lmao
#arms
frigid lava
tough tangle
reef birch
hope
frigid lava
one more superbloom :0
novel hollow
Oce + whispering gigachad combo for m+m
?
Or better pbox + oce
I can crank out pbox hero track if i just spam aa and buy oce
I dont raid mythic so dont rlly care about signet
boreal quartz
Onuse generally beats double passive in keys imo
neon hedge
is oce good if none else uses it tho
rugged wave
Why do my sims prefer fragment over box? Cause of bladestorm?
neon hedge
simming trinkets is so shit
rugged wave
I'm trying to decide which one is more annoying cast time or ticking down buff
Might go for 2x passive really
boreal quartz
Why do my sims prefer fragment over box? Cause of bladestorm?
It's better for burst which dslice favours
Sustained aoe and St Box wins
quartz cedar
i think arms gets more value from fragment due to the time we spend spinning in bladestorm
novel hollow
Oce + icon should be great inside raids
High chance ppl will have it
Kinda want sark cloak paired with absorb ring
opaque citrus
Tanks will never run icon willingly
neon hedge
wish anvil applied to both cleave and ms
quartz cedar
well here's a question. sims say that Icon beats OCE with no one person using it in your party. Why is OCE considered better?
neon hedge
would make this easy
novel hollow
And ill be running shadowflame + allied wrist
fathom apex
Anyone got any advice, tank in M+ and raid as arms. Was wondering what trinket to spend bullions on?
novel hollow
Blue silken lining seems nice
But i take a shit ton of damage cuz i brute force everything
I always risk shit
quartz cedar
sark cloak with no stamina makes me nervous using it in m+. i feel like i die too often as it is.
novel hollow
Though usually in keys "damage taken" im at the bottom
Even if theres 2 range dps
By a considerable amount
novel hollow
sark cloak with no stamina makes me nervous using it in m+. i feel like i die t...
I used sporecloak in keys higher than 25
neon hedge
how trustworthy is dungeon slice
quartz cedar
that's because the ranged DPS always fail to drag the frogs into the Gulp Zone and just run around out there taking their poison dots
novel hollow
Sark cloak id die often
novel hollow
that's because the ranged DPS always fail to drag the frogs into the Gulp Zone a...
That boss i feel like im playing with ppl that have 70iq
Like why drag frogs away from boss
????
novel hollow
Yeah
Ill do that too
Absorb is bis
Same like having a fucking sporecloak
But better
novel hollow
Double BSL possible?
novel hollow
Hmm
How good is it?
Thats like having 50% puzzle box active all the time
If u can keep hp above 90%
halcyon breach
Had this uptime through a BRH 10 I did
quartz cedar
i mean, i like it. im usually 1st or 2nd in dps and have a higher uptime than 55%
strange perch
Hi Banezi
quartz cedar
83% nice!
halcyon breach
Which helps quite a bit
wispy tiger
BSL uptime is easy if you don't stand in stupid places
halcyon breach
hello b
novel hollow
i mean, i like it. im usually 1st or 2nd in dps and have a higher uptime than 5...
Im 508 with shadowflame+allied and 489 shitty trinks
I sim 350k and end up doing 320k ish
But thats usually because i dont have enough buffs
That i sim
strange perch
allied is kinda dog
halcyon breach
Not really
It's still fine if you really don't want to use BSL for whatever reason
novel hollow
For me its probably dog because i have 28% versa
proud willow
For my second bullion is Cata trinket really the way to go? I'm going to be doing alot of m+ and i feel like the trinket is a bit bait.
halcyon breach
I would not buy Signet Brand if all you do is M+
novel hollow
Dont think i need that much versa
strange perch
the 489 varient is like 76 vers, which can stack. so maybe good for raid? idk i had this same issue yesterday
quartz cedar
Although I have the Broodkeeper ring
Im thinking that even though this is a defensive ring, it should grant you higher BSL uptime which would mean higher dps
halcyon breach
It's only good if you're doing the last 2 bosses of each raid, ideally on Mythic before I'd recommend it
neon hedge
I would not buy Signet Brand if all you do is M+
and if you raid aswell? how shit is it in m+
halcyon breach
Im thinking that even though this is a defensive ring, it should grant you highe...
It does give you higher uptime
I haven't kept track of my uptime through keys because I cba
But 83% is definitely on the higher end
proud willow
I would not buy Signet Brand if all you do is M+
what would be a better option?
halcyon breach
2085 with 2x 525 BSL
novel hollow
Big
bold jolt
What does BSL stand for
novel hollow
Probably insane for fury too
strange perch
1x bsl and 1x sf is fine you think banezi?
eager gust
What does BSL stand for
Blue Silken Lining
halcyon breach
and if you raid aswell? how shit is it in m+
Depends a lot on your tank and the dungeon. If you can maintain it, it's very strong for boss/prio damage but maintaining it can be a pain
quartz cedar
ill sign in and tell you, Hastecake
halcyon breach
My general recommendation for Bullion spending is Lego > Eranog > OCE/Icon (depending on your group and if you pug) > Broodkeeper > Whatever else you're still missing like Cloak etc if you want to use that (not really recommended either on my end)
halcyon breach
I was lucky enough to get OCE this week in vault, so I just insta bought Broodkeeper ring, but Pips is also a very good option instead of OCE/Icon if all you do is pug, since it's not reliant on your group
halcyon breach
1x bsl and 1x sf is fine you think banezi?
Sure, if you don't have lego the 1x SF helps proc the rings
proud willow
My general recommendation for Bullion spending is Lego > Eranog > OCE/Icon (depe...
unfortunately dont have the lego 😦 So I think Icon or OCE it is!
olive nest
Brood ring in two weeks
novel hollow
I only cleares 8/9 atdh heroic
olive nest
real saddle
My general recommendation for Bullion spending is Lego > Eranog > OCE/Icon (depe...
and if i pug all the m+? what u recomend?
strange perch
Sure, if you don't have lego the 1x SF helps proc the rings
yeah no lego yet, next week will be my 11th run
quartz cedar
How much mastery is it?
1958 mastery with 2x BSL for me. Im ilevel 518
tough steppe
One question
How can i use raidbots to tell me which piece of gear i should use my crests
halcyon breach
unfortunately dont have the lego 😦 So I think Icon or OCE it is!
If your character is very new, Ashkandur is also good as your first purchase, on top of being your best offhand if you decide to play Fury
novel hollow
Pretty big
halcyon breach
and if i pug all the m+? what u recomend?
Either OCE and Icon are still good with your own buff alone
proud willow
If your character is very new, Ashkandur is also good as your first purchase, on...
yep Ash is the first one i picked!
halcyon breach
How can i use raidbots to tell me which piece of gear i should use my crests
Go into top gear, press the "+" on items, and select the level you want to upgrade them to
proud willow
gave up on lego farming for this expac kekw
halcyon breach
If you don't have your weekly cap of crests yet, you can manually add them at the top of the top gear page
tough steppe
...oh boy, that might be a lot of combinations 
halcyon breach
Depending on how many items, it doesn't add up that much
real saddle
is Neltharion's not good ?
wispy tiger
I am a proud representative of the "don't waste buillions on ashkandur yet" gang
2H w good stats and comparable ilvl is barely worse than the mid cantrip that doesn't effect 80% of enemies in game.
novel hollow
Nelth is good
halcyon breach
Call to Chaos?
real saddle
yes
halcyon breach
It's good, but I wouldn't recommend it if you push high keys
tough steppe
It is if you can deal with the extra damage taken
real saddle
im at 22 atm
halcyon breach
I am a proud representative of the "don't waste buillions on ashkandur yet" gang...
It affects every target, just does double damage to Humanoids
wispy tiger
It affects every target, just does double damage to Humanoids
Still mid
halcyon breach
It is if you can deal with the extra damage taken
If you do push high keys then simply just use something that's consistent and doesn't risk killing you
halcyon breach
A proc at a bad time can be the difference between you dying or living by a small amount
real saddle
10 is 20 now
quartz cedar
My general recommendation for Bullion spending is Lego > Eranog > OCE/Icon (depe...
For what it's worth, Icon sims higher for me than OCE without any other person using it
halcyon breach
For what it's worth, Icon sims higher for me than OCE without any other person u...
Yeah they're still good on their own, just becomes a lot better based on your groups setup
tough steppe
For what it's worth, Icon sims higher for me than OCE without any other person u...
Did you turn that off?
wispy tiger
10s feel like 20-22. And Tyrannical aoe is nuking even in keys that low.
quartz cedar
yes
halcyon breach
But at the end of the day, what I recommend is to not worry so much about what you buy
As long as you buy a recommended good item, you're gonna be fine
You get bullions, and gear in general, very quickly this season
manic stirrup
10s feel like 20-22. And Tyrannical aoe is nuking even in keys that low.
10s feel like 20s because thats what they are tuned to be
manic stirrup
key still hurts wdym
livid basin
novel hollow
Did a 10rlp at 490
wispy tiger
10s feel like 20s because thats what they are tuned to be
Yeah I know but some of the abilities feel like they hit WAY harder now. Wing Buffet (last boss of ULDA) in particular is doing insane damage.
tough steppe
Second floor of RLP in a +15 in fortified week
quartz cedar
I guess the question between OCE vs Icon, which one are other classes actually willing to use. I heard someone say a tank wouldnt use icon because there are better options out there
tough steppe
Do one of these
real saddle
Yeah I know but some of the abilities feel like they hit WAY harder now. Wing Bu...
u can reflect that every time
tall breach
tough steppe
I got a +14 Uldaman here and i just don't wanna do this key at all
Cause golems will murder everyone
strange perch
Did a 10rlp at 490
thas a carry
halcyon breach
I guess the question between OCE vs Icon, which one are other classes actually w...
Yeah tanks generally don't want to use Icon unless they don't care about their personal throughput
tough steppe
Gonna have to lust at earthquake golem
novel hollow
thas a carry
Still did 350k
wispy tiger
u can reflect that every time
Oh I'm not pushing on warrior I just vault fill. But pushing on mage is tuff rn shit borderline one shots me.
halcyon breach
Or if they really need a defensive option instead in that trinket slot
strange perch
Still did 350k
yeah we did that last season
limber stream
Im just a bit confused with reading the wowhead guide and was looking for some clarification on aoe. Do i only cleave at 2 stacks of MP?
halcyon breach
At 5 or more targets, yes ideally
real saddle
cleave 5
halcyon breach
But the difference between that, and OP -> Cleave spamming at that target count and above, is around 1%~
2x OP -> Cleave is just more priority damage which is often the more important type of damage to do
limber stream
ah that makes sense, tyvm
novel hollow
Aa is my fav dung now
Im gonna run double blp and get my pbox
To see those multi million dps meters
limber stream
im maining prot warr while messing around with arms and man does it make me wanna go bsl over my 2x shadowflames lol
somber lance
Still did 350k
You give lessons?
fossil thistle
Arms just fucks good
sharp wyvern
so is the broodkeeper ring biS because of the stats or just as a defensive layer OR just Ilvl
cause i dont understand how my 515 HoI ring sims better
coarse glade
Did you guys already decided what trinket to buy with bullion this week? Signet seems to be awesome in the sim, but shit in most real world fights 😄 Sim Says für 3 Min fight to go for Branch 😄 What did you guys do? I even tend to go for Grieftorch, if I ever care to go for boost runs lol
halcyon breach
so is the broodkeeper ring biS because of the stats or just as a defensive layer...
Sort of a mix
The stats are good regardless, no stats are bad really for Arms
left talon
Cause golems will murder everyone
You can LoS thunderclaps
halcyon breach
And the shield does a lot of HPS throughout a fight/key
coarse glade
so is the broodkeeper ring biS because of the stats or just as a defensive layer...
i guess good stats + def is good combo, specially if you go for sark cloak
shell skiff
Puzzle box atm and whispering icon im running
halcyon breach
For me, a 535 Broodkeeper ring was a tiny bit behind a 515 HoI ring, but didn't care about the small loss for the bigger gain in survivability, and the help to maintain BSL
novel hollow
Did you guys already decided what trinket to buy with bullion this week? Signet ...
Ill buy oce/icon prolly
Not sure
Will sim between the 2 combined with pbox
quiet quest
Yeah, felt weird dropping dps for shield ring, but yea, pretty cool
Now I can lolstorm with a little less stress
coarse glade
Ill buy oce/icon prolly
i have hc icon, but idk if I wanna go oce 😄
Also no heal or Tank is going Icon in my raid 😦
rare kite
For me, a 535 Broodkeeper ring was a tiny bit behind a 515 HoI ring, but didn't ...
how much higher uptime does it give on bsl? did you increase the uptime for bsl in the sim after? if so did that break even
halcyon breach
Don't know
Sent a picture up above after a BRH 10 where I had 83% uptime of BSL
Which like, I don't keep track of from dungeon to dungeon
But definitely on the higher end
rare kite
prob a dps increase just through the bsl uptime increase then
halcyon breach
Likely yeah
fossil thistle
Yup
halcyon breach
But I didn't want to change BSL uptime to reflect it
fossil thistle
Same as using ignore pain for rot damage to rage dump
rare kite
yeye
fossil thistle
I always sim BSL at 50% because 35-40% is low low end. 60-70% seems typical
sacred zodiac
But I didn't want to change BSL uptime to reflect it
i change my bsl uptime to 100 to brag with my sims
halcyon breach
i change my bsl uptime to 100 to brag with my sims
I think you should do this
meager prairie
how do we deal with winds in melee
halcyon breach
What winds
sacred zodiac
wdym
halcyon breach
On Crawk?
real saddle
eagle eye-view
halcyon breach
Or RLP last boss
sacred zodiac
they clearly meant raszageth winds
halcyon breach
Crawk it's just dodge, RLP last boss depends on your tanks movement and how good your group is with placement of pools
real saddle
what about Voice of the Silent Star?
halcyon breach
Keep an eye on where your BW/DBM says the next winds will go, and pre-position yourself
halcyon breach
what about Voice of the Silent Star?
Lowest priority purchase imo
real saddle
but is it a purchase ?
halcyon breach
Sure, but the lowest one
fossil thistle
Everything is a purchase
rare kite
what about Voice of the Silent Star?
it's better than a regular cloak dps wise, but nothing crazy
halcyon breach
As in buy it if you have nothing else to buy
rare nest
Is the racial passive for Orcs so bad? They seem to sim quite low on the racial types.
fossil thistle
Flat stat gain is consistent compared to a small CD
rare kite
ye orc is not great for us
meager prairie
suggestions for keeping uptime in cyclone on dathea?
slow saddle
halcyon breach
suggestions for keeping uptime in cyclone on dathea?
Back peddle at first, 2nd stage walk side ways while keeping your front towards Dathea, last stage save leap with bounding stridies/get windrush totem or other external movement
coarse glade
With what fight length are you simming? 3 Minutes or 5? 3 Seems so much more accurate in most scenarios, but the results are so weirdo
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qTvDzjRvHoam2Kin7HGQ25
rare kite
5
coarse glade
Branch just sims so good under 5 Minutes, but I just dont wanna buy it haha
olive nest
Simming less than 5 is for reference
halcyon breach
It's not worth spending 2 Bullions on
olive nest
I wouldn’t gear around it specifically
unborn canyon
Don't, just kill mythic gnarlroot if you want it
coarse glade
It's not worth spending 2 Bullions on
thats what I think haha
But oce sims bad in every scenario and signet is only real good from 4:30+
olive nest
Oce is great with all buffs
coarse glade
But I have to rely on, that I get all buffs in my raid, or not?
olive nest
Well, yes of course
quartz cedar
what about Voice of the Silent Star?
I get the absorb ring before i get the sark cloak. No stamina on the sark cloak means more deaths in m+
random ibex
I get the absorb ring before i get the sark cloak. No stamina on the sark cloak...
you can catalyze it for a vers/mastery (fury) or crit/vers (arms) 535 cloak
quartz cedar
catalyze the sark cloak???
random ibex
yes
quartz cedar
wouldnt that remove the bonus?
tough steppe
You can LoS thunderclaps
I know that, but most tanks don't, so they tank in a place where you can't Los the golems
I wish we could Los the earthquake golem
quartz cedar
why would anyone do that? My point was that the sark cloak is interesting, but you need to be careful due to the loss of stamina
the absorb ring helps with that
random ibex
because if you push m+ you dont want to lose the stamina
strong tendon
the cloak is a higher ilvl and so catalyzed would still be bis
random ibex
and it would be a higher ilevel than anything else you can gbet
quartz cedar
if im spending bullion, im buying the absorb ring first, then the sark cloak
the cloak maxxes out at 535?
what does the cloak go to?
random ibex
yes
surreal creek
We going to be drowning in bullions soon. Two cloak squad supremacy.
quartz cedar
i understand now. thanks for the clarification.
olive nest
Catalyzing sark cloak keeps the ilvl!?
random ibex
yes
olive nest
That’s actually really good then nice!
cobalt lily
heya guys ...i got 522 puzzle from vault....which 2nd trink should get chromatic essence or whispers to pair it 😄 ?
olive nest
I won’t consider it until after broodkeeper or anvil/signet though
olive nest
heya guys ...i got 522 puzzle from vault....which 2nd trink should get chromatic...
OCE will be best if you can get all buffs
Icon dps+healer will beat a no buff oce
I personally went OCE
random ibex
if you do mostly m+ brand is trash and anvil is a little better, but augury for pugs is a better bet
olive nest
Knowing my guild will have all buffs for raid
olive nest
if you do mostly m+ brand is trash and anvil is a little better, but augury for ...
I’m gearing my toon specifically to min max raid with guild
That’s why I want those for reclearing the long bosses every week
cobalt lily
I personally went OCE
cool i ll go for OCE too then
olive nest
What’s great about OCE is even without all buffs you can swing your secondaries around with the buffs
So it helps you min max your stats
cobalt lily
gotcha 😄
naive breach
buy pips 
olive nest
Pips is a solid option if you only pug and will have no buffs most of the time
naive breach
seems like impossible to ever have more than 1 oce buff unless you play with a shamon maybe
i mean
icon
olive nest
Rdruid can run Icon
naive breach
at least in my team im d00med
olive nest
Iirc it’s on there bullion list
naive breach
pink warrior anvil ashen thingy
olive nest
They just wouldn’t run it in M+
naive breach
tank ney
spriest dno tbh
how much stats do you get again
if say 1 other person has oce
gray steeple
Augury is Arms’ secret trinket tech.
olive nest
if say 1 other person has oce
You would get 78 of there buffs stat
Uh iirc it’s 78, right around that
I’d have to double check wowhead again
naive breach
Augury is Arms’ secret trinket tech.
secret you say
wet jasper
Hi. I'm busy debating on what to use my Bullion on.
I mainly play M+, not capable of Mythic raiding. My premades aren't using any of the shared buff trinkets like Icon/OCE. Want some advice on how to sim myself. I went for multiple sims and came to the conclusion that branch would be the next best thing.
Can I please ask for some input from all you veterans? ^^
stable osprey
got the same problem. I cannot chose what to buy with bullions. i mostly pug (10-12) got already the seal of diurna.
wet jasper
I'll try that quickly, thanks.
wintry scroll
how do i sim best food pls
raven nymph
Hi. I'm busy debating on what to use my Bullion on.
I mainly play M+, not capab...
Shield Ring
olive nest
Hi. I'm busy debating on what to use my Bullion on.
I mainly play M+, not capab...
What bullion items do you currently have and what rings/trinkets do you have?
Oh nvm I see the screenshot
I’d go Eranog ring next
Free damage
rapid bronze
cheating
wet jasper
how many kills do you have on fyrakk?
I just killed Fyrakk and didn't get it. I think I'm on 5. Sadge 😭
wet jasper
I’d go Eranog ring next
The ring over a trinket?
gilded turret
Quick question: Does Fatal Mark scale with CS or Avatar? i.e. should we have buffs up before proccing Fatal Mark?
wet jasper
Shield Ring
You're referring to the broodkeeper ring, right?
raven nymph
Yea
olive nest
The ring over a trinket?
Yes the Eranog ring is the only item in that slot that adds a dps proc
naive breach
You're referring to the broodkeeper ring, right?
eranog ring
olive nest
Always worth
raven nymph
It’s rediculous.
olive nest
You want that eventually
You also want broodkeeper ring eventually
Does insane hps
Helps Boosts BSL uptime
raven nymph
If your also fury, makes you basically invincible
sterile vault
Bonjour y a t'il des francais ? je cherche a acheter un triket j'ai deja la marque sigillaire je ne sais pas quel autre je pourrais prendre... Merci a vous
stable osprey
I think i go for the Aug Trinket. Since i don't need to look for my group buffs
stable osprey
It’s not horrible but it’s rng
the aug you mean?
wet jasper
Helps Boosts BSL uptime
You say it helps BSL uptime, would the play then be to have 1 BSL with the wrist?
hollow mica
I only really got Puzzlebox Hero and Rageheart Myth. I tank both raid and m+ but mainly do arms in m+. What trinket should I get that works for both content/specs ? I think it's between OCE and Anvil ye?
olive nest
Anvil is sick on long boss encounters
shell skiff
why not boots BSL?
hazy flower
Quick question: Does Fatal Mark scale with CS or Avatar? i.e. should we have buf...
Only with tom
Aka raw str
olive nest
OCE is great all around
hollow mica
I use S3 Aug still though just because it's got the damage still
olive nest
Specially in raid
olive nest
why not boots BSL?
You don’t want to craft boots because you loose ilvl on a higher stated item
hollow mica
So 1 vote for OCE and 1 for Anvil. Life is good 😅
stable osprey
OCE is great all around
see pm if you got the time
stable osprey
So 1 vote for OCE and 1 for Anvil. Life is good 😅
😄
wet jasper
Thanks for the assistance everyone, always appreciate it ❤️
olive nest
Wrist/cloak are the best options to craft if you’re not doing jewelry pieces
Because you lose the least amount of stats from being less ilvl on the crafted piece
flat vine
I use S3 Aug still though just because it's got the damage still
No shot a s3 augery is losing to even a champion lvl trinket. The STR gains alone would outweigh the damage.
naive breach
Thanks for the assistance everyone, always appreciate it ❤️
if youre not in a hurry you could wait 1 week in case you loot the leg next week so you could insta go for 535 weapon otherwise ring good choice
olive nest
Also a solid option to always have 2 billions banked incase Lego drops
Specially if you are actively farming it weekly
frigid lava
pandaria proving ground doesn't work for legendary quest cd
frigid lava
like... choosing bronze/silver/gold?
frigid lava
k trying more options
frigid lava
got it... it works when u choose a role
naive breach
yeahh booooy
quartz cedar
Question: when you guys select a buff in AA, which one do you take? Crit or haste?
or something else?
frigid lava
HASTE!
quartz cedar
so without question, haste all the time?
unborn canyon
I choose vers cause DR, but that's just me
raven nymph
Mastery.
quartz cedar
haha
rapid bronze
pick vers if you're having trouble staying alive, haste otherwise
maybe vers on tyrannical
oblique jewel
frigid lava
yea... i'd be haste or vers (if survival is an issue)
frigid lava
what's red
naive breach
vers
frigid lava
ic
fringe moon
trying to decide on what to purchase with my buillon this week...suggestions for something that is decent for both M+ and Raid? Was considering the sark cloak since signet and anvil (for raid) are relatively easy to obtain.
latent silo
Man I hate myself. Trying to figure out if I want to alt war or pally. The problem is I hate holy and or suck at it should I just onga bunga?
random ibex
trying to decide on what to purchase with my buillon this week...suggestions for...
augury
raven nymph
Only you can decide if you’re onga enough to bunga.
latent silo
I don’t like the war is not great with utility but the hero talents look fun as fuck
raven nymph
If you’re going to avoid using any utility spells as Ret, just smash on warrior
halcyon breach
trying to decide on what to purchase with my buillon this week...suggestions for...
Broodkeeper ring
unborn canyon
Augury is mid for m+ on arms, get brood keeper ring
Or fryakk rage heart if you are pushing really high and need it
halcyon breach
Your trinkets are already great, and Sark is personally hard to recommend
fringe moon
Broodkeeper ring
I thought about that, but is it noticeable?
halcyon breach
It's very noticeable yes
Through keys, at 515, it does roughly 5-6 million healing roughly
latent silo
I mean I do utility on ret but it’s like warrior I could play all three specs. I hate the way holy plays and prot is ok.
halcyon breach
Some bosses/keys it's a lot more noticeable
Also helps if you ever craft BSL/have BSL
raven nymph
Ring is love
fringe moon
Some bosses/keys it's a lot more noticeable
is there an internal CD on the proc rate?
frigid lava
I can see like... mythic BH fortified
wintry scroll
doing god's work
frigid lava
mastery will shine
olive nest
Yuge
rugged wave
Make this make sense: patchwerk, 5min, max ilvl trinkets: augury sims +8,5k dps, puzzlebox +2,5k dps. I thought augury is bad for us?
Same slot ofc
halcyon breach
is there an internal CD on the proc rate?
I don't know if there's an ICD, but the proc rate is 2rppm hasted
raven nymph
Aug not bad, maybe not “bis”. Puzzler insane on short fights / burst.
halcyon breach
So it's fairly often for a 250k~ shield
raven nymph
I think I had 4.6 million healed on Sennarth
random ibex
@fringe moon 13 Brackenhide broodkeeper ring healing
raven nymph
Another 4 milly on Terros
halcyon breach
It's a very substantial shield throughout a fight/dungeon
raven nymph
BSL didn’t dip below 50% in raid
wet jasper
damnnnn
halcyon breach
So yeah
fringe moon
I never had the honors of obtaining that ring during the normal season because everybody and their friends all wanted it, lol
winter plover
Should i buy Essence or Signet Brand ?
fossil thistle
<@704905561006669895> 13 Brackenhide broodkeeper ring healing
"but its not even that good"
the non believers
raven nymph
Signet only good on last bosses, if you’re there just try to natty loot it. Kill times are way too fast for it
Only going to get faster
winter plover
true thanks
frigid lava
yes
raven nymph
MBG 
summer quartz
heyoooo, grats
frigid lava
ty fellow warriors
frigid lava
my hearthstone is till on cd
now i have to go get a bullion... hmm queue for a normal raid?
fossil thistle
Do it
fringe moon
I think need to farm a new neck and belt to fix this mastery issue...
with PB activated...
brisk sedge
could anyone share chromatic essence sim string to sim all stats at once ?
loud fulcrum
skyhold ping
tough steppe
mf in my group got double reflected in uldaman
logged off
never came back
first pull btw
i love uldaman
frigid lava
who doesn't
alpine burrow
Hey everyone! Need your guys’ opinion on what I should spend my remaining bullions on as a person who mainly does m+.
So I am using a 522 ashkandur because I still haven’t gotten the legendary even this week on heroic. However, I still have a shot at mythic this week (currently at 7 kills heroic, 1 on mythic)
Also, I currently still don’t have a stat stick trinket such as the OCE, Icon, or Pips. I was considering to go with Pips but then it sims lower for me in patchwerk (but higher in dungeon slice).
So now I’m choosing between 528 ashkandur, Pips, or OCE
dire hinge
Hey everyone! Need your guys’ opinion on what I should spend my remaining bullio...
you can always wait until after raid to see what you get, or make the purchase early and if it drops then that gear goes to someone else on your team (which isn't bad either). There are a few posts in the #updates-midnight channel about bullion recommendations that may help you such as these two:
spare goblet
Any idea why the runes that people choose to use on their weapons isn't on logs?
dire hinge
buzzing/howling, but you can sim which is best for you at the bottom of raidbots under the Simulation Options section and selecting the weapon rune
mild hound
Any idea why the runes that people choose to use on their weapons isn't on logs?
Should be on the players log as well, on the right side of the screen showing gear
spare goblet
buzzing/howling, but you can sim which is best for you at the bottom of raidbots...
Awesome thank you both.
dire hinge
example on WCL
spare goblet
Ah I see now.
bleak fog
As a pugplayer would you go for Augury or OCE, do some raid here and ther but most time spent in M+
opal folio
Should consider nelth trinket over augury
alpine burrow
Hi can I clarify this, because I'm choosing between the Ominous, Icon, or Pips trinket. My team will not be running the Ominous or Icon, so I was told to go with Pips. The problem is, Pips sims lower for me in Patchwerk.
alpine burrow
you can always wait until after raid to see what you get, or make the purchase e...
ty!
limpid current
anyone run into the attunement of OCE not applying until you reequip the trinket?
is this a feature?
halcyon breach
Hi can I clarify this, because I'm choosing between the Ominous, Icon, or Pips t...
When you're comparing, are you comparing the three trinkets with just your own individual buff, or all of the buffs on Icon/OCE
dire hinge
In raid, to my knowledge, anyone running a stat stick trinket should be running OCE, even if there are buff overlaps, since it’s the best of the three if they’re all available
Icon is best in dungeons, where you’re limited to only 5 people wearing it, where it’s more likely to be beneficial in that smaller pairing.
alpine burrow
When you're comparing, are you comparing the three trinkets with just your own i...
just individual! and the oce and icon both sim lower as well
halcyon breach
And what are you now comparing all these three trinkets to, if all of them sim lower
alpine burrow
And what are you now comparing all these three trinkets to, if all of them sim l...
Algethar and Cataclysmic Signet Brand
halcyon breach
Right
You are not gonna be using Brand in keys
Unless you're absolutely sure you'll never drop the stacks, which depend on the route and dungeon, where some dungeons it's simply not possible to keep them
It's primarily a raid trinket, not really an ideal one for keys
Where as Pips, or Icon/OCE, are stat sticks that are just universally good
If you say you'll only have your own buff, then pick whichever of the three that sim the best for you in an ST scenario
unborn canyon
Yeah, stats are stats
alpine burrow
Where as Pips, or Icon/OCE, are stat sticks that are just universally good
got it, so with my current situation (My team will not be running the Ominous or Icon), should I just go with pips then?
The problem is, in patchwerk, the icon sims -1% less, pips sims -1.3% less, and ominous sims -1.6% less
halcyon breach
In a pure patchwerk setting yes, they'd sim less than Brand which is primarily just an ST trinket
tough steppe
Uldaman is so fucked this week
halcyon breach
Where as all three of those stat sticks are gonna be infinitely stronger in an M+ setting
alpine burrow
Where as all three of those stat sticks are gonna be infinitely stronger in an M...
okay that makes sense. what would you reccomend for me to get given my situation and sims?
halcyon breach
Any three of them works, I would have picked Pips if I knew I would never be in a comp with other OCE/Icons, if it also simmed the best
gilded turret
can someone explain something regarding the leggy: are the greater embers difficulty specific? i.e. if i killed a bunch of HC Fyrrak and then kill a Mythic fyrrak, would my chances at leggy be higher for the first mythic kill? or would first mythic kill count as 0 greater ember stacks?
reef glade
walhe
dire hinge
can someone explain something regarding the leggy: are the greater embers diffic...
Fyrakk kills automatically count their own difficulty “and under” for the week, then increase your chance next week. If you kill it on heroic, it’s the same as killing it on (heroic, normal, and LFR) all at once.
This means if you can kill it on mythic, just kill it on mythic, there is no gaming the drop chance by doing it on different difficulties first
alpine burrow
Any three of them works, I would have picked Pips if I knew I would never be in ...
ok thanks man!
gilded turret
thanks for the info, does previous kills on lower difficulty still boost your odds on mythic? (for the mythic part of the chance i guess)
dire hinge
It should yes, but they’re quite low
A heroic kill adds single-digit percent chances at a time, then swiftly increases to 100% by your 13-15th kill
It’s heavily backweighted
gilded turret
ah okay and mythic adds a larger percent to your chance? is that why about 6 mythic kills get you to 100%?
dire hinge
Yes, though mythic is also backweighted
For visual reference:
Where 1=100% chance
TLDR: just kill it on the highest difficulty you can every week and cross your fingers, with the knowledge that you’ll eventually get it
gilded turret
praige, got it 🙂
dire hinge
Good luck and I hope it drops soon for you!
gilded turret
Thanks for all the info! They way you explained it helped a lot
dire hinge
Of course! It’s one of those odd things that honestly we didn’t have a lot of data around for a long time last season since it was so secretive
outer holly
can you puzzle box before key starts?
obsidian plaza
432 arms warrior got boosted in a random hc today and got it on his first kill. i was fuming 
obsidian plaza
can you puzzle box before key starts?
ye
outer holly
dunno why that never occurred to me before
obsidian plaza
you get the buff and the cd is reset, useful in some keys but you dont get to use it all the time, e.g. academy
austere willow
Quick question. Do you only send MS with 2 stacks of overpower? Or whenever you can even if you have a single stack?
unborn canyon
Bruh, I used puzzlebox all of whatever season AA was originally and didn't know that
Damn
I knew stuff reset after putting in the key, I just never thought to do it for puzzlebox
outer holly
Quick question. Do you only send MS with 2 stacks of overpower? Or whenever you ...
OP doesn't come in to consideration, MS on CD
austere willow
Gotcha, thanks
rugged wave
Okay this might be a weird request but does anyone have a screen how Pip friendship badge procs look like?
As in animation, not buff icon
fickle lotus
Do we first Warbreaker and then TR in M+ Packs ?
rugged wave
I've heard its better to tr before wb
With avatar like 99% of the time
Cause initial hit is garbage
All power is in the dot
I made an avatar/tr/trinket macro and just send that
fickle lotus
I watched Critcakes Video and he Ava-TR-Cleave-WB BS in Nokhud first Pull
fickle lotus
Initial Hit is not worth, ok
rugged wave
Nah you can check for yourself on dps meter in key overall after you finish it
Look for TR not TR (dot)
Hint: it's somewhere at the bottom 🙂
opaque citrus
And why does he cast IP during BS ? For Tactician Proccs ?
It’s free rage
Why wouldn’t you
rugged wave
You overcap on rage during this combo anyway, spending it on ip is no damage loss and it gives healers some semblance of hope in otherwise bleak life
fickle lotus
It’s free rage
True,
elfin kindle
shouldnt 1 OCE be easier to have in a group than 1 icon?
rugged wave
But ip does not proc tactician, not anymore
opaque citrus
IP in bladestorm just makes sense considering that that rage is otherwise wasted
So might as well use it
Even if you don’t get good value from it
You lose nothing
fickle lotus
When is it worth to press Cleave OP during SS when there are MObs in Exe Range ?
rugged wave
And I choose convenience all the time
rugged wave
When is it worth to press Cleave OP during SS when there are MObs in Exe Range ?
When there are 5 or more targets
But it's worth sending MS anyway if there's priority targets
Plus it makes you think less
reef birch
with stats looking like this, what should i spend my 2 bullions on?
i have crit phial and mastery rune on
raven nymph
with stats looking like this, what should i spend my 2 bullions on?
Droptimizer the vendor gear
rugged wave
Lots mobs->ss? Ms, no ss? Cleave
reef birch
Droptimizer the vendor gear
its gona say "use the cloak"
rugged wave
We're warriors not thinkriors
reef birch
need some critical thinking
rugged wave
with stats looking like this, what should i spend my 2 bullions on?
I'd buy the other ring filial duty or sth
raven nymph
its gona say "use the cloak"
Literally use one bit of thinking and cross off stuff you don’t want. Take the best of what your want. Likely Shield Ring
hybrid sinew
if you use puzzlebox before you start a key it dosn't reset does it?
reef birch
swap OCE buff
im thinking if i lucked into looting icon manually, oce is a waste to consider
rugged wave
I'd also buy anvil but don't listen to this piece of advice
I just get an adrenaline rush when I hear the clang
gaunt owl
im thinking if i lucked into looting icon manually, oce is a waste to consider
if you dont need anything you can spend bullions on tmog item too
or get more flexible trinket for duration
reef birch
i think its a tossup between scumbag cloak and barrier ring
as i mainly m+ tho, cloak is gona bite me in the ass eventually
gaunt owl
sark cloak only gonna be a nono for the highest of high key
when you barely survive stuff
raven nymph
guys what is the WA that critcake uses for Fyralath dmmg
!lego in his twitch chat
wintry scroll
ok
gray steeple
Augury. Secret arms tech.
flat vine
But is it? sims mid and eats crests
balmy agate
Does anyone ahve a solution for raidbots? Whenever i sim catalyzing an item it's treating it as season 3 it seems, so I cant accurately sim increaees
flat vine
depends on fight, mythic....ya probably but even then a lot of those fights are getting very short
reef birch
augury wrecked silent star in single target sim
outer holly
Finally broke 400k overall outside of AA and without aug
reef birch
problem is id have to remove pb for it
outer holly
550k in AA but that's cheating
quick frost
Question
Do you wait for two overpower stacks before pressing mortal strike every time or just spam MS off reset?
mild hound
Ms when it’s up, period, from what I thought unless in execute
2x stack for cleave
If your using certain talents you may get 4/5 ms in a row to proc
quick frost
gotcha
zealous basin
mild hound
Simmy sim sim
rugged wave
Icon most universal
mild hound
Oce is more commonly used amongst classes tho I think
In terms of the tertiary buffs it provides
gleaming cosmos
prisma heart
I gave up on icon and oce I'm just a spiteful storm believer now
Kill times are so quick this season that this might be the last week I can use it 
rugged wave
Oce is more commonly used amongst classes tho I think
Maybe but icon is better when you're not sure if and how many and which oce buffs you'll get
reef birch
Do you wait for two overpower stacks before pressing mortal strike every time or...
i always prioritise burning a rage ability when overpower drops below 2 stacks, if MS is up, then thats the go-to
mild hound
Maybe but icon is better when you're not sure if and how many and which oce buff...
I just let the sims decide
I wanted to use aug but doesn’t sim well in arms
For the gear I have anyway
fresh pond
On the topic of trinkets, if Pips and Icon sim very close with no buffs. Would you choose Icon just because you might just get someone with an Icon in the group (M+ pugs)?
rugged wave
I just let the sims decide
This is the way
rugged wave
On the topic of trinkets, if Pips and Icon sim very close with no buffs. Would y...
Yes, also pips proc looks goofy
fresh pond
Yea, thought so too, just wanted to make sure my logic isn't stupid
strange perch
if you use puzzlebox before you start a key it dosn't reset does it?
why would you use it before key, youd have like 5 seconds of it after key started
uneven sundial
Yop , in your opinion I equip the 2p/2p or I wait to have the new 4p ?
swift pulsar
not planning on buying it soon but is the sark cloak sim bait or is it actually better than some other bullion items?
rugged wave
It is good when you feel like you have too much hp and would rather have less
hybrid sinew
ah, for the same reason peole use 3min cd's, it resets, 30sec thing, use it as the key is going in, 10 secs of countdown, dpending on the key 5 secs to gather stuff, 15 secs of free trinket
assuming it worked that way
strange perch
ah, for the same reason peole use 3min cd's, it resets, 30sec thing, use it as t...
more like 5 seconds of trinket use, considering even if the trash mobs are 5 seconds away after key starts
hybrid sinew
thast weird, i mean, it depends on the key
you realize that you can start a channel and it will presit througha loading screen, now, idk if that one does it, thats why i was asking
strange perch
thast weird, i mean, it depends on the key
i cant see any key that being useful this season
hybrid sinew
not av, or no certianly
ruby quartz
Got 2 bullions to spare, should I go for Ominous/Icon even though I do also love to play M+ (would love to do 10 on all)? or at that point should I just go Nelth Call to Chaos?
strange perch
omnious is bis for M+
tough steppe
I wouldn't really say that lol
ruby quartz
Ah I was just going by this note on wowhead
strange perch
well, pretty good, just pair with an on use trinket like puzzllebox
ruby quartz
Ominous Chromatic Essence or Whispering Incarnate Icon are best for raiders who expect to fully stack these bonuses within their group, though Neltharion's Call to Chaos is a more reliable option in Mythic+.
flat vine
I wouldn't really say that lol
literally 1 of the 3 bis stat sticks, so pretty easy to say that
ruby quartz
rn I got storm boon and trampling hooves
strange perch
ruby quartz
aight that decides it
weak saffron
Is Dungeon Slice a realiable sim for warriors?
gray steeple
But is it? sims mid and eats crests
It did 7-9% of my damage in raid last night.
strange perch
Axekandi knows all
olive nest
Is Dungeon Slice a realiable sim for warriors?
It’s ok as a reference sure
flat vine
It did 7-9% of my damage in raid last night.
Sims has it right around that 7ish percent for me and is several thousand below the stat sticks and anvil. Tough argument unless you flex fury.
Plus you eat 30 extra aspects
flat vine
Picking it is pure cope unless fury is important to you
sage badge
Is Dungeon Slice a realiable sim for warriors?
Reliable in the sense that it works for arms? Yes. I've done work on it to ensure arms works in dslice. Sims don't have downtime, so some stuff like trinket/buff uptime can be unrealistic.
nova wigeon
354K overall uldaman +10 i fill like i'm doing something wrong (not legi..)
olive nest
Don’t we do 10m execute on like one boss?
rugged wave
354K overall uldaman +10 i fill like i'm doing something wrong (not legi..)
Yeah your rotation is very messed up check out the guides
sacred zodiac
what are you doing on bosses wtf lol
nova wigeon
i'm playing without massacre and playing bloodborne 2/2 linstead
boreal quartz
can u show me any boss
rugged wave
If it's higher than your exe damage then you're not executing enough
nova wigeon
last uldaman boss
rugged wave
i'm playing without massacre and playing bloodborne 2/2 linstead
Also giga chad I too hate the condemn animation
halcyon breach
Your overpower is incredibly high compared to your Execute
nova wigeon
I'm following the 2 exec 2 OP ms
halcyon breach
You don't do 2x OP
You Exe - Exe - Exe - MS
or Exe - Exe - OP - MS
All based on your rage
If above 40 rage, execute, if under 40 rage, OP
But that alone should not make your OP do almost twice the damage of Execute
rugged wave
He did say he's not running massacre
rugged wave
Massacre gives new realism to warrior class, as it bosses can dodge your execute by walking away
nova wigeon
think i'm not doing enought MS on aoe , i will go back to massacre
cursive sun
:)
somber lance
u guys like my normal logs? can i get into a RWF guild with these?
i msged maximum but he hasn't responded
lone imp
354K overall uldaman +10 i fill like i'm doing something wrong (not legi..)
This was an 11NO I did last week fwiw
boreal quartz
show damage
rugged wave
This was an 11NO I did last week fwiw
Do you run uproar
cursive sun
its getting worse
minor gust
its to be expected when u play the brown class
cursive sun
Have you tried as mage?
im literally on mage
olive nest
Do you have like 400 io?
lone imp
Do you run uproar
Yes
white trail
i finally got some oranges in heroic this week, don't ask me about rasz though, demon hunter killed some of us in phase 2 with covid
obsidian wave
Can someone ELI5 the differences between OCE and Icon? (For m+)
From what I gather, Icon is good if you + 1 have it, and OCE is better only if the whole party has it?
olive nest
Yes
boreal quartz
council being 98 is crazy
obsidian wave
I’m having trinket choice paralysis 
worldly kernel
Whats the problem brother
olive nest
Go OCE
Pug heroics going to have all buffs most of the time
If you’re worried about M+ icon or pips
somber lance
council being 98 is crazy
think no one has done normal tbh.
white trail
my group only had bronze and red last night
boreal quartz
think no one has done normal tbh.
likely
obsidian wave
Yeah only for M+, and I usually pug so
obsidian wave
Augury doesn’t beat pips?
olive nest
Icon is great if you reliably have a healer with you all the time that runs it
Augury is honestly mid
To much RNG
It can be large
But can also not be
obsidian wave
So puzzle + pips is going to be the most consistent then
obsidian wave
Cool I appreciate that. I legit have an entire bag full of trinkets 
olive nest
They use trinkets that help them heal situations not a stat stick
somber lance
if oce and icon have no buffs, they should be worse than pips in theory
obsidian wave
And Anvil is just for fun? Not a contender?
rugged wave
if oce and icon have no buffs, they should be worse than pips in theory
In theory yes in practice depends on stats on your gear
If your sims tell you you need more crit over other stats icon will win, if you're giga low on haste for example, oce with haste will fill in that piece
And when balanced pips and nelths will win I guess
olive nest
One thing to note about OCE is even without buffs it will help you shift your stats around
Sometimes that’s also useful
rugged wave
Give back ocean might
olive nest
For me as an example with OCE, brood ring is like a 3k loss because I lose to much haste
But I can swap OCE from vers to haste and now brood ring is actually an increase
I have the larodar ring that gives super haste so it makes sense that the sim would tell me that
somber lance
does anyone know why spiteful storm sims so high yet we don't consider it an option?
olive nest
Suggested items are end game bis gear that gives your spec the highest possible damage number
opaque citrus
does anyone know why spiteful storm sims so high yet we don't consider it an opt...
seemed to have some sort of undocumented changes tbh
opaque citrus
Suggested items are end game bis gear that gives your spec the highest possible ...
in a 5min sim*
olive nest
Other items along the way can outshine that
olive nest
in a 5min sim*
Also true yes
teal fossil
does anyone know why spiteful storm sims so high yet we don't consider it an opt...
its basically the same thing as signet and anvil
but more wonky
white hedge
how do i sim for whats the best stat to go for
opaque citrus
but more wonky
how is it more wonky
white hedge
kinda wish to target farm out the better stated item tho, not possible?
opaque citrus
kinda wish to target farm out the better stated item tho, not possible?
sim droptimizer
olive nest
kinda wish to target farm out the better stated item tho, not possible?
Run a droptimizer sim
olive nest
That would be the most user friendly way to know what to farm
If you want to theorize you can use gear compare
Requires a little more thought but you can find a combo that might give you alot of dps
white hedge
ah alright big thansk
weak rose
I have 54% crit and 32 % haste right now, I think it's too much crit and not enough haste do you agree? even if we go crit > haste
white hedge
oh just to check, so im reading stats on icyveins
says crit falls off after a certain threshold
haste is better in the later part
and the table shows that vers has the highest weight?
oh same position as the guy above, ye just wonder whats the move
weak rose
well it's not vague
sacred zodiac
no but seriously all your questions are answerable by various top gear and droptimizer sims, there is no easy way to say "x stat > y stat"
white hedge
more akin to, i do not really know how to sim stats
i did drop optimizer and ye i see stuff better
sacred zodiac
thats not how modern wow works anymore
white hedge
ah
worldly kernel
Always sim, less effort.
sacred zodiac
oh just to check, so im reading stats on icyveins
says crit falls off after a ce...
for you specifically it literally doesnt matter to know when stats fall off, simc will take care of optimizing that shit for you
sim top gear with the gear you have, add gear to droptimizer if you want to test hypotheticals and if you wanna know your biggest available individual ugprades hit droptimizers
minor gust
god damn robots ruined wow its time to go back to the good ol days of feely craft
sacred zodiac
I have 54% crit and 32 % haste right now, I think it's too much crit and not eno...
and for you im gonna be real with you, no one can use your stats to make a value judgement at all based off of the stats
what could be correct for you will change based on your race even
weak rose
I basicallyt have no choices on my stuff, the changes avaialble are on enchants, gems and Aberrus essence trinket buff
prisma heart
Stat weights were only ever useful when we didn't have the ability to just sim every combination of gear in our bags with every combo of gem, enchants, and consumable. Don't worry about simming for stats ever, it's archaic.
sacred zodiac
then sim those !!! you can choose enchants and stuff and sim the OCE major buff with an advanced string
weak rose
in top gear? weird I don't see the combinations of gems and enchants in the results
somber lance
did you select the gems at the bottom?
weak rose
yes
somber lance
then click replace existing gems and enchants too
hallow turtle
Did you select replace if better?
weak rose
opal folio
There’s a checkbox right above all that
somber lance
select metas too or else it wont replae it
opal folio
Tick it
weak rose
ok indeed I didn't do that
void shell
Is there a preferred Ominous chromatic essence buff or is it a case of simming yourself
hallow turtle
Don’t ever dim the pure stat gems. You are losing stats compared to a combo gem
88 stats v 103 total stats
somber lance
Is there a preferred Ominous chromatic essence buff or is it a case of simming y...
you sim it
changes all the time
void shell
you sim it
Yeah this is what I feared, will end up having to re gem and enchant probably
opal folio
I forgot solo stat gems even existed
weak rose
Don’t ever dim the pure stat gems. You are losing stats compared to a combo gem
yeah yeah that's what he simmed
opal folio
Assumed you were referring to the meta ones
sacred zodiac
if you've bought both vault rings you will probably be haste hungry as fuck
sacred zodiac
give me a sec ill give you the OCE sim string
here click the small message above this one and follow what banezi says
i intentionally pinged you little man
somber lance
can you guys actually pin the string
sacred zodiac
no it must be hidden away and be inacessible
limber bear
arms doesn't have anything to deal with this week's affix right?
no dispel or cleanse or heal?
weak rose
nop
hallow turtle
Nothing
limber bear
man i love tanking all these keys 😄
plz help, prot tanking makes my hand hurt
native merlin
So according to my sims, this build is really strong, but the puzzle box looks really more interesting to me.
I'm a bit lost on what to buy with my bullions 😢
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cN7wco9tSyHndxFS5qVJgG
And i don't want to play boon or Sarkareth cloak
Can i have some help ?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8pfbSCnK6XfXGVNYyBcoJi
weak rose
someone said once shattering throw worked but it's bullshit ^^
opaque citrus
someone said once shattering throw worked but it's bullshit ^^
on the other one i think
weak rose
the one from last week?
quasi torrent
can you guys actually pin the string
. make a text doc right meow
opaque citrus
yea
weak rose
well but I tried it does nothing
he said you could hit the mob after but it didn't work when I tried
weak rose
the one to remove invincibility
sacred zodiac
i mean it works idk what to tell you
junior scarab
I am really unlucky with leggo and my sims recommend me getting ash, cataclysmic signet second and cloak next, which one would you go for if you were unlucky with leggo
gray steeple
Weapon of course.
junior scarab
Is cloack any good in m+?
gray steeple
No stamina
weak rose
it's dangerous
sacred zodiac
it procs super slowly in m+ and its -70k stamina
fine for weekly keys but wouldnt push with it
weak rose
you can take Eranog's ring
junior scarab
you can take Eranog's ring
got both rings already
super lucky vault today
which tinkets are you using on m+? sims recommend boon but I absolutely hate it
weak rose
then I don't know maybe icon
junior scarab
got essence already
sacred zodiac
pbox essence is fine
drifting heart
Anvil is such a scam for arms it sims so high and yet is so bad after you check how much dmg it really does on logs
sacred zodiac
its about as good as it sims
jolly spoke
Hey guys quick question what do I want for my 3rd bullion item? I have askhandur (not lego yet) and OCE, I have really bad trinkets that I would like to change but I dont know what ar e good trinkets from raid to get
sacred zodiac
if you use a trinket that takes 5 minutes to ramp in a 3 minute fight thats on you
left talon
its great for end bosses, bad for fast kills
its good in m+ like AV where u can keep in combat the whole m+, if u refresh it on time during flight to last boss
sacred zodiac
Hey guys quick question what do I want for my 3rd bullion item? I have askhandur...
probs buy eranog ring go consult the discussion in #updates-midnight or the pins
left talon
worse in NO and other downtime m+
drifting heart
if you use a trinket that takes 5 minutes to ramp in a 3 minute fight thats on y...
Nah mate I compared it with my ret pal on logs and it legit does less than half of his anvil dmg on every fight
sacred zodiac
if you have OCE just go farm a pbox and you're set
drifting heart
Trinket is just bad for arms
sacred zodiac
the trinket is as good as it sims for arms
weak rose
it doesn't sim that high
jolly spoke
probs buy eranog ring go consult the discussion in <#1234949058121171069> or the...
I dont even have head ench yet so nothing will proc it 😄 but probably worth in a long run
marsh axle
I play anvil cuz I like the sounds it makes 🙂
sacred zodiac
I dont even have head ench yet so nothing will proc it 😄 but probably worth in ...
ashkandur procs it !!!
drifting heart
it doesn't sim that high
It doessims higher than my puzzlebox on a 5min fight and yet it's not as strong tbh brother
sacred zodiac
but yeah its procrate would be garbage w/o at least helmet and maybe a shadowflame patch
jolly spoke
then it is set and done ty
sacred zodiac
It doessims higher than my puzzlebox on a 5min fight and yet it's not as strong ...
it is as strong stop coping
jolly spoke
like I ll run full HC probably this week since it is not awakened should be free
sacred zodiac
may i see the logs you spoke of?
drifting heart
Got 2 links
Putting aside Smolderon cause it's about luck during intermission
You can compare anvil dmg on the ret pal VS my anvil dmg on Nymue on that link
https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QyG17N2pqDzRwWna#fight=7&type=damage-done
And here you can compare his anvil dmg on Terros tonight on the ret pal VS my Anvil on that link (note that he used it one more time because the boss died 6seconds later which make his 5th press pretty much irrelevant)
https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xGRH13bmzyvfC6g2#fight=19&type=damage-done
But the dmg diff is worlds apart and the RNG is absolute madness
sacred zodiac
not the frappe mortelle oh no
drifting heart
Put aside the language, am I doing something bad here
Or is it trully the trinket that is absolute dogsht ?
sacred zodiac
i mean its one of the best ST trinkets in the game
drifting heart
Do you see how MUCH MORE dmg he does with his anvil?
Cause to me it's a clear scam
sacred zodiac
do you know what variance is
drifting heart
There's no way that puzzlebox is that bad because it doesnt depend on RNG which makes it by default much better.
jade ember
Need some halp. Ran a bunch of sims and still can't decide. I'm flipping between Arms and Fury p hard right now and my current trinket options are Nel's, Puzzle, and Hooves, all myth track, and hero Irideus. Should I buy OCE or Augury next?
high lichen
Hello, i main prot this season, but casually play arms. i have leggo, but no bullion available to upgrade it. is a 519 wep worth the 496 leggo ?
drifting heart
you turbo lowrolled he kind of highrolled
how is it that he highroleld everytime and i lowrolled everytime then?
sacred zodiac
you showed us a sample size of 2
i also think wings interacts with cantrip and trinket effects i dont know too much about paladins
jade ember
Oh I didn't mention Signet Brand because I'm mostly an M+ player.
drifting heart
well u can check any of them his anvil just simply does 50% more dmg than mine on everyfight it's kinda insane
sacred zodiac
can you link a 5 min sim w/anvil
drifting heart
Checking
sacred zodiac
comparing two diff classes w/ trinket effects is a bit silly
drifting heart
He was playing prot on the other one so can't compare
But still can see the anvil dmg
high lichen
versa lvl ?
halcyon breach
are u in all bosses tomorrow little man
All but Dathea
lilac reef
Stat caps for Arms PVE?
halcyon breach
None, sim your char in top gear
sacred zodiac
Stat caps for Arms PVE?
none that you should care about, sim your character robot will take of that for you
uncut shard
Stat caps for Arms PVE?
None, sim your char in top gear
drifting heart
sacred zodiac
lilac reef
Doesn't that just show you what the best gear you have is?
drifting heart
5min+ fights here
sacred zodiac
your anvil has done quite literally the exact same damage this top 100 guys has done
uncut shard
What
teal fossil
frappe mortelle
halcyon breach
Doesn't that just show you what the best gear you have is?
Correct
You just follow that
rancid willow
If I'm crafting the necklace, which addons do I want to put in it?
gray steeple
weakauras
rancid willow
I mean Optional Reagents
lilac reef
Correct
Fair enough. Will that also tell me best gems/enchants? Guides say Haste/Crit, but I seen a lot of top warriors using mastery/vers as well
halcyon breach
Fair enough. Will that also tell me best gems/enchants? Guides say Haste/Crit, b...
It will if you select them, and ask it to replace your gems/enchants
sacred zodiac
https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GP2KfcVJLFAw97TB#fight=71&type=damage-done&s...
like i can go around and cherrypick logs aswell fact is that anvil is a very strong st trinket with some variance, also comparing your trinket damage to other classes trinket damage is a bit silly cause of how classes interact with their trinkets and cantrips
halcyon breach
And don't follow what other people use, since their gear is different, and want different enchants/gems than you do
sacred zodiac
And don't follow what other people use, since their gear is different, and want ...
i copied every decision banezi made
halcyon breach
I copied every decision spongie made
sacred zodiac
this is a problem
teal fossil
its so messed up that raven is never on during my time now
uncut shard
I copied every decision Anda made
uncut shard
Who
cloud lagoon
I put my decisions on a spinning wheel.
languid yoke
Hi! I'm new to warrior and i have a simple question i think. If i didnt have legendary main hand, but have head fire enchant, than i still play a double ring from voti? I jsut need to craft 2 items with shadowflame?
drifting heart
like i can go around and cherrypick logs aswell fact is that anvil is a very str...
Sure I get it. Comparing anvil on a ret pal against an arms warrior might be silly. However I'm pretty sure puzzlebox has more value that the amount of dmg it's dealing for arms. Something is wrong here
Especially on short fights which makes sense cause the anvil doesn't have time to stack up but even on last bosses which are longer fights ofc i'm not even sure due to the amount of dmg it's doing that the anvil is really competing with that and the RNG doesn't makes it any better.
I could be wrong and I wish I am but I'm pretty sure I'm smashing those bosses much harder with puzzlebox than anvil and somehow raidbot is telling me that i'm delusional
sacred zodiac
i mean if you feel like puzzle box is better than anvil then use it, but simc is ripping the items straight from the game and simulating them millions of times to come to the conclusion that anvil is usually really good at 5+ minute fights
obsidian wave
When in doubt, reroll to DH 🤡
drifting heart
Brother i just sent you 3 differents links of those 4 to 6min fights did you see how bad those dmg are?
latent moss
iirc anvil
is still "bugged"
they proc it a lot more
and since they are rets
giga high vers
giga high crit (wings)
it does more dam
sacred zodiac
Brother i just sent you 3 differents links of those 4 to 6min fights did you see...
i also sent you a cherrypicked log that said that you did the same anvil damage as some other warrior (his fight was 10s shorter)