Whirlwind rage change really messed up my rotation
#arms
west wasp
halcyon valve
rage changes got me feeling things
its not even that big of a difference but the vibe has changed
wind quiver
it's a very big difference in execute
west wasp
It feels like im a new to warrior with the update
autumn mortar
It feels like im a new to warrior with the update
Agreed
silk spade
seek deity
slender sonnet
isn't BM supposed to be bugged
silk spade
I thought it was surv
west wasp
isn't BM supposed to be bugged
Teach me your ways oh friend of odyn
slender sonnet
Teach me your ways oh friend of odyn
ravager
silk spade
DF arms was an abomination
manic stirrup
if u disagree u smell bad
sharp wyvern
charred brook
fury was better like first few weeks of s2
it was like the best spec in the game
for like 2 weeks
if even
charred brook
it was best spec in pre patch for approx 15 minutes
sharp wyvern
and the only reason was that every boss had adds
shouldnt fury be better at larry ?
manic stirrup
idk im pretty sure arms was just better than fury in s2
if not better, equal depending on what fight you were doing
and what role you had the warrior in the group doing
sharp wyvern
fury out dpsed arms on neltharion and sark the entire season cause pad
but arms had more boss dmg and thats what matters
teal fossil
fury was better for first 2 weeks on s2 yeah
lunar vessel
isn't BM supposed to be bugged
you wanna see bugged?
that's a 9 academy
and a 490 hunter
teal fossil
except echos was the most insane arms fihgt ever existed
charred brook
fury was like the strongest spec period in the game first 2 weeks lol
manic stirrup
idk i just straight up disagree
west wasp
Arms is super fun to me rn
what trinkets did you use?
slender sonnet
what trinkets did you use?
augury/oce
sharp wyvern
disagreeing with facts is not healthy
charred brook
idk i just straight up disagree
u just cant disagree it was statistics
manic stirrup
u just cant disagree it was statistics
prove it
charred brook
lol okay let me dig up the early s2 sims
manic stirrup
fury was one of the top simming classes but also you couldnt really get to furys sim dps
very very low variance and hard to get within like 2k dps of your sim
sharp wyvern
and forgetting that most of the time you would do more dmg anyway cause of cleave
west wasp
do you hit whirlwind at all?
teal fossil
idk im pretty sure arms was just better than fury in s2
this is overall
you can see arms was dogshit
manic stirrup
the fights in general were just great for arms
teal fossil
until they scaled
sharp wyvern
tbf i do agree that fury wasnt better at kazarra if it got 2 beams
teal fossil
aka aura buffs
vital mulch
isn't BM supposed to be bugged
As to my knowledge BM are not bugged. New talents just super good, fall of a bit in TWW because hero talents are kinda meh. Surv is bugged.
west wasp
Oh if only
was whirlwind used as a filler for that fight you did?
wind quiver
the fights in general were just great for arms
only experiments, nelth and sark for prio dmg
manic stirrup
and zskarn
maggy kazzara amalg and assault didnt matter
rashok fury might be better bc they have more self sustain which can save ppl in last minute of the fight
wind quiver
wasn't better on zskarn, you couldn't get too much meaningful cleave as arms there while fury could actually do some meaningful burst on adds
lean plank
Guys? this talent bugged?
teal fossil
https://i.imgur.com/vqqlulQ.png
was this screenshot taken today or from back then
manic stirrup
yes im aware how fury simmed
charred brook
back then
manic stirrup
i literally know who made the sims
charred brook
used wayback machine
teal fossil
cool
manic stirrup
who compiled the sims*
teal fossil
its just default profiles
and you ran all of them
and the profiles are presumably made by archi
for warrior
charred brook
Yeah fury was what was better for literally first 1-2 weeks
And then arms pulled ahead
i distinctly even remember prog during those 2 weeks
manic stirrup
the original ones we made i had to put in furys tier
waxen quail
go prot guy go
silk spade
https://i.imgur.com/E1lk3BF.png
sage badge
Guys? this talent bugged?
Bugged in what way? If you mean its new effect, that's how it is now and moving forward in TWW.
manic stirrup
i wouldve played arms on zskarn and sark but we needed more add damage and every time i tried to switch it just wouldnt work
with how we had our comp
charred brook
thats my concern with some end bosses now
lean plank
Bugged in what way? If you mean its new effect, that's how it is now and moving ...
if the effect does not activate or activates sometimes it is rare
charred brook
arms is so good rn but like losing DN kinda blows
for like intermissions adds on all 3 last bosses
wind quiver
i wouldve played arms on zskarn and sark but we needed more add damage and every...
I ended up playing arms on sark for the prio dmg, killed zskarn during the cheese corner strat period though so didn't really matter what you played on that then
manic stirrup
arms was just better with how the raid worked, lusting p3 nelth and the whole of p2 and getting haste buffs during execute phase on sark
two most important bosses arms was better on depending on your comp
west wasp
isn't BM supposed to be bugged
How did you do 900k dps per second might i ask?
sage badge
if the effect does not activate or activates sometimes it is rare
Not aware of that one, but it does have an unintended interaction with collateral damage talent. It could be bugged though, would need more testing.
lean plank
Not aware of that one, but it does have an unintended interaction with collatera...
Thanks bro ❤️
slender sonnet
How did you do 900k dps per second might i ask?
this was my breakdown if it helps, just spammed tf out of cleave lol
gaming tho
strong tendon
do we need to track collateral damage?
dire hinge
do we need to track collateral damage?
not really no, you'll be spamming Cleave anyways, so you'll just have a massive one in the hopper for when you use it next
there's situations where it's nice though, like at the end of a pack when there's not many mobs left
you could carry that into a fresh pack instead of blowing a JUICED cleave into 2 napkin-health enemies
west wasp
this was my breakdown if it helps, just spammed tf out of cleave lol
did you do a myhtic key ?
dire hinge
yeah that's a m+ key
west wasp
Do you just hit slam for single target?
slender sonnet
I dont have slam on my bar
just spam ms
ms > op > cleave > tc is what i've been doing st
autumn mortar
we hit the milly
Amazing, can you post your spec? This is an MT/Mythic build?
slender sonnet
Amazing, can you post your spec? This is an MT/Mythic build?
autumn mortar
Cheers
west wasp
is this a single target and multi target build?
potent cedar
what addon gives you those spec buttons at the bottom right
assuming that's what they are
slender sonnet
what addon gives you those spec buttons at the bottom right
I think
potent cedar
shadow ibex
arms was just better with how the raid worked, lusting p3 nelth and the whole of...
ehhh fury taking care of adds was pretty important on nelth as well
earlier on imo at least
wind quiver
arcane, dev and other passive cleave could handle most of that
didn't wanna overdo it
manic stirrup
i hate the idea of fury on nelth
hazy flower
fury is brutal but legit just play what's most fun for you
its not even a season
its prepatch
slender sonnet
is this a single target and multi target build?
yeah it works well on bosses and aoe packs
nimble yoke
fury is brutal but legit just play what's most fun for you
by brutal do you mean big deeps
and i'm gonna play what's most fun for me regardless tbh but both fury and arms are equally fun lmao
olive nest
I’ve seen posted* 1m+ overalls on arms
No fury data
Pretty sure Critcake is streaming fury
mellow seal
first impressions the general talent tree seems like a huge improvement
shadow ibex
pretty easy to improve on shit
wild heart
I’ve seen posted* 1m+ overalls on arms
Ive got 900k neltharus overall +10
copper summit
easy dmg
nimble yoke
how do you want to make use of sweeping strikes and bladestorm with bonegrinder and collateral damage in a dungeon?
copper summit
we were lost
nimble yoke
like should you not use SS right after bladestorm so you can stack more collateral damage? or does it not matter?
chrome flint
Should ravager be used @player or @mouseover ?
fringe moon
was battlelord also supposed to reset cleave? Or was it intended to only reset MS?
hallow turtle
Is TC gone and we have to use rend now or is that a TWW thing?
dire hinge
was battlelord also supposed to reset cleave? Or was it intended to only reset ...
it used to be MS and Cleave, now it's just MS
dire hinge
Is TC gone and we have to use rend now or is that a TWW thing?
Tlcap still applies rend in AoE, but you now want to cast Rend (natural) in Single Target since it has signicantly more Attack Power scaling on the upfront hit
hallow turtle
ty
dire hinge
Should ravager be used @player or @mouseover ?
Either one, be aware that if you use [@player] you'll want to already be amongst your targets when you cast it, to ensure maximum damage throughput
[@cursor] gives you more control on making sure it goes in the center of a pack, but you gotta be aware of your mouse placement
(and, you know... casting things into the ceiling on accident, thanks blizz)
hallow turtle
I find that [@mouseover] can sometimes cast through the ground and cause issues tho
or it catches the roof
dire hinge
or in pvp it goes on top of the flag pole 🙃
dire hinge
I prefer @player, but i think it's better to @cursor and just be concious of mouse placement
midnight mural
Is TC gone and we have to use rend now or is that a TWW thing?
You can use this macro in order to have only 1 button bound if u want : )
#showtooltip
/cast [nochanneling, known:Thunder Clap] Thunder Clap; Rend
chrome flint
Either one, be aware that if you use `[@player]` you'll want to already be among...
@player and brain off it is then. Thanks
mellow seal
the unhinged talent looks bad 1 extra MS every other cast?
woven wasp
2 ms per ravager
mellow seal
oh deal dmg nvm
tulip rose
where did WW go from my spellbook?
tulip rose
OOOH
dire hinge
and many of the Whirlwind-empowering talents now impact Cleave as well
slender sonnet
Cleave is such a fun button to press now
olive nest
where did WW go from my spellbook?
WW taking a hike
slender sonnet
Imo
dire hinge
Cleave triggering Fervor of Battle + Collateral Damage is pretty sick
nimble yoke
should you be pressing cleave during SS?
slender sonnet
Yeah I think 3 targets + you cleave on cd right
dire hinge
should you be pressing cleave during SS?
if you have Fervor of Battle talented: yes
because Cleave now triggers a Slam on your primary target, and that Slam gets swept
slender sonnet
That explains why I have slam in my damage breakdown
Man I didn’t read my talents
I just took a talent tree and pressed buttons
slender sonnet
I was about to ask what that is
dire hinge
basically the more you Cleave/OP during Sweeping Strikes, you get a MASSIVE cleave at the end of your SS window
dire hinge
SS should basically be used any time there's more than 1 target around you (and you're not about to Bladestorm)
dire hinge
hell yeah, then SS away!
autumn mortar
It feels wrong and weird to have Ravager over Bladestorm as an Arms Warrior
slender sonnet
I find bladestorm so unfun and unintuitive to play personally
autumn mortar
what's the case for Ravager > Bladestorm>
slender sonnet
Not looking forward to playing it with Slayer
dire hinge
what's the case for Ravager > Bladestorm>
you can do things while ravager is rolling, such as blowing Sweeping Strikes earlier since the Mortal Strikes within it sweep
it's more priority based damage
autumn mortar
But in a mobility fight, BS > Ravager no?
slender sonnet
Probably yeah
dire hinge
so you'll get 3 Mortal Strikes out of a ravager (via Unhinged), each gets swept if you have SS active, meaning you can do your full rotation while also getting a free 3 stacks of Collateral Damage
you dont really wanna Sweeping Strikes before a bladestorm, since you can't cast while it's active
autumn mortar
Yea that makes sense, so Ravager unless its a mobility fight
dire hinge
I think ravager is stronger for when you need priority damage into targets throughout the dungeon
since you can MS into the big target while sweeping around it
pseudo cipher
feel like my rage gen is super low compared to before, am i just bad or what
dire hinge
no, that's accurate, arms got its rage generation heavily reduced
pseudo cipher
should i just be spamming less
dire hinge
spell costs were also reduced to match, but we're more rage starved than before
dire hinge
in execute you wanna wait for 60 rage instead of 40 to cast Execute now, but otherwise it's still just MS on CD and fill with others
hehehehe "i was pump-ing"
cinder verge
guys do we hit cleave on ST?
dire hinge
no, we should hit Mortal Strike, Overpower, and Rend, with Slam as filler
Cleave consumes your "martial prowess" buff, so it weakens your Mortal Strike on accident if you use it in Single Target
cinder verge
o ok
potent cedar
Wait slam does ridiculous damage?
or does something make slams happen? lmao
I pressed slam 4 times and it's like 12m damage, that doesn't make sense
dire hinge
i'll need a bit more context to help with that one, are you hitting a single target? AoE? Sweeping strikes? Which talents?
grand idol
That sounds like fervor
lime frigate
Wait
dire hinge
agreed, if you were pressing Cleave at all with Fervor of Battle talented you're automatically casting slams secretly
lime frigate
Did we lose whirlwind?
dire hinge
Did we lose whirlwind?
no, Cleave just replaces it now
narrow coyote
more rage starved sucks
dire hinge
we also dont have TWW gear yet, not that it full saves it, but we're in a transitional state right now
hollow axle
Arms pulling ahead right now?
outer holly
But also slam actually does do damage now
hollow axle
Need some spec to raid
outer holly
Check wowhead, it's updated
hollow axle
I know about wowhead
Just need to know arms of fury..
Iam simming but i think tis bugged on raidbots
minor gust
just pick one you feel like playing its prepatch its not a big deal
potent cedar
That sounds like fervor
Yeah that makes sense
halcyon cave
Is there a build list we’re going off of here that I’m missing?
zealous sphinx
/cast [@player] Ravager Not working?
WAIT
IM dumb
No its not working working whats the right syntax??
midnight mural
looks correct
silk spade
/cast [@player] Ravager Not working?
that should work
zealous sphinx
its working nvm
silk spade
lol
zealous sphinx
it literally still wasn't in my bars
marsh needle
ooo that’s smart i alwyas do a @cursor macro
outer holly
@cursor requires way too much forethought for me
old urchin
The wowhead guide reads to use sudden death procs in multi target but the suggested aoe M+ build doesn't use Sudden death.
Also many thanks to those that manage the wowhead guides etc. I know y'all have been working really hard to have everything ready and it's much appreciated
fringe moon
This tuning is blizzards way of saying, “don’t say you were never top dps”. They’re letting us be on top for 1 month before they neuter us when the expansion comes around.
light vigil
zealous sphinx
Theres a passage under Execute rotation that I dont understand
"Mortal Strike is used exclusively to maintain Rend and Deep Wounds at two stacks of Executioner's Precision"
Im understanding this as if you only press execute to maintain bleeds but its higher on the rotation tab
So is MS still casted when it reaches two stack of EP or only when you want to reapply bleeds
cosmic shale
wild heart
Arms is simming less than fury for me with optimized stats. Is there a new talent build post the changes?
zealous sphinx
Im simming top gear with all enchant and gems and its not even 0.2% to go crit
Ive seen people say stack crit earlier not sure if thats still the go to
charred brook
Sims just aren’t rly right currently
wild heart
Even with nerfs/buffs?
charred brook
Just look what other people are using on logs
urban iron
Patch has been out for like less than 24 hours chillll lol
wild heart
Chill? Im just asking if theres a new build lol
urban iron
There’s some info in the wowhead guide
dry frost
Yo is cleave bugged and doing too much damage?
fringe moon
@smoky kayak when simming, I’m not getting anywhere near the 560k mark that you referenced in your tww update
zealous sphinx
without whilwind it feels weird
smoky kayak
it is a little weird, but you basically weave MS and use TC if you have to
though the nice thing is that you keep up a lot of priority damage while doing your AoE
frigid lava
cleave hits like truck
stark cape
Did they nerf cleave?
frigid lava
I dunno... it just hits oddly harder
stark cape
It aint doing what it was an hour ago on the dummies
I was doing 1.8 million burst, now it aint doing shit in raid lol
steel furnace
You use skullsplitter with TR sure but do you also just use it on CD outside of it
Maybe like MS > OP > skull > slam
rare kite
You use skullsplitter with TR sure but do you also just use it on CD outside of ...
ofcourse you do, you get 2 sks casts for each troar
steel furnace
ofcourse you do, you get 2 sks casts for each troar
oops been doing 1
rare kite
not as in 2 casts within a single troar. as in the cd is twice as short basically, so you would waste sks casts if you didn't use on cd
steel furnace
Ah that makes more sense, i see then
rare kite
is skull a thing now?
ye in raid atleast, not really payed attention for m+ when it comes to arms
devout pewter
Was just thinking that I felt pretty ragestarved throughout a bracken+10 run I just did just to see how my damage is now...
sitting here, tired, now facepalming as I completely forgot to use ravager.
Am I a pro now?
sullen plover
Are we up boys?? Or fury
devout pewter
Play what's fun to you ❤️
gilded stump
devout pewter
Yep
upbeat minnow
Are we up boys?? Or fury
I thought fury was but without changing my gear between the two, arms was doing more for me on dummies. Cleave does a lot
narrow coyote
its weird they rage starved us kinda sucks
dreamy egret
why did they nerf tank dmg so hard?
my overall went up like 200k or 300 almost
I dont remember ever finishing a key at 680k lol
steel furnace
I assume arms stat prios stayed relatively the same?
People saying crit is doing a lot better
But sim
gilded stump
I dont remember ever finishing a key at 680k lol
Ilvl? Key?
keen oxide
Yoyo is unhinged bugged? pumping lots on M+
reef glade
ayo yo whoa whoa WHOA WHAO WHAT is this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nfkn3fQaQytRJPbFjg1ZUw
dreamy egret
Ilvl? Key?
8 527 ilvl
outer holly
Why does cleave breakdown in to 2 seperate instances? Seismic Reverb?
dreamy egret
Why does cleave breakdown in to 2 seperate instances? Seismic Reverb?
might be the buffed cleave with colat v normal
outer holly
One or the other I'm sure
reef glade
anyone else sim their arm and get that? that like 63k higher than my fury... what the freak
gilded stump
Arms is back baby
fringe moon
ayo yo whoa whoa WHOA WHAO WHAT is this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n...
What happened? Why so high now?
fringe moon
i mean the changes went thru
Hmm…just earlier today I was only simming for 511k
gilded stump
THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE FURY WARRIORS AND THEY SPELL DISASTER FOR YOU IN TWW
reef glade
using latest build
fringe moon
Hmm..I’ll try again later. Maybe raidbots updated
reef glade
but still that seems jiga high
dreamy egret
mines 100k lower lol
terse plume
People saying crit is doing a lot better
thx yeah was just curious what I should least be looking at as a starting point to refine the sims
reef glade
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7tNJ93c71RmvDCkA3VWuGn
this what i got for u
swapping just that
gilded stump
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hSh7bxdE1z3MgPFouvdreT
Blood Elf minus dps tax
cloud dawn
Was just thinking that I felt pretty ragestarved throughout a bracken+10 run I j...
Im feeling exactly the same
Feel like im always rage starved
outer holly
Blood Elf minus dps tax
made a humie in remix for a reason
valid grove
I dont remember ever finishing a key at 680k lol
same thing here in neltharus 9 with my warrior..... and it wouldve been more if i didnt die from unexpected aggro 2 times 
i like this prepatch with my warrior tbh
gilded stump
We're finally where we belong
dreamy egret
we going to get nerfed 100%
cloud dawn
How do you guys not feel like youre running out of rage
Am i missing something in the rotation
gilded stump
It feels fine for me but I'm only 516 ilvl
valid grove
executephases in m+ on bosses are a bit slow but else im fine with 40% haste
but the bosses around +10 die fast anyways so
gilded stump
executephases in m+ on bosses are a bit slow but else im fine with 40% haste
Our job is doing 1 mil DPS on big trash pulls
Bosses are whatever
valid grove
double that and we are good
gilded stump
I don't have the axe 
valid grove
gilded stump
It's just not dropping ok
woven kettle
tried arms earlier and feel kinda rage starved now
outer holly
axe is fake
gilded stump
I took a break in s3
woven kettle
am i just bad or...
outer holly
nah, it all depends on your tactician procs
outer holly
and so you starve
valid grove
It's just not dropping ok
i got it on my warrior first when dk was my main and rerolled on warrior because we had none anyways in our raid and 3 weeks later it dropped on dk so i did that crap 2 times
dreamy egret
why do we see souls from a demon hunter now?
valid grove
now i dodge fyrakk with my pally bc i dont want to see that thing again
gilded stump
i got it on my warrior first when dk was my main and rerolled on warrior because...
I really want the transmog for it and I know it's gonna be hell to do it in tww
I'm hoping this weeks my week
outer holly
gotta start mastering the charge weave
woven kettle
gotta start mastering the charge weave
reminds me of SoD
dreamy egret
it only feels weak in single target the rage generation
valid grove
I really want the transmog for it and I know it's gonna be hell to do it in tww
im sure there will be enough raids for it but maybe you should get the mats before tww starts
outer holly
it only feels weak in single target the rage generation
true, aoe I feel pretty much unstoppable
gilded stump
I think I have everything except for the stuff that needs to be crafted
Maybe some shadow fire essence are missing I dunno but they are cheap right now
Not like I'm using any of my gold anyway
narrow coyote
execute phase feels bad just like always out of rage
and its not that its bad.. damage seems pretty high. just feels unfun
valid grove
mmmh quick sim says 427k on weekly and 477k on latest build for me thats weird
zealous pivot
this is absolutely cursed
valid grove
im not sure but finishing your burst with 1 mil+ cleaves can cause some aggro problems for tanks
dreamy egret
could have sworn i saw a 1.5m mortal strike or cleave lol
dreamy egret
that was just in uldaman
highest cleave and ms in nelth was 1.2 each
we gun get nerfed
wide brook
@smoky kayak is arms still dumping excess rage with IP?
dreamy egret
we dont use TOM anymore so why would you
hallow turtle
Also there really isn’t excess rage now
gilded stump
<@61282228017041408> is arms still dumping excess rage with IP?
That hasn't worked for a long time just use IP for incoming aoe or something
valid grove
im sure we could reach way higher cleave crits with timing sweeping strikes outside of warbreaker but idk if thats useful.... but would be fun to find the highest crit xD
hallow turtle
More rage starved
dreamy egret
im sure we could reach way higher cleave crits with timing sweeping strikes outs...
so far im in the lead 1.5m lol
with photo evidence
smoky kayak
<@61282228017041408> is arms still dumping excess rage with IP?
there's no offensive benefit, but you can defensively yes (just don't over use it)
wide brook
@gilded stump @smoky kayak thank you both, its been some time since I've played
smoky kayak
np
modern quiver
arms is doing crazy dmage
modern quiver
i think we got that 30% buff from beta, oh its pinned we did get it
fallen dome
Pretty much have never posted here but for a 16 BH it feels good.
valid grove
i dont know about the current dps-status of the hero talents but ive tested both on beta and i really hope slayer stays competitive in both raid and m+ i just dont like colossus 
if yes i guess warrior will be my main
latent moss
Pretty much have never posted here but for a 16 BH it feels good.
what build
i wanna try some m+
valid grove
im not a fan of channeling abilitys with melees
latent moss
dont know how hard i have to talent into cleave
did u play fervor/collat/imp ss
or just cleave with st
fallen dome
what build
The new wowhead bladestorm build with unhinged.
finite wasp
Warr is kinda op rn but its too bad itll only last less than 4 weeks
finite grotto
where you get that icon bro?
rapid bronze
I suppose it's a good problem to have but tanks just can't hold aggro during warrior burst lol
unkempt burrow
Yeah the scaling right now is ridiculous, the closer you get to 80 the less stats you will have. So cant really tell how the dmg is yet
bold granite
waxen quail
Is it bugged to be cleaving this hard? Someone mentioned a bug but I didn't see anything about it from people talking about it
waxen quail
Fair enough. Someone said bug but I didn't hear anyone saying that anywhere else
ebon garden
I suppose it's a good problem to have but tanks just can't hold aggro during war...
yeah i just died 3 time, like new mob coming to pack, cleave that (beacause why not ) insta aggro, spam defensiv, tank cannot even take aggro on all mob -> Dead
silk spade
HPS back on the menu
grand idol
Rip illidan
hexed turret
grand idol
but all those 6's
reef glade
bro is demonic
boreal zealot
is this the correct ravager macro?
#showtooltip
/cast [nomod, @player] Ravager
/cast [mod:shift] Ravager
ok it worked
peak shuttle
am i trippin? can you cancel BS aura again?
peak shuttle
never realized that was the reason, maybe i should read more often
teal tide
dont think that was explicitly stated in hurricane text
it wasn't in the text, just a for fun flavor thing :3
atomic sage
dont think that was explicitly stated in hurricane text
it was. i remember specifically seeing one of the talents (hurricane) saying that with that talent selected BS cannot be cancelled for its duration
sudden fox
Are we Skullsplitting on CD or just during roar etc
sudden fox
Yeah
magic canopy
but every other you can hold it for a few seconds like make sure its in the roar window
magic canopy
yar
silk spade
do you use it just after roar?
dire hinge
while Roar is ticking
thick kelp
We love Hrothmar
dire hinge
the context is that your talent, Thunderous Words, amplifies all of your bleeds while Troar is actively ticking on your target.
- Skullsplitter makes your Rend/DW tick faster for a bit
- If you Skullsplitter while Troar is ticking, that faster ticking is hitting harder thanks to Thunderous Words
dire hinge
We love Hrothmar
im in the middle of moving between apartments and all I want to do is play with the new talents and update auras 
this is helping my brain in the mean time haha
silk spade
the context is that your talent, Thunderous Words, amplifies all of your bleeds ...
i wasn't sure if the play was jsut before troar or sometime after it
makes sense tho
thick kelp
we tried playing around it in sims but the best result came from just pressing SkS whilst Troar is up on the target
So just send SkS as long as its troar is there
Since SkS is like a 21s cd I personally hold the 2nd for a few seconds for troar
dire hinge
totally! Roar is a 16sec window, so the only real limitation you want to be aware of is your rend duration and roar duration. You'd lose some power if you cast it and either one ended prematurely, but that's not likely to happen
molten horizon
Are we Skullsplitting on CD or just during roar etc
if we use on ~CD, every 2d would goes with roar
thick kelp
if we use on ~CD, every 2d would goes with roar
roar is 45s CD in our best raid build talents
dire hinge
molten horizon
oh, sry, so 2nd )
wintry scroll
minor gust
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1042762634539319366/1053485451668901988/20221217_013459.gif
pseudo cipher
snow flame
empty sluice
owns
lunar vessel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mQxpRahCGwidmBbMPqv2C7 almost 600
If you drop a point from deft experience and put it into sharpened blades you might hit it
steep osprey
steep osprey
<:Ravager:289159491474292736> owns
You own
steep osprey
I know people like to shit on arms
but i find it fun tbh
Execute might be a bit of an issue but meh
Being able to actually use slam instead of WW and TC on CD because there's no other filler feels 100000 times better
halcyon valve
Being able to actually use slam instead of WW and TC on CD because there's no ot...
Amen
Arms good
steep osprey
It feels complete
Big MS on Cd, Slam as a filler and to proc OP
OP to buff MS and generate some rage during the gcds
idk im smoking something maybe
unkempt burrow
Yeah i dont really like the rotation on fury at all, i perfer arms all day
fierce inlet
is slayer or colossus looking better for arms numbers wise and gameplay wise
thick kelp
🔮
vernal crypt
honest girder
errant bough
Correct.
daring heron
yeah
lunar vessel
Demolish is a nice button to press. I think it would be horrible to press bladestorm in ST and most of the Slayer stuff doesn't buff Ravager.
So from a gameplay pov I think colossus but numbers wise who knows
gilded stump
Demolish is a nice button to press. I think it would be horrible to press blades...
Parried
magic canopy
it can get parried btw
latent hull
I'm sure they'll fix that anyway
🧢
boreal quartz
Standing behind boss challenge
Have you played any boss im the history of wow ever
I will now stand behind smolderon and ignore the soak!
lunar vessel
I will now stand behind smolderon and ignore the soak!
Well half the time you ain't stood behind him
thick kelp
Bring back spell resist
latent hull
(on beta) so fucked either way
Can be on live aswell
lunar vessel
Parry has to be deleted
How will I get value from Storm Wall if they do this 🤪
boreal quartz
delete juggernaut
delete parry
latent hull
Parry actually has to go
boreal quartz
(also stormwall icd killed talent so why care)
latent hull
I remember doing smolderon
I had avatar+cs
Like 2 op stacks maybe
I hit ms and it parries
boreal quartz
If you defend parry you got dropped as a kid 
lunar vessel
The solution is to bring back weapon skill
latent hull
If you defend parry you got dropped as a kid <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Blizzard defends parry no wonder the game is bad
boreal quartz
Blizzard defends parry no wonder the game is bad
Correct
lunar vessel
I mean yeah parry is fucking horrid. Demolish still feels good tho
latent hull
Instead of focusing on making the game better they make trolls have pink hair option
boreal quartz
Troll beards when
latent hull
10% size increse for warrior when
thick kelp
@steep osprey dans back btw
steep osprey
Saw already, thanks
lusty tulip
did they take away whirlwind from arms?
halcyon breach
No
graceful axle
only if you talent into cleave
midnight mural
No, you still have the spell. You just dont use it.
slender sonnet
I really like how arms feels rn
My feelycrafting stonks are up
Did AA last night and did 4.5m dps on the first pull 
empty sluice
Yea but tanks are weird, feels like they do no dmg and have no aggro
graceful axle
the aggro is more of a pre patch scaling thing prolly
quasi torrent
so many tanks on like 200-300k overall yesterday
idk tank threat feels even worse somehoe
truely a tilter when u do 1m overalls and ure just running half the fucking pulls
quasi torrent
Only played with vdh ppal and guardian
guardian felt by far nicest to play with
But prepatch is fake af anyway lets b real
boreal quartz
Usually ppal or brew worked out for me but i havent been able to play yet
vital mulch
so many tanks on like 200-300k overall yesterday
Get dat Aug in group for the buff that reduces threath by 30% xD
quasi torrent
but ive also not touched arms so
daring heron
brews vary so much somehow
thick kelp
Hard spec innit
quasi torrent
brews vary so much somehow
not a surprise when the spec has 14 rotational abilities
daring heron
just learn to play smh
vital mulch
Probably because brew is the only tank that needs more than 2 Brain cells
quasi torrent
im only exaggerating a bit
idk brew ST rot is harder to play optimally than s4 arms with varying 4-9 targets
boreal quartz
not a surprise when the spec has 14 rotational abilities
It lost 5 apparently
brazen swift
does anyone have a arms build that ican try for pvp because the builds im going on and trying just do not feel right at all and i feel like im putting zero damge out
quasi torrent
Its just dumb
quasi torrent
It lost 5 apparently
still 8 too many
boreal quartz
still 8 too many
Yeaa
daring heron
tbh pwar is kinda like that too, some players just do negative damage but i dont get how you can mess up pwar
gaunt minnow
meld was perma on cd
Play with a pally that will bop you on cd smile
quasi torrent
tbh pwar is kinda like that too, some players just do negative damage but i dont...
Pwarr outside cds moment
when are they getting back blessing of salv
boreal quartz
Pwarr outside cds moment
How are u out of CDs with am tho
daring heron
just wait until war within where you'll feel the diff between good and bad tank even more
quasi torrent
i mean i doubt ill do keys past weekly
gaunt minnow
daring heron
no big anda keys?
storm matrix
anyone have any tips as to the best way to sync up collateral damage with merciless bonegrinder? do i use my avatar before, after or during my Bladestorm for best results?
vital mulch
tbh pwar is kinda like that too, some players just do negative damage but i dont...
Nothing suprises me anymore Crit. Not after i met the 520 ilvl Fury warrior that didn't have rampage on bars and didn't know whirlwind made him cleave
Boi didn't even break 100k DPS 💔
gaunt minnow
Buyer?
vital mulch
I think he was just really dimwitted @gaunt minnow . Like i tried to explain to him in whisper and he really tried to learn
quasi torrent
no big anda keys?
siege mists and necrotic wake
vital mulch
Was just not connecting
quasi torrent
are fundamentally flawef
Blizz keeps designing keys in a way they're not fun to me
latent moss
mists is a banger 
vital mulch
Mist needs a fix. How can they think melee likes being unable to do ANYTHING for extended periods of time
latent moss
ye but melee with high uptime beat ranged cause its harder to have high uptime as melee
quasi torrent
Mist needs a fix. How can they think melee likes being unable to do ANYTHING for...
dungeon designer is also mage designer (secret lore)
gaunt minnow
I think he was just really dimwitted <@351415911783333888> . Like i tried to exp...
I guess everyone learns at different paces
vital mulch
Yea ofc. But one would think you at least knew how to get spells out of the book. That was one issue he had
daring heron
i cant wait to see teams just use evoker and grips to stand on a random ass pole and afk turret
vital mulch
Truly riveting gameplay
vital mulch
Wonder how they would fix the pole stuff. Making them Evade if Group size is X but mobs can only target Y amount of players?
vital mulch
True, can't be to hard to just send a few peeps in and see if they can get onto stuff
quasi torrent
ehhh
exhaustive testing isnt really real
Leave it to an army of nerds figuring out some weird shit
vital mulch
Heck give me sub for a month and I'd easily be able to test all dungeons in a day :p
Not that hard to just spam leap abilities in all available spaces
atomic sage
am i trippin or are yall finding it harder to pool rage?
i need to look over these patch notes ig i didnt read shit
livid cloak
Rage generation was reduced
What is the logic behind only executing at 60 rage? Otherwise if op is down do you just wait for the 60 or just send ms?
boreal quartz
i need to look over these patch notes ig i didnt read shit
cs doesnt proc reck
game is over
livid cloak
It seems weird not having a torment talented
boreal quartz
it feels good
daring heron
my reck cs 
thick kelp
my reck cs <a:tierlist:1260831970351517787>
Coming back for tww when we lose all crit from gear
lunar vessel
What is the logic behind only executing at 60 rage? Otherwise if op is down do y...
Execute at 60 means you'll have 32 rage for immediate follow up with ms due to refunds. 60-40ex+4refund+8refund
neat yoke
I've been offline for the last 2 months and barely had enough time to look at the new tree since yesterday. Is arms feeling yay or nay?
raw kayak
Are you proud
proud of you sweetie <3
slender sonnet
proud of you sweetie <3
Thanks!
atomic sage
I've been offline for the last 2 months and barely had enough time to look at th...
pretty baller still. im bursting as much as other people seem to be in fury. on dummies i can almost hit 3 mileven tho it d rops down to 1.5-1.6 after a minute 30. but fury ill burst the same (s3 2p + s4 2p) but then drop down to about 1.1-1.2 mil by a minute 30. tho ive mained arms this whole season so im rusty on fury
feeling something off w/ the rage though in keys, like trying to even stack a couple overpower buffs for my MS is getting tricky. kind of just having to use base spells, even still im doing more dps than everyone except hunters, but go figure -.-
reef warren
In aoe, when cleave is on cooldown and I have no charges of overpower, what should I be pressing. Mortal strike, thunderclap and slam seem to be the options and I'm sure it is target count and sweeping strikes dependent.
stiff pond
Is there a way to check for sure how many hc kills that counts toward bad luck protection for leggo? Got a weakayra that says i’ve gotten 30 lessers used and 17 greater, i should be at 100% and leggo still didnt drop today on heroic. I have total 19 kills on hc fyrakk so 2 is for sure log kills i guess
In any case waiting on response from gm on ticket cause im confused af
livid cloak
In aoe, when cleave is on cooldown and I have no charges of overpower, what shou...
Yeah, according to the new prio it's cleave, then op with sweeping strikes then ms then op without I'm pretty sure
So you still wanna send ms I'm pretty sure
If I was reading it correctly
reef warren
Oh really? MS > OP without SS?
I do feel like I have a bunch of rage and that would help dump it better.
I assume that we only want to use Martial Prowess(30% damage buff OP gives to your next MS or Cleave) on cleaves in aoe. And I don't feel like I have a good system for making sure that MS doesn't use my stacks of Martial prowess.
Also, when you sweeping strikes OP does it send two Dreadnaughts(Overpower causes a seismic wave)?
thick kelp
AOE you go Cleave OP2 OP1 MS with SS at 4+ Targets and always without SS
In 3 target or less you go MS OP2 OP1 Cleave with SS up and Cleave OP2 OP1 MS when SS Down
thick kelp
Also, when you sweeping strikes OP does it send two Dreadnaughts(Overpower cause...
yes
reef warren
AOE you go Cleave OP2 OP1 MS with SS at 4+ Targets and always without SS
In 3 ta...
You let MS consume your martial prowess (MP) at high target count? I do not understand that. Or am I reading what you wrote incorrectly.
thick kelp
its priority
sacred zodiac
AOE you go Cleave OP2 OP1 MS with SS at 4+ Targets and always without SS
In 3 ta...
why do you seperate out both op charges despite them being the same prio am i missing smth
reef warren
I think that's for clarity.
thick kelp
why do you seperate out both op charges despite them being the same prio am i mi...
so ppl dont think i just mean to press op once
sacred zodiac
ic
reef warren
I understood what OP2 and OP1 meant.
thick kelp
so basically you hit Cleave whenever you can. Then if you cant hit cleave you wanna spend both charges of OP, then if you have no cleave or no op to press you only then press MS
Thats what the priortity means
reef warren
E.g. if you had 10 targets, it makes sense to me that you'd want to have your MP be consumed by cleave because cleave does more damage at 10 targets vs MS or MSx2(due to SS).
Or is it just that getting spells on cooldown results in more damage then micro managing MP.
thick kelp
With the priority I linked most of your MP's will be consumed by Cleave regardless, but MP is not a thing you should look out about. Only make sure you dont do 3 OP's between a MS or Cleave press
reef warren
Got ya. Thanks!
What about 2 target? Specifically do we hit cleave over slam in that sitution?
thick kelp
from the top of my head no
wind shadow
without ss or with?
thick kelp
with ss up
reef warren
Both
thick kelp
when ss down then yes
wind shadow
slam
reef warren
I assume slam with SS
thick kelp
Cleave is 100% AP scaling slam is 80% AP scaling
reef warren
Slam has a bunch of mods doesn't it.
wind shadow
I mean easy test
reef warren
Yeah, it's a slow day at work and I'm just pondering.
wind shadow
My only real complain is execute phase right now
reef warren
My only real complain is execute phase right now
Oh? Do tell.
wind shadow
Just feels off to me I miss the days of spamming execute lol
thick kelp
Now its more methodical and you ahve to actually think about it
CUrrently it plays the same as s4 without wft totem
wind shadow
you def get less executes in
reef warren
Cleave is 100% AP scaling slam is 80% AP scaling
Wait a minute would this mean we cleave over slam in single target? 100%AP vs 80%AP for 20 rage. We'd have to be careful to not consume MP in this case I'm sure.
thick kelp
Well yes but there is still alot of moments where you have the chance to ms exe exe exe ms
thick kelp
Wait a minute would this mean we cleave over slam in single target? 100%AP vs 80...
Yeah but minor irrelevant gain so dont bother
easier to just go MS op op slam prio for pure ST
reef warren
Just feels off to me I miss the days of spamming execute lol
Execute is just fun to press. Even if it's roll your face over your keyboard I'd still enjoy it.
thick kelp
Execute would be funner to press if you didnt have to wait 15stacks of Juggernaut before it started dealing damage
reef warren
It feels like in on m+ spec and our boss damage is better than it was.
It's not as punishing to have aoe talents to our st damage.
thick kelp
Yes because we are playing more ST talents
There is space to go for more aoe but its not worth it
Big help for our boss damage is going Blunt instruments over warbreaker
wind shadow
I love having access to ravager on arms
I havent played beta so no idea which hero talent I will like better feel wise
nimble yoke
gotta love that only one mage spec being the best spec in the game wasn't enough so they had to give the poor guys some buffs
cold vigil
so whats the aoe rotation with colalteral damage? press SS and keep spamming cleave + op?
also is bonegrinder good now?
cold vigil
so whats the aoe rotation with colalteral damage? press SS and keep spamming cle...
like does cleave count for the "damages 2 targets" thing?
rare kite
like does cleave count for the "damages 2 targets" thing?
it does if you have fervor talented
cold vigil
oh rightt
coral crescent
Is it worth it to have a ravager WA which displays ticks for unhinged? 🤔 thinking for EP
cold vigil
it does if you have fervor talented
what about the ms from unhinged?
cold vigil
Is it worth it to have a ravager WA which displays ticks for unhinged? 🤔 thinki...
how does one make such wa btw?
rare kite
what about the ms from unhinged?
it does get swept, not sure if it counts towards collat tho
coral crescent
how does one make such wa btw?
I had one for tornado when I played sub rogue back in the day. Was thinking about trying to reconfigure it for unhinged ravager
But unsure if it'd really be worth the hassle
cold vigil
I had one for tornado when I played sub rogue back in the day. Was thinking abou...
i havent played around with WAs at all so im wondering how to start
coral crescent
Quazii has a pretty useful beginner guide to creating them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpkePkNlHeI
empty gull
ran a few keys yesterday and noticed I'm starving in execute phase, did other noticed this as well? I'm unsure what changed that much
inland quest
i have 528 grieftorch and 513 buzzle box and the buzzle box sim higher in mm+ is normal ?
inland quest
and the augury too
thick kelp
mhm
rare kite
yes, coz grieftorch was never good for warrior
empty gull
Doube OCE big brain
empty gull
I like PBox and any other passive one for M+ (without Ilvl on your picture it's hard to give a good recommendation)
cold vigil
Quazii has a pretty useful beginner guide to creating them <https://www.youtube....
thanks
elfin kindle
sorry wasnt much active the past few days, how did our rotation change? Ravanger is go to now? and Slam repalces WW in ST?
empty gull
sorry wasnt much active the past few days, how did our rotation change? Ravanger...
Cleave replaces WW naturally if talented, Slam is a real button again. The overall rotation didn't change that much but in aoe you can now have some good prio damage. Cleave is good in 2+ targets (at least from my limited testing)
For raid SkS is back and you can have some good damage during the TR window (30% more damage from bleeds at 100% speed)
Some are discussing about the micromanagement of OP stacks. I don't think it's as relevant as having everything on CD (Prio damage with MS vs Cleave aoe essentially)
boreal quartz
correct
autumn mortar
Archimitros describes the rework as "streamlined" but there's 11+ buttons for MT/AoE :/ Is a more simplified prio list possible? For dummies like me
dire hinge
Archimitros describes the rework as "streamlined" but there's 11+ buttons for MT...
is it better or worse if i mention that you need to click the checkboxes above to add the missing spells
autumn mortar
Worse 🙂
autumn mortar
Yes, to keep it simple for myself, selected TR, Cleave, Warbreaker and Brostorm
dire hinge
you can macro some of them together, and the 2nd half of the list is the same abilities, just with different priorities (as phil mentioned)
autumn mortar
Yea clearly i need to look into macros
cinder dove
Yes, to keep it simple for myself, selected TR, Cleave, Warbreaker and Brostorm
main build for m+ doesn't have warbreaker afaik, we keep plain colossus
unless you go full aoe banana
autumn mortar
I don't need to do M+9000 keys or parse top in the world :/ I just wanna be decent
nimble yoke
damn not having warbreaker feels really shit doesn't it?
dire hinge
totally, the list looks overwhelming, but just focus on it in chunks. I have to step in to a meeting soon, but i can try and whip up something adlib quick
smoky kayak
tbf some of that rotation can be cleaned up now after recent changes
its on my to-do list
autumn mortar
awesome look forward to seeing it
severe dawn
yo are arms war broken? they do stupid dmg right now
cinder dove
we zug zug more
empty gull
yo are arms war broken? they do stupid dmg right now
I finished a few keys around the 700/800k dps overall yesterday
dire hinge
less broken than survival 
cinder dove
expansion is The Zug Within
smoky kayak
but yeah, it's not as complicated as a step-by-step list makes it seem; realistically the MT rotation is as easy as
- Apply Rend with TC
- press SS, Ava, TR, CS/WB, and Ravager/BS more or less on cooldown (or whenever you're got a fresh pack)
- press Cleave on cooldown
- press MS on cooldown
- press Overpower in between other GCDs
- press Execute when you can
- press TC/Slam as a filler if nothing else is available
more or less in that order
empty gull
did a 15 AA and arms war did 1m dps overall
seems close to what I've seen too
severe dawn
with the rise of Rsham i can see the melee meta on the horizon for M+
nimble yoke
does he know
smoky kayak
and Cleave and MS are both used every 3-4 GCDs, so it's like
Charge -> TC -> TR -> SS -> Rav -> CS -> Cleave -> MS -> OP -> Cleave -> OP -> MS -> Cleave...
nimble yoke
what does the opener look like in aoe?
smoky kayak
So after your CDs, you're basically just playing whackamole with Cleave, MS, and OP
wind shadow
Idk we dont seem to rely on hero talent as much as like WW monk
my firend on ww lost like a TON of dmge
for aoe
autumn mortar
I desperately need marcos to queue up 5 different buttons before I even start the rotation :/
nimble yoke
do you rava > charge > roar > TC > ss > avatar/CS or some shit like that
cinder dove
but yeah, it's not as complicated as a step-by-step list makes it seem; realisti...
would it be possible to pin this to help out players seeking info on new rotation/talents?
smoky kayak
my firend on ww lost like a TON of dmge
WW didn't get its most recent tuning pass included in the pre-patch
nimble yoke
it feels like every time i write down something new in the opener i think of something else that might have to come before it lol
feels kinda messy, in aoe at least
empty gull
and Cleave and MS are both used every 3-4 GCDs, so it's like
``Charge -> TC -> T...
TR before WB?? Don't you want to incrase the initial damage of TR too?
smoky kayak
would it be possible to pin this to help out players seeking info on new rotatio...
I mean it's all in the guide, though I can probably write out a more "keep it stupid simple" version somewhere
wind shadow
Just press buttons
nimble yoke
and Cleave and MS are both used every 3-4 GCDs, so it's like
``Charge -> TC -> T...
oh this is just the opener lol, didn't even realise the question got answered as i asked it
wind shadow
lol
autumn mortar
I mean it's all in the guide, though I can probably write out a more "keep it st...
Would be greatly appreciated by the trylesshards like me
empty gull
feels kinda messy, in aoe at least
Tbh as long as your are putting stuff on CD and somewhat aiming your cleaves you are fine
wind shadow
I find tryingto min max my preformance I preformed less then stellar and just vibing I did better
smoky kayak
TR before WB?? Don't you want to incrase the initial damage of TR too?
it's kinda w/e really; TR doesn't benefit from SS or hit that hard to boot
Also if you're playing the priority damage build, which is a better mix of ST and AoE, you're not playing Warbreaker anyway
dire hinge
been precasting Roar all expansion, it's nice
wind shadow
so bonkers to not use Warbreaker in m+ now
smoky kayak
if you do wanna maximize damage on a pack of mobs though, yes, you can put Roar inside Warbreaker
rare kite
TR before WB?? Don't you want to incrase the initial damage of TR too?
it's buffing 1 tick extra of dot vs initial hit. initial hit is reduced by armor so it doesn't really matter that much
smoky kayak
that kind of decision making is always going to be circumstantial, how big your pulls are, how well CDs are lining up in that moment, etc
empty gull
In our +15 yesterday bosses were being obliterated in about 90sec so it didn't make a big difference, I think I'll keep the more prio damage build for Tyranical, or if I play with a giga aoe spec
smoky kayak
it's the kind of decision you learn to make on the fly once you get comfortable with the content and playstyle, but using the currently recommended "priority damage" build, you can just throw TR out early
wind shadow
I guess Cleave does stupid dmge
but I feel like thats change you take in higher keys were prio actually matters
olive nest
I mean it's all in the guide, though I can probably write out a more "keep it st...
A “stupid simple” version of the basic prio for st and aoe with there respective openers would probably go a long way for the average person who pops in here seaking advice
empty gull
but I feel like thats change you take in higher keys were prio actually matters
comp dependant most likely
rare kite
if you do wanna maximize damage on a pack of mobs though, yes, you can put Roar ...
i remember mathing this out in s1 sometime. don't remember the exact conclusion but it was dependant on target count for what was optimal, and even then the difference was pretty small
wind shadow
Cause even in a baby 11 we were chewing through fortified like butter
empty gull
with the "full aoe build" I still had more prio damage than UDK and the SP somehow. I was trying to send my 2xOP in MS prio target rather than just cleave pad like crazy tho
smoky kayak
i remember mathing this out in s1 sometime. don't remember the exact conclusion ...
yeah, the initial damage of TR isn't that high since its affected by armor and the DoT isn't
That said, TR is also softcapped now (or supposed to be, I haven't actually confirmed it yet if anyone wants to go do some testing), so it's not nearly as good in giga pulls anymore either
autumn mortar
So might a stupid simple MT be: charge, TC (rend), Brostorm, SS/Cleave spam? Leaving out CS/Warbreaker and TR?
wind shadow
I would gladly sacrifice some aoe dmge for more ST
olive nest
Roar before bladestorm at least
wind shadow
at least no toxic hurrican to work around
mellow seal
im guessing its worth it to re apply rend before skullsplitting?
boreal quartz
it doesnt make it expire just tick faster
mellow seal
wouldent it lose value if its about to expire
modern fern
boreal quartz
check your macros
mellow seal
are you sure its snot just your haste
dire hinge
recasting it should hit you with a "you cannot do that right now" message
waxen elbow
opaque citrus
Delete your account
frigid lava
Maybe that
dire hinge
i just tried casting every warrior ability during bladestorm and i couldn't get it to cancel, unless i pressed a macro that contained /cancelaura, but im interested in following along if you learn more
tulip cypress
how's arms looking right now?
sharp flame
how's arms looking right now?
peak unga bunga/zug zug
ruby plover
are sims (raidbots) working properly for arms now?
dire hinge
extremely strong on prepatch
yeah sims should be good to my knowledge
i think there was some small optimizations that need to be worked on still(?), but they're up about 150k from last week
hexed parrot
1 point in deft experience + 1 point in sharpened blades is better then two point in DE?
frigid lava
is it just arms or other classes too
dire hinge
hunter is pretty busted too
sour nest
beleive it got hotfixed last night
humble basin
hunter was nerfed ya
dire hinge
1 point in deft experience + 1 point in sharpened blades is better then two poin...
it does seem to sim slightly better 👀
midnight mural
it does seem to sim slightly better 👀
Link sim, please sir
dreamy egret
Did we get the nerfbat yet ?
fossil thistle
Did we get the nerfbat yet ?
No you have to hit 80 to get nerfed
outer holly
ret pal was keeping up with me in aoe last night, we were both peaking ~1.5mil but also that info should be tempered with the fact that I haven't played in over a month and was imbibing Canadian Tobacco
dire hinge
hold the second one for roar
woeful quartz
roger
dire hinge
Roar now amps ALL of your bleed damage while roar is ticking
woeful quartz
yer
dire hinge
more BSL uptime will do that yeah
boreal quartz
dreamy egret
No you have to hit 80 to get nerfed
Say that to mages
hexed parrot
it does seem to sim slightly better 👀
I did it, too. Btw^^
fossil thistle
Say that to mages
He’s asking about arms war, not mages
Hunters are also doing 700-800k and fall off by 80 too
mild hound
Yea, I was wrecking last night. Cleave eats. 25sec stuns are nice
Guessing the fun ends at max level?
fringe moon
Woot...my 1st 100...was on Terros
fringe moon
yeah, just surprised it's still there after this morning
boreal quartz
yeah, just surprised it's still there after this morning
I was also mad suprised my r3 overall r1 no external on sark held
But it's now eternally in
10k above next no pi log
boreal quartz
Decently ye
slow saddle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/29n2HtbTFa3nnLPoMDmNzP mogged
Sharpened blades over tactitian ?
boreal quartz
Ye sb better
slow saddle
makes sense seeing we dont even play battlelord anymore
kindda funky spec but hey i take it 😄
sturdy plank
when i use raidbots it say (Pre-patch sims are extremely unstable/unreliable. Several class/specs are not functional. SimC devs are focused on expansion launch, not pre-patch.) and dont load my talents. what is wrong?
dire hinge
doesn't load your talents?
sturdy plank
yeah in the overview its not loaded
dire hinge
are you talking about these ones on the "Quick Sim" page?
Or are you seeing the issue on Top Gear
sturdy plank
yes sir
dire hinge
so the QuickSim is based on the last time you logged out (WoW's Armory)
try installing the SimulationCraft addon and manually getting your info from in-game with /simc
dire hinge
i gocha, so the SimC output is based on the talents stored in the bottom-left of your Talent screen (doesn't pick up on addon-based talent loadouts). I'd double check talents are loaded there (and valid) and try again, but if that doesn't work im not super sure what next steps would be (we do not maintain SimC here, just offering some advice to try and help)
slow saddle
ive got no issue though
dire hinge
you can DM me your SimC output and I can try and cross-check, but that's about all I can offer
dusty summit
is the bot working again?
slow saddle
ok so about 581 with blue silk 60% isnt horrible
dire hinge
nah that's normal
smoky kayak
when i use raidbots it say (Pre-patch sims are extremely unstable/unreliable. Se...
did you update your simc addon?
the one you use to pull your character information from in-game
dire hinge
i did some light debugging with them in a DM and looks like their talent strings are getting clipped short by a handful of characters for some reason, so the stored talent strings aren't aligning to the talent tree
dusty summit
hmm any1 got a sim above 70
Highest I got so far is 583k 65% BSL uptime
slow saddle
Highest I got so far is 583k 65% BSL uptime
guess i could go to a 6min fight? but thats just cheating 😄
humble basin
mine is giving me like 511k
dusty summit
guess i could go to a 6min fight? but thats just cheating 😄
584.7k now if I recraft my neck 😂
humble basin
oh well
dire hinge
if you're not maxed out in gear that sounds about right, but if you're maxed out and simming low I can always take a gander if you want (just link the sim)
slow saddle
584.7k now if I recraft my neck 😂
crit haste ?
humble basin
uhh sec
dusty summit
Nah, from Crit haste to Haste Vers
humble basin
😔
humble basin
good question
i just assumed it was something dumb i did and not actually me missing 60k dps or anything
but still interesting
i did weekly lets try nightly
dire hinge
yeah, this test is using the weekly SimC.
Swapping it to latest gives you 571k
humble basin
yeah it was probably just that
dusty summit
i know anvil is less good without ms resets but it shouldnt be 60k less
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ssydJpkWawTSc5x77adLmx latest with OCE and neck recraft
vital mulch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iH1oMiW6ZDZj6ePdPK17Ue Mine. But i also haven't bothered to change into crit at all. + Eh trinket
humble basin
my nightly is better without recrafting neck