arms

[copper summit]

Perfection is a must lol (while doing crappy dps)

[swift crown]

@sacred zodiac

thoughts on Windfury Totem removal

[sacred zodiac]

ok

[swift crown]

Rogues deserved it

that's my thought

[dire hinge]

Sick

[wild heart]

I am going to try a highroll build that consists of augury and nelths. Will report back.

[ebon mauve]

yo quick question.. I cant find much about min maxing dps stuff.. at what target count do i start cleaving instead of MS?

and wondering about blade storm.. the guide says to cast it after warbreaker... but im watching alot of arms wars and none use it on st encounters? is there a target number for that aswell?

[vital mulch]

Isn't there info about that in the Rotation Guide on wowhead?

This part.

[paper gulch]

Well augury is around ~6% of your damage. Its an okay combo but if you want a crit trinket with the biggest gain and want to be high roller with your crits, i feel whispering incarnate icon would be a better option.

Because your strength would consistently be 1000 higher.

[ebon mauve]

that doesn't answer my questions. ( says nothing about bladestorm) and those two points sorta contradict each other for cleave/MS... hence why I asked this also doesn't answer very much about when to press it.. cleave is only listed once.. which is if u have max 2 stack MP and 4+ targets AND sweeping strikes I dont see a single arms warrior within the top 15 that does this

Most of the things on this guide/roational thing is different than what people do in any form of PVE content lol

[wild heart]

Mine will be more

[paper gulch]

Can you be more specific? Are you talking about pure single target?

[vital mulch]

In the menu i only selected Cleave that's why there is no bladestorm. For the rest. I feel like reading it all gives one a good idea. If X amount do Y if X amount is +1 instead do Z etc

[paper gulch]

3 for cleave without SS. 5 for cleave with SS. If you are running merciless bonegrinder, its less targets because of the 50% bonus

[ebon mauve]

Im not sure what u are asking sorry? I asked a few differnt things lol... for blade storm yes.. I would like to know a target count for that... but for the other stuff the wowhead guide only hits on a couple specific instances for them not everything

[ebon mauve]

I selected bladestorm.. it litterly just says "bladestorm" lol Its also not listed as "If X amount do Y if X amount is +1 instead do Z" its very specific with little variance listed

[dire hinge]

Bladestorm is mostly used for its Hurricane window amplifying your other dps, but you use it alongside Warbreaker on packs who will live for a bit (or on fresh packs)

Yes, you do use it in single target, but you cast it before your other CDs instead of after, in order to maximize your burst

[paper gulch]

If you are using bladestorm you want to use it on cooldown. Preferably after warbreaker as we are not playing double hurricane this season.

[ebon mauve]

ok cool, thank you

the info be different from everyone... this is why I love community discord hahaha

I trust the man with role

[dire hinge]

Everything they’ve said is true too ♥️

[ebon mauve]

the rest Idk about... just funny conflict said something that conflicted with what u jsut said right after u said it lol

[paper gulch]

What did i say that conflicted?

[ebon mauve]

but it is good to know, thank you

[paper gulch]

Not all conditions are perfect. I said preferably. Things are situational as well. You have to remember that.

[dire hinge]

It’s understandable to get caught up in the “greater than/less than” + Sweeping Stikes (active or not) logic meatgrinder.

[paper gulch]

1000%

[ebon mauve]

preferably warbreaker/bladestorm/roar all line up together every time.. if u were to do as you said and use it on cooldowns/ preferably after warbreaker... that would go against what Hrothmar said about using it before to not line up with cooldowns... its all about the wording haha I get what u are saying and I do truely thank you It helps it make sense.. just different angles

[ebon mauve]

yea thats why I was a bit confused... the wowhead guide only lists like 1 or 2 situations when there are like 20

[dire hinge]

That’s the conditional of “single target or not”

[ebon mauve]

^

2 target would still be mash it after roar?

[dire hinge]

2 target just treat it like single target and cast Sweeping Strikes after you’re done casting your major CDs

To arms, it’s just Single Target as long as Sweeping is active and there’s 2 targets

[paper gulch]

I mean when youre on an opener and all your cooldowns are available, youre going to pop everything. Especially for example: the first room for tree boss in algethar academy. Thats a very very big pull and is combined with bloodlust.

There are times you have bladestorm, but not warbreaker. The 30% strength helps juggle this and compensate.

It all comes down to what dungeon youre in, what pack youre facing, if your tank is moving them. Its all a factor.

How the tank is pulling.

Etc. all variables

[ebon mauve]

everything ive seen so far looking through logs the only thing that is consistent is that roar/warbreaker/blade storm happen at the same time every single time.. except when bosses are involved

[paper gulch]

Which logs are you looking at?

[ebon mauve]

Ive just been going through liek the top 20 guys on rio

and looking at what they are doing

I get thats like 17-18s but its still a generaly similar

[paper gulch]

Logs are also relative to group capability and composition. At the end of the day my advice to you would be to read your abilities, and do your best. Wing it a little and study your damage meter and take note of what you did the most damage doing.

[dire hinge]

Bear in mind that unless you are doing a coordinated key with friends there’s gonna be more variance in your timings— the top 20 is not realistic for real play comparison

[ebon mauve]

for rotational things it can be.. obviously its a bit more perfect, but their route arent all that different than what mnost players do

[dire hinge]

Within those keys the the tank is specifically pulling around everyone’s cooldowns

[ebon mauve]

unless ur talking like BH where they do it in like 4 pulls lmao

[dire hinge]

That’s not gonna happen in most keys

[ebon mauve]

tanks should pull around cooldowns above like an 8 lol

[copper summit]

question: if i have all tyran keys 13's and fort 15's if i time a 13 to a 14 anyone know how much points i get? around 5 right?

[dire hinge]

I wish that sentiment was accurate, but it’s not 😦

[ebon mauve]

I get ya lol

Ive looked at logs and what not enough that I know what im looking at.. I promiss im watching comp/pulls and what not... even if it is a bit different there is still alot to learn

[dire hinge]

I believe there’s a calculator online somewhere for this, but I cannot find it on mobile atm

[copper summit]

https://mythicplanner.com/ this one?

[dire hinge]

Similar to that, but not that one specifically

That one gives you suggestions on what dungeon to run for a specific score goal, you’re looking for the opposite

[copper summit]

ah kk.

[sullen zealot]

Hi, sorry if this is not an appropiate question for here, but is there an estimate of the difference in overall damage between a 525 crafted and the fully upgraded legendary? When i do gear compare it says it's around 6% but everyone around me insists it should be closer to 20% and i just don't know

[paper gulch]

12% is my guess

[sacred zodiac]

6% sounds abt right

link the gear compare perhaps?

[sullen zealot]

It was a while ago, let me find it

[paper gulch]

He said 525 weapon to 535 legendary.

[copper summit]

im 8 i.o short for being top 10 warrior on my server which makes me very happy

[sullen zealot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/af8X9yG8rhKYQUq3TQ4Nam

sorry forgot to mention its for aoe cause m+

i only do hc raid so i dont sim for st almost ever

[sacred zodiac]

the t2 sophic enchant goes really really hard

[dire hinge]

Fwiw simming for AoE is a bit of an imperfect science, so I wouldn’t sweat the %diff because the sim itself is kinda hard to fully trust

[dire hinge]

Understandable, but simming for ST is the most trustworthy for simming

[paper gulch]

How why do you have it set to 5 boss targets? Set it to 1?

[dire hinge]

You can kind of extrapolate it’s impact in AoE from there

[sullen zealot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aDnk2EM2dj79pbwDzjnR5b here's a st sim, with updated gear upgrades

[paper gulch]

Change your spec to ST.

[dire hinge]

It’s a thing folks do for AoE sims sometimes, like an alternative version of DungeonSlice

[sullen zealot]

im not running st spec in any meaningful content

[dire hinge]

The big thing I’d focus on is that the Lego will definitely be better for you, if you can get it.

If you want to drop that much gold before the new expansion in less than two months.

Otherwise: don’t sweat it

[sullen zealot]

it's more the fact that it wont drop

14 sark kills with my evoker before i dropped it and now 7 on arms and counting 😦

[sacred zodiac]

you're also comparing a weapon with an embellishment to the legendary

[paper gulch]

I got mine at 12.

[dire hinge]

If you wont get it then doubly don’t sweat it 😎

[sullen zealot]

so just wanted to know realistically how far behind i am

[sacred zodiac]

legendary should gain a bit more if you craft a bracer with embellishment or smth

[dire hinge]

At that point, I’d worry more about comparing crafted vs purchasing a weapon from the bullion Vendor (Ashkandur)

[sacred zodiac]

either way you should probably not be using a weapon embel

[dire hinge]

+1

[paper gulch]

+1

[sullen zealot]

oh yea my embellishments are wrong but my guildies basically believe i shouldn't do 15s til i get my lego which kinda sucks

[dire hinge]

Bah humbug.

[sullen zealot]

so i wanted to know realistically how much of it is perception vs reality

[sacred zodiac]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9hwTKx1pRT5LPXAw3WSz8V

still ~6%

[paper gulch]

Do the comparison without an embellishment. Then also compare ashkandur. Embellishments can be relocated and if youre 522 theres plenty of upgrades you can still get

[dire hinge]

That’s 6% of one person’s DPS. Unless you’re missing keys by a minuscule amount it’s not the culprit behind not timing 15s

[paper gulch]

Oh okay.

You can also use the droptimizer to see what a 528 ashkandur would do as well.

[sacred zodiac]

should have enough bullions to just buy whatever at this point no

esp if you played both dungeon events

[paper gulch]

Word unless u bought the mount and shit.

[sullen zealot]

ive got vault rings waiting for lego cause fire procs, then i got 2 banked for lego and i just got another spare for maybe ashkandur today

thing is i bought tank gear

[paper gulch]

Ah there we go. A real warrior plays all specs. 👏

😊

[sacred zodiac]

no shot the eranog ring doesnt already sim higher w/ helm enchant

[paper gulch]

Depends on the item level. Mine didnt sim higher until i upgraded to 532.

I had a 525 crafted ring with a socket and it still won. Now i gotta socket this if i dont get shoulders or gloves tomorrow.

[paper gulch]

Whoops you said eranog, my bad.

Yeah

[copper summit]

wooo i did it

[dire hinge]

grats!

[copper summit]

3226i.o

tyty

[warm bronze]

How long do you guys think Fy'ralath will last into TWW?

[zealous pivot]

pug AV route

[eternal vortex]

Most typical pug route

[swift crown]

level 76 give or take

Just for the stats

Probably at 76 you see a pretty sizable gain from equipping a rando questing green even

[quasi torrent]

seven(tysix)

[swift crown]

🎰

[grand idol]

Its certainly no gavel. but i imagine theyll turn it off anyways. Would be quite trol lto have an item available thats swappable in combat to nullify a movement effect.

Quite niche with the cd from swapping but if its good its good.

[slender sonnet]

Does arms have ravager in tww

It does

Oh hell yeah

[misty yew]

anyone got that puzzle box wa that bleeps when it's active after the cast?

[strange perch]

Yeah

@boreal quartz @fresh spire @slender sonnet do you think playing unhinged instead of hurricane with the new tierset could be better i feel like it could be kind of good i am not going to lie.

[slender sonnet]

I don’t know why you’re asking me I’m a fucking idiot

[strange perch]

I always ask you

[slender sonnet]

I just play whatever build @dull siren tell me to

And hit all my buttons as hard as I can

[latent moss]

what do u mean new tierset

oh this is a live question

dead gmae

[fresh spire]

Can't wait to play ravager unhinged on live when preparing comes

Prepatcg

[dull siren]

ping

[slender sonnet]

Yes

What build do I play

[dull siren]

w/e u want it's ur game time

[swift crown]

SMF dual wield Gholak and Forgestorm

[fresh spire]

Wake up pookie

[fresh spire]

Ping ping ping

[dull siren]

[boreal quartz]

Think so ye

[strange perch]

damn fanks

[latent hull]

[dull siren]

[latent hull]

[boreal quartz]

[slender sonnet]

[gray herald]

[woven wasp]

[reef glade]

[obtuse copper]

[latent hull]

[swift crown]

[boreal quartz]

[latent hull]

[compact geyser]

[minor gust]

[finite mantle]

[calm hollow]

[boreal quartz]

[latent hull]

[opal folio]

[reef glade]

[olive nest]

[wintry scroll]

[finite mantle]

[fresh spire]

[woven wasp]

[gaunt owl]

[latent hull]

[boreal quartz]

[marsh axle]

[quasi torrent]

[dawn stag]

[sacred zodiac]

[strange perch]

hi sorry noob question but is hurricane really that much better than unhinged i feel like with the new tierset it's kind of good 😅

[quasi torrent]

hurricane good
unhinged no good

[gaunt owl]

you broke the streak

wtf is wrong with you

[strange perch]

yes sir!

[dawn stag]

Death

[daring flicker]

[compact geyser]

look what u have done? do u feel good about yourself now sir. this is why we cant have anything nice #streakkiller

[strange perch]

hello robocleave how are you doing? how was your day?

[compact geyser]

[strange perch]

i am not sure what this means sorry 😅

i personally woke up at 9 am and did some cleaning then i played some videogames and went grocery shopping it was kind of fun i got a great deal on some chicken!

now that i am home i might play some videogames again but we will see!

[quasi torrent]

[strange perch]

[latent hull]

Why would you break the streak

Now u have to be a part of it

Go again

[strange perch]

sorry for breaking the streak

[reef glade]

breaking da streak with like the 8th time asking the same question and answered every time

Unhinged doodoo dog meat

period

pvp talent maybe nothing more

[latent hull]

Ye play hurricane

[reef glade]

[rain obsidian]

[boreal quartz]

[zealous pivot]

[gaunt owl]

[dawn stag]

[dire hinge]

I’ll break the streak to say thank you for sharing this with us, I love hearing warriors taking care of themselves and being nice to one another 💛

And I’d do it again!

[strange perch]

Thank you i appreciate it

[latent moss]

[latent hull]

You broke the streak man

U gotta continue the streak

[opal folio]

[vernal pilot]

.

[latent hull]

Bro

[obtuse copper]

[latent hull]

[gaunt owl]

[thorny ibex]

Hey what trinkets should I get from bullion vendor if I don't get puzzle box out of vault?

[thick kelp]

[compact geyser]

you should get the "dont break the streak trinket"

jk. get anvil

[woven wasp]

if youre raiding in an organized guild get ominous essence
signet brand/anvil work for fights past 4 minutes
augury of the primal flame is also alright

[tender pecan]

[wary raft]

[daring flicker]

[quasi torrent]

[olive nest]

[left aurora]

[reef glade]

[latent hull]

[hexed saddle]

[opal folio]

[astral yarrow]

[pure otter]

[copper summit]

only 4 i.o for that

[reef glade]

wtf

[compact geyser]

almost makes it not worth it

[livid cloak]

augury sim 1 point higher than puzzle box

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uZ391c65izSsnwTAxTUJYQ

[gray steeple]

Simming trinkets for dungeon slice aren't always that reliable.

[reef glade]

yea dslice I think is a boss fight for like 2 min then varying size of packs for varying amounts of time, not sure if it’s the same variations every time

but like if pbox lines up on not a big pack of mobs it won’t be as good, but as always pbox just nicer on demand burst for bigger packs if u want it, or augury just consistentish damage throughout the dungeon

not any like wrong way to go about it in reasonable key level ranges just what you prefer

also

[compact geyser]

can someone link the OCE sim string plz

[dire hinge]

dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=bronze
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/emerald/obsidian/ruby

copy=Emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/obsidian/ruby

copy=Obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/ruby

copy=Azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=bronze/emerald/obsidian/ruby

copy=Ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/obsidian```

[charred brook]

what would be the BEST trinket for sub 5 min fights?

i have basically choice of anything right now

i always go signet over 5 mins

usually i go puzzle box, but i could buy an augury

[copper summit]

honestly ive been rocking OCE, box raid and m+

but my guild doesnt go past 4 mythic bosses

[charred brook]

i pretty much dont use signet until last 2/3 bosses

cause of fight times

afer that 5 min mark its giga

like on rasz

[copper summit]

in m+ i saw someone pull this anyone know how he did i thought if u get in combat it doesnt let u fly anymore

it was a pally tank btw

[reef glade]

maybe just like threw a shield and leapt b4 it put him in combat

[woeful glacier]

what talents are we running in beta

[devout pewter]

check the beta channels for that. I think the fury-tww post has a pin for them (no idea why only fury has that)

also want to check something... Is cleave affected by sweeping? I think I've read that here before but I'm increasingly unsure

[reef glade]

dont think anything about it would be affected

only thing maybe that mightve been similar convo is fob slams cast by ww can sweep

[devout pewter]

yeah that I know for certain. But for some reason I think I've seen people here talk about using cleave during sweeping strikes because it works.

I probably just misread something and it stuck like that lol Been even doing that during a couple runs

[reef glade]

🤷‍♂️

[dire hinge]

no it's not affected by sweeping, but Overpower's Dreadnaught is.
And you want to prioritize Cleave once you have 2x stacks of Martial Prowess (via Overpower)

[devout pewter]

maybe that combination of info made me misread something and I thought sweeping affects cleave 😄 Sounds like it at least

Thank you for clearing that up

[dire hinge]

sure thing!

[tardy hare]

He body pulls and runs back to the wind before getting hit

[copper summit]

can u do it with the lashers?

[devout pewter]

body pull usually puts you in fight, doesn't it? was likely what someone else said: misdirect or the shield mid air, jumped into the wind and the mobs get ported over

[reef glade]

opening cs on rashok parried

haha

yeah

funny game

keep parry in btw

thank god the tank died to tank mech twice in a row

[quasi torrent]

Its about not getting hit

You may have to walk around the jump pad to jump from below, but that i am unsure about

[grand idol]

I think that in theory its reasonable to think someone could be parried. But I agree with you. Most of the time we aren't even attacking something capable of parrying our attacks, they are giant bosses and we're attacking their foot or whatever.

[dire hinge]

Im not great at tanking but i had some downtime and tried to no-hit thing (note that im out of combat until i taunt a lasher) and i just fall through

[grand idol]

you might be able to fit in a leap after throw taht just barely connects with the wind before combat. maybe

Throw is pretty quick though

[sullen zealot]

maybe velf?

[grand idol]

Taht would work for sure. it has a distance limit but thats well within it

[dire hinge]

i know our guardian druid was doin it somehow, dunno tho

#protection might know more

[grand idol]

Anyone that can heal and meld can drop/get into combat at will

So they could be flying and ehal

[quasi torrent]

Do not believe it works there

lore is going from the side to below the current

and obv this one doesn't have that

[dire hinge]

gocha, i know some of those words but i'll have to look up a video for it i think

spiffy it exists

[reef glade]

did good on one boss

cool

forbidden experiments except the bosses are off eachother for 15 seconds during lust

gatekept from fun

[copper summit]

I just did the wind add+ elements I was in combat (didn’t get hit) and flew back and it snapped. Someone said a evoker can go to the birds and pull them to the elemental and I saw a video from a warrior pull the lashers

[boreal quartz]

Gromnak Clip

[reef glade]

real

[slender sonnet]

Real

[cloud lagoon]

What is the best method to find crafters for items?

Nobody is replying in the past 3 days

On the trade chat

[boreal quartz]

Dont be alliance in trade for a Horde Server

Log on an alt and grab ur guy from there

[latent hull]

[strange perch]

Gratz on the beta changes guys

[quasi torrent]

[dull siren]

@daring heron Holy Paladin is our new best friend in AoE in TWW

[daring heron]

how come

is it a lightsmith thing

[boreal quartz]

🍃

[daring heron]

#1230008337517514772

oh right leaves for autumn

[coral marsh]

(Raid DPS) I see people running Manic as their trinket should i also switch to that i right now is running Anvil and Cata. But on the picture i show what other trinkets i have could someone assist me? ^^

[sacred zodiac]

oce signet simmed highest for me but it depends on what content you're doing exactly

if you never do mythic final bosses and you have constant croakers oce + grief is probably fine

[slender sonnet]

Popcorn weed

[boreal quartz]

Oce torch for boost

Brand anvil for like 2 bosses

Box oce always good

Oce always always good

[robust raven]

guys if i dont have lego Ashkandur is bis, right?

[slender sonnet]

Ye

[sacred zodiac]

do u have a sim i legit could not get anvil to be simming better than oce

[warped spade]

This, people who use torch do it for fun and/or are boosting and it gets multiple extra resets

[boreal quartz]

Ye i dont have one so nah

I just see gajeel enjoying it so it's not turbo ass ig

[olive nest]

[sacred zodiac]

gajeel very powerful

[latent moss]

most powerful

[slow saddle]

i mean try to sim razageth

its a what 8 min fighrt

its those sims where anvil wins for me

[lone imp]

More like, 8 minute encounter

[dire hinge]

finally checked vault

OCE with da speeed

[olive nest]

Fast af boi

[boreal quartz]

it has pad so id prefer stats

[slow saddle]

Id prefer boss dmg😅, but parse wise prob correct

[boreal quartz]

i slammed boss with oce pip

but id rather oce brand ngl

[latent hull]

[lone imp]

raz has shield your damage trinkets can high roll on tho too

[reef glade]

yea and your fatal mark too…

that could do 12million damage but your raid didn’t push low enough so instead of 12 million it did 40k…

[olive nest]

[snow herald]

real question to arms main. why arms over fury? im a prot main who plays fury as offspec, but due to old injuries worsening, im thinking of going arms instead of fury as offspec. how does arms play in m+? is it smooth gameplay?

[copper summit]

everything depends on ur tank i would say

no big groups = less dmg

[olive nest]

Do you like to be considered a badass intellectual or a shit thrower?

@gaunt owl

[copper summit]

aff and incorp coming back in few weeks .. time not get invited to keys 😦

[obsidian topaz]

I played fury all of SL and all of S3, now I'm arms for M+ and raid

I just do more damage, fury was fast before but not I just dont enjoy the playstyle

[reef glade]

it’s enjoyable being way more powerful on super uncapped shit but I think arms a little more bloated in aoe

Where fury is exact same on st just including 1 button, arms adds like 1 more button on top of every other button you already have to/want to hit

and just spamming the shit out of like all of em

[snow herald]

so arms is higher apm than fury?

[obsidian topaz]

no

[reef glade]

eh I mean fury I think has a tad bit more haste

but it’s similar enough

[obsidian topaz]

Fury is all gas no brakes

[reef glade]

Arms just has like more different buttons I think compared to fury

[obsidian topaz]

they are similar

fury you have to WW every 4 globals, youve got RB and ramp as your main but you also have to track tier to hit BT at the right time, youve also got onslaught too

arms is just TC, OP, WW + Cleave / Slam

also fury youre like always in CDs, always or almost always having reck up is just wild because you are always just overflowing with rage and haste its really hectic

I loved last season fury but every time I go back and try it I do worse

[snow herald]

this. hectic af and with my busted wrist, i legit start cramping up quick playing fury

[obsidian topaz]

I always play with a hunter and im usually close or 20-50k above in overall. I try fury in keys will smaller pulls like HoI or Uld and im 100k under

I used to hate on arms hard on how slow and boring it was

but I dont find it boring at all I'm having a blast. Roar and bladestorm are super fun, OP cleaving is great

[snow herald]

damn nice. gonna give it a go then.

[obsidian topaz]

and I've got good defensives between def stance, ignore pain, spell reflect, victory rush, rally cry and die by sword

[olive nest]

Enjoy it while you can

[copper summit]

die by the sword is the best thing in the world.. having that while in crap like the 1st set of adds stun in nok and ulda u can stand in and u take no dmg and no stun

[gaunt owl]

i am a professional shit thrower

the only monkey you dont wanna be with

and you cant stop me anyway

[dire hinge]

And soon intervene can be picked up easier ✨

[frigid lava]

I miss the wotlk era mobility

charge, intercept, intervene

and leap

did we have leap in wotlk?

[dire hinge]

Idk, but I’m gonna miss blink when remix ends too

Sprinting around at mount speed

[frigid lava]

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=6544/heroic-leap

2 sec stun bro... damn

[proud lintel]

Lisan Al'gethar

[west wasp]

would someone assist me in simming my character please, if you have the time at least i would be thankful

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

[latent hull]

[gaunt owl]

[dire hinge]

We can help answer questions about simming, but it’s best if you perform the sims yourself in the long run.

What are you trying to sim for currently?

[dire hinge]

Finally, an appropriately sized 2H
https://www.wowhead.com/news/15-meter-lightforged-gorehowl-statue-revealed-by-blizzard-china-344181

[charred brook]

Finally, now make another so we can go fury

[gaunt owl]

after all that happend they double down on public stunt 😄

[reef glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1222311327830114315/1247673491738726470/girl.mp4?ex=66871d7d&is=6685cbfd&hm=aab5d79299ebef6b693870df714ab1b06d8cf641b0ca9cd7b44b31ca4ea5c801&

goes hard

[prisma heart]

AU draenor army of the light garrosh confirmed

[west wasp]

mostly damage with high haste and critical strike

while keeping most of my mastery

and it is single target

[dire hinge]

I wouldn’t worry about chasing after specific secondaries, you’ll want to instead focus on using TopGear to look at your “gear” itself, and let the sims determine which is best for you

[west wasp]

Ok

[dire hinge]

Do you have the addon named SimulationCraft installed?

[celest delta]

i'm evoker don't ban me

[west wasp]

i do

[celest delta]

you do

hm

[dire hinge]

You’ll want to type “/SimC” in game chat, then copy the text that appears into the TopGear page you linked.

You can select different gear options from there, gems, enchants, etc, and run the simulation.

It might take multiple sims, but we can help answer specific questions or offer guidance if needed

[dire hinge]

Need more avoidance 📈

[west wasp]

ok i will do so thank Hrothmar

[dire hinge]

Sure thing!

[celest delta]

wut ?

[steel furnace]

I've seen 0 avoidance pieces in my vault this season

[celest delta]

i'm new to the game btw

[dire hinge]

No worries there, the running joke is that evokers eventually start stacking avoidance once they max out

[west wasp]

I had just simmed my trinkets and it had capped out to 407k but the catalysmic signet brand confuses me since you need to proc in to max for it to be good

[dire hinge]

My colleague has something like 20% atm, but has seen others with more

[west wasp]

the anvil is fine since i used it with the chromatic essence

[celest delta]

rate my evoker please @dire hinge

[dire hinge]

Correct, Signet Brand takes about 4-5 min to build up over time before it deals damage, just like Anvil. Neither trinket is recommended for short fights because of this time requirement

[dire hinge]

Thumbs up from me, looks like Sarkareth

[celest delta]

exactly, it's Sarkareth

your good

[dire hinge]

🥰

[west wasp]

But i do a have the augury and oce maxed out so i would stick with those right?

[celest delta]

but, is it good ?

like, my equiment etc..

[dire hinge]

This is a perfect question for Sims.
Down at the bottom of the page, you can adjust the Fight Length to be shorter.

If you’re participating in boss fights that only last about 2-3 min, you can adjust the sim to see what would be best for that length

[sacred zodiac]

@dire hinge can you rate my warrior

[dire hinge]

Unfortunately, I know nothing about Evoker gear, but it has big ilvl and looks like Sarkareth, so you must have enjoyed it in some capacity enough to max it out— and as long as you’re having fun that’s all that matters

[dire hinge]

Always 😎

[sacred zodiac]

[dire hinge]

Ah, is this the warrior you want me to review

[celest delta]

i really need that "Nasz'uro"

[dire hinge]

13/10 no notes

[sacred zodiac]

ty king

[dire hinge]

You can have all of my Lego drop luck this week!

[celest delta]

what is your ilvl ?

just curious

[dire hinge]

529 atm. I have never seen a Myth chest drop and once I get that I’m done for the expansion

[celest delta]

damn

what key's you do ?

[dire hinge]

Sims are at something like 443k or something

[dire hinge]

Oh I don’t. I’ve been on break this season while I focus on some IRL things

Mostly raid logging and helping others

[celest delta]

damn

can't do +12 :/

i'm stuck at +11

[dire hinge]

Just keep at it, you’ll get there!

[west wasp]

for a 6 minute fight it says 411k

[celest delta]

i hope :/

[west wasp]

with augury doing 8 million total

[celest delta]

maybe i"m to bad x)

anyway's good night's 🙂

[dire hinge]

I wouldn’t look at Augury’s direct damage because the trinket also doesn’t have Mainstat (Strength) on it, meaning it indirectly lowers the dps of your other abilities as well.

It’s best to look at the overall sim outcome (at least for single target sims)

[grand idol]

I bought augury to give it a shot see how often it rng'ed in my favor

it did, once.

Most of the time it was lower than expected (sim) I assume cause of procs going unused due to mechanics happening.

Gonna buy brand and cloak for the sim funsies i think.

[glossy olive]

A good ignore pain WA that still works?

[boreal quartz]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=ignore+pain+weakaura @glossy olive

[wary raft]

LOL

[glossy olive]

I got https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker but it's not working can't find another

sorry wrong link

[boreal quartz]

unironically google is better for finding WAs than wago's search bar

[glossy olive]

https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker

[boreal quartz]

i dont track my ip in any wild way just a turbo standard %tooltip1 text on it

@teal fossil look how based this is

[glossy olive]

started pvp das why

[teal fossil]

holy moly

time for me to return to this game

[boreal quartz]

https://wago.io/mWTzNaUe6 @teal fossil

[boreal quartz]

adds no relevant info ngl

just press it and then send dam again

the absorb amount will generally not impact ur decision to extend it or not imo

[glossy olive]

I forget at time and at times I don't forget but I don't wanna use it

times*

So it's not a 100% upkeep time of thing

[boreal quartz]

i mean does forgetting mean you didnt see the aborb amount

or the icon in general

[mighty swallow]

Quick question about fatality fellas, can it be buffed by avatar and CS or do I just let it happen?

[woven wasp]

only by test of might

[paper gulch]

Just let it happen. Dont pull out

[sacred zodiac]

fatality is only affected by test of might ye it might be worth to delay one or two executes if the boss is literally about to hit 30% before your tom is up

holding on for longer is probably trolling though

[mighty swallow]

Cheers lads! That's helpful

[slow saddle]

how can it not be so that if its parried we can send it again ?:D ( only cs ofc )

[latent moss]

we found the magic number in s3

by how much u should delay until it becomes a loss

forgor tho

(good)

(fuck fatality)

(fuck tom)

[quasi torrent]

its 7

[latent moss]

indeed

[sour grove]

what's a good trinket to buy aside OCE until puzzle box?

[jade cargo]

that channel became shit without me i see

@daring heronsince when @halcyon breach is SF

[daring heron]

since the fame got to his head

[jade cargo]

hes to young for fame

[jade cargo]

i cant come here and not ping @crimson charm

hey do

[somber lance]

you guys run cloak for basically all mythic encounters?

[boreal quartz]

ye

dont have any other cloak anyways

[somber lance]

have too many bullions

[woven wasp]

its like 50k health or something so just dont drop to 1%

[crimson charm]

Someone pinging me

Sounds like a permaban

[dire hinge]

I’ve got bad news

[dire hinge]

Time for mogs

[latent moss]

how many bullions

do we have

atm

i only used 1 for leggo

(i quit week 2)

[dire hinge]

So there has been multiple weeks where you got an extra one for doing the weekly quest by the fountain atop the normal catch-up ones

And I don’t think those count towards catch-up

But at least 6 or 8?

It’ll be however many weeks since the season started

[somber lance]

at least 8

we had 4 free bullions from quests

[latent moss]

is that items

or bullions

cause its 2 per item

RATE MORTAL STRIKE

(im 512)

[latent hull]

1k ms

[somber lance]

it's bullions

[latent hull]

Did u hit a 99% reduce

[latent hull]

You mean dinars

[latent moss]

amal chamber

[somber lance]

i've bought 2 rings, OCE and cloak and have 2 leftover and missed a couple raid weeks

so it's a lot

[latent moss]

ye i just came back

doing raid

lfr for bullions

[silk spade]

me playing arms

[vocal solar]

hey fellas, anyone remembers what were the recommended embelishment for m+ in season 2? 😄

would appreciate if someone who does tagged me ❤️

[runic urchin]

i’d bet it was BSL

[hazy flower]

x2 sf

iirc

lariat was decent in aoe but because it was nerfed most people ran x2 sf

[vocal solar]

thats what they told me, but isnt sf rly st oriented? i was thinking BSL, wrist or lariat

even legs maybe

:/

[sacred zodiac]

are you asking about season 2 or season 4

[vocal solar]

s2

[sacred zodiac]

ye you just played double shadowflame iirc

[vocal solar]

ic, ty ❤️

[strange perch]

@hazy flower

[latent moss]

@hazy flower

[hazy flower]

what

what

[hazy flower]

yes but it performed strong and also m+ has st/prio in it too

[vocal solar]

ok ic thankss

[vocal solar]

what about legs? since haste is our best 2ndary weird no one mentions

[calm hare]

Is puzzlebox and oce decent trinkets for m+? what should I use for st? got cataclysmic and augury aswell but I heard augury isnt as good for arms as it is for fury

[somber lance]

i use box and oce regardless of weeks

cata relies on chain pulling to maximize your stack uptime so it's not reliable

[calm hare]

how about for raid fights?

[frigid lava]

I'm enjoying augury

I love crits!

[hazy flower]

legs are shit in st

[sacred zodiac]

why are you asking about s2 in s4 tho im curious

[vocal solar]

im trying a pserver with friends for fun

till tww

[boreal quartz]

prolly dont wanna talk abt that too much since most community discords follow blizz TOS n shit

[boreal remnant]

tmy helped me get this sim but gg

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hCjSj2qSuQG5VYiPUFTeKQ

[dull siren]

[boreal remnant]

[boreal quartz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8xpdJFaYbFM9XRySJWZEzc

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1077655483344764978/1249290498791702558/togif-4.gif

[boreal remnant]

[teal fossil]

101%

[boreal quartz]

105%

[boreal quartz]

stop leakin

[quasi torrent]

U have less?

flame ur healers

ur augs aren't TGing and Warding u on cd?

Shit guild

[wheat whale]

can you pre-pot a combat potion still or is that an old mechanic im remembering

like a haste pot pre combat allowing you to pop a 2nd in combat

[dire hinge]

It’s been dead for a while now, sometime in Shadowlands I believe.

[wheat whale]

🫡 thank you I couldn't remember if it was something I should utilize

[dire hinge]

Potions no longer reset when you enter boss combat, so you shouldn’t pre-pot in raid.

It does still exist in M+ (optional), since potions do reset when a key begins and you get a handful of seconds where the pre-pot is still active.

[wheat whale]

I see!

[dire hinge]

Sure thing! Happy to help

[latent moss]

wtf what am i doing there

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1077655483344764978/1249290498791702558/togif-4.gif

[tribal garnet]

Is the PvP Stat priority for Arms RN really Vers > Crit > Haste > Mastery?

Asking another way for any helpful warriors, Is there a vers target you have or haste cap you're looking to get rn? Is Crit before haste, also? Thanks in advance

[olive nest]

probaly ask in #pvp also check murlok io

[tribal garnet]

Thank you, I'll do that

[reef glade]

not sure how you sim so high.. as your gear isnt much diff from mine, also... your mythic logs.. was this boosted or did you play?

[dire hinge]

look a few messages below the post

[cold vigil]

so on icyveins it says chromatic essence is bis with signet, but when i sim anvil is bis. chromatic even drops my dps with like 4k

or do i have to set it's alignment

[reef glade]

do u have all buffs selected and have you tried multiple different stats

Idk what default is but typically arms would pick either crit or haste

sometimes obsidian all stats

[cold vigil]

how do i set the stat on chromatic

ah i see it

well its set to crit

this is the end result

trying with all options it still sims lower

like at least 2k lower

[reef glade]

I’d say haste worth a shot if u haven’t already but I mean yea it’s not impossible anvil is better if u sim 5 minutes

Both they and brand are like “build up” trinks that do better the longer a fight last

Semi decent amount of ppl are also using both

[boreal quartz]

Link sim pls

That seems criminally low

[cold vigil]

here?

[boreal quartz]

Ye

I wanna see why it's 350k

Not 430++

[cold vigil]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

or do i paste the simc?

[boreal quartz]

Paste the link you get at the end

[cold vigil]

where?

?

this?

[reef glade]

The screen this image came from

The link to that

when u finish the sim

[cold vigil]

ah

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oWBF5LFsanhjK4UNrKfzXZ

[reef glade]

m+ build would indeed make sense

[boreal quartz]

Yep

[cinder ocean]

Typically don’t run that talent build and anvil

[reef glade]

or signet either…

rather anvil over signet

[boreal quartz]

But that's one of the cases where ur checking out raid trinkets for longer fights in m+ Loadout

So for keys both are technically simbait

[reef glade]

yea I mean if your intent is to sim trinkets for m+ of the 3 you have shown id probably go with anvil and oce, signet is just a harder to keep up anvil that drops a lot faster out of combat if since u can’t extend with the on use

but if u have other trinkets that’d prolly be better in m+ like… any of the top 5 that aren’t dependent on staying in combat to replace anvil with that’d be big pog

Simming for raid fights tho u ideally go full raid talents and then make the decision between trinkets

[boreal quartz]

(stat trinkets will sim better like that cuz raw dam looks better with worse builds)

[reef glade]

[cold vigil]

woops. should have done st yeah. but i mean even on ST it sims 2k lower

[reef glade]

The one u linked it was set to verse which u also wouldn’t use, so idk if it still is for this one but if haste isn’t working out for u then yea just swag out with the double dam trinks ig

[cold vigil]

and where can i see bis trinkets for m+

[cold vigil]

i switched it back to crit

[reef glade]

it’s harder to see what’s “bis” in m+ cuz lots of trinks do lots of diff things in situations but generally u can look at what the top ppl of a class run in their keys for an idea

arms typically puzzlebox/oce or some other passive

[cold vigil]

the centaur one?

[reef glade]

but like an ashes is a pretty ok or possibly equalish puzzle box alternative to Bullion

puzzle is from algethar

Centaur hooves is decent too yeah

but I think that’s just like a slightly worse version of an augury u could get

[cold vigil]

but why does this still sim lower (with crit setting)

[reef glade]

if u just have a lot of crit it might not be worth getting more stuff like that happens

i at least have a ton of crit which is why I’m like always running haste

cuz can always use more

[cold vigil]

i mean im not over the cap

[reef glade]

yea there aren’t really “caps” just kinda what sim robot says

For instance I have I think around 40-45% of crit and haste

[reef glade]

somewhere around there

[cold vigil]

i mean im not getting penalty

[reef glade]

Yea I mean I think u eventually get some penalty naturally

but it’s not rly anything u ever have to think about

[cold vigil]

with the oce maybe

if i use oce with haste it sims 1k higher

[boreal quartz]

41% crit no flask is wild

[cold vigil]

shouldnt we use the vers flask anyway?

[cold vigil]

so i guess i should get the oce for both mythic and raid and set it to haste

[reef glade]

ya i just swapped your oce to haste

and its 2k better

[cold vigil]

lol whaat i get 1k lower

[reef glade]

link yours?

i try compare

[cold vigil]

swap anvil for oce haste right?

[reef glade]

weirdge

[cold vigil]

thats what i did

[reef glade]

yea idk i just clicked on st and changed trink

[boreal quartz]

This is how my guy looks

[reef glade]

huh

what did blud just link

[boreal quartz]

HTML report of a quicksim

[reef glade]

yea i mean i did like the exact same stuff tho my control like 4k dps higher than yours

[boreal quartz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qLbahi3G1uHyEGNn5bfEwu

[reef glade]

idk if thats just like.. premium bots just being better or something?

[boreal quartz]

pov bad gear

[reef glade]

weird diff

[cold vigil]

weird

[boreal quartz]

(me)

[reef glade]

pov i didnt get the pants i needed off assault

[cold vigil]

i mean you got the axe

thats at least 7-10%dmg increase

im on my 11th week of hc clearing and still no axe

[reef glade]

yea axe def large

[boreal quartz]

So real

[boreal quartz]

I got almost everything so ye

Still not a 445 sim andy cuz bad legs n belt + cba recraft neck

[reef glade]

i used to sim like on the cusp of 444k

idk why im under 443 now..

[boreal quartz]

Skill loss

[reef glade]

im psure bsl was set to 60% in my pad sim..

yea probably

[cold vigil]

im gonna get it at the 15th week and then it'll be pointless cuz new exp coming

[boreal quartz]

Mine's at 65 lolmao

[cold vigil]

so fucking sad

[reef glade]

yea mfs keep raising that shit every week

[boreal quartz]

Do it for the FOS

[reef glade]

soon large tmy 80% bsl sim

[cold vigil]

fos?

[reef glade]

"holy so insane!"

[boreal quartz]

If you wanna hear something disgusting ye

I got lego last year

[reef glade]

ok w/e joining 65% club ig

[cold vigil]

i skipped s3

[boreal quartz]

65 85ers

[reef glade]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hnsVKFtwwx6pp3iAxeKGJa

[boreal quartz]

Nice

[cold vigil]

what does fos mean

[reef glade]

feat of strength?

what i would assume

+1k to obtain two items that drop off 1 boss

next try in 3 weeks ig

[cold vigil]

for m+ i should swap signet for anvil and get oce

[reef glade]

yea

if u have like literally anything else other than anvil

prolly be more ideal

but anvil is ok

[cold vigil]

glad trinkets 😄

[reef glade]

[cold vigil]

if only it werent lower in ilevel i might use it xd

[reef glade]

i mean... could still mayb be better than anvil

on an average use case where it falls off

but if u pay attention to its buff and extend with on use where possible prolly not as much

u just have to like actually think and use brainpower to make use out of anvil

where thats just passive stat buff

and u go happi happi hap pi

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[steel furnace]

Thought aug would be good in keys

How come some classes are smashing with it

Just more buttons pressed?

[calm hare]

Is haste worth less in aoe (m+ for example) than it is for pure ST?

And another question, do you bladestorm in ST? I mean, on bosses in m+ for example where you have BS talented

[sacred zodiac]

you should bs in ST yes hurricane is a very stupid talent

[steel furnace]

BS before using CDS in single target, pretty sure haste > crit in keys, crit > haste in ST raiding for example

[sacred zodiac]

just sim if you want stat related answers

ideally you optimize for st anyways i dont think you ever mistime a key because you didnt itemize for aoe enough

[boreal quartz]

Who cares about stats in keys lol

Equip ilvl and tertiaries

[latent moss]

tmy at 95%

[boreal quartz]

@latent moss

[latent moss]

tmy alt

only a tmy alt would put 100% bsl

[livid cloak]

Yeah I think the ideal way to do it in ST is avatar and roar, then bs, then warbreaker into Ms and op

Roar gets the buff from hurricane for a long time, and then you can warbreaker and get a few gcds in with the 30 percent hurricane buff

[chilly mulch]

I noticed a subtle but annoying issue in my Arms gameplay. Whereas most classes I play are ranged or have ranged extension, Arms is strictly a melee class. Overpower, in particular, is melee with a frontal cleave, which makes it very awkward if the mob you initially targeted moved out of range, or you need to reposition in a hectic pull. If I can’t tab to the new target I’m just looking at 2 charges of overpower for a few gcd. How do you guys play around this? Thanks!

[boreal quartz]

Move with the mob

It's just normal melee gameplay, everyone else is just cheating

[calm hare]

Should I be using whirlwind on cd pretty much? in st

[olive nest]

pretty much yeah

I'll hold it for a global or two if CS is about to come back up

you really want to try to WW twice inside CS window

[calm hare]

Ah gottcha, thanks

[zealous pivot]

its a skill shot strafe with the pack on the edge, aim in. cleave too

[livid cloak]

Isn't overpower higher prio than ww single target?

[boreal quartz]

Ye outside of cs

[livid cloak]

Yeah outside cs

Ok

[sacred zodiac]

the dreadnaught wave is almost impossible to miss iirc

large kitchen appliance sized

[sacred zodiac]

slightly too specific of a reference

@daring flicker

[daring flicker]

Does it fire large kitchen appliances?

[sacred zodiac]

it does

[gaunt owl]

this @hexed saddle emote sux

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1230539998898684057.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

this is the real one !

[daring heron]

[finite mantle]

[olive nest]

[finite mantle]

I named that emote send me a quarter

[rose cedar]

Guys, on my rotation, should i use Thunderous Roar before or after Colossus Smash? I am pressing Avatar> Colossus Smash> Thunderous Roar...is it correct?

[olive nest]

Roar first then ava+cs next global

[woven wasp]

no you did not pipe down sir

[finite mantle]

fuck

this is revisionism surely

[dire hinge]

when are they going to just give us Thrall as a mount

[opal folio]

[dire hinge]

hear me out

[ripe bear]

[quaint otter]

🤔

[wheat whale]

i understood this one!!

[slate fjord]

May I ask how hard is the transition from fury to arms? I was thinking to play arms for the rest of season

[reef glade]

statwise it might get a little silly cuz arms goes a lot harder into crit and haste where youre likely to have a bunch of "excess" mastery from fury, but its not like the end of the world

playstyle tho idk both are "easy" fury is def a lot simpler tho, have like 2 things to keep track of just like "hit rampage when its up, hit bt when kaching" and just faceroll the other fillers

arms got a bit more goin on with like ms top prio, reapplying dot with thunderclap, overcapping a bunch of rage in main rotation cuz overpower broken, makin sure to hit a double ww during cs windows on single target, the funny execute rotation

etc

if u do wanna try arms out It's not like hard to make the swap by any means, just bit more of learning curve

[sacred zodiac]

very good

[chilly mulch]

what style does arms sim with for m+

[hallow turtle]

Most reliable to aim ST, but a dslice can work too

[slate fjord]

Oh thank you very much! And what about the performance? Or are they close??

[reef glade]

uh I mean arms rn like a good bit ahead of fury on almost every raid fight

But they’re pretty interchangeable in m+

Regardless unless you’re pushing to kill mythic bosses and are struggling and “have to” be the carry the difference doesn’t rly matter in almost any scenario anyway

[latent hull]

[dull siren]

Milked a new sim @sacred zodiac

446k arms

[reef glade]

bump up bsl by another 5%

80% in 3 weeks soonge

[dull siren]

BSL is still the same

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Dnn2wZ1wHX78koP6sVuZR

[sacred zodiac]

brug

[thorny ibex]

Yikes I have been building Haste and mastery for Arms

[celest delta]

[severe sky]

is it worth it to go lariat if you have sockets on helm, bracers, belts, and rings?

[latent moss]

bsl is king

[sonic vapor]

While running test of might are we still delaying roar?

[latent moss]

wdym delaying roar

u send it on pull

charge ms leggo roar ava cs ms ww tc

[sonic vapor]

Didn't know if we held like in season 1

[latent moss]

even back when we do it

it was like

2 dps gained

not worth thinking about

[sonic vapor]

Okay didn't think so, main fury but arms is looking like the play rn so trying to relearn

[strange perch]

anyone play crusader strike SOD , can help me find the taste of blood rune ?

[dire hinge]

I don't play, but you might find the information you're looking for here:
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/guides/season-of-discovery/runes

[strange perch]

thanks brooo

[dire hinge]

no problem, good luck!

[gaunt owl]

<@&257983573498265600>

[strange perch]

just covered back to black on the guitar

thanks man

😮

thanks al ot

got it

[chilly mulch]

Is Mirror equivalent to or better than puzzle box in M+ if I my highest secondary is mastery instead of haste?

[latent moss]

if its more stats then yes if it isnt then no

actually

not sure

even if mirror is more stats

puzzlebox is fucking 30s

[chilly mulch]

but channel bro

uggggggggggggggggggggh

[latent moss]

idk i dont mind it (i want to kill myself)

[chilly mulch]

im going to do shit numbers with mirror that's okay

[latent moss]

based 🫡

[latent hull]

Can we get a train going

[untold trench]

no

[trim lintel]

[latent moss]

why the dooming in retail chat

come to #1230008337517514772

[eternal vortex]

Oh u changed ur name

xdd

[chilly mulch]

Arms warrior has a macro that let you drop current target and target nearest enemy and spam out a victory rush for emergency heal, very similar to rogue's spam sap in arena. Does anyone have it? I swear I saw it somewhere but can't find it just now

[chilly mulch]

Answsered my own question, it's quite simple actually

#showtooltip
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/use Victory Rush```

[wheat whale]

just trying to learn arms as a spec and learn how to use all these neat external tools like logs etc and on wowanalyzer it's saying overpower is higher prio than mortal strike? for some reason I thought mortal strike off cooldown was of a higher priority for arms and that's how hekili is suggesting I play but wowanalyzer is focusing more on OP usage. Is it just a difference between the two? which is correct or is there more context needed

also does the bleed from thunderous roar snapshot at all? do snapshots even fkin exist in retail? 💀

[hexed saddle]

do not use wow analyzer

[wheat whale]

do you mind explaining why?

[hexed saddle]

its bad

not maintained by anyone relevant

or who actually knows the class well

[wheat whale]

So I should trust Hekili's priority of MS over OP on this at least? I'm sad wowanalyzer isn't good because it gives really digestible information

[hexed saddle]

I dont think id actively recommend using hekili because it builds bad muscle memory

genuinely writing the priority on a sticky note and taping it on your monitor would be more effective than using hekili or wow analyzer

[reef glade]

no

but yea idk hekili sounds “more correct” than the other thing but general basics is “hit ms when it’s up always; hit overpower basically all the time until u run out of charges; pay attention to Rend that u apply with thunder clap; try to fit 2 whirlwinds in every cs on single target” last thing might not always work out but it’s good to try

[wheat whale]

i dont understand what you mean by this

[reef glade]

for instance like I’d say u send overpower unless u can hit either ms/ww or execute (pre execute phase) but at least always have 1 charge rolling, like u don’t want to hit ww with 2 charges of op cuz we just gives u a free charge

[wheat whale]

yea with the tactician procs

[reef glade]

So always like ms > op > ww not ms > ww > op

yea

[wheat whale]

I assume if op resets ms I'd go ms immediately afterwards?

[hexed saddle]

its not right in every scenario and teaches you those inaccuracies

[reef glade]

yea pretty much

sometimes I get stuck in a loop of that chaining for so long then Feel bad cuz I don’t hit my first ww in a cs

and then don’t fit 2

but first things prolly better anyway

[hexed saddle]

listen to swordish he actual plays retail world of warcraft in s4

[wheat whale]

gotcha, that makes sense. I have noticed this while using it where it doesn't feel correct

[reef glade]

xandbag owns

[hexed saddle]

[reef glade]

Then exe phase is like ezpz just try to hit 2 exe + 1 more of either exe or overpower into ms

u get 3 exes often when u have reck from cs/avatar and that feelsgood otherwise u need to op for more rage

man when bloodletting didn’t make ms apply Rend in execute… dark times

holy w talent change

[wheat whale]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps is this wowhead guide a good thing to look through? I assume yes as long as it's updated 🧘‍♀️

[reef glade]

ya pretty much

u have to like click some of the talents used for some reason that are all pretty baseline

but ig on the offchance u have some diff stuff

o damn i never read that execute phase caveat of using roar during test of might windows

might make more sense considering ur actually spending all the rage u earn in execute and its probable tom buff is better than cs buff

learn somethin new every day

[wheat whale]

huge! we're both learning !!

[reef glade]

[wheat whale]

test of might is the strength buff after colossus smash ends iirc

[reef glade]

yea

[wheat whale]

lit

[reef glade]

i think pre execute its typically even with cs's actual dmg buff

like 30%ish strength on average aligns close enough to 30% increased dmg maybe

but like during that time u only can spend so much rage and ur spamming overpowers still cuz its like second best button

but in exe u are always draining rage

to use good button

so tom's probably a lot higher than normal in exe

[outer holly]

yeah in exe/lust that overlapping CS/ToM is something beautiful

[reef glade]

and then if it goes fast enough cs can come back the tail end of tom

and i assume u just double dip some of that damage

fat tom on top of cs's effect

[outer holly]

yessir

keep that shit rolling

[reef glade]

i always knew of stuff like that being possible just never considered "damn wait i should hold roar for that"

[wheat whale]

is there like specific stat thresholds I should be shooting for that I could find?

[reef glade]

it might get weird with ava tho

[outer holly]

Between the two I generally have 95-98% uptime between both buffs

[reef glade]

but ig if u cs a couple seconds before avatar

[reef glade]

mostly just simmin your dude and robot picks what gear to wear

but i think its common for max ilvlish to have like around or above 40% of crit/haste and mast

and verse idk in the 20's ish maybe

[outer holly]

40/40/40/20 very roughly, sims will tell you what specifically but generally we're so saturated in stats ilvl takes even more precedence in gear consideration

[reef glade]

i think i have like 45 crit 42 haste 39 mast or some random shit

just get it all

[wheat whale]

i c i c so its more overall stat distribution at higher gear levels rather than trying to get a really high in one stat now because of the significant diminishing returns

[outer holly]

yeah like my stats currently put my crit at 45, but generally everything seems to stay +/- 5%

[reef glade]

yea i mean dr's play a small part in that but just in general its nice to have a mix of stats

and idk arms still is kind of focused on "crit haste"

but its not like 75% mastery like fury

deep wound big good

also with cleave being big in m+ more mastery for more deep wound damage increase is neato

[outer holly]

its really quite nice getting to be a bit more braindead about wound application with cleave being back in vogue

[wheat whale]

lmao

[reef glade]