as cocky as it sounds
#arms
ornate eagle
vestal smelt
If it was reduced with AM or had a CDR talent I'd be happy to play it
Oh no this was just me seeing some people on some random 10 pugs I was doing on beta
thick kelp
I remember when u werent a believer
quasi torrent
oly pwarr i trust is kaban88mistr
vestal smelt
But I get that people are just testing things out so it's all good
quasi torrent
kaban88mistr is the goat
ornate eagle
I remember when u werent a believer
and then i tested it 
buoyant cargo
Literally what is going to happen at maxlevel before season 1 starts.
And some casters (preferably mage) gonna be buffed up to this time to be save meta/s-tier.
quasi torrent
And some casters (preferably mage) gonna be buffed up to this time to be save me...
Thinking this isnt already the case
clever path
+9nelth …
buoyant cargo
So what build did you guys figured out is your cookie-build for keys?
Mine is this. Best of both world (aoe+single target) but i might end playing warbreaker bc it feels like a felony not playing it in keys...
honest girder
Arms wars aren’t really struggling for AoE
So more prio damage for bosses is always welcome imo
tender abyss
Is fatality still taken in raid ST?
boreal quartz
Is fatality still taken in raid ST?
Nah
rare kite
Is fatality still taken in raid ST?
nah, fatality sucks ass atm
boreal quartz
So what build did you guys figured out is your cookie-build for keys?
Mine is th...
Blord accomplishes nothing here
Go mbg
SoA also crazy choice
latent moss
blord is shit
tender abyss
So Deft Experience is better than Fatality? doesn't seem like that should be the case
midnight mural
Mbg make cleave go boom
rare kite
So Deft Experience is better than Fatality? doesn't seem like that should be the...
deft experience is pretty big, actually hate how necessary it is
latent moss
they couldve just baked it in but yknow
rare elm
No that makes sense 
latent moss
same goes for critical thinking
boreal quartz
YOU WILL WASTW 2 POINTS
latent moss
exe rage is ass without critical thinking
boreal quartz
YOU ARE TAXED
midnight mural
How long does collateral damage buff last?
latent moss
YOU WILL WASTW 2 POINTS
blord needs to buff ms or something
and make it a must take on colossus
and make jugg a must take on slayer
and they can't take other
so we have 2 distinct gameplays
quasi torrent
In AA hell no
you lose atleast 10 from timer
and mobs arent grouped within 20 of the key starting
in BH u can do a pretty big pull within 20
same with RLP
But u COULD
start key
hearth during pre timer
fly to dummies, build
group runs up, sets up stone, summons you
you meld take when its grouped
if you do this however, please find god
boreal quartz
you lose atleast 10 from timer
Start key war hearthstone out, wl summ while tank gathers
Warr melds dummy and takes summ
Clickbait accomplished
Then deplete
quasi torrent
i already typed this out
boreal quartz
Not during pre timer
quasi torrent
READ
quasi torrent
I think getting on one of those is more of an L than anything
boreal quartz
Ye
thick kelp
inland quest
what is the best race for arms in term of dmg
boreal quartz
what is the best race for arms in term of dmg
Rn human
But in wawi it's a sim angle
Go something for drip
rare kite
i wouldn't race swap right now anyway, wait til tww
thick kelp
Prolly not gonna be human tho in tww
thick kelp
sim?
boreal quartz
troll zandalari ?
It's okay
So for context ye
Dan plays zanda and got w3 on it just fine
Race does not matter
(not fully true for them anymore.. But they never swap for dam)
rare kite
if you plan on doing lots of m+ nelf and dwarf are very nice. tho not really payed attention what you can use dwarf racial for in tww
urban iron
If shadowmeld continues to work as it does now that’s really the only true option
Being able to skip mechanics in m+ is super high value
rare kite
meld is great, but nelf has the best thing. THE FLIPS
slate rain
is arms good in tww
gray steeple
Earthen with the 10% armor bonus is going to be hella strong.
Best non-meta race is velf imo. Strong race, best emotes for female and transmog discount.
rare kite
is arms good in tww
strong yes, don't like the playstyle personally but that's subjective
latent moss
Earthen with the 10% armor bonus is going to be hella strong.
Best non-meta r...
biggest bait ever
raid opening
slate rain
Like what
latent moss
"earthen armor increase no longer contributes to Armored to the Teeth"
thick kelp
Troll will be the race for sure
slate rain
i always just do Orc cause big shoulders
boreal quartz
Troll will be the race for sure
Doubt
I think it's human early tier 2
Otherwise crit pct race
Full yap no sims
latent moss
"earthen armor increase no longer contributes to Armored to the Teeth"
@thick kelp
waiting for this line
to be in a bluepost
thick kelp
i dont think will need to add that
slate rain
who is a good streamr doing arms in beta
thick kelp
Danwarr whenever he is live
loud wadi
How should be the openner with SKS and ravager?
latent moss
i saw a lot of openers ngl
that all work well
generally speaking
charge rend leggo roar rava cs sks
presss ava whenever
i would press it with CS
initial roar hit does nothing
unhinged is coming on the sks global
jaunty timber
Hi guys, I was playing arms earlier this week and I noticed something
Where is whirlwind?
latent moss
if u talent into cleave it completely replaces whirlwind
jaunty timber
Toxic
jaunty timber
Why not cleave AND whirlwind
latent moss
redundant spell
graceful axle
why have two buttons that does the same thing
loud wadi
i saw a lot of openers ngl
kk ty
latent moss
never shouldve been an arms spell in the first place
its only purpose was its high cost (40 rage)
with fob
to dump rage
to either fish for tactician like in legion
or stack tom in bfa
i think SoS WW was cool in DF but
in m+*
but its redundant
cleave is ur aoe spell
jaunty timber
So we just have to suffer for 3 seconds of cd with no aoe
latent moss
"no aoe"
yeah dots arent ticking
ms does no damage
op does no damage
u are not obliterating ur prio target
jaunty timber
I see
latent moss
not to mention how hard cleave is hitting right now
and its missing a lot of dmg modifiers from hero talents
daring heron
i played this yesterday, felt like a very strong allrounder
everyone's cooking though
latent moss
i think soa > dn but depends i guess
dn really beats it hard in aoe but
st increase is nice
daring heron
it was ulda so yolo
dull siren
i played this yesterday, felt like a very strong allrounder
1/2 deft + massacre
Slam more
latent moss
u have to drop either deft or bb
daring heron
non execute is more fun
latent moss
1/2 deft + massacre
doubt its worth it
daring heron
so noty mass
latent moss
deft is massive
playing without deft feels so bad
it feels like u arent talented into tactician at all
xdd
latent moss
I see
for context just how hard cleave hits
on 5 targets
1.5mil at 519 ilvl
im nowhere near bis
boreal quartz
i think soa > dn but depends i guess
What if mass and 2 point crit think no ep
Cooking??
daring heron
overcooked
daring heron
exe package costs too many points
daring heron
y
latent moss
not very useful unless the boss lives
- the fact that they freed us
from the curse of tom balancing
so we arent balanced aroudn big toms that arent possible in keys
so now we do good st in keys
really good*
boreal quartz
exe package costs too many points
It's 2 for crit think and then u need sb and EP it's crazy
delete juggernaut
daring heron
latent moss
delete juggernaut
imagine how hard slayer arms would go
3.5 something million sd right now
remove jugg increase exe damage
hooly
boreal quartz
Infinte HPS
rare kite
exe package costs too many points
i don't mind execute costing many points, but 4 of them are at the bottom... it's so dumb
calm trout
Is arms broken atm ? in a good way
ebon fern
It's broken op yes
I was literally sustaining almost 1 mill dps on 5 targets at ilvl 500 something
And st is also great
calm trout
Ok so its not just me hten
ebon fern
gameplay... It's not bad
Id say i'm having about the same fun as i was in df
Although big whirlwind is missed
calm trout
MS damge in keys is out of control
crude raft
does our stats change in prepatch?
thick hamlet
slayer sudden death ones
what does slayer change about execute?
slow saddle
it SLAYS ?
inland quest
Uldaman 15
thick hamlet
it SLAYS ?
hell ya brother
narrow coyote
don't worry we will get nerfed so the caster overlords have the only good M+ comp again
storm prism
If it makes you feel better I always bring at least one melee
rare kite
don't worry we will get nerfed so the caster overlords have the only good M+ com...
we don't need to get nerfed for that to happen in tww. dungeons are just so anti melee
slow saddle
don't worry we will get nerfed so the caster overlords have the only good M+ com...
´we can do 20% more dmg
and i would still take a range
at least pug range, coz they will live all the shit that melee has to play godly if they wanna do both dmg AND live
latent moss
don't worry we will get nerfed so the caster overlords have the only good M+ com...
we are already behind
xdd
latent moss
philliarms
thick kelp
outer holly
I got beat on the meters by ~250mil overall by a frost dk 7ilvls below me
amber field
Arms is donezo. Pack it up
outer holly
Still I managed 1mil DPS, but hot damn do dks ever fuck rn
hollow axle
How much of a bonus the new race is for warrior? Is that armor gain any good?
ornate eagle
dunno about arms but for prot when i napkin mathed it, it came out to be 2% str gain
teal fossil
we don’t use str
Bad stat
Interesting that troll is getting good now
Hasn’t been good for a while
outer holly
That's 2 xpacs in a row
latent moss
troll has always been good for arms
not the best
but good
void elf perma cranks
- insane racial for raid
teal fossil
Yeah troll is like top 10
But in df our damage profile is too flat
Tom am all that stuff
marsh needle
are there race sims already or are people just theorycrafting
gaunt owl
thats with raid lvl gear
gaunt owl
Belf ?
latent moss
try void elf
minor gust
latent moss
wtf earthen
do nelf
minor gust
Nelf superiority
latent moss
not really
how much on bis setup
dreamy egret
Simming for 550k pulling 666k single target.... nerf boomkins 👍
latent moss
im on phone cba checking
latent moss
Simming for 550k pulling 666k single target.... nerf boomkins 👍
classic boomkins
sandbagging perma
gaunt owl
how much on bis setup
22% something like this ?
i didnt check the bis gear, i'm still catching up to our new masterchef
latent moss
os its crit > mastery=vers > haste
latent moss
bro what
boreal quartz
Or i just take it on less popular realm
latent moss
i cba
boreal quartz
Instead of silvermoon or draenor
latent moss
where philliarms
latent moss
based
carmine shale
is there a good updated WA to use?
old urchin
That's a troll too
I always liked Broverpower
wide brook
Whats the best way to get our CDs to line up? Is it beneficial to wait a few seconds to make sure you can combo your CDs, withholding TR and SP since they line up on their own very naturally
slow saddle
os its crit > mastery=vers > haste
no
slow saddle
human power ^_^
gaunt owl
its probably just on the edge of an other haste point
thorn tulip
so sticky
latent moss
my tip..
unborn wraith
dire hinge
both Anvil and Brand needs a lot of time to ramp up, around 4-4.5min, so you’ll want to take another option if your fights will be shorter
If it’s for raid, you can always go to WarcraftLogs, filter to Arms Warrior, and look at the specific boss you’re going to fight to see which trinkets folks took up at the top
daring heron
blunt gaming?
ornate eagle
ya
daring heron
arms prio damage is nuts if you play for it
ornate eagle
(i also did more dmg than the other 2 dps combined)
ornate eagle
for prepatch yes
not like shit matters
getting that 30% aura buff+ other shit
really helps 
for prepatch
green marlin
Still looking pretty good in tww tho
green marlin
I prefer tww arms over df
lavish schooner
Using thunderous roar on cooldown in single target is better than waiting for Test of Might buff now?
That's what the guide says but I'm not sure that sounds logical
woven wasp
you dont play test of might
lavish schooner
Oh I see, didnt realize that was changed
quasi torrent
you dont play test of might
meow
lavish schooner
Strange, in for the kill doesn't seem like it'd be better than test of might though, isn't strength always better than haste?
Just intuitively speaking
pale jungle
Strange, in for the kill doesn't seem like it'd be better than test of might tho...
our capacity for both generating and spending rage is a lot lower now + IFTK now lasts the duration of csmash. Ends up winning out while smoothing things out at the same time
lavish schooner
I see
smoky kayak
Strange, in for the kill doesn't seem like it'd be better than test of might tho...
as castleguard said, they reduced the amount of rage generated and spent, which means the playstyle is still fairly smooth
but they didn't reduce the strength:rage ratio of Test of Might, so because you're spending much less, you're getting a much smaller stack value than before; on top of that, they also buffed In for the Kill by allowing it to last the entire duration of Colossus Smash with Blunt Instrument, which is effectively 30% increased duration
haughty tapir
Helloooo friends - @smoky kayak just wanted to see if you knew the Raid Single Target talent build on Wowhead is broken! It’s missing 12 pts when you export. Sorry if you’ve already been made aware.
lavish schooner
I can see it being better below 35% where you get 20% haste, but after testing things out, just intuitively speaking above 35% target hp, it seems like test of might is better casue I'm always getting above 10% strength, and so its basically a strength vs haste situation. Here you're always getting 13-17% strength (which is already a better stat than haste) for 12 seconds vs 13 seconds of 10% haste. Not arguing that ToM is better just saying intuitively speaking, it seems like ToM "should" be better
hazy flower
it's not exactly 10% or 20% haste
if you're playing with 40% haste in your build
you will get 14% and 28% haste, respectively
since the 40% haste is not 40%, but 140%
lavish schooner
Oh ok that makes a bit more sense then
I thought it was a flat 10 or 20% haste
in addition to what you already had
hazy flower
its multiplicative
also intuition is good to have but u have the computer to actually check if it was right or not
lavish schooner
Yup for sure, no arguments there, was just saying that for debate purposes
I always like the debate side of things cause sims are not 100% accurate, its not a perfect representation of the game. Sim developers try to get things as close as possible to how things work on live servers, but the reality is that we don't know if the sim works the same as on live servers
nimble yoke
Helloooo friends - <@61282228017041408> just wanted to see if you knew the Raid ...
pretty sure imports are just broken
haughty tapir
no, the other imports are fine
The actual talent build on the site is missing half the tree
The class tree doesn’t have 12 pts applied
nimble yoke
oh yea thats wack
although i think imports were broken before anyways
cause i was having some issues
haughty tapir
Yeah I think so too. But all the rest are fine. Just the arms ST raid build - which I think was fine earlier this week.
I just happened to be helping someone new with a warrior build and I noticed
lavish schooner
the shaman enhancement import is messed up too
teal fossil
I always like the debate side of things cause sims are not 100% accurate, its no...
Sims work almost identical to live servers
Outside of specific circumstances
Sims also represent the collective knowledge of most of the in game mechanics
lavish schooner
I'd imagine there are math tricks that allow sims to get really really close to live servers, its just not a perfect representation of how things actually work
teal fossil
Using haste for example, I’m sure 4/5 wow players do not know haste is multiplicative
Also the way strength works, 10% strength may not translate to 10% damage
Sims may not be 100% accurate
But any individual person will always be less accurate than a sim
lavish schooner
oh for sure, I just like to have a reason for choosing a talent or w/e, not just cause sim told me so. I like to debate it and understand it first
lavish schooner
yup yup, I hear you
teal fossil
Because they are essentially two variations of the same thing
Gaining dps after pressing colossus smash
lavish schooner
right right
inland drift
bless arms
teal fossil
Also you have to remember that iftk is damage DURING cs while Tom is AFTER
So iftk is multiplying on top of cs
inland drift
tried in a dung, was fun, howtf i was top dps over a 500ilvl [me 495] paladin
lavish schooner
oh thats a great point, I didn't think of it that way
teal fossil
1.5x1.5=2.25
1.5+0.5=2
That’s essentially the idea
It used to be that with Tom it’s more like 1.5+0.9
lavish schooner
Now what about Warlord's torment vs Thunderous Words in pure single target?
hazy flower
Using haste for example, I’m sure 4/5 wow players do not know haste is multiplic...
4/5 is
lavish schooner
I was just thinking that although you get 30% more dmg for your bleeds, the 100% rage gen is good for while you're in avatar to maximize skill usage
hazy flower
a massive understatement
smoky kayak
Helloooo friends - <@61282228017041408> just wanted to see if you knew the Raid ...
unfortunately, things been breaking on blizzard's end
#updates-midnight message
most recent save should fix it (for now), but every time Blizz changes something, it breaks again
teal fossil
I was just thinking that although you get 30% more dmg for your bleeds, the 100%...
Rage is not an issue during avatar
Because you prob have ravager spinning during
lavish schooner
Fair enough, that makes sense
teal fossil
Could be good for execute but rage doesn’t matter outside of execute
smoky kayak
I was just thinking that although you get 30% more dmg for your bleeds, the 100%...
the rage really just goes back into refreshing Rend, but it is a couple more "free" GCDs overall
Warlords has some value with Demolish in TWW, but isn't really relevant in the pre-patch
lavish schooner
I see
unkempt burrow
lavish schooner
So why don't people like arms in TWW? is it much different than pre-patch? I personally like how arm is right now, it may be kind of basic, but I like the purist 2h melee spec that has no flashy skills. I feel it brings a cool distinction to the game.
lavish schooner
oh well yea, that'll do it, no one wants to do low dps
ornate eagle
Because
You're 26 ilvl behind on beta
Most of us play with horrendous lag, untuned bosses/dungeons, uncoordinated groups
Untuned trinkets
Sims can only account for so much
lavish schooner
fair point, I thought that people just didn't like how the spec played apart from meters
ornate eagle
Heroic week will give a bit more of an insight on performance of a class/spec, then we will almost certainly get a huge mythic opening week patch
smoky kayak
fair point, I thought that people just didn't like how the spec played apart fro...
that part is pretty subjective, but if you're enjoying it on live, you'll probably enjoy it in TWW as well
there are a few notable differences, aside from the obvious "use Demolish" or "use BS/Exe more" but the general idea is pretty much the same
teal fossil
If arms get 30% more aura buff people would think this is the most well designed spec of all time
lavish schooner
lol
ornate eagle
Tbf
I am feeling alot better about myself in this pre+patch
Cuz bigger number better person, can't argue that
lavish schooner
Well as it stands right now, to me, warriors seem like they're in a really good spot. I really like fury and how that is a high octane spec, and arms is distinctively different being slow. The only complaint I would have about warrior right now is that bladestorm should have stayed as an arms warrior only skill, it feels like it belongs to the arms fantasy imo
fury already has odins which belongs there only
but these are just little things, warrior is solid right now I think
potent portal
Finally getting to try out the new builds tonight
Gonna be going back into Mythic vault to help some trials get thier portals.
Kinda hype
tulip cypress
how's arms looking right now?
worldly timber
does SS procs neltharion's call to chaos?
vestal smelt
Has anyone noticed that they changed the animation for execute? It's like a white/yellow colour now instead of the red
Also it seems to be slightly glitchy when using SS
cerulean mountain
Is it intended that Overwhelming Blades does not work with Ravager? I am not the biggest fan of Bladestorm so it feels bad
ebon fern
Honestly, fury/arms were a little better than i expected, but not better gameplay than df for me.
Fury i actually like a little less. But it's still good enough
I liked the massive whirlwinds in df. You still have basically no downtime, aside maybe execute. But ravager on arms feels a lot better, so it's about on par as the df version of arms
You should definitely get unhinged, it's way too good
To pass on
leaden parcel
just kinda figuring out arms in the prepatch and I'm noticing overall for a dungeon cleave is my hardest hitting ability. Does that sound about par for the course?
vestal smelt
Yea cleave damage got big buffs with the rework, and pair that with the current tier set and cleave is doing very very well
I think currently you use cleave on 3 targets or 5 if you have SS up
gilded stump
gilded stump
Such reliable
He's got an INSANE starforged pre built PC so I think he's legit
gray steeple
He's got an INSANE starforged pre built PC so I think he's legit
That means nothing when it comes to knowing the game. Did you get a fee for promoting the feed?
untold trench
If he said OF is awesome, I will support his list. If not? He a scam
rapid herald
Just keep looking at tier list videos until you find one that aligns with what you want, isn't that what everyone does?
gilded stump
That means nothing when it comes to knowing the game. Did you get a fee for prom...
I plead the fifth
untold trench
It does tho 
gilded stump
There's Odin Fury and Bloodthirst and Whirlwind and Raging Blow and Rampage
Like you legit need rocket science to figure it out
hexed saddle
5 rotational buttons
gilded stump
It's a lot of buttons to click
hexed saddle
too much
untold trench
SS,SB,H,Stb,SW,SR,BR,Ww... I can go on for a lot longer
gilded stump
Theres only like 8 slots on the bar or something
boreal quartz
It's a lot of buttons to click
YOU JUST PRESS YOUR SLAM MAN
untold trench
I actually got most of them on my bars, if not all of them
gilded stump
YOU JUST PRESS YOUR SLAM MAN
Calm down man it's alright
untold trench
Anyone else got shield block as Fury ready to press? I think not!
Fury got too many buttons confirmed
List stays true
boreal quartz
Calm down man it's alright
I am the most calm warrior player
boreal quartz
Anyone else got shield block as Fury ready to press? I think not!
Shift-F12
gilded stump
Anyone else got shield block as Fury ready to press? I think not!
I just open the spell book and click it tbh
gray steeple
Spell reflect is huge.
fading sage
So with the new rage workings; during execute. Do we still try to fit in 3 exe then MS or just ex-ex-op-ms?
brittle fiber
Hey guys, can one of you point me to the based class department
proper estuary
cloud dawn
Like you legit need rocket science to figure it out
cant tell if this is a joke or not
misty bridge
He's not wrong, it's very complex
strong tendon
Does the free slam from fob get swept if we have ss up?
thick kelp
ye
misty goblet
Yo is arms/fury looking good in terms of gameplay next expansion i have not had time to beta test on warrior at all
gaunt owl
eta gg max called rally the objectively worst raid cd that exists in the game
cant really disagree now that finally nerfed it to 10%
hexed saddle
eta gg max called rally the objectively worst raid cd that exists in the game
hes right
rally sucks
silent flame
dude leveling an arms right now and i enjoy the flavour a lot more than fury lol
actually using smart strikes instead of monkey mode :D
p fun too
hardy marten
Does anyone know what is currently looking like our first embellishment craft?
latent hull
dude leveling an arms right now and i enjoy the flavour a lot more than fury lol...
Fury feels better
Because arms rotation is clunky rn
Rage starved in execute
silent flame
ah fair fair
i mean it seems more simple than what im used to at least
silent flame
Rage starved in execute
byt that do you mean you dont get engouh rage in ex phase
gaunt owl
Rage starved in execute
latent hull
byt that do you mean you dont get engouh rage in ex phase
Yea,and cds will not line up in tww if you play colossus,the ability demolish from colossus is like a fyralath type ability,2 small.hits into 1 big,and its 45s cd ,same with colossus smash,except colossus smash gets affected by rage management
latent hull
But i saw someone post they were spamming execute during ravager so it might just be bad outside kf cds
silent flame
damn
is there any way to reduce cd cooldowns in warrior or anything with talents?
sorry, only war spec i played before seriously was prot lmao
and i main sub rogue, which seems pretty diffrent from arms haha
latent hull
Is this tww or prepatch
vernal crypt
Tww, demolish is used
latent hull
Oh ye
latent hull
damn
is there any way to reduce cd cooldowns in warrior or anything with talents...
Well idk according yo ppaww we arent that much rage starved but thats during ravager,might be diff story outside of it,i think main issue for me is just demolish not lining up
But i dont have beta so
gaunt owl
we will hold it to use it with CD anyway
latent hull
we will hold it to use it with CD anyway
Hold cs or demolish
gaunt owl
Demolish
we cant have every CD lining up perfectly or it would be boring too
and once we get more crit Demolish is gonna come back faster too
there will be a point when it line up nicely
silent flame
also another random question
how hard is the m+ rotation and the raid rotation to get down
gaunt owl
depends on your ability to learn and muscle memory
m+ rotation has some weird quirk because Sweeping Strikes exists
so depending on how many target you have prio change slightly
silent flame
ah ok
gaunt owl
but basically Cleave is the bread and butter now
spark mango
guys i made this weak aura for my execute glow for now till it gets fixed, i just anchored it to my execute, if you want to use something, go to display anchor it to your own ability bar
rare kite
doesn't most weakaura packages have the glow? i know mine does
spark mango
well i never use weak aura packages
and people here were also complaining about glow missing from their bars
rare kite
fair enough
urban citrus
something feels weird with execute
its like the damage comes slightly after the animation
and not during it
inner wedge
Hello guys, it seems like mortal strike refresh the dot of Rend, but I see no talent about it can someone explain me please ?
urban citrus
anyone else has that?
rare kite
Hello guys, it seems like mortal strike refresh the dot of Rend, but I see no ta...
bloodletting talent
inner wedge
Oooh okay thank yuou
but I swore I saw it refreshing it even when the target was above 35% ... I'm new war so ig I need to study more
rare kite
ye it's kinda buggy
honest girder
anyone else has that?
The damage numbers you mean? Yeah someone else mentioned the SCT being a little out of sync.
urban citrus
SCT?
honest girder
Scrolling combat text
honest girder
There are addons for that (forget the name) which are in time, so it seems blizzards ones are a little out of whack
urban citrus
that feels pretty nice actually
honest girder
The damage event is instant tho, just the numbers display is delayed
Unhinged makes it superb
Arms that is
urban citrus
it used to be only 2 mortal strikes
now its every time it does dmg
which is insane
well every 'other time'
which is still alot
midnight mural
Guys do we use SKS in the TR window only ?
Send on cd, lines up with every other TR naturally
clever crag
Nice
fossil thistle
Thoughts on leveling trinkets?
pbox? Thinking also augury + call to chaos
fossil thistle
Nice
I think you’ll eventually have to hold it for a few seconds but from natural ability usage and GCD it lines up pretty well.
45s roar and 21s (42 for 2x use) SKS
fossil thistle
Looks like we might be spamming execute and OP for free MS big hits during ravager during execute phase?
I would imagine we’d still MS on CD
gaunt owl
Looks like we might be spamming execute and OP for free MS big hits during ravag...
Unhinged ?
rare kite
clearly
gaunt owl
fun part is having the lowest amount of haste you throw out ravager
and then use your haste buff
to fit in as many GCD
latent moss
Looks like we might be spamming execute and OP for free MS big hits during ravag...
u dont ms
during ravager
u just keep buffing unhinged ms
weak wave
u just keep buffing unhinged ms
Oh what? Rly? So I just am spamming Slam and OP during Ravager?
gaunt owl
@latent moss people really cant understand anything if we dont give full context do we ? 😄
latent moss
Oh what? Rly? So I just am spamming Slam and OP during Ravager?
in execute phase
u dont ms
outside u do
nothing else to press
weak wave
in execute phase
I don't MS with Executioner's Precision and OP stacks? 🤨
lunar vessel
Made it so much smoother
you can drop a point from bloodborne and put into finishing blows, ~0.4% dps loss
lunar vessel
well you're losing a bunch of juice on sks, and mostly making up for it in execute. you'll be more backloaded on damage
might be the play on that boss that starts at 60% hp
weak wave
And no chance on picking Critical thinking for more Execute rage refund?
weak wave
Ah I'm talking about hybrid/AoE builds
weak wave
ravager consumes it
Okay but outside Ravager I still use MS.
latent moss
of course
verbal ingot
yo, where can i read rotation, was 2 weeks vacation prepatch hit im lost
silk spade
yo, where can i read rotation, was 2 weeks vacation prepatch hit im lost
wowhead is updated
thick kelp
actually true
rare kite
test of might is dead, was a big reason why we liked haste
sharp flame
Deep wounds gooder now 
thick kelp
recraft and change oce
verbal ingot
i feel more like loging out and play somethign else till quest gear tww
but ye i guess good start
😄
thick kelp
he asked how to drop haste 🤷♂️
waxen elbow
verbal ingot
looks better now i guess
livid cloak
During execute with the m plus hybrid ravager build, do you prio execute or ms? It's SO rage starved. I've been doing execute x2, and op just waiting on enough rage to ms after
Is that right?
Feels like a lot of waiting on rage from auto attacks though before I can ms
boreal quartz
During execute with the m plus hybrid ravager build, do you prio execute or ms? ...
just op below 60 rage exe above
and then ms when 2 ep
and remember to charge weave
livid cloak
I thought that only applied to ST with critical thinking
With the raid build not the m plus setups
livid cloak
Well that's kind of what I'm asking. Do you prio keeping ms on cd or getting 2 stacks of ep with execute
Because if I go for 2 stacks of ep, ms sits on cd a lot
Didn't know how it all mathed out not having juggernaut or crit thinking
I thought the 60 rage was only a magic number because it allowed you to ms after with 2 points in CT, maybe I misunderstood
wary holly
how well do the sims work? robot isn't telling me drop any haste despite having 40%
storm prism
sims are borked right now
Simc devs said they're focusing on TWW release rather than pre patch
gaunt owl
plz tell us more how borked they are
lusty epoch
what exactly is charge weaving?
storm prism
plz tell us more how borked they are
This is all that I know lol
gaunt owl
This is all that I know lol
lucky for us its working mostly as intended for our class
gaunt owl
what exactly is charge weaving?
it is right after an AA you take some distance to charge back in again
storm prism
lucky for us its working mostly as intended for our class
Mostly seems like a key word there
But that shit doesn't even work on my main rn so I've been having to base it off of feel
Give robot back to me >: (
storm prism
Because they have limited resources. Lighten up on blizzard they do their best to bring us quality content.
latent moss
Well that's kind of what I'm asking. Do you prio keeping ms on cd or getting 2 s...
only with 2 stacks
gaunt owl
Because they have limited resources. Lighten up on blizzard they do their best t...
like VW quality ?
storm prism
like VW quality ?
More like promising awakened raids week 7 then waiting until pre patch to actually do it
And recolors of existing mogs in trade post every month
storm prism
Can't forget broken warbanks. Yknow, the biggest thing in prepatch other than talent reworks.
storm prism
How it is ≠ how it should be
turbid finch
Damn arms got hands on single target
slow saddle
The hybrid
build
for m+ is it the wowhead one ?
coz its without sks and everythign 😄
oh well battlelord is back i guess
livid cloak
You take blunt instruments and ravager for more ST at a very small Mt loss
slow saddle
Wait a min wth is this, crit - mastery instead of haste these days
color me confusious
livid cloak
Test of might isn't taken, which is where haste got a lot of it's value. If you take blunt instruments and IFTK you get quite a bit of haste uptime from that also to compensate
slow saddle
Test of might isn't taken, which is where haste got a lot of it's value. If you ...
true but iftk benefits from the haste u have as well no ?=
as its % of the haste u have
slow saddle
another thing is.. why doesnt the hybrid spec have sks instead of battlelord
turbid finch
IFTK is really useful during execute phase; rage can be harder to manage these days
gaunt owl
haste dont help you with that
going faster with your car is gonna make you burn more energy
slow saddle
its multiplicative
i thought that meant more haste more good for iftk
gaunt owl
i thought that meant more haste more good for iftk
its only gonna give you so much
at 40% haste its like 14% more you get from it
and 30% its 13%
thick kelp
IFTK is really useful during execute phase; rage can be harder to manage these d...
Haste doesnt affect rage
hope this helps
turbid finch
more haste = faster attack speed = more rage gained. Not by a crazy amount, but it helps in this economy
boreal quartz
more haste = faster attack speed = more rage gained. Not by a crazy amount, but ...
More haste more spend
Neutral
gaunt owl
more haste = faster attack speed = more rage gained. Not by a crazy amount, but ...
you just forgot the GCD reduction in there wich make it absolutly neutral
Crit is the real play
its bigger gain each swing
Crit on AA even make your ASPD faster too 😄
slow saddle
wait so we stack crit even above 50% ?:D
weak wave
I did this for an AoE/ST Hybrid build and ended up with roughly the same bleed dmg as with Bloodborne talented but a much smoother and less ragestarved Execute phase.
boreal quartz
I did this for an AoE/ST Hybrid build and ended up with roughly the same bleed d...
Real hybrid goes bi
Trust
livid cloak
BI feels a lot better and I was surprised at how little loss from no warbreaker
boreal quartz
Id also play ravager
boreal quartz
BI feels a lot better and I was surprised at how little loss from no warbreaker
It's akward for carrying over CD into another Pack
But lotta sg
St
livid cloak
Yea and the longer iftk buff feels nice
silk spade
ye not having warbreaker only feels bad visually
very true
lunar vessel
Slam is worse. At least CS makes a sound. Slam just looks like a faint blue auto with normal swing sound. For how often it is pressed >35% it's a tragedy
slow saddle
Slam is worse. At least CS makes a sound. Slam just looks like a faint blue auto...
i swear if slam Visually and the sound queue was up to par ppl would love it
Imagine is SLAM was half a warbreaker
visually
u would SLAM SLAM SLAM SLAM
and feel like a god
livid cloak
Is it diff per race? My nelf does like a jump spin
gaunt owl
i swear if slam Visually and the sound queue was up to par ppl would love it
people are coping
sturdy plank
Guys when you have 2 targets and no SS up you use MS or Cleave?
gaunt owl
every warrior ability got mediocre visual and sound effect
sturdy plank
Ok thanks
weak wave
Blunt instruments
Ohh okay thanks!
bleak moat
bring back execute original sound
hazy flower
every warrior ability got mediocre visual and sound effect
I like execute visual only
Taking a bigass swing
hazy flower
And impaling someone
bleak moat
ms is also gucci
shit animation just a reverse swing
bleak moat
why they would remove original animations .. human special attack was so sick
that jump they did
Female orcs also jumped in a cool way
slow saddle
ye. i dno man, i do feel like wow has pretty decent sfx and hits in gen
but it is true if i go from my ret
to my warrior i feel it visually
gaunt owl
ms is also gucci
MS is the middest visual ever
slow saddle
MS is the middest visual ever
did u try on worgen ?
gaunt owl
it was better before
leaden parcel
I’ve really enjoyed going back to the warrior for the sound fx
There’s a meatiness to it
weak wave
Question: For multitarget why is the guide saying this? Unhinged casts 3x MS thats mor SS dmg that we could do with normal GCDs
silk spade
MS is the middest visual ever
MS sound effect is my favourite sound in the game
teal fossil
Question: For multitarget why is the guide saying this? Unhinged casts 3x MS tha...
The keyword is “isn’t”
You hold sweeping if bladestorm is coming up soon
weak wave
You hold sweeping if bladestorm is coming up soon
No, it sais "Don't cast SS when you will cast BS after that"
Or "Don't cast BS after SS."
teal fossil
You are misunderstanding it
You sweep when bladestorm is not in your next couple gcds
weak wave
Hmm but why?
teal fossil
Which matches with the apl
You hold ss to use with bs
But you want to maximize ss casts
So you ss as long as you don’t lose a cast of ss+bs
weak wave
What? xD
leaden parcel
if you cast SS and then cast BS, aren't you wasting part of the time SS is available
Because you're just BSing?
weak wave
No because I cast 3x MS DURING Bladestorm.
teal fossil
I dont think im getting through to you
teal fossil
Ignore this line then
Use ss with bs and whenever possible
But if say your bs is coming up within 10
Then hold ss
weak wave
Yeah that's clear
latent moss
what is bladestorm
charred brook
Why bladestorm and spin when ravager spin for u?
Just make weapon spin for u
Free dps
glossy olive
^
When bladestorming, especially in pvp. gives you a sec to do a new scan of the situation and come up with a an updated action plan
gaunt owl
Fingers hurt need break
if your fingers hurt i would go ask a doctor you know 😄
livid cloak
After a couple hours they do
Live in America, you have to sign over your house to see a Dr here
Easier to just bladestorm
latent moss
says the guy paying 325823057235823753295235320975 euros for a sandwich and coffee
at least u dont have to sign ur house to see a dr
fair point
gaunt owl
says the guy paying 325823057235823753295235320975 euros for a sandwich and coff...
i use real money
CHF
latent moss
325823057235823753295235320975 francs*
gaunt owl
325823057235823753295235320975 francs*
we control the inflation
tourists have to be extra rich its not my fault
latent moss
we control the inflation
500 hundred cigarettes
pale jungle
500 hundred cigarettes
minor gust
move to a 1st world country
Health care is overrated just live
fringe moon
Are we charge weaving again during execute phase?
spark mango
how are my stats looking,people told me arms is crit mastery now
but how low does haste have to go
real birch
"Worth" playing arms again compared to fury in m+? 🙂
rare kite
wtf, why is your stats ordered that way? why is your versatility above mastery?
spark mango
its deja character stats, you can put them however you like
real birch
how are my stats looking,people told me arms is crit mastery now
where u got th crit mastery from?
spark mango
real birch
Ah ty crap
I am full hast crit
Are we not using war breaker in m+ anymore? O: Or is my import bugged
gaunt owl
how are my stats looking,people told me arms is crit mastery now
use raidbot
rare kite
your import is not bugged
gaunt owl
people blindly going full crit and mastery isnt the way
boreal quartz
50 40 50 30 gaming
minor crater
but how low does haste have to go
I think you have misunderstood if tou thinkwe need to go low
spark mango
people blindly going full crit and mastery isnt the way
yep, wearing the top geear suggest in sim, i have 38% haste
spark mango
but its much higher mastery than what it was before
gaunt owl
because DR exists
weak gulch
How is arms after the aura buff
pale jungle
How is arms after the aura buff
real birch
Is arms more dps than fury in m+ and raid or am I just trash at fury? Arms feels soooo much more output
narrow coyote
Just press cleave a lot, most dam
manic stirrup
arms feels like wet donkey meat in raid but very good in m+
real birch
I really "like" arms in raid. Its just brainless blasting for me and I can use my other braincell for dodging stuff
manic stirrup
its the same difficulty it just feels worse
narrow coyote
I hope rage regeneration feels better at max lvl. Arms damage is very high but I felt like it played more fun prior to pre patch
manic stirrup
if anything its harder bc u use charge now
tall crypt
its normal to actually having to press slam now right
midnight mural
its normal to actually having to press slam now right
yes, you will press it alot
boreal quartz
737k fyrakk p3 no bl
boreal quartz
yes but i send cds on shield and then i get bl on a sks+cs+roar
tbf still big p2
midnight mural
big all around
livid cloak
I like the new st play with slam, rend, and sks
Instead of ww t clap
And ravager is nice
livid cloak
gaunt owl
I like the new st play with slam, rend, and sks
lol you can basically use Tclap over Rend
the dmg diff is basically inexistant
midnight mural
lol you can basically use Tclap over Rend
what build do you get TC in ST?
midnight mural
lets see
boreal quartz
does this count?
midnight mural
bruh
i got the macro for u
#showtooltip
/cast [nochanneling, known:Thunder Clap] Thunder Clap; Rend
(nochanneling bcus of grieftorc)
u cast TC if u know TC - if not, rend
boreal quartz
i got diff binds for em dw 
midnight mural
you are giving up what.. second wind? which is irrelevant in this content.. and honed reflexes
boreal quartz
midnight mural
also irrelevant
boreal quartz
you are giving up what.. second wind? which is irrelevant in this content.. and ...
yea
boreal quartz
like with default st raidbuild ur aoe is so shite now
with DN+TC+Roar you could pad so well
boreal quartz
adds gotta die <:FingerGuns:1194196678316675153>
full st vs st with tc/dn
not like DN is obscene AOE now but
it counts
on 5 min aoe tho
🤔
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@midnight mural
so it seems just DN and TC is least ST loss and decent ST gain
in tradeoff
any cleave variants gain a TON of aoe but lose a chunk of st
but "worst" st build is 2% diff
aoe its 43%
so IMO pad is incentivied
especially with ravager/roar
@thick kelp pad talk
silent flame
random question should rend even be on my bar? While leveling it just seems to appear on things im hitting, not even just in execute range
boreal quartz
random question should rend even be on my bar? While leveling it just seems to a...
bloodletting does apply it to things it shouldnt in open world
but you really really do want rend on your bars
thick kelp
<@865605822638063647> pad talk
pad talk in arm chat
midnight mural
adds gotta die
boreal quartz
kong and i are 🤝 on padding
silent flame
but you really really do want rend on your bars
ok good its in my bar then]
midnight mural
i dno about them sims phil
silent flame
i was doing it right, was just confused why it was applying to things randomly
boreal quartz
i dno about them sims phil
yea 5 min aoe is not realistic of pad
thick kelp
Run hectic
boreal quartz
u sure?
thick kelp
compare
boreal quartz
aIT
thick kelp
its adds every 40s
boreal quartz
right now yes
we have fury + dh
no adds ever
but its mroe abt the theory
to me
thick kelp
hm
boreal quartz
like demolish/tc/roar/rava(cleave??) is a lot of pad
and idk if cleave is just overkill here
midnight mural
yeah but they dont add deep wounds