arms

[slender sonnet]

You fixed her

[boreal quartz]

@slender sonnet there's no way I out sim u xd

[slender sonnet]

Well

[boreal quartz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kyDMk5jhdrATn7KTaT3DPQ so uppies + 2 bullions is 440

[slender sonnet]

Clearly you do

[boreal quartz]

I do if i send crests

[slender sonnet]

I have pips

[boreal quartz]

But i have criminal person gear

[slender sonnet]

I just use augury

[boreal quartz]

Cuz no icon nor brand nor myth anvil

Or cloak

[slender sonnet]

Idk what I sim with with pips

[sacred zodiac]

Pips deadge

[slender sonnet]

Pips was 1k for my on my last droptimiser

But that was with 528 instead of 535 augury

Also human diff

[boreal quartz]

I have gotten criminal trinket luck

Also bought rings after lego cuz cba

[boreal quartz]

Human to velf is not large

[slender sonnet]

I lost like

3k

Going troll to velf

Sry 2k

[dull siren]

can probs do more @slender sonnet but lazy

[slender sonnet]

Thanks boo I appreciate you

[slender sonnet]

Also rip angyuwu

[boreal quartz]

Why did u rename it

HUHHH

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4Qrt33MB2Y5vaiAawPpZrt

@slender sonnet

dont take shit from him

[slender sonnet]

[sacred zodiac]

where is angyuwu

[slender sonnet]

Cause it now matches

[slender sonnet]

Retired to a good home

[sacred zodiac]

are they safe

are they alright

[slender sonnet]

Yes

They have their feet up and they’re relaxing

[quasi torrent]

her three

[boreal quartz]

Cape is 7k for me and he's dead in the water again

[slender sonnet]

I’m dead in the water anyway

[boreal quartz]

But ur not at work thus winning

[slender sonnet]

I’m at work

Rn

[boreal quartz]

Oh wtf

[boreal quartz]

But but but

[slender sonnet]

He can relax now

[boreal quartz]

[slender sonnet]

[woven wasp]

[silent gazelle]

yo, which buff should i take for my Ominous? Doing m+ and raids

tried to check it from Critcake, but cant see it on logs

in buffs etc

[eternal vortex]

you want to sim with the OCE buff string

[silent gazelle]

so i need 5x quick sims?

[rugged wave]

copy=Bronze
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=bronze
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/emerald/obsidian/ruby

copy=Emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/obsidian/ruby

copy=Obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/ruby

copy=Azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=bronze/emerald/obsidian/ruby

copy=Ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/obsidian

Put this under your /simc in an advanced sim

[silent gazelle]

oh thanks

[rugged wave]

Don't thank me thank the copy paste buttons

[eternal vortex]

yeah go to the advanced option in raidbot then copy ur simc

[silent gazelle]

should i paste it here?

[eternal vortex]

then paste that string

u need to copy ur character simc

then copy and paste oce string

[silent gazelle]

ok nmv im in advanced

for aoe, are u using dungeon slice or like 10/5 patchwerks for 2min or maybe something else?

[frigid lava]

sohpic or wafting

[silent gazelle]

wafting, everything tells its the best

[frigid lava]

yea same

[rugged wave]

I'm using personally dslice or two patchwerks - one 5 targets and one 1 target

But I'm only doing m+

If you're raiding as well just send patchwerk 1target

[wind vault]

Would You say neltharions or augury for mythic plus as second trinket? My first is pips

[somber lance]

What key level you doing?

Puzzle box+stat stick is my favourite

(Stat stick can be icon, oce or pips)

[silent gazelle]

Ominous

Top players are playing Puzzle Box + Ominous

[kind sonnet]

ominous only if you won't pug and everyone has it

[rugged wave]

Top players are playing ominous probably because they focus on raiding? Is my guess

Ominous is mid in keys I feel I've been inspecting a lot of people in pug keys and not a lot of OCEs there

But yeah I'd farm puzzlebox

I'd you don't have anything else to spend on then Nelth for fun keys

[somber lance]

OCE has the flexibility of providing your best stat at any given time

When i bought it, it was still performing better than icon or pips, simming all options with 0 buffs

[nocturne zenith]

Exactly, OCE does not sim better in many cases, but the convenience is great

[sacred zodiac]

you need shite from raid if you wanna push keys shrug

and alternatives that always work in m+ like pips arent really high on the prio list

[eternal vortex]

idk it simmed the highest to me regardless what I did

[sacred zodiac]

do you have allies enabled?

[eternal vortex]

nope but still it simmed the highest

[sacred zodiac]

against what?

[eternal vortex]

Dslice

[sacred zodiac]

with no allies oce is kinda garbo against competetive trinkets

yeah dslice is a bit unreliable for trinket results

[eternal vortex]

i have both icon and oce and it told me oce>icon

[sacred zodiac]

if you're gonna trust dslice for trinkets then you should be using irideus+signet is the highest simming setup afaik

[eternal vortex]

both no ally buffs

i also did patchwork 5/10

still the same

[sacred zodiac]

if you think the sims you were doing are accurately modeling the content you're doing then trust the result

i personally find aoe sim trinket results a bit misleading most of the time

[eternal vortex]

yup thats why im using oce atm but i did not sim with oce no alley buff vs icon with dps+healer

prob should try that

[sacred zodiac]

you're probs fine to just stick pbox oce

[eternal vortex]

off topic but any1 bought the epic edition for TWW

if u buy it, do u get the access to the beta on june 5th?

[nocturne zenith]

Epic is the best one?

[eternal vortex]

yeah

the most expensive one

[nocturne zenith]

Yes

U get beta

[eternal vortex]

it's only the epic editions right?

[nocturne zenith]

Yes

[eternal vortex]

ahh thnx

[somber lance]

That’s how they get you

You can also play the actual game 3 days early

(Despicable goblin practices)

[eternal vortex]

3 days hmm

[latent moss]

(there is no content)

except leveling alts

[eternal vortex]

does blizz ever fck up the early access?

[boreal quartz]

There's never been any

This a novum of cringe

[visual fern]

@hexed saddle we're so back

[nimble basin]

Feeling like OCE was a bad purchase for me. Very rare people even seem to have it in my groups at like 14s or so. It's still fine without allies but ye, nelths maybe better in my situation.

[sacred zodiac]

if your goal is to push, ctc is an awful idea lol

[eternal vortex]

yeah cuz u take 5% more dmg which u dont wanna do esp pushing for keys

[nimble basin]

Simmed really well for me, and doesn't rely on any form of syngery with other people. I.e. if you pug a lot.

[sacred zodiac]

5% damage amp while its active and you have no control over when it procs

5% damage taken amp*

[nimble basin]

I'm aware mate, still think it would be better than an OCE with no allies in most runs.

[sacred zodiac]

if a 5% damage taken amp is not a factor to you then it doesn't matter, pick what sims best

[gray steeple]

But other trinkets better than ctc for that scenario

[nimble basin]

pips? probably.

[somber lance]

5% damage is a lot dude

[nimble basin]

I think you're missing the point, but its cool.

[somber lance]

that’s why no one plays cloak in m+ either

[nimble basin]

I think there will be a lot of people picking up the cloak next bullion buy lol.

Then again, it depends what key lvls you do.

[somber lance]

yeah to parse in raid

Not to push keys wtf

[nimble basin]

14/15s? cloak is fine.

'push' keys is different for many people.

[somber lance]

yes of course it’s all relative

[nimble basin]

All my point was is that, pretty much most groups I'm in there's no OCE, 1 if im lucky. So it feels a bit wasted. That's all I said initially. That I should've probably gone elsewhere, whether pips or ctc etc.

that's on me ofc.

[somber lance]

I think pips is super solid if you never have any buffs

[daring heron]

when i first got oce, it was simming higher than pips and ctc even without buffs

[somber lance]

yeah for me too crit. That’s why i never looked back

[daring heron]

with my current gear pips sims like 1k higher than 0buff oce so no big deal

[somber lance]

I just sim and change the secondary stats when my gear changes

[nimble basin]

yeah mate, I think it was like a 2k difference for me. Fair point, isn't really a big deal I guess.

[indigo sluice]

I have icon (509), anvil (515), but recently looted the puzzlebox. From sims I can see that icon really only works if other people have it, but I'm only joining pugs and raiding with random groups too, is it best to just switch it with puzzlebox and go with that and anvil? Rather than praying people in my group also have icon so that it performs?

[olive nest]

My pips is exactly the same

[indigo sluice]

ah i can see its the same sort of talk above this

[boreal quartz]

Anvil is cringe thus dont play it outside of raid

So you just Box icon

That's fine

[indigo sluice]

ooo okay

[halcyon breach]

Playing on my paladin has given me newfound hatred for trinkets that drop out of combat

[daring heron]

palas really "enjoy" anvil dont they

[halcyon breach]

yeah it's a very fun and cool trinket

Especially with pug tanks

[wintry scroll]

just kill rats

problem fixed

[daring heron]

critters are gone because of shadowpriests abusing plink

thanks shadowpriests

[wintry scroll]

fuking priests ruining everyone’s life

[boreal quartz]

I play with this ape pala every now and then and he's legit jumped into last boss AV before tank is there and wiped me and him + reset boss

Cuz i leapt down

Holy fuck ur trash at the game and do zdps ur trinket is not worth JACK SHIT

Not tilted u are

[hazy flower]

skb moment

[boreal quartz]

It's shortee than skb

I hate that guy specifically tho

[north hollow]

Hello all. I try ta play war and I have a question : you use Cleave and Mortal Strike on CD, or ONLY when have 2 stacks of Martial Prowess ?

[halcyon breach]

Anvil does way too much damage on Ret for no reason so I get him wanting to extend it but bozo behaviour

Just pop down a doll and use Wake of Ashes on it xd

[hazy flower]

what dolls can u use mid key

sturdy love fool doesnt work

[halcyon breach]

Worn Doll works

Cringe thing is you gotta use an AoE attack to hit it

[halcyon breach]

MS on ST and if there's a prio target is on cooldown, Cleave you'd press at 5 or higher targets with 2x Martial Prowess

[hazy flower]

ah I was thinking about something to extend my skb on if I fuck up (so usually)

[halcyon breach]

Yeah idk about SKB pretty sure it's just gg if the tank doesn't pull fast enough or too much downtime

[hazy flower]

u have 30 sec to activate it

or 45 if you prepare for it

or rather 43 realistically if you min max

[halcyon breach]

The only dungeon I can immediately think of with that downtime would be Algethar, or Brackenhide ig?

RLP also when you're going up from 1st boss

Seems pretty lenient

[hazy flower]

rlp and nokhud

[halcyon breach]

Oh yeah Nokhud is gg

Have blocked that dung out of my memory

[hazy flower]

Not sure what top players do there I've seen mixed plays

sometimes they just land and extend while others just disregard it completely

[finite mantle]

😔

[visual fern]

Wings crit

#sinsOfDoS

[steep osprey]

Skill issue

[halcyon breach]

I have thought similar things with Anvil but my lips are sealed

[halcyon breach]

One day Reck will affect external damage sources and we will be happy again surely ( )

[daring heron]

qrva keeps saying he will "never use this shit trinket again" and then re-equips it 2 runs later

[halcyon breach]

When it does as much damage as it does, even in packs, it's hard to say no to it..

Even if it's one of the most ass experiences trying to maintain it in some runs

[daring heron]

play with protcake and maybe type in chat to make me make anvil friendly plays

@ornate eagle can confirm this works

[halcyon breach]

I've asked to play with Protcake many times but not once has he pinged me 57 times in one millisecond to join him..

[ornate eagle]

real

[ivory quartz]

LF AnvilFriendly™️ tank

[daring heron]

[ornate eagle]

anvil is pawg

very easy to extend

[gaunt owl]

its easy yeah

isnt the buff 1 min ?

[daring heron]

the buff is 15s when leaving combat

cd 1 min

[gaunt owl]

if you have 15 sec of downtime

flame the tank

[halcyon breach]

Tbf

If you get good at not pressing it because the on-use does zero damage anyway

You can in a lot of cases maintain it just fine between packs

[hazy flower]

does soem uncapped dam but yeah should just hold

play it smart

[hexed saddle]

[gaunt owl]

problem is with pug tank

they are so unpredictable

[halcyon breach]

Worst I've had so far is when I'm the only person who can ress, the healer is dead, and I CR them so we can just keep going

And then they decline the ress

Into me CR'ing again where they accept

[visual fern]

Still struggle making a full fist at times cuz I slacked on my PT, so prob a few more weeks till we hit complete recovery

But I dont need to make a fist to play wow

[ornate eagle]

be the pug tank you want to see in your life

but also a life lesson to keep your anvil

if the tank is being slow and lazy

pull for the tank at 1sec remaining of your anvil

[gaunt owl]

i only get shield loot for tmog and never use them

i really dont like prot gameplay

[halcyon breach]

I can't really avoid the allegations of playing prot warrior when 2x Gholak drops and multiple shields in our reclears

[gaunt owl]

for tmog and crystal

[rare kite]

send em to the paladins

[daring heron]

prot gameplay fun

pretty simple tho

it's fast, it's fun

[gaunt owl]

its so spammy

last time i did it was in legion prot

it was really different with IP and artefact ability

[daring heron]

legion prot i enjoyed too, also fast paced

[rare kite]

tanks are fun to play in m+, i like all of them except prot pala

[gaunt owl]

but you didnt spam IP as much

it was working in a weird way too

i'm bad at prot because i cant judge properly how to use my defensive

[visual fern]

The only tank I dont like is protw...

I could be horribly off with this take but every time I played it, other than bfa s4, the pacing just feels inconsistent(?) or choppy(?)

Though I also havent played protpal... maybe its a shield thing

[left talon]

Prot warrior owns

[digital bay]

Hey guys, noob question here. regarding overpower stacks to MS, do i always want 2 stacks of OP before hitting MS outside of execute phase?

[boreal quartz]

No

Ms on CD

[digital bay]

No i am not supposed to ever think about the stacks?

[old urchin]

No the stacks are nice but if MS resets cd or the cd is up then you press MS.

[craggy owl]

Good to know.

[old urchin]

Changes during execute if you have executioner’s precision then you want the two stacks.

But above that HP MS is king and you press it always on cd

[digital bay]

Aight. So what about cleave in AOE situations, do i go 2 stacks on Martial Prowess ?

[old urchin]

IIRC for pure AOE you want to press cleave on CD also. If you’re putting prio damage into something that needs to die fast then pressing OP twice is more prio damage. Someone linked the percentages a while back I can’t remember exactly.

[halcyon breach]

It was 1%~ AoE loss to 2x OP -> Cleave for a 4%~ ST gain

But it's only really meaningful if you're doing high enough keys where minor optimisations matter

[digital bay]

Okay, thanks 🙂

Oh, last question. Is cleave higher prio then MS in AOE?

[halcyon breach]

MS is prio at 2 targets without SS, 4 targets with SS, anything outside of that is Cleave

Although a lot of packs do have a prio target, where you'd keep MS'ing into said prio target

[craggy owl]

I have a question. I'm playing MoP Remix and Rend is getting auto applied by MS . I have the Bloodletting talent but it states it only applies Rend, if I have it, at 35% health or below. If I open up with MS it applies/resets Rend every time I use MS. I'm not complaining I just don't know how it's happening.

[digital bay]

So basically almost always MS before cleave? 😄

[halcyon breach]

Bloodletting is buggy in open world if that's where it's happening

Otherwise you might be sweeping a target that's less than 35% HP, which applies Rend to both targets

[craggy owl]

Oh interesting

Thanks so I've primarily been seeing a bug then. Cool

[halcyon breach]

Essentially yes, I don't know the exact % difference between just spamming Cleave vs MS, but killing a priority target is very often the most valuable thing to do

[digital bay]

Roger ^^

[swift crown]

I only really remember Antorus Prot gameplay

but god damn did you spam IP

And Shield Slam because it had no CD

[gaunt owl]

i only played for ToS tier

we need a loremaster on that one

[slow saddle]

... tindral reprog tonight....

[rare kite]

he's pretty chill after the latest nerfs no? not done him after the last nerf, but the one before that personally but he was pretty easy then

[slow saddle]

Ye but we got new healer team😅, and no more easy of freedom

[rare kite]

go gnome for the racial

[frigid lava]

playing low M+ as prot... fun

[slow saddle]

Ir dorf🤣

[slow saddle]

I totally agree. But we are a low ranking mythic guild( as in we spend most tier getting fyrakk down)

[olive nest]

Took us about 1.75 raid nights for the guild I’m with to get it down again, we also had a handful of people on different roles “relearning” a few things

[slow saddle]

same

[olive nest]

It’s significantly less punishing now I bet you guys will get it!

[slow saddle]

yeah, best part

our raidleader isnt here

so NO calls either

😄

[olive nest]

Honestly it’s dispels, grab seeds, dodge beams and you win

[slow saddle]

yeye

[granite night]

fellas

how do u sim arms for m+

like baseline and then feel crafty

[somber lance]

sim ST

then change your trinkets

usually 1 stat stick plus box

you can change your gems for m+ if you sweat

then change to 5T sim

[granite night]

patchwerk 1t 5mins ?

[somber lance]

yeah

[granite night]

isnt it a good idea to sim 8 targets ?

[somber lance]

8 targets?

no no

5m 5t is the other one you should look at

[granite night]

aight

just tought 8 cuz of the aoe cap

[teal fossil]

@boreal quartz

[somber lance]

but honestly

[teal fossil]

yuno miles going on tour

you europoors will never know the feeling of seeing yuno miles live

[somber lance]

i would honestly just bother with 1T 5m

[minor gust]

who

[somber lance]

and then change trinkets

[granite night]

it says Cataclysmic Signet Brand over incarnate

hm

[gray steeple]

Brand is only good on 4+ minute fights. Keep that in mind

[somber lance]

right one thing to take into account

is for m+

dont go for anvil or signet

because it's based on how your tank pulls

and so those trinkets might "oversim"

just go for a stat stick and puzzle box

[minor gust]

or be a giga chad and run double stat stick

[somber lance]

its probably better with 2x528 sticks tbh

my box only 522

[granite night]

wtf is a stick

[somber lance]

i have not been graced by the vault gods

[granite night]

u mean essence and incarnate ?

[somber lance]

yeah and pips

raw stats

[granite night]

oh u mean passives

ahaa

[olive nest]

1t 3min with lust
6t 1min without lust
10t 40sec with lust
consistent aoe just sim anything from 6 to 9 targets for like 6+ minutes

These are only for points of reference

[granite night]

yeah thanks

i needed some baseline

[olive nest]

IMO gear full ST

[minor gust]

ive checked out of this season awhile ago havent done keys in weeks only raid log been rocking essence and augury

[quasi torrent]

get help

[olive nest]

ST times keys

[somber lance]

lmaooooo

the fucking m+ sims

[olive nest]

Don’t need help that’s a copy pasta from nome

[granite night]

im seeing all m+ arms use puzzle + essence

[olive nest]

[somber lance]

yes mate that's the go to

[olive nest]

Chatter chatting

Smh

[somber lance]

in raid too

puzzle is just insane

its 30s also

lasts for all your CD

[granite night]

thank god arms doesnt use tome

i would kms i had to farm that again

[olive nest]

Puzzle box performs but casting as melee

[somber lance]

its fine

[olive nest]

(I do it)

[sacred zodiac]

casting (2s channel prepull)

[somber lance]

use it before the boss

or the pull

if i use it mid pull i fucked up somehow

it happens to me tho

[olive nest]

You gotta re cast it in raid if you’re running it

That’s more what I was getting at

[somber lance]

yeah but guess what

lego is also a cast

and its annoying af

[olive nest]

Real

Can’t wait to demolish every 25 seconds

[minor gust]

[granite night]

my war is an alt

doenst have lego

😉

[minor gust]

dont worry last minute before beta ends they will remove the root from demolish

insider info

[olive nest]

Pls ION!

Don’t root me

[somber lance]

idk why demolish is even a thing

[olive nest]

FFS

[somber lance]

is it flavour for lego

[minor gust]

it feels like we got the short end of the stick and blizz was like eh well give the lego to warriors and give all the cool new nice things to dk and ret

[somber lance]

idk slayer and mountain thane look pretty cool

[minor gust]

idk they all feel mid af to me

I thought Slayer would look cool with the BS procs but eh

I still say the size increase from Col should be something silly like 20% and not 5%

something actually noticeable

[granite night]

yo blazebinder hoofs sims good for my alt in multi target

is it the move for now ?

[reef glade]

it’s a strength on use stat stick most of those “sim well” probably

compared to what

[somber lance]

isn't 5% what we gain from avatar

the size thing

i actually dont like to be fat

[granite night]

i got incarante essence signet

[reef glade]

yea signet not very good for aoe

unless u pull around

So hoof would prolly be better yes but like a puzzle box might be more ideal

if u can get lucky with that

[granite night]

ill play incarnate/essence hoof until i get puzzlebox for now

[reef glade]

yar

[granite night]

i feel like i inted with the incranate bullion purchase

but atleast its good for raid :?

[reef glade]

Eh I mean oce typically better since u can choose your stats and picking it with crit is close enough to icon

icon is fine tho

[granite night]

fuck it

we bal

[somber lance]

that's the spirit

what ilvl are you

it;s likely not to matter too much at this stage

[granite night]

like 5 HUNNID

[somber lance]

sick

[granite night]

idk i almost maxed out my lock

and nothing beats listening to breaking benjamin and slaimming mortal strike

[reef glade]

[somber lance]

about to do AA with aug

and hyper blast

[granite night]

fuckem up

where was the custom essence sim at

[somber lance]

around

here u go friend

copy=Bronze
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=bronze
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/emerald/obsidian/ruby

copy=Emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/obsidian/ruby

copy=Obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/ruby

copy=Azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=bronze/emerald/obsidian/ruby

copy=Ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/obsidian

[granite night]

thanks chief

does bladestorm stack blazehoof ?

it says attacks

[gray steeple]

An easy way to get info without falling into the trap of trying to sim for M+ is do a normal St top gear. Then look at what players are running in your level of keys and adjust trinkets/talents to align close to them. Can even sort by dungeon and/or fort and tyr.

[teal fossil]

test in game but it probably does

[granite night]

ladies and gentleman

it does not stack with bladestorm

[gray steeple]

Both people using Hoof will be happy to know that

[sinful thorn]

What raid trinkets do you boys run with. I have a puzzle box and nelth

[halcyon breach]

Puzzle + OCE

OCE + Signet for long fights like Rasza, Tindral, Sark and Fyrakk on Mythic

You could replace OCE with Icon or Pips, all three options are good, depending on what you have available in your raid

[gray steeple]

Why isn't Augury considered good for Arms? Seems to do solid and consistent damage, isn't on-use, and seems that it would be in Arms' wheelhouse with it's crit effect

[fresh spire]

No mainstat

Also rng can either make it really insane or poop

[gray steeple]

Thanks. That makes sense. Never noticed lack of str on it since it's so good for fury

[surreal wigeon]

wheres the writeup that had the updated when to MS vs cleave im not seeing it in the pins anymore

[quasi torrent]

signet+anvil for fyrakk m8

[halcyon breach]

Basically it's
MS at all times on prio target if any
MS at 2 targets without SS
MS at 4 targets with SS
Cleave at 5+ Targets with 2x Martial/Cleave whenever for 1%~ gain in AoE with 4%~ loss of ST on prio target

[halcyon breach]

I don't have Anvil

Also OCE + Signet simmed better so cba

[quasi torrent]

sad

[astral yarrow]

oce + icon

[halcyon breach]

Very realistic setup

Icon is bad

(For me)

[astral yarrow]

same, but it isnt puzzyb

so its a qol upgrade

[halcyon breach]

I'd just use Pips

Since you can actually always guarantee it's good and wont have to somehow get a healer + tank in your WF group

Unless they changed how Icon works

[astral yarrow]

icon mostly big bad

[surreal wigeon]

thanks! what about with SS does cleave chagne prio/target count

[wind flicker]

Thats the with SS part

[surreal wigeon]

oh sorry didnd't see the final sentence

do i cleave when ss is down in 5+ targetts as well

[obsidian topaz]

Yes

[verbal marten]

the cloak has rlly good uptime

68% in a 22 min key

[teal fossil]

It also has 100% uptime on reducing stamina

[verbal marten]

just dont get hit

[minor gust]

wearing sark cloak in keys

[latent moss]

thane is cool

slayer is mid imo

colossus also cool

[sinful thorn]

How does it feel tho?

Are you rooted when you do the colossus spell?

[latent moss]

yes but its 2s and hasted

its a lot faster than you think

[sage badge]

Arms owns

[copper summit]

lol just notice i have 2 bullions and idk what to spend it on prob shield ring or sarks cape... keys atm are just 1 shots anyways so health really dont mattter

[minor gust]

one shots are when stam matters the most

[copper summit]

yea but if imma get 1 shot might as well go full "zug zug" and get sark cloak lol

or might just go for a transmog

[fringe moon]

anybody have a list of the "rare" mogs that we should prioritize purchasing first in MoP Remix?

[copper summit]

wowhead just posted 2 post about gear and wepons that are avalible for purchase in remix only

[minor gust]

you really dont want sark cloak if ur pushing keys. if your just doing weeklys for vault then yeah u can zug with sark cloak

[copper summit]

just notice this as well i got both rings why is 1 ring u can upgrade to 528 and other u can do 535? is it just becasue diurna late boss?

[minor gust]

yee

[surreal wigeon]

deswind why u so stronk

[stiff jay]

2 charges of OP, MS on cd, full fury, should i OP or dump fury first?

[teal fossil]

op

[stiff jay]

so i dont need to worry about overcapping fury when on 2 charges?

[outer holly]

not ever

Rage management's more a prot/fury thing

[stiff jay]

ty

[nova marsh]

It's rage not fury

Thinking of dh

[halcyon breach]

Would definitely say that Arms has more rage management than Fury right now, although only in Execute

[atomic forum]

hey yall trying to learn arms, is it incorrect to use slam while waiting for overpower and mortal strike to come off cd?

[eternal vortex]

if u have nothing to press then slam is ok to press

[outer holly]

If you're running the ST Slam build then it has second last prio over TC, if you're running any other variant it falls in dead last for prio

[paper dove]

anyone got a nice 4pc buff weakaura?

[snow flame]

Did you mean for fury?

If you meant for arms it’s not really a thing you track it’s just passive

[paper dove]

arent you supposed to keep it up all the time tho

[dire hinge]

it'll be passively kept up mooost of the time if you just follow the rotation

you never hold anything for it being present or not

[eternal vortex]

Depends on dungeons

[frigid lava]

I guess that's the right answer

[eternal vortex]

I cant really vote tbh

[teal fossil]

in general people get stuck on tyrannical

its a bigger wall than fortified

[eternal vortex]

Bring seasonals back

Not a dogshit seasonal tho

[fickle lotus]

Its more challenging in Tyra in Pugs because nobody really knows the Mechanics. Also : Remove Tyra.

[boreal quartz]

I will visit the US then

[brittle pelican]

tyrannical and it's not even close

[hard cedar]

tyrannical boss fights last longer than raid fights

[frigid lava]

Yea but as long as ppl do the mechanic, it's pretty straight forward (not saying its easy)

I don't like the component of fortified mega pull with a whole bunch of random target skills.

I guess it depends on the range of difficulty. High tyrannical can be almost impossible to some.

[hard cedar]

This season Vengence makes it a little easier

[boreal quartz]

Weeklies are harder on fort

Push keys are something else

[hard cedar]

I did a weekly 9av on my priest and made it to last boss with 15 minutes left, ended up going over time 2m45s cause the party leader wouldn't swap to crystals

and he was a fuckin ret paladin

idk how he did so little damage to them

then had a audacity to say "i hope i never group with your two damagers again."

[brittle pelican]

no connection with reality found

[silk spade]

true cause the average player usually knows boss mechanics more than the intricacies of controlling trash

[frigid lava]

agreed

[fast forge]

depents on tank tho, on dh alt you can solo manage most pulls and you just need people to not mess up on bosses so fort gets easier

[dire hinge]

tyran hard because bosses last so long i get sleepy

[teal fossil]

Yeah even in baby keys tyran gets boring

And in high keys you just die to some random mech

Like almost dying to stepping on the worms in underrot

[north meteor]

you never know last aa boss has random targeted cast until it hits you for 800k right after bomb

but then fort is kind of the same ngl

it's only not as much of an issue cause vengeance is so popular so mobs in dungeon don't get to play

but it's also outplayable a lot of the time for both honestly

but idk if standing on a pole in nokhud and going behind a stair on crawth is fun ngl

[boreal quartz]

Or getting gunned down by a longbow

[north meteor]

pew pew

[fickle lotus]

How much pushes us Leggo ? Like if i do rn like 420K in a M+ Dungeon, how much would it been roughly with Leggo ?

[steady plover]

545k+

[fickle lotus]

Wait... THIS much ?

wth

[still fox]

what dungeon what grp? and and and...

what pulls

you can make 800k+

[round gate]

hello all. little question. give it a nice guide vid about the arms warri where i can little look about rota, binding, macros?

[fickle lotus]

yea ofc just wanted a roughly Info. I try to catch up with my Retri Leggo Friend but im always like 30 - 70 K behind overall

[thick kelp]

https://youtu.be/O4MI2zdPB9Y?si=YbLXcdWkPSLME14x

no macros tho

exist

[round gate]

ty

[eternal vortex]

https://youtu.be/XbnOvDSC6Eo?si=z_cyBLmz3JoiZfuw

Jeventes guide helped me a lot as well

[round gate]

thanks

[boreal quartz]

Keybinds is also ur pref

Wont find guides on that tbh

[eternal vortex]

Quazii has a keybind vid if you wanna check that out

[round gate]

i check this aswell. thanks for the help

[quasi torrent]

yes but no

some binds are objectively bad

[daring flicker]

Meow

[minor gust]

Ppl who use the F keys are psychos

[quasi torrent]

meow

[eternal vortex]

f for flash

[quasi torrent]

good mount binds

also depends on spacing on ur keyboard

mine doesnt have a gay betzween numbers and F keys

[daring flicker]

[sacred zodiac]

It doesnt have a what

[daring flicker]

Your x.com is gone

[quasi torrent]

huh

how tf

did i type gay instead of gap

gg

i will not edit it

so u can revel in my misery

[eternal vortex]

caught

[quasi torrent]

i just told u i wont edit it? xd

[gray herald]

caught !

[eternal vortex]

and wtf is betzween

[quasi torrent]

i wonder what that could mean

[gray herald]

between with a z between

[quasi torrent]

impossible difficulty to find out

[eternal vortex]

amen

[gray herald]

i use f1 for heroic throw

and f2/f3 are focus macros i never press

[quasi torrent]

i used to have F2 taunt for dps specs

when i had a gap between the two rows

[eternal vortex]

just type gay instead of gap

we all understand

[quasi torrent]

its the gay month

(positive)

[snow flame]

It really depends I’ve always thought Tyran is easier unless the dungeon is insanely overtuned with bosses like everbloom last boss. For example Throne was almost impossible to pug on fort 29 but on Tyran a 29 was way easier

[honest girder]

I would agree, the coordination on trash which can wipe a group seems to be more precise than that of a tough boss which usually wipes the individual

[civic isle]

most difficult question WoW ever posed me.

[proud plover]

what kinda anvil uptime we getting in keys? 93% in ulda, kep it 5 stacked the entire run and it still didd less than tamp hooves trinket

[shy tide]

bind a random spell macro to the scrollwheel

unlock it

and spin it

as long as it has OP and MS in there you cant go too wrong with arms

[somber lance]

We dont use anvil in keys

So uptime is 0%

[fickle lotus]

Do we MS before CS in M+ St ?

[misty iron]

damn I thought the best take for both M+ and Raid would be anvil lmao, for boss and prio dmg

[nova marsh]

Probally not

Cuz you'd wonna open with rend, bs, ava and cs, then normal burst

[dire hinge]

(Within keys) if you already have it you can try using it, it’s just a hassle to manage since if you’re out of combat for too long it resets your stacks— and if that ever happens then a different trinket would likely have performed better

It’s still okay by all means, just be aware of its pitfalls (and likely just go farm Puzzlebox)

[proud plover]

i likee the min/max 5 stack mini game

[grizzled plank]

Might be a stupid question but, is there a reason why Storm of Swords is taken in full Raid ST build instead of something like Exhilarating Blows? o.o

[halcyon breach]

Because Storm of Swords makes WW your highest rage spender, which feeds into Test of Might and Anger Management

And you can also choose to pick Exhilarating Blows instead of Bloodborne in ST

On average they're the same, but Exhil has higher highs and lower lows

[left wagon]

Just curious, are you supposed to actually use rend, or clap in ST scenarios

[daring heron]

in almost all cases just clap

spends more rage and guarantees an OP reset

[left wagon]

Thx. Clappies more fun anyways. Also, Arms is such a breath of fresh air, haven't played my Warrior since SL S1. My Outlaw Rogue giving me carpal tunnel, piano syndrome, these big fucking MS hits are juicy

[half token]

What is your pfp from, banezi?

[olive nest]

The animes

[somber lance]

The Bandai profile picture swapping

Is a process we are not ready to explore

[steady plover]

@half token tell him to stop changing his pfp ya perry ya perry just tell him

[halcyon breach]

Twittah artist par0llel

[halcyon breach]

never

[teal fossil]

no way you disrespected raven like that

[half token]

Ok ty banezi. I did not recognize this one at all

[frigid lava]

ah.. 2 more hours?

[boreal quartz]

@teal fossil opinion on the new drake track

Wah gwan Delilah

[teal fossil]

is it poopy pants

dang

havent heard it

poopy pants is a top 10 banger

[boreal quartz]

It's funny

[astral yarrow]

I usually use your pfps to gauge my weebness

[boreal quartz]

And

[halcyon breach]

In the process of watching a very popular show so we'll see if you recognise the inevitably swap

[boreal quartz]

Ive known this guy for 8 years on Discord and he's never pfp swapped ever reverse Benzi

[misty iron]

yeah i have hero PB and then myth anvil, scale and grapnel

[quartz cedar]

Good morning Skyhold!

so last week i got 3 2 handed weapon options in my vault. Since i have the legendary, those were completely wasted options. Switching to fury spec will just add 1 handers as options without taking away the 2 handers. Switching to prot should take 2 handers off the table, but add shields and defensive trinkets into the mix. What loot spec would you do?

stay with arms?

[boreal quartz]

I dont play anything but dps so perma arms

I got given shield in mythic raid for offspec anyways

[frigid lava]

If you play prot... I guess you could set it as fury

[quartz cedar]

a shield was one of your options while your loot spec was arms?

[swift crown]

banezor

when is the Kanroji pfp arc

wait I had stroke

[teal fossil]

he was given one by his group

you should just stay in arms if you arent willing to tank

[gray steeple]

Stay in arms loot spec. Even if you dabble in fury, your only want 2handers. Especially with the leggo already equipped

[astral yarrow]

I think the “newest” thing I’m watching is “sound euphonium”

It’s very slow

[gaunt owl]

thats the first time you said something useful

its gonna snow again

[sacred zodiac]

real

[gaunt owl]

[finite mantle]

[opal folio]

[reef glade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/368825524740554752/1216524072234782791/Herbrickedup.gif

[halcyon breach]

Coincidentally that's exactly the one I'm watching

Midway through S2 rn

[reef glade]

binged ragna crimson in like 3 days

that was pri coo

[frigid lava]

Blizzard just extended maintenance?

[halcyon breach]

Average get rolled NA moment

[finite mantle]

owned

[gaunt owl]

thank you for beta testing the server

so we can have a buttery smooth experience

[hazy flower]

eu is still testing for tw isnt it

so they have the real deal

or do they have same maintenance as us

[hard cobalt]

NA is for bozos

its frustrating to want to be depressed about vault on my wage cage lunch break

[glacial rapids]

As a visual learner is there a decent youtuber that goes over the current roatations/priority?

[manic stirrup]

no

its been 7 to 11

[frigid lava]

thought it was 10

[somber lance]

Jeventes has two guides for s4 arms on youtube

[glacial rapids]

ty

[astral yarrow]

Reina is best girl tbh

[halcyon breach]

Close contender with Asuka

[astral yarrow]

Although she’s kind of a bitch in s3

Oh yeh, asuka also 🐐

Mamiko also kinda bangs late s2 into s3

But it’s like the most slice if life anime I think I’ve watched ever

[halcyon breach]

If drama happens every day maybe yeah

[slender sonnet]

id like to disagree

[astral yarrow]

It’s ok to be wrong mate

[slender sonnet]

I'm glad you can accept that so easily, it's really a measure of your character 🙂

[astral yarrow]

Nah like legit nothing changes between drama stuff. It’s always resolved and we are back to square one

[astral yarrow]

Shit you got me

[slender sonnet]

[paper dagger]

Banezi best girl

[charred brook]

any colorblind gamers here that have issues in melee

i find myself dying to ground swirlies or beams that i can barely see in the clutter

[latent moss]

im not colorblind and i have those issues

[charred brook]

dude it really sucks and i hate to say it cuz it sounds like an excuse4

but sometimes i genuinely dont see shit

[frigid lava]

Me too, not a colorblind and things are way too overloaded.

[gaunt owl]

its just the way melee is

[charred brook]

the problem is like

shits all the same color

[gaunt owl]

people stacked up on top of each other

[charred brook]

im thinking of like fyrakk

[gaunt owl]

do you use the right colorblind option ?

there are plenty

[charred brook]

colorblind options dont seem to help me

it fixes one mechanic and ruins another

[frigid lava]

healthbars... castbars... all kinds of swirlys and spells

[gaunt owl]

there are like 20 colorblinds option

[charred brook]

i was doing tindril and colorblind helped with ground swirlies, made it to where i couldnt see orbs when flying to next platform

lol

[gaunt owl]

cant you do a custom one too ?

[frigid lava]

Yesterday I had aoe and totem circles completely overlapped at bromach (ULD)

wiped XD

I mean... we probably saw it casting but probably a little too slow to register

Now the maintenance is extened 2 more hours.

It was 10 I think.. .then 11 now 1pm

Booo

[dire hinge]

I have issues with low contrast in general (optical disorder), so not colorblind, but yes WoW is a visual accessibility nightmare

[charred brook]

anything you do to help it

AMD settings or monitor settings

[dire hinge]

we had high-contrast swirlies in Shadowlands briefly and then we just kinda... forgot how to apply them to bosses it seems

there was a video from Quazzi a few months ago with some video performance tips, it was mostly aimed at FPS gains, but he did mention a few settings that helped, including boosting the contrast of the game itself and lowering the blackpoint (if i recall correctly). I'll see if i can drum it up for you

[charred brook]

thanks that would be awesome

[dire hinge]

the whole video is quite good, but he specifically talks about Contrast options and its tradeoffs here at 12:21 (timestampped for your viewing pleasure)
https://youtu.be/-vR6nJLLoe4?t=741

[charred brook]

ty i appreciate that!

[dire hinge]

of course! Good luck out there, hopefully accessibility gets some love in the coming months/years under Xbox (save us Tara)

[halcyon breach]

Erga best girl

[hard cedar]

Quazii's videos are so good

damn, I watched that video already and I completely forgot about the contrast slider making it easier to see the edge of swirlies

[dire hinge]

It’s small, but it does help a bit

[gaunt owl]

have fun nuking your fps with some his advice

[latent moss]

[hard cedar]

Like which advice?

[gaunt owl]

kinda everything

try your own stuff

[hard cedar]

???

[gaunt owl]

he got fucking AA set to max

[frigid lava]

servers up

[gaunt owl]

i swear to god you wont look at your character fully zoomed in during a fight to see if you have AA on or not

[smoky kayak]

yep, and still on the weekly Awakened rotation

so it looks like blizz changed their mind without telling anyone (again, lol)

[gaunt owl]

wait tomorrow for bug fix about raid

[frigid lava]

hmmm

[fringe moon]

servers up

[gaunt owl]

blue post with an unexpected bug

[frigid lava]

I think I'm going to take sockets

[zinc garnet]

Hi guys, wondering about cata, does bladestorm and cleave gain anything from cleaving strikes ? Seems like no, but not sure, what is the best thing to do in aoe then ?

Because i can see it does some damage even during bladestorm so im not sure
EDIT: sorry didnt see the cata channel, asked there

[empty terrace]

Is there a % at which crit/haste are no longer the best secondary stats and you start swapping pieces over for more mastery/vers?

Dragonflight ^

[sharp wyvern]

Its when your sims say so

[oblique hamlet]

whatever your sim says

[empty terrace]

doesnt really help with vault tho does it?

can I sim each vault piece

thats the answer I always get, which is obvious lol

But I imagine there's a general rule of thumb

[oblique hamlet]

yes you can once you open vault your simc on raidbots will include vault items in top gear

[empty terrace]

fasho

I just open vault, and copy my simc code?

[oblique hamlet]

👍

[empty terrace]

ty

[oblique hamlet]

rule of thumb is usually 40/40

[left wagon]

Are they still doing 1 Awakened Raid per week or are all 3 Awakened now?

[oblique hamlet]

looks like only vault is awakened this week

[left wagon]

Was hoping they were going to hit them all up on week 7 but I guess they reverted or forgot lol

Probably a post about it somewhere

[burnt quiver]

is every raid awakened now ?

[smoky kayak]

no, they're still on a weekly rotation

[hard cedar]

No one knows. Seems like Blizzard is too busy looking for MoP remix cheese to nerf and Cata bugs to fix to pay any attention to retail lol

[smoky kayak]

No, we do know that they're still on a weekly rotation

Whether or not Blizzard intended that is anyone's guess, but they definitively are still rotating

[hard cedar]

We don't know if it's intended or an oversight though

[smoky kayak]

I would presume that it's probably intended and they just failed to communicate it though

[hard cedar]

I wonder how many guilds are gonna cancel this weeks raid times. maybe just kill a few bosses for rings and icon

[smoky kayak]

doubt it'll matter that much - groups that wanna raid are gonna raid no matter what; groups that don't are probably already on break

it's better for people who want an easy time farming Fyrakk mount though, and there's nothing pushing the players who are raiding to go through three raids in one week either

[hard cedar]

My guild was looking to get the first couple of bosses in each raid to fill out mythic vault options for the people who normally don't get to come.

[gray steeple]

We’ve been doing skip and then going back to finish was we can in a night. Second night is optional for doing remix raids. Tbh, going to expect more people to skip raiding for now as their gearing up hits a plateau.

[smoky kayak]

some guilds keep raiding but drop down to a 1 night schedule or something; it's still useful for trials, some people still want achievements, etc

[ivory quartz]

archi fighting for his life in the comments because blizz never wanted to clarify anything

[smoky kayak]

people just love to bitch

idk, it just means 1 night raid weeks for me, so I'm happy with it lol

[ivory quartz]

some of those comments are unhinged

yeah more free owls 🤷‍♂️

[smoky kayak]

ez fyrakk farm, skip to last boss for achievement, backclear anything people particularly want/need, see ya next week

[gaunt owl]

its a boring season anyway

no prog its w/e

the less we raid the better for me

[prisma heart]

at what point did raidbots stop simming every gem combination and now only sims each type of gem in all the slots? was it DF because we have so many types of gems lol?

[reef glade]

uh probably? Don’t remember if it did that in shadowlands really

but also like when u notice the difference between swapping all types of gems is maybe a few hundred dps I can’t imagine it matters at all if like “oh have all the same gems but swap two of them to some different gem for like 30 dps”

i don’t think it’s gonna mean squat

[round warren]

it matters when there is a huge ilvl disparity

between the slotted items

[reef glade]

From what I understood he’s just talkin about different types of gems at the same time in your top gear

like top gear will only show “high haste verse gem” on EVERY socket

not “some is this stat, some more is this stat, one or two is mast”

etc

[round warren]

oh

there is an option

to show all options

[reef glade]

but essentially I think even if it did do something that specific dps diff would be even more negligible

than just swapping all types of gems

u also can sorta “offset” that same function by simming diff ring enchants

Cuz there a lot less of them to make combinations out of

so say u have all heavy haste gems and haste enchants, instead of “put on a crit gem” you could just put on a crit ring enchant

[prisma heart]

i dont think theres an option to get it to mix gems types in a top gear sim anymore, like u will never see anything other than primary stat gem + all of the same secondary stat gems in each iteration

[round warren]

you mean this ?

[prisma heart]

no

[round warren]

ok

[gaunt owl]

he mean mixing every gem type to try and get the best stats for bucks

so you get 2 haste / versa and 3 mastery/ crit and your main stats one with w/e

[round warren]

oh

[gaunt owl]

thats stuff you can balance with the weapon enchant and ring enchant anyway

we are so far past the DR point anyway

problem is with what 7 gem slots we have

and 14 current gem available

the combination are far far too fucking many

[prisma heart]

ya true

[gaunt owl]

i need a math guy in there

but isnt that permutation ?

i'm too old to remember this shit

i should have kept my book of algebra instead of using it to start a fire

[somber lance]

The guy that does the APL doesn’t know how to math

We are turbo fucked

[gaunt owl]

i dont need to know

the robot do

[smoky kayak]

yes, number of permutations

[gaunt owl]

worst part is remembering in my native langage how its called sometimes

school was too long ago

[smoky kayak]

permutations

[gaunt owl]

thats the fun part sometimes in french its the same name

[smoky kayak]

this is your native language now, get used to it bub

[gaunt owl]

for APL i cheat btw

they did a great wiki

just have to dive in and figure shit out

[outer holly]

French is like creative? Oh that's créative. Man this language is easy. Then suddenly they hit you with quatre-vingt-six pamplemousse and everything goes askew.

[gaunt owl]

you can say huitante six

i'm Swiss from the french region so we dont say stupid shit non sense like them

we try to be reasonable

[outer holly]

And we appreciate you for it

Learning french in Canada taught me to never speak french outside of Canada

[gaunt owl]

you dont have the accent curse at least

i will never be able to get rid of my accent while talking english

[outer holly]

I'm the only Canadian in my guild, trust me when 19 Americans hear a Canadian accent, it's definitely cursed

tabernac

[round warren]

canadians have an accent ?

i thought you spoke the same way as americans

[steep osprey]

Same

[somber lance]

sick, my family is from next to there. you must be close to Geneva

[hexed saddle]

we do

i get made fun of constantly for saying words differently

[steep osprey]

Example?

[outer holly]

We have this tendancy to raise the inflection of our voices at the end of a sentence, it's super obvious once you hear it even if we sound American

[gaunt owl]

its a small country in 2 hours i'm in geneva

[hexed saddle]

about

apparently i say it more like aboot

[outer holly]

Sorry

[somber lance]

french canadian has an extremely strong accent compared to european french let's say

[hexed saddle]

yeah i say sorry weird too apparently

[outer holly]

Anything east of Ontario the accents get weird real quick

Actually northern ontario is pretty funny too

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-sparkles-canada-day-gif-8824616

[hexed saddle]

letterkenny accent is so fucking good

[outer holly]

Like I lived in Sask for maybe 5 years? and the farmer boys out in the boonies really do sound like him

Which is weird cuz it's set in Ontario

[ivory quartz]

its everywhere, even northern newyorkers and vermonters have a similar accent

and the dakotas and minnesota and wisconsin accents are essentially just derivatives of it

[steep osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-to-the-ball-gif-9854202

[outer holly]

They took our accent and set the dial to 11

[reef glade]

lmao blizz when they just lie

6 hour maintenance for what

they probably realized they couldn’t even do it

which is why severs came up earlier than 1pm pst

I mean still prefer it this way easier mounts but crazy they just say “yeah it’ll be this in 6 weeks” and then say nothing on the topic until the 7th week

and then go “lmao jk”

[somber lance]

what the fuck

now they say it's until prepatch?

[outer holly]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-alter-the-deal-empire-strikes-back-star-wars-gif-15971205

[somber lance]

it's wtv i'm not mad

will force my guild to try and full clear every week

instead of the 2/2/2 bullshit

[outer holly]

Yeah I kind of see it as an upside

I was anticipating a massive loss of motivation once all 3 opened

[rapid herald]

It's the "intended" part for me like this was just always the plan

[reef glade]

yea it doesnt actually adversely affect the game

and i think benefits way more people than it hurts

just another annoying instance of blizz flat out lying or if thats too far then just not being transparent enough

like they shouldve mentioned this oh idk, 3 weeks ago

but im sure its a spur of the moment decision after whatever they had to do to make all 3 awakened that was originally on the plan they werent able to do

just passing it off as a "this is how its intended teehee" instead of "we were wrong/messed up/miscommunicated" whatever

[minor gust]

It's all fine with me means we can sell more mythic Fyrakk kills

[left wagon]

How much do M Fyrakk kills go for?

[minor gust]

5 mil for a non awakened kill

[outer holly]

Damn, they didn't cheapen up much since last season did they

[minor gust]

that price might be a lil overblown because It was taking into account that today was supposed to be all awakened raids

so it will prob go down since that changed

[outer holly]

It better, I've taken over as gm since our core fell apart in S3, no shot we're pushing m fyrakk but I wouldn't mind dropping say 2mil for a mount

[minor gust]

if you want I can dm you our discord and u can talk to whoever does pricings and maybe work something out

I dont set anything up im just there to kill it

[tawdry briar]

why does rend application take prio over MS?

[dire hinge]

rend (the bleed, not the spell) does a very high amount of damage for a single GCD so it's good to have it rolling at all times

[tawdry briar]

A clear, concise response? HOW DARE YOU?! haha ty

[dire hinge]

arms discord owns

[tawdry briar]

i'm a rogue refugee. I can confirm

[minor gust]

an Akarii soul victim huh

[tawdry briar]

mostly bloated rogue bars stan

[minor gust]

well I can say for now Arms is pretty bloated aswell

lots and lots of buttons

[tawdry briar]

not too bad

[astral yarrow]

[minor gust]

I havent played much rogue besides a lil outlaw at the start of DF so I cant really compare well

[astral yarrow]

neither are too bad

did progress on both

[tawdry briar]

rogue has too many buttons imo. arms is fine

[astral yarrow]

you can handle a lot of the "bloat" with macros

[dire hinge]

or just not pressing them. Arms has a lot of buttons that dont really get pressed

[astral yarrow]

Shadowstrike and backstab in a single button (although optimally you also have a backstab button cause dance lul)

i just think sub is kinda cringe when the fight isnt smolderon

[teal fossil]

That sounds giga cringe

[minor gust]

dont forget buttons like Dstance and ignore pain pretty good buttons to get used too

Taunt aswell when u get comfortable to taunt spell reflect some bosses

[tawdry briar]

It is. rogue almost needs addons and macros to play well. that's what sucks about it

[astral yarrow]

Its kind of weird. Theres also a debate whether its better to do some scuffy ways to get 2x sectechs into a burst window, secteching outside dance and so on

[dire hinge]

meanwhile the arms opener is like, "ehh just roughly press your buttons in even a remotely okay order and it's fine"

[teal fossil]

Arms not burst

[astral yarrow]

like you could vanish right after sectech in your opener

[teal fossil]

So we can press whatever

[astral yarrow]

if the fight isnt 1:30 or 2:00 min timers with a 20 sec window, it blows for rogue lol

[minor gust]

be like me and change the order every week because I space out

[tawdry briar]

still trying to find my rogue replacement. arms is fun

[minor gust]

if you havent alrdy fury is a lot of fun aswell

[tawdry briar]

too smooth brain seems like

[dire hinge]

tbf arms is pretty smooth brain

[minor gust]

its more simple than arms but not by much. Arms is pretty smooth aswell

guess arms reacts to procs more thats about it

especially if u play with EB

[tawdry briar]

EB?

[minor gust]

Enduring Blow talent that gives MS a chance to reset itself

[dire hinge]

exhillirating blows*

[minor gust]

yeah that

[tawdry briar]

ahaha

[dire hinge]

it had a name change from Shadowlands to Dragonflight for (reasons)

[minor gust]

spear of bastion you mean champions spear

[formal verge]

On avg at 528ilvl, whats everyone simming at? I feel like im simming a lot lower to everyone else based on earlier sims shown here

[dire hinge]

im at like 415k atm, you may see folks with higher sims wearing trinkets like Signet/Anvil, but bear in mind those trinkets aren't actually good for all fights

sim runs for 5min which lets those trinkets build up and get quite powerful, but in practice you might not see 5min fights

[minor gust]

some ppl also sim at a high BSL % which does inflate things

[stiff jay]

Incandescent Essence alone can proc diurna ring?

[dire hinge]

it does yes

any fire damage procs it, the more sources of fire damage you have the more it procs

[gray steeple]

It also depends on fight length. Many are simming for 3 or 4 minutes since most fights don't last long,

[stiff jay]

tyty

[formal verge]

Okay that makes sense. I just stick it in w/e the basic sim string is and im like at 417 w/ oce and puzzle box.

I was starting to panic seeing people at 440's

[minor gust]

yeah im 427 and a normal sim usually has me around 422

and I just use double stat stick fuck puzzle box and signet

[reef glade]

439

[formal verge]

Yeah puzzle box is awful to use past the initial use haha.

[reef glade]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eESYHPVbQXHX7TMuhhZjZ7

can get this week

443k when i get mythic oce next week but past that idk what else to do..

walli had like 444k somethin

maybe just haste pants/better belt from aberrus?

surely..

[hazy flower]

walli been simming 444k for a week now

crazy