best

[boreal quartz]

Signet that cant highroll

[thick kelp]

but if not endboss most of my mythic kills take 2-3min

max

[cedar tide]

yeah but im not really gonna care for the earlier ones since if they die before 4 min they're whatever anyways

[boreal quartz]

Buy mog tbh

Get the funny polearms

[cedar tide]

so i can buy cloak atleast?

some warrior is trynna take my roster spot so i gotta do some dps before the next expansion

[boreal quartz]

Yea

[boreal quartz]

You gotta check how they do on prog

Maybe he's a reclear gamer who knows

[cedar tide]

im pretty sure im better than him

just not with 493

👨‍💼

[latent moss]

50...

75 is the real number

99.6% ms crit

[boreal quartz]

oh boy

[cedar tide]

i might just go OCE as second

[boreal quartz]

Key grind time

[cedar tide]

i still do like 350 k

its rough out here

[boreal quartz]

Gear matters a lot

Into the mines

[cedar tide]

[frigid lava]

high crit gaming is fun!

awww maintenance ._.

[boreal quartz]

Execute as is is not fun!

[frigid lava]

Yea... what exactly changed... I haven't read closely

Feels more rage starved.

[boreal quartz]

No reck on cs

All ur generators nerfed

Mandatory rage refund talent to make it remotely usable

[frigid lava]

It was easy to execute execute + @ then MS and repeat

now... rage starved 😦

[boreal quartz]

Now you exe op exe op op ms

Or some vile shit like that

[frigid lava]

yea

[latent moss]

without ct

[boreal quartz]

Even with

[frigid lava]

ct?

[boreal quartz]

Lmao

[latent moss]

u need to op a lot more

[boreal quartz]

Critical thinking

[latent moss]

with you can get away most of the time

[boreal quartz]

In keys id just slam in execute ngl

[latent moss]

nah u exe with ep

too strong of a modifier

to the button that does all ur damage

[boreal quartz]

But for gameplay

Id rather not have execute

At that point

[latent moss]

same

feels dogshit

[frigid lava]

We are above 40% haste already... wonder what can make it smooth.

[boreal quartz]

70% crit

Haste is rage neutral

And actively bad

[latent moss]

[clever crag]

FIX EXECUTE PHASE = arm good

[latent moss]

thats the issue

cant really do that without reworking the spec

or without adding a

autoattacking a target below 35% hp generates 100% more rage

xdddd

[clever crag]

Only time it feels good is with rav up

[frigid lava]

I ran bladestorm this week... maybe I will go with ravager this week.

[boreal quartz]

But rav isnt enough to make am strong enough to get more rav

[clever crag]

BS is a thing of the past

[old urchin]

I got blasted by another arms in a 17 AA. Spec was interesting. He was running skullsplitter, dreadnaught, and bonegrinder. No battlelord or massacre.

[thick kelp]

No suprises there

blord and massacre are bad talents

[old urchin]

Yeah but the guide has us running them. I’ve been following the hybrid spec on wowhead

[thick kelp]

Guides only a guide

[old urchin]

Execute feels so bad now like others have been saying so that was an easy drop.

[thick kelp]

Gives a general recommendation build which performs good

Also he most likely padded on lashers alot more

wtih mbg

[clever crag]

Should just made execute stack a bleed or something

[old urchin]

He actually dies first pull mid pull otherwise it would have been a bigger gap. He was just over a mil overall dps I was at 930k. And he beat me on boss damage on Ancient and dragon boss. Was nuts.

[clever crag]

Its just so bad like this

Hitting so many shitty OPs

[old urchin]

So def could be a skill/pressing buttons issue on my end. But was really surprised

[frigid lava]

hmmm skullsplitter...

21 sec cd?

[old urchin]

Said he likes it with SS. Dunno if that’s enough. Il

My overall OP damage was higher than his though even with him running dreadnaught. Like 20 mil higher overs.

[boreal quartz]

Sks is just more st

So is no blord no mass

[old urchin]

Still gemmed for haste and took the haste buff in the beginning. I need to play better clearly haha

[boreal quartz]

Cuz those are shit talents

[frigid lava]

I mean... padding is the strategy.

It's all how you spread your CDs

[boreal quartz]

wdym spread

u always wanna combined if possibl

[frigid lava]

Yes... but AA pulls come in different sizes.

Maybe it's more for lower M+s I guess

I've been running +10 or lower lately.

[boreal quartz]

more cds>

[frigid lava]

Things die too quick :0

sometimes I want to just one here... one after. not spend all of them on one.

because.. they would vaporize

[tacit cedar]

Ah okay there's hope then. I really didn't want to play a rock dwarf due to insane synergy

[gilded stump]

Are the warbanks finally working

[livid cloak]

Does sks give more st than massacre in the m plus build without critical thinking and jugg?

I'm wanting to drop massacre for something

[boreal quartz]

Sims work

[livid cloak]

I'm just working so I won't be able to Sim until tomorrow

Was just curious

If anyone had run the robot yet

[latent moss]

probably not

i dont think i simmed that specifically

but sks goes hard

with uproar and 2x bb

which u play

[reef birch]

is there a consensus whether arms or fury will be the way to go in ww s1 yet?

[thick kelp]

🔮

[reef birch]

my brain has been rotted by classic and i can only commit to memorizing but 1 retail spec

[thick kelp]

There is nothing to memorize on either spec

[manic stirrup]

massacre sucks anyways

talent has always been bad in m+ unless youre playing a juggernaut build

but jugg build is basically never the move

arms in st feels impressively bad

[latent moss]

u will actually play it over mbg

its a 40k dps increase on st and 80k decrease on 5t

which is w/e

and as slayer u will play sd over massacre

best performing builds

most st/prio and very high aoe

[strong tendon]

what do we get instead of masacre in m+

was thinknig it does help in tyr

[latent moss]

sudden death 💀

but past idk what key level i forgot

u get both fort and tyran

[outer holly]

Did they take EB?

[quaint otter]

whats arms m+ talent build rn?

[old urchin]

No

[outer holly]

EB is so much serotonin

But that build is simming really well, I'll have to give it a try

[wanton sierra]

-15% ms and hero talent +15% ? xD

[strange perch]

omg i read the change as increase instead of decreased i was going crazy

[drifting widget]

i dont understand why slayer fury got such a big buff - it was already way up there

[spare goblet]

So if I'm reading this correct, we only skullsplitter in execute phase?

[drifting widget]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/war-within-beta-dev-notes-more-class-tuning-and-augmentation-nerfs-345561

[true canyon]

so now we just player slayer arms instead of colussus arms?

lol

for ST

[gilded stump]

No you play Fury

[visual fern]

Both axe icon, same thing

[rare kite]

Red better color than blue. Dk>mage

[wide brook]

red faster unga

[true canyon]

slayer fury has potential for higher ST than colussus arms now after changes? wild

[reef glade]

@quasi torrent @silk spade sure looks like 2 bts to me, and only -1 stack wasted

unless for some reason it keeps a memory of the “every other tick” and then the next 5 hit bladestorm it pops a bb off the first instead of the second then sure it can be three but only half the time then

and somehow I doubt it even works like that

[silk spade]

yeah

people just got confused with beta probably

[waxen elbow]

I did say it’s 2 shortly after

[reef glade]

mfw asked to read 3 lines down

can’t be me

but ye

🫡

[waxen elbow]

Me neither tbh

[reef glade]

🤝

[gilded stump]

You guys can read?

[fathom shoal]

what did you just call me?

[gilded stump]

You heard me

[fathom shoal]

thats what i thought 🧐

[gilded stump]

Cash me outside how bout dat

[fathom shoal]

dinner sounds good thanks

[dreamy egret]

are we still doing redic dmg on live atleast?

[reef glade]

ya

redick

[silk spade]

cocka

[smoky kayak]

anyone know wtf WA this is on Sark? 🤔

[woven wasp]

liquid?

i think you might need to go in sooner though

[smoky kayak]

I thought so, but I can't find it

[graceful axle]

I think it's from Northern Sky, otherwise it's the raid WA pack from Reloe cause I get those as well

[smoky kayak]

don't have either of those

assumed it was liquid but update didn't fix it

[graceful axle]

Bigwigs?

[smoky kayak]

nope

[graceful axle]

it's gotta be something we share cause I get those as well and couldn't figure it out

[wind quiver]

BW trigger got changed, it shows your current HP now

and yeah it's Liquid's

[smoky kayak]

Yeah I figured, just curious which Liquid WA it was, cause I couldn't find it in their pack

[wind quiver]

Not entirely sure, but prob any WA with a boss mod timer trigger as it seems to get stuck from the first instance that triggers. He pushed an update for our guild specifically during our raid so didn't get it on Sark

[smoky kayak]

Yeah we just killed it with the WA in the middle of the screen 😆

[nova fiber]

could anyone tell me stat priority

[reef glade]

a lot of everything

historically crit and haste and u still should have a lot of that but atp you have like 6000+ of almost every stat

[obtuse copper]

I don't

[spring marten]

my main question is why nerf on arms:D

[thick kelp]

Arms was owning

[hazy flower]

Arms never owns

Doom hard

[austere river]

@smoky kayak do you know how big of a changes are we talking about with beta changes to colossus and slayer? %-wise

[austere river]

Ye, i would love to play one season of m+ where arms would actually be desired pick 😄

[thick kelp]

I would not

[hazy flower]

S3 arms was somewhat (!) good in higher keys

At some point people understood that keys were all about playing clean, and warrior is tanky and did decent damage

[austere river]

ye but even on that fury excels over arms

even me, who is arms to the bones, ended up playing fury at the higher keys just because its tankier than arm

[hazy flower]

There was absolutely no need to play fury outside of tot 30 tyra, eb 2nd part (wouldn’t say there’s need there either but it was a very hard part for the healer with lots of rot damage so fury with its massive self healing was visibly better) and 32 ad tyra

Arms brought much more uncapped damage which you still kind of need to time the keys too

I didnt encounter issues surviving anywhere aside from everbloom purely as arms

[wild marsh]

o:

[austere river]

well that's tbh a bit dumb statement, obviously everyone has different skill level and high key means different thing for everyone, when you say "absolutely no need outside of xx" you are referring to scenario were mathematically everyone (not just you, healer as well) plays perfect and for that reason you can survive hits with arms, now perfect is never reality especially when you inspect scenarios longer than moment its just a concept, point is, when player reaches his "high keys" you start feeling pressure of playing fury just because its tankier (and if i remember correctly in most scenarios i think it even did more damage which is never a good compination to have edge on basically all things), at the time fury could spec into shockwave as well where arms really couldn't

[hazy flower]

Well for one youre wrong saying arms couldnt spec into shockwave

[slow saddle]

Arms required better play to be decently tanky

[hazy flower]

And for 2 its still mathematically possible to survive all those encounters (well not ad 32 tyra if I recall correctly), and even though fury is tankier I wasnt pressured enough to spec into fury

[slow saddle]

But stackin ip helped a lot

[hazy flower]

Since you were self sustainable most of the time

[smoky kayak]

roundabouts -5% for Slayer, -8% for Colossus, and about +9% for Fury Slayer
Arms Slayer is minorly ahead of Colossus in ST now, Fury Slayer is slightly behind and Fury Thane is still lagging in the real

that is of course all without any potential APL improvements or other changes that may end up being made as a result

[slow saddle]

Lol so arms rocks in raid now

Spin on any packd

Arms padding inc

[hazy flower]

Also I suppose I could mention rise on fortified, but only the 2nd part of the dungeon

[austere river]

did i not just say that you are talking about scenarios from pure mathematical perspective? My whole point of this, is that i intially said that id love to play season where arms was desirable, you pointed out a season and i replied that even on that fury excelled over arms, because it was tankier, and if you agree that it was tankier: we agree. It does not matter where the tankiness became relevant for you, point it is it became relevant to everyone who wanted to push them keys.

[austere river]

is arms or fury ahead (no matter what hero spec) on st/mt?

-8% is sad

oh nvm you said fury slayer is behind of arms

i wonder if earthen is going to be sim-wise the pick for warriors, i mean obviously they aim to balance the racials to others, but warrior gets extra dmg from their +10% base armor (that is if it synergies)

[smoky kayak]

I believe the current should be
Arms Slayer > Fury Slayer > Colossus Arms > Thane Fury
but again, this is barring any potential adjustments as a result of the changes, and I am very certain this is not the last of the tuning we'll see

[smoky kayak]

it does, but it's not that big

need to figure out how much their surge ability might be worth, but it's a 2.5s channel, which traditionally isn't very good for Warriors

[teal fossil]

Holy moly thane arms

[smoky kayak]

Thane transcends specs

[woven wasp]

my most recent stuff actually has slayer fury the exact same as slayer arms

[smoky kayak]

good,
as I said, barring any adjustments as a result of the changes

[teal fossil]

It’s actually not that great

But its minor defensive benefit while giving similar damage to gnome for example

From some screenshots I see it’s about 0.8-1.2% str depending on gear

[strange perch]

is fury slayer just way ahead on aoe

[dawn rose]

are the changes to arms and prot also applied to live realms?

[smoky kayak]

they're not even applied to beta realms yet

[frail belfry]

What do we play right now in pre-patch? Is fury more ahead right now?

[boreal quartz]

Both strong af

[hollow pulsar]

did arms needs st nerf?

[rare kite]

idk if it needed st specifically but it was definetely strong overall. don't think anyone should have been surprised by the nerf

[cinder dove]

I'm surprised they haven't nerfed cleave yet

[latent moss]

why would they

[clever crag]

Arms nerfed ???

[unkempt burrow]

• Mortal Strike damage
decreased by 15%.
Overpower damage decreased
by 20%.

[thick kelp]

hey guys ever since i started playing arms a lot of the girls at my workplace are hitting on me. Is this a coincidence or is this a arms thing ?

[untold trench]

Clearly it got something to do with arms, your workout routine and diet is paying off

[thick kelp]

Dieting at 70kg will get me erased from existance

[untold trench]

You need some buffs for sure, blizz plz

[clever crag]

Oh man they REALLY dont like warrior as top 3 dps

[gaunt owl]

We werent in top 3 even

[wanton sierra]

if warrior appear close to the middle section they choo choo the nerf train

i mean, arms

[untold trench]

As long purple and blue is above us, we safe

rest doesn't matter

[wanton sierra]

damn you are right

[gaunt owl]

Fuck warlock

Big crybaby

[wanton sierra]

why on every expansion one of the warlocks tops

[boreal quartz]

Blizzard mains warlock

[clever crag]

They loooooove the cloth boys

Always in top 3, S+ tier meta specs

Only plater that gets a pass is ret

[slender sonnet]

You main warlock now

[plucky fern]

https://tenor.com/view/bongo-cat-wow-arcane-mage-pick-a-card-gif-13109917

excuse me?

[nimble yoke]

as the paladin discord has said

[storm prism]

Unfortunately arcane had a bug fixed that nerfed them in the process. Go check out the mage discord one of the mods there is crying ultra hard about it and then mutes/bans anyone who tells him it was expected

[wraith vortex]

what is the best weapon enchanchemnt atm?

[graceful axle]

whatever the sim tells you

[wraith vortex]

i don't sim :/

[graceful axle]

sounds like you should

[floral hill]

Guys, am I doing something wrong with Mage Tower? I watched a guide on what to do and everything says it isn't that hard. However, I am just getting run over by this guys damage (not the mechanics). Unless I use defensive CDs I don't have enough damage to get out of ice prism with bladestorm/etc. Also, I am literally spamming Ignore Pain to just stay alive from Frost Bolts. When watching the videos (which are older) the guy is taking pretty low damage. What am I doing wrong?

[graceful axle]

are you doing it for the armor

or achieve

[floral hill]

Armor

[graceful axle]

go fury

[boreal quartz]

Reflect, kick the bolts

Get iv resets from crystals

You can stun him too iirc

Damage intake might be higher but so is your healing and disruption

Leap the prism too

Btw

[floral hill]

I leap whenever I can. The only thing I don't have is gems/enchants/consumables. That was my next thing to try.

[floral hill]

Is the Fury one easier?

[graceful axle]

massively

all you have to do is dodge, kill small adds and kick

and small adds usually die to cleave/OF

[boreal quartz]

Idk man unless prepatch scaling is bricked AGAIN

Neither are hard

[graceful axle]

prolly, but fury has less things in its fight compared to arms

[boreal quartz]

Meh

Last time i did fury i oneshot it with no gear consumes or anything

Tbf

[graceful axle]

ye IV resets just carry it

[zealous sphinx]

Those unbuffed MS are ASS

[wanton sierra]

i agree... ms should hit like an truck... they nerfed 20% +5%of hero talent, it was 20% increase ms dmg now its 15%

they are saying: "oh damn, those arms are acctually likin the colossus one, let us fix it to all warrior dmg chose the right choice"

[slender sonnet]

Fury mt is easier than arms

[latent moss]

remember when it came back

and ows just didnt scale

and u had infinite haste

:xdd:

[wanton sierra]

i did it as arms, i had a couple tryes... but no problem

[kind dune]

How is arms feeling right now?

[inland quest]

it is really arms who is nerf ???

whereas there is fury who is stronger ?

[thick kelp]

Arms is kill

[inland quest]

i dont understand

[spark mango]

guys

does anyone have the raidbots script for ominous?

[unkempt burrow]

Fury & arms is silly easy. Same with Unholy dk

[urban iron]

Feels exactly like it did before pre patch

[kind dune]

So pretty alright 👍

[urban iron]

IMO condensed kill times favor fury because execute phase is very short but from a key perspective I’ve played both and had no issues

Fury feels easier to pull good numbers with in keys but that’s just because so much of your damage is loaded into one button

I’m pretty sure you could unga bunga fury right now and only hit odyns and whirlwind and still outdps half the people in keys

[kind dune]

That’s insane

[urban iron]

That’s not hyperbole I actually believe that 😑

[kind dune]

I started playing season 2 dragonflight and I’ve only played arms warrior so switching to fury might now be so bad or maybe trying tanking and go protection

[urban iron]

Arms is fine

[kind dune]

I have choice paralysis

[urban iron]

It’s pretty much on par with fury

[gaunt owl]

what do you mean by fine

we dont care about numbers

[urban iron]

Well if we only care about raid numbers arms is doing better than basically anyone

Unless you count bm hunters

They’re cheaters though

[kind dune]

I like to press the mortal strike button and big damage number pops up

[urban iron]

Then arms is still for you, you get that with cleave too

[kind dune]

Highest I’ve seen was 700k

[boreal quartz]

Lol

Why so small

Ive seen 1.7

[kind dune]

That’s crazy how do I achieve this power

[boreal quartz]

Full gear

And a crit

[urban iron]

I’ve had a few hit close to 2m, had a 1.5m cleave the other day that was tasty

[kind dune]

My max gear is usually heroic gear with 1 or 2 myth gear pieces

[urban iron]

I’m gonna need more arms dooming I’m a little disappointed

[unborn canyon]

Oh, AOE, I was thinking u saw a 1.7 mil ST hit

[gaunt owl]

[kind dune]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-worship-worshipping-now-bowing-gif-12297363

Teach me your ways master.

[boreal quartz]

Do mythic, be 530

[sacred zodiac]

i will rework you

[kind dune]

I’m bad

[calm hollow]

#showtooltip
/use [@player] Ravager
/use Bladestorm

would this work?

if i change talents

[gaunt owl]

its not the right macro

[calm hollow]

do you have the right one?

[gaunt owl]

5 bucks

i'm enjoying the cinematic of launching the game today

[calm hollow]

[night fjord]

check out the "known" conditional

[rancid solstice]

Yeah you need known

I’d post my macro but I’m afk

[gaunt owl]

/cast [@cursor, known:Ravager] Ravager; [] Bladestorm```

@smoky kayak we gonna need it for the guides its gonna be a FAQ

[calm hollow]

++

thanks btw

[smoky kayak]

you mean this one from the macro guide?

[visual fern]

[gaunt owl]

you stole it from @woven wasp first no ?

[frigid lava]

are these quests necessary?

[gaunt owl]

or was it Wahle that i saw writing it in here

[smoky kayak]

it's been there for like 3 weeks! you just never read it

[gaunt owl]

i only push buttons

reading the guide wont help me push MS on CD

too much info gonna fry me

[smoky kayak]

pressing MS on CD won't help you spam EXECUTE

[gaunt owl]

oh right thats rule number 1 in Execute

see already forgot

[fringe moon]

Had a shaman in the raid last night and after the sky fury fix execute didn’t feel nearly as bad as last week

[smoky kayak]

FWIW though, I do find these macros to be kind of pointless - you don't really ever need to swap between Ravager and Bladestorm, and talent loadouts obfuscate the need entirely

even more so in TWW

• Slayer will never use Ravager
• Colossus will probably not Bladestorm
• Thane might have room to use BS in some raid-burst situations, but looks like Ravager for the most part too

I just set up talent profiles for each though, so never have to worry about the wrong ability being on my bar

[gaunt owl]

i dont use the blizzard talent one so its not swapping bar for me 😛

and i'm gonna use Ravager with Slayer

just to mess with the stats !

[dull siren]

Talent sets bar swaps PogO

[frigid lava]

I used ravager for the first time in a while...

feels weeird :0

[boreal quartz]

spot the ravager

[visual fern]

[boreal quartz]

[boreal quartz]

i flew in late

cuz zero feathers

[thick kelp]

Noo

[boreal quartz]

idc

preptch log

got a purple

[reef glade]

arms on tindral

[rancid solstice]

I like the Shared action bars option so the known condition macros are good for that

[noble anvil]

was it mortal strike that reduces healing or the deepwounds ?

[reef glade]

ms

[noble anvil]

for some reason i thought it was deepwounds

did they change it ?

[reef glade]

dont think so

[wheat whale]

it was definitely mortal strike in earlier versions of wow if that's what you're thinking of x)

[noble anvil]

i always thought it was dw because its the only debuff that shows for me when i ms

[smoky kayak]

I don't see a point to sharing personally, but you do you

[manic stirrup]

no it does not

st is drastically different

[smoky kayak]

Guess it depends on which parts you focus on

the concepts are pretty much the same, even if some of the buttons you press to get there are a bit different

[gaunt owl]

we both know its not true

[minor gust]

Arms ST is basically the exact same just no WW

[manic stirrup]

same buttons but it plays differently

[minor gust]

Not really

[urban iron]

Damn dude you had to get in your Time Machine to find that it was like 6 hours ago lol

[manic stirrup]

was first message on screen when i clicked channel

[gaunt owl]

MS on CD and OP right after

[urban iron]

I’m still going to believe you have a Time Machine, it’s more fun

[minor gust]

The only difference you can feel is ravager pressing MS for you in exe

[urban iron]

Why does my iPhone auto captialize Time Machine

[manic stirrup]

thats a good question lol

idk it definitely feels pretty different

feels like im drowning

[gaunt owl]

probably due to the amount of CD we have now

[minor gust]

There are some things I like about TWW arms but idk I'm alrdy bored of it and just wanna play fury

[gaunt owl]

Thane should have been shared hero tree between Arms and Fury

its the only one that looks real fun with a solid theme

[minor gust]

If only colossus size increase was much bigger

You would actually feel like a colossus

Shoulda been 20% not 5 it should be something so noticeable anyone could just look at your character and go oh he's a colossus warrior

[strange perch]

colossus bis

[teal fossil]

Archi is right in that, unless the size change is massive (300%) you just eventually get used to it

[rancid solstice]

Nah U do U

[reef glade]

[minor gust]

true but its the thing of wanting other players to be able to notice that adds to the theme and style. No one is really gonna notice that bob the col warrior in ur M+ pug is 5% bigger unless ur both the same race and standing next to each other.

[teal fossil]

That’s true for any size that isn’t like 50%+

What I would do is make avatar increase your size even further

[minor gust]

I feel like 20% would do the trick but I dont have anything to back that up

[teal fossil]

I’m fairly sure avatar is about 20%

If I have that up permanently I won’t notice or get used to it very fast

[minor gust]

no clue I thought it was around 5-10

[teal fossil]

It’s def more than 10

[cinder verge]

am i inting if i run blunt instruments and strength of arms this week in m+?

[radiant sentinel]

for pre patch what trinkets are the go to for raid and m+?
Is it puzzle + icon?

and while farming abit to get puzzle what another one until then?

[manic stirrup]

i ran blunt last week too

its even better on tyran

[cinder verge]

idk feels weird to not have warbreaker in aoe

[manic stirrup]

its a little weird

[cinder verge]

i guess its not necessary since we run cleave now and that applies deep wounds right?

[manic stirrup]

yes cleave applies deep wounds

[teal fossil]

But it doesn’t apply colossus smash

I think this tech will be gone once we start playing slayer

[minor gust]

Blunt tech in M+ is too cursed im good never touching that

[manic stirrup]

idk man a natty 500k st in m+ talents is sick

i dont even have a leggo/akshandur and im doing 500k st

[radiant sentinel]

is the class tgrinket good for arms btw?

[outer holly]

Call? Yeah it's pretty good

[radiant sentinel]

Dope since i dont have puzzle just consiering running icon + call until i get that puzzle

[outer holly]

Surprisingly Rumbling Ruby is also simming insanely well for me, not sure what that's about

[radiant sentinel]

The f

[hazy flower]

Sim bait

If you did aoe sim

[sharp flame]

Does anyone know if raid lockouts affect the legendary quest to tether the Amirdrassil bosses?

just wanna know in advance

[cinder verge]

nah i did it in lfr

if you're asking if it matters if you've already killed the boss and looted it prior, it doesn't matter

[sharp flame]

Gotcha, tyty

[thick hamlet]

fellas is there like a huge delay before execute's damage number shows?

after the animation i mean

[teal fossil]

Yeah there’s been reports of it

[hallow turtle]

You get embers for the highest difficulty you do. So, there is no gain to do lfr, then normal then heroic. It will only boast your chance based on heroic.

[toxic socket]

prob been asked here alot, but whats the better spec in this pre patch? fury or arms?

for raid and m+

[outer holly]

arms in pre, fury in post

[reef glade]

arms raid mostly but like fury still bangs most amirdrassil bosses

and both pretty even m+

tho fury more fun

(and more like to get u faceplanting the floor)

[teal fossil]

Play arms while you still can

[olive nest]

Real

[summer quartz]

I play arms because its fun and I'm old. My old hands can't keep up with fury's playstyle lol

[wind quiver]

can now with powerful enrage, it's agonizingly slow

[teal fossil]

Good thing current iteration of arms is faster than fury