arms

[gaunt owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/71N7Wi8JTBkR46ZvLLUSLk thats real

[ornate eagle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/orKgZHvW4hYd6MbKRRi33J

65% BSL uptime

[boreal quartz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9BSQ99JUTDLgz7PbUR7sap

[gaunt owl]

i got 70% on smoldy boy last week

[boreal quartz]

yea thats what i got

[gaunt owl]

BSL juiced up

[boreal quartz]

fuck me man full regem again

[ornate eagle]

ive only had 43% 💀

[gaunt owl]

wut happend

[ornate eagle]

wdym?

nothing happened

[boreal quartz]

did u stand in everything

[thick kelp]

bro ate a ring or what

[boreal quartz]

surfgodx

[gaunt owl]

eating a ring can be a play on some timing

particularly the 2nd one

[ornate eagle]

https://i.imgur.com/W8Eo7uS.png

was just never above 90

[gaunt owl]

let me check my hp

[ornate eagle]

BSL has a 5sec delay from reactivating

but falls off instantly

so if you dont stay above 90% for over 5.25sec

you dont get the benefit at all

[gaunt owl]

healer diff

big time

[ornate eagle]

are you 4 healing or what

wait so were we

[gaunt owl]

yes we are

they even get some shit log with 4 healer

my bsl

[gaunt owl]

my poor healing team

fighting for crumbs

[ornate eagle]

https://i.imgur.com/1wiV7Ll.png

[gaunt owl]

we even had a buyer

[ornate eagle]

me with the 90

[gaunt owl]

so only 19 people

healing parse juicy !

[ornate eagle]

nice

[gaunt owl]

45% is just the ring

[dire hinge]

[boreal quartz]

sir

[slender sonnet]

twerk about it

[dire hinge]

Grabbed rageheart yesterday, time to HPS this week

[ornate eagle]

grab broodkeeper trinket

[gaunt owl]

yeah it doesnt matter 😄

[ornate eagle]

fueled by violence??

sir?

[gaunt owl]

you had shit rng on the ring

yeah i'm lazy now

[ornate eagle]

bro

[boreal quartz]

[ornate eagle]

if i cant press IP

i feel dogass

weak

squishy

[gaunt owl]

yeah but my healer are too good i feel safe

[ornate eagle]

reminder that i hate everyone who was against IP contributing to damage

[gaunt owl]

i upgraded guild

[ornate eagle]

[gaunt owl]

me too

it was so wrong

i did all prog with IP just started FbV 3 weeks ago for laziness

[ornate eagle]

i downgraded guild

cuz im bad

[gaunt owl]

Tmy vouched for me

big time

[ornate eagle]

ya he got you in before he told me about the move

(youre also just better so its ok)

[gaunt owl]

i'm secretly shit at the game

i'm just good at hiding i'm a fraud

[boreal quartz]

im bad at gaming i just press ms

[ornate eagle]

me and TCing

[gaunt owl]

exactly !

[copper summit]

i will get there soon

[dire hinge]

Hell yeah keep up the good work friend 👑

[boreal quartz]

what number does this translate to

io wise

[copper summit]

3130

dead season but ill take it lol

[boreal quartz]

rank is rank

[copper summit]

hard getting in keys when ur not a sp,dh or pally these days

[boreal quartz]

wouldnt know i havent done a key in 2 months

[astral yarrow]

keys are for deranged people

[gaunt owl]

dogshit mplussers

[somber lance]

brainrot hamsterwheel only thing fun outside of raid

[boreal quartz]

I finish raid portals on frank next time and then i maybe get my last m+ ones

[outer holly]

I sure hope I get motivation to get those portals done this season

[boreal quartz]

I mean we got most week 1

When we did ksm

[gaunt owl]

the mplussers portals ?

[boreal quartz]

Yea

[gaunt owl]

they are so free

[boreal quartz]

I didnt play war s1 so i miss uldaman

Surely i can get into pug at 530

[thick kelp]

Surely

[gaunt owl]

depends on how long you are ready to wait

[somber lance]

a +10 uld at 530, even with the state of the meta

is free

[boreal quartz]

It was free at 490

But people are braindead

And i dont have io for the key above 8 fort week 1 xd

[reef glade]

[steel furnace]

Got my first 95 parse on warrior

[gaunt owl]

lets not make it the last !

[steel furnace]

Hopefully more when i can finally get good rng on lego

[sacred zodiac]

make it the last

i expect pink from now on

[gaunt owl]

right

we can go much higher !

[somber lance]

you men MS crits

yeah that's the one

[outer holly]

first 2 weeks of the season killed my motivation this time around, think I had an average of 2 keys above 7 timed per week outside of my own group

So ive been touching grass ever since

Has a weird texture tbh, do not recommend.

[reef glade]

https://tenor.com/view/can-we-get-much-higher-so-high-one-piece-one-piece-is-real-gif-27101910

[outer holly]

kanye.mp4

[latent moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1077655483344764978/1249290498791702558/togif-4.gif

[fresh spire]

i like the other version of this video

very imformative

[copper summit]

what do yall think of merciless bonegrinder in m+ instead of executioner perc

[dire hinge]

I dont think it's needed in m+ personally. Most of our damage comes from Overpower (technically sweeping Dreadnaught around), and the Merciless Bonegrinder talent tries to shift the focus back to Cleaving instead of licking out more Overpowers.

It is taken on Primal Council since it's persistent 4-target cleave for multiple minutes straight with no execute, but I don't run it otherwise.

[meager prairie]

raz
just parried my opener cs

[dire hinge]

when i grow up i want CS and Demolish to be parry-proof (at least in PVE, i have no thoughts about PVP)

[meager prairie]

who cares about pvp tbh

[dire hinge]

[reef glade]

[dire hinge]

haha good lord

[dire hinge]

while not CS, i was upset about this one.
the woman was too stunned to speak

[hazy flower]

I had no idea u can get parried during SS

my cs got parried on secondary target

and it didnt on primary

[reef glade]

what a pull

surely i will be doing this type of dmg on my kill pull

[reef glade]

just cs behind boss

[dire hinge]

yeah, two entirely different casts even if it's one button press (it uniquely duplicates it)

[reef glade]

opener ive found to be working for me pretty well is the typical charge ms leggo + ava/roar/pot > ms > cs > ww > tc > ms etc

[dire hinge]

the dream

[reef glade]

so like 3-4 seconds in is my cs usually

and boss moved infront of me at that point

also funny using all my defensives on first bombs

with double stacked ignore pain

so i dont drop hp

and keep bsl up

[dire hinge]

BSL

[meager prairie]

it's ok we killed next pull

[dire hinge]

ayyy grats!

[reef glade]

i think i have my cooldowns exactly where i want them

[meager prairie]

One of these is not like the other

[reef glade]

....

i think... like 4 are not like the others..

but a 4 on kurog 😭

thats like the best arms fight!

[dire hinge]

i would argue that were very locked in

[meager prairie]

I charged

into the uhhh

[reef glade]

[meager prairie]

exploding bedrock

[reef glade]

happens

[meager prairie]

on the only kill i was in on

[reef glade]

surely i get to do that boss again this week...

but we'd have to kill rasz like soon..

[dire hinge]

is that the donut?

[reef glade]

ppl arent gonna come back tomorrow...

[meager prairie]

yeah

I pressed it a second early

and got bootyblasted

[dire hinge]

i too, would rush 4 donuts

[wary raft]

and the first one that immediately surrounds the boss is a cookie

[dire hinge]

or the donut hole

[copper summit]

true i just did a 15 we timed it but my dps was only 408k

[reef glade]

NIOOOOOO

I KILLED BOSS

AND I FATAL MARKED BOSS WITH DAMAGE REDUCTION

KILLING MYSELF

i didnt know if it insta dr'd after third shield

im so fuckin sad

or wait

no yea

wasted

idk how he drops .4% hp after third shield

and i only do 500k of fatal mark

for the fight

this game so bad

[dire hinge]

haha, you'll get it next clear 💪

unfortunate to hear though

[reef glade]

r3

its joever

[dire hinge]

i have bad news

[reef glade]

we also got an unfort like final breath in intermission 1

like we were all leaving platform but she still spent a whole breath there

psure thats just like minus 10k dps of her being afk

[dire hinge]

💀

[reef glade]

yea did the maths

if i had the fatal mark in the second picture on my kill

woulda done 17k more dps, and beat r1 by 10k

surely next time...

he did get without pi tho so he def just owns anyway

kreezwar 🫡

[reef glade]

damn kurog 5% before second intermiss

unfort

o well

good ass night ig either way

[dire hinge]

[reef glade]

[boreal remnant]

I'm going into mythic vault this sunday on my warr

my logs will definitely not look like that

[dire hinge]

cuz they'll be all hundreds 😎

[reef glade]

yea

youll not rip a fatal mark on a 99% damage reductioned boss

and get a fat 100

[boreal remnant]

I'll forget to move and get knocked off the platform

[reef glade]

[boreal remnant]

[boreal quartz]

Or play pips on endboss xd

[clever crag]

LOL

How terrible was arms wtf

[boreal quartz]

A bit

[hexed saddle]

fury and arms were very close to the lowest 2 performing dps specs in the game

[boreal quartz]

So like on live too clueless

Fury bad buff fury yap yap

[hexed saddle]

yes exactly

[clever crag]

Lmfao

[boreal remnant]

wait is this on live?

[clever crag]

Nah beta

[boreal remnant]

ah ok

[eternal vortex]

Wish it was live

https://tenor.com/view/xdd-cat-xdd-twitch-xdd-twitch-xdd-emote-gif-26219559

[latent hull]

Still wouldnt be meta

[eternal vortex]

Real

[high sandal]

guys whats arms good for?

i heard arms is pretty useful i wonder what changed from the old days

[olive nest]

Maybe it’s just me but I think I use arms for just about everything on a daily basis

Except maybe for walking of course

[latent hull]

Can do that aswell

If ure strong enough

[obsidian topaz]

were good for melee interrupts, and battle shout. other than that im not sure what we do that other classes dont do better

[latent hull]

Other classes have melee interupts

Dk has ranged interupt with melee cd

[obsidian topaz]

I'd even argue their melee interrupts are better

ya haha so so pallies and rogues

[latent hull]

Battleshout and rally cry

[obsidian topaz]

and DHs

rally sucks in keys

[latent hull]

But rallying cry got nerfed

[obsidian topaz]

they should buff it in 5 man content only

[latent hull]

Ye warrior pretty bad utility wise

Dmg is good but

Nothing else rly going on

Survivability is meh

[obsidian topaz]

like why pick a warrior for a HoI when you could take a warlock or a priest

same yourself 100k hps on third boss

I'm usually top interrupts and top damaage in most of my keys, but a good ret / ranged class should out DPS us

[latent hull]

I think ret and arms are simmilar dps

But ret has so much more utility

[obsidian topaz]

idk about SO much more but ya

if we could at least talent into shockwave easily

sac and BoP and freedom hard to beat though if they actually use them

[latent moss]

bad weapon 22k sim dps 50mil damage in keys xan skyhold BLUE name twitter warrior egirl slayer silver junkrat in ow2

[latent hull]

#1230008337517514772

[obsidian topaz]

ya thank god

i mean its supposed to be a 3% damage loss only but it feelslike more than that on fort when I drop massacre for 2x bloodborne

[high sandal]

ait so shout is useful

thought arms became some sort of group love

[obsidian topaz]

tell that to all the groups in LFG

[scenic sequoia]

anyone

[obsidian topaz]

Not sure what to buy with my last bullion. I'm hesitating between cloak, signet brand, Whispering incarnate and greiftorch

i clear heroic raid weekly and mostly push 14-15 level keys. I've got incarnate heroic but kind of wanted a mythic for runs where noone else is wearing OCE. Seems like just straight up more stats

cloak im worried will get me killed in M+, and I play 50/50 tank and arms. Signet brand / greiftorch would mostly be for raid clearing last bosses

Incarnate heroic seems to be a damage increase over OCE when i disable ally buffs

[hollow axle]

You progressing? OCE+ICON < 3min, OCE+SIGNET > 3min, some ppl like SIGNET+ANVIL. If your not pushing (<12+) keys cloak is fine...

[hollow axle]

You need to understand that you need HEALER+TANK+DPS on ICON to be at max value.

[obsidian topaz]

I said Im not progressing, just doing weekly heroic clear. Sometimes guild gets stuck on last boss for a few pulls. maybe we do 1 mythic kill. Also said im pushing keys at 15 level

[hollow axle]

I like going PUZZLE+ICON on M+

Even 522 Puzzle is too op

[obsidian topaz]

thats what I'm thinking. Because I go puzzle + OCE in keys RN because my OCE is myth and my icon is hero. but for runs where no one else has OCE, Icon would be more value even alone

[hollow axle]

I think, you need to sim yourself, for OCE to beat ICON (just dps), you need 3 OCE buffs (3 players)

[obsidian topaz]

oh really? damn

ya that doesnt happen almost ever in keys

is my mastery too low at 3720? It's still what sims highest for me

in dungeon slice

[teal fossil]

whatever sims the best

[obsidian topaz]

ya somehow that sims the best

is that actually a confirmed thing that OCE needs 3 buffs to pass Icon?

thats not something I can sim

also what's our opener for ST in M+ build? I usually pre-Puzzle box, charge, TC, leggo, warbreaker, Roar, Avatar, bladestorm

should I be moving warbreaker to the end of that sequence? Adding in a ww?

[boreal quartz]

box chare ms lego tc bs wb ava roar ms

for st

ww according to no TOM prio

[obsidian topaz]

why MS after charge?

[teal fossil]

get deep wounds rolling

get MS on cd

[obsidian topaz]

also wouldnt you want roar on the taget while you bladestorm to not waste 1 GCD or hurricane to use warbreaker?

so you want deep wounds over rend?

[teal fossil]

there should be a thing on the bottom that lets you change OCE and icon stuff

you are thinking too hard about openers

[halcyon breach]

It's to fish for a crit so you proc the set bonus

Since the crit chance from the 4p proc affects the lego

[teal fossil]

combination of all 3 factors yeah

i keep forgetting about that

[obsidian topaz]

oh it affects leggo? damn ok good to know

[obsidian topaz]

I don't think there is this option. You can either have no ally buffs or all.

[halcyon breach]

Yeah, it's global crit chance and not ability crit chance

[obsidian topaz]

whats wrong with min maxing? isnt that what this discord is for?

talking about rotation?

[halcyon breach]

Which is a bit odd when you might think otherwise based on the wording, and Reck as well only affecting abilities too

[teal fossil]

the thing is, even people like archi doesnt think openers matter that much

its 5 seconds out of a 3-4 minute fight

you are optimizing about 5% damage in 2% of a fight

which is about a 0.1% dps increase if you do everything perfectly

[obsidian topaz]

ah ok

[swift crown]

Yea you need to set buffs manually for anything outside of that

Which isn't hard just a bit annoying

[obsidian topaz]

I’ll just leave icon on unless I see 2 buffs. But the odds of that happening in pugs is astronomical

That I find 2 others wearing it with different buffs

[reef glade]

[dire hinge]

[olive nest]

[slender sonnet]

whats the raid this week

[dire hinge]

Vault of the Incarnates

[slender sonnet]

ok

[olive nest]

My guild bugged at terros can’t target it

[dire hinge]

yikes 😬 sorry to hear that

[midnight mural]

How u get rasza to last that long man... We killed it in 9:04. I want more execute phad 😅

[reef glade]

how u ask!

haha!

[finite mantle]

haha!

[reef glade]

but the game fucked me and i fatal marked on a 99% damage reduction rasz

so cringe

[finite mantle]

[reef glade]

boss was 30.4% going into third shield...

[boreal quartz]

i forgor to pot on 5 mins

[reef glade]

if anybody just did like 1mil more damage...

[boreal quartz]

and only got 2

[reef glade]

i kinda held mine till second shield but honestly that probably wasnt worth

only got like 5 seconds of usage at the end

and maybe if i used off cd boss wouldve been low enough to fatal mark shield...

but like .4% i dont think is just a me issue....

we've hit it b4 ppl just aint get their procs or somethin ig

but i basically just hard copied every cd usage from top log which felt good as hell

pri much perfect alignment with i1 adds/couple shields/i2 adds

did apparently have a nice 2.7m legendary crit tho

so thats pog

[boreal quartz]

i sent my ava in 2nd adds i1

so i got it late on shield

so i did lego + wreck first

into some roar

but full exe ava into 3rd

and ava + ava+pot+bl into p3

but i was just yoloing it off cd

[reef glade]

yea that may be the more ethical plays

i however, was most certainly holding ava for adds

[boreal quartz]

idk if roaring i1 is ethical

[reef glade]

[boreal quartz]

ideally you have uh

[reef glade]

i took minute roar to copy that guy

[boreal quartz]

ava first add

so you get it for shield

or you do it on 2nd and get HPAL cdr

[reef glade]

yea

ava/roar/leggo first adds

roar "sometimes" comes up for third add

if my mm hunter isnt padding out of his skull with 100mil phase dmg

and then just kinda send roar on cd except second shield gets a roar

and leggo second shield

can kinda get ava on 1 and fully on 2

then just hold everything else till the big add set in second intermission

big ava/roar/leggo

[boreal quartz]

i didnt like 1 min roar

so I just send stuff together

even on sark i did 1.5

skipped 3rd adds anyways

[reef glade]

yea i mean i mostly dont care about it either i just did wanna try and i mean idk felt good

ya

[boreal quartz]

got good bossdam log on it

[reef glade]

sark pooby easy

adds arent as relevant just cleaving shit fine enough

but like full sets of adds and like the 30 adds in intermission 2

not gonna give that up

[boreal quartz]

fast too its good

[reef glade]

top boss dmg by like 30mil still funy

when im holding multiple cds for adds

[boreal quartz]

i topped ours too but by like 10

our ret full slammed boss

[reef glade]

yea i got 3 of those...

and i mean two of em were 2nd and third place

so they kinda doin it

wait i was top in p1

pi diff i suppose surely

[boreal quartz]

did you get pi?

[reef glade]

o yea big unethical

but only 3 times

[boreal quartz]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dy4FzKmwAbaq6g9k#fight=22&type=damage-done

natty

[reef glade]

the rl that gives it to me is just kind of a "whenever he feels like it"

so i didnt get anything in p3

lol

[slender sonnet]

xdd

unethical

[boreal quartz]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RJXndBk21qYaMAFm#fight=128&type=damage-done&target=522

[reef glade]

https://tenor.com/view/verycat-cateat-gif-7339469281817108398

[boreal quartz]

ethical

go to ranks and bossdam

[reef glade]

ethical

[boreal quartz]

ethical

[reef glade]

r14 rasz boss dam

not ethical

[boreal quartz]

i got like r7

idk

pink is link

pink

[reef glade]

i mightve been gold if i didnt throw my fatal mark like a fuckin dumbass

but i def wouldve been if my raid got boss .4% lower in p2

happens

next time for sure

[reef glade]

need to do well on eranog and i have no idea how...

think just like... somehow pad as much as possible on adds while boss dying in like 50 seconds

[gaunt owl]

just ST

padding is useless

dont get parried

[boreal quartz]

st

maybe ww lego adds

and sweep bigman

but st st st st st

[reef glade]

damn top is 640k what the freak

its funny when fights are so short u can just actually see individual globals

[boreal quartz]

kekl

[reef glade]

o well problem for 3 weeks from now me

big extendo this lockout no kill fun bosses

[boreal quartz]

ew

[reef glade]

thats what happens when youre not sure if your guild can kill a boss

spent 1 hour last night wiping in p1 cause after the hour someone noticed we werent lusting in p1 for some ungodly reason

kept getting 4th winds

and like 6 ppl would die

[boreal quartz]

LOL

idk we did skip into full into frank

full onebang in 1 night

[midnight mural]

Just do ST. fuck adds.

[west wasp]

whispering icon or ominous chromatic essence

[boreal quartz]

oce

[midnight mural]

OCE.

[west wasp]

then for the second puzzle box or anvil

[boreal quartz]

not anvil for most content

[west wasp]

augury is that good by chance

[boreal quartz]

its okay

[fair kiln]

so is it okay to hold warbreaker for a second or two if whirlwind is about to come up?

and is it okay to hold bladestorm for a second or two if whirlwind is about to come up

or do you send everything asap

[boreal quartz]

i mean if bs is cast wws cd still ticks

so you can ww after no

[boreal quartz]

it lasts 13 seconds so i usually just send

[fair kiln]

i meant the exact opposite, sorry

hold whirlwind for a second or two if warbreaker is about to come up

[boreal quartz]

ye sure why not

gets you more cdr

[lone pilot]

guys why when i charge sometimes i get enough rage to use ms but sometimes i don't

[boreal quartz]

melee swing

[lone pilot]

so is it random? or i can do anything about it

[boreal quartz]

i mean you can track ur swing

and pray to not get parried

[lone pilot]

i'm not that praying person sad , but thanks anyway D

[boreal quartz]

parry is dogshit and shouldnt exist

[lone pilot]

If I could only agree 100% on one topic, it would be this 🙂

[dire hinge]

make spells parryable

(parry needs some sort of improvement or removal, it feels incredibly bad when it happens)

[latent hull]

Imagine parsing

Ur on ur way to rank 1 parse

The best parse

And then the boss just parries your colossus smash

[olive nest]

They really need to make bosses at the very least not able to parry CS

That fact that they don’t acknowledge that as a problem is insane

[hazy flower]

Dh can have essb parried

Though p sure its less % dam diff than having cs parried

[prisma heart]

One time smolderon parried CS then winked at me

[frigid lava]

u should reroll your account at that point

jk... it happened to me before

[frigid lava]

parry dodge and many other things that came with it before made sense some expansions ago... but no longer.

[rancid knot]

which two trinkets are u guys using for m+?

[eternal vortex]

i run oce+pbox

[rancid knot]

oce good even if by yourself?

i think it is a dps loss

[rancid knot]

fuck it just getting a branch

[strong notch]

apparently its not , i was chatting yesterday with someone and he said i should get the Pips trinket it gives more value if u always pug

[rancid knot]

you can just sim it and it comes out as dps loss

unless it's fully buffed

[strong notch]

ye pips simmed abit higher but no its not a loss i dont think its still better than alot of trinkets from what i remember from the sims

[chilly mulch]

Does arms cd not align? I feel bladestorm/roar/warbreaker is on the 30s/1min rotation, and colossus smash is 1.5min. Am I wrong?

I should say that is with anger management m+ build

[strong notch]

am so bad with cd management but i learnt to just pop everything on CD , i notice when i end up waiting for something my dps gets worse

[wary raft]

if you send everything avatar included on pull, everything realigns at 3m

bs/roar should always align on a 1 minute interval

and wb is 30s ish so yeah ur stuff lines up pretty good

[chilly mulch]

oh okay so you do like 1min goes, and every 3rd go has everything aligns. but what about that 2nd avatar? you send it with nothing else?

[strong notch]

so whats not to do then , what are the stuff that has to be togethor , like can u send roar without warbreaker for example or can u send roar without BS or avatar

[wary raft]

you have wb every 30s so u send it on cd

[chilly mulch]

oh i see ok

[wary raft]

this is just me, but its a lot easier to understand if you break it down into 30s/every cast of warbreaker

on pull: everything
30s: warbreaker
1m: warbreaker/roar/bladestorm
1m30s: warbreaker/avatar
2m: warbreaker/roar/bladestorm
2m30s: warbreaker
3m: everything

am can get a lil wonky if you are sending stuff at the end of a pack tho so it might not always be perfect

[chilly mulch]

yeah im understanding it a bit better now. you have an all-in go on a 3min rotation, and in between it's filled with 1min goes and 1.5 goes. interesting

[strong notch]

so i take it from what u wrote everything has to be with warbreaker , ok can u send warbreaker after roar is the damage from the intial hit or is it dynamic

roar damage that is

[wary raft]

feral is the only class with snapshotting still iirc

I think its very inconsequential if you send roar within or before warbreaker

[dire hinge]

you kinda just send Warbreaker if it's up (unless the pack is about to die), and everything else you either hold slightly for the next warbreaker, or just send it

[wary raft]

^

[chilly mulch]

hmm this sounds hard

like it requires thinking

[strong notch]

ty , i think we have way too many cds add puzzle box to all of that xd

it does xD at least to me

but it feels wrong to send avatar for example without warbreaker at least being there but what do i know

[chilly mulch]

i hope this gets an update in tww. i have extreme difficulty thinking/aligning various cds

[strong notch]

ye or add new stuff , dont want the same cds we have right now for the new expansion , blizzard should think of something new for each expansion

even spear was basically a shadowlands thing , they add it in dragonflight as talent , they like to cycle stuff and bring stuff from the past

[dire hinge]

I'm more of a visual person when it comes to timings and stuff, so I made this to help quick:
The caveat being two things:

1. Warbreaker is probably gonna be closer to 30-36sec, depending on how much rage you can spend with Anger Management.
2. Thunderous Roar can be 1min or 1.5min (depending on Uproar talent)

[outer holly]

If things gonna die, don't send, if things ain't dying, do send

Don't even need to think about target count, just send it

[strong notch]

Thunder clap sometimes fucks everything for me because i was told to always send it first global and sometimes i dont have the rage for it and i feel it makes everything slower , thoughts ?

on single target esp

[outer holly]

In st you just squeeze tc in when you can

[strong notch]

do u send it first global ?

[outer holly]

Nah, more like 5th or something

[strong notch]

ok am gonna do it like that then

[chilly mulch]

this is helpful thx!

[dire hinge]

sure thing! happy to be of assistance!

[copper summit]

lol close

timed it tho

[dire hinge]

timed it 👑

[copper summit]

once i time 2 more keys ill be in top 10 i think on my server

nelth or uld 15+ harder this week?

[eternal vortex]

i would say uld

[fickle lotus]

When do we use the Leggo ? M+ and Raid just on CD ?

[grand idol]

Generally when not actively in cooldowns. But I would say what's more important is using it in situations when it wont kill you. When specifically you use it is largely inconsequential unless you lose a cast of it due to fight length.

Also, in m+, taking into consideration of when doing a ton of damage in a 2 second window would be helpful. ie it's probably worth it to delay using it on the last boss of bracken and instead use it on a totem.

[fickle lotus]

Thanks for this nice Info Mate !

[prisma heart]

This is pretty niche and never rly something u have to think about but make sure u get all possible uses out of leggo, it's worth using it in CDs if holding it means losing a use. But tht basically never happens especially with kill times as short as they are rn

[fickle lotus]

Got it.

I was wondering how to maximise the Dot and the Consume, but i guess it isnt stackable, right ?

[boreal quartz]

Dodge etc make sense for tanking

[ruby sphinx]

Main thing to remember when using the leggo, is be sure to hit all the mobs in the pack with something to apply the Mark of Fyr'alath so when you press the active they are all hit. Outside of that for raids and M+ it depends on the mechanics. If there is anything going off or about to go off that involves watching your feet. Don't use it.

Anything else is pretty much a safe bet.

[copper summit]

^ the amount of deaths I have because of Leggo is more than raid wipes lol

[livid cloak]

Isn't it a dps loss to use it on big aoe packs vs just doing your normal rotation?

It's only 10 percent extra per mob

[copper summit]

If your cd are up yes but if they are down no

[livid cloak]

It only does like 400k dps I'm pretty sure

Maybe I'm just completely wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's split damage

And only scales 10 percent per dot application

[copper summit]

I use it for my charge in so I don’t have to deal with some stuff

[dire hinge]

You’ll definitely want to charge in to a pack and Clap first before using it if you’re using it on-pull for an aoe pack.

The way you’ve described would not benefit from the DoT scaling per mob, since you’re only “hitting” one mob in the pack

Clap will hit all (or most) and then amp the damage since a bleed goes on all targets hit

[copper summit]

… that explains a lot of my missing dmg some times

[dire hinge]

No worries! It’s goofy but that should help a lot!

[copper summit]

Was doing 450-500k and then dropped to 400k randomly

I really dislike this leggo

[dire hinge]

I won’t miss it

Unfortunately I don’t get my key binding back when it’s gone, it’ll just turn into Demolish

[fresh wren]

yo how do you sim arms for m+`?

[bold lodge]

Hey guys, wondering what the macro is for using/cancelling bladestorm on same button

also if u can add like a reset timer on it so u dont accidentally double tap it and cancel instantly

[sacred zodiac]

you cant cancel bladestorm with hurricane talented and you shouldn't be playing bs without hurricane

[bold lodge]

oh ok thanks

Also I noticed execute has 2 different animations and they both like like condemn, one where it looks like a cleave and one like slam, is there a difference in what they do?

[sacred zodiac]

ms and execute have different animations when you have sweeping strikes up

[bold lodge]

ohh ye forgot about SS

[quasi torrent]

spin man

[sacred zodiac]

spinner

[quasi torrent]

i am the spinner

[copper summit]

I really don’t understand why uld is so hard. 2nd boss is a HEALING check 3rd boss is a healing check and last boss as well I can’t time a 14 or above because it’s so hard

[quasi torrent]

skill issue unfortunately

[copper summit]

Also holy crap the about of dmg spell reflect does on the lizzard boss is amazing

[quasi torrent]

it's a very chill key as arms

if you use your defensives correctly you shouldn't be in danger

esp on key levels where you don't need IP on last boss (you shouldn't until 17)

[bold lodge]

are you supposed to use whirlwind at all as arms?

[copper summit]

Oh it’s never me thank god I know how to heal my self

[copper summit]

Ip?

[quasi torrent]

ignore pain my man

[quasi torrent]

you use it nearly on cd outside exe.

[bold lodge]

alrighty

[copper summit]

Ah

[olive nest]

Haha same idea here too

[livid cloak]

What do you spell reflect on him?

[copper summit]

You can spell reflect the dot

[livid cloak]

Oh do you just toss it before and hope he targets you?

Or do you do it after the dot is on you

[copper summit]

The lizzard boss at the start of the fight I don’t remember his combo but during the fight after he stomps he will usually throw the dot out

Before

[paper gulch]

Oh on uldaman? Yeah you fish for it like you did for flame shock in TOTT

[livid cloak]

Gotcha

[paper gulch]

He drops it around the 10 second mark then like 3 seconds after every pushback

Big dam.

[copper summit]

Also last boss when the boss pushes you back throw spell reflect up and it will ALWAYS spell reflect the dot he gives

Nok you can spell reflect a range auto from the ele boss and last bosses tank dot you run away and before he cast his ability you spell reflect and tank won’t get hit

[livid cloak]

Those both taunt reflects?

[copper summit]

Yea

The other tank has to taunt back quick. I only do it when I’m with friends

[latent hull]

What are friends

[copper summit]

The biggest help of all for spell reflect is in nelth the chain boss BEFORE he throws the chains cast spell reflect and it will do 0 dmg to you

Helps on tyran week

Another one in udla the golem boss before he does tank frontal u cast spell reflect it will do 0 dmg to you. (The frontal he does to the tank does aoe to everyone giving a dot) also same boss. When the intermission starts where you have to kill adds when the shield goes off the adds put spell reflect and run into a puddle it will do 25 or 26% dmg to the add who casted it

[livid cloak]

Damn that's a lot of good tech

Ty

[frigid lava]

spell reflect does very good dmg with the uld golem boss

Often it's hard to reflect every single one of the clap

just make sure to use spell reflect as soon as the boss starts to cast the clap

[copper summit]

I want to start tanking on my warrior just to use spell reflect a lot more lol

[paper gulch]

You have to watch the timer and get it right to buy you cooldown time.

[latent hull]

Use it b4

[frigid lava]

I mean... it's fortified week

puzzle box + troar at the first pull in AA

[latent hull]

Crit did 6mil dps or something once

[copper summit]

If you do not pull whole room in AA at the tree boss are you even a gamer?

[latent hull]

But that was b4 all bis gear

But with aug and spriest

[latent hull]

[frigid lava]

I tried to pull the whole room as prot today

then this arms and ret went hog before any aggro

u kno the rest

[copper summit]

lol “why didn’t you taunt”

[frigid lava]

give me... like maybe 3~5 gcd at least...

[copper summit]

I tell them before we start “if yall pull Aggro before I finish pulling I’m not taunting >:/

[halcyon breach]

@sacred zodiac

[slow saddle]

U have got aoe taunt no?🤣

[boreal quartz]

U know how threat works?

If you aoe taunt with zero threat on the mob it will swap target as soon as the debuff runs out

[slow saddle]

Buys me a couple of globals

[boreal quartz]

You just have to let the tank do a tc or whatever there is no way around it

Warrior life

[slow saddle]

It is what it is😅, most often ppl die but aoe taunting and trying to get control is all u can do

[quasi torrent]

no

[latent moss]

it doesnt

slayer fury approaches the mobs and they fixate instantly

troar avatar odyns -> release spirit

[fickle lotus]

Thanks Mate !!!

[potent portal]

For a first time kill on Mythic Raz,
should I run wrecking throw or IS?

[oblique hamlet]

if IS is intimidating shout, it depends on if your RL has you assigned to shout or not

but shout is safer pick because shield should get broken regardless now that everyone's giga geared

[outer holly]

you lose nothing taking wrecking throw

so it's a question of whether or not to drop sidearm for shout or not

[oblique hamlet]

Sidearm is around 1% damage right? prob worth imo

[outer holly]

unless you meant sotmr bolt

[sacred zodiac]

you should run IS

you are trolling if you aren't

wrecking is kinda whatever with current dps

[teal fossil]

Wrecking is really strong for pad

Snipe the shield

[olive nest]

Maybe mine never Crits but I feel like it hits like a wet noodle

[sacred zodiac]

should be able to comfortably fit both no

[sacred zodiac]

also that is by definiton not pad

ye u literally just run what we used on prog in s1 which is this shite

@oblique hamlet just to make sure you saw this

[teal fossil]

Can drop bounding for pain and gain

Fuck it drop rally

[oblique hamlet]

thx thats deadass my exact build for Raz I just forget what other talents I had/didn't lol

[copper summit]

here is a reason not to use the addon warp deplete

[outer holly]

only took me 2 months of raid logging but I'm finally part of the 400k club

[copper summit]

welcome

debating if i should get for this week ulda lol

[outer holly]

is that cd hasted or a firm 1min?

that'd be the deal breaker for me in choosing it

[eternal vortex]

i think its firm 1min

[copper summit]

wait im not there never mind im at 348

how u get 400k wtf

[teal fossil]

those affects are usually firm 1 min

[dire hinge]

Are you doing 5min patchwerk sims in raid talents? If you’re doing 15s you should be far over 400k in single target sims

[copper summit]

oops wrong talents

[dire hinge]

🥳

[copper summit]

in a 14 ulda

will try in a bit

can we do it?

[quaint otter]

100 bsl?

[copper summit]

nope 😦

[true latch]

finally got my fyralath this week after 18 heroic kills

[reef glade]

[zealous pivot]

damn do i just suck?

[latent hull]

You cant compare dps when u have an aug and priest in ur team

U couldve been doing more dmg but ret got more aug buffs and pi's

[reef glade]

i mean… in a dungeon the aug buffs everyone for the same amount of time…

only actual variance might be if buffs are used during one classes cooldowns vs the other or maybe prescience difference but so long as he’s just hitting it on cd shouldn’t be any

but idk within 10% of a ret seems reasonable

sometimes higher sometimes lower

[slender sonnet]

same bro

[eternal vortex]

that devoker tho

chad

[latent hull]

[keen parcel]

When you invite an evoker and start key, then find out its not aug?

[obsidian topaz]

anything we can do in hoi to help with self healing?

second wind wont work on third boss i assume?

[slender sonnet]

another skill issue

+9 av

[thorny ibex]

xD

[slender sonnet]

I feel like I should be doing more

im 529 xdd

[thorny ibex]

ye agree

[thorny ibex]

what trinkets do you use?

[slender sonnet]

augury oce

dont have puzzle box

[thorny ibex]

Augury wow I use oce and puzzle box

[thorny ibex]

wouldn't signet brand be better?

[slender sonnet]

Probably not

not in cringe pugs

[thorny ibex]

xD

[slender sonnet]

may be a little more

[thorny ibex]

I want that trinket I picked up tank trinkets intead

[halcyon breach]

Signet is only good in niche use cases, typically only found in more coordinated, high end push groups

Outside of that, I'd never use Signet unless you literally have nothing else

[oblique cliff]

is bladestorm worth using on bosses? or should i skip it

[hazy flower]

U use it before cds

Bladestorm into wb

Ideally troar before bladestorm

[sharp wyvern]

low keys 10 weeks into the season

[latent moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1077655483344764978/1249290498791702558/togif-4.gif

[copper summit]

Kinda sucks but I.o is important and ppl don’t know till they get to higher keys

Also love low keys it so chaotic

[stable plume]

does it matter if i dragons roar before or after warbreaker?

[wicked aurora]

Is it though? Seen way too many inflated io Andy’s thanks to Aug

[copper summit]

No as long they with in next gcd of the other

[copper summit]

I don’t see I.o as dmg I see it as mech. In keys where you HAVE to interrupt or do something to help your team the most then I.o shows. Like in last boss of uld a lot of classes don’t know they can remove the debuff them self and the dragons intro seems to kill 2 ppl right at the start

[wicked aurora]

I’ve seen plenty of high io players fail in general not just damage

“Oh they had high io last season” get in dungeon hilarity ensues look at the toon they played “oh they played aug last season….”

[copper summit]

Yea not 100% but it’s still safer than someone who’s never touched a 14 or higher that lvl of key is where dungeons are like Elden ring. 1 storm bolt will kill ya lol

[wicked aurora]

I think I had the best time with pugs when I cared enough to check logs as well

These days though I just run with guildies or pug into keys

[copper summit]

I did that. But for some reason I’m having a surge to just push keys. I think I saw one of my guildies posted they were top 10 class on the realm I.o wise

[dire hinge]

People need to touch grass and chill out

[daring heron]

huh?

[wintry scroll]

Indeed

Best shit i have ever done

[daring heron]

dont think i could do that

[wintry scroll]

I even touched a beach

Way extreme than grass

[copper summit]

I live in a desert town and my front lawn is rocks not grass

[wintry scroll]

It’s kinda watery

[gaunt owl]

go adopt a rock then

[copper summit]

I dislike rocks atm

I can’t even color them

[wintry scroll]

Look for a football field

Or whatever u call there

Soccer

They have fake grass or real if u’re lucky

[copper summit]

Could do that but I’ll just touch grass in vald

Cheaper

[dire hinge]

It’s a turn of phrase about resetting your own views/expectations of others around you, especially in the online spaces.

Configuring an addon to auto-block others if you get declined from a key (speculatively) assuming it’s because of your IO— touch grass moment

[copper summit]

That’s a crazy add on to even make tbh

I ve been googling non stop for the title name of the top .01 % m+. Anyone know the name and what is the I.o?

I can only find is previous seasons

[warped spade]

I usually decline everyone of a role when said role gets filled

never getting into a group again

[fickle lotus]

The Pug Scene is abselutely ridicolous... I very barely get an inv with 2.8 i.O and 526 to 7s and 8s. I dont get it.

[steel furnace]

8's lot of people apply just to fill vault, i've found similar that applying to 10+'s i have a higher chance to get in

[sonic vapor]

What is arms prio in aoe? Haven't played arms in over a year

[hallow turtle]

with SS up MS on 4 or under, cleave 5+. Without SS MS on 3 or under and cleave on 4+ if i remember correctly

[sonic vapor]

Do I whirlwind on cd?

[reef glade]

pretty much

[sonic vapor]

on st?

[reef glade]

Stuff like Rend about to fall off prolly but more important

St is mortal strike off cd always

Overpower/ww typically next two most important buttons

but I think u rather spam op charges than ww unless you’re in cs to try and get 2 ww’s off in it for large Tom gaming

[sonic vapor]

alr

[hallow turtle]

You don't run ToM in m+ so the 2 WW not such a big deal as it is in raid. OP is super important because of DN being a lot of your AoE

pretty much I only use WW to get a proc of OP then use the OP

TC to keep rend up or if WW is on cds for another OP proc

[copper summit]

screaming inside and out.. my 16key dropped all the way to a 12

[eternal vortex]

Sounds like a typical pug experience

[copper summit]

ulda pissing me off lol

[eternal vortex]

Ulda stinks

[copper summit]

ahh just droped to a 11

[eternal vortex]

i just timed 14

xdd

[copper summit]

ugh that just made me sad and happy lol

just ulda killing me

next week going to get a lot of i.o

[slow saddle]

Unless u wanna a prio a certain target🤣

[latent hull]

Reminds me when my 25 vortex pinnacle dropped to a +20 or 19

We were so close to timing the +25

Bit the tank was bad

Idk how i got a bad tank at a +25 especially vortex

[thorny ibex]

I miss Vortex I liked doing the spell reflects

[latent hull]

Pugs always interrupt the adds tho

They interrupt when the thing is on u but dont when it isnt

[thorny ibex]

Ik so annoying, Bc I always pug dungs since the Guild I'm in doesn't really push keys more than+8 (still do). So ye I get it.

[potent dome]

Guys this 2 trinkeds can work together or am trolling hard?

[boreal quartz]

Works

Not ideal if no one else has either of them

[daring heron]

<@&257983573498265600>

i should totally click this link so i can buy nioh on steam

[dull siren]

@sage badge

F o B

I fucked up so hard I didn't have puzzle box bound

@daring heron

rate this opener

0.5 > 0.8

[daring heron]

i think the pummel makes it better

9/10

[dull siren]

Charge kick the caster

so it comes in

[slender sonnet]

@dull siren when will I procure the box of puzzles

[dull siren]

never

[slender sonnet]

phew

[dull siren]

it was hella fun to play

FoB tho

[slender sonnet]

I thought I was gonna run more keys

[sage badge]

[thorny ibex]

I tried sim my Arms warrior with patchwerk bosses up to 5 bc I want to do more aoe dmg but I'm not quite sure if this is the trinket I want, I do keys m+ 9 to 11 has some1 actually tried this. feel like the puzzlebox is better.

[halcyon breach]

Use puzzle + a passive stat stick

Don't bother with boon

[thorny ibex]

ye I'm reading and I also can't move while I use it man that's suicide

[boreal quartz]

correct

[stable plume]

is augury rlly that bad for m+?

[teal fossil]

Not great for arms

[stable plume]

is chromatic worth using if u dont get it fully stacked?

[modest cape]

what is the best open rotation with puzzle box?

[dire hinge]

Precast it before your other cooldowns. It lasts 30 seconds and your longest CD is 20, so you have plenty of time to do whatever opener you want

[modest cape]

what would be the most judicious open after casting the puzzle box ?

[astral yarrow]

judicious is such a funny choice in that context

but it depends on what build you're playing

[modest cape]

In mm+ with all CD ?

[boreal remnant]

rank 1 eranog damage

[copper summit]

Idk how yall doing that much dmg when my team just deletes the adds

[boreal remnant]

I mean overall I got rank 4

but boss damage was rank 1

[boreal quartz]

Kill boss in 10 seconds and crit

[latent hull]

Also augvokers

[wicked aurora]

Press trinket then press CDs

It’s honestly pretty straight forward

[astral yarrow]

yeah i got that part from your earlier messages. Are you playing double or single bladestorm, are you playing a hybrid build taking cleave?

[dull siren]

i thought u sent a relevant boss in dms

OMEGALUL

[boreal remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-anime-girl-gif-19635703

[steel furnace]

is a charge / heroic throw macro a bad idea? Not sure how much threat it generates, enough to take aggro off a tanks trash hit in mythic+ or raid boss pull?

[dire hinge]

so both of those spells are only castable at range and both are on the GCD. You can give it a shot by all means, nobody can stop you, but usually you see double-binds like that handle different states of combat. For example:

/cast Charge
/cast Victory Rush```
- You can never cast Charge if you're in melee range
- You can never cast Victory Rush from a distance

i'd worry about the consequences of Charge/Throw happening if you assumed one would cast but the other went off instead

ie: charging into a mob when you just tried to range tag it-- or you expected to rush into melee but instead your guy just kinda stands there

[steel furnace]

Right totally understandable, but since heroic throw has a larger distance then charge, and the charge is the only spell I'm caring about (heroic throw for min-maxing) i doubt that would matter, especially using /cast charge first for range in the macro, just wondering if the ability itself heroic throw actually did substantial threat that can fuck you up basically

[dire hinge]

shouldn't no, it also does an incredibly small amount of DPS

[steel furnace]

Yea for sure its like 19k crits i think when i tested

But hey, every bit might count 👀

[dire hinge]

tbh i unbound it

i haven't missed it for some time

[steel furnace]

i havent had it bounded but thought hey maybe can just add it to charge, shrugging irl

[real flint]

I could only see heroic throw used to min/max when you're forced to disengage from your target because of a mechanic (big aoe in melee, boss jumping away etc.)
And at that point you generally don't want to charge the boss. So even if you could use them at the same time, i would not recomend doing so.
I have a seperate bind for throw, and hamstring macroed with charge for the same reason vitory rush was suggested above

[wary raft]

I put it on a double modifier bind bc im not doing anything else when im not in melee

and its on something thatd id never ever want to use rotationally

[main summit]

struggling with arms in ST, do we want to be sending MS on cd regardless of stacks? using TC and WW to spend rage with OP just as filler?

or should i be only MS when i have two stacks from overpower

[wary raft]

send ms on cd

[main summit]

still learning arms, at what point would i send bladestorm in mythic plus? say just on bosses

[wary raft]

you bladestorm just before using warbreaker iirc

roar -> BS to build hurricane-> warbreaker then back to normal rotation

[main summit]

so on pull?

before or after getting rend on targets

[wary raft]

after

also see the edit I made I typed it in the wrong order

wowhead guide has a good breakdown for the opener, and rotation if you need a visual reference

[main summit]

When it says overpower, no need to micro manage charges. Are they talking about the buffed cleave and ms?

[wary raft]

no

its talking about how there is more than 1 charge of overpower, and there is no need to micromanage or think about charges

[main summit]

Right ok so just send it, when would one prioritise two stacked ms or cleave?

[wary raft]

you send mortal strike on cooldowsn

do not think about the buff to it

if mortal strike is up, you press it

[main summit]

Same in aoe im assuming, just send cleave?

[wary raft]

I believe that depends on the build you are playing, but if you are playing bladestorm build yeah u can just send it on cd

if u scroll a bit further, theres is the same list but for aoe

[main summit]

My aoe feels more or less fine, just st I’m lacking

[wary raft]

yeah a lot of people tend to overthink martial prowess stacks for arms when learning ST

you just kinda brain off and dont think about it haha

[main summit]

Press the buttons ook ook?

[wary raft]

exactly

if anything just pull up the wowhead priority list, have it on a 2nd monitor and smack a dummy for ~20m and youll have it down

[main summit]

Just doing 10s for practice, even as a brainlet I’m 550k overall

Coming from a prot main

[wary raft]

yeah arms fuck good

[latent hull]

Just wait 4 weeks

[wary raft]

im a fury main anyways

[main summit]

Fury much easier than arms haha

[latent hull]

Arms is still easy tho

[wary raft]

yeah both are pretty brain off

a lot of people overthink it because button bloat currently but

[latent hull]

Arms u have to think a bit more bout rage next expac atleast

[wary raft]

would have to think about it more now if they didnt buff overpower 15 times and instead buffed slam or anything else that spends rage

[eager bridge]

Keep slam unbinded and spec works better

[steel furnace]

when slam is the only button you can press

[frigid lava]

I press slam when I don't want to spend x2 stack OP on cleave.

[latent moss]

me when a filler is used like a filler

[paper gulch]

Wasting it bud. Cleave already does more damage than slam without anything. Read the tool tip.

You should always use your op stacks when ms is on cooldown and dance inbetween.

[strange perch]

he is not wrong though you dont want to spend martial prowess on cleave during ST tho

[paper gulch]

If mortal strike is on cooldown and you overpowered twice, and it STILL didnt reset your mortal strike and saved it to slam, you are talking about 6 seconds. Mortal strike should have been available at that point. Especially if you have proper gear and high haste.

Its an extra button with no value. If youre fighting a boss and have cleave, its either mythic plus or a non single target fight anyway. Slam does not need to be pressed and has no value because those builds do not have the slam buffing talents.

[strange perch]

im only talking about spending martial prowess man

u dont spend it on cleave during ST

thats it

if u have 2 stacks of martial prowess and MS is on cd u dont press cleave

ur better off pressing tc slam whatever

u prio cleave if u have 0 martial prowess stacks over those though

[gaunt owl]

can avoid it easily yep

[paper gulch]

If you read what i wrote im saying the same thing. Two overpowers? Overpower resets mortal strike. How long could you possibly be saving it for? Send it.

[strange perch]

u lose dmg if u spend 2xMP on a cleave instead of an MS though

[paper gulch]

What is the cooldown for your mortal strike?

[strange perch]

i mean the dude is obviously saying if MS is on CD no?

[paper gulch]

If you have 2 overpowers and ms isnt coming up in half a second idk what to tell you

If youre saving half a second to use slam and ms sits there on a global, then?

[strange perch]

or u can just not press anything just dont spend it on a cleave

[sacred zodiac]

3 gcds between ms king

[paper gulch]

Not what im saying king

[strange perch]

to be fair it is what ur saying though

[sacred zodiac]

how are you arriving in a state where you ms, then op twice, but then have to decide on a half global whether to slam or not

[paper gulch]

To be fair what im saying is that if you overpowered twice and you were properly geared, MS would not have enough time left to spend on a slam. If it did then you would have enough time to overpower two more times with tactician. Its not what im saying at all.

Cleave does more damage than slam and if you have the adequate time, regardless of prowess, cleave would do much more damage single target

[latent moss]

wait how do u not have 3 gcds in between

[strange perch]

no.

and it is 3gcds between

cleave does more dmg than slam but MS does more dmg with those MP stacks if u waste them on a cleave u lose dmg

[latent moss]

good habit moving into tww

where ms is 50% of ur damage

[sacred zodiac]

you need like 200% haste or smth like that for it to not be 3 gcds between

[latent moss]

ye thats what i was thinking

[paper gulch]

Lol okay bro. Whatever you say.

Youre not reading whats being said

Im not gonna keep repeating it.

[strange perch]

kk

[latent moss]

there is no world where u send cleave with mp stacks on st

people are just trying to find ways to take shit off their bars

you can adjust the apl and check it yourself

[paper gulch]

Well when cleave activates your set bonus and gives you the bonus damage as well, it becomes a natural, obvious choice. If you overpower twice and still dont have mortal strike coming up and have over a second left, chances are that cleave with the amplifiers still does more damage in that window. Not to mention that if you do have over a second left, your toon likely does not have enough haste to compensate the CDR of the ability. My mortal strike has below 4 second cooldown, meaning two globals and its back up. Its a gamble at the end of the day. I have never seen a moment where i had 2 mp stacks and didnt have MS available or with less than a second till it came up.

And if you’re playing bladestorm with merciless bonegrinder, it becomes even more valuable than slam.

[latent hull]

on bosses with 2 op stacks i dont think u should waste it on cleave

press thunderclap or something

[paper gulch]

Sure but slam is so weak without talents. I dont ever 2 mp cleave on st but i do cleave x1 if ms is on cd. Works really well.

[dire hinge]

you want to avoid ever pressing Cleave in single target directly because it consumes your Overpower buffs, and the amplified damage it does on MS is far more than it does on Cleave + the "extra" GCD you need to spend

[paper gulch]

Again, i know. But cleave 0 > slam still under bladestorm spec.

[dire hinge]

for sure, it's also only a difference of 6k damage at that point, which is pretty insignificant

if you're only ever Cleaving with no MP buffs it's an extremely small gain, vs never pressing Cleave in ST and you never run the risk of accidentally consuming a MP stack

tomato/potato at that point

[paper gulch]

A gain is a gain at the end of the day.

But yes. Tomato/potato

[latent moss]

i still dont get how u only have 2 gcds between each ms

[paper gulch]

If you read what i wrote, i said my MS either resets after two overpowers or has UNDER a second left.

Maybe i have good rng. Idk what to tell you. I am also running void cloak

My ms CD without any haste buffs is 3.94.

[copper summit]

The amount of times I’ve been wb before avatar is starting to annoy me just going to put it on a macro

[boreal quartz]

its minimal