arms

[fossil thistle]

arms is feeling better but still kinda weird

I guess trinket, Fyr'alath, and tier add up to like what, 25% dps?

[trim arrow]

pink class build

[twin kite]

haste and mastery for the remix

right?

[fossil thistle]

Add in some Vers too for natural scaling

Honestly by ilvl cap with gems you can prob reach 100% everythinf Lo

Also still not sure of ST rotation for remix.
I’m still trying the typical ST build but at 326 ilvl I’m only managing like 110k dps 💀

@dull siren what do you do for big numbers

[steep osprey]

Mop remix has so many issues

Don’t feel like playing yet

[quick marlin]

some dungeons really hurt the level 70's for sure. not sure if the scaling weirdness is happening in raids as well.

also, can someone explain what the hell the Fervor tinker gem actually does? the tooltip makes no sense to me. whose health is it "consuming"?

[manic stirrup]

your health

it uses your health to do bonus damage

[quick marlin]

ah okay, well i'm squishy at 70 rn so i think i'll hold off 😄

[lucid plinth]

you gain quite a bit of leech from cape that it is fine

[quick marlin]

haha my speed is 666

[clever crag]

Same

[frigid lava]

The season feels over already.

[somber lance]

Nah that’s in your head

keys are alive

[frigid lava]

are u pushing the key?

It takes like 2~3 days to do 10s... then ummm...

[somber lance]

I’ve been finding groups okay past few days

Seems like mop remix hasn’t taken too many people

[brittle pelican]

good that it won't last long

[brittle pelican]

only if you are sp/mage/vdh

[cursive sun]

bro

how tf do u

level quick in this remix shit

ive been questing and doing dungeons

im stuck at barely 25

lmao

[granite basin]

U aint min maxing and playing efficiently enough

Skill issue

MMO in 2024 is all about grind

[frigid lava]

Min/maxing for remix content... sounds stressful

[fossil thistle]

Full speed brother ☝️🤓

[gaunt owl]

and in a week everybody will get bored of doing frog farm

[livid cloak]

I still don't have all 10s 🫠

Wtb more playing time

[frigid lava]

Mostly just waiting for queue

I did most of my 10s without leggo... i'm guessing its not hard.

[livid cloak]

No the dungeons aren't hard

[frigid lava]

U mean getting invited?

[livid cloak]

Just limited time plus solo play

[frigid lava]

yea... im 100% pug. it's pretty rough lol

[livid cloak]

I've been busier at work and my kid is staying up later so I get like an hour of free time maybe

[frigid lava]

so about 30 mins queuing and 30 mins of dungeon

[livid cloak]

So if you don't get in a key pretty quick, or it bricks, try again tmrw

Yea

[frigid lava]

At least you are fully enjoying it then lol I got too much time and not much to play.

[livid cloak]

So doing it that way really stretches out season length lol

Yeah I still look forward to getting on

[frigid lava]

I got 3 monitors going on... one watching(listening) one chatting one gaming... gaming monitor is just queuing most of the time lol

[granite basin]

I would smoke 10 cigarettes before getting invites into a key

Not sure how many hours that is

[livid cloak]

I hit 520, which has made getting into 9s and 10s a lot easier, but the affixes last 2 weeks have been challenging for warrior

Every time actually get into a key it's a ++ bc ilvl scaling is so big rn

[frigid lava]

I think most of forerunners are 520~525

[granite basin]

500-505 is enough for 7-8s

10s idk

When i listed my 10-13 keys noone queued

Empty af

[livid cloak]

It is for 10s too just not to get invited

[frigid lava]

it gets really hard to get invited to +10 without being 520 or at least 2500 score

[livid cloak]

Arms is a lot of fun this season though. To me at least

I love it

Gigantic mortal strikes

[frigid lava]

S3 rotation was better... cuz no need to refill rend

[livid cloak]

Execute phase feels huge

S3 was my first season as arms, so I am enjoying the change

[frigid lava]

Yea... I was fury before mostly.

then didnt' like the s3 fury rotation.. so I switched to arms

Thought about going back to fury for s4... as I liked the rampage spamming.

[livid cloak]

I finally got a puzzle box 2 days ago and haven't been able to play since lol

But soon. Maybe today

[sacred zodiac]

The really weird execute conditionals were garbanzo

[tardy hare]

Not needing to refresh rend doesn’t make the rotation better just easier

[livid cloak]

It's just personal preference

That's what he liked

[gaunt owl]

thats why people should stop spreading their preference as facts

[livid cloak]

That's true

[gaunt owl]

S3 Tier set tried to fix our shitty button bloat

it barely did

[manic egret]

I like how they buffed s3 set right after voting was complete

[clever crag]

It was not

This rotation is very good

[frigid lava]

"It was not" ?

the only difference is that now we have to refill rend.

If u meant M+, then arguable.

[clever crag]

You spammed slam before

I barely use it for whole fight

[austere willow]

How do you sim for fragment versus pbox?

As in what's the best option to do so. Patchwerk 5 bosses 30 seconds? Dungeon slice?

[sacred anvil]

Now I'm no expert in simming but I think I saw one of the other guys saying 5 min single target fight and 1 minute 5 man fight and never use dungeon slice

Or girls*

[austere willow]

I've tried to argue dungeon slice simming with .fuuu. It didn't go well. Suffice to say that the methodology behind dungeon slice sims more accurately for all dungeons than if you were to sim every single dungeon separately. Mostly due to the variables within every group. Pull sizes, damage output and so on. Averaging out, dslice gave the most accurate results

however, trinket simming in particular is slightly different

I'm trying to find at least a single sim where pbox sims higher than frag.

for me personally

[sacred anvil]

Right yeah might have to wait for someone to wake up and tell ya as I said I'm no expert

[austere willow]

5 bosses 1 minute for example. So I'm a bit at a loss since everyones running pbox 😐

[frigid lava]

I have pbox... but still running hourglass

[clever crag]

Pbox is just comfy

Lasts long and is reliable

[finite spire]

I find it funny that a lot to Arms players complain about button bloat. Everything’s relative I suppose, but I think Arms is middle of the distribution with regards to buttons.

[sacred anvil]

I don't have any issues with buttons

[gaunt owl]

for each ST button

we have one AOE button that do the same

[finite spire]

Yeah? That’s kind of normal. Classes like Outlaw or Fire mage are the exception rather than the rule. Your rotation changing in AoE is interesting! Imagine if we just ping ponged mortal strike and over power against every mob?

Switching your rotation as mobs die is engaging. Having the choice to do prio damage or AoE damage is engaging.

[gaunt owl]

tell me you dont play enough Arms

thats plenty for me

becasue when you throw SS in the mix

its all messy

[shadow ibex]

We pretty much just mash the keyboard

The aoe rotation is a mess entirely

It's very dumb.

[frigid lava]

I think arms is ok.... meanwhile prot...

[shadow ibex]

To give context I got a 93 on m council last night playing terribly, not saying that's high but I was also not caring about OP stacks still pressing MS even tho I had no EP

The aoe rotation on retail is not even cooked it's fried

[finite spire]

So you want SS to be like blade flurry? Then press MS on main target and have it naturally cleave? I could get on board with that.

[slow saddle]

Well lets start with taking it off the gcd

[shadow ibex]

By making it passive

[slow saddle]

Dno if in for that though

[subtle gust]

ya'll are crazy arms has so many damn buttons

[wispy tiger]

Play Prot if you want button bloat lol

[frigid lava]

Just nerf others... damn it.

[fossil thistle]

Warriors should just get a passive that provides 100% of their single target damage to up to 20 enemies within 20 yards and just call it “Flinging steel shards”

[wispy tiger]

Arms has like 5 buttons you press consistently it really isn't a lot lol

[shadow ibex]

Arms def has bloat

[frigid lava]

Yea arms buttons are fine. I even run all the utilities in M+

storm bolt shockwave int. shout.

[slow saddle]

Bloat isnt buttons only but more the mystery of which is best

[sacred anvil]

Cleave in 4 plus targets sweeping the rest right?

[slow saddle]

Cleave/ms rend tc slam // ww

[slow saddle]

Unless u want prio dmg

[shadow ibex]

Yes people aren't understanding. The fact we need to go check online when to use X at Y targets

[slow saddle]

This

[shadow ibex]

That shit is stupid

[wispy tiger]

There's literally no mystery. Mortal strike 2 or less. Cleave 5 or less. Bladestorm 6 or more. Overpower to reset MS. TC for rend. Rend on pull in ST. WW on CD in AoE. That's not that hard.

[jade basalt]

welcome to the melee dps community

[sacred anvil]

Don't all classes have to do that

[shadow ibex]

Without looking right now tell me how many targets execute with sweeping assuming you have EP > cleave

[gaunt owl]

and what about when SS ?

[fossil thistle]

? Bladestorm always because hurricane?

[shadow ibex]

Nah. Play frost dk more than 1 target use glacial advance instead of frost strike

[gaunt owl]

i see too many people in here trying to

[wispy tiger]

More like run whirlwind build even if it's suboptimal because fuck bladestorm

[gaunt owl]

and pulling wrong number even

absolutly glorious

[slow saddle]

The answer is

ZUG

[sacred anvil]

Zug

[shadow ibex]

The answer is yeah don't worry just mash buttons but that's the bloaty part of it we mean

[slow saddle]

Oh i agree

Its bloaty

[shadow ibex]

I mean when you have blizzard saying themselves the aoe rotation lacks direction IDK what more you need

I think they are wrong about a lot

[slow saddle]

Need them to remove parry

[jade basalt]

^

[slow saddle]

🤣

[jade basalt]

or at least should be a pvp only thing

whats rasz parrying with, beak?

[sacred anvil]

I'm down for this

[frigid lava]

Fucking cringe on the first CS getting parried at opening.

[sacred anvil]

But arms defensive is all about parry

[shadow ibex]

Let spells be resisted

[frigid lava]

I only play heroic but I don't stand in front of raz

[shadow ibex]

From now on when people say remove parry can we just all assume they mean on boss mobs so we don't have to bring up die by the sword

[sacred anvil]

Noted

[wispy tiger]

I'm in awe of this chat right now lol "I have to press like 6 buttons so much bloat blizzard plz fix* lol

[sacred anvil]

🤣

[jade basalt]

me and my monk

[sacred anvil]

Me on fury zuggin

[jade basalt]

i like apm characters til im tired

[wispy tiger]

Me on Prot with 27 different abilities on my bars

[jade basalt]

and then i go back to dk

[shadow ibex]

What target count do you execute without jug but with EP over cleave spam?

Without checking a deswind post

[frigid lava]

Fury rampage spamming is hella fun

[fossil thistle]

Prot has abilities?

[sacred anvil]

Jug?

[slow saddle]

He counts defensives as buttons kel

[sacred anvil]

Juggernaut

[wispy tiger]

This isn't a bloat question but more of a "what ability is the priority".

[sacred anvil]

Got it

[slow saddle]

Its bout rotation bloat

[shadow ibex]

It's bloat

[frigid lava]

Prot has too many similar skills... that's the problem.

[slow saddle]

Prot is just shield slam revenge tc?

[sacred anvil]

Arms talk here

[wispy tiger]

Bro that's like me saying "I have to use Pyroblast on 3 or less targets in flamestrike build on mage so much bloat." Literally makes no sense.

[gaunt owl]

what are you trying to compare @wispy tiger

[fossil thistle]

Prot just press shield block and spam shield slam. Most healers I know complain about having nothing to heal because tanks are too strong

[gaunt owl]

literal chatting

[slow saddle]

Problem is more like this

Ep at 4 unless sweep

[shadow ibex]

OK but can you answer the question at a glance?

[slow saddle]

But op. Not cleave

[frigid lava]

Tanks are almost self sufficient nowadays.

[jade basalt]

prolly since SL

those who can't are just bad

[fossil thistle]

Did you guys not play Cata or MoP

Talking about button bloat smh

[jade basalt]

🐻

[wispy tiger]

Nah don't play arms this season but y'all are literally saying that having to prio certain abilities in certain situations is bloat when it's literally just optimization

[hazy flower]

its not the same

lol

what you compared it to

is ms vs cleave

in aoe

[frigid lava]

I think pvp could be button bloat

[shadow ibex]

Are these all just alts

[hazy flower]

then you also have overpower

thunderclap

its literally not the same

[gaunt owl]

this guys is baiting

for real

talking to a wall of stupid

[slow saddle]

And sweep// no seeep

[shadow ibex]

OK so you just don't know what you're talking about then

[slow saddle]

Ww

[shadow ibex]

Lol

"I don't play warrior but"

[slow saddle]

Just ban him tbh

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[wispy tiger]

I did play it last season before it was meta and pushed arms up to 3k and it is literally not hard at all.

[fossil thistle]

????

[hazy flower]

before it was meta

when was warrior meta

xd

[slow saddle]

Its not about hard???

[jade basalt]

[fossil thistle]

Meta arms??

Since when

[wispy tiger]

Rn it's def meta in raid

[slow saddle]

Lol

[hazy flower]

y

[fossil thistle]

3k isn’t hard that’s like 23s lol

[hazy flower]

because

you have so much aoe in raid

[gaunt owl]

meta in raid

[wispy tiger]

Unless the 5 button rotation is too hard for y'all

[hazy flower]

clearly aoe talk is about raid

fucking clueless

lmao

[frigid lava]

There has been warrior meta... they all VERY short lived.

[gaunt owl]

[wispy tiger]

5 button bloat gamers

[slow saddle]

St rotation is good

And rewarding

[hazy flower]

u keep yapping about things you have no idea about

but sure buddy

[slow saddle]

Thats not the issue

[hazy flower]

go ahead

[wispy tiger]

Nah I'm sorry guys I'm busy having to use more than just overpower and MS it's hard to focus right now with all the bloat

[olive nest]

Warriors always meta if you not nub

[gaunt owl]

thats just so funny to have somebody flex 3k rio

[wispy tiger]

Wasn't flexing the alt io lol just saying arms ain't hard

[slow saddle]

Haha i was 3.2 and embarrased bout it in here

[jade basalt]

i like arms anyways

[hazy flower]

idk why was io ever brought up

xd

[frigid lava]

I like legs too

[slow saddle]

Like at 3k u dont need to play decent

[jade basalt]

legs warrior

[fossil thistle]

Eat half the mechanics wipe 3x and still time 23/24s last season

[slow saddle]

Esp if u couldnt push above 3k cpz of lack of skill?

Like i dno m8

[shadow ibex]

If I wasn't on mobile I would just link a screen cap of the blue post saying the arms warrior aoe lacks direction and we are buffing cleave etc etc

[olive nest]

we dont consider 3k "good" in our bubble but to the vast majority of wow players, I would assume, 3k io is a hell of a goal to achiev

that doesnt mean come in here and brag about it

[shadow ibex]

It's not even up for debate tbh

[wispy tiger]

Arms warrior does indeed feel like shit I'll give you that. But claiming bloat and acting like it's hard is wild.

[frigid lava]

Isn't 3k like 1% right now?

[slow saddle]

Who ever said hard????

No1 said that

Exept u

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-donald-trump-special-very-special-trump-tantrum-gif-19856793

[slow saddle]

Its bloated of shit overlapping shit

[frigid lava]

lol orange man

[shadow ibex]

If it's not hard I'm still waiting for that answer as to what button to press when you have EP but no jugg and what target count to execute over OP and cleave

[olive nest]

its not exactly "hard" but it does require some thought to get the most damage out of it

like all specs in the game

[gaunt owl]

[sacred anvil]

I'ma just guess 2 targets

[shadow ibex]

There's a cracked ass prio

[gaunt owl]

look at him baiting and dodging after

[fossil thistle]

Obviously it’s hamstring.
What if the mob tries to run away? Then your rotation doesn’t matter.

[olive nest]

theres a clear difference between someone who can follow the prio and someone who cant

[wispy tiger]

Peeps asking me what buttons to press when I've pressed every one of their buttons lol

[slow saddle]

Evertime coz. I want 2 c big number

[olive nest]

its not like its a free damage dealer

press 5 button zug

this guys just strokin his ego

[shadow ibex]

You can def brain off and op and cleave spam but it won't be ideal

[gaunt owl]

its still bloated

you wanna push everything at the same time

[wispy tiger]

Nah

[gaunt owl]

because our spec is bloated and shit at the same time

[sacred anvil]

Let's add it up MS CS OP cleave BS roar charge kick SS WW impending victory...

[fossil thistle]

hamstring

[sacred anvil]

Execute

[wispy tiger]

Bro you did NOT just put your kick in a list of "bloat" abilities LMFAO

[fossil thistle]

hamstring

[sacred anvil]

I'm on ur side I don't think it's bloated at all

Just trying to get to the bottom of this haha

[sacred anvil]

No.

[fossil thistle]

YES

[sacred anvil]

Forever macrod to charge never even on bars

[wispy tiger]

People here have mistaken having to optimize your rotation depending on he situation for button bloat.
That my friends is actually crazy because every class in WoW has to do that.

[olive nest]

That moment you're kiting spamming charge/hamstring keybind and you accidently hit the range to be able to charge and you zip back in and die

XD

[fossil thistle]

Idk BM hunters just press beastcleave

[gaunt owl]

every class are you sure about that ?

[sacred anvil]

Haha soon as that happens it'll get it's own button lmao

[fossil thistle]

Fr kiting mobs for 30s in azure vault cause the tank ate back shots 💀

[wispy tiger]

Well I've never played evoker or shaman so idk ab them but everyone else yes. Except maybe fire mage but only in ignite build and even then there's optimization with meteor and living bomb on big pulls.

[gaunt owl]

so you didnt play fury or BM ? or MM ?

they all have 1 button enabler to AOE

[sacred anvil]

Not to mention sun kings blessing procs and almost having to be a robot

[olive nest]

Shambalamba do you play at title range?

if so what spec/s

[wispy tiger]

Trying for it this season on a fire mage

Wanted to join the meta

[olive nest]

interesting

[sacred anvil]

Booo meta

[wispy tiger]

SKB is easy w weak auras to help track it. The hardest part is pressing buttons fast enough for Combustion uptime from SKB lol. Gotta go fast.

[sacred anvil]

And jump don't forget to jump

[gaunt owl]

so he thinks its harder to push button fast

[sacred anvil]

I think mage is more bloated than arms

Different kind of bloat tho

[gaunt owl]

how can they be more bloated

when they have less spell

do you even know what bloated means

its like people not understanding what padding is

[sacred anvil]

Too many buttons right?

[wispy tiger]

I personally enjoy the crackhead A D wiggle haha

[sacred anvil]

Same

[sacred anvil]

I do it on warrior too just instinct

[wispy tiger]

Tell me what YOU think bloat means. I'm curious.

[sacred anvil]

🧐

[gaunt owl]

you just talking about priority

all this time

and saying bloat and shit

so i'm more curious about your definition of it

[sacred anvil]

I gave my definition

[slow saddle]

A simple q, in mage guide. Can u find optimal rotation in aoe?

[wispy tiger]

I never said bloat I said it isn't bloated. Bloat is having multiple buttons with redundant effects/usages that cause confusion in the rotation. That is not arms AT ALL. Optimization is not bloat.

[gaunt owl]

so you give the good description

but you dont think it applies to ARms

yeah ok buddy

[slow saddle]

We could remove ww at least🤣

[gaunt owl]

see when i told ya people should stop spreading their feelings as fact before

[slow saddle]

It has no purposr

[wispy tiger]

WW is so easy tho literally use it on CD in AoE

Not confusing or redundant.

[slow saddle]

But thats wrong

Cleave is better

[urban iron]

Also has a lot of purpose with collateral damage

[slow saddle]

Esp with op stacks

[urban iron]

Better =\= bloat

[slow saddle]

So using ww on cd is bad

[slow saddle]

But thats when u go fob build😆

And then prio needs to be mainly ww. But op is so goid and so is cleave

[urban iron]

But that doesn’t make it bloat

[slow saddle]

In aoe rotation it kindda does mo🤣

But welcome back roidstack

[urban iron]

I am not roidstack 😑

[slow saddle]

But adding col to a sos comment

Is a stack comment

[urban iron]

My point was having skills be not optimal for one build when they’re used in another doesn’t make them bloat

If we wanna talk about bloat, rend is bloat

[opal folio]

Bruh

Rend is awesome

[slow saddle]

As said before. Aoe rotation is bloated

[opal folio]

Aoe is bloated

[slow saddle]

Not skills in gen on war

[urban iron]

You never press the rend button in aoe or st in basically any spec

[slow saddle]

Its the ms//tc//op//cleave//ww

//Slam

[shadow ibex]

When do you ww over cleave with fob no cheating

[strange perch]

Buff slam

[slow saddle]

Execute

The whole point is no1 knows what to push when🤣

[slow saddle]

U can just op op ms for prio dmg

[shadow ibex]

even blizzard know its dumb

[strange perch]

Thunderclap ms os proc spin roar they dead

[slow saddle]

Should be cleave not ms

[strange perch]

Slam

[sacred anvil]

This guy gets it

[shadow ibex]

last season things were better with the super tclap execute taking care of rend in aoe and also giving some direction to spend SD proc insta

now if i ask when do you spend SD proc fighting 5-8 targets

[clever birch]

Hello guys, I came here because I had a question while observing the log.
Looking at Arms' ST APL, if the rend debuff is longer than 12 seconds, Slam has higher priority than Thunder Clap.
Most log either do not use Slam or use Thunder Clap more than Slam. What is the reason?

[wispy tiger]

Slam sucks

[shadow ibex]

fast kill times and using tclap early prevents you from having to do it during a cooldown window

[sacred anvil]

Don't u just send it with sweeping if it's up?

[shadow ibex]

idk

doubt it tbh cleave is pretty good at 5 targets

[sacred anvil]

So just let the proc die?

[shadow ibex]

but thats also the problem we are talking about when we say bloat

[sacred anvil]

Reason

I like it

[shadow ibex]

to provide context, this week our terros kill was 4:28 seconds. I used slam 9 times

I tclapped 8

[wispy tiger]

Only real examples of bloat I've seen in this entire chat are Cleave/WW and Rend/TC. I actually had no idea cleave was on top again this season so my b on that one.

[shadow ibex]

you just yapping man

[wispy tiger]

Naw just preaching the good word that having to optimize your rotation for target counts is part of the game and not bloat lol

[clever birch]

https://ko.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aHtrTK6zM2RBxhJf#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=145

This is the log of Theros 1st place.
Unlike APL, he did not use Slam, but Thunder Clap.
What is the reason?

[shadow ibex]

its a minor difference really

[thick kelp]

This is only when Crushing force talented

[sacred anvil]

Just gonna set this here for future discussion

[thick kelp]

people are not talenting it and as such tclap takes prio

as filler

[sacred anvil]

Tbh I think he's right that's a lot

We may be bloated

[shadow ibex]

whats he get instead of CF

OP CD and what else

[thick kelp]

He doesnt have crushing force talent on class tree and as such tclap is the better filler

[inner wasp]

it only looks like its a lot because i think putting everything into a 17 long priority list is a bad way of presenting info

[thick kelp]

pain and gain

[shadow ibex]

it makes a lot of sense as kills get faster

you wont have time to slam at all

[wispy tiger]

THANK YOU! Prio list is not bloat. Just poorly represented.

[inner wasp]

you have an easy rotation for ST, 3/5 targets if SS, and full AOE

[sacred anvil]

Where do u fall? U think arms multi target is unnecessarly bloated?

[inner wasp]

no

arms multi target is goated and fun

[subtle gust]

is there a class with a longer aoe rotation

[inner wasp]

check enh shaman

i hear its aids

[sacred anvil]

Enh

I'll get the screeny

[urban iron]

It’s not a “rotation” it’s a priority list

[sacred anvil]

Brb

[subtle gust]

cool cool

[inner wasp]

nobody is saying "priority list" in conversation unironically

rotation is a general use term

[thick kelp]

Rotations dont exist

priority lists

[subtle gust]

we all know what we all mean lol

[thick kelp]

are the thing

of todays

[sacred anvil]

Enhance multi target

[shadow ibex]

our kill this week sidearm did .5% less than slam did

with x2 CF

i think just gonna drop CF myself

[thick kelp]

its still a minor gain to play CF over no CF but u can parse 100 without it

[inner wasp]

taking CF

[urban iron]

When people look at a list and say “rotation” that implies they are following it end to end - when that’s not how it’s meant to be interpreted?

[thick kelp]

• pain and gain is comfy

[inner wasp]

brother i dont even put slam on my bars

why am i gonna talent CF

[wispy tiger]

Based slam hater

Slam sucks

[inner wasp]

you know what i do when i get an empty gcd?

i enjoy that shit

fuck slam

[subtle gust]

whats cf

[thick kelp]

u should press rend as filler

int that ase

!

[inner wasp]

i dont put rend on my bars either!!!

i am NOT pressing worthless filler

[thick kelp]

Crushing force talent from class tree

[sacred anvil]

I have it as shift 8

[subtle gust]

ty

[sacred anvil]

Never press it

[thick kelp]

SO u dont have fillers bound and u say arms is not bloated

[inner wasp]

bro thats the entire length of my hand

[urban iron]

Everyone knows empty gcds are for leap charging

[inner wasp]

SO true

[shadow ibex]

lmao

[inner wasp]

dont bind fillers
say arms isnt bloated
parse anyways
what is this strategy called

[thick kelp]

link parse

[sacred anvil]

In comparison this "priority list" seems a lot smaller...

[inner wasp]

thats my secret, i dont parse

[sacred anvil]

Zug

[inner wasp]

i just hope i dont get called out on it

[wispy tiger]

Please go look at arcane mage you'll love it

[sacred anvil]

Oh I've seen it it's gross

[inner wasp]

also wtf why do alliance get to have void elves

horde doesnt have a good shadow priest race

[clever birch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/chAWieiUedKTBswVXeEPe8
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rEMYYcDHdAcWz6vyFBvcfX

Link 1. CF
Link 2. NO CF

Choosing CF and using Slam gives slightly higher DPS.

However, the difference is not that big, so if you really don't want to use Slam, you can skip CF and use Thunder Clap as a filler.

[sacred anvil]

Undead would like a word with u

[urban iron]

Enh shaman “intentionally pull threat on a single mob” - ah yes, excellent class design 🫡

[subtle gust]

vindication

fuck slam

[inner wasp]

in my head undead doesnt match the void theme spriest is going on in tww??? idk tho

its certainly the best option

but its not yknow
void elf

[wispy tiger]

Forsaken

[thick kelp]

Yeah thats thing, in your log linked gajeel didnt have CF so tclap took prio as filler

[subtle gust]

tauren spriest represent

[sacred anvil]

Ally got void elf's cuz they were jelly of our blood elf's

[subtle gust]

horde getting dwarves with earthen right

[sacred anvil]

Yah

[subtle gust]

feels worse then any elf situation

[inner wasp]

earthen is hype

[sacred anvil]

😶

[inner wasp]

horde deserves dwarves

[subtle gust]

horde doesnt even have a good mountain where they gonna live, the hills int he barrens

[inner wasp]

they can have the underhold its not like sylvanas is using it

[sacred anvil]

Horde deserves better racials

[torn delta]

Any good build for remix?

[inner wasp]

me when berserking

me when best deals anywhere

me when open skies

me when make camp

[shadow ibex]

maghar 2 min racial CD is the opposite of good

[clever birch]

that's right. I didn't check Talents.

Of course I knew you would choose CF lol

[inner wasp]

yea their racial cd sucks

[sacred anvil]

Stack haste / mastery breakpoints use lightning totem wildfire and the haste movement speed one can't recall the name

[inner wasp]

thats not open skies

[subtle gust]

is earthen racial gonna be stonier/stoniest form?

[inner wasp]

open skies is maghar 20% mount speed lets GOOOOO

[sacred anvil]

Does it work in instances?

[inner wasp]

yea

[sacred anvil]

LETS FUCKIN GOOOOO

Horde all day baby

[inner wasp]

doesnt stack w/ the pally aura but nobody uses that anyways

[shadow ibex]

i was maghar for longest

2 min racial can fuck off

[frigid lava]

orc orc

[sacred anvil]

Talk about a shitty racial blood elf's used to have a blanket silence now it's just 1 purgable buff at random

[inner wasp]

that shit slapped in the sl dungeon with the gorms tho

could purge the gorms

[sacred anvil]

Ah I skipped shadow lands

[shadow ibex]

doing kings rest without a blood elf was ass

[sacred anvil]

What if arms had a shout that did something similar

[inner wasp]

we do

it sucks

[sacred anvil]

Ohrly? A shout dispel?

[inner wasp]

oh thought u meant silence

[shadow ibex]

prot has aoe interrupt shout and we used to have disrupting shout in mop

[sacred anvil]

Mop was the days man

[shadow ibex]

i think with gag order it also silenced but idr

[sacred anvil]

Everyone had everything

[torn delta]

And for talents?

[sacred anvil]

Just get smash asap and u should be good play it by ear you'll be leveling fast

I also liked sudden death in the early levels

[torn delta]

ty

[fossil thistle]

Gag order with heroic throw CD For range interruption, wasnt it?

[frigid lava]

that shit was op in pvp

[sacred anvil]

Oh shit that was nutters I forgot about that

Bring that back in TWW

Mages would cry too much

[shadow ibex]

i just remember bladestorming the intermission adds on garrosh and shouting during it to interrupt my side solo

shouting while bladestorming was tight

[balmy swallow]

has anyone done dark animus in ToT in a 10 man raid group in remix?

[tepid spruce]

So

Arms is very different from Fury

I cannot comprehend it

[inner wasp]

i went thru the same character development arc

now im big arms main

ama

[tepid spruce]

I really like the concept of Arms

Being a giant hulking warrior that is immovable

Breaks the ground while they fight

[inner wasp]

i am the arms prophet i can convert you from fury

[tepid spruce]

Yes

Please

Its a lot more buttons I think

[inner wasp]

its more buttons but its rly simple when to press them

in st its braindead u just press ms on cooldown, fill with op, fill with whirlwind/clap/slam when op is on cd

[tepid spruce]

I refuse to put slam on my hotbar

[inner wasp]

same and real

its not a big loss to not do it

[sacred zodiac]

irrrelevant loss to not bind it ye

[inner wasp]

you'll just have the occasional empty gcd

aoe is where things get brain blasty for me but ive figured out how to internalize it in a REALLY easy way

the secret trick that wowhead wont tell u

[tepid spruce]

Im not used to having like 5 aoe buttons to hit

That are all directional

I am a BM main at heart

[inner wasp]

so we can split this up into 2 sections

ur cooldowns, and ur actual buttons

the cooldowns hurt my brain a bit but all u do is press literally any cooldown w/ colossus smash

only avatar is up? cool, press it w/ colossus smash

bladestorm is up but roar is on cd? you dont care, press smash then press bladestorm

only roar up? smash then roar

[olive nest]

id play 1 min roar so that they align

[tepid spruce]

Brain already hurts

[inner wasp]

1 min roar doesnt always align

downtime ruins everything

[inner wasp]

press avatar (if applicable) then press smash then roll your face over your cooldowns and you'll do good dps

the only caveat is u usually press roar before smash

but thats an optimization

[tepid spruce]

I dont even have smash yet

I think

[inner wasp]

oh ur leveling

[tepid spruce]

Wait

I got warbreaker

Forgot it converts

[inner wasp]

yea

[tepid spruce]

So smash goes with everything

[inner wasp]

yes

dont press a cd unless you're gonna smash w/ it

smash has so low cd with AM that its worth to hold anything for a smash window

except maybe avatar, just press that when its up prob

[tepid spruce]

Ah

Gotcha

Rend is what threw me off

[inner wasp]

rend doesnt exist

its clap

take that shit off ur bars

[tepid spruce]

confused

[inner wasp]

blood and thunder (talent)

thunderclap applies rend

[tepid spruce]

Ah

I dont have it yet

Leveling through remix

Wanted to try an Arms warrior for my warband

[inner wasp]

im leveling a hunter for mine xd

survival is kinda fun

[tepid spruce]

I have 5 hunters

and 11 dwarves

[inner wasp]

alliance player.... icky... no good

[tepid spruce]

Ive been a bm main for 11 years

Dwarves are best race

[inner wasp]

weird way to spell orc

[sacred anvil]

No good at all LOK'TAR

[tepid spruce]

earthen are gonna be best Horde race

[inner wasp]

idk what earthen race ill even play

class*

[sacred anvil]

What's their racials

[sacred anvil]

Nvm I'll google

[inner wasp]

tell me when u find out

i dont wanna google

[tepid spruce]

I think most are gonna be warriors, paladins, or shamans

[livid cloak]

i finally got to do a key with puzzle box

felt good

[tepid spruce]

Their dance alone makes them the best race

[inner wasp]

true

im a bit of a just dance enjoyer

[sacred anvil]

Idk mannnn

Guess how much secondary stats u get off the "well fed" prob like 50

[inner wasp]

fire breath as a racial??

its prob BAD

[sacred anvil]

Base armor 10% seems nice tho

[inner wasp]

that sounds crazy actually

does it overthrow tauren as tankiest race tho?>

[sacred anvil]

I think it would depends on how much mitigation it gives when we hit bis

[livid cloak]

What's their dance

[inner wasp]

also doesnt that mean its kinda a wasted racial if ur not a plate wearer xd

since ur squishy if ur not plate

[inner wasp]

what classes can they be

[sacred anvil]

Sec

[inner wasp]

earthen death knight...

how does that even work, lore wise

[sacred anvil]

Don't think it does lmao

[inner wasp]

are they just roleplaying?

i can choose to believe that

[sacred anvil]

U can believe anything u want

I think 10% extra armor is always good even for cloth

Less mitigation but still it's more mitigation

[inner wasp]

when is a clothy getting smacked by physical tho

ig theres physical aoe

[sacred anvil]

When I catch up to that damn arcane mage!

[inner wasp]

true true

[tepid spruce]

Rasputin

[inner wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/rasputin-just-dance-dont-care-gif-22707788

[mortal crag]

bis race for warrior raiding

armored to the teeth would go HARD

[sacred anvil]

That's what I was thinking

[mortal crag]

no shot anyone clicks that fire shit though unless it does substantial damage

[steady plover]

@mortal crag ya ragish where are you ya ragish i kept calling you all day

[mortal crag]

wym

[pulsar cedar]

Using the hybrid warbreaker M+ build, is there ever a time to use cleave without two stacks of the overpower buff? Or only with stacks, waiting if no stacks and overpower is on cd?

[rare kite]

ye if no overpowers is available you just press cleave

[inner wasp]

no way

always cleave at 2 stacks

press clap if no op

[rare kite]

nahh i cba with the astronomically small gain

[inner wasp]

i can

number feel good

[rare kite]

it's like less than 1% gain

[ivory quartz]

its not a very common occurrence but cleave to refresh DW if its about to expire when no MP or OP is a thing rarely

[turbid fiber]

whispering incarnate icon....how many people have to run it for it to be worth running?

[thick kelp]

2

[signal dock]

Blood mallet shows wii as the 3rd best with all 3 and a solid option with 2 or 1. From what I've read signet/anvil is good on strictly ST so WII should be decent even if using alone.

[thick kelp]

but when 2

u want the other one to be healer

[signal dock]

Dps/tank and dps/healer are right next to each other

[rare kite]

do healers even want to use it if no tanks are using it tho? coz no tanks want the trinket

[signal dock]

Most tanks healers don't want to be using it since they have better options. Oce seems to be more popular. Can depend on if your raid group wants to dedicate it. If pugging then it may be up in the air

[gray steeple]

It's simmable with differing amount of players running it

[signal dock]

Little tip for simming WII/OCE is have everything selected and ready then middle click to run the sim. It will create a new tab. Go back and change your WII/OCE settings, middle click, so on.

[midnight mural]

Or check the box that says "open sim in a new tab" which does the same 🙂

[somber lance]

you guys eating the orbs on AA last boss?

still no puzzle box......

[slow saddle]

Hmm

Mop is dead, when frog farming is nerfed and some ppl got all that power from it

very sadge

[gaunt owl]

always the same shit

abuse early

[olive nest]

Exploit early, Exploit often

[chilly mulch]

This guy here officer

[inner wasp]

i thought u were exaggerating

holy FUCK

[slow saddle]

exactly

so its dead for the rest of us

[inner wasp]

i mean, no

its not dead at all xd

you're just part of the lower class now

frog farming deserved to die

[ivory quartz]

i mean did it

[inner wasp]

yes

all hyperspawning farms deserve to die

that goes for scrolls in forbidden reach, frogs, wherever

[ivory quartz]

playing for fun temporary meme game mode bad

[inner wasp]

if u think sitting in one spot hyperspawn farming for 3 hours is fun u need a mental evaluation

[ivory quartz]

?

[inner wasp]

they should encourage u to actually play the video game

[ivory quartz]

if someone wants to do it how does that bother you

[steep osprey]

Doesn't bother him

[ivory quartz]

its an infinitely scaling temporary game mode

[steep osprey]

It's just not good for the game

[inner wasp]

^

saying it bothers me is a whole new sentence dawg

[ivory quartz]

in what way

saying i found it fun is also a whole new sentence

[inner wasp]

u literally said fun

[steep osprey]

I'm guessing they're probably going to buff everything else

[ivory quartz]

no i said playing a for fun game mode

[steep osprey]

They did that for plunderstorm pretty early

[inner wasp]

yea its a for fun gamemode

so having the best way to play it be mindlessly grinding frogs

Is Bad

[steep osprey]

We're aboslutely going to see changes to this

so we'll see how it goes

It's kinda tricky because the cloak has infinite potential

so if they make it easier then raids are gonna be roflstomped

[ivory quartz]

i think having the option to sweat a temporary for fun game mode is fine and then removing it after a significant portion of the game gets ahead and not immediately addressing that disparity is bad actually

[steep osprey]

They can still address it

[ivory quartz]

they can

but im not really holding my breath

[inner wasp]

theres a difference between "the option to sweat" and "if you dont shut your brain off and farm frogs, you're intentionally kneecapping yourself to a massive degree"

[halcyon breach]

It's a weekend still, they implemented the hotfix but will likely address and come up with some solutions tomorrow when it's a weekday

[inner wasp]

farming frogs was Literally The Only Way To Do Things Effeciently

its obviously unhealthy

[halcyon breach]

Turning it off is a lot easier and quicker to do, than come up with a more extensive fix

[inner wasp]

^

i think ur also overestimating how many people were doing it

if u pulled a random wow player they probably dont have a frogged cloak rn

[halcyon breach]

Personally I didn't get to farm much, so I will just afk since I don't care enough to lose sleep over it

[steep osprey]

Also says a lot about how the rest is

it's not good

[steep osprey]

I'm not even 70 yet

[boreal quartz]

imagine wanting to catch up ever

[steep osprey]

Phil is the upper class

[boreal quartz]

no

i didnt frog

[steep osprey]

why not

[inner wasp]

warrior
nobody wants you in their 2x4 lmao

[boreal quartz]

cuz i didnt

[inner wasp]

if you arent a monk mage or hunter you dont get to frog

[boreal quartz]

i attempt to have fuzn

[steep osprey]

based department

[timber solar]

I got a Neltharion Call trinket normal from 5 Timewalking-Box. How is it compare to Pbox for M+?

[inner wasp]

sim

[timber solar]

i wants a feelcraft

[ivory quartz]

sim but also why not just wear both

nelth would be passive spot replacement

[timber solar]

coz I got an Augury Max

[ivory quartz]

yeah then sim, my guess would be augury wins but idk

[steady plover]

@boreal quartz ya phil what is your guild

[sharp wyvern]

raz is as rng with fatality as smoldy

they need to delete fatality

[boreal quartz]

legacy-silvermoon just trialling and afking

check amirdrassil logs tho

[steady plover]

@boreal quartz are you alliance just because critcake happen to be alliance and on silvermoon or were all your life and journey was alliance

[boreal quartz]

its ergas old guild

[halcyon breach]

[boreal quartz]

i randomly found out

[boreal quartz]

i started alliance went horde jailer patch and ally again last patch

[hollow axle]

I have embelishs on neck+bracer. What you guys think about flavor pocket next week? Belt or boots?

[boreal quartz]

best gear doesnt have one

[slow saddle]

ofc not but like 5 ppl in my guild did it and now theres no fun in doing raid 😄

[inner wasp]

does anyone know how buying ensembles w/ pieces u already have works

like if i have half of a set and i buy the ensemble am i boned out of a bit of bronze

no refunds

[boreal quartz]

yes

[inner wasp]

ic

though ig for normal raid/dungeons ill eventually be able to just solo it

[willow ginkgo]

what are your best gems for remix, gamers?

[cyan lagoon]

The ones that do damage, innit?

[slow saddle]

the ones that scale best kek

i mean dno

i just watch at remix guides

all i know is tanks do more dmg than dps at least until more ilvl than iveseen

😄

[inner wasp]

im lvl 28 survival hunter rn and ive yet to be out-dpsed

[sacred anvil]

U want the lightning rod one the no fall damage haste buff one and wildfire? I believe was the name

[somber lance]

apparently lower lvl charred deal a lot more dmge with the scaling

[tepid spruce]

I saw at least 50 frog groups yesterday

[somber lance]

same way healers carry damage at lvl 10 in retail

dungeons

[sacred anvil]

Frogs banned 4eva

[sharp wyvern]

is it possible to filter out boss damage on absorb shields the boss has on logs somehow ?

[gaunt owl]

yep there is

let me see if i find it

[slow saddle]

haha ofc 😄

wait until u hit 70 😄

[gaunt owl]

absorbedDamage>0 you put this in the filter expression and hit enter

[sharp wyvern]

ty

[inner wasp]

by the time i hit 70 itll be fixed so w/e

[slow saddle]

haha

^_^

it will not its a big scaling issue that is what it is

[inner wasp]

yea

one thatll be fixed

[sacred anvil]

Better be fixed

Absolutely dead game mode if not

[inner wasp]

you sound like a wowhead commenter

[sacred anvil]

Oh no ! 😱

I've fallen so far

[outer holly]

Next step is reddit

[hallow turtle]

Soon after will be Craigslist

[lost forum]

is there an updated rotation for the legendary axe?

[rare kite]

are you asking when to use leggo? answer is outside of cds, some people do it before they pop cds. some do it after cds are finished

[lost forum]

so there's no discernable difference as long as it's outside of CS and Jug?

[rare kite]

outside of cs and avatar

has nothing to do with jugg

[gray steeple]

pop it after rec, iirc that's what folks suggest

[quick marlin]

so in here asking about bullion. i mostly pug and this season i'll likely be doing m+ way more than raiding. OCE seems like a bad purchase since it requires others having it to be worth. and i'll really just be doing heroic raiding at most. have leggo upgraded & the fire dps ring from first 2 bullion buys, and i have a heroic fire shield ring as well. gonna farm box obv, but thinking of yoinking augury. i know it's better for fury ,but has anyone used it and feel like it's worth?

[gray steeple]

It's usable

[rare kite]

most people just pop leggo before cds on pull

[quick marlin]

"usable" doesn's scream "fun"! haha.

[rare kite]

are you planning on pushing keys? as in the highest of keys?

[quick marlin]

nah in normal seasons i cap out at about 22-23 before i chill.

[gray steeple]

Archi said after reck at least once. Dunno if tat changed

[obsidian wave]

@quick marlin for m+ pug at your stage, it's been suggested Pip's is the most consistent (if you're not grouping for Icon or OCE)

[rare kite]

then i would suggest call to chaos, very good in keys where the extra damage taken won't kill you

[rare kite]

for fury ye, but we're in the arms channel

[gray steeple]

Last week, it did about 7-9% of my damage, Augury,

[obsidian wave]

Aug is inconsistent for short fights (sub 5min)

[quick marlin]

i've heard good thing about pip's (from our cool uncle critcake) but never got it to play around with last season.

[quick marlin]

oh I can still die haha! but thanks, i'll check that out as well!

[gray steeple]

If you plan to play Arms and Fury, Augury is solid. If not, consider pips or wii imo

[rare kite]

yeye but i mean to one shots, it's why the highest rio warriors don't use call to chaos since the extra 5% means they die to oneshots

[quick marlin]

yeah this was my experience in s3, but not sure how that might compare to having the extra dmg from increased stats on my main abilities, ya know? hard for my to compare unless i'm purely simming i suppose.

[somber lance]

pips is also good

it's the best if you don't have reliable OCE or ICon buffs

"technically"

OCE is most versatile though in my eyes, that's what i bought first

[rare kite]

if you're considering pips you shoud sim OCE and WII with no buffs incase. they might still be better and chances of other people having OCE in your group is prob decently high

[quick marlin]

for sure, this makes sense. i'm not on the bleeding edge whatsoever ("i'm a bebe"), so that would not be of critical concern

[quick marlin]

will do!

[somber lance]

if you raid then OCE will most likely be always better

[hallow turtle]

My OCE still sims out as a 2600 dps increase without any buffs

[quick marlin]

i guess the benefit of OCE is I can put "OCE" in my pug queue notes and hope that the group leader's let me in for the buffs without confusing it with oceanic server disclaimer! 🙃

[signal dock]

I just put in my note "I do dam, trust" and it tends to work out

That and I have my spriests io connected to it

[royal jungle]

[glass sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/930995817614016562/1241875651271725197/image.png?ex=664bca54&is=664a78d4&hm=6918ae7cba2663d940796bfd5c1fa00838fc505f990a371567465840eba0ceb9&

[nova marsh]

Does quick strike slap for arms?

[fossil thistle]

Too many healing tinkers

Quick strike is decent

[main idol]

can anyone recraft signet of titanic insight i got silence ingame xD please

[fossil thistle]

Yea just server transfer to me

[gray steeple]

You realize people here are from EU, NA and OCE. Ask your guild

[main idol]

what guild bro

[fossil thistle]

Public work order

Ezpz

[main idol]

can only do personal bro

im on NA servers

[fossil thistle]

Can’t do public because you’re silenced?

[main idol]

No for the recraft only personal option available

[fossil thistle]

Rip

Inspect people and see who crafted their rings and send it to them

😂

[main idol]

xD

[astral yarrow]

poetic justice

[gray steeple]

No guild. Silenced in-game. Asks for help without giving a shred of info. You have to be the Homecoming queen.

😄

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/grease-sandy-john-travolta-gif-13422690612938548039

Tell me about it, @gray steeple

[main idol]

thanks guys

[quasi torrent]

@halcyon breach meow

[tiny mist]

At what ilvl can I comfortably play +10 keys as arms?

[gray steeple]

with leggy or without?

[tiny mist]

Without

With Ashkandur, Eranog ring, OCE, shadowflame boots and versa wrists

[gray steeple]

Try it and see

[boreal quartz]

i did 10s at 490 no 4p

but thats not what LFG will inv

[nova marsh]

Lfg won't even invite a full bis world first mythic warrior

Who also has like 2 1% titles

[slow saddle]

515-520 id say 😄

if u wanna get into the keys

to complete em as he said way less 😄

[left talon]

I was a nobody until I put a shield on

[fossil thistle]

Can comfortable say 490ilvl can do 10s.
Fyralath is obviously a nice boost but if you’re playing properly you should still be competitive

[fossil thistle]

“Idc If you’ve been 4k, R1 or play in liquid.
If you’re not a mage, evoker, shadow priest or boomkin I don’t want yoou”
-1784io MM hunter who dies to spiteful

[winged brook]

That's generous thinking these players are capable of formulating full sentences

They just stare at tier lists that their favourite youtubers put out and make monkey noises

[sacred anvil]

🤣

[manic stirrup]

thats literally just not true

what is with this crazy narritive

narrative

well known good warriors get into keys literally every season bc theyre good

and are known to be consistently good

youre not going to be invited to every key because having only 1 dispell for afflicted is fucking cursed, even if its doable

having no soothe in some keys is cursed even if its doable

[sacred anvil]

Well known good warriors also get denied often because of perceived "meta" comps

[hazy flower]

its weird at the start of the season

but later on it all depends on the key level

[inner wasp]

wowhead is kill!

[hazy flower]

unironically

I had much easier time to get invited to 30's last season

than to 28's

MUCH

like I was fucking shocked

[manic stirrup]

yeah bc ppl that peak at 28s think you need full meta

[sacred anvil]

Weird

[manic stirrup]

and ppl doing homework 30s realize anyone with a brain can do high m+ keys on any class

[hazy flower]

then they understand

nah it wasnt homework

it was rio for everyone

but then they understand

warrior is fucking tanky

it can do some damage

and reflect on yazma slaps

I got invited to most of the 30 ad tyra I applied to

[manic stirrup]

was exaggeration but yeah, theres certain keylevels that are like

peak key levels

saw a similar thing at 25s in s2

[hazy flower]

however rn

at least week 1-2

I had issues getting invited to 8's on my war

[manic stirrup]

would have literally every key except one fort key on 25 or higher

[hazy flower]

if I wasnt tank

[manic stirrup]

and cant get into the last one i need

[hazy flower]

even though I was 3800 last season

[sacred anvil]

I'ma just learn to tank

[hazy flower]

but I guess this season just lacks tanks AA LOT

like I've been scrolling AV 9-9

and saw 18 groups full ready except for the tank

[manic stirrup]

if you fuck up once as a tank

theres a good chance your whole group wipes

[winged brook]

Doesn't help that DF design is garbage when it comes to dungeons

Every mob is a caster, sometimes with multiple spells of which 1 or 2 are unkickable and need stuns

Doesn't help that only DH can reliably group shit and aoe silence

[royal jungle]

During leveling where you're supposed to struggle with rage, you overflow with it even while using ignore pain on cooldown. Once you scale, it's simply okay

[smoky kayak]

depends on the level; until you get to DN, you tend to struggle p hard for rage, since all you really have for MT is Whirlwind spam

[inner wasp]

im honestly surprised nobody has found a way to break out of pandaria yet

thought for sure blizz would simply forget something

[nova marsh]

The only way I could think of that I didn't test was teldrassil during landfall on ally

You could try and fly down the tree but I didn't

[fossil thistle]

The fact people already frog farmed to 556 ilvl is fucking dumb

[compact geyser]

can i get a few tips for m grimtotem?

[lone imp]

Sweep good, hold initial cd’s for big add, don’t use big cd’s on intermission

Make mouseover execute macro if you aren’t already using

[fervent stream]

when do I cleave instead of MS? 5+?

[halcyon breach]

Nya

[lone imp]

3 if no ss, 5 if ss

[ashen arrow]

for simming arms warrior using raid bots. is dungeon slice an accurate representation for us for simming m+ keys? if not, what is an accurate representation if any exist?

[timber solar]

are there any macro for arms to hlep with button bloat

[rare kite]

there is not

if you haven't already you can remove rend from your bars tho

[fervent stream]

I have about 30 keybinds. its not too bad.

[frigid lava]

30 keybinds... remind me of wotlk days

[umbral echo]

is it better to run 2 blue silk embelishment or 1 blue silk and the wrists of companionship?

[rare kite]

2 blue silken lining is more dps, 1 wrists makes you a bit more tanky. keep in mind bsl gets better when you know how to press defensives, ip,dbts, sr

[torn delta]

stack mastery not crit at remix?

[elder ice]

No idea. These are my stats atm lol

[torn delta]

lol

[steady plover]

are you and erga the only main warriors in the guild

[grand idol]

I would have to assume since so much of your damage comes from procs vers is probably every ones top stat.

[teal fossil]

every borrowed power is affected by crit vers

usually crit is a bit better cuz its cheaper

[clever crag]

Jeez thats a fuckton

[cinder lotus]

what talents u guys running in mop

[granite basin]

Leech vs avoidance?

Enchants

[lucid lotus]

Avoidance

[halcyon breach]

The same as in retail

[smoky kayak]

priority might shift a little bit in the early levels (if you're questing or doing dungeons, I'd suggest rushing DN, B&T, and Cleave before even CS/WB), but otherwise you can use the Hybrid Bladestorm for pretty much everything

[rose matrix]

When you are going against a boss like Primal Council does abilities like Whirlwind go up in the rotation, or do you just go full ST with SS up?

[smoky kayak]

Whirlwind with Storm of Swords is already pretty high up in the rotation

if you're not playing with SoS for whatever reason, then yeah it would be higher up while SS isn't active

[rose matrix]

Yeah didn't really think about the fact it was already that high. Even if it did go up at all it would only go above mortal strike

[boreal quartz]

Erga doesnt play anymore so it's just me

[quasi torrent]

just 2 main warrs, king

[pale ruin]

Remix Question: Curiously, am i the only one who is doing like 0 damage compared to my mates other classes as a warrior? Level 68. I also get 2 hit by every mob. Have all tinker gems, and meta gems

[quasi torrent]

warr is aggresively mid in remix

• having all tinker gems doesnt mean u equip the right ones
• are they same level as you? are they 70 and went frogging? are they low level and scaling is fucked?