arms

[tiny dock]

the comments I've read online are insane, it sounds like they want to be completely done the event and have every item purchased with minimal effort or time invested

obtaining everything should be possible, but easily?

[quasi spruce]

its a temporary event

all the rewards are cosmetic

at the end, all of your progression is wiped

why should that progression and those cosmetic rewards take weeks of grinding the same dailies

[tiny dock]

sure it's temporary, but I still don't understand why it needs to be easy lol

[opal folio]

Because that adds value

If shit was common it would be perceived as worth less

[quasi spruce]

then go buy an nft goofball

[opal folio]

That’s pretty much the basis for all rewards in this game

[quasi spruce]

its a recolored hat or a goat from mop

[tiny dock]

just give everyone everything for free am I right

[olive nest]

Exactly this

[quasi spruce]

if youre placing value on a (recolored) cosmetic reward from a temporary event then you should do some reflecting

[olive nest]

Handouts are in most cases unvalued

[quasi spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[tiny dock]

no matter which way you look at it, why on earth would blizzard even create this event for people to be done it in a week lol

[olive nest]

Man what happened to the time in gaming where it was normal and expected to earn things?

[opal folio]

🤷‍♂️

[slim vortex]

Should I get Voice of the Silent Star, Cata Signet Brand , or Seal of FIlial Duty this week? https://raider.io/characters/us/proudmoore/Worganicfarm. Cloak sims the best but i feel it's a trap if I want to push M+, also Brand seems usless when most fights are less than 4m now

[opal folio]

The ring is massive

[quasi spruce]

he says, talking about a cosmetic armor set

[manic stirrup]

diurnas ring

[olive nest]

I would suggest ring

[slim vortex]

That's what I was thinking too, but wasn't too sure

[quasi spruce]

i can promise you that no one is going to be kissing your boots because they see you have the little red riding goat from mop remix

[opal folio]

Is this really the hill you want to die on? End of the day, it’s a video game. Nothing really matters and you’re on a server complaining about it

[tiny dock]

there's more than just cosmetics too, there's an achievement locked behind mythic soo completion as well

[olive nest]

It’s okay to have a difference in opinion, you just might have to accept that your own might not align with the majority.

[tiny dock]

ngl from what I've read online, his opinion feels like the majority lmao

[quasi spruce]

you are 100% in the vocal minority

[pine oar]

Is there a new version of this? SIMS no longer load.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit#gid=0

[tiny dock]

you realize getting everything that is tied to mop remix is incredibly easy to get?

if you don't want to grind bronze to get the more expensive cosmetics

go farm it in retail

🤷‍♂️

those are not going away when mop remix ends

[quasi spruce]

im just gonna assume youre all either ai or trolling

mop remix is not a serious event

[tiny dock]

remix just gives collectors a more surefire way to obtain things they've been hunting for years like the sha mount

[quasi spruce]

it is a a silly event to hold people over until tww

[tiny dock]

bro you keep throwing insults out and shit

[quasi spruce]

you are not a hardcore world firster because you spend 60 days doing 12 year old dailies for a recolor of a 12 year old mount

[tiny dock]

lmao doing dailies in mop takes under an hour

[opal folio]

What fomo does to a mofo

[tiny dock]

if you can't do those daily to obtain all the cosmetics you want then I don't know what to tell you

they're most likely going to buff bronze anyways, just look at what they did to plunderstorm

[olive nest]

Can’t wait to log into retail today and buy every mount in the game from a vendor

[tiny dock]

sorry brew, retail is forever

it's not limited duh

huge difference

[olive nest]

Wait if remix items go to retail

[quasi spruce]

are you being purposely dense

[olive nest]

Does it count?

Yo!

Hole up

Remix is forever

[tiny dock]

!!!

[olive nest]

Confirmed

[frosty remnant]

is anvil a better buy than signet if we are melting bosses in mythic

[olive nest]

Yes

[gray steeple]

Signet is good for 4+ minute fights.

[olive nest]

Technically

Both want longer fights

[frosty remnant]

sorry to interrupt. continue your arguing

[olive nest]

LOL

Always interrupt the banter for legitimate war questions

[tiny dock]

[olive nest]

That’s the purpose of the channel

[clear oasis]

Q: Are Frostfire legs a sim trap or M+ BIS? Constantly simming 7-10% higher for me on dungeon slice than BSL

[frosty remnant]

yea im thinking i buy anvil to swap with puzzle box in raid. signet is cringe unless its an end boss. being so bis so early in a patch feels weird

[olive nest]

Yes

Avoid legs

[gray steeple]

shield ring also should be in play

[olive nest]

Ngl bro your puzzbox is owning

I would buy brood ring in your case

[frosty remnant]

yea i got lucky in vault after 32 algethar farms for the hero one lol

[frosty remnant]

is that just for the defensive value. signet and anvil are the only upgrades in bullion droptimizer and i figured anvil would be better because im next if brand drops tonight

[gray steeple]

Helps keep BSL up

[olive nest]

You will most likely have to shift stats around for it to be an upgrade

But yes you want brood ring eventually

Highest ilvl in that slot

[frosty remnant]

oh really. i wanted to go back to my flavor pocket ring eventually but ill look into that ring

[olive nest]

• shield for BSL uptime

[opal folio]

The shield is actually insane

[olive nest]

It does like 20k hps

It’s nuts

[gray steeple]

Better slots for a flavor packet than ring this time

[olive nest]

Your three crafted slots should probably be neck/cloak/wrist this season unless you are parse hunting with sark cloak

[gray steeple]

Boots possibly as well

[frosty remnant]

i put bsl on cloak because this neck is pretty fat. i have a hero track sark cloak but we dont usually run it in raid/high keys

[tiny dock]

everyone getting cool rings while I'm sitting here patiently waiting for the leggo to drop

[gray steeple]

Can do both

[tiny dock]

gotta make sure I stay strapped with 2 bull lions at all times though

[lone imp]

Man....

[frosty remnant]

so i just watched back vods and we are killking mythic bosses in 4 mins or less. signet or anvil would only be worth on last bosses where the filial duty ring would be worth everywhere. might just do that instead

[slow saddle]

Shield ring helps uptime of blue silk

[frosty remnant]

oh true. guess sims cant really take that into account

[tiny dock]

just up your bsl uptime to 100%

[slow saddle]

Haha not rly but lets say id guess 10%

[gilded turret]

me too buddy, its a sadge existance

[lone imp]

Even if I take 2 sockets and buy shield ring, it's still 2k less than taking ring out of vault...

😅

[fringe moon]

anybody know how much HP is lost by going with the Sark cloak?

I'm in wage cage atm, otherwise I'd check

[tiny dock]

wage cage, I like that

[lone imp]

nm I made it work, changed oce buff and rune

[hazy flower]

@boreal quartz update

[wild heart]

I think the only i want from vault is a beeg puzzle box

[gaunt owl]

plz stop

[dire hinge]

so close

in a struck of luck, i was able to replace my avoidance shoulders with more avoidance shoulders

[reef glade]

40/40/40/20

[daring heron]

wasnt the original 40 40 10 10

weve come a long way

[reef glade]

in s2 yea

[gaunt owl]

yeah but it wasnt about the %

[reef glade]

(my crit goes up to like 52 with crit phial)

[gaunt owl]

but the stat distribution

[reef glade]

no it was %

grr

[gaunt owl]

nah

[reef glade]

feel like it'd be impossible to have a quarter of the amount of mastery and verse as haste and crit

[gaunt owl]

you cant go lower than 12% mastery

[daring heron]

isnt it ye that

[somber lance]

Is it bottom capped at 12%?

What if i don’t wanna do dmge during deep wounds

[reef glade]

[sleek geode]

help XD

[somber lance]

11%

Ppaw on the lies

[sleek geode]

Do I have to go with the 4 pieces of the tier?

[hazy flower]

wdym

u cant buy tier with bullions

[fringe moon]

There's a nice guide on wowhead for you

[manic stirrup]

why is this the top comment

[hazy flower]

because people are clueless

[sleek geode]

How are the stats going for raid?=

[manic stirrup]

why is reddit the way it is man

why cant the smart gamers use reddit

[hazy flower]

arms has fuckton of cleave

[somber lance]

Ret always mainstream appeal and reddit is full of normies

[hazy flower]

without SS

[somber lance]

There you go

[daring heron]

damn that must mean arms' cleave dps is really bad

[latent moss]

it is

[gaunt owl]

only i am allowed to spread misinformation

[latent moss]

worst cleave in the game

[hazy flower]

Surely arms isnt one of the best 2t specs in the game

[daring heron]

may as well make sweeping strikes passive and hit 2 additional targets

[latent moss]

misinformation my beloved

[manic stirrup]

[latent moss]

[gaunt owl]

we all know why we dont use Reddit

[hazy flower]

use reddit

make a post in competitive wow about pushing 10's

refuse to elaborate

[boreal quartz]

@slender sonnet uk lads when u done

[slender sonnet]

Soonge

[daring heron]

or spit facts and get downvoted

[somber lance]

Who actually has better 2 target cleave?

[hazy flower]

eh idk I heard frost mage has better cleave

never played one

[boreal quartz]

destro/frost

[hazy flower]

destro is a bit worse

iirc

[boreal quartz]

GS just splits on 2

[hazy flower]

havoc is 12 sec

[boreal quartz]

mayhem 100% proc uptime

[hazy flower]

vs ss 15/21

[boreal quartz]

surely

[manic stirrup]

love compwow

[daring heron]

@north junco is a professional at this btw

[boreal quartz]

such novelty

[hazy flower]

ye I've never played warlock either so I know destro is very good at 2t just didnt know how good

[latent moss]

(i agree)

[sharp wyvern]

every comment on that should just be "yes"

[boreal quartz]

i mean just proc 100% 2t cleave xd

[hazy flower]

aha

[manic stirrup]

i actually didnt get downvoted on this one

[reef glade]

a classic

[daring heron]

reddit also said a couple of months ago fury is squishy because it only has 1 defensive

that comment got a lot of upvotes too

it is what it is

[latent moss]

xd

very squishy spec

i agree

[gaunt owl]

so squishy

[sharp wyvern]

is impending victory not a defensive ?

[latent moss]

its so squishy it did a 180 and cant die anymore

[boreal quartz]

ya critcak stop disagreeing with the hivemind

[hazy flower]

the only squishy classes I'd consider are hunter and idk probably shaman

they do have the ghost wolf dr but its so fucking cringe to use I cant

[ivory quartz]

hunters are tanky as fuck

this narrative must die

[hazy flower]

they are not

[somber lance]

That’s poggers damage. Weak healing tho

[daring heron]

arms isnt swimming in rage im wrong

[hazy flower]

I pushed with a hunter last season

till 30's

and I know very well

how tanky they are

[sharp wyvern]

lets make a post like "rogues dont need a cheatdeath"

[somber lance]

Dont hunters fall over?

[boreal quartz]

🏊‍♂️ 😡

[sharp wyvern]

after playing pvp the last week im actually so annoyed that so many classes have immunities

[latent moss]

elusiveness is funny

wtih 93456% vers

[sharp wyvern]

remove them all pls

[hazy flower]

ye evasion with 30 sec cd

feint with 20

insane

[boreal quartz]

!

[hazy flower]

and running 50% vers

[ivory quartz]

everything feels squishy when you're pushing 30s except mage, but hunters last season had an insane healthpool and a diverse kit of defensives to rotate

[hazy flower]

no

[sacred zodiac]

who said this?

[gaunt owl]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-26438788

[hazy flower]

not everything feels squishy

[reef glade]

https://tenor.com/view/ome5-gif-8904969025413294508

[boreal quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-deployed-alien-cat-gif-10264569409756179931

[sharp wyvern]

def stance is L stance

[hazy flower]

mage priest ret warrior (both specs!) warlock and idk what else I cant name

druids

that's not "everything"

[latent moss]

fury is freaky against dots

5t cshb

is funny

[sharp wyvern]

priest is not squishy ?

[boreal quartz]

depends against what dam

[latent moss]

no

its just annoying

[daring heron]

p sure if you die first to unavoidable as arms/fury, it's a skill issue 99% of the time

[hazy flower]

shadow is one of the tankiest specs

in the game

[boreal quartz]

but they have a lot of diff stuff

[magic canopy]

gug

[latent moss]

is there anything u dont live as fury

[boreal quartz]

the redditor wants to hear how hes gods gift to gaming and its specs fault though

[latent moss]

assuming defensives

[sharp wyvern]

what about healers

[boreal quartz]

ive tried 2 swirlies on fyrakk stacked

[hazy flower]

idk probably rdudu is the tankiest

[boreal quartz]

didnt work

[ivory quartz]

ok notice now you name like the 5 tankiest specs as examples of things that are tankier than hunter but you original statement was that the only class you consider squishy was hunter and maybe shaman, like its very clear shaman and boomy. Hunter is not even remotely in that conversation

[latent moss]

bear form

[hazy flower]

boomy squishy?

???

???

[boreal quartz]

if ur not perma bear it is

[ivory quartz]

genuinely what game are you playing

[sharp wyvern]

just go bear form lol

[latent moss]

they unlocked their second hemisphere last season

and started using bear form

[hazy flower]

bear form

is the most broken

defensive

in the game

[somber lance]

We got an altercation

[sharp wyvern]

and also the most cringe

[hazy flower]

against oneshots

[boreal quartz]

prismatic barrier but ye

[somber lance]

boomies hate to switch no?

[reef glade]

yea you only do 3 dps while stuck in bear for 20 seconds

[sharp wyvern]

iamgine if def stance made you unable to use your dps attacks

thats what bear form is

[hazy flower]

like that thing alone made me list druids in the "tanky" category

[latent moss]

ye they were living everything last season in 30s cause they were squishy

[boreal quartz]

mage for example is not "tank" vs shit like 3rd HOI when fury is a god there

[latent moss]

using it sucks

but its busted

[boreal quartz]

but against last boss its godtier immortal

[hazy flower]

mage is turbo broken against oneshots

the only "issue"

[sacred zodiac]

philliam who said this ??

[hazy flower]

is its all on gcd

[boreal quartz]

i dont know sir

batman probably

[hazy flower]

well aside from ice cold or maybe prismatic barrier with shimmer but yeah

[latent moss]

it falls under the "annoying to use" category

[daring heron]

i did 100k hps on 3rd boss hoi this week

[latent moss]

xd

[daring heron]

[hazy flower]

a bit annoying but idk I've gotten used to it

[latent moss]

bbut guys

[sacred zodiac]

you MUST have knowledge on this person

[hazy flower]

like u gotta press defensive like it or not

[latent moss]

without s3 tierset fury will be squishy!!!!

[boreal quartz]

!!!!!!

[daring heron]

[boreal quartz]

they parse 100

[latent moss]

gajeel's coach

[sharp wyvern]

cause everyone else is going into def stance

[somber lance]

It’s loboz on god

100% dmge all the time

Key to parse

[latent moss]

loboz is different

[sharp wyvern]

i feel like you dont even need def stance in raid only in m+

[hazy flower]

curious how much dh could pop on 3rd boss in hoi

they have insane leech in meta

[latent moss]

u dont but its stupid not to

[daring heron]

it's still situationally good in raid

[boreal quartz]

dstance is still worth on some things

[sharp wyvern]

if i can live wihtout dstance why go into dstance

[daring heron]

on prog its a godsend tho

[boreal quartz]

i.e. sark fire clear its fine

[somber lance]

For sure you guys use D stance in prog

When you’re undergeared

[sharp wyvern]

i think the only raid boss i used it this expac was p1 sark

[latent moss]

i never felt like i needed ER tho

apart from cheese

[daring heron]

on farm it's also pretty stupid to die because you refuse to press d stance

[latent moss]

smolderon rings and dreamrend on fyrakk

mass roots on tswift was ez with dstance sr

[sharp wyvern]

idk you have SR every 25 seconds

[latent moss]

you dont have to stand on top of 9 other people

[daring heron]

sometimes you use whole kit

[latent moss]

u can spread out a little it will get cleaved anyway

[hazy flower]

It's not your most prefered choice but u still use it

sometimes you need sr + this

sometimes you need this because sr is on cd

[dire hinge]

i love my healers but they're not the best and Dstance is a godsend

especially for big raid wides

[gaunt owl]

if you complain about lack of defensive and dont actively use Dstance

[latent moss]

^

[gaunt owl]

plz go touch grass and reflect on your mistake

[manic stirrup]

id honestly say 100%

[sharp wyvern]

my policy is if i live without d stance i dont use it

[hazy flower]

cant really think like that

[latent moss]

have fun losing to dstance users

[daring heron]

sometimes you get rng'd and repeatedly targeted

so i say 1%

[latent moss]

bsl

[manic stirrup]

oh yeah thats true

[latent moss]

chatting

[hazy flower]

U dont press defs only to survive the hit

u press defs

[manic stirrup]

like on arrow boss

[daring heron]

ya

[hazy flower]

so healers dont have to pump 300k hps into you

while raid is taking big dam

[sacred zodiac]

this is fine but this is not optimal and you know it

[latent moss]

just wait for a cshb tick

chatting

[sacred zodiac]

just cause we can play like garbage doesnt mean that we have to

[manic stirrup]

tell this to basically every magus

[hazy flower]

dont slander me

[latent moss]

they cant

so they die

[magic canopy]

@daring heron do you remember if second wind works on second boss HoI

i forgetti

third boss i mean

oops

[daring heron]

bird boss in aa is a good example in high keys
1st is just sr
2nd is d stance
3rd is sr d stance
4th is d stance dbts (think you can sr here too if you pre-used sr)
IP on all ofc

[sharp wyvern]

whats the point of using it if you live anyway

[prisma heart]

Isn't using dstance as little as possible within reason most optimal lol?

[daring heron]

doesnt work on 3rd no

[magic canopy]

dang

[reef glade]

very odd key...

[hazy flower]

yep I went 17 tyra back when I had like 63k stamina with the 5% talent and that's p much what I figured

[latent moss]

sure but you need to understand

[hazy flower]

sometimes had to double stack IP

[latent moss]

not pressing dstance sometimes

[hazy flower]

@slender sonnet

@slender sonnet

[boreal quartz]

Arm...536.53m (480k)

[reef glade]

mitt... 298.28M (267K)

[latent moss]

forces ur healers to heal u as well as everyone else for 300k hps

to live

4. Hassi....156.52M (140K)

[reef glade]

real

[hazy flower]

@boreal quartz I'm gonna hop for a 9 in the meantime

while we're waiting for uk

[prisma heart]

Ye tht why I said within reason. If u can not press dstance and live without stressing the raid I don't press

[daring heron]

im usually bottom on healing taken from healer in a key and i play with ret sp

[manic stirrup]

guys im doing fyrakk tonight

[latent moss]

check cshb overheal

[manic stirrup]

what spec

[ivory quartz]

Its all situational, theres also plenty of large damage events in raid followed by absolutely nothing

[dire hinge]

real

[daring heron]

just use the fucking kit

[latent moss]

(80%)

[boreal quartz]

yep

[daring heron]

as arms

[reef glade]

legs

[latent moss]

based

ip user

[boreal quartz]

/roll 1-2 (1 is fury-2 is arm)

thats what i normally do

[manic stirrup]

bro ive only tanked non awakened version in awakened gear this is gonna be a disaster

[sacred zodiac]

someone else might die

you might die the tick after

[boreal quartz]

do not roll 3

[dire hinge]

3 is sword and board arms

[sharp wyvern]

oh you mean when you dont live
thats what ive been saying

[slender sonnet]

HUH

[ivory quartz]

no he means healing is a game of brain globals

[manic stirrup]

if healer sees you low they might heal you over someone who can die

[ivory quartz]

every decision you can remove from your 4 healers reactions makes their jobs easier

[manic stirrup]

so if u use def stance, you remove healer worrying about you

[slender sonnet]

Why am I getting pinged

[daring heron]

doesnt apply that often in pve but using defensives (including d stance) allows you to stay on the offensive

[sacred zodiac]

i mean you dont have to be obtuse about it any decent player will see the value of pressing dstance even if the hit wouldnt immediately kill you

[daring heron]

instead of going los for example in uldaman vs golems

[manic stirrup]

die by the sword pull 3 packs and meld

success

[reef glade]

guys i need 30 more crests than i can get this week to upgrade everything i can

do i sandbag and wait for 2 potential items to drop in raid to save some crests

[prisma heart]

U guys ever swap from prot to arms and forget to go back bstance and u spend all of raid with dstance perma on?

[strange perch]

@boreal quartz unhinged

[manic stirrup]

yes sandbag

[halcyon breach]

Less damage taken = less healing needed = more healing to those who do need healing because they didn't have as big of a defensive, or any, ready

[daring heron]

or parry to stay on trees in bh, big guys in nokhud, berserkers in ulda

parries the aoe stuns there

[reef glade]

no i have a weakaura that does this

[north junco]

i've been farming downvotes lately for saying you dont need to have done frog farm to be 556 in remix

[prisma heart]

[manic stirrup]

me when i accidentally stay in as prot but parry anyway

[rose matrix]

If you have been doing the raids since the start on remix you can easily be 556

[north junco]

(or any other farm for that matter)

[manic stirrup]

the wow subreddit is so shit rn

everyone is complaining about remix

after saying its the best gamemode ever on releade

[north junco]

yeah people dont realise how much bronze raids give, especially heroic

[reef glade]

how tf did u just slingshot those 3 messages in .2 seconds

or did disc just like lag out

[north junco]

im getting ~70k bronze per day from doing all raids on heroic, soo on normal and the other daily lockout stuff

[manic stirrup]

i lagged

not discord

[reef glade]

wack

it my birfday

[boreal quartz]

fast typers

stay winning

[quartz cedar]

Good morning Skyhold!

[boreal quartz]

happy berfday!

[dire hinge]

morning copper

[dire hinge]

happy birthday 🎉

[quartz cedar]

nothing like getting 3 weapon choices in the vault when you already have the legendary

[reef glade]

fast movers

[magic canopy]

fishman Birfday : )

[pastel moss]

is there ever a reason to drop shockwave in m+?

[pastel moss]

hbd

[reef glade]

can buy drugs and alcohol now

[slender sonnet]

why was I pinged????

[hazy flower]

because we're waiting for u

[reef glade]

someone wanted to say hi to u or something

[dire hinge]

i'd ask the one that pinged you

[hazy flower]

so I was curious

[slender sonnet]

oh ew

[hazy flower]

how much longer

[slender sonnet]

well

im here now

[halcyon breach]

If your group is coordinated, and doesn't need it, sure

But generally wouldn't drop it if you're only pugging

[dire hinge]

It's a whole-pack CC which is nice, but it doesn't last very long and contributes to the CC-limit for a not-long stun. Fine to take

other specs/classes have better CC options, but there's no harm in taking it

[hazy flower]

@boreal quartz

[quartz cedar]

do you guys like Ashes of the Embersoul? As usual, the sims are going against conventional wisdom and telling me that's an +8712 dps increase over a 522 pbox

[halcyon breach]

If we were a 2 min class sure, it'd be good

But compared to Puzzle I would not use it

[pastel moss]

wondering if i should drop it for roar cdr & seismic reverb or cruel strikes

[halcyon breach]

Cruel is infinite more value than Seismic

But yes you'd drop Endurance + Shockwave for Uproar and Cruel if anything

[boreal quartz]

yes i know im sniffa-ing for charlie rn

[quartz cedar]

@halcyon breach so since it desyncs with our cooldowns so much, it has less value?

[halcyon breach]

That, and Puzzle is just better

[boreal quartz]

link sim

[halcyon breach]

Puzzle is 100% consistent and lasts your entire CD window and more

[quartz cedar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f4u9Sa4jetWmYYYxh8Gfwb <--- droptimizer

[slender sonnet]

he's in a key

[boreal quartz]

HUHHHHHHHHHHH

[halcyon breach]

I will commit danger upon my allies soon

[slender sonnet]

hell yeah

[halcyon breach]

return of the rat

[daring heron]

banezi stop

this is nsfw

[slender sonnet]

yesyesyesyesyes

[pastel moss]

how is signet brand not even in the top 10 in a 6 minute fight lol

[halcyon breach]

You regularly stream nsfw with your overalls on stream, I do not see the problem

[pastel moss]

oh wait

thats dslice

[daring heron]

wow.....

[pastel moss]

ive heard there's like 4 specs in the game that have a functioning dslice profile and 3 of them are rogues

[halcyon breach]

Arms' DSlice is functioning

But I'd never use it for gearing personally

Especially trinkets

[slender sonnet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dfp8ksL2zSq3nbn4CSibXs kekw

[halcyon breach]

Sorry low blow

But a friend shared a pic of your 500k Prot overall in Bracken

It is not ethical

[slender sonnet]

I saw overalls and thought of the ones farmers wear

[somber lance]

He even bullied an enh that was rank 2

[daring heron]

the prot overalls actually are not ethical

[quartz cedar]

ugh...so what setting would you use to simulate m+ performance?

[daring heron]

no shockwave no disrupting

kinda int but i want to do damage

[slender sonnet]

fury does damage by cleaving off a prio target so simming for ST and using your brain is safe

[tough tangle]

Man that set really looks great on anything

[halcyon breach]

I personally just use Patchwerk 5 min 1 target for general gear purposes

[quartz cedar]

ok

[halcyon breach]

And use a bit of my own thinking when it comes to trinkets

But cheat code is Puzzle + passive stat stick

[somber lance]

people say dslice works but i’ve never seen it be recommended

[daring heron]

best cheat code

[halcyon breach]

You can use it for gearing if you'd like, stats are rarely gonna be the reason you don't time a key

[daring heron]

good for everything everywhere

[slender sonnet]

this is the way

[halcyon breach]

Yah, Puzzle doesn't even sim that far behind my 515 Brand

[somber lance]

Wrong channel

[halcyon breach]

Puzzle just too strong wcyd

[slender sonnet]

infact fuck it

here we go

[pastel moss]

i ended up with two stat sticks sadge

[slender sonnet]

gooner

[halcyon breach]

Also tried a bit of Prot recently

[halcyon breach]

And you're basically just a 4th DPS

It's not 17s but still xd

[slender sonnet]

ethical grouper

[halcyon breach]

Out DPSing people in some pulls is interesting

[daring heron]

frfr

[manic stirrup]

disrupting isnt very good so ur chilling

[sharp moss]

how do we feel about volc neck

[halcyon breach]

It's just an okay neck

You don't need it

[sharp moss]

ty ty

[quartz cedar]

My sims just do not like puzzlebox. Patchwerk/1/5min, it says to use branch of tormented ancients

[somber lance]

ilvl diff?

[quartz cedar]

same...both 522

[halcyon breach]

As mentioned above, I wouldn't use sims to tell you what trinkets to use for M+

[somber lance]

i mean branch is quite annoying to use anyways

More so than box

[halcyon breach]

Just use Puzzle + a stat stick you might have, like Icon, OCE or Pips

And you're gonna be fine

[hybrid sinew]

i have grieftorch as a vault option, and ngl, i kinda want to move to team grieftorch

[halcyon breach]

You can use it if you do boosts

[quartz cedar]

well all of this discussion is because i have a 522 pbox and a 522 OCE, so by most accounts, i should be ok in the trinket department. Now the question because what should i get with my bullion, which is why the trinket question is back!

[boreal quartz]

lf one willing sacrifice

@halcyon breach log on

[frigid lava]

for M+... what's the best trink to buy with bullion?

[boreal quartz]

@sacred zodiac log on keyston!!!!

[somber lance]

Oce or icon or pips

Depends who is in your group

[halcyon breach]

Sorry I am currently unavailable!!

[frigid lava]

100% pug

[somber lance]

I have found OCE to be the best since you can adjust the secondary stats

[halcyon breach]

OCE more likely than not to have someone else use it in your group

[frigid lava]

I have OCE

what's next best?

[halcyon breach]

Puzzle Box

[somber lance]

Don’t buy a second trinket with bullions

Do you have both rings?

[frigid lava]

i have both rings

[halcyon breach]

Just buy Augury if you're gonna go Fury or Ashkandur if you don't have it and also want to try Fury

[lone imp]

Just missed it

[halcyon breach]

Outside of Lego + both rings, and one of the stat sticks, there aren't really many other high value purchases

Sark cloak is another potential purchase, as long as you don't use it during push content (still wouldn't recommend it until very last purchase)

[frigid lava]

i have mythic cloak...

hmmm im think augury

lets see if i can score one in heroic.. if not, buying it

[raven nymph]

If you just buy it you can stop worrying about what to buy.

[hybrid sinew]

im actually half tempted to buy shield ring instead of cloak this week since i just switched to BSL

if you are doing bsl, the shield ring acutally probablly outperforms its sims slightly

[frigid lava]

I like staying alive.

[hybrid sinew]

well, also, raid wise this coming week is the only week where theres any outgoing dmg

[raven nymph]

Can you still cata the cloak?

[gaunt owl]

yeah ring shield is giga huge

[midnight mural]

Would be nice with some actual comparisons - with similar geared warriors, one with ring shield and one without - both using bsl

[pseudo cipher]

if i have a myth track anvil and a myth track puzzle box, am i just swapping them in raid based on fight length?

[dire hinge]

basically yeah

anvil/signet take 4+ min to build up

[fringe moon]

aside from sark cloak, only thing really left for me to purchase are signet/anvil and neltharion's.....

[frigid lava]

can u loot augury as protection

[fringe moon]

I don't think so

[dire hinge]

no

you can check in the journal:

[frigid lava]

got it

[fossil thistle]

No but just change your spec like all the healers do 😎

[ivory quartz]

its diurna ring week boyos

im gonna be so healthy

[nocturne zenith]

nice, 1 more week with no lego

and I already have 15hc kills

thanks blizzard

[dire hinge]

next week for sure then

[nocturne zenith]

should be this week for sure

think this shit is just bugged

[gray herald]

@boreal quartz hurry up

[hazy flower]

💀🔫

[thorny laurel]

On your 15th Heroic (or higher) Fyrakk kill after the Legendary was available (Week 3), you will guaranteed get Fyr'alath the Dreamrender Fyr'alath the Dreamrender.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamining-fyralath-legendary-drop-rates-bad-luck-protection-values-revealed-337807

[dire hinge]

they just said it was their 15th week, unfortunately

so hopefully next week 👍

[thorny laurel]

Yeah thats what I mean, its supposed to be 100%

[nocturne zenith]

yea, my first kill was dec 11

i have 9 kills on s3, separate weeks

and we are on week 6 of s4

i killed it every week on heroic

[hazy flower]

@gray herald

NAH

cursed]

[dire hinge]

good luck!

[gray herald]

that's so giga

[manic stirrup]

@hazy flower has disrupting in hoi

eta gg

[hazy flower]

bro

these fucking warriors

dont wanna play shockwave

[thorny laurel]

You didnt keep any of the embers did you?

[hazy flower]

lets have perma 50% damage reduction

[manic stirrup]

[hazy flower]

I've convinced them

I can go back to bloodsurge

[nocturne zenith]

nope

[manic stirrup]

2 feats

fears

wtf

ppl complain about utility and they dont pick up free aoe stops

gg

[gaunt owl]

i dont wanna lose dmg you know

[frigid lava]

im basic

[reef glade]

-1 seismic reverb

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[boreal quartz]

Lil dog takes his time

[boreal quartz]

@slender sonnet WHY THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE SHITWAVE

[slender sonnet]

because im in pain

[steep osprey]

-0.00.1% damage

[mortal crag]

buff arms?

[dire hinge]

just gotta stand in more things

[marsh axle]

Furybringer.
Arms.
🤔

[manic stirrup]

u guys died on 11

[mortal crag]

buff arms?

[manic stirrup]

need short er

and bitter immunity

[gray herald]

buff arms

[manic stirrup]

get better at heal parsing noobs

[reef glade]

🍑

[steep osprey]

skill issue

Did you guys finish it

[craggy breach]

guys we need spam Normal. LFG and Heroic Amirdrasil? o just

go Heroic for farm Leg Axe

[mighty stratus]

just heroic

[pastel moss]

do default sims use haste or crit rune?

[gray herald]

ofc

it was a +2

(as in we +2'd it)

it was an 11

[steep osprey]

nice

what dungeon

[gaunt owl]

should be crit iirc

you can just swap the rune at the bottom to see if any diff

[gray herald]

hoi

[pastel moss]

there's no option to sim runes against one another so id have to manually sim with each one applied, slightly inconvenient

more just want to know which rune it's using when simming the rest of the stat weights

[gray herald]

#Weapon Stone/Rune
profileset."Buzzing_Rune_x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:buzzing_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3"
profileset."Howling_Rune_x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:howling_rune_3/off_hand:howling_rune_3"
profileset."Hissing_Rune_x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:hissing_rune_3"
profileset."Howling+Buzzing"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:howling_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3"
profileset."Hissing+Buzzing"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3"
profileset."Hissing+Howling"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:primal_whetstone_3"
profileset."Hissing+Whetstone"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:howling_rune_3"
profileset."Whetstone_x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:primal_whetstone_3"
profileset."Whetstone+howling"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:howling_whetstone_3"
profileset."Whetstone+buzzing"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:buzzing_whetstone_3"

put that under your simc in advanced

[pastel moss]

this one is for fury im guessing

[reef glade]

aw hell naw not the different runes on each hand

psychopathic shit

😭

[hexed parrot]

when does the crest cap resets? 22:00 CET?

[dire hinge]

It's like 8-12 hours before reset, i forget the exact time

[astral yarrow]

Nah it’ll work for both

[pastel moss]

it's only showing 2 rune combos

[astral yarrow]

What

The paste has every rune combination

[gaunt owl]

you even have the whetstone that everybody forgor

[astral yarrow]

I’m the one that hasn’t updated the food buff paste though

[gaunt owl]

its ok, be ready to prepare the next one for TWW

[astral yarrow]

Handing in double exam papers on the 31st

And I’m actually a free (ish) man after the 18th

Then I’m just on dog duty and I can do sim work while watching this cutie

[opal folio]

[somber lance]

So i can grind crests before reset tomorrow morning if i’m EU?

[dire hinge]

yup! NA can do it too

[somber lance]

Appreciate your help and support

[lone imp]

Did an 11 halls, ring fucks

[livid cloak]

Yeah its awesome

[somber lance]

I mean aren’t all the blue options just variance? So you could run the sim any number of times and get conflicting results for those

[pastel moss]

it's doing sets of 2 runes rather than a single rune

judging from the combinations im assuming the best one is probably hissing

[wicked aurora]

@ornate eagle

[ornate eagle]

thats hot

[wicked aurora]

Also Nom, how does Call stack up for prot?

[ornate eagle]

same as for arms

except youre a tank

[wicked aurora]

so gucci for keys?

[ornate eagle]

ya

[wicked aurora]

bet

Call + Anvil gonna go brrrr

or Call + Dreadplate for prot

🤔

[obsidian topaz]

I'm assuming that in a key if tank and healer dont have OCE, youre better off with Puzzle + Icon?

[astral yarrow]

how is this not more than 2 runes

[pastel moss]

huh?

im arms, i can only apply 1 rune

it's doing only 2 rune combinations

[astral yarrow]

yes, but only the first one is applied

[dire hinge]

because they're named that way, it doesnt reflect them actually using 2 runes

[astral yarrow]

i had a real hard time understanding what your issue was lol

[pastel moss]

oh lmao my b

it wasn't inherently obvious :p

[obsidian topaz]

I dont really see people running neltharions in keys its all puzzle + OCE / Icon

should I buy nelths now lol

[pastel moss]

i find it weird people in high keys are running oce/icon

oce especially

[dire hinge]

this section at the start, with the quotes around it, is what shows up in the end result of the sim

you could alter these to say "my cool sim" and it would appear that way at the end

[obsidian topaz]

i guess they buy it for mythic raid ?

I do mostly heroic raid so raid trinkets dont matter so much to me

[solid hemlock]

for m+ for trinket option why is OCE preferred over PiP? and what is OCE stat set to? crit? haste? mast?

[astral yarrow]

#arms message
to add onto this, for arms, the only relevant part of the string is "temporary_enchant=main_hand:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" as the rest of it isnt even considered because you have no offhand

[somber lance]

Why buy nelths

Which keys are you doing

[rare kite]

nelths good for non push keys

[craggy breach]

guys, exist any AURA o addon for counter my

Fyrakk kills?

[pastel moss]

how is sandglass for keys if you can get a hero one?

[gray steeple]

No.

[craggy breach]

:c

[obsidian topaz]

idk looks strong, most healers and tanks dont run OCE. Im pushing 13s

[teal fossil]

nelth is funny

[rare kite]

it is strong, the 5% damage taken will kill you at a certain key level tho

[obsidian topaz]

I just want to pump, hows cloack for damage?

sims highest for me on droptimizer 4 minute ST

[elfin kindle]

So whaf stats does the sark cloack catalyse to?

[gray steeple]

no stam

[slender sonnet]

it's v fun

[sacred zodiac]

what th efuck

[sacred zodiac]

just making sure you're aware, it has to be a non-bullion sark cloak to be catalyzable

[tepid citrus]

I run 15s atm and I don’t notice the damage tbh. IP, leech, duirna ring kinda negate a lot of it. I do notice a big boost when it procs with my ignis fragment and my mortal strike stonks😂

[slender sonnet]

cringe cloak buyers am Ir ight lol

[elfin kindle]

Okay but whaz stats?

[slender sonnet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b3PN6mEe2zbDmXpqNbB8Mn do I send the biggest upgrade so do I do the biggest funny and buy augury tomorrow

[somber lance]

disgusting

icon with OCE gives you 530k?

thats mint

[slender sonnet]

with full grp of both

[somber lance]

ah that's harder

[tepid citrus]

😂😂😂😂

[slender sonnet]

but buying augury would make me 529 equipped

[somber lance]

average ret gameplay

[slender sonnet]

how t he fuck do he play like that

[sacred zodiac]

me when i dont want to contribute with CC

@elfin kindle

[outer holly]

this is the way

[somber lance]

did it drop for you?

[sacred zodiac]

vaulted it

[somber lance]

yeah im getting mine tomorrow

seen it in the stars

[sacred zodiac]

im praying for a socket vault

[dire hinge]

oh hell yeah it's comp stomp week, get some more old pvp appearances

[craggy breach]

guys what means BLP Fyrak?

"BLP"

[dire hinge]

Bad Luck Protection, it's a scaling system of increasing your legendary weapon's drop chance, week-over-week

[cinder rock]

ik it’s probably pinned somewhere, but what dragonflight for ominous chromatic essence?

[outer holly]

well finally bought my oce, anyone have the sim string handy?

[dire hinge]

usually haste or crit (bronze/emerald, respectively), but you can sim yourself if you want a direct answer with a custom string in Raidbots

sure do

[cinder rock]

Ty

[dire hinge]

dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=bronze
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/emerald/obsidian/ruby

copy=Emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/obsidian/ruby

copy=Obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/ruby

copy=Azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=bronze/emerald/obsidian/ruby

copy=Ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/obsidian```

[outer holly]

I bet you have that on a hotkey at this point hahaha

Thanks Hrothy

[dire hinge]

i do, it's shorthand via a macro with ;oce

[outer holly]

beautiful

[midnight reef]

Guys, i have a question, the OCE trinket sims higher in 2-4 minutes fight and signet brand sims higher after 5 miniutes, based on the fights (mythic) on this season if u guys would buy one wich one you guys would buy ?

[gray steeple]

Kinda answered the question yourself.

[midnight reef]

its kinda 50/50 and i can buy only one

[dire hinge]

yeah, i'd just buy whichever one makes the most sense for your needs (and your team). If you're blasting through bosses, shorter is better, but if you are having long fights and/or progging and those fights are long, then signet would be the play

you can always just get the other in the future if you end up needing it

[midnight reef]

We just blast every boss

[gray steeple]

That ain't 50/50 then lol

[dire hinge]

probably OCE then, since the signet can't stack fast enough

[craggy breach]

if my counter say me 19, what means?

[gray steeple]

what counter?

[somber lance]

WA

[craggy breach]

yes a WA

[dire hinge]

im not sure to be honest, that counter could be including LFR, Normal, etc, and is likely inaccurate in some way if it's consolidating them all together

[somber lance]

means you have 19 lesser pretty sure

the small essences

[ivory quartz]

got signet brand in vault but also a chest with 500 avoidance on it

[dire hinge]

lessers are something like a 0.6% increase each, so it's not super helpful to track them

imho

[ivory quartz]

i can guarantee the signet at a later date

i am tempted

[dire hinge]

just kill fyrakk on the hardest difficulty you can once a week

[somber lance]

it was before we had confirmation on the datamining, people made a WA to track it

[somber lance]

i would get chest, especially if you want to push keys

signet is a given anyways

[ivory quartz]

thats also my logic

[gray steeple]

No one will use Signet in a few weeks, if not sooner

[ivory quartz]

signet will still be bis on the most relevant bosses

[gray steeple]

Only for RP.

[dire hinge]

the only relevant bosses would be end-of-tier ones, most the others just fall over

good for say, Fyrakk, Raz, etc, ones where the bosses last more than 4.5-ish minutes, but most wont

[ivory quartz]

yeah i would argue that raz sark and smold-fyrakk are the only bosses worth even thinking about gear on

[craggy breach]

this counter count this...

check

[gray steeple]

That WA means nothing in knowing when you'll get it. Justkeep killing on HC or mythic every week

[flat niche]

https://imgur.com/MfSN50o 13 heroics 2 mythics

I think I'm done

I think that's the breaking point.

[dire hinge]

you'll likely have it in 1-2 weeks then

[flat niche]

I've been told likely for the past 3 weeks

[gray steeple]

Not 100%. 15-18 HC kills or equilivent

[flat niche]

if I can't get lucky one time in this game then I don't want to play it anymore

[gray steeple]

Far as we know

[dire hinge]

less luck, more just consistency in trying

you'll absolutely get it soon, but there is variance in it

[gray steeple]

Youare lucky. Just bad lucky. But you are close.

[dire hinge]

i think i got mine at 14 kills or something

(all heroic)

just gotta keep goin

[karmic briar]

numbers so smooth

[wild heart]

huge puzzlebox

[dire hinge]

ayy nice grats

[stoic island]

playing test of might in keys or never ?

[dire hinge]

not usually no, you might be able to play it with the Juggernaut build, but most of the time you'll want In For The Kill

[stoic island]

ok thx

[dire hinge]

of course!

[surreal breach]

Any magic % where we stop grabbing crit or haste?

[compact geyser]

when the sim tells u too

[viral gale]

Is there ever a world I want to use OCE and Whispering Incarnate Icon? I'm trying to figure out what to use my Bullion on today. I don't have my Puzzle box yet, but there isn't really anything else I would use my Bullions on besides maybe the Seal of Filial Duty if that even.

[wild heart]

self buffs only dafuq

also gratz @dire hinge on yellowname

[gray steeple]

Why wouldn't you want Seal? It's huge

[inner wasp]

i work from 8am to 6pm now

i feel like ive been at work all day

because i have been

[viral gale]

The one from Broodkeeper. I have the one from Eranog. I just want to spend my Bullion on the best option. I don't know if like pocket anvil is worth or running double stat trinks has value. Droptimizer is kind of baiting with what it says so trying to figure out my best options.

[gray steeple]

seal is sneaky good in ways sims can't count. Keeping BSL up, stats, etc

[viral gale]

Alright. Yeah. Trying to weigh my best options. Sims don't really help and not seeing any logs of people using it so wasn't sure if it was sim bait or just actually not that good an option.

Also true I didn't think of BSL uptime with it. That's a strong point.

[smoky kayak]

*BSL

[viral gale]

Right right. Dyslexia hit.

[dire hinge]

BSL Drizzy

[regal ledge]

whats yalls preferred opener on arms?

[manic stirrup]

charge use random shit and then bladestorm

[regal ledge]

YEAH THANKS BUD.

and what the heck is BSL?

[manic stirrup]

blue silken lining embellishment

[regal ledge]

ahh

[sleek isle]

any guides for best tinker and gems for mop remix for arms

[hallow turtle]

Wowhead page has that

[cloud dawn]

Pips is simming pretty well, anyone using it this season?

[hallow turtle]

My raid has 4/5 oce

But without any allies it’s suppose to be better than icon or oce

[smoky kayak]

yeah iirc it and nelths are roughly on par with no ally icon/oce

good choice for M+

[cloud dawn]

Hoping to use it for m+

Only our healer uses icon in raid pretty sure

Not really seeing lots of talk around pips but my sims are loving it, like 8k DPS increase over icon/oce

[surreal breach]

When in opener to channel puzzle box?

[cloud dawn]

before pull

[surreal breach]

ok so the idea being to finish its channel right at pull timer 0

[cloud dawn]

essentially

[tacit gate]

the higher the damage a spell does the more rage you get as an arms warrior?

[smoky kayak]

no, they removed damage scaling rage in Cata

[tacit gate]

so how is rage generated by arms ?

I read your guide btw it's pretty informative

[reef glade]

most rage from auto attacks

[tacit gate]

ah yeah is ee it now

[reef glade]

idk if it’s specifically stated how much per auto

but things like windfury get you more rage when it procs cause you hit twice

[tacit gate]

it looks like 33 rage per auto

[reef glade]

maybe

not sure if it’s variable or same number every time but sounds right ish

also like certain talents and things could get u rage

like strength of arms overpowers in execute I think

[tacit gate]

yeah that it does

[reef glade]

o I think pressing roar and maybe avatar also gives some

but yea most/basically all is autoattacks

which is why some ppl that want to giga game track their swing timers

for “I assume” reason of “you want to hit mortal strike but u don’t have enough rage” and if your swing timer is about to swing in like .2 seconds and you’d get enough rage you know you can wait instead of hitting an overpower or something

but stuff like that I think is so minor

barely matters

[tacit gate]

Well the reason I am asking is because I was only wondering why crit is the most significant stat to focus on for arms, It appears at first glance that crit aids with rage generation, but rather now I think it's because the focus on dots like deep wounds isn't as impactful as raw damage

[opal folio]

Autos that crit generate 30% more rage

[tacit gate]

O.O

[opal folio]

Also, haste is typically the arms stat

Since that fuels anger management and test of might

[daring heron]

seasoned soldier is only 10% on crit autos now

at the end of the day crit is a good stat because sims say so

[opal folio]

How did I miss this?

[daring heron]

several small reasons crit is good and they add up

impale is +10% crit damage too

sharpened blades adds another 10% crit damage to main abilities

[bitter cosmos]

can any1 help me out with a wow cata arms warrior ui pls?

i bought lvl skip and dont know where and what to slot

since u have stance switches and stuff

[manic stirrup]

bro wtf happened

ive never seen more ms procs in my entire life

64 ms in 3:26

[halcyon breach]

Did LFR Magmorax a few hours ago to fill out Vault

Had 5 MS casts in a row during CDs

Full despair knowing I wont see that anytime soon on an actual boss

[manic stirrup]

i had a couple strings of 4 and literally just ran out of rage sometimes spamming mortal strike

lmao

[halcyon breach]

Yeah that does happen sometimes with eb xd

First world problems

[manic stirrup]

had despair knowing if my gear wasnt fried i wouldve had a r1

[cloud dawn]

this wouldve made me very hard

[manic stirrup]

also highroll on crit

[hollow axle]

Can you catalyst on Sark cloak?

[manic stirrup]

i have 28% crit on my sheet

[halcyon breach]

wait someone logged it

[manic stirrup]

only if it dropps from raid

[hollow axle]

ty

[halcyon breach]

Nvm it wasn't during CDs I'm coping

But it still looked good

[pastel moss]

do you ever hold execute to get CS up for fatal mark?

[manic stirrup]

u want test of might up

not cs

[halcyon breach]

It's not worth holding Execute for ToM

Except for a global or two

It's not only Execute damage you lose, it's also EP stacks to buff MS

It adds up very quickly

[pastel moss]

gotcha

[fathom shoal]

whats the typical uptime for call of nelth in a m+?

[obsidian topaz]

How are 50% or arms players in M+ running OCE, there’s no way it’s better than icon

[hybrid sinew]

well, you get it for raid

so you use it

i would imaigne more people raid + mythic + then just mythic+

[obsidian topaz]

Without any buffs icon is more stats, and even if you have one or two others with OCE in party it’s still meh right?

[frigid lava]

I think OCE is more popular than icon in general regardless of class

so more likely to benefit

also flat out 2ndary stat u can choose is nice.

[obsidian topaz]

I’m mostly a heroic raider and I have heroic icon so I probably shouldn’t buy OCE

I think even with 2 others in party with OCE icon is still probably better but I’ll sim tomorrow

If it’s too close to call

Sometimes I’ll pug first two mythic or do with guild but I think grieftotch would be better if I really wanted a raid trinket

I pay fury in m+ sometimes so I bought an augury. Don’t think that ashkunder is huge upgrade over myth wrap

I guess ring cloak or tank trinket

[frigid lava]

I bought augury with bullions this week

[obsidian topaz]

Or dreadplates

[rare kite]

don't buy dreadplates

[spark mango]

guys what do i get with my buillion that benefits both fury and arms? the eranog ring?

[rare kite]

yes, the eranog ring 100%

[spark mango]

how is neltharion weapon for fury

i have 489 from smolderon

[rare kite]

well it's better than a regular weapon, i'd rather get the eranog ring over it

[spark mango]

yeah thought so aswell, its just frustrating i always pick socket out of vault

[rare kite]

atleast it's 2 sockets per week now, and sockets are pretty good

[spark mango]

because i think i need a trinket for raid arms aswell, ominous

[brittle light]

wat should i get next with the 2bullion?

shield ring?

[obsidian topaz]

For prot lol

[reef glade]

amogus

[rare kite]

amogus

[icy widget]

zug

[reef glade]

https://tenor.com/view/ome5-gif-8904969025413294508

[fringe moon]

is the 5% fast footwork supposed to show up under your character screen?

[frigid lava]

529... damn

[simple olive]

What're we spending our bulion on if we focus on M+? The wowhead guide seems to focus on raid

[reef glade]

idk felt pretty even

what do u already have

[reef glade]

leggo first if u ahve it. fire damage ring, some choice trinkets perhaps if u dont got them or right around now decent time for fire shield ring

yea idk how good CtC is in comparison to like an icon/oce, i think it procs decent on arms

u can prolly just sim like 5target 5minute droptimizer with raid vendors

fire shield ring might not show up as like a super high dps option but shield v good

[simple olive]

Would replacing CtC with another on-use be a good idea? Sounds clunky

[reef glade]

on use hell no

would be another passive

[simple olive]

I feel like puzzle box is worth keeping yeah?

[minor gust]

Giga chad double passive trinket

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vgQ91RMCJBx37wrEUE5xek

Hmm

@hazy flower

actually have icon buffs in raid as well

so wicked

[reef glade]

what tank is crippling themselves to wear an icon for u