arms

[dusty summit]

sims 578k

[humble basin]

i think i can buy oce but i also dont really care about prepatch

[slow saddle]

i only care coz we gotta kill that fuckin last boss of amir

i wanted to kill razageth coz then id have portal 😭 but boss man says no

[humble basin]

rip

raszageth very good boss

[slow saddle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7AkA3aPMvpZD5qc59Ce6He

kek why i sim less now 😄

[dusty summit]

you sim 578k without OCE but just Wrists recraft to haste crit

OCE is 262 dps higher

but with all ally buffs

[humble basin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vAEckteVEEAxPjgjKWSABJ got this on nightly with just bracers

[slow saddle]

ah lol i took off fake sim cloak 😄

[dusty summit]

no mainstat gem?

damn

[humble basin]

it sims higher i guess /shrug

[slow saddle]

i wouldnt use the cloak in proper raid though

80k health is A LOT

[humble basin]

nah were farming it comfortably

dont even notice

[dusty summit]

depends on the fight and when it procs imo, I still sat at 1.5m hp yesterday

[humble basin]

healer problem

[dire hinge]

dstance solution

[slow saddle]

ill qoute this if i die

[humble basin]

if you die then did you dstance or ip or health pot or healthstone

no boss right now will kill you only because of cloak diff

[minor gust]

The awakened raids on prepatch were basically non awakenes

That's how easy they are rn

[dusty summit]

ye they are just faceroll

[minor gust]

Wear sark cloak all u want

[humble basin]

even before prepatch they were vastly easier than before

[minor gust]

Yee

[humble basin]

and i still wore sark cloak when it was relevant

big dammies

[dusty summit]

oh 75% BSL uptime, I kept simming you with 65% xdd

[humble basin]

thats fair

i just looked at a random log and picked it a while ago

[dire hinge]

60-65 is a bit more accurate, but honestly BSL fluctuation is very subjective

best to look over your own logs and find your average

(and you know, try and take less damage whenever possible)

[dusty summit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uzSfrEfzuatX9n9nuiKNnM I get this with 75% uptime

[humble basin]

i tend to stick to crit/haste just for smoothing shit out even if i get a bit more with vers/mast

[slow saddle]

Best race prepatch ?:D:D

[drifting widget]

110m hurdles

[cosmic shale]

I feel like before prepatch, I could sim multiple gem combos.. Now it's like 3 gems sets me over the limit

[drifting widget]

just did my first key as arms in prepatch - omfg that was fun! 800k overall, after dying twice due to over-aggro.

[humble basin]

nice

[uncut pasture]

mechagnome, huge passive mainstat + cheat death

[slow saddle]

haha ok

[teal fossil]

Huge is a strong word

[uncut pasture]

giga

[teal fossil]

Even disregarding that warrior kinda sucks with main stat

[gaunt owl]

HUGE

[gaunt owl]

its almost fixed

jk

[teal fossil]

We scaling?

[minor gust]

S word used

Put him in timeout

[teal fossil]

Idk if mecha should be % or flat main stat

[gray steeple]

Earthen looks like bis for tww. Why waste a race change for prepatch?

[teal fossil]

earthen is probably bis

may not be bis

itll probably be better than mechagnome though

[thick kelp]

What if i told yall

troll

[teal fossil]

troll always fun

pocket pi

[thick kelp]

[fresh spire]

[boreal quartz]

The legendary arms day

I think that's my 4th warband char in honor of fishpi

[empty gull]

Isn’t like 0.06%? (Doing math in my head is hard tho)

[fresh spire]

🐟

[thick kelp]

.6%

[teal fossil]

.6 is a lot

What’s your base race

[thick kelp]

Troll

[teal fossil]

Clearly arms isn’t bursty enough for troll

[thick kelp]

🤫

[teal fossil]

Gnome 1% constant haste scaling to infinity

[dusty summit]

@slow saddle going Buzzing gave me another 800 sim dps LOL https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eZF8fepyEV3mLdhgJimCZB

[slow saddle]

❤️

i love how my main issue ATM is i cant log into battle.net

blizzard be cookin

[dusty summit]

they cooked yesterday as well, Draenor just randomly died

[slow saddle]

entire eu died i cant even check into homepage 😄

[dusty summit]

weird, everything works fine for me rn

[west wasp]

How did you get that number when i did the same thing and got a lower number?

[dusty summit]

can you link the sim?

[west wasp]

oui

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6GcFqST4Z6rQZi66dMRoVX

[dusty summit]

you're in AoE talents tho

at least your AoE talents show for me on the sim

[west wasp]

ahh one momento then : )

[gray steeple]

You’re also doing a weekly quick sim not a nightly top gear

[west wasp]

So thats the reason why i think i am abysmal

thank you friend

[inland quest]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

cleave is pumping

[fossil thistle]

Anyone know if this change was mentioned?

[weak wave]

Thats our new musthave talent with Cleave.

[west wasp]

With the new arms patch do you just use slam if you dont have ms available or whirlwind

[woven wasp]

slam

[dire hinge]

whirlwind big dead, remove it from your bars

[woven wasp]

dont remove it or youll be removing cleave

[olive nest]

it was said that those were going away in TWW the moment they got in the game

[west wasp]

slam all the way then thank you friend : )

[dire hinge]

haha, dynamic action bars per talent loadout save me

[weak wave]

But what do we do against ragestarving in multitarget Execute phases?

[dire hinge]

Execute at 60 rage instead of 40
Overpower otherwise
if you're out of overpower and still under 60 rage, you can sit and vibe or charge-weave

you dont want to Slam in execute because you'll just inhibit your next MS/Execute by consuming even more rage

[weak wave]

hm. okay

[dire hinge]

it's definitely wonky right now though

[cinder verge]

ww or ravager for m+?

[candid plover]

ww

[fossil thistle]

Sorry im a warrior I can't read

[chrome otter]

is it a good idea to take Sks for every scenario in raid and m+? or is it mainly better for single target?

[dire hinge]

oh hey tac 👋
Mostly single target. You can sweep it to a second target, it's not going to see as much play in m+ unless you really need more priority damage (which Skullsplitter could assist with, at the cost of losing AoE)

[chrome otter]

xup dude. just testing all these talents. giving me a headache, haha

[dire hinge]

it's quite the change!

It starts to click after a bit of play, but it's definitely weird for a bit

[chrome otter]

oh are you experiencing maybe a bug. my char always switch to def stance everytime i relog

[dire hinge]

ooo that's interesting, one sec lemme test

staying in Bstance for me so far, but i'll try logging out for longer and hit you up if i see oddities with it 🤔

[chrome otter]

i just relog and it switch me back to def stance, but i log out as prot. so maybe that

[dire hinge]

ah lemme try that

yeah that's it.
As prot, if i log out in Battle Stance it logs me back in with Defensive Stance. Dunno if that's new or not.

[chrome otter]

alrite. i don't like it

[dire hinge]

Definitely a weird one. #protection might know more if it's a recent thing or not (i only play it occasionally), but worse case i could see it as a bug/forum post

[still crest]

Does anyone have problems with the action bars? Every time I log in I have to put everything back in

[dire hinge]

you can try running /console AutoPushSpellToActionBar 1, but i haven't heard of it being widespread

The opposite (setting it to 0 instead), prevents spell from getting added to your actionbars when swapping talents, might be related

[still crest]

The script doesn't work. I know at least 3 more who have the same problem, and the only thing we 4 have in common is that we are warriors.

[dire hinge]

Interesting! Does it happen with other specs as well? (Fury/Prot)?

[still crest]

Let me try

[dire hinge]

the only advice i have would be to disable all of your addons and try it again. If it continues even then, I'd submit an in-game bug report since it'd be coming from Blizzard at that point

[still crest]

I thought the same way the first time it happened to me, I completely disabled everything, I even tried to close completely or just change character (how it works in macros), so far nothing works.

[dire hinge]

Dang, that sucks to hear it's impacting you and others 😕 definitely get a bug report in for that one

[still crest]

Thanks, I will do it because I thought that after a few days it would be a bug that would be solved with a hotfix, but still nothing and it's already somewhat annoying :/

[still lava]

is that problem only affecting default action bars?

(as opposed to bartender/elvui/whatever that forge bar addon is)

[still crest]

Now it's weirder xD it only happens with my Arms specialization, in Fury and Prot my skills are not lost on the bars even if I move them

[still crest]

I use the default bars I don't have any bar addons installed

It's the signal to play fury

[slow saddle]

Build that doesnt work?

[outer holly]

Is it all bars or only individual ones?

[still crest]

all

[outer holly]

Oddly enough this started happening in pre-patch at the end of SL as well

Im finding a couple reports

[still lava]

if you made a new profile, does it still happen?

[outer holly]

Note: My issue comes from the fact that I messed with the new loadouts feature in the talent screen. If you haven’t done this, my solution may not work.

Solution:

Delete all existing loadouts.
Create a new loadout for each spec you want to use.
Highlight the loadout, and you’ll see a settings button. Click it.
In this menu, select “Shared Action Bars”. Make sure you do this on all loadouts you’ve created and in each spec you care about.
Try adding some SPEC (Not class) abilities on your current action bars. Then, switch specs to test out if they stick this time.

Hope this helps, it worked for me.

From the blizz forums

[dire hinge]

oh actuall yeah, if you make a new talent loadout does it keep happening?
or if you uncheck "use shared action bars"

haha nvm knifeman beat me to it 😂

[outer holly]

😘

[still lava]

also thinking the layout profile

[still crest]

I will try this option because I will try it with the talents

[still lava]

I might have been too vague, but I meant the edit mode layouts:

i'd lean towards talent loadouts as the problem, but, for troubleshooting, every and all options will probably be looked at

[still crest]

Nah that's good, it was very clear or at least that's how I understood it, and I just tried it.

I reset all the game settings, and nothing 😦 there are only 2 options left, be fury or prot

[barren oracle]

anyone else worried about Arms pumping too hard right now?

[magic canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1130595907172302858/30CFF9B4-C69D-4BF0-B51B-1122F4743CEF.gif

[outer holly]

Does charge weaving imply paying attention to the swing timer?

or benefit from, I guess would be better wording

This heat got my brain fried

[woven wasp]

yes

[smoky kayak]

technically yes, but in most cases you charge weave off the GCD more so than the swing timer

[woven wasp]

you charge between swings so you dont lose any swing time

[smoky kayak]

when the gameplay is GCD locked that is; when it's not locked it's better to weave on the swing timer

it's very minor though, since it only delays the swing timer, it doesn't actually reset it

[outer holly]

Oh okay, that was gonna be my follow up question, thanks for thinking ahead

Couldn't remember swing timer rules

[smoky kayak]

Arms doesn't generally need to weave anymore, unless you're like... using IP a lot or maybe a bad no-proc streak during Execute

[dire hinge]

nah its prepatch, we were execute kings in DF Prepatch as well

[outer holly]

I just assumed it was bad tact procs that were the real culprit, but I figure it prepatch is as good a time as any to work on my skills

[grand idol]

once we lose 50% of our crit and ahste we will be the usual middling surely.

[woven wasp]

thats a very loose definition of execute

[still crest]

a dead warrior turned into a pussy dk gave me the idea to do everything I had already done but with a small detail, choose the "Starter Build" option in the talents loadout , I did this and put my skills back in the bars and it worked, it's solved. really thank you all guys.

[warm crown]

damn arms kinda cranks right now

very hecking poggers

[ornate eagle]

https://i.imgur.com/MVgROCD.png

arms is okay guys

i swear

[thick kelp]

pi + aug + monk

holy

[ornate eagle]

random pug aswell

i would had 1.7mil overall

but tank died on last big pull

<.<

so i had to kite

[thick kelp]

eta gg

[ornate eagle]

turbo desynced my CDs from that point on

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8rfVP3khgdNzmpqD#fight=last&type=damage-done

the fucking 500k dps ST

is just

in keys

[gilded stump]

This good enough for 516 ilvl no axe?

[ornate eagle]

depends on key and dungeoin

and pull size

[gilded stump]

12 uldaman

Pull size was pretty good at a few points i reached mil+

[ornate eagle]

couldb e worse ig

[gilded stump]

Cleave

[upbeat minnow]

Is arms using multiple tier sets like fury

[woven wasp]

no

[dire hinge]

"condemn" i guess

[livid cloak]

Execute phase in keys with warbreaker feels weird. Lots of sitting around waiting on rage when ms op op down

[ornate eagle]

i dont play warbreaker

[livid cloak]

I haven't tried with cs yet

Is the only benefit to not taking warbreaker the extra 3s duration?

Or is there something else I'm missing

[ornate eagle]

3s longer iftk

and just better ST

[vestal smelt]

Do we get decent performance from the reworked skyfury for arms?

[dire hinge]

Gives us more rage generation yeah.
You can sim yourself via Raidbots with and without it to see (I’m away from my machine or I’d get you a test screenshot)

[vestal smelt]

That's all good, I'll sum when I get home

My wife is just tossing up between rsham and disc and my brother is playing brm in TWW so was wondering if skyfury actually helps us still

[daring heron]

i did 2x as much boss damage as both of them with blunt build

[vestal smelt]

Wait is this with CS?

[daring heron]

yeah

[edgy oxide]

Guys you think is it worth to make haste lower for crit and mastery ?

[vestal smelt]

Is your overall suffering? I feel like trash dam would be giga scuffed with CS no?

[daring heron]

it's surprisingly fine

[vestal smelt]

Hmm that's encouraging actually

[daring heron]

the 3s longer haste from iftk and easy deep wounds uptime from cleave does a lot of heavy lifting

[vestal smelt]

I suppose a lot of our damage comes from bleeds and soon to be bs too

[daring heron]

it's a big ST dps gain for a surprisingly small aoe loss

[vestal smelt]

Yea that's basically what I was running with my ret pala last season on high Tyr keys. Running exec sentence was so much more St that the aoe loss was offset on overall

[ornate eagle]

ST is what times keys

not overall

UNLESS

you are specifically instructed to be the aoe guy

and the other 2 dps are more ST oriented

[vestal smelt]

Yup, so many people throw tyrannical keys in the pursuit of big dam on packs that are trivial. The keys I ran on ret we had bm hunter and destro lock so I wasn't needed for big aoe pump those weeks

[daring heron]

or just bring dps that are blessed with talent trees that get both aoe and st with minimal/no compromises

[vestal smelt]

I'm still not over the mage and spriest trauma crit. Pls

[crystal umbra]

What talent would one take out for Improved Sweeping Strikes in raid?

[cinder verge]

whats a good trinket combo for m+?

ive got brand+oce rn but brand is disgusting

[grand idol]

Puzzle box is a classic on use

[livid cloak]

Doing ravager also instead of bladestorm?

[daring heron]

yeah

[livid cloak]

Okay, imma try that tonight I think

Sounds fun

[daring heron]

i wanted to try it in rlp

bet it's good there

but was no key listed

[tacit cedar]

does anyone have an idea of when the tww weakauras for everything will be set back up? i like my afenar one a lot haha

[vestal smelt]

Luxthos already has his all out on his website

[gray steeple]

People still using puzzle box in m+ and not Augury/OCE? Or is that for stacking crit for ST?

[ornate eagle]

i been using puzzlebox and oce everywhere

augury is cringe af

RNG ass item

cost me atleast 1x r1 parse

stg

yeup

cost me terros r1, got r2 instead

augury literally afk

OCE woulda been SO much more damage

[vestal smelt]

Lol rekt nerd

Just get luckier 4Head

[ornate eagle]

FUCK augury

i dont even run it on prot half of the time

yeeyee ass trinket

[trim niche]

Why blunt instruments over warbreaker in aoe?

[livid cloak]

MAN

ravager and blunt instruments stiltl pretty good

idk that i'm doing ST right though, my st isn't nearly as high as what crit was posting

[outer holly]

Feels like there's just so much you have to fit in to the opener

mspaint guide when?

[trim niche]

Does this sim better in keys?

[ornate eagle]

it doesnt sim as max aoe

but its the best of both world

[zealous pivot]

taking EB too or naw?

[ornate eagle]

ya

[zealous pivot]

over -1 bloodborne? @ornate eagle

[trim niche]

EB?

[drifting widget]

why are we taking Executioner's Precision over Battle Lord in m+ build atm in pre-patch?

[zealous pivot]

exhilirating blows

[ornate eagle]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/DAOBUVBVFUgEVKSUFBAOVVBFURVlQkFQFQDRAQAA

i played this

[zealous pivot]

oh dropping massacre

pog let me check it out

[outer holly]

Is EP still worth when dropping massacre?

[trim niche]

I am gonna use this except keeping 45s TR, I only do 8-10s

OCE+522 fragment or Nelths call?

[dark cedar]

How come people are taking fervor of battle? An extra slam doesn’t sound that great?

[grand idol]

its an extra slam, for free, off the global, when you hit more than one thing with ww (cleave)

[manic stirrup]

this spec feels like a whole donkey dick with how little fuckign rage i have

fuck arms

[zealous pivot]

fury over there ---->

[manic stirrup]

no

[zealous pivot]

holy shit this build is so much fun

[vestal smelt]

It's funny everyone was complaining about overcapping rage and not being able to spend it for a long time and now we're the other way lmao

[zealous pivot]

EB CS build m+ is the shit

[strange perch]

does anyone know does skyfury even work?

[graceful axle]

like windfury

but with mastery

[strange perch]

yeah but does it actually work

is it bugged

[snow flame]

arms enjoyers get to suffer

[fathom shoal]

can someone link me a macro that casts ravager at my feet, instead of me targetting it - ty 💋

[pale jungle]

/cast [@player] Ravager

[fathom shoal]

oh thats it? lol thanks bud

[nova fiber]

is this the best way to use it?

[pale jungle]

i mean, in certain situations no, but in most circumstances it's fine

normal-ass boss fight? Sure. Not going to hurt anything.

But you won't be able to throw it on a pack of adds before you get there, etc

[chrome otter]

i'm experiencing some weird bug, in fury i can cast ravager at cursor, but in arms, it doesn't work

[fathom shoal]

ya, i just like this one for raid bosses

for the rest, ill target

[nova fiber]

I feel like using it on the current target is better no?

[pale jungle]

you can't cast ground target abilities @target like that

[nova fiber]

i see

[chrome otter]

i have /cast [@cursor] Ravager

[pale jungle]

so if the goal is cast and forget, yeah

[grand idol]

make sure youre using the macro

Like its actually on your bar

[pale jungle]

I use cast @player almost all of the time, but have the regular throw keybound for edge cases

[grand idol]

Ive had too many times when I thought a amcro wasnt working only to not actually be using it

[upbeat minnow]

Any bugged arms talents or abilities?

[chrome otter]

omg you are right

i'm so dumb

[grand idol]

hehe

I only know to suggest it cause its happened to me

One time i spent probably half an hour trying to troubleshoot a macro only to discover it wasnt on the keybind.

[chrome otter]

i've spent 30min rewriting the macro all kinds of different ways, until i posted in here

and then you suggested that. i had my ui disable macro txt on my bars, but now i'm thinking maybe i should turn it back on

[nova fiber]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9WK9UifzfkTYvZ7kBYDZkc

is this normal with this ilvl?

[dire hinge]

you have all the settings correct so probably

[nova fiber]

Thank you

[empty gull]

I tried to use IP but the shield is ridiculously small (123k), while the tooltip sais 430+k, is there a bug or it's assumed we stack it, somehow?

[dire hinge]

that's how it was before the patch as well, seeing the same absorb amount. I think it's just phrase differently between the two

[empty sluice]

Isnt it tooltip for prot?

[dire hinge]

not sure ¯_(ツ)_/¯

oh, like saying the Tooltip from the arms tree is showing prot absorb amounts?

[empty sluice]

Yea

[dry frost]

IP doesn’t contribute to AM does it?

[dire hinge]

not any more no

[dry frost]

I didn’t think so, they removed that and the ToM* interaction start of S3 no?

I feel like FBV is just minty fresh rn

Nothing does enough damage in 1 hit to warrant IP anymore

[dire hinge]

well... not directly

[empty sluice]

Its passive heal Vs shield

[dire hinge]

Ignore Pain is still preferred for dps because it's a proactive way to prevent damage from hitting you, while Fueled by Violence is reactive after you already took it.
Ignore Pain plays into keeping your Blue Silken Lining uptime higher

[dry frost]

Also I’m too ZugZug to have another button

[dire hinge]

real and valid

[dry frost]

I just ran no BSL and no IP the entirety of S4

[empty sluice]

Take storm wall

[dry frost]

Lmao taunt to proc storm wall

[empty sluice]

It was decent for pvp

[small crown]

with your sub 20% parry

actually 0% for arms by default

[dry frost]

DBTS for auto parry

[small crown]

blow your def to get 5% of your hp back

[dry frost]

All because of this damn IV nerf smh

[dire hinge]

they reverted IV for arms 👍

[dry frost]

Oh really?

That’s hype

[small crown]

honesly just take FbV since techinally it heals faster with skullsplitter also can we delete skullsplitter

[dire hinge]

yee, dunno if it's live or not, but its comin

[dry frost]

I like SKS ngl

I played the cleave SKS build in M+ a bunch S2

Though I liked SkS eating the whole dot not just making it faster

Idk I like playing something new so I am having fun

Maybe it’s a hot take but I think play styles/builds changing relatively often is enjoyable and healthy for a spec

[rare kite]

they should, we have had this version of arms for 6 years now. and will be 2 more most likely atleast

[empty sluice]

Sks owns, leave it alone

[small crown]

never. if i wanted to manage dots id play a afflic lock let me unga bunga mixpad my 2 button rotation

[empty sluice]

You do that anyway so where is the problem

[small crown]

i have to remember to hit skullsplitter

[empty sluice]

Aha, so cant manage extra ability, gotcha

[small crown]

listen im not playing arms in raid for its mechinal complexity thats what my ench shaman thats been abandoned by blizzard is for

ugga dugga

[gray steeple]

That hurt my eyes to read.

[empty sluice]

alright

[empty gull]

Arms feel stupidly strong, I have overall of 700+ in 15 to 17 key

[small crown]

but no it skullsplitter is better then ehxil blows so it could be worse for sure

[modern quiver]

lol i didn't realise our dragon roar is 45 seconds now with talent

[rancid knot]

yall quick q

dont we get 2 bullions this week?

[rancid knot]

i feel like all specs scaled up i was doing 600 as enchance on a boss

[grand idol]

yes, but only because last weeks was bugged.

[solid trellis]

Hello guys, do you have also
/startattack
/targetennemy

Macros not working ?

[grand idol]

Too many n's

Enemy

😛

[dire hinge]

I dont think i've used /startattack macros in many, many years unfortunately

just open with a spell and it should put you into combat

charge -> MS

[grand idol]

i just click an attack

it starts attack even when out of range.

Though if hes asking for classic i could see a want for it.

[smoky kayak]

Yeah startattack hasn't been necessary since... MoP I believe

it's baked in now

I don't think /targetenemy has ever been necessary

[zealous pivot]

shnazzy lil 18 nelth

[sullen plover]

We're up boys!

8 av lol

[inland drift]

Numbers

[zealous pivot]

bro honestly

EB is the highest fun ratio talent we got

im so toxic highrolling 5 cleave resets

shamelessly padding my io

[pseudo cipher]

https://puu.sh/KbHg0/4155ec32c3.png hahaha

this class is so fun

some part of me misses having so much rage generation but

for this level of dps i'm alright

[halcyon valve]

Had a 1.2 mill cleave crit in an actual real dungeon run yesterday
Ive never felt sexier, but theres no way they arent nerfing this lmao

[empty sluice]

Rookie numbers

[gaunt owl]

Gameplay still shit

Dont get baited by the numbers

[silk spade]

what would you prefer

[empty sluice]

Its better than it was imo

[daring heron]

sidegrade imo

but feels like downgrade cause fury upgraded

[gaunt owl]

Shit dmg shit gameplay

So blizzard finally move their ass and give us a proper rework

Not this masquerade of new cool stuff so people ignore how bad the base is

After 1 tier of Colossus you gonna get bored

And they probably wont be able to do any tier set that impact gameplay

[empty sluice]

Bro u need holiday🤣

[gaunt owl]

I wont settle for numbers

We needed 4 seasons of aura buff to be competitive and more and in the process they nuked SKS niche, make OP our bread and butter.

All the fix we got on the spec, were already asked in DF beta by Archi

[livid cloak]

I've only done a few keys this week, but i like the gameplay until we get to execute

Then the rage issues feel pretty bad

May be different with ST talents

Having slam back is nice, cleave replacing ww is nice

[daring heron]

with crit thinking execute is pretty much fine

but thats too much of an investment in keys

[livid cloak]

I'm still relatively new to warrior, df s2 was my first season on war and didn't try arms until s3, so I'm not bored of the playstyle

[daring heron]

crit thinking is 20% exe refund, it's so huge

[livid cloak]

Oh nice

[daring heron]

still wish they'd move half of that to baseline execute

[livid cloak]

Dropping massacre in keys for exhilarating blows was more fun for sure

And i guess in st you take the talent that gives op rage Gen in execute too?

[rare kite]

honestly i think you take neither

[vital mulch]

You are just making me think you are speaking about yourself in third person "Crit thinking"

[daring heron]

nah havent taken that or crit thinking

just deal with execute feeling a bit starved

[inland drift]

wdym dont get baited by numbers , numbers high make brain go happy

[hazy flower]

Im used to no windfury gaming

[daring heron]

no way to avoid it with most m+ builds i think

[hazy flower]

No windfury, no bitches

[daring heron]

[halcyon elm]

numbers change often, gameplay not as often.

[inland drift]

as an accountant, i agree

[thick kelp]

Are we talking about the same execute phase

[daring heron]

isnt that crit thinking

also sd procs and rav active

[vital mulch]

Dentge aptly describes me

[thick kelp]

Unfort yes

Without ct

go bed

between aa

[daring heron]

yep

20% refund on execute makes a big difference who'd have thunk

move 10% to baseline execute and change ct to 5/10%

or riot

[vital mulch]

Crit what was the name of bag addon you used now? Mine still haven't gotten an update

[daring heron]

betterbags

[vital mulch]

Cheers

[thick kelp]

without CT

[frigid lava]

collateral damage?

[daring heron]

during ravager too

it's when you haven't been in cds for a while it really slows down in my experience

[thick kelp]

ye wanted similar comparison to the previous ss

[daring heron]

but ye you can definitely see the difference between the 2

[livid cloak]

Where ms

[daring heron]

ravager casts it

[livid cloak]

Oh true

[daring heron]

so the EP stacks are being consumed

[thick kelp]

No point casting it during ravager

just go exe exe op exe exe

Loses alot of value if cast outside of 2x EP inside execute

[gaunt owl]

Did you try to do this in the APL already ?

[thick kelp]

yep its there

Fishy crafted it in kinda funky way but

works for now

[gaunt owl]

As long as its working how we need it to

Gonna have to check soon

[thick kelp]

We tested a bunch of versions of the weird implementation we did and got it to work pretty accurately

[split laurel]

dumb question - if I use skullsplitter with less than 10 seconds left on rend I am losing damage - right?

[thick kelp]

no

just dont let rend debuff fall off

during the duration of sks debuff

[split laurel]

thanks

[honest girder]

So just on this

How do the ms casts during ravager work, does it cast it on cd?

Or are they completely seperate events

Which consume buffs

I assumed the latter

Presumably you need to be in melee range for the casts to go off because they come from you and not the ravager blade?

[thick kelp]

your ravagers every 2nd tick does a MS on your target

which consumes EP

[latent moss]

exe exe op / exe exe exe is within margin of error during ravager

so u could pool rage

[honest girder]

Does the MS come from the player or the ravager?

[latent moss]

by pressing op

and do 3x exe if u are gonna cap

[honest girder]

Like could you be out of range?

[latent moss]

i think exe exe op is more realistic

to pool rage after ravager ends

[scarlet sapphire]

wowhead guide suggests signet brand trinket, so do WCL but i'm in a hc clear atm with a warr same ilvl as me with same ilvl trinkets and his augury is doing SO much more than my signet brand.. any reason or just RNG? I'm talking 2/3x my brand damage every boss so far

[thick kelp]

brand takes 5mins to scale

if u do hc raids sim for 3min boss fights etc and determine your trinket

[hazy flower]

Not always fyi, sometimes you can highroll and scale really fast

But yesh

Its a long-fight kind of trinket

Stat stick + puzzle box is prob like a best choice for 2-3 min zergs

[daring heron]

fury definitely needs less than 5 mins for it to be good

[thick kelp]

ye but fuck fury ?

[daring heron]

although maybe it's different if you use powerful enrage 🤢

[thick kelp]

powerful enrage batchest

[scarlet sapphire]

makes sense. I'm still sat on 2 bullions, is it worth grabbing augury if i don't have puzzle box? Currently just have essence and brand

true, fuck fury

[thick kelp]

Throw a 3min droptimizer for bullion items

[scarlet sapphire]

Can't currently can we? raidbots sims aren't working properly for prepatch

or has that been updated now

[thick kelp]

they have been working sinc yday

[scarlet sapphire]

really? when i'm trying right now it's pulling me through as only using Mortal strike and no other talents

[thick kelp]

update your simulationcraft addon

[scarlet sapphire]

ah ok i seem to have installed that seperately instead of through wowup etc

[scarlet sapphire]

just done a 3 min sim for both raid vendors and m+ all at the same ilvl and there's a few trinkets showing like 2/3k upgrades on 3 mins. But the embersoul trinket is showing as like 9k, does this sim incorrectly or something? seems very high

[thick kelp]

no

its a good trinket

you get 2 uses

just doesnt align wiht avatar

so you align the 2nd use with fatality proc or cs use in execute

[civic isle]

prepatch stats laarl /13 BH

[nimble yoke]

is the character boost ilvl gonna increase when the prepatch event comes out? or is it gonna stay 424?

if we know lol

[wind shadow]

Aoe Feels nice but I feel like im hitting slam or overcapping outside of execute

in ST

Hitting slam alot since im a bad typer

[thick kelp]

slam is natural

your prio is ms op2 op1 slam

[wind shadow]

feels weird being capped and hitting op

[thick kelp]

so you will have gamer moments of MS slam slam slam MS op op slam MS

[grave widget]

what is the top 1 dps in our overhall?

[civic isle]

Arms benefited heavily, obv just prepatch mania

[grave widget]

or a wetdream

[smoky kayak]

they come from the player; if you're out of range, Unhinged won't trigger MS, even if Ravager is hitting a target

[olive nest]

Man it feels so bad to wait for 60 rage to execute

[latent moss]

u can send at >40

doesnt make a difference

[proper estuary]

did 1,7mil ms on raid

this is insane tho

[smoky kayak]

it's not actually necessary for every Execute; it's mostly just so that you can Exe -> MS without delay

[latent moss]

you can always exe at the end of melee range then charge back

[smoky kayak]

for some bosses yeah

[latent moss]

now that exe is instant ye

[smoky kayak]

some are weirdly hard to charge due to weird hitboxes

[latent moss]

y that is annoying

[smoky kayak]

like Nymue is such a weird boss; you can't hardly hit her without being up her ass, but you also can't charge her unless you're in africa

[honest girder]

Ta

[latent moss]

remove min distance

ez

[olive nest]

Seems like I get to a point during execute where I have less than 60 rage and the only castable ability is execute or slam

[latent moss]

send exe

[olive nest]

So normally I’d want to execute

[latent moss]

never slam

in exe

[olive nest]

But that doesn’t follow the prio

[latent moss]

it does

wdym

exe>60 only has higher prio than op

if u cant op u send exe

[olive nest]

If 60> doesn’t really matter then yeah

Just was trying to follow the rule of only executing above 60 and it felt dogshit lol

There’s no way to do that reliably without waiting for autos

[latent moss]

actions.execute+=/thunderous_roar
actions.execute+=/champions_spear
actions.execute+=/ravager
actions.execute+=/avatar
actions.execute+=/colossus_smash
actions.execute+=/demolish,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up
actions.execute+=/mortal_strike,if=debuff.executioners_precision.stack=2&cooldown.ravager.remains<70
actions.execute+=/execute,if=rage>=60
actions.execute+=/overpower,if=stack=2
actions.execute+=/skullsplitter
actions.execute+=/overpower
actions.execute+=/execute
actions.execute+=/skullsplitter
actions.execute+=/wrecking_throw

exe>op if rage>60

otherwise op if 2 stacks if not sks for rage

[olive nest]

Oh I see apl clears it up then yeah

[latent moss]

if u dont have op or sks u send exe

[olive nest]

Thanks for sharing that I didn’t look at that

[latent moss]

np also as i said earlier you can always charge weave

[olive nest]

Fucking hell

Charge weaving

[bold granite]

It's 2006

[vital mulch]

Never did like charge weaving

[olive nest]

It’s skill expression I guess

Doesn’t make it enjoyable

[clever crag]

Clam weaving bis

[merry stone]

At least pathing is a little bit better now

It was much more horrid back then when you’re doing crazy zig zags

[smoky kayak]

then you'd just macro charge and use it on cd lol
old berserker rage vibes

[vital mulch]

Still get some odd charges now and then

[latent moss]

[zealous pivot]

i liked doing the reflect on 2nd boss nokhud the other day and charge back in put me in his hitbox

[latent moss]

leap charge

[zealous pivot]

took me a sec to realize how i died

[smoky kayak]

Nymue does that too, Charge is funky because it works off the model rather than the actual hitbox

Fury had that problem a lot when when RA cause CB to charge during SL

[gaunt owl]

the CB charge was cursed

[vital mulch]

Some true horror stuff

[gaunt owl]

whoever had this idea didnt play warrior for sure

[smoky kayak]

it was a PvP thing

[zealous pivot]

also i wish there was a fix to make charge to go where your target is, not where it was

like dynamic pathing or some shit

[gaunt owl]

i'm sure i had a dream where it was like this

[zealous pivot]

has to be a way, whenever our dev gets back from cancun

someday...

[olive nest]

HOLLYY based

Why can a player think of this

And not the devs

[zealous pivot]

just need to hire me ill cook

imagine endlessly chasing something with movement speed increased faster than charge

like mounted or something

[latent moss]

cba finding it but i have a very funny clip from zskarn

i charged and it went through every single trap

there was a clear path

between mea nd the boss

and it went through like 4 traps

XDD

[vital mulch]

Did it do that* Big L shape charge?

[gaunt owl]

you arent ready to be underpaid and overworked

[zealous pivot]

i was born ready

throw all our pvp talents in the class tree

[gaunt owl]

some of them arent gonna translate well into PVE

[zealous pivot]

pretty much just battlefield commander and the one that doubles rally

sharpened blades? cant interest you in a 15% increased ms off gcd

hmmge

[gaunt owl]

lets add more MS modifier

we dont have nearly enough yet

MS between 10k and 1M

[zealous pivot]

gotta give the people what they want

big ms crits

[gaunt owl]

Reliable big MS crit

thats what we had in Legion

it was criting plenty

[zealous pivot]

give us tier set with guarnteed ms like s3 fury

ez

[unreal lynx]

have someone one arms build

[slow saddle]

yes plz

[zealous pivot]

raid or M+?

[unreal lynx]

M¨+

[zealous pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/arms/DAOBUVBVFQgUVKSUUBAOVVBFURFlUkFQFQDRBAAA

[smoky kayak]

^ if you click Load / Export Builds, you'll see a few different setups

[zealous pivot]

but he only asked for one

[night agate]

why blunt instruments instead of warbreaker for the M+ hybdrid prio build?

I get it's more prio, but that seems like a sizeable AoE loss w/ 45s thunderous roar so you can potentially combo more than before

[boreal quartz]

its not a big aoe loss

its lke 1% or so for 5% st

[night agate]

Ah I see

[latent moss]

5% aoe for 10% st

u lose more than 5% on shitter mobs

but ur prio is crazy

[slow saddle]

Wait Hybrid build has Battlelord

isnt it better to take SKS ?=

[strong tendon]

is the loss of Dreadnaught in the hybrid build noticeable?

[frigid lava]

Man.... this cleave absolutely trucks

Hope it stays this way :0

[teal fossil]

you notice it in that it won’t be on the meters

But cleave is so strong that it doesn’t matter

[sturdy plank]

has anybody an SkS build for me?

M+

[ornate eagle]

replace 1 BB with sks

[sturdy plank]

oh ok. thanks man

[nimble yoke]

wtf really?

it seems like it'd be so much bigger of a loss

[boreal quartz]

@nimble yoke

[nimble yoke]

even still i'm surprised it's 5%

[trim niche]

BB is right around 2.7% per point for me.

[latent moss]

y and sks is 284572382% with 45s roar

[long beacon]

sometimes I take a few months off and come back and have no idea what anyone is saying lmao

[dire hinge]

that's super understandable and perfectly fine

it doesn't help when spells keep their name, but get entirely reworked to do something different

[rapid bronze]

well this is nice

[frigid lava]

yea

it's pretty insane

[long beacon]

I saw some mentions of rage issues now with the spec, is this a current issue?

[rapid bronze]

I was doing a weekly 8 with an aug friend so nothing was alive but still managed 992k overall

[frigid lava]

I get careful at pulls.... i notice i start pulling aggro.

[rapid bronze]

yeah no tank can compete with arms burst atm, meld is constantly on cd with me lol

[frigid lava]

esp the first AA pull

I gave a plenty seconds... so I could go all out... still pulled aggro and died lol

[dreamy egret]

nice to get redic buffed before expansion and get portals easy lol

[dire hinge]

grats!

[dreamy egret]

feels like im running time walking

[iron kelp]

on warcraft logs is there a way to see which OCE buff someone has?

main oce buff

[reef glade]

Can maybe see if the other ones say minor resonance

and then just the one that doesn’t say that

Idk if it can keep track of that tho

[dire hinge]

there is not, to my knowledge

it's annoying

we ended up making a post on our raid team and people respond with the color they're using upon it lol

[iron kelp]

ok, thanks

trying to figure out my stat balance...

[teal fossil]

40/40/10/10

[slow saddle]

50/50/40/30

^^

[dreamy egret]

what im rocking with right now

are bullion not dropping anymore ? do I have to go to raid to get my one for this week "I cant remember

[boreal quartz]

You probably just have all of them aquirer

There's a cap of 12+weeklies

[sharp flame]

at least in game, TipTac tells the buff's source, I believe?

[dreamy egret]

could have sworn they said they would be resuming to drop after the last week

where they were glitched

[iron kelp]

what's your oce buff

[atomic sage]

CgEAmidFBOBFf5oKuZ7r/WeW7MAAAAAAAAAAagxAjhZYWGmZ2ghZMGmhZmttZGzMzGzMmZGmhtZbwMjBAAACDAAAAAsBA

good build i been usin for a day now in case anyone wants to try it

https://raider.io/characters/us/burning-legion/Fredstinator?season=season-df-4

actually not even a day, bout 12 hours xD

[dreamy egret]

haste

[boreal quartz]

Drop doesnt mean you cant hit the cap

You have all of them you could earn is my guess

[sharp wyvern]

i did get 2 bullions this week so either im cheating or its fixed

[dreamy egret]

from raid or mythic plus?

[sharp wyvern]

raid

[atomic sage]

are you online? if so copy + paste this to see if you're capped
/run a=C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(3010) print("You have earned " .. a.totalEarned .. " of " .. a.maxQuantity .. " possible bullion drops")

[dreamy egret]

after I get all my portals out the way ill go do some raid i suppose

[sharp wyvern]

even lfr works

fyi

[atomic sage]

so yeah do LFR

[sharp wyvern]

if your lucky you get 2 from 1 boss

[atomic sage]

get em in like 2 mins

[sacred oxide]

Does anyone know if the new transmog limitations being lifted applies to Taeshelac farming?

[dusty summit]

not sure, it was/is a personal drop

[dire hinge]

the tooltip says warbound on wowhead now, so prooobably?

[dusty summit]

oh, should work then ye

emphasis on should

[dire hinge]

good luck! i hope it drops for you!

[civic isle]

😂

[spare goblet]

I don't see a way to copy the string from this page

[spare goblet]

Ah okay I figured that was a link to the spec calc

[dire hinge]

it mirrors the in-game verbiage

[dire hinge]

hehe, i decided to roll the bones and see if it'd drop, but little did I know that it was me who would get dropped (through the floor, and out of bounds)

[wintry scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

[dreamy egret]

first boss heroic

https://tenor.com/view/snerz-gif-23355256

oh my holy fuck

[olive nest]

[dire hinge]

Arms pumps

We had two 100s on our mythic Nelth kill and the difference between arms and other one was like 170k

[thick kelp]

[olive nest]

[dreamy egret]

its crazy 100k over sim lol

[random ridge]

[tepid epoch]

do i still aim for 40% haste or has it lost a lot of value now?

[gray steeple]

Stack crit imo. Enjoy it while it lasts. Or sim

[spark mango]

guys

my execute has stopped glowing when i can use it

any fixes?

[dire hinge]

the one from your bars or on a weakaura?

[spark mango]

from my bars

it would glow when target became 35% or i got sudden death

its really messing my side eye gaming up

[dire hinge]

a few of my colleagues were experiencing the same last night and we ended up just making them a weakaura for it instead that they put over their action bar until it got fixed

[spark mango]

got the wa?

isnt it the same for everyone?

[dire hinge]

i dont have execute on my bars (i bind it elsewhere) so i am not sure

i dont have the weakaura though, we ripped it out of a premade pack from wago.io

that's probably the best bet for now, but you can report it as a bug in-game int he meantime

[spark mango]

thx

[dire hinge]

of course!

[dreamy egret]

the old sound is also missing

it doesnt give that satisfying kurchunk

[old urchin]

They nerfed the condemn noise also. It’s much quieter.

[dreamy egret]

yeah i liked the condemn noise

[cinder verge]

anyone else's colossus smash/warbreaker wa randomly break?

[steep delta]

Guide says no warbreaker for m+?

[dire hinge]

Correct

It feels weird, but I promise it’s not needed, the constant uptime of Deep Wounds from Cleave means our AoE doesn’t take a big hit from not having warbreaker.

And the Blunt Instruments talent means we get a longer In For The skill buff, which is really powerful

[dire hinge]

I don’t know if it’s intentional or not, but previously Warbreaker was identifiable if you just watched “Colossus Smash” as a trigger, but that stopped happening in Prepatch. Now you need an aura for both versions

[cinder verge]

its weird because it sometimes works but randomly breaks

[dire hinge]

You can just duplicate the Colossus Smash weakaura and update the Trigger/Load to look for Warbreaker on the copy, then it should be smoother

[cinder verge]

hmm

yeah i guess ill just set a trigger condition based on talents

[manic stirrup]

same

boss was at 17% before i realized it wss in execute lol

my ui also doesnt track ravager idk why

[wary holly]

crit

[dire hinge]

Same reason as above with CS/WB. They’re considered different spells now and BS doesn’t automatically flip to Ravager atm

It’s mildly annoying

You can make a [known] macro and put that on your bars instead and it fixes it if you want though

[manic stirrup]

oh thanks

appreciate it man

[dire hinge]

No problemo! Ran into it as well haha

[sterile carbon]

Hi all, I am looking to return to wow, and just wanted to see how warr is feeling/looking for new xpack

[midnight mural]

warrior fuck good

[hazy flower]

@slender sonnet

neck it

[slender sonnet]

what

[hazy flower]

neck

[cerulean dock]

Does sweeping strikes interact with cleave?

[reef glade]

No but if u have fob it sweeps the slam cast by it

[summer quartz]

Is warbreaker not worth grabbing instead of blunt instruments in both m+ and raid?

[rocky dune]

I think the feedback is blunt is 5% ST damage vs Warbreakers 1% cleave damage.

Or something to that affect

[outer holly]

in nelth, do you still have to space out the dot from the chains on 2nd boss?

[rocky dune]

You mean because of the overwhelming damage?

[outer holly]

slag eruption

after grounding chain

[rocky dune]

Yea you used to trip 2 chains, hold 1...it's less required based on key level and healer ability.....should be less threatening at this point I think.

[ebon fern]

You were right, the changes to arms feel a lot better in practice that when i was reading

Do i like it more than before? I would say it's about on par

Rage gen feels fine, AM still is significant cdr, ravager is awesome

But execute is kinda, not great

[outer holly]

Yeah, haven't ran the dungeon since S2 so wasn't sure if anything changed, still feels like it hurts when stacked

[ebon fern]

Damage is out of this world though

It's fucking crazy how much damage warrior is doing right now

[rocky dune]

Yea but healing is absurd right now....can always play it safe and just follow the standard 2 and 1.

[ebon fern]

I was sustaining 300k+ st at ilvl 500

Which is absurd

[rocky dune]

I spent all night at ilvl 512, shitty optimization giving my raid a run for their money in a casual heroic with nearly all 528-529 folks

600k H Earbug at ilvl 511

[ebon fern]

Yea, it's fucking nuts

I also remember fury warrior doing insane damage in the df pre patch

I wonder why

This is the second time that warrior is completely busted in pre patch

[rocky dune]

I always stay reserved....heroic talents and max TWW level....can change a lot and suddenly we can be bringing up the rear potentially

[ebon fern]

They absolutely killed dreadnaught though, but cleave is doing insane damage i guess

[rocky dune]

Sometimes it's almost best not to be the beast in pre-patch

[ebon fern]

How is dance of death? I'm really not a big fan of these "on death" talents

Too situational

The effect itself seems strong

But the proc condition is making me cringe a bit

They really need to take all of these "on death" proc conditions and take them out of the game

Well, maybe some are fine, but this one is not

if they wanna add a ravager/storm extension, they should do it in another way, frankly speaking

[dire hinge]

Condemn in DF prepatch flew us too close to the sun haha

Something like 60% of our overall was one button

[ebon fern]

By the way, how is dance of death? On paper, it seems shit, specifically for the proc condition

[dire hinge]

I haven’t paid attention to it, unhinged too strong

[ebon fern]

It's pretty cool, but the proc condition just ruins it

[dire hinge]

You can always give it a shot, but we already do plenty of AoE via cleave to the point where we aren’t even taking Warbreaker, so without Slayer talents there isn’t really a need for Dance of Death in prepatch imho

[ebon fern]

And ravager isn't really that strong, the damage itself isn't what it's strong, or so it would seem

Yea, but why use dance? When merciless is probably better

[dire hinge]

Ravager owns right now

[ebon fern]

I don't know, i think they just need to change the proc condition

Well yea, it is strong, because of unhinged, and the rage gen

The damage itself doesn't seem particularly crazy though

[dire hinge]

We don’t worry about Ravager itself, so much as the Merciless Bonegrinder during Ravager, the rage it generates, and Unhinged, all while letting you do your full aoe throughout the entire time

[ebon fern]

Exactly

I always wanted ravager back, i'm just not a massive bladestorm fan

cleave fucking slaps though

And it slaps hard

[dire hinge]

Yeah, Slayer will help a lot with Bladestorm, it’s a little weird, but spiffy

Haha yeah cleave is wild right now

[ebon fern]

Iv'e seen it crit for 700k at 500 ilvl and merciless wasn't even talented

It's insane

[dire hinge]

Haha, yeah 1.5M ish is normal for individual crits, certain conditions can push it over 2

Per target, just wild

[ebon fern]

Yea, i don't know why it's so strong right now

The tooltip doesn't seem to reflect such insanity

[dire hinge]

It slurped up all of whirlwind and cleave talents combined

[rancid knot]

sorry for the unrelated question but is there a timewakling vendor when its not a timewalking event week?

[dire hinge]

I don’t believe so, but I’d love to learn there is one!

[rancid knot]

hmm based on forum answers there seem to be none 😦

wished they had a perma one wanna upgrade some heirlooms

[dire hinge]

Agreed, there are the gold-based ones but that would be nice

[strong tendon]

what do you all tjhink of dropping battlelord for merciless bonegrinder in hybrid?

[weak wave]

Which hybrid build do you use?

[strong tendon]

Wowhead

[sharp flame]

what's the trick to SkS? just let the bleeds tick, then reapply? or?

[dire hinge]

use it on cooldown once your Rend and Deep Wounds are applied.
every other cast will align with your Thunderous Roar

While thunderous roar is ticking, your bleeds do way more damage, so you wanna hold that every-other SkS to use it inside of that roar window

[sharp flame]

[weak wave]

So a /castsequence macro for SkS and Roar is okay if I wanna save keybindings?

[dire hinge]

To each their own with that imho, i personally have them seperate, but if it helps your brain i fully support it

[weak wave]

Okay 👍

[visual seal]

Hey guys, can u give me a Single Target and Multi target opener? im bit overwhelmed

[modern quiver]

the class guide on wowhead gives you the opener, just go to rotation and click the X to select the abilities talented and it gives the opener rotation

[visual seal]

but for example critcake opens like charge clap, avatar + warbreaker into roar+Ravager and then prio list

guide says something else it i am not mistaken

[weak wave]

Yeah first cast your Roar and Ravager. After that Warbreaker/cs

[visual seal]

but avatar first still?

avatar wb roar ravager?

[weak wave]

Roar, Ravager, Avatar, Warbreaker

[visual seal]

but why dont i use avatar first?

isnt roar enhanced by avatar?

[weak wave]

Maths I guess

[modern quiver]

might be so, but also seems abit along the side of when we would use test of might since those abilities didnt spend rage

i personally do the one mentinoned before

[weak wave]

But we don't use TOM anymore do we?

[modern quiver]

no, but thats what im saying

[weak wave]

Ah 😅

[graceful axle]

and hopefully it stays dead

[teal fossil]

thats a lot of ST damage gone

[misty bridge]

The order you pop your major cds is not really performance changing, that’s why sims show you they’re using troar first

[hexed saddle]

no thats actually just optimal

the initial damage from troar just isnt worth spending a global of cs + avatar on

[misty bridge]

I stand corrected

[hexed saddle]

in general you're correct tho, ordering of cd's is typically a very small gain

doesnt need to be 100% perfect

[gaunt owl]

mmh

now its gonna be more important

[vernal beacon]

anyone else insanely bothered by execute not glowing when available anymore? :/ i hope they revert that

[woven wasp]

it always glowed whenever usable, whether it be SD or in execute range, whats the difference if it just goes from greyed out (whatever you wanna call it) to not

[daring heron]

nah i generally roar before wb

i was doing all kinds of shit cause i have no muscle memory on what order im supposed to send my 50 cd buttons

[honest girder]

Slappy hands

SkS is taking some getting used to though, been a minute since I had a keybind for it

[gaunt owl]

you wanna send Ravager before Warbreaker or CS

[honest girder]

Is anyone else preferring the ravager hybrid over bladestorm build in m+?

I feel like I just get more out of it

[gaunt owl]

its because your hands a free with Ravager

and without Hero talent Bladestorm will not be as juicy

[honest girder]

Definitely

[sullen plover]

Brothers, we’re looking very good in pre patch

[gaunt owl]

if you mean number we are always good

[sullen plover]

Missed big dam cleaves going brrrr

[honest girder]

I actually enjoy playing arms until execute phase

It’s really funky in exe phase after coming out of DF

[vernal beacon]

periferal vision was used to the glow

[sullen plover]

Tis’ true!

[minor gust]

Numbers aren't everything don't get your hopes up

[tribal kindle]

guys i feel overwhelmed with amount of cds on prepatch, i have to track anger management with ravager and colossal smash with dragon roar and every other dragon roar i need to time colossal smash and sks and roar and sometimes in aoe i need to ss to cleave sks idk how can i fit in war within new ability demolish into all of this. i dont want to change but this feels like unholy dk and i dislike unholy dk gameplay

[gaunt owl]

lol send everything on CD

just do the order fine

Rend -> Troar -> Ravager -> Avatar+CS -> MS -> SKS

there is no rocket science

you send everything on timing after

[tribal kindle]

on pull yes i do that but later everything got mixed with anger management reducing ravager and smash

[thick kelp]

cds on cd

[tribal kindle]

and in aoe i dont know if its worth holding them or just send it on boss and so be it

[thick kelp]

cds on cd

[gaunt owl]

holding CD is the bane of existance

people hold them so long they keep it ready for next xpac

[vocal solar]

U either die as a holder or live long enough to become a sender

[rancid solstice]

Or u die a sender bc tank can’t hold threat so next time you hold long enough to become a liver

[thick kelp]

This is arms mate

Just parry

[boreal quartz]

I did point this out and no one believed me

It is a bit much

[thick kelp]

Wmy troar rava ava cs sks

quick opener

[gaunt owl]

flame the tank for being shit at the game

[boreal quartz]

SL was AA cs ava

Xd

We dont talk about fury cds

[quasi torrent]

pwarr moment

[thick kelp]

only played thst for a little but definetly prefer sl vs this

not to even mention we r gonna add demolish

[ornate eagle]

I don't mind the cds

Sks is a bit awkward

Rest is fine

[vestal smelt]

Are we playing sks in m+? Surely not right?

[zenith warren]

is this correct?
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [known:Ravager] Ravager; Bladestorm

[zenith warren]

critcake's

[vestal smelt]

Hmm interesting

[ornate eagle]

I think this is outdated

[vestal smelt]

I saw him mention that he's playing CS and it feels really good in M+ but didn't realise he's playing sks too

[ornate eagle]

But I could be wrong

[thick kelp]

there shld be one without sks on wowhead

for m+

[vestal smelt]

Sks would provide more prio/st right?

[ornate eagle]

Yes

[zenith warren]

imo arms full aoe is always dog for m+, less aoe but strong st/prio is da way

[vestal smelt]

I'm assuming it still benefits from SS interaction though ye? Never played it in m+ before

[ornate eagle]

Correct, but the value cleave + fob + mbg + collat provides is actually bonkers

From the few keys that I did

And I still did 500-600k st dps

I actually enjoyed that

[vestal smelt]

I think crit was saying that he was dozing like double the next dps on st. Might be worth playing on Tyr weeks or when there is an overtuned boss

[ornate eagle]

Yeah arms is turbo op currently

Like, praying to god they don't nerf tww because of pre-patch crimes

[vestal smelt]

From what I've seen fdk is pumping but maybe I'm just better at fdk than arms lmao

[ornate eagle]

Fdk is turbo pumping aswell yes

Cuz buttons besides oblit do dmg now

[boreal quartz]

Brew dps warrior

[vestal smelt]

I did see they nerfed exterminate tho lol. That thing was doing insane numbers

[zenith warren]

do you guys think we will play spear ever again? I had it bound to '4' in shadowlands and haven't change it since but cba missing a quite comfy keybind for next 2 years xd

[vestal smelt]

I thought that spear was simming better but was just unrealistic to get actual benefit from it

But I'm unsure what it is lately. I know pwar was dabbling with it a little in beta but that might have changed too

[ornate eagle]

pwar plays it on pure ST

but arms has too much synergy with bleeds due to sks

[zenith warren]

at this point i wouldnt mind if they repalced it with something new, spear hasnt been played at all for whole dragonflight for all war specs, dead talent+its capstone

[ornate eagle]

spears CD is just too long

thats the main offender

[vestal smelt]

I saw a few pwars using it in keys for good snap threat but I don't know how viable that is if I'm honest

[vestal smelt]

Yup that's my issue with it

[ornate eagle]

rule of thumb, if you dont know the pwar personally or his name is nomeratur, i wouldnt trust him