arms

[boreal quartz]

bro the SL revvez one goes SO HARD

[waxen elbow]

Dude

Yes

That UI is goated

[boreal quartz]

the OG one with HP bars central below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWcEYB0u9Mg&t=884s

not sure abt buff spot

but the hp below and uncapped lower bar is sick

[waxen elbow]

Yeah in DF i've just been using something very similar to Critcake's UI

But in SL i used Atrocity and it was fine

[boreal quartz]

i just cba to pay for wow

when i alr pay

• ui yap is fun

[waxen elbow]

True

I love messing with my UI ngl i just do it for no reason

It's like changing my settings in csgo

[dire hinge]

being able to customize the UI/UX is one of the main reasons i struggle to ever really care about other MMOs

[boreal quartz]

also if i make the ui myself i know how to fix it

[dire hinge]

you can make anything work for the way your brain needs, it's so good

[waxen elbow]

Yeah same

If the game has all my abilities down at the bottom and i can't change it i just cba playing the game

[visual fern]

I do other people's UIs for fun

It's a vibe

[boreal quartz]

lemme see if i have my old mage one

even better - this was my first selfmade ui in sl

its so ass

[sacred zodiac]

noob

[visual fern]

Unless your name is @teal tide

[boreal quartz]

who?

[visual fern]

Im honestly boutta just play smth like goop UI with the centralized player frame

And delete target frame

I'm a nameplate / boss frame gamer anyway

[boreal quartz]

didnt we talk abt this start df?

the idea is so good

[dire hinge]

one of my mistweaver friends got to a point of just hiding all spells and it's a series of iconless progress bars of various colors

0% shareable

[teal tide]

What

[slender sonnet]

huh

[dire hinge]

kinda neat that it works for his brain

[teal tide]

Oh yea, fuck you buddy! @visual fern

[chilly mulch]

Why try hard to cook your own UI when you can just download a widely applicable pak

[dire hinge]

to each their own, some people enjoy it or have different needs/preferences than what the premade packs give you

[dire hinge]

i had him go back and find it haha

[boreal quartz]

Enjoyment

[livid cloak]

I'm so dumb every time I try to configure a ui element it all just blows up

Configuring for 32 : 9 is weird also

Shit just hanging out in the middle

[dire hinge]

yeah, lots of screen space and putting things off to the side quickly makes it leave your perifreal vision

[livid cloak]

Yean

[dire hinge]

well, your meaningful perifreal vision

[livid cloak]

Yeah

[dreamy sleet]

Mistweaver is something I wanted to try eventually tbh

[verbal marten]

Slightly high dmg fatal mark

[teal fossil]

has to be in Tom right

[woven wasp]

evoker can buff it too

[latent moss]

one day

[latent moss]

prob ebon might + tom

signet + pbox

double str trinkets i guess

[boreal quartz]

My first elvui was just quasi

Xd

[latent moss]

get that boss off my screen

[halcyon mason]

funny this topic came up, I just deleted elvui after using it since it originally came out and I haven't missed it at all.

also got rid of weakauras and am using mostly the stock UI with a couple lightweight add-ons. it actually helped my play, less distractions on the screen

[prisma heart]

Stock ui and minimal weakauras made my game feel giga responsive I can't go back

[halcyon mason]

I hear that. I didn't realize how much they had slowed things down. I have a pretty decent setup and the game feels like lightning now whereas before it just felt ok

might phase weakauras back in eventually but I don't think I'll ever go back to a full setup like elv or toxi again

total add-on usage is less than 1/5 of what my previous setup was

[halcyon mason]

that's what I did! small change but makes the game feel a lot more modern

I actually removed target and player unitframes lol, player frame felt the most redundant to me

[latent hull]

I loved the old ui

[old urchin]

I’ve checked the TWW updates thread and the FAQ threat but came up empty. Is there an updated guide for builds after pre-patch or are we staying basically the same till we have access to hero talents?

[dire hinge]

There are still a few things we don’t know regarding prepatch, such as whether or not Tier Sets will stay enabled. We’ll learn more soon (or when it launches next week).

So there’s no updated guide yet since we don’t know what the state will be next week

[barren goblet]

ts is ass bro

[opaque citrus]

no way

my first ui was ass??

[barren goblet]

yeah thats crazy man

[marsh needle]

lol if it works for them then it’s a good UI right? I feel like UIs are a very personal thing

unless there are like glaring problems like repeated buff frames or duplicate things that could be cut down for more vision on the screen

for example I play with my player frames in the top left, i’ve been playing since vanilla and could never get used to moving them to the middle, but to some people that is unplayable

[languid talon]

Hi guys, any good weakaura / addon to see my team's cooldowns on M+?

[misty bridge]

Omnicd

[crisp crane]

t-72hrs until arms

[fossil thistle]

Who Angrydank anyone know him?

[icy mulch]

I know it's been a long time since I said anything here, but I'm still not getting any hype from this new expac. Maybe it's gun shy from being promised things only to have it nerfed into the dirt. Just not feeling it.

[wintry arch]

is it ok to use ashes instead of puzzle box

[sacred zodiac]

its probably not optimal but do what you want

[swift crown]

Season is over, expansion is over

[sacred zodiac]

schmidi send me more poe technology

[swift crown]

equip Int items if that's what you feel like

If your build is not rated E for Endurance charges it's bad that's the tech

[sacred zodiac]

if im not killing uber maven 20 minutes in with the build i stole from you i will blame you

[swift crown]

unfortunate

[sacred zodiac]

i will call you out on twitter

[swift crown]

naurrr

[boreal quartz]

@visual fern i just remembered, if you want a goop style ui droki is a rlly good one to look at imo

@sacred zodiac new trial we have ranaeri says they know u from inner sanctum

[cold vigil]

when to use fyralath

its ability i mean

[boreal quartz]

On CD outside of cds

Ideally with tier buff up

[cold vigil]

thanks. also how far is the charge range?

[sacred zodiac]

ye hes cool

[boreal quartz]

idk like 20 or so

[fossil thistle]

Approx 20yrd

[boreal quartz]

hes doin good so we prolly keep cool man

[storm prism]

Should I be spamming out cleave on CD in AoE or do I only use it on higher target counts?

[swift crown]

My guild also has a really cool warrior player but you probably dont know him

[sacred zodiac]

i bet my logs are comparable if not better

[swift crown]

idk man

this warrior is kinda good

[woven wasp]

the very same inner sanctum?

[green forum]

Have any sims been posted of Pre patch numbers?

[boreal quartz]

No, most are doing tww sims if anything

And of those i dont think any are public

[dire hinge]

too many things changing still to matter tbf

[woven wasp]

theres been some

ive seen ~515k if tier isnt disabled

[lunar vessel]

that's... a nice little bump

[sage badge]

Arms owns

[reef glade]

no stop. Fury must be better

it’s actually going to play good for first time in 3 months

[sage badge]

[woven wasp]

fury was like ~525k

[wild spindle]

Any talent builds for pre patch? Or are we running same setup as now just without set pieces

[clever crag]

Ngl all 3 war heros loking solid

[sage badge]

Nice

[woven wasp]

sarris been doing that i think

[quasi torrent]

who? I heard elgnisto is powerful

[fossil thistle]

Super late but would definitely MS before fyralath because Fyralath use can bug out on charge animation.
Using MS will guarantee you’re in range / not charging

[teal fossil]

Also puts ms on cd

Also rolls the dice on tier set

Also start deep wounds

You always ms before leggo

[vestal smelt]

Is there a website that lists the dps sims for each race? I swear in the past I have seen something that does that

Oh nvm it's bloodmallet lol

[spring marten]

Guys. Arms is still good in TWW M+?

[wild heart]

No its terrible

Im jk

Most classes will be just fine. Will there be slightly better classes that will matter for the top 0.01% of keys? Yes, but play what you enjoy

If youre asking the question youre not doing high enough keys for it to matter

[spring marten]

Honestly i dont wanna again decline all week for some normal +10 keys:D

sadly im pug player:D

[wheat whale]

i mean you've probably been declined all week cuz ur io is low or because its incorporeal week and warriors dont do anything for that im pretty sure

[marsh needle]

pugging incorp weeks without a stop is always rough

[teal fossil]

That’s going to be true as long as you play dps

There’s millions of people applying for dps every key

[austere river]

earthquaker might actually bring some unappreciated value to arms/colossus in m+

bringing aoe stun/knock up every 20sec is rare

[teal fossil]

Aug

[thick kelp]

So rare its part of Augs rotation

[austere river]

but what did i say again? did i say none of the other classes can do it, or did i say its rare class can bring it?

[thick kelp]

Yeah but why bring Arms when Aug

if u specifically need that

[quaint otter]

Becuz arms owns

[austere river]

so are you saying that 20sec stun/knockback that arms has has no value in m+?

since thats what i am saying, and you are spouting buts

even if you have comp that has arms + aug, shockwave still has value

[thick kelp]

ofc

shockwave good button

[austere river]

and how many classes exist in the game that has 20sec cd stun/knockback?

not many, thats why i said rare

"but but"

[thick kelp]

Would you rather have one 20s cd stun/knockup or 6 different forms of CC

comparing to an extreme end now tho so

idc

[vocal solar]

hey guys

is there any excel with trinkets for DF i remember there was a link, would appreciate if someone has it 😄

[sacred zodiac]

i think you're looking for bloodmallet?

although gearing or making decisions off of exclusively that is very cooked

[vocal solar]

ye ik just want a general view

tyy

[hazy flower]

Isnt arcane busted and arcane has that

Ergo a spec thats popular can provide it

[boreal quartz]

mage has 4 of them

rof/bw/db/nova

[slow saddle]

Well shockwave + collosus = yeet up

So theres that

[boreal quartz]

so does supernova?

[hazy flower]

Ok ive never played arcane

I didnt know

What supernova is

Had to google

But bw/db are already strong + rof is insanely good for kiting + also a stop so xd

[slow saddle]

Well plz

Dont compare with mage

Mage is mc of wow

[grave cedar]

Any changes to our builds for pre-patch? Posting tomorrow?

[cold vigil]

if an enemy walks away from you while you channel the lego axe ability does it still deal dmg?

[boreal quartz]

ye

but it obv cant do the aoe splash to stuff that isnt in it

[cold vigil]

meaning?

[boreal quartz]

itll hit the thing you main target initially for some damage

[cold vigil]

not the full dmg?

like not the 1 mil it says?

[boreal quartz]

dont think its full dam

i used to do the early lego on laro and it still hit

but just holding for adds is better

[livid cloak]

if they walk out of your range, you'll just slap the ground and hit nothing with the splash

[daring heron]

all hits except last one will always hit

last one is a frontal cone

might be frontal box actually but yeah

[buoyant cargo]

Will there be pre-patch guides tomorrow with the new talentbuilds?

[boreal quartz]

@smoky kayak hello sir will there be guides for prepatch? Ive seen this question appear every now and then and would like to be answer it going forward

[smoky kayak]

tomorrow after the patch drops

some things partially up tonight, but should be considered incomplete

[boreal quartz]

@buoyant cargo

[boreal quartz]

Thanks for the quick response

[buoyant cargo]

[thorny ibex]

Sims is telling me vers is a stat I need, but why

[thick kelp]

cuz u have everything else already

follow robot

[boreal quartz]

cuz its good stat

[thorny ibex]

Ye but dropping 1000 crit for vers?

[boreal quartz]

ye

if ur really good u need 0 crit cuz u crit 100% of th time

[thorny ibex]

Ye I'm the best

Cap

[boreal quartz]

so ye follow sim it is right

[thick kelp]

make sure

your corrupting flask

is not unethical

[thorny ibex]

👍

[livid cloak]

People ask why robot do thing

Robot only follow programming

You should only follow robot

[gaunt owl]

robot do all the math for us

[swift crown]

A real gamer

Find God on the tierlist

Mark of shame

[quasi torrent]

find god means u should go and find god to challenge them

[strange perch]

Dog = god so find dog cuddle dog pet dog happy dog

[cold vigil]

im kinda hoping for a world where smash is viable to spec into

[reef glade]

what is smash

[fresh spire]

[latent hull]

I think he meant slam

[clever lichen]

Rage spended under new “storm of swords” counts in “test of might”?

If whirlwinds will cost 0 rage

[quaint otter]

looks like no

[clever lichen]

Looks like shit

[sage bison]

So what im getting is that we are forced to play colossus over slayer if we want to parse above blue in raid?

[hexed saddle]

I wouldnt be surprised if there ended up being separate sections for each hero spec

[sage bison]

[woven wasp]

I don't see it as being much different the choosing different capstone talents, don't see why they'd be seperated

[hexed saddle]

because they create distinct playstyle differences

[woven wasp]

I mean

So does am/ra

[hexed saddle]

yeah but thats not an entire talent system

I just wouldnt be surprised if, like on wowhead, there were now filters for each hero spec

like you can look at just dps warrior or you can look at arms/fury rankings

[woven wasp]

Filters sure

Rank 1 thane is turbo meme though

[hexed saddle]

prob a metric that people will care about tho

i suspect kihra will do a poll or some shit

[glossy olive]

What was the addon/WA that announces what you reflected and how much dmg you did with the reflection?

[outer holly]

I think he took it down because of an argument

[dire hinge]

likely this one?
https://wago.io/gDJ5XzNk1

[copper summit]

i just reseted my computer what is that other app other than curseforge to download elvui on?

[smoky kayak]

wowup?

or the wago one

[copper summit]

yea wowup

tyty

[gloomy summit]

[glossy olive]

Ty

[clever crag]

So basically our playstyle is exactly the same just take demolish instead of leggo axe

Kek

[smoky kayak]

not exactly, but pretty similar

Demolish at least feels a lot better than the Axe IMO

[honest girder]

Does axe still work upto a certain level?

Or they binned it?

[lunar vessel]

Not heard anything about it being disabled. You'll probably still be using it until 80

[languid wyvern]

43% is quite a number for all abilities

[fossil thistle]

Finally got it

Can I play now 😄

[lunar vessel]

Yeah I'm interested to see the sims. The numbers could be quite insane. I wouldn't be surprised to see 600k+ in ST

[thick kelp]

:xdx

[gaunt owl]

If people knew

[thick kelp]

[slow saddle]

Wth t roar capped

Year of the ?

[thick kelp]

❎

[latent moss]

❎

[vital mulch]

❌

[latent moss]

spear = evil

[slow saddle]

We had 1 uncapped ability. Get wrecked warrior... 1 nice thing🤣

Couldnt find what is the softcap? 8?

New spear is ok. O circle to stand in🤣

[cold vigil]

anyone got bonegrinder build?

[cold vigil]

or what could i drop for a point in it?

[boreal quartz]

BB/EP

[cold vigil]

whats bb

bloodborne?

[cinder dove]

bb is bloodborne
ep is executioner's precision

[cold vigil]

yeah i got it

but neither seems worth dropping 🤔

[thick kelp]

well u asked what u could drop

but now u see

[boreal quartz]

Almost as if BG is a shit talent to grab

I personally just drop 1 BB for mass

More st good

[thick kelp]

Just wait for prepatch xdd

[latent moss]

UNHINGED

I AM UNHINGED

[thick kelp]

then u can take mbg all u wnat

[latent moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046046500578406479/1265022442599088192/makesweet-volebs.gif

[thick kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046046500578406479/1265022442599088192/makesweet-volebs.gif

[odd fog]

You think we will do better than Fury in Raids ?

[thick kelp]

hold on

🔮

Yes

[latent moss]

wait need to check

double check walhes prediction

🔮

Yes

[boreal quartz]

!8ball

Meh...

[sage badge]

Arms owns

[thick kelp]

[dark cedar]

I’m a bit confused as to when I should use bladestorm? The damage on it feels really bad to me

I have been doing better just cleaving and whirlwind in aoe or sweeping strikes for smaller packs

[boreal quartz]

Hurricane

Read the talent

[ivory quartz]

im excited to see how wacky numbers might be

mythic kazzaras dying in 40 seconds lol

[frigid lava]

Guys...

pre TWW starts this week?

[cinder dove]

today NA and tomorrow EU

[frigid lava]

Dannng

[mint flint]

Aight boys, are we hype for 5% model size increase!?!

[boreal quartz]

not yet

[amber field]

yeah im hyped

[frigid lava]

new talents today?

[tribal vessel]

I am 5% more depressed

[uncut pasture]

"new" talents such as Finishing Blows, which was originally half of Strength of Arms, but no hero talents from Colossus or Slayer until August, not on live servers at least

[dim jay]

yeap, hero trees are just the talent points we'd get leveling from 70 to 80, so ofc we don't get them until we can hit level 71

[frigid lava]

My body is ready.

[warped spade]

I am reading these patch notes and I keep wondering why they keep making OP (a non-rage filler) stronger than slam

I say non-rage filler but really depending on amount of targets with dreadnaught can even be prio..

[warped spade]

changing with the new patch but for bonegrinder I was droping Storm of swords, cleave and executioner's and taking fervor of battle and bloodsurge.

obligatory not an optimal build

[eternal vortex]

Any changes to our rotation after prepatch?

[warped spade]

no WW ST, more rage management are the big ones

[uncut pasture]

the best answer you're going to get for why blizzard tunes classes the way they do is buying a magic 8 ball and asking that, but they're buffing op so much because they're nerfing Dreadnaught's base damage, it's just changing where op's dmg is coming from

not to mention the op dmg buff from Battlelord is gone, and you'll be casting it less with the Tactician nerf

[warped spade]

I understand why dreadnaught was added, pressing a ST filler in AOE feels bad. I think dreadnaught is a much cleaner solution than what they are doing with other specs/classes with added spells and creating more button bloat. I think dreadnaught being nerfed is good. you shouldn't be doing so much with a filler spell

[daring heron]

on the other hand it is a proc, and procs should matter

overpower also feels very bad if it hits like a wet noodle

because then you have a proc that does nothing

[warped spade]

I agree, procs should matter but It feels like OP is overwhelming the rotation so much it breaks the rage management

[daring heron]

overpower is more reasonable in tww

end of DF overpower is too strong

[warped spade]

Idk if moving the proc to some other spell would make it better. I started in cata where op was disabled until you parried or it procced. It had one use and was a strong spell but not overwhelming to the point where you could screw yourself on rage if you spent too much

Rage management did feel much better on beta

[fresh spire]

maybe buffed to 100% tonight

[fresh spire]

tbh if this is how they did balancing i'd have mad respect

"do we buff arms"

"noooo, ask me again later"

https://tenor.com/view/magic-eight-ball-signs-no-gif-12565031

[fossil thistle]

Big L

[lunar vessel]

I liked playing the no-cleave no-bladestorm imp-SS build, not optimal by any means (about 10% under BS/Cleave in 5T) but still viable for M10-12
I guess the DN nerf will be somewhat mitigated by OP buffs and hero tree that buffs OP, since they affect DN damage

[daring heron]

DN still ends up around 3% of your overall dps even with all those things

which isnt exactly bad for 1 talent point, just nowhere near what it was in end of df

[hazy flower]

whats dn

[lunar vessel]

dreadnaught

[hazy flower]

no

wrong

[lunar vessel]

lame

[quartz cedar]

I was fully expecting a DEEZ NUTS answer

[lunar vessel]

yeah

still, at least we get Stun Seed in TWW

[fossil thistle]

Deez nuts

https://tenor.com/view/deeznuts-gotem-deez-nuts-gottem-gif-4649117

[fallen copper]

We are droping thunder clap to apply rend in st o...o?

[fossil thistle]

Probably? in pure ST I could see that

[fallen copper]

Tee hee hee, i love the feeling of re-learning

[dire hinge]

Yeahhh these next few weeks will be a lot of re-educating, but that’s the fun of it!

[fossil thistle]

Replace thunderclap with rend on action bars. pretty easy 😄

[dire hinge]

I think mine might still be set up as a [known:] macro

I’ll have to check later

[fallen copper]

yeah, i'm rly enjoying the vibe, not being sarcastic :3

[dire hinge]

It’s fresh and exciting!

[quartz cedar]

i welcome all the new expansion changes

as you said, it keeps things fresh and interesting

[lunar vessel]

shared action bars with [known:] is so good

[rare kite]

technically it is more dps, but the tooltip difference is very small. i'm just gonna tc

[teal fossil]

The rage cost could be rough

If you tc to reapply

[pale jungle]

they're both the same rage now

[teal fossil]

Ah forgot

[thick kelp]

So exited to spec Ravager tomorrow when I wakeup and drop fatality

smilege

[fair gate]

skullsplitter 🤮

[uncut tangle]

Small mistake in the Arms pre patch guide, it's the fury changes at the top :p

[rain robin]

does someone have a link to new talent builds for new patch. Thought I would have some more time to play around before my raid time, but maintance got pushed

[uncut tangle]

they have been updated on wowhead already btw

[rain robin]

dope thanks !

[strange perch]

Didn’t know Arms mastery affected enrage effects.

[reef glade]

[dire hinge]

the big thing is after prepatch this is no longer the case. We dont really take Tclap in single target any more (pathing changed, and also Tclap has 50% of the Attack Power that Rend does)

[calm hollow]

i wonder if fury will pump more in prepatch

[minor gust]

it will

[calm hollow]

i dont have flighstones to lvl up an Ashkandur

[minor gust]

its prepatch not like it matters anyways

[calm hollow]

sure thing, but we still have a month

[opaque anchor]

Why is Test of Might no longer the hot shit in 11.0?

[hexed saddle]

iftk got buffed

lasts the duration of CS instead of just static 10s

which means it scales with BI

[woven wasp]

also rage changes with no changes to tom

[opaque anchor]

How much RPS are we losing?

[woven wasp]

no idea exactly

but youre generating and spending less

[opaque anchor]

^^

[woven wasp]

like, 40 rage tc and 60 rage ww no longer exist

you have 30 ms and everything else is 20

[opaque anchor]

did rage from whitehits also get changed?

[woven wasp]

no

but you lost 5% auto speed

[opaque anchor]

yep

[woven wasp]

and warlords torment has been gutted

[opaque anchor]

did AM lose a lot of potential too?

in terms of lining up CDs/Buffs

will TOM and CS overlap even return during TWW endgame or is that scenario not benefiting from hero talents?

[teal fossil]

It may return super late

But it won’t be common

[opaque anchor]

guess we will never have the BFA S4 haste cap scenario again

maybe if they decide that TLT is thematically about going all out again

[teal fossil]

They added soft capes for a reason

What’s tlt

[opaque anchor]

The Last Titan

and haste should be able to go to 100% via rating

[teal fossil]

It can go to 100% via rating

It’s just not realistic

[dire hinge]

Rip Tom

[woven wasp]

Fuck tom!!! Fuck tom!! I'm gay I'm gay!! fuck!!!

[ornate eagle]

[pure otter]

iftk is fun

haste go brrrrr

[tribal sedge]

Is ToM really gone?? 😄

[woven wasp]

its still in the game just the worse option

[tribal sedge]

thank god ....not a fan

[quartz cedar]

Who is betting that the server maintenance gets pushed back again?

9pm pacific!

[dire hinge]

there it is lol

[strange perch]

at this rate they might as well just say "get fucked US players you are euros now"

[dire hinge]

im just happy we opted to cancel our raid night a few hours ago

[dreamy egret]

why would arms not take fatality for raid ?

[woven wasp]

its not as strong as other things you can take there

[dire hinge]

Can confirm, it sims lower than the other options

you can reallocate the 2 points of Deft Experience into both Fatal Mark and Sharpened Blades, but it's slightly worse

[gilded stump]

Thank god Fatality sucks RIP BOZO

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[wintry arch]

You think they’ll ever change skullsplitter back

I miss season 2

[dreamy egret]

idk i liked fatality

[verbal marten]

fatality is annoying

[minor gust]

it was boring

it was a big number u never even saw

[dire hinge]

at least it scaled linearly with fight length

[smoky kayak]

Pre-Patch Updates

• Arms has gained ~30% damage (including today's), with the top end around 560k.
• No significant gear changes, though there are several talent & rotation updates - mainly using In for the Kill, Skullsplitter, and Ravager, with Slam as the filler instead of Thunder Clap/Whirlwind.
• In multitarget, Cleave is a powerhouse, and Ravager gives Arms more options than ever before, though you can still choose to build into a hybridized priority damage dealer or full on AoE.
• See the updated Wowhead and Icy-Veins guides for more information.
  Please use this channel for live pre-patch content and #1230008337517514772 for other content not yet available.

[dreamy egret]

since mastery is our lowest now do we change our crafteds?

[minor gust]

[misty bridge]

global release

[smoky kayak]

I didn't spend much time optimizing gear or exploring stat progression, so I would recommend just simming for yourself once Raidbots is back up

for such a short timespan of already completed content, there's just not a whole lot of interest to warrant going really in depth for the Pre-Patch

[fathom shoal]

thx again archimtiros for all the effort 🧡

[smoky kayak]

happy to help

[paper summit]

for real real, no cap, on god though

[zealous pivot]

we live yall

[fringe moon]

servers are up

[dire hinge]

online, but not fully accessible it seems

[gilded stump]

I don't see this as an issue tbh

[ivory quartz]

wait babe thats not a bug aha ur so sexy dont fix it aha

[fringe moon]

are sims working?

[zealous pivot]

base ui is awful

[gilded stump]

arms aura I buff is now 43%

We're so back baby

ret paladins got their old tree

Lmao

[fringe moon]

@smoky kayak are sims working for prepatch?

[dire hinge]

should be, yes

[smoky kayak]

yep

[dire hinge]

cursory test works
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g79QStEu8PKdV4sgWYVcTM

[smoky kayak]

need to check to see if raidbots has picked up the tuning yet

doesn't look like it

so you can probably a solid 8-10%ish to that

and the sins of Season 3 hit Fury hard

[fringe moon]

I'm testing out different talent builds

is the build on wowhead the top ST raid build?

simmed it against the old build that we have minus warlords and it sims way lower....

[sour grove]

why is eu still down?

[wooden tide]

sooo we arent taking any torment talent?

[minor gust]

nope their poop

[frigid lava]

Ah....

addon fiasco is on

safe to disable all i guess?

[fringe moon]

execute buffed

fun

[misty bridge]

should be up soon, you can already log in.

the servers are only offline

[fading sage]

For ST, would it be worth dropping Shockwave and maybe Honed reflex to be able to grab Thunderclap? Considering most "ST" raid fights have some adds on it

[brittle fiber]

did people's huds get reset?

mine is gone

[sour grove]

just checked some reddit post, some guy said they will be down till 11:00 CEST, idk if he's trolling or not

[woven wasp]

bnet says 3-11 yes

[nocturne glacier]

We still never press slam yeah?

[woven wasp]

you definitely do

[nocturne glacier]

RIP my action bar setup then

[woven wasp]

same rage as everything else and more damage

[empty sluice]

Just put it to ww button xd

[wind quiver]

you use slam instead of whirlwind and thunder clap as filler

[woven wasp]

i never unbound slam

[wind quiver]

same, was in the rotation this season already

[frigid lava]

Any good new talent template? I'm lazy

[woven wasp]

yeah so blizzard have starter talent builds you can choose

[fading sage]

wowhead is updated

[frigid lava]

icic thanks

[misty bridge]

Yes, for lack of a better term.. It's just a window. usually when you can log in and see the servers offline they will generally be online within a couple of hours

[fringe moon]

so...with the latest buffs, do they now change which talents we're picking up?

[thick kelp]

nah

[brittle fiber]

did anyone get the visions of azeroth quest pop up? thought we're meant to bea ble to start it

[steep delta]

I'm surprised we don't take exhilarating blows. Isn't more casts of MS a no brainer?

[woven wasp]

ms with no martial prowess, and no rage generated to help fund it

[smoky kayak]

#updates-midnight message

[tribal cliff]

What’s better avoidance or leech? I have to pick between one for my vault.

[steep delta]

Wow arms master race

[misty bridge]

Archi, is the fury sim with 2p+2p?

[fringe moon]

@smoky kayak whenever sims take into account the latest buffs, will you be updating the wowhead builds if there's any changes?

[charred brook]

Can we see the sim

[wind quiver]

avoidance since the game tries to oneshot you more than it tries to kill you with rot dmg

[smoky kayak]

na I figured I'd just never update them again 🙃

[woven wasp]

most the playerbase sets and forgets why not join em

[charred brook]

@smoky kayak can you link me the sim by chance, or is it available somewhere

[tribal cliff]

Thank you

[smoky kayak]

no, you can do your own once they update

[charred brook]

based

[quick marlin]

Give the man a break!!

[smoky kayak]

I literally can't, I did them locally lol

[charred brook]

i see

[steep delta]

Training dummy, combat log and an excel spreadsheet

Archi is doing the lord's work for us

[reef glade]

do u have to update simc for this? mine still saying talents are fuckin up

just type /simc and paste but still babyraging at me

powerful

[snow flame]

You can change your talents

At the bottom

Dummy

Just import a build

[charred brook]

u are very strong

[steep delta]

When an ability says deals reduced damage beyond 5, how much is it reduced by?

[woven wasp]

its damage is still increased, it just increases at a lower rate per mob above 5

https://www.wowhead.com/news/aoe-in-patch-9-1-5-the-math-behind-aoe-soft-caps-and-square-root-scaling-324101

[steep delta]

I see. Does every class have a target cap like warrior does?

Thanks for linking the article

[reef glade]

average bazeface w

this is why u are god

why damage small tho

[woven wasp]

because ur bad

[reef glade]

[strange perch]

Someone tell me why I shouldn't play flash bang talent for M+

[charred brook]

i dont think the new update wiht the arms buff is in there yet

[reef glade]

ya i think its just apl stuff

it still wouldve been like 500k before buffs

now the top end is 560kish apparently

[woven wasp]

paladin discord is two blocks down

[charred brook]

yeah i wanna see how archi got 560k

once the apl updates ill mess around tomorrow

[strange perch]

Is it really that bad?

[woven wasp]

what the hell is a flash bang talent

[strange perch]

Champion's Spear (Spear of Bastion)

[wind quiver]

but it's brown and earthy now

[strange perch]

Nah, took the glyph so I can still flash bag

[woven wasp]

no ones stopping you 🤷‍♂️

[wind quiver]

[woven wasp]

its just worse, especially so for arms

[tacit cedar]

i think bulions are broken again

[hallow turtle]

For tswift would it be worth running war breaker or “blunt instrument”?

[lunar vessel]

No

[zealous pivot]

is it just me

or does arms feel good with all these secondaries

[reef glade]

nice casual +8 algethar

[zealous pivot]

bout to time a 16 av with a 2800 tank

we doing so much dam

[cloud dawn]

Cleave is SO good

[peak aspen]

am I tripping or we dont have Whirlwind as arms anymore?

[thick kelp]

Read cleave talent

[cloud dawn]

Cleave replaces WW

[reef glade]

o wait we have to actually rend on st?

holy cringe

[cloud dawn]

Yeah haha

[reef glade]

i dont want to hit that button bruh

[cloud dawn]

Feels REAL weird

[charred brook]

wait why

[cloud dawn]

No TC

[reef glade]

idk cuz no thunderclap

[charred brook]

i thought TC and rend are the same rage

oh

duh

[reef glade]

other points better ig

[cloud dawn]

Press it once forget about it

[reef glade]

i mean u can still spec into it just isnt on wowhead

so assuming its just worse

[eternal vortex]

Isnt TC rend baseline now

[reef glade]

or youre forced to take either stormbolt or intervene

to get to TC

-2 points

maybe reasonable tho u take shockwave in raid talents

forp athing ig

just drop something not valuable to get intervene i suppose

[woven wasp]

rend and tc are both 20 rage

[reef glade]

wait pain and gain is dogshit

yea but tc feels better to press at least

[woven wasp]

rend does ~double the damage

[reef glade]

than silly rend

wait it does

tf

eugh

[woven wasp]

50 vs 97 ap or smth

[reef glade]

43k dmg to hit rend vs 35k to hit tc just tooltip to tooltip

happens

ic pain and gain being dogshit doesnt matter when u have to path down to the strength and armor nodes

[steep delta]

Thunderclap spread doesn't apply rend initial damage? Just the bleed?

[woven wasp]

correct

[wind quiver]

tc has the minute benefit of not getting parried

[reef glade]

ya i would think just the bleed

so real

if i see a parried rend i alt f4

simple as

[eternal vortex]

so we dont take tom anymore in st?

[reef glade]

na

we hate tom

[dire hinge]

most spells had their rage cost reduced to 20, while MS is 30

[steep delta]

Everything is 20 except ms

Even ignore pain is 20

[thick kelp]

woah

Execute

still goes to 40

[dire hinge]

yeah, that one is sliding scale still

but with the reduced rage cost, it just sorta took the winds out of ToM

[wind quiver]

im not gay!!! im not gay!! fuck tom!!! fuck fuck!!!

[woven wasp]

iftk buffed too

[charred brook]

so are we taking whirlwind out of our rotation entirely

in ST

[cloud dawn]

Feels weird not to be drowning in rage anymore

[cloud dawn]

Yeah

[charred brook]

oh wow

im messing w the dummy and i find myself just like

slam spamming sometimes

feels very odd

[cloud dawn]

Slam is the way to go

[fair spade]

i dont even have slam in my spell book anymore

lol

[wind quiver]

AoE as well since cleave replaces it now

[charred brook]

yeah thats what i was just thinking

might aswell take if off our bars then

[woven wasp]

you can leave it on bars

itll auto swap to cleave if you talent it

[charred brook]

xd

[silk spade]

@smoky kayak arms doesn't take two handed weapon spec in aoe? wth

[steep delta]

I see it taken in the wowhead guide

Ah no I see it. Multi target tab

[smoky kayak]

uhh

[silk spade]

it's not in the raid build

i should have clarified

aoe raid build

[thick kelp]

sometimes your rotation will literally be ms slam slam slam ms

if yuo get no tact proc

[charred brook]

Ugh

[smoky kayak]

it does now!

[silk spade]

yay!!

[wind quiver]

were the buffs to armor implemented for the sims? armored to the teeth might be better now if not

[smoky kayak]

also how much MT you want in your "raid MT" is very flexible - if you don't need a 45s Roar (and tbf you probably don't outside of like... Council), put that point back into 2/2 Armored

[keen harbor]

Are we back to cooking on arms now?

[steep delta]

Is spear as a design meant to be solely PvP or are we hoping it is a multi target pve spell

Because it's failed for both

[fringe moon]

weird...running sims on ST and the old raid build with the addition of SKS is simming higher than the ravager/unhinged build

[wind quiver]

raid AoE build can drop a point higher up for 2h spec doesn't have to drop armored

[smoky kayak]

armored is worse than 2h spec

if you mean drop a point from T1 or T2, no it can't do that; you only get 11 points to spend in the third tier

[wind quiver]

I mean you can drop pain and gain for example etc

[steep delta]

Yeah drop pain and gain

[silk spade]

did you set the sim to latest

[smoky kayak]

oh oh, I see what happened, yeah the build got scuffed

[fringe moon]

yes

[smoky kayak]

It's cause the build was originally taking Warlords Torment

but then I decided the talent is mega dog shit without hero talents (and not very much better then) and took it out

[fringe moon]

running a ton of combination of sims, I'm getting BL/Fatality/SB instead of Ravager/Unhinged. Dropping 1 point in BB for EB is simming +0.4% higher too

[smoky kayak]

for Multitarget?

[fringe moon]

ST raid

[smoky kayak]

wasn't happening for me, but feel free to experiment - I do not intend to invest much more time into prepatch

[cloud dawn]

Any jugg build enjoyers? that still hot

[minor gust]

pretty sure Jugg M+ died with the first warlords torment nerf

[cloud dawn]

I loved using it in S3

[reef glade]

how high are you getting

like a number

[fringe moon]

457k

[reef glade]

ic

[fringe moon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6keHYaQDCtRTeqNJwNJMhU

[steep delta]

This blademasters torment change is ass bro where's my double BS

[paper summit]

god i hate seeing talent tree's with 1 point out of 2. It drives my OCD nuts. I cant do it 🙂

[hollow axle]

Fyrakk trinkets siming higher?

[reef glade]

[wind quiver]

arms can't execute like it used to unfortunately

[cloud dawn]

F

Probs my fav build

[fringe moon]

you?

[reef glade]

462k

[fringe moon]

which build are you running?

[reef glade]

but like if we missing over 50k from what was expected i think more stuff needs to be updated in raidbots

just wowhead i think didnt play around with other talents much

[dire hinge]

it works well with the Unhinged rework

[reef glade]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aSFdBiQUAJaY2tb66MUqqh

so the sim minigame will begin tomorrow

maybe

[dry frost]

Arms feels nutty in ST rn

Execute phase feels sad but besides that it plays aight

I like Ravager on Arms more than I thought I would

IFTK feels nice too

[fringe moon]

can you try running the BL/Fatality build instead of Ravager/Unhinged to compare?

[reef glade]

okey

[honest girder]

How is the execute phase played now? Obviously before it was exe x2 > op > ms or exe x3 > ms

[dry frost]

I mean its similar kinda, you just can juice execute as much

[smoky kayak]

something changed between PTR and live is why

I'm tryin to ID it

[reef glade]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5QoD1pz5HaTjHpUyvjwiZj

[dry frost]

It just feels rage starved and sometimes I am just waiting for the rage for execute

[smoky kayak]

I mean the number is arbitrary, it's just a number

[reef glade]

yea

[smoky kayak]

but all the stats and all the values are correct

so it has to be something internal

[dire hinge]

WoWhead has been updated 👍
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[dry frost]

I mean yeah wowhead explains it

[honest girder]

Thanks, I’ll tuck into that when I get home later

[smoky kayak]

just as an example between the two versions

[dry frost]

So basically outside of pressing CDs its just pressing MS and OP and Execute if you have the rage

Which you dont have much of rn

Especially without skyfury

[dire hinge]

rip old Warlords Torment

[reef glade]

lol

[wild heart]

my fury sim is also right at 501k

[dry frost]

fr

Though the rage in CS with IFTK and Ravager ticking is fun

[smoky kayak]

on which branch

[wind quiver]

yeah it sucks, execute felt so good in season 4. feel like they should just slap way more rage onto finishing blows to remedy the execute situation without flooding us with rage outside execute

[dry frost]

But outside of execute, as a whole, arms feels better than I thought it would

[wild heart]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2yXuRUDoq7dUqKDW5TLZWq

[dry frost]

I was dooming arms so hard coming into pre-patch/tww

[smoky kayak]

that's a 4m sim

[wild heart]

alr one sec

[dry frost]

Yeah that could be a solution, I am interested to see if blizz even cares to fix rage gen in execute or if they will be like "Thats just how it is now"

Who knows at this point

Maybe a dev or someone has said something about it but I havent seen any mentions of Rage gen in execute

[dire hinge]

time to start charge weaving again

[wind quiver]

could also tweak the amount of rage refunded from execute

[wild heart]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9ZTmnyvnTvEt8e7h6mRJwv

[dry frost]

Heroic throw/ Charge as filler incoming

[reef glade]

wtf is this 😭

guildy posted this

[woven wasp]

loss guy certified banger?

[smoky kayak]

that's fury lol

[wild heart]

i said that

i said fury was right at 501

[smoky kayak]

yeah we were focusin on arms though

[wild heart]

is there an update for arms tree?

cause my arms 5 min is currently running 450k

[smoky kayak]

scroll back up and read the conversation lol

[glossy olive]

wat talents for pevepe plz

[smoky kayak]

read the pins plz

[dry frost]

Overall my impression of Warrior Pre-patch is much better than I expected, especially on Arms. If anything Fury is a little more iffy than I expected especially with S3/S4 tier shenanigan's.

It makes sense why S3 tier is so strong on Fury, I personally am not a fan of it lol

[hollow axle]

How you guys ending up with 500k arms? Iam stuck at 480k

[reef glade]

no ones there yet

ur at 480?

da hell?

can u link

[hollow axle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sdyREzFhhrVCMERbMJaHER

[grand idol]

Tauren crit going hard?

[reef glade]

eh i mean weapon rune says dual wield so maybe thats buggy but yea thats weird

basically identical talents but im 20k behind

prepatch shenanigans

[hollow axle]

Cuz i was simming fury

i set at both hands

[reef glade]

yea

[smoky kayak]

ok there is a bug, and I think I found it

[grand idol]

All hail @smoky kayak

[reef glade]

🧎‍♂️

[hollow axle]

We getting more armor now aswell

[wild heart]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nXyty21dncnNtbS1FCtDvr

[hollow axle]

OCE simming lower for me...

Hmm versa OCE

[grand idol]

yea, gotta be a raidbots thing. I would guess with Tclap @reef glade I get +20k just swapping to that.

[reef glade]

[wild heart]

strength of arms and tclap gave me 30k

[reef glade]

well yea should be using soa i think baseline anyway

just tclap maybe still stuck in there or somethin

[hollow axle]

Maybe Tclap still 30 rage on sim

[thick kelp]

I recommend everyone here who wants to crank in prepatch to resim your crafted gear and gems

Arms heavily favours crit in prepatch

[hollow axle]

Yeah

Notticed that

OCE running away from haste

[smoky kayak]

@reef glade ok ok, figured it out - live branch of raidbots doesn't have my APL updates

[reef glade]

[smoky kayak]

idk why, I'm gonna go ask Seri now

[fringe moon]

sweet

[reef glade]

that include the random 12% buff after launch or just it'll go to the 510 something k

[fringe moon]

thanks arch for looking into this =). You are a blessing to all of us

[smoky kayak]

I didn't even think that might be the case, I kind of assumed it would just error out

then I started looking at the damage breakdowns and noticed a bunch of weird shit

[thick kelp]

Ravager dps loss cuz it wasnt using ravager

holy

[cloud dawn]

ST rotation in the BS build feels real gross, exhausted of rage

[smoky kayak]

started talkin to Arma to figure out wtf was going on and he realized it was pulling the old APL

cause its set to latest, but is missing changes from the last 16 hours or so

[silk spade]

OF tuning be like

[smoky kayak]

must have been because they froze builds for awhile, idk; I'll go sort it out now

[steel furnace]

why no resets

[honest girder]

So, skull splitter is to be used preferably after TR, is that the only time it’s used?

[steel furnace]

feels clunky

[reef glade]

ravager too stronk i think

tho maybe there places for it

[smoky kayak]

used on cooldown, but it should line up with TR naturally

[honest girder]

Thanks

[thick kelp]

how

[cloud dawn]

I literally have no idea

[smoky kayak]

beta branch is working (this is with the hotfixes)

[grand idol]

BIG

[wind quiver]

[compact geyser]

huge

[dire hinge]

[smoky kayak]

and that's not even fully optimized gear either

[thick kelp]

Crank some crit haste into that

[smoky kayak]

cause I'm a lazy raid logger and idc

[thick kelp]

570k broke

[smoky kayak]

you could probably push it up to ~575

I'm certain there's room for APL improvement too, but I just couldn't be assed to dedicate any more time to polishing 4 weeks of dead content

[cloud dawn]

Anyone seen the rare ring that drops for Ansurek, 5.2k crit

[fossil thistle]

How are people doing

Nymue 3min fight

[pseudo cipher]

how do we sim on the beta branch? or is this something that site needs to push to live

[cloud dawn]

@thick kelp

[smoky kayak]

explains why you were getting majorly different results

[smoky kayak]

Raidbots is working on it, should be fixed soon

shout out to @reef glade for noticing and inadvertantly helping identify the issue

[honest girder]

Pushing buttons?

[thick kelp]

unoptimized prepatch apl

[reef glade]

yep all me (idek what i did)

[smoky kayak]

you let me know when you noticed something wrong

[silk spade]

didn't give me a shout out for the talent earlier i'm jealous now!!!!!

[smoky kayak]

na, you're just making me look bad

[thick kelp]

also send me the sim i wanna tske a look

[fossil thistle]

I trying, idk if thats good. I haven't simmed yet, just hopped on and trying stuff

[latent moss]

INSTANT EXECUTE

DAMAGE

HOOOOLY

feels sooo good

[cloud dawn]

I cant be the only one that gets rage exhausted on ST rotation BS m+ build

[smoky kayak]

but yeah, it's a bug on Raidbots side, they're trying to rebuild now, but it's only pushing commits to their beta branch for some reason

once they unfuck it, everything should work correctly

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/why-friends-ross-geller-why-would-you-do-that-gif-4484708

[honest girder]

No trinkets changes right? I mean like tanks lost 30% on some. Arms is as we were in s4?

[reef glade]

yea p much

maybe augury is epic now who knows

[grand idol]

well, seems crit is the shit now. So anythign to do with crit or scaling from crit is the go to

[honest girder]

Interesting, with shorter fights maybe Aug is the play for the moment

[wheat whale]

that's good to hear for me im 58% crit rn xd

[grand idol]

but, Arch is squashing some bugs atm so that could be subject to change.

[reef glade]

[wheat whale]

im like 507 so my gear's wonky hahaha

[reef glade]

idk how u get 58% with 20 less ilvls

unless every single piece of gear is high crit

[wheat whale]

lemme log on and see

[latent moss]

wait how do u get

static charger

charge

[thick kelp]

wtf is static charge

[latent moss]

no more whirling surge

[reef glade]

that a mop remix thing?

[latent moss]

dragonriding

[reef glade]

oh

for using the gryphon from buying xpac

no clue how to use that ability tho

or is that just usable on every mount now

[latent moss]

this fucks

[reef glade]

uh... ya... that is indeed the wowhead arms build..

crazy whiplash

[thick kelp]

preorder gryphon you have to ride next to walls

to charge it up

[latent moss]

i just copied the one from beta sims

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230008337517514772/1255253788365688832/761040892970139649.gif

[thick kelp]

Play around with moving 1x deft to SB

since execute buffed

might push it to be above

[latent moss]

i think it should

i was seeing

1.7mil ms

at 513 ilvl

and 700k exe

[thick kelp]

Yeah might be worth to play SB

[latent moss]

details doesnt really work rn unfortunately but y

[thick kelp]

feelycraft it is better

[latent moss]

my rage bar doesnt work either

[thick kelp]

:xdx

[silk spade]

twintops?

[thick kelp]

Apparently if you download alpha version of details it will work on retail

from curseforge

[wheat whale]

i misremembered

[latent moss]

details is w/e

[reef glade]

51 is still insane

[wheat whale]

but 51% good enough

[reef glade]

for that ilvl

how

u gotta have critflask on

and like every crit trinket

[reef glade]

what is going on

[latent moss]

OCE on crit

and thats about it

[thick kelp]

Get more mastery

[latent moss]

haste mastery gems

[reef glade]

or wait...

[thick kelp]

Go crit mastery gems

Trust

[reef glade]

ok no nvm

yea

wait holy shit

[latent moss]

ye i will

[hexed saddle]

swordish moment

[reef glade]

look at how perfect

nah my crit has not changed

1 bit

[wheat whale]

i was 51% crit before pre-patch

[latent moss]

i had 50% crit before as well

[reef glade]

xan noober

[hexed saddle]

swordish moment

[thick kelp]

[reef glade]

[latent moss]

i dont have a second embellishment

[thick kelp]

[hexed saddle]

how is ur gear worse than mine

[latent moss]

i quit week 2

crafted bsl and quit

or was craft week 1

[thick kelp]

week1

[hexed saddle]

[latent moss]

xdd

nah

actually tweaking

[silk spade]

https://tenor.com/view/playing-violin-jhin-legends-of-runeterra-worldwalker-playing-fiddle-gif-25672866

[latent moss]

one crit masteryg em

[hexed saddle]

i think i quit week 4

[latent moss]

555 gold

[thick kelp]

nah nvm

dont re gem

:xdd

[latent moss]

i did

[thick kelp]

wtf

[wheat whale]

bro has less gold than 1 world quest

[thick kelp]

how much raw haste

[latent moss]

5.9k

7k crit no flask

1600m astery without bsl

5k vers

[thick kelp]

hm

Augury instead of pbox

and i think your stats rock

[latent moss]

hello guys im fury warrior 5413 mastery 4543 haste 9341 crit 1345 vers. but vers is a bit low

chatting

[latent moss]

496 will do right

xdd

[thick kelp]

surely xdd

[latent moss]

i will go pug lfr