arms

[jade basalt]

pug amirdrassil gets weird starting from smolderon

the other 2 raids were free til hc

[strange perch]

(I’m actually going to look into simming. My dislike of it stems from legion)

Is it still the same addon?

[manic blade]

ive been trying to heal some yolo fyrraks on my evoker and its a bit tough with some groups

[strange perch]

I still don’t know how to soak in that boss

[jade basalt]

you install simulationcraft addon, type /simc and copy the text. Go to raidbots.com and choose the option you need and then paste the text so it gets your data

It's much easier and intuitive

[jade basalt]

Small circle > get out
Nothing > go to the main tank to soak tankbuster

[strange perch]

I remember in legion it being more annoying

[jade basalt]

by getting hit by that you can get the damage amp orbs in intermission

[strange perch]

Ah

I’ll watch a quick guide anyone while making my hot chocolate

[jade basalt]

check out mythictrap.com

https://www.mythictrap.com/en/amirdrassil/smolderon/heroic/dps

[strange perch]

The only reason I fear it honestly because it’s most likely going to be the case my high ilvl gear is going to be bad

[strange perch]

Aside from the catalyst

[jade basalt]

doubt it

[strange perch]

Either way, gonna try to knock that out tonight.

[jade basalt]

👍

[dusky helm]

If i got the lego this tier, i still need to awaken it right? so i should save a bullion?

[jade basalt]

You’ll get 2 upcoming week

So uh

By this tier if you mean you just get the axe atm, yes you should buy the scale(upgrade) with the currency

[strange perch]

Are they changing amount you can get?

Thought you can only get one a week

[dire hinge]

you should have 1 in your bags if you're caught up, next week would be a 2nd

[jade basalt]

No, I meant we had 1 already so you’ll get another next week

[strange perch]

Oh right right

[obtuse minnow]

Do I always want to cast Avatar and Warbreaker/Colossus Smash together? Or do I manage them seperately?

[twin ridge]

anyone got a shuffle talent build for me

[jade basalt]

In execute phase CS comes much faster so you just cast each on cd

[dire hinge]

in single target you CS on cooldown, regardless of the other ones (as long as the boss wont go immune soon or something)

In AoE, you can play around the pack's HP, usually opening on packs with both, but you can still use it mid-way through a pack if they'll live for a bit

due to Anger Management, your CS will desync with Avatar and that's okay

[jade basalt]

More cd more damage

[dire hinge]

if you mean Solo Shuffle, you can check out #pvp , this channel is mostly PVE

[timber solar]

do you still need to delay orbs pick up in smolderon like fury in arms?

[strange perch]

Man

A part of me wishes they would just make brain dead easy again

Coming back to the game this late is killing my pockets

And earning gold is slow after a certain point im just tempted to get a wow token

Tempted, still find it bs you can just buy gold

[outer yew]

Does anyone know what time crests reset last week? Wondering if it does the same tonight

[rose matrix]

I saw the AoE rotation had some changes. We use whirlwind high up in AoE if we are above 70 rage now?

[teal fossil]

You don’t need to buy anything

Just gear through m+ spam like a normal person

[strange perch]

No

Stuff like consumables and what not

Thought oh if getting it via the auction house is too expensive I’ll just level it so I can make them myself. And no that route is even worse since I won’t be able to be make my investment back

No matter what I’m losing so much gold and making barley any of it back

[outer holly]

oh you don't have max multicraft, resourcefulness and 900 skill points invested in to your profession?

[strange perch]

I actually don’t mind the skill points at least for alchemy

I know what I wanted from it so honing it isn’t a big issue

But it’s still a big cost investment that im most likely never going to make back

I don’t know why blizzard is so scared of just making gold just, idk less of a full time job

[outer holly]

S2 was probably the best market for professions, by this point I don't even bother responding to people in trade

But ig that's just how expacs go

[strange perch]

I feel like the obvious solution is just make sources that reward gold better and reward gold for harder activities based on difficulty or time investment

They are trying to respect people time with what df did and what ww is doing. But gold is still something they are scared of

[outer holly]

If you wanted to you can pull in something like 10k from the weekly/dailies alone, but honestly that's not a time investment I'm willing to make when I can just buy 300k for an hours worth of work

which is why it's so profitable to blizz

[teal fossil]

being able to pay 20 bucks to solve your consumable issue for the rest of the tier isnt too bad

[teal fossil]

if they buff gold gain in game its just gonna lead to inflation

its already like 300k per wow token rn

[sinful willow]

Oce or icon for upcoming bullion?

[gray steeple]

I’m thinking shield ring since every trinket seems to have a condition to what makes it good.

[smoky kayak]

whatever you think your group will fill out

[strange perch]

Ik but it’s the principle of the thing

I don’t want to normalize stuff like that

It just gives greedy exces an excuse to be terrible to consumers and devs to take the brunt of the hate

[winged creek]

do i go with shield ring for surviability or silent star for damage hmmmmmmmmmmm

decisons decisions....

[frigid lava]

the proc rate of shield ring is decent

[wild heart]

anyone elses aspect crest cap just go up

[wary raft]

nice crest cap went up early again

though im sure its intentional

[clever crag]

I just want the spider mount bro

[teal fossil]

Blizzard giving more gold won’t help

Everything is just gonna inflate if that happens

They could just make consumables buyable from vendor sure

But then you just invalidated player economy

[strange perch]

Is that a bad thing?

Like genuinely

[slow saddle]

At leasy i want shield ring

[astral yarrow]

For the people that like playing with the economy yes

I’d imagine it’s also a big part of mmo design

[lucid shadow]

hey everyone! I've been working on dmg with Arms. I've been wondering in all the builds I've seen everyone prioritizes in for the kill over test of might. Is there a reason for this or preference?

[boreal quartz]

IFTK is better in aoe

TOM is only for raid

[lucid shadow]

Word! Thank you!

[frigid lava]

awww shit aspect cap has increased +120

I mean all crests

[clever crag]

How tf do you even make 2mil other than carries

[astral yarrow]

Sell stuff on AH

I didn’t boost much in BFA but made enough gold through TSM to buy the brutosaur and the heroic SL edition

[proud plover]

carriees are eeeasy money atm

got paid 15k per key to tank +2's in plate stack group

[quasi torrent]

so early cap increase is just a feature this ssn or what

[slow saddle]

Kek how long time does a +2 take?

[proud plover]

not long at all

[slow saddle]

Hmm but still long? 20 min?

Hm so 45k per hour ... well not terribad😆😅

[proud plover]

just easy gold

[slow saddle]

Ye

I made all my gold in season 1 tbh

When crafting was good. I sold loads pf mats

[proud plover]

i made a fortune being the first cafter on server to have swords/bladed wepons maxed out first, so many i crafted

[slow saddle]

Ah i only made like 7m on mats

And some light crafting

[proud plover]

yeah nice

[slow saddle]

But keeps me not hav8ng to farm🤣

[proud plover]

guildy was selling 1 mill a week in just herbs

[slow saddle]

I mean its always season 1 u makw the most g

After that stockpilers ah gamers and shit push prices🥲

[storm lark]

If i only have 1x 528 ring the absorb shield ring would cost me 90 aspects to max upgrade right?

[clever crag]

Wtf

On ah ?

[jade basalt]

mans running a whole plantation

[frigid lava]

so far.. im runnning +2s in around 15m

[proud plover]

yeah he spent 4 weeks farming herbs while everyone was rushing content

thats all he did

[frigid lava]

blizzard should just remove those professions

it's all done by venezulean bots

I have mining and herbal... they are fucking worthless

[proud plover]

hehe spriest was giving all the pi to the hunter

got to love bloodmallet pi lists in aoe that get followed as a rule of law

[clever crag]

Well fuck 😂 I have limited time as is

Ill just buy tokens

[proud plover]

if you plan it right you can make enough gold in the first 3 months of an xpac that coveres your sub time until the next xpac

[coarse glade]

is there any catch up gear vendor or is the 418 stuff from the auction house my best go to

[steep osprey]

He just wanted to balance the damage

[halcyon breach]

You can buy 451 pvp gear from the AH

However the catchup vendor has not been updated for S4

[coarse glade]

but is there one?

[halcyon breach]

There was one yes

But as I said, not updated

[coarse glade]

So Not Updated -> Removed? 😄

Or just not good ilvl

[halcyon breach]

Yes

You can not buy from it anymore

It used to be the Keystone panda infront of the bank

[coarse glade]

ahh ok

[halcyon breach]

But she doesn't have the option to sell caches

[real flint]

If you have any of that dream coalesence or what ever that geeen powder currency is called, you can get 457(?) gear from the dream surge vendor

[proud plover]

just run heroic 5 mans for 476 upgradeable AND catalystable gear

[halcyon breach]

You need to be ilvl 441 or something to queue for Heroic

So if your char is an absolute rat or fresh 70, you wont be able to

[proud plover]

true

[steady plover]

yeah most German nowadays live under their parent's basement till they are 22-26 , because life wasn't like before ,and there are some social aspects in family with Germans to some degree unlike USA when someone turn 18 they kick him out of the house .

Spongie getting dem spoils

What a spong

[boreal quartz]

Getting kicked out at 18 is cringe tbf

[swift crown]

PvP gear conveniently fills that for very little gold

[halcyon breach]

Yes I know, it was just in response to them saying run Heroic instead

[slow saddle]

Bunkers not basements🤣

[swift crown]

Sowwy

gm Banezi

[halcyon breach]

You will NOT be sorry Schmidi for you have nothing to be sorry for

gm Schmidi

[swift crown]

I'm sorry for being sorry

Fuuuuck

[proud plover]

im sorry for suggesting it even..

[gray herald]

you can ah 451 pvp gear for like 1k a piece

and do 10 mins of world content for a few veteran pieces

[halcyon breach]

[proud plover]

wonder how thy selliing it at a loss

[gray herald]

yeah idk

i bought a full set for my priest and no piece was above 2k

maybe cloth stuff is cheaper to craft

oh wait the profit is right there

maybe resourcefulness is op?

[proud plover]

maybe

[gray herald]

is there any idea what gear characters coming out of mop remix and into dragonflight will get?

because i assume the timerunning shit will just get deleted

[proud plover]

yeah gear replaced

id assume be the same gear as the boosted toon 424 stuff

[lost kernel]

Guys, tank and healer have icon trinket as their bis?

[halcyon breach]

Nej

[gray herald]

oh yeah probably

[halcyon breach]

Tanks more than anything don't want to use Icon unless it's specifically just to be a group player

[lost kernel]

So in the future i should look for icon sims only as dps.

[halcyon breach]

Unless you're playing with premades, it's more likely to be DPS using it yeah

Since Healers afaik also prefer other trinkets, but more likely to use it

[lost kernel]

Same about ominous trinket?

[proud plover]

a feew healers like icon

resto druid being one

[dull siren]

Tanks have 0 say.

They do as told

[proud plover]

yeah tanks do as they are told and use rageheart

vers stat stick + huge ass shield + dps trinkeet

[dull siren]

Ominous is different @lost kernel since they can choose what stat they want.
Vers etc etc.

[lost kernel]

I just didnt want to waste 4 bullions for icon trinket and oce trinket, to find out its not bis in long term))

[gray herald]

with that one it doesnt matter what role, you get to choose the stats

but again, unreliable outside of premade groups

[proud plover]

also the issue of players running oce using the same buff

so its wasted

[gray herald]

even in our raid in s2 we'd have a stupid discussion about "who is running x stat"

[dull siren]

I mean, Any grp dependant items are obviously rougher in pug world than premade.

[gray herald]

every week

[proud plover]

finding out your obsidian bitch isnt fun tbh

[lost kernel]

So if i pick rageheart+augury or torch i just free from any boundaries))?

Pick and forget

[proud plover]

you dont want rageheart of arms

[halcyon breach]

Or just have Puzzle + Pips

If you don't care

[dull siren]

Better to just go

Call to Chaos + Puzzle

[proud plover]

IF you want a defensive/offensive trinket for m+ - its dreadplate by a mile

[dull siren]

if ur playin arms

[halcyon breach]

Honestly Puzzle + Any stat raid trinket can work really

They're very close to each other

[proud plover]

arms 5t dps trinket comnparison

[lost kernel]

Augury 489 doing 6%+ of my damage. Prolly rageheart too, so 12% of damage even if i play mediocre)) + diurna ring. I like items where they just do damage, aside from ur gameplay perfomance and skill

[dull siren]

Yes

pick

Enduring Dreadplate

BANGER TRINKET

🤥

[proud plover]

^^

[dull siren]

@halcyon breach What if you can't buy any upgrades from the vendors?

Do you buy mogs?

[halcyon breach]

I have alts for that

[dull siren]

xdd

[halcyon breach]

I'm not spoonfed everything yet

So I have to actually buy bullion items

Rough life you know

[quasi torrent]

u should start recommending flying around dreamsurges to collect balls to acquire 486 blue gear aswell!

that is powerful tech!

[dull siren]

I think I have to buy a ring

this combo isn't hard

[halcyon breach]

collect :balls:

[quasi torrent]

VERSADILIDY???

[quasi torrent]

no nitro failure!

its in your power to add balls to this server banezor!

[gray herald]

:Balls:

[dull siren]

:balls:

@quasi torrent Do you use BSL?

[quasi torrent]

1 bsl 1 larry rn

[dull siren]

aj aj

[lost kernel]

Problem with puzzle is what u need to cast it + u need to do near perfect rotation for its duration, so u use mastety buff at highest effectivness, so even small tactic issues or mechanics can ruin ur puzzle sim value, when augury just do damage regardless))

[spare basin]

hey warriors, gotta quick question, since its not mentioned on wow head; i had my warrior last season equipped to 460 or something, got a 454 weapon etc, BUT i got now 2 bouillions.. , should i buy ashkandur, or wait for legendary? .<

[halcyon breach]

Near perfect rotation?

It lasts for 30 seconds

[steep osprey]

no lmao

it lasts 30 seconds

[halcyon breach]

Well above your cooldown window

[quasi torrent]

near perfect xdd

(press mortal strike)

[halcyon breach]

You're really overthinking Puzzle if that's your conclusion

[proud plover]

buy ashkandi unless you are looting leggo with in weeek or 2

[dull siren]

Banezi what do you sim now

[halcyon breach]

Have you killed Fyrakk ever on that char

[gray herald]

have you killed any heroic fyrakks

[dull siren]

Ur like the most spoon fed player

[halcyon breach]

400k idk lol

[spare basin]

yeah few times, but only lfr.

[lost kernel]

I mean u need to put into 30 sec maximum skills with little or no delay.

[spare basin]

got a few sparks

[halcyon breach]

Then buying Ashkandur is more than fine

[quasi torrent]

double bsl only 400k

so noob

so NOOB

[halcyon breach]

yeah sorry

I don't have giga gear

Unlike other people

[spare basin]

alright, thanks man. was like "oh no dont waste them early on that, wait for leggo" 🙂 thanks.

[frigid lava]

I'm still banking on leggo

[halcyon breach]

Again, no you really don't

[brisk slate]

Anything other than a weapon - rather craft one if you really need one. Legendary is BIS and so the demand for 2h weapons is at an all time low, you can snatch an Ashkandur fairly easily this season.

Or any other M+ weapon for that matter.

[thick kelp]

[halcyon breach]

You're really overthinking it

[dull siren]

@thick kelp

I don't have a lot of gear

DO NOT START

[spare basin]

thanks also! 🙂

[opal folio]

Crafting a weapon is a really bad call

[frigid lava]

What u end up crafting is... what... neck,wrist... and possibly belt and boots?

[quasi torrent]

by this logic u gotta do almost perfect king shit 24/7 to do any damage

[dull siren]

Crafting weap is illegal.
Either you get the lego upgrade or you get ashkandur with Bullion

[dull siren]

Neck + Wrists.

[spare basin]

easy peasy guys, thanks man! gotta go for bullion ashkandur 😉

[thick kelp]

U sim illegal high tho @dull siren

[proud plover]

im going to assume that they arent raiding heroic or higher so ashkandi is their biss weapon until leggo based almost entireeely on the fact it is upgradeable to mythic 528 ilvl

[dull siren]

??

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e19kL5Uc5qufKWmy2yZJvP

407K?

[brisk slate]

Hey, i just said that you can craft a weapon, not that you should craft a weapon.

[dull siren]

illegally high yapp

[gray herald]

🤯

[thick kelp]

2k above me

holy

[gray herald]

true it is possible

[dull siren]

Yeah, Let's not even talk about my other 2 warriors

[opal folio]

What would you suggest for food pocket craft? Cloak?

[quasi torrent]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i59ZraExJ1AnbrY1W7nqtM 401 w/ larry moment

[thick kelp]

yoinking ppaww loot

[dull siren]

suffer 0 food enchant

[dull siren]

HE HAS MORE THAN ME

[opal folio]

[thick kelp]

does he actually i havnt seen

his sim

[dull siren]

Bro

He somehow

[halcyon breach]

oh wow only 401k with mythic icon!

nerd!!

[dull siren]

made his spark vanish

and is missing a craft

[quasi torrent]

maybe just get a better vault?

[dull siren]

@gaunt owl literally just deleted his spark said to us "guys i need loot since I deleted my spark."

[thick kelp]

holy moly

[dull siren]

So he's still playing with 486 wrists

[thick kelp]

next level

[quasi torrent]

king

[halcyon breach]

Again I never get gear

[dull siren]

It's like crazy how you say

[quasi torrent]

all OCE users are cringe

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/szCTELwaj97gCsdxJmbdRW
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8RzMj3k3BMakXdfVir1CDD

Is worse than Ppaww

[halcyon breach]

ille

gal

[dull siren]

Haven't gotten a OCE yet

[quasi torrent]

those are defo real trinkets

and will perform well on most fights

[halcyon breach]

For sure

[dull siren]

real

[thick kelp]

no joke anvil fucks in 4min sims tho

[quasi torrent]

are u guys ready for smolderon to not be pushed below 30 during dmg amp next time ure there

[dull siren]

Idk why people are saying "Get lego upgraded"
I have proof

[frigid lava]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/stVoQABbnsC47mRdu2TZPx

[thick kelp]

like pbox level

[dull siren]

that Ashkandur is broken

[frigid lava]

my weakshit

[dull siren]

So

Why make lego when Ashkandur is 10% of ur damage

@halcyon breach

[quasi torrent]

i will buy ashkandur and play fury

thoughts

[halcyon breach]

Ye okay show rest of breakdown

[lost kernel]

Can torch be bis for pug raid and m+? Coz people always die alot in pugs

[dull siren]

Heroic Throw

[quasi torrent]

grieftorch is powerful indeed

[frigid lava]

fury isn't strong this season but s2 rotation is really fun.

[halcyon breach]

Powerful throw

[frigid lava]

rampage spam!

[quasi torrent]

i will spec

titanic throw on fury

[dull siren]

I did that in M+

i got aggro

[quasi torrent]

get help

[thick kelp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g3MVhduQW8f85yzpKHyiUH wait u are 3k above me tmy

[dull siren]

Yeah sry 407

is my best

[quasi torrent]

icon and oce

king

is that leech icon from vault

[thick kelp]

ye

[quasi torrent]

or did u finesse that from ur healers

xdd

[dull siren]

Leech xdd

[quasi torrent]

leech is super broken for BSL

[dull siren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1230539998898684057.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[thick kelp]

sadly my tanks will never play it

[quasi torrent]

we made our tank who only raidlogs buy it

he had no choice

[thick kelp]

baseg

[quasi torrent]

okay guys i didnt prog rasz mythic

and i gotta tank her next week

what do

do i just fake dc before raid

[thick kelp]

charge charge leap

ezclap

[quasi torrent]

i dont think u gotta do that much anymore

push is giga nerfge

[thick kelp]

charge charge then

[dull siren]

lmfao

What if you tank rasz on the otherside of the platform

[quasi torrent]

true

i think i will ask for weyrnstone then

[halcyon breach]

Be sure to turn Rasza towards the raid when she knockbacks

So Rogues can safely shadowstep

[thick kelp]

chocolate train with priests

to save u

[quasi torrent]

real lore???

[dull siren]

https://giphy.com/gifs/noiruf-XgPYtyEGx3T2Z6dG45

[quasi torrent]

surely there is some caveat to this

[halcyon breach]

It's real lore

[thick kelp]

bonk

[quasi torrent]

poor tortil man

[halcyon breach]

If you want them to die

[quasi torrent]

hmmm

my rogue is seliathan

so i will consider this

[dull siren]

he was escaping to the sewers to fulfill his purpose

TMNT

[thick kelp]

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m2hfnAdhffemtAWTCFe7vv

@thick kelp

Do I buy icon or OCE

[halcyon breach]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u1jGLrTNPeJ5aLVoGFhu86 my char is so weak

515 head despairge

[thick kelp]

surely oce

so u cann yell at your healer to go smth else so u can play crit

[quasi torrent]

https://i.imgur.com/FLamgSO.png

explain this

what the

fuck

is this

[halcyon breach]

I think the play is just to buy Broodkeeper ring

And go for 2 holes

What

[quasi torrent]

bro playing double speed ench

???

[halcyon breach]

yeah zoom?

[quasi torrent]

get avoid or leech for bsl

[dull siren]

nah speed

[halcyon breach]

I will avoid you

[quasi torrent]

ok wtf

[dull siren]

to dodge the mechanics

and avoid dmg

[thick kelp]

5head

[quasi torrent]

AND THEN HE DOES THIS

no i can NOT believe it

LLLLLLLLLL

[dull siren]

Say no to DPS.

[halcyon breach]

yeah okay

the armour/versa

Is so bait

You can not say anything about that

[dull siren]

the armour

isn't bait

[thick kelp]

versa one simming 200 higher for me over thr armour one

[halcyon breach]

It's

100 dps

or something

you are trolling

[dull siren]

yes

[halcyon breach]

If you pick that over stam

[dull siren]

stam isnt dps

[quasi torrent]

ure using SPEED

[gaunt owl]

I didnt stop lying

[halcyon breach]

Tmy is some cooked shit

[dull siren]

Explain the wrists then

[dull siren]

Ppaww told me

Never pick 0 DPS

Always pick DPS

[halcyon breach]

You're both lost

[dull siren]

And he's like 40 years old

he's smart

knowledge

[thick kelp]

swiss knowledge bank

ppaww

[gaunt owl]

We got Ww2 gold

Under my matress

I cant sleep on it too hard on my back

[dull siren]

u can't sleep because ur an alcoholic

[quasi torrent]

@halcyon breach 300 dps

thats YUGE

[halcyon breach]

I love my variance dps increase

[dull siren]

OMG CAUGHT

[gaunt owl]

Dude you are the one awakw til 6 am

[quasi torrent]

its not variance its margin ...

[dull siren]

https://tenor.com/view/getoutofmyskin-get-out-of-my-skin-stableronaldo-ronaldo-voices-gif-18439172648782366363

[quasi torrent]

also margin is 2/3 of this increase

therefor big value

[dull siren]

DPS DPS DPS

[halcyon breach]

ok sorry for using wrong terminology anda san

[quasi torrent]

imo they should make obsidian scales give ATTT str again

like on 10.1.5 ptr

[dull siren]

Please forgive Banezi for lord he has sinned

[quasi torrent]

i should run a race sim

and gain my 150 dps from going human

thoughts?

[dull siren]

woah woah

[thick kelp]

go for it champ

[halcyon breach]

definitely worth your money

[quasi torrent]

surely being dwarf isnt worth more

[dull siren]

Anda, Why does Banezi always have such a tone vs us

[thick kelp]

what race do i go for my timerunnin warrior

[quasi torrent]

rude danish person

[halcyon breach]

Anda yells at me in VC

Calls me a noober

[quasi torrent]

I go draenei cause i want heritage armor

[dull siren]

https://tenor.com/view/denmark-danish-sweden-swedish-cute-gif-23787804

[quasi torrent]

gift of the naaru OP

[dull siren]

@halcyon breach

[halcyon breach]

Sorry it's a curse I can't get rid of

[quasi torrent]

hard r

[halcyon breach]

Bad spawn

[thick kelp]

i was thinking troll for this reason

[quasi torrent]

i might not even go warr

iek

[dull siren]

Where is human heritage

[quasi torrent]

But idk what other class id want rn

[quasi torrent]

itll just be stormwind guard armor in hd bro

[dull siren]

How is a guard uniform heritage armor

[thick kelp]

dont humans

already have heritage

armor

[dull siren]

no clue

[thick kelp]

the blue and red stuff with eagle shouldet

[brisk slate]

They do

[loud fulcrum]

since 10.0.7

[gray herald]

what races dont?

[quasi torrent]

it fucking is

guard armor

i cant

NAH

it was a joke bro

[gray herald]

it's so bad hahah

stormwind guard set looks better

[quasi torrent]

yes i will look like this

[thick kelp]

dwarf heritage goes hard

[dull siren]

U can be golden

[thick kelp]

glad to be a dwarf

[thick kelp]

unreleased

[quasi torrent]

WHAT A HELMET

[thick kelp]

i thinks

[gray herald]

bis

[quasi torrent]

🎰

[dull siren]

Why are they wearing wowhead

[quasi torrent]

new 7 meta is slot machine emoji

[dull siren]

armor?

[dull siren]

thinks

jarjar binks

[boreal quartz]

🎰

[sacred zodiac]

this is wrong it is you who screams at everyone

[dull siren]

Real

[halcyon breach]

This goes against my narrative so it is not true

[dull siren]

Out the fraud

[quasi torrent]

it is also I

[sacred zodiac]

he has deleted my previous message

this is outrageous

[halcyon breach]

Liar liar, Hosen have combusted

[sacred zodiac]

what hosen?

[dull siren]

He tries to pull the "Hey buddy you have to be quiet"

[swift crown]

Can't combust Hosen if Hosen never existed in the first place

[quasi torrent]

combusted?

are u a

MAGE?

[dull siren]

I busted

[quasi torrent]

WE HATE MAGES

[halcyon breach]

I will be a Magus in 2 days

(Mop remix)

[quasi torrent]

(except andalf)

[dull siren]

why

[quasi torrent]

(andalf is the KING)

[sacred zodiac]

@quasi torrent axel (king) did not know about the 2 bullions until yday where i told him

[quasi torrent]

oh no....

close...

[dull siren]

We are a grp of 24 ppl LF healers for MoP Remix

[sacred zodiac]

love him so much

[dull siren]

[halcyon breach]

Because rn Arms makes me suffer many types of irreversable conditions playing it outside of raid

[quasi torrent]

"grp of 24"

daily lockout

[sacred zodiac]

wrong

[quasi torrent]

surely u can organize a daily raid with 24 lads

[dull siren]

2 tanks

3 healers that will prob no show

omega

[quasi torrent]

no ones gonna play healer in reimx

[gray herald]

is talent tree etc the same as df

whole game same

[halcyon breach]

Ye

[swift crown]

🧎

[gray herald]

thought so

i go ret or dk

[halcyon breach]

It's MoP but with DF

[gray herald]

[halcyon breach]

And the new random stuff they add

[swift crown]

MoP remix is for getting your 13 split alts ready

[dull siren]

real adventure @quasi torrent

[swift crown]

Let's go splits

[gray herald]

i miss splits

[halcyon breach]

I will for sure do this

[proud plover]

the amount of self healing and absorbs from gems you wont NEED a heealer

[clever crag]

If you dont go human this patch youre inting

The most BASED combo

[dull siren]

the meme patch

[last pier]

Hey guys

If i already have ominous and algethar should i go for signet next bullion item?

I already have the fire dmg ring

Or should i just get the other ring with shield

I plan to focus on raiding so i dont know what works best

Damage wise signet is an upgrade, but staying alive = is way more important

[boreal quartz]

Sark cloak exists

[sacred zodiac]

just take the shield ring

[halcyon breach]

I will lose 0.4% dps to pick the shield ring

[sacred zodiac]

i will

shrug

[halcyon breach]

You have now made me lose damage Spongie, prepare to perish

[steep osprey]

don't do it

[proud plover]

maybe you will gain dps cause that tiny buffer for bsl uptime

[somber lance]

Maybe gain dps from not dying

[quasi torrent]

gain dn

[somber lance]

😳

[exotic kestrel]

Was watching critcake earlier in m+ and i noticed hes pressing Whirlwind in execute phase on ST, is it just to dump rage?

[sacred zodiac]

@daring heron explain yourself immediately

[exotic kestrel]

oh no

[sacred zodiac]

(he probably didnt mean to press it)

[proud plover]

if he isnt playing jugg, executes damage isnt that high and ww spends more rage to get wb back faster while also resetting op

[exotic kestrel]

Well that sounds like a good reason, i expected there to be one but didnt just wanna mindlessly copy

[proud plover]

wb and bs if he playing bs build

[exotic kestrel]

yeh

[sacred zodiac]

should still be pressing execute

[proud plover]

spend more rage = hurricane lines up with 1m roar

[daring heron]

dat correc

[sacred zodiac]

okay but you still want to press execute

it spends rage more efficiently and refunds some

[proud plover]

damn and here i was inventing a valid reason

[sacred zodiac]

and you need to actually be afk for bladestorm to not line up with roar somewhat

[exotic kestrel]

damn i believed

[sacred zodiac]

me when i spread misinformation on the internet

[daring heron]

actually i remember doing something stupid with tom on raz cause it was just 2 gcds for tom fatality or somethjng

so umless you looked at specifically that it was a fatfinger

[sacred zodiac]

cant wait to slam to delay fatality

[exotic kestrel]

nah just watched part of ur stream, the 18 neltharus

You pretty consistently pressed WW in exe there unless im just giga blind

[sacred zodiac]

link

and timestamp ideally

[halcyon breach]

I will link you multiple vods and let you figure it out

[proud plover]

reminder that i invented a valid reason so one doesnt have to admit to fat fingered ww

[exotic kestrel]

thanks, i will use this

[sacred zodiac]

man at least get the reasons right tho if you're dead set on spreading misinformation

execute already guarantees an op reset

[proud plover]

ww spends more rage to bring cs and bstorm back faster while also resetting op

by 1 second

[sacred zodiac]

me when i need cs back 0.5 seconds earlier

[exotic kestrel]

if its just critcake being an actual human instead of robot its fine 🙂

[boreal quartz]

Paw simmed it in s3 and it wasnt worth

Fwiw

[sacred zodiac]

probs will be on raszageth

[boreal quartz]

Ye defo

I do it rarely

But not more than like 5 secs of CS left

Feels ass otherwise

[sacred zodiac]

ya but if u lust 35% anyways

[boreal quartz]

If u lust 35 ur gonna slam a lot

Xdd

Execute to 31 into ww tc ms

[quasi torrent]

i can defo see it being worth on rasz or smolder for dmg amps

[boreal quartz]

Idk

[quasi torrent]

if u hold for like a few seconds

[boreal quartz]

Requires you to have eyes

Thus generally not something everyone should do

[sacred zodiac]

if u play arms and cant see boss % <30 u need help

[lone imp]

Help

[boreal quartz]

Once execute button glows it's go time

[lone imp]

This is me

[somber lance]

Do we run uproar on rasz

[boreal quartz]

For padding or what

[somber lance]

and improved ss

[boreal quartz]

Imp ss hell nah

Soa does more in i1 psure

[somber lance]

yeah just tryna do more damage than anyone else in my guild tbh

[halcyon breach]

Imp SS is NOT gonna be the play on Rasza

You spend so much time ST'ing

[sacred zodiac]

if you run imp ss i will gkick you

[halcyon breach]

And you still gain from SoA in AoE

[sacred zodiac]

thats right

im your gm

[austere willow]

how come I'm seeing puzzlebox being so much worse than fragment? I thought puzzlebox was absolute bis? Dungeon slice sim.

[boreal quartz]

Prolly cleave 1 min roar then

[lone imp]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-phillips-boat-hijack-im-the-captain-now-barkhad-look-at-me-gif-4242563

[boreal quartz]

Padfreak

[halcyon breach]

Don't use Dungeon Slice sims for trinket sims

[boreal quartz]

Cuz its not absolute bis

[halcyon breach]

In practice, Puzzle is better

[boreal quartz]

Nor is fragment

[sacred zodiac]

dslisce is unreliable for trinket results

[halcyon breach]

If you talk back to me once more, I will time you out for 1 pico second

[boreal quartz]

Favors burst

Fragment is more burst

[sacred zodiac]

what is aboslute bis then noob

i dont think anyone is unequipping pbox for anything

[boreal quartz]

Boon and raidhorn to keep yourself safe

[austere willow]

this would be pure ST on patchwerk

[sacred zodiac]

i used raid horn a few days ago for the first time

[boreal quartz]

[sacred zodiac]

i did not know it did that

[austere willow]

A 0.3 change for a cast. I was under the impression that puzzlebox would blow fragment out of the water.

[sacred zodiac]

i mean you're free to use irideus if the channel is a dealbreaker

[boreal quartz]

It's almost 1k

[halcyon breach]

A cast that is hasted, and you can pre-cast

[boreal quartz]

That's good

[sacred zodiac]

if you want to be optimal you're not getting away from puzzle box

[lone imp]

puzzy b too strong

[boreal quartz]

Remember u cant macro fragment to Avatar

But have to pop after manually

Or ur throwing

[austere willow]

I mean you can, can't you?

It just doesn'

doesn't line up.

[proud plover]

pb has its own gcd now

[austere willow]

I mean fragment+avatar

[proud plover]

frag and ava can be macroeed yes

[boreal quartz]

Well u dont wanna use it insta after since ur tryna amp bs iirc

And then the soa sweep after

But i havent Inhaled fragment apl

[austere willow]

That's a fair point.

So is puzzlebox used literally everywhere because we've not gotten the third bullion?

[halcyon breach]

Not in raid

[proud plover]

fuk bs, send it all in same macro

[halcyon breach]

But in M+ it's used everywhere

[boreal quartz]

Naur

[halcyon breach]

Puzzle box however is still very good for short raid fights

[boreal quartz]

Crit ur beacon bozo

[halcyon breach]

What beacon

[austere willow]

I'm looking at most boss fights for arms warrior and the #1 trinket is puzzlebox

[boreal quartz]

(Box better)

[halcyon breach]

That's either because they haven't gotten a better 2nd option, or the fights are so short that Puzzle would beat a passive trinket they have

[clever crag]

Whats better option then

The “bis” trinket is 4m> longer fights

[halcyon breach]

The technically best setup you otherwise could have, would be something like Icon + OCE with buffs

[proud plover]

find a guild that takes 8 mins to kill a boss and 7 dps go afk for you in execute phasee

[halcyon breach]

But that's very unrealistic in a lot of scenarios unless your guild is very lucky

[austere willow]

But is the difference for fragment/puzzlebox somewhat accurate at being .3 or .5ish?

[halcyon breach]

For pure ST? Sure

[austere willow]

for m+?

[halcyon breach]

No

Putting numbers to M+ trinket setups is finicky, because there are a lot of variables to consider

It's something people figure out from intuition and just playing with different setups to see what works best

[proud plover]

idk about that tbh - 20% mastery on use for 30 secs vs 30k+ str inside hurricane buff - pb is going to win in any m+ where trash livs longer than like 10 seconds

[halcyon breach]

Both Irideus and Puzzle are good M+ on-use options, Puzzle however is just better because it's always consistent, and lasts your entire CD window

[clever crag]

I like puzzle, the numbers are big in aoe

Big=good

[halcyon breach]

And if you're doing key levels where mobs last half your CD window it doesn't matter what trinkets you use

[proud plover]

^

[clever crag]

Been blowing geared DHs,BM, rets out the water on 502 ilvl puzzle+icon is sexy

[old hare]

):

[clever crag]

O o f

[boreal quartz]

2 Gold per dps

[sacred zodiac]

crazy value no

[halcyon breach]

Give me all your gold I need to do more damage

[sacred zodiac]

you owe me 200k gold

[halcyon breach]

You still owe me 548k gold

[proud plover]

im going to meme with enduring dreadplate in m+ tho, damage reduction for 15 secs then explode for damage higher than any other trinket

[halcyon breach]

Actually to be precise, you owe me 1355180 gold

Coincidentally the exact amount that 4 wow tokens cost

[sacred zodiac]

this is wrong and false

[halcyon breach]

I have never lied

[deft seal]

Just got Augury myth track. Do I have to roll fury now to capitalize? 😭

[proud plover]

nope

[clever crag]

Yea

Go int with fury

Or play it on small pack keys

[somber lance]

You will still do less damage than arms, even with that trinket 🙂

[deft seal]

Gonna be an augury gamer Arms then 🤷‍♀️

[lost kernel]

Augury is hidden bis!

[verbal ravine]

arms 4 life

[deft seal]

Jugger-arms 4 life

[woeful kestrel]

Hey there. Currently my gear looks like this. Was lucky to get OCS out of myth raid. i wonder now how to spent my Buillon tomorrow 😮 is it worth to go Icon + ONS or should i keep irideus/farm puzzle and purchase Diurna Ring? Mainly asking for m+ Content. Also thought about buying Neltharions Call as Second trinket. Pls heeeelp 😄 😦

[naive sage]

Can you send the damage breakdown if you’re doing that? And tag me pls

[naive sage]

Augury is bis if you have gambling addiction

[proud plover]

i will be able to send a damage breakdown of a prot pally who just bought it (still waiting on him to log in for last keys befor reset) but it will be 3 weeks beefore i can buy it with bullion, unleess i loot it in raid next weeek

[exotic kestrel]

if ur main focus is m+ go for puzzle and buy diurna im pretty sure

[proud plover]

i tank as much as i play arms so best of both worlds for m+

[exotic kestrel]

while neltharions is a good trinket, its also rng and increased dmg taken could be dangerous in higher keys

[brisk slate]

I took dreadplate from my first vault, since the rest was garbage and I tried to aim for a shield for prot.

It's decent enough if the beams go where the mobs are. Managed to shoot them outta my arse into nirvana a few times.

[naive sage]

Rip

[halcyon breach]

Farm Puzzle + buy Broodkeeper ring

[naive sage]

The voices in my head are telling me to buy it tomorrow

[deft seal]

Sark cloak is also buyable though 😎

[proud plover]

sark cloak is a tiny dps up for a big stam loss tho, last thing to buy imo

[lone imp]

I ain't doing cloak personally

Make my job harder to keep bsl up

[sacred zodiac]

makes it quite literally easier to keep up

[lone imp]

Not sure that’s how the math works but alright lol

The less health you have, the larger percentage of your health x damage does

[sacred zodiac]

usually if a hit gets you under 90% having a bit less hp wouldnt make a difference to going under 90% hp

but healers have to heal less holy moly !!!

it makes no difference to bsl realistically

[lone imp]

Yeah imma reject that tbh

[boreal quartz]

Wrong!

[lone imp]

[boreal quartz]

Spnogi is right

[frigid lava]

I feel like im in a lot of contents that does fuck ton aoe

not confident in BSL

[sacred zodiac]

you are under 90% hp consistently enough to have <40% bsl uptime?

maybe stand in fire less

[frigid lava]

I usually come out as "lowest damage taken" but... I don't think my uptime would be high enough.

but then some dungeons I could totally see the benefit.

[uncut tangle]

BSL outsims most things at 40% uptime

[sacred zodiac]

i played bsl in fyrakk and smolderon which are probably the worst offenders for staying under 90% hp and i still came out with >40% bsl uptime

if bsl uptime is that much of a concern to you then you need to start buying rageheart and other tank trinkets because you are standing in fire

[frigid lava]

I'm pretty good at managing damage taken... usually at the lowest.

[sacred zodiac]

then play bsl

[uncut tangle]

• if your that worried throw spell reflect before you expect damage, throw ignore pain too

[lone imp]

I reckon we playing with different healers lol

[sacred zodiac]

ok you should be doing this anyways

[opal folio]

I wonder if we made a mistake skipping it season 1

[frigid lava]

passive aggressive

[gray herald]

taking less damage = good
taking less damage with bsl = gooder

[sacred zodiac]

lariat was crazy overtuned iirc

i dont remember what the second embellishment we had was

[uncut tangle]

Probably due to not having alot of crit/haste and lariat overtuning.

[opal folio]

Shadowflame

[lone imp]

sfp

[woven wasp]

vers wrists

[uncut tangle]

Vers bracers, SF was s2

[somber lance]

We had vers season 1

[sacred zodiac]

a ye vers wrists + lariat

[opal folio]

Ah yeah

[sacred zodiac]

i mean you couldve ran bsl instead of vers wrists

[somber lance]

Lariat was turbo bis

[lone imp]

Was it s2 where sfp got buffed or something

and then they buffed belt or some shit

[sacred zodiac]

sfp wasnt a thing until s2 iirc

[woven wasp]

shadowflame patch didnt exist until 10.1

[gray herald]

it got invented in s2

yes

[sacred zodiac]

but also you dont really want bsl on prog you want it on reclears

s4 is clown reclear season so

[spiral ridge]

As im looking at the logs i see most warriors running OCE and puzzle box. I dont have oce yet. I have a mythic branch of tormented ancient which sims higher than my puzzle box. Is it safe to assume the oce adds more value to the puzzle box? No one seems to be using the branch

[halcyon breach]

OCE does not add more value to Puzzle box, and Branch is just an okay trinket but you have better alternatives than using it

A lot of people as well use Puzzle in raid, because it's the best option they have available, on top of it just being really good, especially so for short fights

[naive breach]

reject the box, embrace the fragment

[somber lance]

I won’t have to farm box since it will be in my vault tomorrow

[clever crag]

Box bis

What key gives myth track in vault btw

[halcyon breach]

8 and above

[clever crag]

Nice

Maxxed out puzzle tommorow 100%

[somber lance]

Farming 7/8 is death considering they give no score

And this week its afflicted

im gonna stare at lfg again

[hazy flower]

Biggest problem is people are applying to av, maybe ruby, maybe aa

Rest of the keys

Are dead

So if you ever get one of them

[verbal ravine]

i got a box yesterday 😄

[hazy flower]

Youre stuck

[verbal ravine]

hunter hooked me up

[clever crag]

I got hero track yday also

[fossil thistle]

Yea man fragment is sooooo much better like the strength it provides and everything like not having to cast you just use it like omg so much better
cries in copium as puzzle box never drops

[fossil thistle]

I had an 11AA I couldn’t fill for 2hr yesterday, so Idk

[naive sage]

If I had to take a guess I’d say it would do something like 4% for us

Which would not be bad at all

[proud plover]

true uncapped aoe tho

we about to run a 5 aa to see what it does in tree boss

[opaque citrus]

It is not

It is hard capped at 5 targets

[proud plover]

ALL enemies

[opaque citrus]

I really hope you didn’t already spend bullions on that lmao

Because you’re gonna do AA and see 5 hits on the tree pull and feel dumb

Well, 25 hits. Assuming all 5 plates hit

[gray herald]

oh no

the tooltip bait

[opaque citrus]

The classic blunder

[frigid lava]

mouse click feels weird sometimes... is it just me

[gray herald]

have you been using it in keys?

[opaque citrus]

It’s not bad by any means

But it’s not the uncapped god machine he thinks it is

[gray herald]

no it does great damage on 5 targets no denying that

[hazy flower]

I meant 8-10, obviously. Anything higher than that is people pushing usually and not many people are pushing those key levels

so it's bound to be dead

[clever crag]

Whats like a BIG overall on AA no aug ?

[supple jacinth]

Heya, just a question. Would getting the legendary from LFR only be something I can count on and if not, would it be worth playing arms or fury for keys without it? In case they're balanced around having it.

[clever crag]

Critcake plays with aug all the time and idk any other warrs streaming keys

[clever crag]

Can play arms with Ashkandur no problem in keys

The dps is huge

[sacred zodiac]

you're not gonna get it from LFR realistically

you'll certainly be fine for +10 vault keys and you can probably push relatively high keys you just won't be able to compete in pinnacle stuff

[supple jacinth]

Oh cool, thanks. Will try that then

[supple jacinth]

Thats a shame, kinda wish they'd just allow people to get it at this point. But will try anyways then, is not gonna aim for pinnacle stuff, just wouldn't really enjoy being 10% behind what I could be doing with it. Would rather play something without that crutch if the difference was that big.

[rapid bronze]

didn't we also do frostfire legs on fort weeks?

[frigid lava]

I used to play frostfire legs as fury in some dungeons.

like... NO

[sacred zodiac]

i mean it was alright but i think you were better off playing versa bracers

dunno ask someone that actually cares about m+

[proud plover]

no my co tank just bought it and we messin abouty with it, i was looking at buying it in 3 weks with bullion for when i tank keys and wanted to see if and how it did damage

[austere willow]

what's the best way to sim trinkets in m+? I presume just sim a prolonged fight with multiple enemies? Like patchwerk, 1:30/2 minutes for 5-10 "bosses"? Trying to see whether puzzlebox is actually better than fragment.

[somber lance]

This is why it’s been tough then…. Feels harder than older seasons. People just don’t wanna play old content idk….

I have to settle for subpar groups

[somber lance]

Like 800k no aug i would say

Jeventes and Bizentein are also good players that stream arms

but everyone plays fury too

[honest zenith]

what trinkets are we ment to run? it sims diffrent everytime i check and bloodmallet has changed what buffs you should use

[sacred zodiac]

just run pbox + whatever you have

[opaque citrus]

Almost like they should’ve made all the df dungeons s1

Instead of starting off the xpac with fucking court of stars

[austere willow]

I'm trying to find any advantages to pbox. Every single sim I'm doing is telling me to run frag other than single target which is a very marginal gain. That's why I'm wondering maybe I should be simming differently.

[honest zenith]

bloodmallet says OCE and signetbrand, but todays sims suddenly told me anvil is a bigger upgrade then OCE with all buffs

[sacred zodiac]

i mean i dont have the time or effort to look into why irideus would or could sim higher, most competent warriors are running some sort of pbox + passive trinket ocmbo in higher m+ keys because its just better

[austere willow]

I mean I'm moving onto 15s and I see everyone in just a mix of OCE/Pbox so was just curious where could I find the data far it.

[sacred zodiac]

it just ends up being extremely good for m+, its hard to impossible to set up a realistic sim for m+ content

[torpid yew]

is it good even in pugs?

OCE^

[sacred zodiac]

probably not

hard to find something better than it though

[halcyon breach]

It's good but I'd argue Pips is the best option for pug content

Since you can't ever guarantee other people having either Icon or OCE

[sacred zodiac]

banezi i find it suspicious that you are shilling the trinket you have purchased twice with 4 bullions to be "best" ?

[halcyon breach]

As the weeks go by though, it'll change

Only twice?

I have made at least 5 warrior alts and bought it two times on all of them

[sacred zodiac]

this is fucked up!!!

[torpid yew]

maybe I should just buy fire ring until changes then?

[halcyon breach]

Yes, Eranog ring is higher prio

Generally

[torpid yew]

thanks

[sacred zodiac]

if you raid at all oce is still extremely good

[feral geyser]

oce only sims well if everyone has the buffs, otherwise it sims worse than the trampling hooves trinket

[frigid lava]

oh... maintenance hour

[feral geyser]

also, when you sim whispering do you set it to DPS or none if you are the one with it?

[gray herald]

I believe they are the same if you are in a dps spec

or maybe im stupid

and wrong

[glad echo]

Is augury any good for arms in m+? Can’t see it on the guides

[gray steeple]

There's your answer. Check bloodmallet for where it really sits

[strange perch]

As if blizzard has been caring about multiplayer aspect of the game in a long time

[sacred zodiac]

elaborate please

[olive nest]

The best items in the game require multiplayer

But they haven’t been focusing on that right

[astral yarrow]

[weary hull]

anyone know what better first trinket OCE or Singet

[tiny dock]

double bsl is only a 500 dps upgrade on the sim for me, if I replace my lariat

am i doing something wrong

[obsidian topaz]

No way I’m buying signet since I already have anvil

[frigid lava]

Spongie is going to say you are wrong

[obsidian topaz]

Think I might go augury for fury keys

[gray steeple]

Signet needs long fights to be good. OCE needs a big group to be good.

[sacred zodiac]

probably oce, most of the fights aren't long enough to stack up signet

[weary hull]

thnx man

[sacred zodiac]

you are wrong

[obsidian topaz]

For the longer fights anvil will have to replace signet but I’m not buying signet for it to sit in my bags like last tier

[proud plover]

i mean signet is same conditions as anvil but completely passive - where one is good both are and if ya already playing the 'dont let stacks drop game' might as well have both right

[sacred zodiac]

signet's just better than anvil no

[feral geyser]

why don't you guys just sim the trinkets to see what is the best to use with your char?

[obsidian topaz]

You can probably macro anvil to CS or something if you’re that worried about it

[proud plover]

macro to ms

archi made the perfect macro for it

[clever crag]

Macro to everything

[sacred zodiac]

tbf these are the very specific trinkets where just plugging them into a sim will not tell the whole story

[gray steeple]

Simming for multiple fight times and different group comps too much for this season.

[obsidian topaz]

Because sims aren’t reality. The reality is how many people are going to have OCE or Icon in your pug groups. How many fights will actually be over 5 minutes for signet

[feral geyser]

run a sim for a 3min/4/5 fight?

[obsidian topaz]

It’s very important to sim but also to think about what they are telling you

[clever crag]

Fury has it easier

Go augury its ultra mega bis

[old urchin]

Three others in my raid got OCE also so it was an easy pickup for me.

[obsidian topaz]

Yup and for 3T and 5T 1m30 and dSlice and they are all going to give you different answers. Which is why we’re talking about it lol

[obsidian topaz]

How many people need to have it for it to be BiS?

[proud plover]

dont forget a 9 min sim

for end raid bosses

[obsidian topaz]

Nah 9 min just take anvil or signet

[sacred zodiac]

its not insanely obvious that signet has rough time thresholds where its not worth bringing over other choices and oce is not incredibly obvious in how it scales with other ppl having it

[old urchin]

I’d have to refer back to the spreadsheet but 4 buffs was very high up there lol.

[proud plover]

all of them

you need someone to be obsid (all stats) bitch to make it work and hope that isnt you

[old urchin]

I’m lazy though. I like passive set it and forget it. If it means I lose out on 5k dps ST then I’m ok with it.

[feral geyser]

the problem with OCE sims is that it is all or nothing, with none is sims well behind hooves trinket. and the people i current play with i see no more than 2 of them using the trinket

[sacred zodiac]

new bullion today/tmrw should change that shrug

[old urchin]

I like the idea of Anvil and Macro with MS though

[sacred zodiac]

ideally you press it yourself but sure

[gray steeple]

I think I'm just going to get the shield ring with today's bullion and be done with rings this season.

[proud plover]

#showtooltip Mortal Strike
/castsequence reset=0.7 Mortal Strike, Elementium Pocket Anvil

[old urchin]

Ayyy appreciate it!

I’m happy I can finish raid trinkets this week and then focus on M+ stuff.

[sacred zodiac]

wait do you have anvil or are you planning to buy it

[old urchin]

Planning to buy it when reset happens

[sacred zodiac]

why not signet

[proud plover]

whats the weekly? pretty sure tw weekly should also give 2x bullion right?

[gray steeple]

Last TW gave an item not bullion

[old urchin]

I don’t think so. Last TW there wasn’t a two bullion quest.

[sacred zodiac]

signet is like +2k over anvil for me, its actually passive and has a chance to highroll

[proud plover]

last tw was raid cache

[sacred zodiac]

buying anvil is like full troll no

[dense vector]

whats the best trinket to bullion if i wont be playing with reliable groups to use things like icon?

[sacred zodiac]

how high keys are you planning to push

[old urchin]

I’ll give it a sim before I do anything. It’s gonna be either one.

[burnt quiver]

While on trinket topic for somebody who only does mythic plus what two trinkets would be best for that ?

[sacred zodiac]

if its just weekly 10s call to chaos is fine

[dense vector]

not crazy high maybe 15 at highest

class trinket good? or just on aoe?

[sacred zodiac]

its good for both but it makes you take 5% more damage while it procs

otherwise just go pips if you dont see yourself lining up OCE or icon ever and dont want to take 5% extra damage

[dense vector]

yea I was thinking pips

are raids all open this week or on rotation with vault again?

[halcyon breach]

Another rotation

[dense vector]

oof