arms

[hallow turtle]

Oh it up to 30%, I thought it only stacked to 10%

[eternal vortex]

does any1 know u have to be a same grp for icon to work in raids or it doesnt matter?

[strange perch]

is it diurna first then the other ring?

[flat vine]

shield ring is banger in m+, debating that over trinks

[latent moss]

they can death coil it

:chatting:

[rapid bronze]

_>

[strange perch]

shield ring over fire damage ring?

i always thought diurna was better

[flat vine]

for dps, sure. one is free dmg the other is free healing......get both

[strange perch]

i only have enough for one of them since im getting ashkandur today as well

[flat vine]

if you don't have leggo, fire ring is not as good

[strange perch]

i dont have lego

[gaunt owl]

thats why you should sim

[strange perch]

but i do have 1 x sf

[flat vine]

you need to sim then cuz not having leggo is going to make a massive diff in what you spend on.

[strange perch]

i know, im not home now to do that. so im just thinking out loud

[flat vine]

ultimately it probably doesn't matter that much since not having leggo puts ppl so far behind the curve it's cringe. they really should have made it purchaseable

[astral yarrow]

That would rob people of the epic experience it is working towards and receiving the weapon through killing fyrakk 15 times in a row to collecting things in the open world with an entire server full of people!

[strange perch]

yeah, the lego is just a meme wep since integrated into the class balance, would be nice to have but not gonna break my back for it

[flat vine]

you've just triggered my ptsd, i need to go hyperventilate into a bag now

[glacial shale]

Meme wep?

[strange perch]

it got nerfed out of fun into balance now its a meme wep
par for the course

[flat vine]

at that point, worrying about the relatively minor differences between buillon buys is kind of meh. buy whatever it the biggest upgrade or w/e is fun to use for you. grieftorch is a really solid option, so is the shield ring

in fact grieftorch is probably the play if you can cheese it to compete with leggo havers

[strange perch]

i get it, but to add to my point - it should be farther ahead than what it is. me not having it shouldnt cripple my dps to bottom of the pack

[flat vine]

it's something like a 18k dps upgrade over ahkander.....

[strange perch]

yeah its horrid

[agile frost]

Since I got Chromatic Essence from Normal Raid, I should grab Signet Brand with bullion now, yeah? Storm-Eater sims higher in MT and Branch sims as the best of both worlds, but I am guessing that their use effects kind of make them not worth it?

[glacial shale]

Storm-eater is too risky, you stay stuck for a long period of time

[timber lynx]

Do you raid heroic weekly?

[glacial shale]

If anything moves out of your range you are also done

[agile frost]

Yeah, hopefully guild starts picking at Mythic once we reclear Heroic raids

[timber lynx]

then yeah

100% signet

[flat vine]

lol i just simmed myself, not having leggo is a 27k dps loss.

[timber lynx]

Especially if your going into mythic

[flat vine]

probably wrong, most mythic fights arent even lasting 5min

[timber lynx]

still good

in pure st

you could go anvil then

[agile frost]

Will Signet be worth taking into M+ or should I stick with Grief Torch until I get something else?

[flat vine]

depends on your guild, but it's substantially less good than sims say. need to adjust the sim for your guilds average kill time.......should have that info by now if you're doing mythic

[wary raft]

anvil has the same issue as brand lol

[timber lynx]

not really unless u are chain pulling the whole dungeon

[glacial shale]

I'm trying to understand why wowhead is telling me to spend my bullions on whispering incarnate and/or chromatic essence. Both are below 5th place in both ST and cleave/m+ sims

[wary raft]

not really, it is only good if you are chain pulling the whole dungeon and not losing your stacks

[copper swan]

double stat stick

[glacial shale]

this week its specially good, because of shades you stay in combat longer

[candid robin]

what is our mastery softcap?

[strange perch]

yeah so were tuned around it, not having it puts us at bottom of the pack

[flat vine]

listen to your sims, wowhead is a general guide.....not the wowbible

[wary raft]

good thing its already over for na and only today for eu

[agile frost]

interesting, once I got my Raid set all sorted out, what trinket should I look to pair with Chromatic Essence in M+?

[glacial shale]

oh yeah nvm lol

[candid robin]

anyone know or know where to look?

[wary raft]

iirc consensus is puzzle box

[glacial shale]

yeah, i always do that, i was just trying to understand wowhead's logic. On my sims i'm also considering full value on both trinkets

[flat vine]

Basically, which is why i said you're probably better off not fretting over a ring that isnt going to make any noticeable difference in that gap. grieftorch actually might if you can cheese it

[wary raft]

you stop getting mastery when sims tell u to

[candid robin]

i need to know for pvp sims dont rly work for me

ill ask in the channel also

[agile frost]

got it, so don't worry about using Bullion for M+ trinket until its time to upgrade Chromatic and pray for a good Puzzle Box in the vault

[teal fossil]

#pvp

[agile frost]

you guys are champs today, Banana Stickers for everyone

[gray steeple]

Hoping it doesn't backfire but I went with Augury since I pug a lot of keys. The higher level version also outsimmed all but Box on sub-5 minute ST fights. And I have HC Signet. At the worst, I'll go Fury for keys with it.

[zealous basin]

If i want to take Anvil tomorrow as first trinket, is it trolling?

[raven nymph]

Why do you want anvil?

Just curious

[teal fossil]

anvil is not the play

[lone imp]

Weird augury is that good for you, this is a 4min st sim

That's no oce buffs or wii buffs

[tough tangle]

now I'm curious and ran a 4m with no buffs as well

[zealous basin]

I love that trinket, also i play prot

So it's the best of both maybe

[gray steeple]

At 5 minutes, a 532 Augury and 415 Signet simmed best for me in ST. At 4 minutes, a 422 Box and 428 Augury simmed best. I didn't have time to sim more with higher Signet. For Fury MT, Augury and Box were easy winners.

[gaunt ginkgo]

Well, I suppose it's my time to go back to SL

[timber lynx]

Dont do it to yourself…

Pain

I got one for free thought id use it

Got rid of it so fast

[gaunt ginkgo]

Oh I know, I've gotten it before on another toon in S1. It's... an experience, that's for sure

[timber lynx]

I had one on rogue in s1 as well and didnt realize how good they have it being able to shadowstep during it

[calm elm]

So many moments where you think it's good but know you can't... Or just yolo send it and somehow come out alive.

I think the most infuriating part about that trinket is when the tank moves the boss like 3 feet away

[timber lynx]

Dude LMAOO

[calm elm]

Or mobs, whatever

[timber lynx]

yes.

Its infuriating

[west tusk]

if my sim is telling me that 528 anvil and Brand are bis is that bait or should I run those trinkets and ignore Icon/OCE for my bullion this week

[gray steeple]

Depends on your sim parameters. "BIS" is a myth, especially this season

[calm elm]

That sounds about right if you aren't getting Icon / OCE buffs

[teal fossil]

its also pretty good if you are pure STing

for a while

[gaunt ginkgo]

Had it on my rat ret alt in S1, and used it the random times I would play in S2

Invuln made it nice, but still

[west tusk]

I see I got anvil from raid and deciding what to spend bullion on this week I already have eranog ring and sark cloak and anvil but not sure to purchase OCE/ICON or buy a brand which the sim is telling me to do

[calm elm]

Brand is best but the fight has to be long and it's near worthless in M+. OCE and Icon both need other people assisting you

[knotty creek]

Is it worth spending bullions on OCE if I already have it on hero track or should I just spend it on back or signet instead

[timber lynx]

definitely just get something else

Hero track will keep you chillin for a while

[knotty creek]

thats what I was thinking

[fossil thistle]

The difference in item level would be so drastically minute you’d probably benefit more from a different upgrade

[fading isle]

hello guys

is this sim ok?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mfv9EeVVVsEHoacfTXx1Ab

I wasted my wrist of companionship sadly

[gray steeple]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6oy8yZGZ9JbVCxa3Q5P8Qe

[silk cloud]

Hey lads! Quick quesh:

If I have a bullion to spend, and I dont intend to raid/care about maxing raid performance, AND I dont have leggo (and are likely still a couple of lockouts away from getting it), what do I spend Bullion on? OCE/Icon seems piss due to requiring ally buffs, and the other items from the wowhead article are ST-items. Do I just send a Class Trinket?

[gray steeple]

pins

[silk cloud]

Oh, sorry! TY!

[fading isle]

Pog, ty

[gray steeple]

Question for long-time Armed folk. is there any reason why IP is better than FbV? See it used more often.

[dire hinge]

it's proactive vs reactive

IP can let you live through a hit, and FbV only comes into play after you've already taken the hit

if the hit kills you, FbV doesn't do anything

[lone imp]

fbv good in rot situations

[dire hinge]

then there's some current play this season around trying to help keep your health above 90% to keep uptime on Blue Silken Lining (crafted embelishment), and giving yourself a shield atop your HP can get you better uptime

[rare kite]

IP stops one shots, which is the biggest issue in the highest keys

[gray steeple]

ty

[silk cloud]

Can you no longer PuzzyB +Bladestorm?

I could've sworn you could macro those two together back in S1

[wary raft]

it was bladestorm activated by avatar+pb, but we dont run double bladestorm anymore

[silk cloud]

Oooooh true!

just pre-pot PuzzyB on my way into the pull then I guess?

[wary raft]

pot after box but yeah

not much point in wasting dam pot duration solving a rubix cube

[silk cloud]

Nah I mean, use PuzzyB before pulling

[wary raft]

I do it as things are about to get together yeah

[silk cloud]

Sounds good 😄

Haven't played Arms since S1, so the rust is showing

good thing the rotation is basically the same

[glacial shale]

Hey, what trinkets are you guys getting besides puzzlebox? For me pocket anvil sims WAY BETTER than both whispering incarnate and chromatic essence (both with all ally buffs) on both ST and MT sims

[glacial shale]

Yeah, it's the same set bonus as S1

[fossil thistle]

BSL and dumping rage into IP is goat.
Can be the difference between 40% and 60% uptime

[flat vine]

Anvil is good, but actual fight lengths are going to devalue it vs your standard sim. I wouldn't pug with it in M+ either.

[fossil thistle]

If you’re not running BSL and only do normal/heroic, Fbv is fine as it’s just passive healing for rot damage, as others have said

[silk cloud]

Wait, are we still rage dumping into IP? I thought I heard someone say that was dead

[dire hinge]

it's not a rotational button, it's solely used as an active defensive

[silk cloud]

Okay, good shit

[fossil thistle]

For ToM it is.
Ignore pain absorbs damage, allowing you to maintain 90%+ more often for higher uptime on BSL

[silk cloud]

Got worried for a sec here

[silk cloud]

Good thing I dont plan on raiding on this toon 😛

[fossil thistle]

Its 10x better in M+ then it is raiding

[glacial shale]

Since Patch 10.2, Ignore Pain no longer contributes to Tactician, Test of Might, or Anger Management

[silk cloud]

^ Thats what I heard too

[fossil thistle]

Yes. I’m not saying to use ignore pain for CD reduction.
Use it to absorb damage and maintain BSL buff

[void kestrel]

ok i have both leggo upgrade already and eranog ring, trying to decide on a trinket thats decent for both arms and fury since i play both, have only done the first 3 bosses on mythic and prob wont do more than that, whats a good solid trink to use for both specs for raid and m+? im leaning towards augury since its so damn rare

[glacial shale]

Ok

[glacial shale]

I've been wondering the same thing all day

[void kestrel]

btw just got sark cloak in vault 🙂

heroic version but thats good enough

well 528 max i should say

[glacial shale]

My ST sim gives these numbers for the bullions purchases

My MT sims give me these

[fossil thistle]

Well it looks like cloak is the most consistent, there ya go 😎

[hardy phoenix]

can you share how you simmed those?

[calm elm]

That one is Dropimizer / Vendor I think

[glacial shale]

Yeah, Droptimizer Season 4 Raid Vendors

[hardy phoenix]

Found it, thanks!

Mine is like this for ST

already have eranog ring

Any way I look at it Signet is the best option.

[gray steeple]

On fights 4-5+ minutes.

Otherwise Signet loses a lot. Same for keys that aren't Spiteful or chain pulled

[hardy phoenix]

Yeah. I'm simming 5min fights because that's our current group prog average right now.

[gray steeple]

Just keep in mind that that time will drop

[hardy phoenix]

Not if my group continue to be bad at raiding

xD

at 3 minute fights the cloak is better.

[glacial shale]

Make sure you are selecting the right dragonflight for chromatic essence

[hardy phoenix]

best case scenario (all buffs), 3 min fight.

still, loses a lot of value in m+, but then again so does signet, in tyrannical weeks.

[boreal quartz]

Cap

[glacial shale]

That's for patchwerk 3min?

[boreal quartz]

Signet stinks for all keys

[hardy phoenix]

Yes

[glacial shale]

What are your current trinkets?

[hardy phoenix]

Incarnate 502 - Puzzle 522

[glacial shale]

Which dragonflight are you using? Emerald?

[hardy phoenix]

No, haste.
Crit sims like this:

[fathom shoal]

Is ruby whelp that bad if all points into haste?? No one sims it?

[boreal quartz]

It takes a week to do that

Plus not great when done

[dire hinge]

Emerald or Bronze, but sims can help answer this. You can add the following to the bottom of an "advanced sim"

dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=bronze
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/emerald/obsidian/ruby

copy=Emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/obsidian/ruby

copy=Obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/ruby

copy=Azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=bronze/emerald/obsidian/ruby

copy=Ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/obsidian```

[gray steeple]

It's solid but passed by others that usually do direct damage

[fathom shoal]

Cool thx

[vivid flume]

hey guys, anyone know why versa sims so good for me? Sims basically want me to take the high vers rings and neck. but i already got 3.5k. Somehow going after sims Ill end up on about 6k. wich is weird because im also already kinda low on haste and crit compared to others

[gray steeple]

You have high vers so the sims determine more vers is better for you then adding low haste/crit. Plus the leggy likes vers. As your gear improves, that vers number should level off.

[rancid lantern]

Someone get Max to make a Video on Warrior Class tree so we get a cool rework

[gray steeple]

next xpac not for silly season

[vivid flume]

Ah so basically i have low gear so vers is basically better just like dmg proccs are better on low geared chars? I also do use anvil and Raszageth trinket so I have basically 3 items that benefit from vers + the firedmg ring it wants me to take. Do i get that right?

[rancid lantern]

what

[dire hinge]

for context, i have almost 4k vers and will probably want even more

[gray steeple]

It would be the same if you had high crit and lower stats otherwise. Sims don't want equal stats, they want to maximize the dps of what you have

[rancid lantern]

I want it for next xpac lol all i hear from big warrior brains is its underwhelming

[gray steeple]

No one will spend time redoing silly season. Next xpac already has a big workup

#1230008337517514772

[rancid lantern]

finneee

wait hold up there are changes today

[limber bear]

so i managed to pull a heroic OCE out of vault today, what stat do we normally put on it?

[dire hinge]

#arms message

[limber bear]

good to know, ty

[candid kindle]

❤️

[somber lance]

show no mercy

yikes

is it a metalcore band?

[glacial shale]

Damn, the belt sims better than everything else lol

[candid kindle]

id take icon still

is it hero track?

or m track

[glacial shale]

dungeons is M, raid is H

[candid kindle]

isnt icon rare? i think its m track

check

[candid kindle]

so it goes to 522

all things considered id still go for icon

[eternal vortex]

Its rare but not higher ilvl like broodkeeper ring

[candid kindle]

did u simed icon with all?

like all buffs

[glacial shale]

Yeah, belt still simmed better for me

[candid kindle]

hm better

can u send the pic of the values?

[glacial shale]

Yeah, let me run it again

[candid kindle]

also did u upgraded the things in the sim?

[glacial shale]

Yup

[lone imp]

Why is my sim lower when I do this? Cause it doesn't give me raid buffs or something?

[dire hinge]

got a link?

[lone imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hFWrJhstiUnHfugxHtfxa1

but my normal sim... sec

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bFMvz5W36c6GhVgqHwd5BV

[violet steeple]

Irid frag outsimming puzzle for me now in AOE, so odd

[lone imp]

That's a W tbh

[dire hinge]

hmmm that's interesting, lemme see what i can find

[violet steeple]

Yeah just weird, didn't see it coming

[lone imp]

[glacial shale]

My bad, I changed to only dps and forgot to change it back. With all the buffs whispering is indeed better than the belt

[wicked aurora]

only if you drop combat

||which is like at least half of these keys ||

[candid kindle]

yeah figures

i was surprised a belt is better than icon

[dire hinge]

so in the result that is just your name it appears it sims you as Black Dragonflight with zero other buffs (ie: no other party members with any other buffs)

[worldly kernel]

Signet pretty juice also if you have a tank that doesn’t take a smoke break between pulls

[dire hinge]

unsure why it's lower than the quicksim, trying to find that next

[candid kindle]

u ppl have hrothmar working overtime here lmao

[glacial shale]

lol

[worldly kernel]

He usually ends up answering a lot of questions

[lone imp]

Yeah I was just ignoring that bottom one as I assumed it was a no buffs deal for some reason

[lone imp]

With great power comes great responsibility

[candid kindle]

truers

[glacial shale]

What are you guys spending your third pair of bullions on?

[candid kindle]

i got signet

since i got oce in vault

[worldly kernel]

Im thinking about either getting a icon or sig, I don’t have anything else really to buy

[candid kindle]

next week im getting sark cape prob

[worldly kernel]

Actually I tank periodically but there’s also some cool xmog from the single token vendor I could buy. Like the Lfr Smold sword

[eternal vortex]

Im thinking ashkandur or augury since leggo didnt drop and i play both arms and fury

[olive nest]

I’m debating between brood ring and OCE

Clearing all content before spending bullion

Unless vault has one of them

Then I’ll buy the other

[dire hinge]

interesting, it seems like it doesn't cast puzzlebox for some reason 🤔

[eternal vortex]

I have puzzlebox and myth icon

[worldly kernel]

Im assuming you’re eu yeah

The ring is pretty huge

[eternal vortex]

Also both erranog and broodkeepers ring

[lone imp]

Oh that is weird. The arrow is within 400dps of puzzy b so I can just run it back with that instead

[potent portal]

Who are we attuning to with OCE?

[olive nest]

Sim that

Haste was highest for me

[dire hinge]

yeah it's like, not even listed as an simple action stats apl thing there. The left is the advanced sim, right is quicksim

well, it is listed in the APL, it just wasn't cast*

[potent portal]

didnt even realize i COULD sim that thank you!

[olive nest]

Indeed! It’s at the bottom of the page

[deft seal]

With 2x BSL, broodkeeper ring should be big for upptime, right? 🤔

[lone imp]

Even robot tired of using box

[olive nest]

It will increase uptime

Can’t say exactly how much but it will

[glacial shale]

What food/flask/rune are you guys running for raid and m+?

[olive nest]

Eggs/corrupting rage/howling

[swift crown]

@barren hill big fan how do you do so much damage

[halcyon breach]

Feisty Fish Sticks + Corrupting + Howling

Double stat food > primary

[swift crown]

@halcyon breach also big fan

[barren hill]

🤥

[halcyon breach]

@swift crown biggest fan

[worldly kernel]

Corrupting on huge keys double dot

[glacial shale]

Yeah, raidbots sims crit+haste food as default instead of primary

[halcyon breach]

Ya, because you get more secondaries than you get primary, on top of strength not being the highest value stat for warriors

[strange perch]

lol +5 dps for food

[olive nest]

Interesting been sleeping on that

[halcyon breach]

It honestly doesn't matter much

If you're lazy, just eat primary/feasts

[strange perch]

i just get the deviled eggs fuckit

[candid kindle]

i hate how is the scaling of main stat not fixed or intended this way, its so ass

[glacial shale]

it's fun to optimize, even if it is by just a little

What do you guys think is the best two trinket combination for m+?

[worldly kernel]

The flasks are the biggest one but hk early food is a drop in the bucket

PB pretty huge pre big pull

[halcyon breach]

Puzzle Box + Stat stick

Like Icon/OCE or Pips

Depends on your group, Pips if you just perma pug and want consistency

Class trinket also option, but would not use it in push content

[bold jolt]

On primal council, you would mortal strike with sweeping, cleave when no sweeping?

[worldly kernel]

Call was also high in there but yeah I think stat stick is better than call for keys

[olive nest]

Without sweep, cleave will do more if you’re hitting all 4

[small tulip]

Is the fire ring worth getting even if i dont have Fyrakk legendary?

And is it worth for me, i have 6 kills on fyrakk, to wait until legendary drop or should i just buy ashkandur? like is the differance big or small?

[strong tendon]

sim it. (hint, it's big. probably like 30k dps)

[small tulip]

fudge

how many weeks until war within does any1 know?

[opaque citrus]

me trying to figure out how my shikaari arrowhead is still simming better than any other trinket i've gotten all season

[turbid rampart]

August?

[opaque citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[small tulip]

ok thank you

[timber solar]

2 active trinkets came out simming higher. any idea how to use ?

[turbid rampart]

That's not like an official date or anything it's just when remix ends there isn't an offical date besides "fall"

[misty iron]

Use stat buffs with CDs, direct damage on use after CDs

[potent portal]

trying to gather about oce vs icon from my guild
I get told its a joke season

I really regret picking OCE now

[void shell]

Does arms follow the ST rotation but just using SS when theres two targets. Or do you only MS after getting overpower stacks

[hazy flower]

the former

[misty iron]

Also, when you sim trinkets, raidbots also sims trinket use order, trinket 1->trinket 2

[strange perch]

double on use is aids

[lilac fossil]

are we getting another 3 bullion this week as well?

[strange perch]

why would we

[lilac fossil]

idk we did this week 😄

[strange perch]

we are not

[lilac fossil]

😢

[strange perch]

honestly, it was probably something they forgot about and just let it slide lol

[lilac fossil]

🤣

[balmy agate]

OKAY. So, I got 1st bullion leggo (duh), second - eranog ring. I have a heroic OCE, but i see everyone using puzzlebox, even tho it "sims" lower than everything. Sims say get signet brand, but sark cloak is an option.... help?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1d3xd1txCQwT8ppMF5JsGZ

[halcyon breach]

Brand is purely for raid and on end of raid fights that last long enough

It's not a general use trinket

Sark cloak is typically also just seen as a last purchase

[balmy agate]

fair. so, whats the move?

Augury? Spiteful? lol

[halcyon breach]

Personally I'd buy Broodkeeper ring considering your trinkets, then farm Puzzle Box and use it together with OCE

[balmy agate]

The anvil can go up to 515, which is decent as well.

[halcyon breach]

Yeah, but I'd not use Anvil in any scenario that you wouldn't use Brand in

They both suffer from the same issue of wanting longer fights

[balmy agate]

ya, it's just what i have so far

[outer holly]

I'm going for the second ring for sure, trinkets are just too spread across the 3 specs to make a decision right now

[strange perch]

critcake runs puzzlebox, so it must be OP

[slow saddle]

Ring is good for prog//reprog

[flat vine]

That shield is just too yummy in pushing m+

[wild heart]

anyone got the OCE quick sim string for simming the different stats?

[dreamy egret]

.....

[wicked aurora]

arms owns

[limber bear]

so....assuming i ran this right, obsidian or ruby would be best?

[wicked aurora]

not too shabby for only an 8 RLP

[limber bear]

(assuming i have the other 4 buffs)

[wild heart]

can you send me the string for the simming different flights

[limber bear]

scroll up

it's pinned in here somewhere

[turbid rampart]

So if I've only had one heroic fyraak kill so far would the answer just be to spend bullion on Ashkandur?

[limber bear]

how do i sim it for solo content/no other OCEs?

[limber bear]

yes

unless you are irish

[turbid rampart]

I do not have a golden horseshoe stuck up my ass sadly.

[opaque citrus]

send help

[wild heart]

ruby would sim best for me

[limber bear]

but i ran the sim correctly? i did as i was told and stuck the extra text at the bottom of my sim input so i ASSUME i did it right?

[limber bear]

you need god at this point

[opaque citrus]

this feels so cooked

[limber bear]

ok so, i bought the upgrade for my axe and the diurna's chosen ring

i got STUPID lucky and got both a hero track oce and hero track signet brand from vault (signet last week, oce this week)

what should i buy with my bullion this week?? sark cloak? I don't want to buy fillial duty yet b/c i have a flavor pocket on my titanic insight ring

[copper summit]

i wouldnt even waste bullion on the shield ring unless ur doing high keys like 13+

unless u keep dying hten nvm

[limber bear]

i feel like sark cloak + shield ring go really well together as the ring would cover the cloak's lack of stamina??

[prime grotto]

the consumable you get from fyrakk doesnt do anything right?

[limber bear]

REGARDLESS i don't 'need' really good trinkets anymore so i'm wondering what else i could buy

[copper summit]

consumable?

[limber bear]

the....greater ember?

[prime grotto]

yeah that thing

i heard it's placebo

[limber bear]

it increases your chance at getting the axe the following week

[prime grotto]

doesnt actually do anything

[copper summit]

wait are u using brand on M+?

[limber bear]

no no please, im not that big of a masochist, i have a champ track puzzle box

[worldly kernel]

Don’t use brand in m+ unless you have 0 Down time In the dungeon

[copper summit]

lol

[limber bear]

other gear

[copper summit]

i think yea the best thing for u is prob sark cloak unless u want to increase items to mythic

[limber bear]

well unless you can peak into the game code to see what the embers are ACTUALLY doing, none of us can say for certain EXACTLY what they do (speaking from a philosophical standpoint)

[fossil thistle]

Honestly it’s all within 0.1%, I think figuring out what other people in your potential group or guild run would be more beneficial

[devout prism]

Is the Voice of the Silent Star cloak actually any good? I'm hearing the proc rate is super low, esp. if my primary content is M+.

Confused why it's put so high on the boullion purchase list.

[limber bear]

as far as we can tell from deduction, the greater and lesser embers increase your odds the following week

[limber bear]

that is also what i am trying to do. I am trying to figure out what my guild group currently has, and then what would be best for me running solo/no other buffs

because that's the really cool thing about this trinket: you can change the stat it gives you 😄

[copper summit]

i never herd about that

[fossil thistle]

We have so many stats right now I find a lot of things are “your into DR anyways”

[devout prism]

the proc trigger resets the stacks everytime combat ends, and it requires allies taking damage consistently to proc up to 10 stacks before you get the buff.

[limber bear]

SO i will grab sark cloak. ty for the insight guys

but i still have a question; how the heck do i sim myself for what OCE stat would be best for me with no other OCE buffs?

[copper summit]

ehhhh hmmm then ya prob bad in m+

[lusty epoch]

So i bought leggo and ring. Thinking OCE next but im not sure what to get

[copper summit]

i picked the lowest of the 3 stats so i went mastery

[limber bear]

i am actually really interested in this

[fossil thistle]

It’s free damage and the highest str cloak you can get (being able to go 535)

[limber bear]

so assuming a purely offensive perspective, yeah regardless of the proc, it gives you the most offense

[cinder crane]

so what trinket is the most viable for fury and the other two specs

[copper summit]

why is ur crit so high?

[limber bear]

proc would just be icing on the cake

[lusty epoch]

< buy sark cloak and catalyst it

[limber bear]

PROBABLY an OCE or similar stat stick?

every class likes stat sticks

[fossil thistle]

Augury can be used by all 3 specs

[frigid lava]

So.. I just started on leggo quest... for the "handling" part.. do i just run around emerald dream hoping to find rare mobs?

[eternal vortex]

Does it work?

[outer holly]

it did in s2

[limber bear]

go do the dream surges

wait for the plant rare to show up by killing mobs

[frigid lava]

dream surges?

[lusty epoch]

Well it turns it into a myth track version of the original tier cloak

[copper summit]

go find some rares and then join WB to server hop around

[fossil thistle]

Superbloom last mob can be linked to.
Every 30m or so when the event pops up to get the blue seed, you can link to that big lasher.

[copper summit]

u can re kill same rares same day still gives u the item

[fossil thistle]

That too

[limber bear]

also the final boss of superbloom

oh wait ekrio said that already

[outer holly]

there's an event that pop up that has you kill mobs to summon a lasher, as long as you don't loot the mobs you can spawn it infinitely until the event ends, happens every 30-45 minutes I think?

[fossil thistle]

[frigid lava]

ah superbloom finalboss is a rare , i see

[outer holly]

Lasher counts as a rare so you can spawn like 3-5 of them per event

[fossil thistle]

^

[copper summit]

while waiting for supperblooms do the other quest and turn them in... i did stupid and did all 3 then turned them all at once

[fossil thistle]

Expect to spend a full day doing the quests

[limber bear]

it took me 8 and a half hours

for the quest

[lusty epoch]

i completed it in around 8 hours

[outer holly]

8 hours sounds about right

[lusty epoch]

yeah

[fossil thistle]

🤓 8 hours is a day

[quasi torrent]

i always looted mobs, still got multiple per event

[fossil thistle]

Gotta factor in chicken nugget runs

[outer holly]

looting mobs pushes the event further to completion, if you loot too many you'll prematurely end the event

[lusty epoch]

Can anyone help with my question about the buillion?

[fossil thistle]

What is

About catalyst the cloak?
Would need someone to check that has it

[lusty epoch]

bought leggo and ring. not sure what to get next. probably a trinket

No the catalyst works. i looted it on my rogue and checked

[fossil thistle]

m+ or raiding?
Your trinkets are alright

[lusty epoch]

m+ mainly

[outer holly]

trinket if you're certain you're sticking with arms, otherwise rings

[fossil thistle]

For M+ definitely replace signet brand

[lusty epoch]

which is why i thinking of getting trinket

yeah

yeah ill never play fury

[copper summit]

atm the amount of crafted stuff we can do is just 2 right?

[fossil thistle]

Neltharions call, OCE, Incarnate are good options

[fossil thistle]

Yes

[copper summit]

ughh

[fossil thistle]

3rd spark next week

[outer holly]

I'm holding off on trinkets, maybe fury gets another pass of tuning and I can swap

[lusty epoch]

Is OCE good to buy? is it not very reliant on others having it?

[copper summit]

i ahve a 496 belt and imma just craft the belt

[fossil thistle]

Neither require others, but they benefit from it. And a lot of people use OCE I’ve been noticing

[outer holly]

oce great, but requires others to use it, good in raid, less effective in m+, same goes for icon to a lesser extent

[calm elm]

OCE is pretty reliant on other people having it, at least for my sims it's kinda low mid with nobody but with 1-2 it gets much better.

fully stacked it's just the best

[copper summit]

still an amazing passive..

[lusty epoch]

I might just force my friends to buy it too

[fossil thistle]

If you don’t want either, Neltharions call is alright too

[copper summit]

a lot of ppl this week are buying trinkets so might be a great oce week or whispering

[fossil thistle]

Or buy your 2nd seal

[lusty epoch]

nah i dont want the other ring just yet

[calm elm]

It depends on how many specs actually want OCE

[outer holly]

I already bought my second ring, feels good son

[calm elm]

IIRC most casters are going Tindral at least

[copper summit]

also i wonder how many ppl are going to keep playing once MOP remix comes out this thursday

[outer holly]

get your pugging in before then that's for sure

[lusty epoch]

Ill be coming on retail to raid mythic thats it

[copper summit]

same

transmog runs as well

[lusty epoch]

maybe on monday to do vault

[outer holly]

I'll burn out on mop quickly enough with daily lockouts

[lusty epoch]

The levelling is accelerated yeah?

[copper summit]

yea

[lusty epoch]

thank god

[copper summit]

but when i did it on PTR it was ehh

[outer holly]

scales with your cloak I think? up to something like 300%

[calm elm]

I will grind out MoP until the Tmog is over. Do not challenge my collection tism.

[copper summit]

yea

[outer holly]

so at first it's not huge

[copper summit]

^

[lusty epoch]

Anyone seen what the warrior sets are going to look like?

[copper summit]

TWW? or MOP?

[lusty epoch]

i dont think ill be playing warrior in MOP

Mop

[calm elm]

You mean the WW set? It's a Mountain Thane looking one

[lusty epoch]

i already got 2 warriors here

on retail at 70

[copper summit]

im going DK tank/frost just to mess around

[lusty epoch]

Thinking maybe mage

[calm elm]

MoP is just the old sets / the Trading post set but red

iirc

It doesn't really matter, you can collect everything on one character

[copper summit]

^

[outer holly]

I'm going in, getting my tusks then walking out

[lusty epoch]

wait so i can collect warrior armor as mage for the tmogs etc?

[copper summit]

whats the diff on the tusk? u can get them on retail

yea

[calm elm]

Yes, the item to use doesn't care what class you are. The Tmog does

[lusty epoch]

thats class

[eternal vortex]

Im thinking dev voker

[outer holly]

1% drop rate on retail and I don't farm legacy content

[copper summit]

what!?

[lusty epoch]

they implementing that into TWW i seen

[copper summit]

i have all of legion raids transmogs and draenor

[outer holly]

oh sorry, apparently it's an actual drop rate of 0.1-0.3%

[copper summit]

ah god damn

[gray steeple]

After many years of fruitless farming, I bought Tusks on the BMAH for like 180k

[lusty epoch]

Anyway goodnight all. Best of luck with vault/Vault drops

[calm elm]

Goddamn man how the hell?

I would have spent that in a heartbeat

[cloud lagoon]

[gray steeple]

They were on the BMAH for like 6 days in a row. First couple sold for like 2 mil each. Then price kept dropping. I finally got 'em on like day 5

[karmic timber]

do we get another crafted piece this week or is it next week ?

[glacial shale]

Next I think

[gray steeple]

Next

[fossil thistle]

I did 10-32 in ~7hrs on PTR (spent a lot of time doing heroic dungeons at a low level. Not the best as you have no abilities lol)

10-70 in 2-3 days likely extremely achievable. Heroic Scenarios I think was the best XP/Hr but you’re missing out on rewards by not completing the campaigns sooo

[white trail]

tfw you convince your healer and havoc dh buddies to pick up OCE with you for m+

[gray steeple]

Tell them NOT to get one

[glacial shale]

Whats the most reliable setting to sim cleave/dungeon dps on raidbots? Is dungeon slice reliable?

[gray steeple]

Any AOE sims can be sus but youc an use DS as Arms. Or the normal top gear for M+ parameters

[strange perch]

whats the bmah tusks

are those the ugly shoulders

[gray steeple]

Black Market Auction House

[strange perch]

ah, bmah is the bm ah

i feel like a dumbass for not putting the 2 together

brain is fried from work

https://tenor.com/view/brain-dead-mindless-nana-na-gif-10224363

[glacial shale]

Wym by the normal top gear?

[strange perch]

the option that says top gear

[gray steeple]

turn off buffs you don't get in a key, 5 targets. 60/90 seconds are the normal.

[glacial shale]

But on top gear you select what kind of fight style you want, or is it another top gear option?

[gray steeple]

Top gear still Just changing targets, time and buffs

[wicked aurora]

damage amp go hard on lego

[glacial shale]

So target dummy or patchwerk with 5 targets? Not sure if it makes a difference

[gray steeple]

patchwerk. Same as your normal top gear. Just change targets, time and buffs.

[glacial shale]

Alright

I usually select dungeon slice on top gear and remove all external buffs

[violet steeple]

I do 2m 1s as I get higher in keys

[strange perch]

just go spank the monkey

i mean smack the dummy

[sharp galleon]

insane vault

[glacial shale]

Damn

[strange perch]

insane, but sucks you can only choose one. depends on how u look at it

[sharp galleon]

yeh
icon has leech too but ima take OCE

[strange perch]

i havent seen anyone take icon

[calm elm]

Problem with Icon is a tank is never going to just have one, and a healer probably won't either. It would have to be something a guild instructs them to do. OCE at least is pretty good for a few DPS specs

[cloud dawn]

i thought icon was good for arms?

[vernal pilot]

On my sims a fully upgraded Call to Chaos falls behind OCE by only 1k assuming all buffs are taken in a M+

[calm elm]

Sure Icon is. But both Icon and OCE require other people to get the actual value out of. Otherwise they are just middle of the pack at best.

[strange perch]

I feel like a lot of people are getting oce though

[calm elm]

And Icon is pretty bad on tanks and healers. They would only pick it up specifically to buff the DPS. And you need a tank and a healer to have one to get the other two types of buff.

[vernal pilot]

Sme thing for OCE in ST. Call to Chaos is like 600dps behind it for me

[calm elm]

OCE at least just requires the 5 colors, which can be done by DPS alone.

[swift portal]

what are 2 best trinkets for M+ for arms

[limber bear]

OCE + puzzlebox iirc

[sinful thorn]

What if i hate puzzlebox ?

[glacial shale]

Idol I guess

[swift portal]

3 sec cast time blows for 3 min cd

[glacial shale]

It's a 30s duration lol

[sinful thorn]

Is blazebinder hoof (or something like that) dead or something ?

[bold granite]

signet brand is such a bait

[glacial shale]

It sims well for me

[finite oar]

Sometimes it feels crazy and others it feels like it does nothing at all.

[glacial shale]

On m+ depends on your group, you need to chain pull constantly and never lose combat for it to be good

[finite oar]

Honestly, I’m thinking about getting anvil instead.

[glacial shale]

Anvil has the exact same problem

[finite oar]

Not really, signet is technically a proc chance and anvil is a button you click.

Anvil is much more consistent on how much it does.

[glacial shale]

If you are not stacking it and keeping the stacks up you lose a lot

[teal fossil]

He’s saying that you can play well and keep anvil up between packs easier

[sinful thorn]

i like Anvil way more than Signet

[teal fossil]

Keeping signet between packs is much harder

[calm elm]

Anvil is like a 15 second grace period but you can kill critters or activate it to boost it. Which is fairly doable in a pug. Signet falls off so fast.

[glacial shale]

If you activate it out of combat it renews the 15s?

That's neat

[teal fossil]

Are there even critters in m+

I thought they just get removed

[finite oar]

Anvil feels better in most cases.

[calm elm]

I don’t know, I have only really done that in World. But the active I have used to keep it rolling. Just don’t use it when everything is almost dead in case you need to go longer.

I also heard of people using toys that spawn stuff to keep it up, but I don’t think those work in M+ either.

[bold granite]

ugh

[chilly mulch]

How does warr proc Seal?

[gray steeple]

I went Augury. it sims well enough at high ilvl. At worst, I go fury for keys wjhich is simming higher ATM anyway

[calm elm]

Axe.

[glacial shale]

Leggo

[latent hull]

Fyralath and helm enchant

[sharp galleon]

legendary helm enchant

[chilly mulch]

I didn’t want to be sad but I am

[latent hull]

And shadowflame patch if u have

[chilly mulch]

Cuz I no leggo

[prisma heart]

Helm enchant and leggo

[latent hull]

Bro u slacking

What have u been doing since s3

[calm elm]

Without the leggo it’s not great. Still better than a regular ring.

[chilly mulch]

I’m rocking some 522 crap from Nokhund don’t judge

[prisma heart]

Yo idk who needs to hear this but if u ur using brand or anvil in keys u can taunt critters 2 keep u in combat

[glacial shale]

It still goes up to 535 so it's good even if the effect is not proccing that much

[sacred zodiac]

eranog ring doesnt go to 535 does it

[glacial shale]

Hax

[latent hull]

Spiteful is a good week for anvil enjoyers i imagine

[glacial shale]

No, only the other one

[calm elm]

Nah the shield ring goes up to 35

[sacred zodiac]

eranog ring is very rare

yeah delete your message coward !!!

[glacial shale]

Very Rare from the last two bossess I guess

lol

[calm elm]

Erenog ring is just a giga vers ring. Which is alright cause you can get your crit / haste from your actual gear.

[glacial shale]

Whispering also doesn't go to 535

I think I have way too much crit already

[calm elm]

It’s around 40, but if the robot commands more crit items I obey.

[glacial shale]

I'm at 43.7% crit chance, 33% haste

[finite oar]

Preach. 🧎‍♂️‍➡️🧎‍♂️‍➡️🧎‍♂️‍➡️

[glacial shale]

The robot is telling me to get mastery

[dreamy egret]

im at 45 44

[glacial shale]

I wonder why

[cloud lagoon]

it took me only 83 declines

to get a m+ group

[dreamy egret]

oh another week where warriors dont get picked for mythic plus due to lack of interaction with affixes lol

[prisma heart]

Is that unbuffed or w. Crit phial lol

[dreamy egret]

unbuffed

[prisma heart]

[dreamy egret]

with crit phial and weapon rune

I need some crit haste pants ...

or probably haste verse pants

i think next crafted will be a neck with well fed

[heady owl]

Wrathstone simming 4.8k dps less than puzzle box at the same ilvl seems pretty wild..

[prisma heart]

W. 50% crit u can rename 2 coinflip..

[gray steeple]

Just did an AA 10 and a 415 Augury did 4.8% of my damage. BS build.

[outer holly]

God I cannot wait for well fed again

[fringe moon]

is storm-eaters boon hasted?

[swift niche]

So, in my raiding group we have 4 people using whispering and 3 using OCE. Do I still buy OCE with my bullions?

[reef birch]

the greatest dillema of all

[gray steeple]

Sim it

[reef birch]

oce or icon

[reef birch]

that looks like an abysmal stat distribution

your haste and crit are DR'd to hell while you arent even close to versa and mastery's first threshold

[humble basin]

ya that mastery is hella low

[arctic iris]

No, but it does typically last less than 10 seconds anyways

Since the root ends when you die

[strange perch]

any reason why shadowed belt clasp is a dps loss for me?

[woven wasp]

that is stamina and has 0 impact on dps

[arctic iris]

What do you mean by it being a dps loss?

Are you doing sims and seeing a DPS loss that is within the margin of error for RNG?

[rare kite]

link the sim? it prob just sims within margin

[strange perch]

oh i didnt even read it, its actually a -56 dps loss for me

[rare kite]

ye that's margin

[arctic iris]

So, the way that sims work is that they simulate the fight over and over and over to account for random stuff like procs and crits

So you will see variance, they aren't perfectly accurate, it's just an average of a lot of iterations

[strange perch]

yeah that makes sense, ive just never seen it lol

[hazy flower]

thats why you will quite often see different gems coming out on top when simming same gear

if that ever made you wonder

[gloomy mirage]

@lone imp

[lone imp]

[dreamy egret]

when I've simmed myself and gems it doesnt say gem anything different.

[potent portal]

im such a noob wtf is bsl?

[rare kite]

blue silken lining

[opaque citrus]

bitch slapping lips

[copper summit]

519 warrior 520 WW ... 504 BM hunter

[fossil thistle]

big

[copper summit]

oce is on mastery atm (27% without OCE) should i throw it on crit instead?

[strange perch]

anyone know how i can get their names to show all the time instead of targetting to see the name

[copper summit]

cntrl+v

oh thats npc's

do u use elvui?

[strange perch]

i dont use elvui, i use the standard blizz ui

[copper summit]

options>search bar: "names" > all NPC's

[strange perch]

ty ❤️

[dusty sorrel]

so if I don't know who all I can stack icon with is it still worth buying it instead of chromatic essence?

[copper summit]

OCE has been a massive dmg increase for me

[dusty sorrel]

I simmed and I lose 2k st target but gain 4k AoE

for icon

vs essence

[opal folio]

Now sim then both together

[copper summit]

idk much about icon to give a opion on really

[opal folio]

If this primarily for m+ and you don’t have a set group then better to go for Call of Chaos

[verbal marten]

what fight

[dusty sorrel]

because I still am using the ember of nullification from last season. I primarily do M+

[copper summit]

m+ do box+OCE,nelth, icon

either way OCE nelth icon is a great dmg buff its not a MASSIVE difference

[dusty sorrel]

alright I guess OCE it is

[copper summit]

depending on how many weeks till TWW we are getting like 6 more

6 more bullions*

[dusty sorrel]

TWW is more than likely in september/oct

[opal folio]

Last I heard it was August, might be outdated info

[copper summit]

then thats like 10+ also might get another +2 bullion quest weekly

[dusty sorrel]

yeah there is one more double buillon quest in june

sorry I stand corrected there are two more

[gloomy mirage]

just erranog lmfao

[verbal marten]

padded on adds?

[gloomy mirage]

not really i ss adds and held my first set of cds

i kinda just dropped them when they came up

[obsidian topaz]

am i the only one having projected texture issuues ?

they are enabled in graphics

[abstract schooner]

Does the lego benefit from the mastery from puzzle box? I dont think so but want to be sure

[fossil thistle]

8. I got a ST trinket now. if I understand it correctly, You can reset the uptime by using it out of combat before it fades?

[glacial shale]

Whispering Incarnate or Chromatic Essence?

[rare kite]

ofc not

doesn't benefit from our mastery either

[glacial shale]

Only thing leggo benefits from is haste, it casts faster. nothing increases the damage

[fossil thistle]

Vers does

[abstract schooner]

that is what I had thought but I was questioning my own intelligence

[halcyon breach]

It's affected by crit, haste and vers

However not recklessness

[glacial shale]

Oh yeah, I meant from buffs and skills

Like colossus smash

Doesn't increase how much damage it does

[fossil thistle]

Correct

[strange perch]

does anyone know the total number of wyrm crests you get from a full heropic run

[fossil thistle]

Druids provide us fyr'alath damage so

[glacial shale]

I think it's 15 crests per boss

[halcyon breach]

It's 10

[strange perch]

10 and the last 2 15?

damn so we only get 90 from vault

[glacial shale]

I just killed raza and it dropped 15 so I guess yeah

[tiny dock]

lmao I don't get it at all, how are these rings a dps loss for me

my current rings are 506, i set these eranog and filial ring to 528 and they're bad for me

[rare kite]

are your current rings socketed? do you have leggo for eranog ring?

could be several things

[glacial shale]

Sooo, whispering incarnate or chromatic essence?

[tiny dock]

no sockets, only head ench would enable the eranog ring but I still figured 22 ilvl would be an upgrade

[rare kite]

depends on stats, like if you have all your haste from your rings then losing that is big

[gray steeple]

Augury is pumping in raid. averaging almost 8% of damage

[crisp widget]

sup, for M+ dps improvements, do you guys sim dungeon slice of just patchwork 2-5 targets?

[tiny dock]

okay makes sense

[cold elbow]

if the hardest content you do is your weekly 10 key what trinket would u pair with puzzle box? anvil sims 2nd highest after signet brand

[errant goblet]

is fatality able to crit or am i getting unlucky?

[rare kite]

can't crit

[robust ridge]

Neither Anvil nor Signet are particularly M+ friendly; it's easy to lose stacks

I'd suggest something more static - OCE / Icon can be good if you have others running it, Pip's is also a solid choice for pugs when there aren't OCE / Icon buffs

[cold elbow]

ty

[karmic iris]

Guys does someone have or use a cancel aura for fyralah weapon?

[sudden crest]

what build u guys run on diurna?

[bold jolt]

Sims wants me at 7633 haste lol

[sudden crest]

this one?

[cold elbow]

depends which part of the fight youre doing

[sudden crest]

boss

[cold elbow]

thats what i run yeah

[sudden crest]

on council can tweak a little or the same?

[empty bramble]

should I take OCE if there's only 3 of us using it?

[cold elbow]

i did the same for council

[hexed saddle]

gajeel just procced an 11mil fatal mark

lmfao

[rare kite]

double augies i pressume?

[sudden crest]

changed for any boss?

[hexed saddle]

no idea

[rare kite]

double augies on smolderon is what i'm gonna assume with like ashes or something like that

[cold elbow]

i dont really

[hexed saddle]

was raz

I think during the shield?

prob during the shield

[rare kite]

ah ye that also makes sense

[rare kite]

i would not run this on council. very not optimal

[sudden crest]

yeah, thats what i was thinking

weird for council

any suggestion?

[hexed saddle]

but no augers during the pop

[rare kite]

yes, whatever the top ranking arms players are running. copy that, go to warcraft logs. rankings, arms, primal council

[sudden crest]

fair lol

[rare kite]

i could find it for you, but it's nice to learn these things for yourself

[copper summit]

why do i see ppl run thunder ring vs unstable

[halcyon breach]

Because it's better for them

Not that complicated

[rare kite]

several explanations. 1 they don't have both rings. 2 they have too much of a certain stat and that ring is better. pretty simple

stats aren't "just stack crit haste"

[gray steeple]

Augury continues to rock it in raid. Very happy and a little surprised by it.

[trail spindle]

How good is Eranog ring without the legendary? Wondering if there is a better early bullion purchase or if its still best

[copper summit]

when should we stop at haste?

[rare kite]

whenever the sim tells you to stop

trust the robot

[copper summit]

mm kk

[brittle light]

LFR drops bullions right

[tiny dock]

where do you see it tell you to stop on haste

[copper summit]

yea

[sudden crest]

how can i check the build based on the logs?

[rare kite]

sim gems and enchants, if the sim tells you to go certain gems enchants then you know. there's no specific percentage we're looking for

[lone imp]

Are ground effects bugged for everyone?

[gray steeple]

Still good. Helm enchant also procs fire. Shadowflame too.

[rare kite]

down here for specific people

[sudden crest]

tytyty

[inner wasp]

i think my guild wants to focus s4 instead of pandaria remix

why would u take s4 seriously

[copper summit]

no is wtf?

[bold jolt]

Sim has me at gear adding to 7810 haste. Its different for everyone

[copper summit]

yea i think im just a tad confused why a haste vers back and boots are better than haste/mastery/crit back and boots

[tiny dock]

gotchya, tyty

[gloomy mirage]

a bunch of people in our raid can't see them for some reason

there was a lot of yolo'ing on council lmao

[outer holly]

There seems to be deadzones or something, like some areas you do get a reticle, others you dont

[gloomy mirage]

oof now on broodkeeper

[outer holly]

Must be some x,y shenanigans going on with the textures

[gloomy mirage]

yea some ppl are saying if you tilt your camera you can see them again

but idk

[outer holly]

/cast [@player]
can't fuck up what I don't control

[north mesa]

same with our raid, tank couldnt see the stun frontal on brood and a bunch couldnt see fire/lightning

not everyone tho

[gloomy mirage]

yeah mine's fine it's just like half the raid

[dire hinge]

you can try setting multisample to none and doing a reload, my team was able to see them afterwards

[fossil thistle]

Was a good choice I love it

[copper summit]

ive done so many keys today and there a lot of ppl running OCE im glad i took it

[gloomy mirage]

ty i share

[dire hinge]

good luck out there!

[gloomy mirage]

:3

[azure heart]

Hi everyone 🙂 people, i just come back to the game since S2 what are we getting from bullion as a M+ Only player ?

[dire hinge]

we have a new channel where Archimtiros is sharing information like this in a more accessible way, you can check out the post on Bullion suggestions, including M+ ones here:
#updates-midnight message

[azure heart]

Ty mate 🙂

[dire hinge]

of course! Welcome back and let us know if you have any arms questions

[smoky kayak]

ok, nobody raid tomorrow till after these lock in

[dire hinge]

haha

same for heroic 😬

(something tells me these are off, much like last week)

[north mesa]

boss damage #1

[smoky kayak]

it's just cause it's been 3 weeks since this raid, so we have a lot more gear

and raiding relatively early in the week

[smoky kayak]

hmm I wonder what that circle is for!

[gloomy mirage]

i only feel good about my parses today

[north mesa]

shush

[dire hinge]

last week I saw something similar, where WCL didn't seem to be accurately comparing performance against parses from the same evening (on reset day). Our whole group got 100s, and they didn't majorly shift until the next morning when everything locked in and parses got halved

[north mesa]

its a normal anvil its just to bring me back to speed

[gloomy mirage]

PIPIPIPI

[dire hinge]

not on the overview page (which we've seen before), but on the individual boss breakdown pages

[rare kite]

Wtf Archi playing arms

[lone imp]

[eternal vortex]

Ikr

[lone imp]

somebody turn off eu tomorrow

[hexed saddle]

god i love @ocean pond

[smoky kayak]

nooooo my average

[lone imp]

I died on dathea 😦

we didn't go up

it hurt

[smoky kayak]

these bosses are flopping so hard idk how many ups we're doing

[lone imp]

Yeah we spent legit 15 minutes explaining kurog to the new people

and 1 shot it lol spent twice as long talking about it

[north mesa]

im happy that since we're all giga juiced its possible to kill kurog b4 2nd intermission

[lone imp]

Yeah that was nice

[strange perch]

should i run 2x sf if i dont have lego? i have diurna ring

[lone imp]

you do have helm enchant

[strange perch]

true

what do you guys run

[eternal vortex]

I run 2x BSL

that simmed highest for me

[strange perch]

i pug too much to have bsl be worth it for me i feel like

[lone imp]

I have wrists/bsl neck

[eternal vortex]

Even with 40% uptime, still simmed higher than vers wrist and 1 BSL

My average uptime in m+ is above 60%

[strange perch]

maybe ill make 1 bsl and just keep my 525 sf pc

[bold granite]

all natural no embellies gamer

[eternal vortex]

Natty gamin

[strange perch]

pog champ

[bold granite]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-uptempo-zyzz-fist-bump-gif-25235668

[lone imp]

Clicking off lust gamer

real gamer needs not

[eternal vortex]

Zyzz the legend

[strange perch]

https://tenor.com/view/drdisrespect-gif-21418211

[bold granite]

100% natty

[smoky kayak]

we're currently trying to remember how to do dathea sparks lol

also same, we talked about Kurog for 5m then 1 shot it

[lone imp]

Dude dathea is the worst boss

We did a couple pulls and people didn't really know what to do going up and dunking and stuff

so we said fuck it we ball, and just didn't go up

[eternal vortex]

Heroic?

[lone imp]

mythic

[eternal vortex]

At least u can zug mythic

[smoky kayak]

LOL

[lone imp]

We fully did

[smoky kayak]

how nasty was it?

[lone imp]

Bro at the end

ngl

spicy

[smoky kayak]

we're fine with the going up, but the weird dunk order is something I legit don't remember

[lone imp]

I tripped near the end

[eternal vortex]

Dathea is a dogshit boss ngl

[lone imp]

Which sucks cause I was cranking

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Rmhvxzpd6A8jZkYt#fight=28&type=damage-done

[eternal vortex]

Another arms #1

Lol

[lone imp]

Yeah he lived a little longer lol but waters blasts he's a homie

[eternal vortex]

That is a healthy competiton

[lone imp]

Yeah honestly I've never played with another brown man that made me sit up in my seat and try to game, so I enjoy playing with him

He dunked me on kurog too lol https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Rmhvxzpd6A8jZkYt#fight=15&type=damage-done

The warrior in my last guild was dogshit so it was just annoying tbh

[eternal vortex]

Yeah having a competition really brings u up

That used to be me back in SL on ret

But im glad two arms are on top of the charts

(Buff arms)

[lone imp]

What's funny is we both normally only play fury so we talk non stop trying to figure out wtf we are doing lol

[eternal vortex]

Does any1 know how much dps gain is when u have a fully upgraded leggo

[mellow seal]

whats opener with lego just send it before avatar/cs?

[karmic ermine]

Can anyone explain to me why this magamatusk trinket sims so high compared to the Neltharion trinket? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iA1MnFcN6FojPPMkqezoET

Bloodmallet has the Neltharion trinket ranked super high, but the sim for my stats doesn't quite have the same effect.

[karmic ermine]

Upgrading my leggo from 515 to 535 sims as ~25k dps increase by itself.

[cloud dawn]

noob question, for the bs build, do you save avatar for TR & BS or do you fire off TR off cd and allign with BS

Find the build annoying waiting for avatar all the time

[eternal vortex]

Thank you

[rare kite]

off cd, no point in grabbing the cdr talent for TR if you're not gonna use it. if you don't have uproar ofcourse you send with avatar everytime

[cloud dawn]

thanks

[strange perch]

whats the command to check in game the embers?

[fossil thistle]

Still no legendary

[strange perch]

so i found the command and its /dump C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(2784)

trying to figure out what it means

guess it means i have a 9% extra chance to get it from lesser embers

[jade basalt]

Got mine at 9th hc kill with 32 lesser embers

Good luck for you I suffered too much

[eternal vortex]

My guildie who plays prot pally got on his first heroic fyraak kill

[jade basalt]

gg

[eternal vortex]

Lifes fair

[gray valley]

Puzzlebox angle? Strictly M+ wise. My current trinket options to pair are Irideus 522, 522 Blazebinder hoof and lower box (515). ST sims say Trampling+Lower box by a fair bit, DSlice says Trampling+Irideus which is why I'm asking as I see most top arms run puzzy instead.

[light dirge]

yo guys, are we running 2 embellishments?

[dire hinge]

should be yes

[light dirge]

dang.

i can sim what craft would be best for me right ?

[dire hinge]

This should help you out:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/bis-gear#crafted-gear-for-arms-warriors-in-dragonflight#best-embellishments-for-arms-warriors

[eternal vortex]

Unless u are completely natty gamin

[light dirge]

haha

i just havent crafted my second embellishment yet

but i've been slamming lately

feels great

arms is so good rn i love it

[eternal vortex]

Im glad ur enjoying arms!

[still tapir]

W ?

[eternal vortex]

Im playing both specs after fury buff

[light dirge]

i miss fury from last tier

odyns spam was so fun

[hard cedar]

That's a good mog!

[reef glade]

man..

[tired terrace]

what do you guys think for a second trinket to go with puzzlebox if im playing both arms and fury? was thinking either pips or icon?

[strange perch]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-dance-suh-smash-gif-15155647

[gray valley]

Links to relevant sims, would appreciate input for keys, not doing raiding really.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sgv8gqTdqkXtNzxuiD9BQs
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6rQgvYijPobXvxV4BGNNh2

[tired terrace]

i'd take myth puzzlebox, sims wont accurately reflect the value of it for big aoe pulls

[light dirge]

feels good to hit a 1.3m mortal strike

zug zug

[reef glade]

bruh i want to end it all

dogshit sennarth

dogshit boss

used leggo

[gray valley]

That does make sense. What about pairing it up, would you go Puzzle/Irideus or Puzzle/Blazebinder's? Both being 522.

[reef glade]

fuckin flung off edge

had like 400k dps b4 i died pre execute phase

ended boss at 282

just kill me

[pale jungle]

[white trail]

legendary is absolute bait on some bosses, i used it on the stone dude boss with the arms in timewalking ulduar earlier at the start of the fight and it put me off the edge and i felt like a freakin loony tunes character

only thing missing was me waving at the camera before i fell down and died

[abstract schooner]

what is the macro for BS and puzzle box?

[reef glade]

u need to have blademasters torment and u just put both in a macro

avatar that is

not bs

just like
/cast avatar
/cast puzzlebox

can either write out full name of puzzlebox

or like /use 13 if its in first slot

[wary raft]

this is 100% the best raiding experience, had it for the first cpl years I started mythic raiding but now ive been alone for longer than I ever had brown competiton

[abstract schooner]

Thats right! its Avatar not BS that does it Thank you

[spark mango]

guys

i've been unlucky with trinkets

and since i boost raid i had to buy grieftorch with builion

my second trinket is rumbling ruby from terros mythic

now i wnat to buy augury for my fury dungeons, do you think it performs well on arms raid?

since it doesnt give str?

[wary raft]

sim it

[rapid bronze]

it performs well enough, does around 7-8% of my damage on bosses

but yeah sim it

[steady star]

is there smth besides legendary and shadowflame embelishment to proc ring fron eranog?

[gray valley]

Head enchant does too

[steady star]

oh ok cuz dont have any of those 2 and think if its even worth by now to take ring from bullions

[spark mango]

so if i wnat to play both fury and arms and my current 528 trinket is manic grieftorch

what u guys suggest i spend builion on

[tender pecan]

so theres that

[spark mango]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bDSM1qK2UdpVV2hfoHzmVb this is me

[calm elm]

My brother just run a droptimizer.

[spark mango]

yes but for example droptimizer says my best trinket is cata from smolderon which doesnt do well in m+ and short fights

i need to go based on knowledge here

[robust ridge]

Puzzlebox + another trinket; Icon and OCE's value is pretty dependent on who else in the group is running one, so for M+ you're probably better off going something like Pip's or Augury (unless you know someone in the group is running one of the stat sticks)

Pip's is better for Arms, Augury for Fury, so pick your poison if you're going that route

[calm elm]

And honestly Ruby isn’t even all that bad if we are strictly speaking M+ pulls either. Like for mine if I do dungeon slice it pulls decently far ahead.

[spark mango]

nah i need an all arounder, i boost heroic raids most of the day thats why i bought grieftorch with builion

[calm elm]

But eh, went Augury because it’s ok in both ST and M+ and has the backup of being major BIS for fury

[spark mango]

people die and you pew pew

[robust ridge]

Ruby isn't bad that's true; I wouldn't spend bullion on it though, at least not at this stage

[spark mango]

but its bad for both specs

[calm elm]

If you are looking for that there isn’t a clean answer. Each have their pros and cons and there is no just better options unless OCE or Icon is stacked.

[robust ridge]

Puzzlebox is good for both, as is OCE and Icon; but again that's dependent on whether there are other buffs available. There isn't another 'all rounder' that benefits both specs equally unfortunately