arms

[latent moss]

so

[calm hollow]

@edgy atlas did you guys have any issue yesterday clearing Amir? hows the patch? heard from someone that it wasnt easy, is that a bait?

[astral yarrow]

ayo what am i supposed to sim in prepatch

[calm hollow]

sims broken

[weak wave]

Why does Rend during Skull Spl. only refreshes to a 10s duration?

[astral yarrow]

it compresses the duration, not refresh

[latent moss]

cause thats what sks does

ye

[astral yarrow]

didnt Archi talk about wanting prepatch sims to work

[edgy atlas]

Haven't raided this week yet, we don't until Sun

[astral yarrow]

can i just yoink the APL off sheet @latent moss

[latent moss]

ye

why not

[astral yarrow]

angery

[thick kelp]

Just send crit mast

get 20% haste

no simming

only feeling

[latent moss]

^

[astral yarrow]

hate feeling

[thick kelp]

I felt for you

dont worry

[weak wave]

I mean if sks is about to run out and I press Rend I only get a 10 sec Rend. Tha looks weired

[astral yarrow]

but looking forward to actually doing APL stuff on a working client and spec

[latent moss]

[astral yarrow]

and if SKS debuff runs out during it, rend will go "back up" to a higher duration

idk

[latent moss]

had 96.6% crit chance

on ms

out of 30 casts

on st

[astral yarrow]

its a debuff compressing another debuff

[weak wave]

Ahh right!

[latent moss]

amal chamber wipe

on heroic

grouped them

xdd

in a pug

[calm hollow]

cool, then we just got jebaited hard, thanks

[calm hollow]

well he wants it to work, just it doesnt work yet

[astral yarrow]

oh, i mean APL part is pretty far along and Arma is a fucking machine

[thick kelp]

yeah but the probelm was that the prepatch apl was being pushed to beta branch instead

so they gotta figure some back end stuff so it gets pusehd to live branch

[astral yarrow]

hahahahaha

[thick kelp]

so ig u cna go yoink some beta apl and just delete hero talent lines and mess

wtih custom

[astral yarrow]

runs regardless of the hero talent lines

[thick kelp]

ic

[lusty epoch]

so for raid

do i use augury or puzzle now

[latent moss]

MORE

[thick kelp]

[astral yarrow]

yo where tf are the storms

[dusty summit]

the event thing for pre patch is next week

[astral yarrow]

is there an event

i just want to do the storm chaser achievement

[olive nest]

[charred flicker]

is the only penalty to using D stance now just 3% crit?

[dusty summit]

oh, nvm then

[oak quartz]

Exetute phase is so 💩

[still crest]

X2

[minor gust]

There is no rage in execute only calm

[eternal vortex]

^

[slow saddle]

this is 100% the arms issue that could be fixxed as proposed earlier just add bigger refund

[latent moss]

with charge weaving and skyfury

its not bad at all

[oak quartz]

Put again rage generation on OP (under 35%)

[latent moss]

stack crit

[oak quartz]

irrilevant

[thick kelp]

how?

crit = more rage

[oak quartz]

Very littel

[thick kelp]

also rage gen is still there for OP if u pick the talent

but Im telling u that we dont need

[still crest]

Yea pls

[latent moss]

xd

wdym

crit very little more rage

[still crest]

The truth is that regeneration affects more than just the damage in the execution phase, it also helps you survive and now that is difficult.

[latent moss]

need to check op2>exe now that exe does damage

i think op>exe if 2 ep

but idk exe just does 3x op dmg

[thick kelp]

ye but

prepatch apl

cba

if/when the tuning gets pushed to beta

will recheck all ofc

[latent moss]

ye

[calm hollow]

both

[thick kelp]

since the exe tuning only on live rn

[spark prism]

Are people having fun with the new arms? What hero talent to pick?

[calm hollow]

none

since they are at 71+

[spark prism]

ah!

[devout pewter]

I heard we're back boys?

[spark prism]

But its fun?

[calm hollow]

it kinda is

[olive nest]

Letting us feel powerful in pre patch to help cope with the dogshit we get in TWW

[cyan musk]

one thing i dont like is execute rage cost being range in 20-40. I often found myself with over 60 rage with ms on cd around 1s and then im pressing this execute and no ms on cd

need to work on ma gameplay 😉

[cloud dawn]

The BS build rotation just feels gross atm, especially in ST situations, hope it improves with hero talents

[latent moss]

start walking out press exe at the edge of melee range and charge

the charge weaving mentality

[vital mulch]

Dunno if i can be bothered to fix all things just for pre-patch. Seeing i don't even know how many more raids guild will run xD

Need new wrist and neck. Preferably another pair of pants. Then re-craft, re-enchant/gem all the things to be optimal as arms.

[cyan musk]

is it worth the hassle though

for around a month

[vital mulch]

For me personally. Probably not

[lusty epoch]

We stacking crit now/

?

[ruby plover]

is raidbots updated for arms? it sims so much lower than my fury, even though dps wise they are pretty even (maybe i just suck at fury)

dungeon slice sims for that matter

[lethal stream]

arms st good or no?

[sharp ridge]

Yes!

[vital mulch]

raidbots not up to date

[latent moss]

idk

maybe

xdd

[lusty epoch]

@calm hollow no OCE no more?

[calm hollow]

we will see when sims are live, augury might be better now

[clever path]

Hey guys

[slow saddle]

Wow its weird playing warrior now

in keys

if u execute once rage is gone

[shadow ibex]

Cleave man

Just cleave and op

[slow saddle]

in st?

in aoe its simple ye4

[shadow ibex]

Charge weave

[slow saddle]

well still weird 😄 but ye

ofc doesnt help we dont have critical thinking either 😄

[thick kelp]

press the sks

and the ops

[slow saddle]

thats in raid build 😄

[thick kelp]

nothing is stopping you from taking sks in m+

its very viable

[slow saddle]

hmm what do u drop though ?

bonegrinda ?

[thick kelp]

massacre

[slow saddle]

hmm

kek ofc

[muted sigil]

So is warbreaker not used in the hybrid M+ build?

[thick kelp]

Correct

[slow saddle]

what ?

blunt intruments ?

[thick kelp]

ye

Minor AOE loss for big ST gain for boss damage

[muted sigil]

why is that? is it due to all out AoE is with cleave?

[thick kelp]

And we play cleave to apply DW to all in aoe

[muted sigil]

oh i see ok

[slow saddle]

how can 30% dmg increase in all aoe for 10 seconds be little 😄

[thick kelp]

idk

thats what robot told me

[devout pewter]

Robot might be inaccurate for now tho

[thick kelp]

its like 5% difference in 5T

and 12% gain in ST

[rare kite]

i suppose you don't wb as much as we used to, might by why

[thick kelp]

Beta robot is correct

only live robot is bad

[slow saddle]

true am less good

its still fucking weird not talenting into anything execute related

exept EP ( for MS )

[ocean river]

is the wowhead talent build updated for arms?

[thick kelp]

y

[empty gull]

If our AOE spells are shit increasing their damage might not be as strong as increasing the single target dmg ones. I don’t see any other logical explanation if the robot is right

Does this change our profile to be more prio dmg?

[olive nest]

Arms usually does prio well

[compact geyser]

what trinket setup are u running ? i have aug oce icon pb anvil brand and dragonscale

[olive nest]

I run pips an Pbox in keys

Raid usually pbox and oce

[latent moss]

idk

no crit flask

[compact geyser]

is that pb + aug ?

[latent moss]

xdd ms

[latent moss]

crit oce + aug

63% without flask / weapon enchant

[olive nest]

Bro that’s awesome

Lmao

Yuge Crit

[proper estuary]

so we go for more crit then haste now ?

[latent moss]

with crit flask

i love augury

so much

i love mortal strike

[echo haven]

why dont we play warlord's torment anymore?

[devout pewter]

That's a lot of Sweeping we don't need(iirc)

[shadow ibex]

they took cs reck off warlords

[latent moss]

45s roar

with sks

too strong

[carmine osprey]

nokhud 10 damage breakdown

cleave is too strong

I fear for nerfs

[rare kite]

coz it no longer applies on cs, talent is trash now

[shadow ibex]

tbf also have a lock pulling s2 numbers

10.1 numbers

its 11.0

[carmine osprey]

true he was very low gear

[compact geyser]

how come no SR damage showing ?

[olive nest]

[gilded stump]

I wonder how long the Warband Bank is gonna be down

[pallid gorge]

arms actually doesnt feel bad to play

[devout pewter]

Couple weeks after tww

[cloud crag]

Skull splitter only applies to rend and dw now right? At least according to tooltip?

[carmine osprey]

I am a bad warrior :/

[compact geyser]

i wasnt trolling. serious asking. if u just werent doing em or others were sniping interupts and shit so u couldnt

[carmine osprey]

it was around 2mil, dont have the say announce when I press it so with pugs they snipe interrupts. Also didnt use on 2nd boss

[boreal quartz]

Tbf in a pug nokhud boss reflects are not it

[devout pewter]

I think only one boss has a predictable one, the second last. While the last you just need a bit of luck iirc

[boreal quartz]

No luck

Just track the tank spell

[eager vigil]

Anyone got a updated talent tree for the patch?

[thorny sierra]

Yeah youve been having a bit too much fun there buddy. Priests, aug and mage were good for 3 seasons, but warriors? That’s a paddling

[hexed parrot]

sims are updated? did we went so much crit as we can?

[thick kelp]

sims not working atm

[hexed parrot]

yeah i think so, too.

[fossil thistle]

my ret paladin last season was doing ~200k at 428 ilvl

[oblique snow]

Wasn't TC made baseline?

[sturdy matrix]

no, blood and thunder was

[oblique snow]

ah

is there any builds out yet?

[sturdy matrix]

wowhead has them

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/the-war-within-pre-patch

[oblique snow]

ty

[quaint summit]

can you post sim results with these stats?

[oak forge]

i feel soo op

but cant enable details

bcoz of lua erros

tons of them

[quaint summit]

details had update like hour ago, try

[pale jungle]

details JUST released an update

[oak forge]

installed but still giving me luas

[latent moss]

bugged atm

[ionic tapir]

guys i havent looked at anything wow for a while but did we seriously lose whirlwind?

[soft hedge]

cleave replaces whirlwind

[ionic tapir]

[honest girder]

It’s a good change

[robust raven]

guys what the heck happened to whirlwind

i just ran an lfr and my index finger developed phantom pain

[thick kelp]

Cleave replaces whirlwind

You no longer press ww in ST anyway

[robust raven]

bruuh

[dawn notch]

so what is your opinion on sharpened blades atm?

[fickle lotus]

Tuning on Point confirmed.

Cleave is a fucking TRUCK

[inland quest]

what is the st talents guys ?

[dawn notch]

check the wowhead link

[lusty epoch]

How the fuck are yous getting 70% crit

i got 50 with aug+crit oce on lol

[latent moss]

very ez

echo ring is giga

2k crit 700 haste at 522

[lusty epoch]

echo?

you dropping the diurna ring now i assume?

or errano

erranog

[austere willow]

Why do I feel this is too good to be true?

Just a regular pull in uld.

[calm hollow]

what is this cursed damage meter?

[austere willow]

Stylised for my UI ig

[calm hollow]

but its even reversed

[austere willow]

It is indeed. Because I want the information to come up from the bottom of the screen.

[oblique snow]

We not using Battlelord anymore?

[thick kelp]

nop

[oak forge]

how to solve this shitt ?!?!? cant track my dpsss

[proper estuary]

have the same

[boreal quartz]

update addon

[proper estuary]

still there

[oak forge]

ye

still there

[boreal quartz]

like if u read the error

cd info

check plugins in

ig**

[dusty summit]

this command /run C_CVar.SetCVar('loadDeprecationFallbacks', 0) ReloadUI() fixed details and plater for me

[oak forge]

dang lets try it

[oblique snow]

do I have to us Slam now?

[cinder dove]

as filler, yes

it hits harder

[oblique snow]

gross

[rocky dune]

Can confrm Cleave...is a monster

[oblique snow]

the M+ build on Wowhead doesn't use sudden death, that the way to go now?

[olive nest]

What does it take in place if SD?

[oblique snow]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/the-war-within-pre-patch#arms-warrior-cheat-sheet

[tender pecan]

bruh everytime i tab target i get this in chat

[west tusk]

with updates is 54 crit percent too much at 528ilvl or is it best to sim currently?

[proper estuary]

no

[boreal quartz]

sim

[proper estuary]

ehm

[lunar vessel]

me and the boys

[sharp wyvern]

pls tell me fatality is dead forever

[weary tangle]

Hello everyone. I'm pretty new to a melee spec and been having fun playing arms this pre-patch. I just noticed that with the updated tree, thunderclap now has the same rage cost as rend. Do I just completely remove rend now?

[sharp wyvern]

for aoe yes for ST we dont use TC

[boreal quartz]

rend is better to press on st

[weary tangle]

Its mainly for the rend "hit" damage vs TC's lower one isnt it?

[sharp wyvern]

better question is do we remove WW from out bars on ST

[fluid matrix]

Any recs for streamers who main warrior?

[deep sentinel]

Critcake

[halcyon breach]

Yes. Slam is over 3x the damage on ST, while spending the same Rage

[slow saddle]

Lel every Enhancement shaman sweating knowthing they now have to perform

[deep sentinel]

bizentien

[deep sentinel]

danwar

[boreal quartz]

tmyws (on twitch)

[deep sentinel]

noxivv

[boreal quartz]

nomeratur

[slow saddle]

ye so in M+ just clap

its just rend coz we aint got tc talented

[fluid matrix]

@deep sentinel Thank you!

[weary tangle]

Got it. Thanks a lot.

[deep sentinel]

💖

[thick kelp]

One aura buff away from being viable

[dusty summit]

did it work for you?

[sage badge]

Human racial doesn't work. My hearthstone is on cooldown.

[zenith warren]

so with new talents if we take both roar capstones we cant have armor to the teeth 2/2?

[buoyant cargo]

I read here throughout the day that we stack crit now. Can someone explain why exactly this is? What changed?

[thick kelp]

drop warlord for armored

[boreal quartz]

sims well

[hybrid sinew]

ahhhh are sims borked atm

BS is simming higher in ST then ravagar for me atm

[dusty summit]

bot is broke from what I heard

[hybrid sinew]

at least for an AoE build, for a ST build, they are essentially even

kk

[fresh tide]

Armored to the teeth is required, yeah

[hybrid sinew]

i've been doing some simming all morning, diff fury variations and diff arms variations, my sims for fury showed some weird results but nothing that looked obvoiusly wrong (UF overperforming compared to other nodes) but that could have been a consequence of my particular gear or whatnot, but I dont think theres any world in which BS could beat out Rav in ST i woudln't think

[boreal quartz]

UF is trash

[hybrid sinew]

sure, but the sims say otherwise

[boreal quartz]

6% is really shite

[hybrid sinew]

i mean, if its the bot then it can't just be me, sim it against a point in VC

and it comes out 5K ahead

while that particular value obv dosnt' mean anything to anyone w/o my specific gear, thats a high enough value that i imagine its going to be ahead for most peeps

[fresh tide]

UF is still good, it is my strongly held religious belief that warlords torment sucks ass though

[hybrid sinew]

this is UF

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/itbKLSW4VpyG5TS81vq4Ui

this is VC

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kvLHntQP7pUNw17PgbogwN

[modest bone]

whats the ideal rotation for mm+ with cleave ?

[west tusk]

is skullsplitter suppose to be making Roar tick faster as well?

[slow saddle]

no

[hybrid sinew]

also, i can link the sims, but thats w/ tr, TR is simming better in ST then Spear

[west tusk]

is this because avatar is up when you are hitting skullsplitter?

[boreal quartz]

you wanna sks in tr since tr buffs ur bleeds

and ticking em faster while buffed is good

[west tusk]

oh i seee

ty

[thorn tulip]

do we still ms with ss in aoe?

[inland quest]

guys

why arent we playing with test of might in st ?

there is no change on it

[lunar vessel]

smaller rage cost of abilities means smaller buff

[boreal quartz]

iftk got changed

[boreal quartz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a124tMQdeuKE6g46APznM2

id default VC and then u just UF or TD

doesnt rlly change much tbh

i just simmed spear by default cba making another option for roar

[edgy solstice]

[hybrid sinew]

so why is that sim 50ish K higher

[sage badge]

Cleave owns

[hybrid sinew]

when i click on it i dont see anythign diff, but maybe i'm being a dum dum

[boreal quartz]

sim settings id guess

[slow saddle]

Its weird playing without battle lord NGL

[boreal quartz]

i sim 85% crit phial 65% BSL or some shit

[slow saddle]

but spec pumps

[boreal quartz]

nvm wrong pc

idk

[sage badge]

I sim 100% phial and BSL because I only hit dummies

[sage badge]

[inland quest]

i sim like this

[hybrid sinew]

oh wait

[boreal quartz]

sims on latest

[hybrid sinew]

you simmed for 3 min randomlly

[inland quest]

and look its higher than the talent of wowhead

[boreal quartz]

its on 5 mins for me idk

[hybrid sinew]

thats why its that sim is whacked

[boreal quartz]

sims have duration variance thats normal

but its set to 5 on my end

do you have this

[hybrid sinew]

ah, no i had it set to nightly

and nah the 3min thing i was looking at it wrong

but from what i see above, your sim still seems to hold what i was seeing as well

i'll resim everything w/ latest

[boreal quartz]

also resim my thing but with roar

i can see non spear sims go up a bit 🤷‍♂️

but ill figure that out when im actually home and can play

[hollow axle]

Anyone getting that 560k Arch was talking about?

[hybrid sinew]

ah, i'll just resim every resonable variation from scratch

[hollow axle]

My fury still ahead on sims...

[hybrid sinew]

i did about 15ish earlier

[boreal quartz]

and remember you need 2 per for frenzied and powerful enrage

[orchid panther]

Any chance arms is the prefered spec for tww now with latest changes? 🙏🏻

[hybrid sinew]

yeah, frenzied was higher in every sim i saw

[fresh tide]

560k is easy, just enable all the hero talents

[hybrid sinew]

i simmed frenzied versus powerful on everything

at no point did powerful ever come out ahead, but i was using nightly not latest, so, that prob didn't mean anything

[ebon garden]

hey guys, with ravager running, you still cast MS, or prio OP and exec tu buff the auto MS ?

[boreal quartz]

if your ms doesnt have 2 ep in exe you dont cast it

so youll exe which buffs ur rava ms

[ebon garden]

out of ravager windows, still the same as before i suppose ? like exec to 2 stack, 3 exec if i have much rage before each MS, then play with a mix of OP + Exec between each MS

[boreal quartz]

i think u look at ur rage at 60 now

[dire hinge]

60 yeah

Our rage gen got nerfed so you need more stored so you don’t rage-starve yourself

[thick hamlet]

hey fellas how are we feeling about arms today? FeelsGoodMan

[ebon garden]

you mean no exec if no 60 rage ? then you can freely exec + ms if you need .?

[hybrid sinew]

oof

in simc latesat powerful enrage going even further behind

UF still seems ahead, but only like 300 now instead of 5K lol

[boreal quartz]

thats progress

[hybrid sinew]

yeah

[boreal quartz]

did you try defaulting to vc no bb/mass

[hybrid sinew]

at 300 you just take the execute

no bb/mass? you mean taking AM?

[dire hinge]

Overpower if you are below 60
Execute if you are above 60

[boreal quartz]

just shuffling around the middle a bit

especially with spear options i can see BB being meh

[dire hinge]

That’s a messed up looking Arms tree

[boreal quartz]

truly is

[hybrid sinew]

oh, i havn't tested Onslought variations yet

[idle prairie]

Yep

[hybrid sinew]

all of my spear testing is still behind TR

[boreal quartz]

HnS prolly overkill

[hybrid sinew]

but i need to test spear w/ Ons and not OF, thats next

[boreal quartz]

esp with unhinged and db and lego opener gets funky

[hybrid sinew]

also somewhat interesting, i cant' get uproar to work anywhere, armed to the teeth just too good i guess

[olive nest]

I haven’t played with the pre patch talents yet so I’m curious have you found that were going to be frequently casting op back to back if we’re below 60

[fringe moon]

have sims been updated yet for arms? Last night I believe ravager wasn't simming correctly or something

[dire hinge]

I haven’t done a lot of play, but when I did, it seemed like we were doing a lot of filler.

The nerf to Warlords Torment and our general rage generation is definitely felt

[thorn tulip]

is aoe just cleave and op outside of cooldowns now

[dreamy egret]

is it just me or does execute not sound the same?

[olive nest]

So we’re sitting waiting for an auto if op isn’t castable and we’re below 60

[dire hinge]

Execute sound and animation are different yeah

[olive nest]

I assume that only applies to execute prio

[dire hinge]

Or the forbidden charge weave

[boreal quartz]

fuckin LOVE charge weave

[olive nest]

Above execute you still keep MS on cd

[dire hinge]

Yeah

[olive nest]

But what about during execute

Because it seems like we’ll be below 60 a lot

[latent moss]

based take

[fringe moon]

ahh...looks like the sims have been updated for ravager!!!

[olive nest]

Sure hope it isn’t correct to pool rage when MS is castable

[latent moss]

philliams

[fringe moon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2oFLaUPqat2B12bjtfJTAA

[ebon garden]

i ahve to admit that i pretty much like the Aoe Hybrid game play, but the monotarget execute phase feels lacking of something

[boreal quartz]

PHILLIARMS

AYO

[ebon garden]

dead time when i wait under 60 rage to cast OP, which i dont have stacks

[olive nest]

Fucking hell

Phil’s new name

[latent moss]

GOES HARD

[olive nest]

[latent moss]

NGL

[boreal quartz]

making that my next warr

absolutely

[olive nest]

100% you should

[latent moss]

remix it and use it as main

[boreal quartz]

goes on the warband screen

[boreal quartz]

remix char is named phil glock

🔫

think i make arm man a troll

[latent moss]

remix char is kidpuncherx

[boreal quartz]

🙏

[olive nest]

LOL

[latent moss]

theres a worse one but it has to be kept private

[boreal quartz]

🪤

[olive nest]

🤫

[latent moss]

🧎‍♂️

[hybrid sinew]

@boreal quartz https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gxUKsRM7iEjYGopm275QBU

cursed build, but, its higher

[boreal quartz]

not cursed if it works

try with bs

[hybrid sinew]

oh actually

so this is neato

that + spear works now

[languid wyvern]

Why do I sim like 430k still while in reality it's more like 550-600k at least

What am I missing

[fringe moon]

why's there so much fury posting in this channel/

[hybrid sinew]

yeah, ill ping you at fury delete

[dreamy egret]

ww not being on a cool down is messing with me

[dire hinge]

You can link the sim and we can take a gander, but if I had to guess the sim you’re using isn’t set to “latest”

[languid wyvern]

Yeah I'll check

yeah it made a difference but still simming a bit low compared to how it feels like in game

[fickle dock]

imo sims are not really accurate atm

[languid wyvern]

probably no yeah

[marsh needle]

are you questioning the robot?

[empty sluice]

4M cleave crit in uldaman, god damn

[olive nest]

Sounds like alot of time was put into the apl for pre patch

[marsh needle]

that’s how human genocide starts, we must trust our robots

[fickle dock]

no, i'm doing what he tells me to do anyway

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/onocS6pooGuDGVkbHsbDrH

[olive nest]

And I’m sure they’re still critiquing it so you should still be able to use it for a decent idea on what’s good

[odd mist]

Do not trust the robot, follow your heart

[wild heart]

@smoky kayak would you argue simming 3 min fight is better for prepatch? Since bosses without forced phases and downtime are barely lasting even that long

[elfin kindle]

just raid logging till TWW; does fury beat arms now? sims say arms beat but some friends keep telling me to go fury

[wild heart]

Play whats fun

Prepatch dont matter

Its 4 weeks of sillyness

[halcyon mason]

the avg wow player still needs at least 3 tier lists to determine what they find fun

that being said arms feels fun rn

[devout pewter]

We need tierlists for what is fun, maybe then people will actually play something different haha

[dire hinge]

If you know the boss will die fast that’s fine to use as an estimate for your performance (barring things like mechanics or the fight not actually lasting that long).

[dire hinge]

The best tier is alphabetical so we can always be A tier

[hollow axle]

We using ICON+PIP for leveling?

Need to same some bullions...

[upbeat minnow]

Arms changed just enough I’m totally lost again

[sacred zodiac]

press ms near on cd and you'll probably be fine

[thorn tulip]

sks is used now?

[mild hound]

whirlwind gone now? blacked out in my spellbook

[dim jay]

if you have cleave it replaces it

[mild hound]

oh

[calm hollow]

okay, so, how do i make this 560k? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iF4DQYyv7r3x47VhbcgMss

[dim jay]

i think only 2 new things are SKS and Ravager for st, and whirlwind is completely replaced by cleave for m+/ae setups

[latent moss]

sks is the same

[dim jay]

well yeah but we didnt take it

now we do

except for that short stint during S1

[hazy flower]

Bring back s2 sks raid

[fast zodiac]

sks means?

[dim jay]

skullsplitter

[mild hound]

we just sending cleave now since ww is gone?

not as many op procs

[fast zodiac]

ah for ST. i do mainly m+

[agile dove]

for opener do i send sks straight after roar now? or after first ms?

[dim jay]

i would think after roar, since roar 16 seconds vs sks 10

[vital mulch]

Blue Silk uptime at 45% seems a wee bit low 😄

[latent moss]

ye timmas says

80%

[sacred zodiac]

i thought arms sims are just broken rn

[calm hollow]

oh, true

[gaunt owl]

DN are broken

[calm hollow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dwzyUmVi8jNeJvhYWMLfyn ok we gained a little by that

[sacred zodiac]

sorry

[gaunt owl]

just not sure its using the new apl

so some stuff are probably missing

let me check

i didnt had time to catch up with the new cook

[sacred zodiac]

i will cook you

[olive nest]

Add hero talents

[calm hollow]

[olive nest]

[olive nest]

As long as you get the full 10 seconds of sks during roar you’re good

A few globals of wiggle room

I haven’t gotten to play with it yet

[calm hollow]

seems like this is the new tech

[gaunt owl]

it doesnt even matter

OMEGALUL

[olive nest]

MINMAX PAW

SMH

[gaunt owl]

cant min max shit

[olive nest]

🐕

[wintry scroll]

any changes in rotation ?

[olive nest]

Add sks and slam more

Otherwise not really

Mostly same prio

[latent moss]

idk this is how i do it but it might be cooked

[olive nest]

Rend before CS probably

But ye seems good to me

[latent moss]

ye idk why i used rend after cs here

[wintry scroll]

sks ?

[ivory quartz]

ye thats what i was doin last night

[wintry scroll]

ah skull

[olive nest]

Actually probably get rend* before cds really

[wintry scroll]

what abt legndary

[latent moss]

leggo makes it so cringe

if we didnt have leggo

[wintry scroll]

over sks ?

[olive nest]

It really does

[latent moss]

no leggo and no current tier

[wintry scroll]

sks>lego ?

[latent moss]

u would just

charge rend cds

but now its charge MS for tier leggo

[latent moss]

wdym

[olive nest]

Yeah fish for tier proc with ms before Lego

[wintry scroll]

do we just throw lego when we have no cds like season 4

[latent moss]

y

[wintry scroll]

aight

[olive nest]

Charge > ms > lego > rend > Ava+roar > ravager > CS > SkS > Blast

You lose an MS cast in there though

So might be worth to ms again after rend before cds

[latent moss]

doubt it

[olive nest]

Totally feely crafting I haven’t played with it yet

[stuck axle]

You only skullsplitter in CDs?

[wintry scroll]

isn't it better to just roar on pull

[wintry scroll]

with roar

since it buffs bleeds

[stuck axle]

Yeah but otherwise you just hold it

For 40 seconds?

[wintry scroll]

no

u use it

[stuck axle]

Okay thought so

Guide makes it seem like you just hold it for roar only

[wintry scroll]

no

[stuck axle]

You just make sure you have it up for roar

[wintry scroll]

it says when possible

not only

[stuck axle]

Icy veins is wrong I guess rip

[wintry scroll]

icy veins is the most braindead guide site in existence

[stuck axle]

Written by the same person lol

I just hate wowhead ads

[tropic umbra]

ah man, pressing slam again is weird

[wintry scroll]

i feel like icy veins is written by another person

[sacred zodiac]

can just press sks on cd p much no

21s cd roar is 45s

[wintry scroll]

cuz the wowhead version is on a whole another level of better

than icy

[wintry scroll]

ever heard of adblocker i don't recommand it but use it if you want

[latent moss]

y

u send it on cd

u are losign a lot of damage if u dont

as long as it does its job during troar windows

it doesnt matter

[wintry scroll]

so 21 21 42 wait 21 secs and use it again + roar

[latent moss]

just keep sending it

it will align naturally

troar is like

20 something seconds

cause funny bloodletting

24

nvm

[stuck axle]

The wowhead site is still slow af - I’m just on phone so no ad blocker rn

[latent moss]

its 16s

idk why

[wintry scroll]

beta testing on live

unless that's normal

[latent moss]

maybe it does damage like it was 6s longer idk

[gaunt owl]

you guys overthink the spec too much

i will headbutt my keyboard

on a nice rythm

and do 99%

[wintry scroll]

we're just goofing around

[sacred zodiac]

main characters

[wintry scroll]

i didn't even open my game i'm just asking

[sleek niche]

guys , should i take fast footwork or uproar ?

[latent moss]

nvm troar tooltip shows

bloodletting value

xdd

look ilvl

xdd

magmorax

[sacred zodiac]

both?

at least the talent tree i yoinked from somewhere plays both

( @thick kelp king )

[sacred zodiac]

that looks like m+

wait no it doesnt

[latent moss]

u are never playing bladestorm

unless u want to

obv

but numbers wise

kinda deadge

[fossil token]

Rumbling Earth and Piercing howl too

[latent moss]

you can drop 1bb for exhil blows maybe

idk nome played exhil blows

did good

idk

[wintry scroll]

electrocute instead of footworks

[sleek niche]

electrocute ?

[stark cape]

Alright so whats going on. Why are we doing more than 1.2 million DPS in a +14 key

[mellow seal]

eww shhitspliter iss back in

[fickle dock]

i assume sweeping strikes is still working with unhinged

so ss before bladestorm would be ok for aoe burst ?

[stark cape]

Can anyone share the talents thats doing 1.2 million DPS?

[boreal quartz]

Bro found an aug overall

[stark cape]

Arms must be bugged or something?

[boreal quartz]

In what way

People did >1 Mil overall in keys with godcomp

You could do 700k+ in AA quite okay

[fast zodiac]

so for m+ u run BS or rava? there is 2 builds depending on how much cleave but whats the general looks?

[latent moss]

cleave

does funny damage

[latent moss]

have u seen

collat

cancelaura

2x 1 mil cleave

in a cd window

and like 18x 500k cleaves

[stark cape]

I did 1.8 mill burst and 1.3 million throughput

[dire hinge]

Also Blademaster’s Torment has been reworked so it casts Sweeping Strikes for you when pressing Avatar

[boreal quartz]

Tech??

Dm

[latent moss]

idk ask walhe

[fickle dock]

thx i didn't saw that

[boreal quartz]

@thick kelp honey

I require cancel collat tech

[latent moss]

u dont

[thick kelp]

cutsed tech

[smoky kayak]

don't see any reason why not; just make sure you're consistent, whatever you do

[latent moss]

u really dont

[thick kelp]

cursed

[boreal quartz]

Dm

👩‍❤️‍💋‍👨

[upbeat minnow]

Is blademasters torment better to go with over one of the thunderous talents?

[hazy flower]

quite easily id say tbh

arms can pad nicely

[lunar vessel]

better how
so you can do a lazy avatar/tr macro by dropping uproar, sure
if you're taking skullsplitter you want both of those talents though
i don't really see a situation where you don't have full tr talents tbh - in st it gives giga bleeds + big skullsplitter value, in mt you'll want to tr as often as possible

[empty sluice]

no mbg uldaman crit

[fringe moon]

that sims highest for me as well

[limber oar]

incredible what talents you used D:

[empty sluice]

standard aoe with sks

took 1 point from deft to sks

[thick kelp]

swap massacre for sks niiol

feels Better imo

[empty sluice]

i dont have massacre either

[reef glade]

do sims function now?

[thick kelp]

SD better to drop for sks than Deft I am thinking

[inland quest]

wait u play skullplitter in m+ ?

[empty sluice]

yea im weirdo

[thick kelp]

SkS is very competitive in m+ tho

and has its moments

and is not a troll pick

[sturdy plank]

How i play with SkS? what is the Priolist?

[thick kelp]

u press sks on cd

thats it

during sweep ofc

[reef glade]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bzF4jwTdp3DNLo8yGgq2av

were last nights post-launch hotfixes potentially not added, for arm to be doing 515k and fury 524k for me

[midnight mural]

OCE is set to haste - is that best for u?

[reef glade]

eh i mean it was last week for the most part but idk havent bothered playing with it

regardless changing it's stats isnt the like 40k dps upgrade i thought arms was sposta be at

[ruby plover]

arms sims lower than fury for me as well, even though i do more dps with arms

[reef glade]

it prolly just is the hotfixes

[sturdy plank]

thanks man

[wheat whale]

cleave replacing whirlwind feels weird

[fringe moon]

By weird you mean great right?

[wheat whale]

can't decide, cuz i love whirlwind

[fringe moon]

I can’t imagine having another button to press

Soon we’ll have as many hot keys as monks…

[reef glade]

already do…

dropped ww to take sks…

never free from full hot bar…

[fringe moon]

Is it me or are we pushing slam way more now?

[reef glade]

yes

we are

slam is good button

and alternatives are bad

[minor gust]

What else is there to press besides slam as filler

SOS was massacred my poor boy

[fringe moon]

Ok, was just checking. Had to tweak my macros around because of this. Used to have a macro that had mod for slam, but now it’s on top since we use it so much.

[wintry scroll]

Is human warrior still gonna be biggest dps in tww ?

Or should i boost another race

[teal fossil]

human is better later in the expac

[thick kelp]

nobody knows

could be earthen to

[teal fossil]

mechagnome is generally the play for first tier but we dont know

[wintry scroll]

What would u guys recommand (i don't mind anything as long as it's not worgen)

[teal fossil]

earthen is also a contender

just go dwarf

[minor gust]

Nelf always

[teal fossil]

if you are a tryhard in m+

[wintry scroll]

No but i wanna make an alliance warrior to play with buds so might as well go for a good race

My main has been an orc since forever

When do we get earthern

[reef glade]

a month

[wintry scroll]

Is it some acheiv shit or available on release

[reef glade]

good question

[wintry scroll]

Don't tell me

I need renown 20

[plucky fern]

its definetly not from start

unlocking required

not sure which tho

[wintry scroll]

[plucky fern]

im sure its not renown tho, probably will just unlock at some point in the story

[sudden stirrup]

locked on an av

[gray steeple]

Earthen if they keep the 10% armor bonus.

[vernal crypt]

wait we don't take warbreaker in one of the m+ builds?

[wintry scroll]

Yea apparently it's just main quest max lvl quest and side quests

[uncut pasture]

no because In For The Kill is extended by Blunt Instruments now

so more haste uptime without warbreaker

[vernal crypt]

🤔 interesting, thank you

[amber field]

anyone else hate arms now or is it just me

[high lichen]

So the 3 extra sec haste window is worth the loss of 10sec 30% damage buff on all other targets ?

[hazy flower]

@daring heron thoughts

the very moment season ended

[daring heron]

typical

i actually got 2 of them in vault in s4

no tert though so definitely an L

[inland quest]

what's the talent for council amidrassil guys ?

[reef glade]

extended sweeping exhil blows probably

assuming your bosses are stacked a lot

[minor gust]

Dropping points from BB probably

[ebon garden]

i may want to play hybrid in M+ what would you drop to take sks ? feels like it can close the gab on mono and even on prio target with ss

[somber lance]

so arms in prepatch is even better than s5

s4?

[reef glade]

both specs are way better than in s4

[somber lance]

so we're s+ tier

got it

[reef glade]

i mean idk can just look at some prelim logs to see whos beating ass on some st fights

[minor gust]

It's prepatch who care

[reef glade]

arms is real good but i think bm is fuckin stupid too

[somber lance]

guess everything changes again when we get hero talents

in 1 month

[uncut pasture]

arms always s+ :armsRising:

[dusk geyser]

arms slaps, but i think bm will fall off real quick in the expansion

[minor gust]

[reef glade]

probably like 1 point in bloodborne

[honest girder]

Survival seems like it’s cooking too

[ebon garden]

as sks is maxing the bleed on period, i dont feel this is the obvious choice actually

for other talent i can fell dropping the point but for sks it may be diff

@smoky kayak cook us a build for M+ prio with sks, i want my button bloat back XD

[reef glade]

just drop what looks like the least valuable talent

ideally an aoe one

not rly that big a deal

maybe collat

but i think thats better cuz fob better

[ebon garden]

maybe battlelord ?

[reef glade]

thought we already dont run that

but if u still have that for some reason ya drop that

[ebon garden]

i am on this base actually

[reef glade]

yea i think mbg is preferred

for more cleave dmg

[thorn stratus]

you not playing DN?

[reef glade]

but nbd

o and that

[ebon garden]

dn damage is shit now

[thorn stratus]

still like 3-5% overall in keys?

[weak wave]

Why is Warbreaker so late? Why not right after Thunderclap?

[ebon garden]

i mean with this juicy cleave damage you dont even care about dreadnought

[smoky kayak]

yeah this - probably drop Battlelord from the Hybrid build? I don't think it adds that much anyway @ebon garden

[ebon garden]

great to have a confirm on this

[potent cedar]

wait is there some nutty arms damage going on rn

[reef glade]

yes

[ebon garden]

thanks for the confirmation

[smoky kayak]

idk if I'd call it a hard confirmation; it's just a brainstorm - feel free to play around though

[potent cedar]

please elaborate

[ebon garden]

yeah i feel the value of sks willbe there, for mono on M+ and even with sks after TR

[smoky kayak]

cause you don't wanna waste CS time on weaker abilities that deal their damage over time
Using Ravagar and TR before CS/WB means you only miss out on a couple ticks getting buff, and can put a GCD with more concentrated damage (like Cleave) inside CS instead

[reef glade]

arms is owning

[potent cedar]

also, puzzle box is good for arms???

[reef glade]

yes

[weak wave]

Thanks

[minor gust]

Always has been

[potent cedar]

I don't see it on like any of the trinket lists

🤔

[ebon garden]

Yeah the first skill you should generally press after WB is MS

or cleave in dj

[potent cedar]

oh I do see it I just missed it ig

[potent cedar]

Any fancy talents or is it just cleave more because of talent changes?

[somber lance]

do we use slam more now?

[reef glade]

yes

[somber lance]

fuck

[ebon garden]

i will try this tommorow, (dont take attention to the flex point, like second wind, pain and gain, blabla)

[uncut pasture]

anything that buffs cleave if you want full funny aoe dmg like Collateral Damage, otherwise yeah just press cleave off cd

[ebon garden]

two handed spec should just be erased as a talent -_-

it's just activate 5% aura via a talent

[smoky kayak]

if you're going for more prio damage, I'd probably stick with Blunt > WB, you really don't lose much multitarget value

[ebon garden]

then we can take endurence

[smoky kayak]

but that's up to you ofc

[ebon garden]

yeah i will see what it does for me

i think i just love warbreaker effect too much 😄

[unique cargo]

finally a usefull macro for me 🙂

#showtooltip
/use [form:2]Defensive Stance;Battle Stance

[smoky kayak]

I like it too, it's mostly just Arms not having a whole lot of concentrated multitarget damage; it's very much a sustained attacker atm

[smoky kayak]

try this one #arms message

[ebon garden]

actually it can be a swap for tyr vs fort week if this build feels good to me

[unique cargo]

isnt it the same? 😮

[uncut pasture]

i think it's mostly there to discourage weird edge cases where a sword and board build may be viable, maybe moving up in the tree could be good though so we'd have the points for endurance higher in the tree

[smoky kayak]

actually yeah it is now; the ! used to keep it from ever toggling a stance off, but I forgot they're protected buffs now so you can't do that anyway

[unique cargo]

ahh okay ^^

[smoky kayak]

maybe to a small degree, but it's also there just to eat the extra (11th) point in the class tree

you still wouldn't max Endurance anyway, since it's a two-point node now

[uncut pasture]

forgor it was a two point, but it feels really weird to have less stamina increases taken than a hunter

[somber lance]

is blunt instruments a lot better to use in the hybrid build vs warbreaker?

[thick kelp]

lose small amount of AOE for big ST gain

[somber lance]

oki

[ebon garden]

Just apply a two handed need for the core skills of arms. Op, ms cleave and problem solved

[vital mulch]

0 here :<

[sacred zodiac]

i will shrink ray you

[vital mulch]

Hope it backfires @sacred zodiac

[reef glade]

spongus cannot be shrunken more

or he will become ant

[vital mulch]

[gilded stump]

ask shaman for Skyfury
he doesnt know what it is
explain it to him
he links it
doesnt cast it anyway

[minor gust]

Avg shaman

[vital mulch]

Nothing beats the pug fury warrior with 520 ilvl that did not have rampage on his bars and didn't know whirlwind makes you cleave

[gilded stump]

hes got a 2.5k m+ rating

[sacred zodiac]

my warband looks very funny

[reef glade]

are they all

[sacred zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/789342812507471872/1265635147361812611/image.png?ex=66a23a15&is=66a0e895&hm=1b6abc400464c4edec1ea4234e14fec535a424de86bccaa031b91c4d4da78a57&

[reef glade]

😭

a single woman and her 3 pets

[slow saddle]

hahahahaa

awesome

[still lava]

Furzoned

[slow saddle]

i swear arms chat is best chat

[gaunt owl]

thats the bozo rating score

even a 4k m+ rating doesnt mean he is good

they just are more dented

[gilded stump]

I only have 1.1

[gaunt owl]

so its a tiny dent

[wintry scroll]

I have 900

What's that

[gaunt owl]

its almost undented

[wintry scroll]

Fury was better in season 2 df

[slow saddle]

the tears ?

[sacred zodiac]

not on the bosses that mattered :(

[wintry scroll]

We talking abt chat

Not the class

[gaunt owl]

it always was

[sacred zodiac]

real

[gaunt owl]

on every aspect Arms is always better

you are just following the herd movement

[wintry scroll]

Arms fell off since mop

Actually since legion

[minor gust]

Arms won't get the love it deserves till everyone stops playing it

[grand idol]

Arms was really nice in late shadowlands.

[minor gust]

It must be done

[slow saddle]

Arms chat is god

also fury was better in season 3 as well by far

still arms was god

[tropic umbra]

anyone noticed that the escape menu is fuckin huge now?

[reef glade]

yea

and talents i feel like

maybe not tho

[pale jungle]

I didn't notice it behind the 37-meter spellbook

[tropic umbra]

that too

I'm using Moveit to scale it down cause fuck me

[grand idol]

The spellbook does have a make smaller button

[wintry scroll]

How do i make polls

Let's poll it out

Fuking boycott arms

[mystic saddle]

anyone feel like arms is broken right now?

[wintry scroll]

Until they rework it

[wintry scroll]

Yes cuz scaling is weird

By the time we hit 80 say goodbye to that

[mystic saddle]

doing massively more dmg than fury or all 3 mage specs for me

[wintry scroll]

Survival too

They do a lot of dmmg

[dire hinge]

survival has that bug right?

or is that Beta only

[hallow turtle]

It’s live

[dire hinge]

the one that makes them do like a million explosive shots

[hallow turtle]

It’s on retail

[dire hinge]

hehe yeah this one. RIP it's on retail, that's wild

[potent cedar]

That sounds fun

[cyan fox]

with the new talents do you ever press Skullsplitter outside Thunderous Roar?

[dire hinge]

you press it when its available and it should align near TRoar

[karmic veldt]

every other sks is with troar

[cyan fox]

ok I was reading the wowhead rotation guide and it looked like it was only during TR

[vital mulch]

My god Spongie

[fresh spire]

Push it in tr. But you can send it on cd inbetween

[sacred zodiac]

the truth

[wintry scroll]

There is another one that says if possible i believe

[upbeat minnow]

In aoe do I want to double execute before cleave or just when I can?

[charred brook]

anybody got a working execute WA yet

my atrocity one br0ke

tried to fix but im dumb

[calm hollow]

you lose like 5k dps tho on not playing Sharpened blades

[wind quiver]

execute feels so much more responsive

[frosty remnant]

make a thread in the aui help channel. me and a few others have but no help yet. im usually pretty good with weak auras but this one beats me

in the atrocity disc

[charred brook]

he already said hes not messing w that stuff until tww comes out

[grand idol]

Executes just a filler. You dont track slam do you

[charred brook]

huh

the WA is there it just doesnt work properly

[frosty remnant]

yea i know that. but theres a chance someone with a temp fix can see the thread and share a fix

[halcyon valve]

arms nation, how are we feeling about 1.8 million crits with cleave

[dire hinge]

[autumn mortar]

So are the builds posted to Icy and Wowhead worth copy pasting, at least for now?

[halcyon valve]

havent checked, just punching these training dummies trying to get even bigger crits

my biggest issue is that i havent played at all this season so none of my gear is upgraded