each week
#arms
rare kite
fossil pecan
why TC on a ST fight?
sudden crest
for w/e affixes?
rare kite
yes
fossil pecan
CPM ?
rare kite
Y'all doubt the power of juggerfob
yes
zinc dirge
I posted my log as well (one where I didn't die...) and my DPS is just ass tbh could anyone take a looksie please?
sacred zodiac
crazy opener
execute is also not very good either
you should probably look into correct cd usage and the basic rotation also seems somewhat faulty
zinc dirge
Ok cheers I'll have another look, I guess hekili really didn't help me at all then haha
outer holly
Ok cheers I'll have another look, I guess hekili really didn't help me at all th...
So again, your CPM is quite low and this exemplifies why hekili as a crutch can be a negative thing
teal fossil
I can probably parse a 5 pressing heroic throw proccing the leggo
zinc dirge
Will Icyveins/wowhead be up to date on rotation?
outer holly
You don't know what to press until the addon says so, then you have to press the button you probably don't have the muscle memory for and it just leads to delays
wary raft
Will Icyveins/wowhead be up to date on rotation?
ya, theres link in the pins of this channel too
minor gust
I can probably parse a 5 pressing heroic throw proccing the leggo
Throw spec warrior only press heroic throw and wrecking throw
zinc dirge
ya, theres link in the pins of this channel too
Cool cheers
teal fossil
You don't know what to press until the addon says so, then you have to press the...
That’s why the add on predicts 3 moves ahead
And there’s a gcd for a reason
outer holly
🆒
opaque summit
does aoe fear remove dots from adds?
teal fossil
I don’t think they remove dots
But I can’t imagine existing dots will break fear
Else I aoe fear on Aff lock ramp
limber bear
did the server just shit the bed for anyone else?
sacred zodiac
how fucked would i be if i started that shit now
inner wasp
mildly
fallen fjord
I don't know what trinket to get, considering I want one which covers both prot and arms
Maybe signet brand but it won't be useful in every M+ or raid encounter so idk
sacred zodiac
signet brand only really matters on final and penultimate bosses and it is ass in m+
(its good you just gotta maintain it which sucks)
teal fossil
Get a stat stick and move on
paper heath
Hello, i change from furry to arms. What to do durnign single target if i ran out of rage? slam? or just AA?
inner wasp
furry warrior..
hard cedar
maybe is vulpera
copper summit
is this true?? u can spell reflect the debuff chronos gives u in ulda ?
sacred zodiac
ye
copper summit
... ugh i didnt know that
sacred zodiac
time sink specifically
@north junco knows specifics i have no idea what timing you need to SR at to reflect it in the first "rotation" of abilities before reverse time
(can you tell me i wanna know i remember you said this in like s1 or s2)
on the second loop onwards you can just SR before every wing sweep and it'll hit reverse time + dr the sweep
north junco
reflect instantly on pull and then when it's off cooldown
copper summit
im watching critcakes recet video that he released and he said as soon the tank pulls u instant push the button and as soon each intermission ends u SR 4sec before it ends
north junco
after rewind reflect when time sink has ~4 seconds left on dbm/bw timer
and then when it's off cooldown again
and keep doing that
also wtf making me talk in arms
copper summit
lol
sacred zodiac
get baited
copper summit
thank yall this helps me out... anything else im missing? lol
sacred zodiac
thank you silm ya similarin ya similar ya similarien change your name ya similaor
north junco
ya similarin ya similar ya similarien change your name ya similaor
sacred zodiac
noob rolled
manic stirrup
how do i get declined for a SCROLL FARMING group
me when i got declined from a group i accidentally applied to for a key i did literally 2 hours ago
getting declined from shot youve already done literally that same day is crazy
wary raft
reflect instantly on pull and then when it's off cooldown
I could be wrong, but I thought 2nd reflect not up in time for 2nd debuff (specific to on pull) and should hold until 2nd knock where u can press for knock and have to reflect the thingy
ill yoink a log rq
void kestrel
yo quick question, bladestorm in single target when using hurricane in keys? yes or no?
wary raft
I could be wrong, but I thought 2nd reflect not up in time for 2nd debuff (speci...
im wrong looking at a log its possible what hes saying but its super tight
wary raft
yo quick question, bladestorm in single target when using hurricane in keys? yes...
ya u send it before other cds in single target so charge -> tclap -> roar/ava -> bladestorm -> warbreaker -> single target prio
north junco
I could be wrong, but I thought 2nd reflect not up in time for 2nd debuff (speci...
the timings i gave let you reflect every debuff
north junco
yeah that's why you have to do it instantly on pull
wary raft
yeah I have the habit of waiting closer to the timer bc I dont trust them to be exact
which is why I couldnt but on the rest its completely fine
inner wasp
theres a debuff?
wary raft
ya, time sink
magic dispel, dot that he puts on 3 ppl per application (I think) and when it gets removed it drops a brown swirlie
opaque citrus
Yeah a reflect can cover a wing buffet and a time sink maybe every time. Or at least most of he time
Warrior is cracked on that boss, at least defensively
stiff jay
wtf this hot redhead keep calling me champion
opal folio
🧎♂️
fossil thistle
inner wasp
wtf this hot redhead keep calling me champion
wife
errant bough
wtf this hot redhead keep calling me champion
I wished her a happy mommy sorry mommy sorry mommy sorry.. happy mommy day
hazy flower
Yeah a reflect can cover a wing buffet and a time sink maybe every time. Or at l...
outside of first 2, every time
you shouldn't get a single sink debuff unless you fuck up
the only one you can get is the 2nd one
wary needle
does arms get more fun in raid when you understand what youre doing or is it just as bad as it feels like coming from playing fury?
literally underperforming so badly im ashamed of looking at my logs
outer holly
Considering arms dunks on fury in raid
if that's a factor of your enjoyment with practice you can really pump
wary needle
thanks for encouragement!!! im going to analyse my logs tomorrow, i was 90k-100k dps under the other arms that have played it much more despite being about same ilvl but my gear worse
fossil thistle
when fury tries arms
rancid knot
ST arms is not hard to play
cloud lagoon
wtf this hot redhead keep calling me champion
If you spam her she asks you: “Do you think I have big mom energy”
dense vector
how do we deal with TR being a 1 min cd? just send on cd and only have it align every 3 minutes?
paper summit
errr...what legs are you supposed to target farm for arms?
grand idol
Something with haste. you could slam a crafted leg too if its a quality upgrade.
paper summit
i think i looked, but nothing from M+ with hastee/crit?
grand idol
there might be, dunno
cloud lagoon
errr...what legs are you supposed to target farm for arms?
Idk I googled wowhead it says Nokud or Aberus legs.
Idk pretty sure those are up to date but I am not an expert just a silly little guy
But I assume it depends on your gear stats and sim
strange basalt
what is best to spend bullion on if you dont have lego yet?
strange basalt
what stats are people putting on crafted neck?
fickle nexus
whats the site called to see the most common usage of class cds?
fickle nexus
ty
dire hinge
in a perfect world you dont take Tier legs, but honeslty just sim as you go for now
hybrid ice
ok, just asking before i cata my shoulders. thnx
dire hinge
no problem! Grats on the drop!
dire hinge
what stats are people putting on crafted neck?
i have haste/mastery on mine, some have haste/vers. Recrafts are pretty cheap if you ever need to swap it out again
obsidian wave
So I know puzzle box is extremely good for us rn but my sim is telling me I want to use my augury+signet. Is that because it's valuing the crit? I know icyveins says Signet is our bis but everyone here has told me it's not good
hexed saddle
signet is good because it can highroll/gains value the longer fights last, but because of how much gear we're going to get and how many options we have for trinkets
its just not worth gambling usually
its not "bad" per se, it just takes more to be good than say Icon or OCE
same generally goes for augury too, its a very highroll-y trinket
all that said, 2.5k dps is <1%
if less consistency is worth that to you then go for it
silk spade
So I know puzzle box is extremely good for us rn but my sim is telling me I want...
how long is this sim
steep osprey
Same way
tired fox
Ah, so gotta raid
steep osprey
Do fyrakk hc
tired fox
Even if awakened?
steep osprey
The raids were nerfed across the board so I’d say yeah
But obviously the non awakened one is way easier
tired fox
Roger, guess I will try to eventuall;y
My warrior's quite alt status behind 2 other toons
OCE is good for keys?
steep osprey
It should be decent but obviously you’re gonna have harder time with getting all the buffs
tired fox
So what would be a good bullion purchase rn if not getting fyralath for probably a few weeks
Don't care about raid
steep osprey
You can get 2 purchases right now assuming you’ve done weekly quest
You can keep the second for legendary maybe
dire hinge
So what would be a good bullion purchase rn if not getting fyralath for probably...
This should be helpful, from our channel pins. It covers different content priorities for bullions
#arms message
smoky kayak
This version might be a little better expressed #updates-midnight message
tired fox
Ah, augury and call
dire hinge
Didn't do raid at all
bullion catch-ups are available from day-1, meaning you can run through a raid (including LFR) and get the missing ones if you have downtime
tired fox
I know, I just haven't
Like I said, it's very much an alt
And I only just finished weekly on one of my two mains
dire hinge
no worries there! Good luck in the gearing!
tired fox
Thanks
obsidian wave
how long is this sim
Whatever “default” is lol. What should it be?
obsidian wave
all that said, 2.5k dps is <1%
Ok good to know. So maybe I’ll continue using puzzle box because of the burst in m+
manic stirrup
signet brand tends to favor longer fights
not all bosses even last 5m which is the default
so if youre simming for like a 3:30 fight
the 5 minute sim will be innacurate
obsidian wave
Ok makes sense. So even with tyrannical week it’s prob not worth
strange perch
Arms pvp is goat
The feeling of chunky mortal strikes is better than dunkins blue berry donuts iced coffee
verbal marten
Ok makes sense. So even with tyrannical week it’s prob not worth
Eh depends tbh
On the dungeon
If u can keep up the stacks then its good
sacred anvil
The feeling of chunky mortal strikes is better than dunkins blue berry donuts ic...
and bladestorming a group of people bleeding them up with clap
paper summit
since our haste as arms is getting so high has anyone noticed any - what seems like - input lag when doing a rotation?
sacred anvil
since our haste as arms is getting so high has anyone noticed any - what seems l...
i feel a bit on execute
check ur latency too
paper summit
I started by disabeling ElvUI because it uses quite a bit of Interface memory. THat didnt seem to do anything. Then disabled all addons and reverted to blizzard UI. That didnt do anything either. Checked all my settings in graphics. I ended up putting everything really low. That dindt do anyhting either. So now im at learning about /console SpellQueueWindow 0-400. I think i understand.
default is 400. From the video im watching i think thats really high. It can cause you to "queue" buttons in your rotation that you pressed at one point, but in a second or less later y ou changed your mind and pressed something else.
vernal pilot
Is Puzzle Box + (Awakened) Call to Chaos a good pairing for M+?
Cause it claims a 535 Call to Chaos is about a 10k dps increase for me rn
grand idol
default is 400. From the video im watching i think thats really high. It can c...
If you feel like you are getting locked into attacks then the spell queue system might be the culprit.
grand idol
i feel a bit on execute
if I'm understanding correctly what Critcake said on stream execute with massacre doesn't actually do anything until the attack lands. Which also means it can fizzle, eating your global, if in the split second the mob leaves your range or you become cc'ed etc.
So its late hit might be what you're feeling.
dire hinge
yeah it hits at the end of your gcd, to align with the big swing animation
makes things real goofy sometimes 😦
sacred anvil
if I'm understanding correctly what Critcake said on stream execute with massacr...
weird but cool to know thanks
grand idol
Losing globals on fizzled executes can be annoying.
ornate eagle
I hate massacre getting the condemn animation for that reason
It can actually cause you to dps because of its animation
Let that sink in
wicked aurora
@dire hinge just a heads up for some reason I can't get your WA to work, pedro lust works fine though
Probably something wrong on my end
dire hinge
it's coded to only work if you're targeting a boss, you're in execute range, and both Lust and Power Infusion are active on your character
At Some Point™️ I'll move some of those combinations to Custom Options, but in the meantime you can just delete any Triggers/Conditions you dont want and just have it trigger on Lust instead if you want
wicked aurora
ah so all conditions need to be met?
dire hinge
by default yeah
wicked aurora
I removed lust but I'll fuck with it more tomorrow
getting gear diffed hard man 😦
sim at 376k lmao
young axle
wicked aurora
idk kinda torn on what to buy on Tuesday
wicked aurora
although I'll probably buy signet
with how DPS for my group has been the last two weeks I'll be getting good value out of signet
proud plover
what is this secret weak aura tech
proud plover
it's coded to only work if you're targeting a boss, you're in execute range, and...
^
dire hinge
oh it's just a stupid one
plays the "e x e c u t e" meme music if the conditions get met
40 seconds of goku screaming at you
civic isle
Hard bis
dire hinge
i forgot i had it and the conditions were met on fyrakk while i was listening to other music and it was really jarring with two different BPMs going 💀
thick kelp
40 seconds of goku screaming at you
holy where did u post this aura
dire hinge
thick kelp
proud plover
giving the gift of a weak aura to my guildies that play warrior alts!
slim hazel
guys do you have any WA for Spell Reflect ?
proud plover
yep
slim hazel
https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg
i have it but i think its not work : ((
0 time i see it on my screen
proud plover
i have it but i think its not work : ((
loads inside dungeons
and the announcer weak aura (posts in /say what you reflected) is this
proud plover
yeah first one tells you what can be reeflected if its targeting you, ther second one works on its own as an announcer
if you want to deep dive the info the first one has, check the pins and look for Sense spell reflect spreadsheet, it lists every spell in df content that can be reflected/blocks etc
faint granite
should I use slam in ST? over TC if i don't have to apply rend?
proud plover
should I use slam in ST? over TC if i don't have to apply rend?
nah tc spends more rage for cdr on cs and bigger tom buffing - only use slam of both tc and ww are on cd (very rare to happen)
faint granite
I logs i see a lot of ppl playing Crushing Force x2 is that normal?
is that rlly usefull i seems like I never need to use slam
and do we need to use WW 2x while CS?
for max rage spending or not?
cinder dove
Maybe you are looking at ST build for raids
faint granite
I'm talking for raid ofc
still fox
when i sim trinkets, is the sim from icon with other players or solo playing?
still fox
rly?
still fox
merci 🙂
faint granite
derien
proud plover
I logs i see a lot of ppl playing Crushing Force x2 is that normal?
its the tiniest bit of st damage for that 1-2 slam casts over 5 mins, can use those 2 points ion utility without it being a dps loss tho, leap cdr and pain n gain
proud plover
and do we need to use WW 2x while CS?
yes when you can but not at the cost of a ms tho
faint granite
okk butr priority over op and tc?
rotund hemlock
is arms pi correctly optimized or is it default 2 min?
mint delta
weird thing this weeks raid bullion doesnt drop for me in lfr, got the 2 already from quest <.<
exotic kestrel
rng'd got it on my first boss
halcyon breach
is arms pi correctly optimized or is it default 2 min?
It's optimised
On pull after Legendary as you go into avatar, at 2 min, at last avatar in execute
exotic kestrel
is it worth fishing for MS crit before Leggo on pull? would be charge => TC => auto => MS => leggo
halcyon breach
Yes, you'd ms before lego
In raid tho it'd be
Charge - Ms - lego - ava + roar - Cs - Ms - tc - ww - and so on
exotic kestrel
ahh oke so we dont TC before leggo anymore
was wondering coz it felt very clunky having to wait for a AA swing on pull
halcyon breach
Doesn't matter that much honestly which way you do your opener as arms
As long as you get your cds out
exotic kestrel
Nice
halcyon breach
The above is just the small min/max version
errant bough
God I hate min/maxers
halcyon breach
Hating yourself is a bit messed up
silk spade
hate binezi he bullied me..
errant bough
anti banezi gang
exotic kestrel
Min maxers are Pog
untill u come in to demon territory
i hate myself for having to optimize fragment on big aoe pulls
fading sage
I’m not expecting anything well thought out but I feel like I’m sandbagging with my mythic parses… the ilvl range is 517-520 (dead on council)
wet jasper
Hi, hope you're all well. I'm new to Arms. When do I bladestorm? After Sweeping Strike falls off?
exotic kestrel
Hi, hope you're all well. I'm new to Arms. When do I bladestorm? After Sweeping ...
never during Sweeping thats for sure
manic stirrup
Hi, hope you're all well. I'm new to Arms. When do I bladestorm? After Sweeping ...
use it before you use sweeping strikes
exotic kestrel
not counting other cds on aoe its => CS => BS => SS
tired furnace
wet jasper
So in an opener you start off with Bladestorm then or only before your second sweeping strike?
manic stirrup
I'm a DK but I figured this would fit Warriors better https://cdn.discordapp.com...
my music was so loud and discord was so low i didnt hear anything at first lol
tired furnace
😂
quasi torrent
Hating yourself is a bit messed up
no
exotic kestrel
So in an opener you start off with Bladestorm then or only before your second sw...
wdym second sweeping strike
naive sage
So in an opener you start off with Bladestorm then or only before your second sw...
Thunder clap first to apply rend, then roar, then bladestorm, then SS with normal rotation, but opening is not that important, it’s just minute optimization
wet jasper
not counting other cds on aoe its => CS => BS => SS
Like if the fight lasts long enough to use Sweeping Strike again?
quasi torrent
Thunder clap first to apply rend, then roar, then bladestorm, then SS with norma...
bro is not proccing 4set
exotic kestrel
Then usally u get SS backup before BS
wet jasper
Thunder clap first to apply rend, then roar, then bladestorm, then SS with norma...
Oh wow, I've been holding onto my BS this whole time not sure where to use it
exotic kestrel
disregarding Ava and Roar to make it easier, u wanna charge => cleave => TC => Warbreaker => BS => Sweeping
or TC => cleave
wet jasper
So you cleave in the opener, disregarding the 2x stacks of martial prowess?
naive sage
bro is not proccing 4set
So what? Unless mobs aren’t living long I don’t see why you won’t want your dots rolling asap
somber lance
I make a macro with every single cooldown and leggo and just smash it repeatedly on pull
quasi torrent
if the mobs arent living for roars duration
u dont need any sort of optimum
if they are, well, just press cleave
daring heron
4 set is 8% damage and 8% crit
exotic kestrel
So you cleave in the opener, disregarding the 2x stacks of martial prowess?
u want to proc your 4set for 8% damage
quasi torrent
4 set is 8% damage and 8% crit
its quite significant ye
daring heron
you definitely want that when you pop cds
somber lance
So what? Unless mobs aren’t living long I don’t see why you won’t want your dots...
You get dmge increase on your bs and dots if you proc before going into bs
manic stirrup
i cant even count to 8, thats how you know its a big number
naive sage
So you cleave in the opener, disregarding the 2x stacks of martial prowess?
I have a personal opinion, I don’t use cleave unless there are >= 6 mobs and I have 2 MP procs, but someone could tell you differently
quasi torrent
i cant even count to 8, thats how you know its a big number
did someone cut one of your hands
manic stirrup
no im just stupid
quasi torrent
I have a personal opinion, I don’t use cleave unless there are >= 6 mobs and I h...
then please stop giving advice if its wrong
naive sage
You get dmge increase on your bs and dots if you proc before going into bs
Won’t you want your dmg increase on big abilities like ms and op?
quasi torrent
your personal opinion does not line up with reality
quasi torrent
Won’t you want your dmg increase on big abilities like ms and op?
you get both (???)
wet jasper
Oh wow, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks a mill! Been messing up my opener and general rotation this whole time.
naive sage
you get both (???)
If hurricane lasts 6 seconds why you would waste it on dots rather than ms and op
somber lance
Won’t you want your dmg increase on big abilities like ms and op?
You smash cleave before going into BS just for that 8%. As soon as you’re out of BS you WW and your rotation smashes cleave or MS anyways so your 4set will have uptime all the time
manic stirrup
as if they arent 40% of your overall (i made a number up)
exotic kestrel
If hurricane lasts 6 seconds why you would waste it on dots rather than ms and o...
TR is huge wdym
naive sage
You smash cleave before going into BS just for that 8%. As soon as you’re out of...
Good point but bs does low dmg
naive sage
TR is huge wdym
I use it first because dot doesn’t start its damage right away
quasi torrent
If hurricane lasts 6 seconds why you would waste it on dots rather than ms and o...
?? you app the dots beforehand??
somber lance
You dont lose anything from smashing cleave before BS and it also affects all your bleeds and dots you did before BS
naive sage
?? you app the dots beforehand??
That’s what I said genius
quasi torrent
Good point but bs does low dmg
the point is buffing your dots and bs while u spin
somber lance
the math aint mathin
manic stirrup
LMAOOO
naive sage
nah i cba talking to u
You can’t read like most people on this channel
manic stirrup
here we go
somber lance
Spezz just cleave before you BS just trust
manic stirrup
quasi torrent
just press cleave
wet jasper
😄
exotic kestrel
You can’t read like most people on this channel
I mean you are saying stuff thats very easily misunderstood. not realy a "cant read" angle
naive sage
I mean you are saying stuff thats very easily misunderstood. not realy a "cant r...
I said that I pop dots first and then use the abilities which increase the damage
How can this be misunderstood
quasi torrent
yes no one disagreed with that
people are just telling u to press cleave before BS (or WB, doesnt REALLY matter)
to apply 4set
naive sage
yes no one disagreed with that
Why the fuck are you arguing with me then
manic stirrup
LMAO
naive sage
people are just telling u to press cleave before BS (or WB, doesnt REALLY matter...
I did not say it’s wrong although if cleave doesn’t crit set doesn’t proc
manic stirrup
holy banger
somber lance
you always crit fam
wet jasper
xD
somber lance
It’s cleave
real flint
I have a personal opinion, I don’t use cleave unless there are >= 6 mobs and I h...
Because of this...
naive sage
Because of this...
I wasn’t talking about opener
quasi torrent
4 mobs 6.25% etc.
manic stirrup
okay so you get TURBO unlucky and dont crit on 6 mobs
just ff life at htat point
i would
somber lance
Will almost never happen anyways
manic stirrup
ok maybe not
real flint
I wasn’t talking about opener
But everyone else was
manic stirrup
but like
somber lance
just press cleave before BS and it’s free 8%
manic stirrup
just pres cleave get buff probably if u dont who cares do damage anyways
quasi torrent
okay so you get TURBO unlucky and dont crit on 6 mobs
(1/2)^6 = 1/64 < 0.5%
manic stirrup
idk what math meas
naive sage
But everyone else was
Ok my bad, I was talking about general usage
naive sage
Not the opener
quasi torrent
🙏
boreal quartz
Hosen btw @quasi torrent
quasi torrent
big fatal mark engaged
no hosen
it is hot
do not inspect the smolder log btw
i griefed extremely hard
quasi torrent
arms s3 logs are somehow more useless than week1 logs of this ssn
manic stirrup
love my s3 logs
boreal quartz
i griefed extremely hard
Only 8 mil fatal mark
wet jasper
Damn the DPS increase is nuts. Thanks guys
quasi torrent
Damn the DPS increase is nuts. Thanks guys
👑 blast more burst king
calm hollow
grats on LFR 
manic stirrup
is mythic season 3 but yeah
somber lance
Season 1 dmge grats
quasi torrent
jeeling
calm hollow
is mythic season 3 but yeah
jk 
manic stirrup
i think i was 1 of 1`
exotic kestrel
Damn the DPS increase is nuts. Thanks guys
wet jasper
<:Armsowns:857748787710787605>
😄
exotic kestrel
Arms gameplay is not hard, just as long as u understand some concepts 🙂
manic stirrup
gamba dn
boreal quartz
I gamba crits on EP MS
exotic kestrel
Idk man, i like the base idea of current arms, defo has its issues (rage econ cough)
somber lance
You cant gamba if u have 100% crit
wet jasper
Arms gameplay is not hard, just as long as u understand some concepts 🙂
It's a lot easier to get damage compare to Fury. Been trying for a couple of months and just not getting what I wanted. Arms, attempted like a day and doing way more damage. Sadge
exotic kestrel
havnt played fury this season, but fury is not hard either xD
silk spade
just ff life at htat point
exotic kestrel
fury is almost just "press what lights up"
wet jasper
I'm just not getting close to the same DPS as with Arms
exotic kestrel
thats because arms is better tuned, on massive aoe and ST
naive sage
havnt played fury this season, but fury is not hard either xD
If you can count to 4 you can play fury
wet jasper
I'll probably just keep up to date, hoping Fury catches up
exotic kestrel
i hope it doesnt, fuck fury
wet jasper
xD
exotic kestrel
boreal quartz
I'm just not getting close to the same DPS as with Arms
Cuz of tuning
Fury does not match arms in damage full stop
robust ridge
Are you just strictly raiding?
wet jasper
M+
exotic kestrel
fury does have the advantage of having dmg constantly and does very well in lower count aoe
- it doesnt die
So if u prefer fury, u can defo just play that
robust ridge
Probably just need a bit more practise; you should find Fury keeps up in most dungeons, and / or pulls ahead in certain scenarios
boreal quartz
You can play whatever you want to
hallow vale
wet jasper
You can play whatever you want to
I enjoy looking at details and being rewarded for my efforts after a fight 😄
halcyon breach
Play shadow priest
halcyon breach
But honestly, you can play either spec really depending on which you like the most. Unless you're doing push content, both specs are more than fine and you'll time keys regardless
Both specs do very respectable damage, Arms is just better in big pull counts due to being uncapped
somber lance
even at the top end some people prefer fury for certain keys
Due to survivability and pull size
wet jasper
I'll probably stick to Arms then, thanks. My premade tank hates small pulls.
exotic kestrel
out of curiosity (dont have to answer) what key lvl u generally running?
karmic forge
silly question, I've had a couple weeks away, but can you get wyrm crests from non-fated heroic raids? Tooltip doesn't stipulate...
halcyon breach
You can get S3 Sparks from doing the non-awakened version of Amirdrassil, but have not checked for crests
Part of me believes you wont, but at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if you do
karmic forge
Yeah it's my thought too, I would assume not, but worth a punt to catch up, as I don't really want to do lower keys
exotic kestrel
if u can get current crests from non awakend amidrassil id treat it as a bug and not a feature
naive sage
if u can get current crests from non awakend amidrassil id treat it as a bug and...
True
silk spade
They're called awakened crests after all
halcyon breach
@daring heron My hunter DEMANDS witnessing Protcake soon or else
quasi torrent
@daring heron i NEED to know what spec to play where
@sacred zodiac finish typing RIGHT MEOW
sacred zodiac
boreal quartz
Double lizard
halcyon breach
Powerful shield wielder
daring heron
i wanna play it on a fort week
halcyon breach
Ok I DEMAND that you meet up on reset time and we do a schlüssel together
daring heron
<@235809563490779136> i NEED to know what spec to play where
play loboz build everywhere
halcyon breach
next week is afflicted and raging
sacred zodiac
where the FUCK is loboz
halcyon breach
@loboz
sacred zodiac
and why did he craft lariat haste pantaloons
halcyon breach
So he can blast more burst
wet jasper
out of curiosity (dont have to answer) what key lvl u generally running?
between 10 and 12.
sacred zodiac
you question the great loboz?
daring heron
he prolly knows something i dont
boreal quartz
and why did he craft lariat haste pantaloons
He will top damage gnarlroot
cloud lagoon
I am not really familiar with this but padding is: Basically doing dmg and uptime against the raid group's will to reach a bigger number on that website?
Or padding is not that bad a thing?
I maybe don t know the good definition sorry for that.
sacred zodiac
dont think it has a defined definition and ppl will probs give different answers to that
imo padding is optimizing towards a goal that isnt killing the boss effectively
gaunt owl
the opposite of padding is funnel
if you dont need to kill something ASAP
let the funnel boy milk it to nuke the boss
sacred zodiac
optimally you'd leave all the eranog adds alive and exclusively single target the boss while the sub rogues funnel into the boss
gaunt owl
sometimes people go out of their way to do adds dmg when you dont need it
sacred zodiac
padding would be speccing into and pressing bladestorm on them
while something like sweeping the final add (that doesnt need to die) on kurog technically isn't padding cause you sweep dreadnaughts into the boss
quaint otter
lyric flame
wet jasper
I just want to make sense of execute.
Basically Spam till under 40 rage > 2x overpower to get 2x stacks martial prowess > 1x Mortal Strike > Repeat?
Excluding CDs
sacred zodiac
ye no that aint it
sacred zodiac
I just want to make sense of execute.
Basically Spam till under 40 rage > 2x ove...
@gaunt owl king
the funny cat emoji is a metaphour for your rage
sacred zodiac
yeah martial prowess is literally irrelevant in ST
it is simply a thing that happens and is not to be thought of
wet jasper
wait really? So it's more important to get 2x stacks for cleave rather than Mortal Strike?
sacred zodiac
are you sting or aoeing and which build are you playing
wet jasper
I'm just trying to make sense of how to get the most out of AoE in M+ and ST on the boss.
sacred zodiac
the 2x MP conditional in deswind's cook is just an optimization to prioritize your damage, it technically is a 1% aoe loss and this should just mean that you can pretty much do whatever you want in aoe and it'll probably be good damage
sacred zodiac
wait really? So it's more important to get 2x stacks for cleave rather than Mort...
yeah but tldr in st martial prowess doesnt affect your rotation at all and in aoe you can wait until 2x MP to cleave in AoE to instead send more overpowers into your main target and whatever
wet jasper
Got it for ST, thanks.
And then in AoE, the use of either Cleave or Mortal Strike depends on the amount of mobs, correct? +5 Prio Cleave, -5 Prio Mortal Strike?
sacred zodiac
if you only care about highest overall in comparison to your teammates, then 1-2 ms 3-4 with sweep otherwise cleave
if you care about timing the key you don't really look at target counts to decide what to do, you look at whether you need to prio something down
wet jasper
That makes sense. Thanks for the info!
somber lance
yeah but tldr in st martial prowess doesnt affect your rotation at all and in ao...
3x execute into MS is more dmge than 2x execute into OP into MS?
Execute phase ST
sacred zodiac
if its full cost executes should be ye
exotic kestrel
cant rly sustain the rage for that anymore tho, unless u get giga SD procs
naive sage
3x execute into MS is more dmge than 2x execute into OP into MS?
If you have enough rage you can spam execute yes, you must check cast by cast your rage though
exotic kestrel
ez fix
real flint
I'm just trying to make sense of how to get the most out of AoE in M+ and ST on ...
Is that tour cursor trail (rainbow)? Wa? Link? 😄
still fox
hehe can you send me too? 😄
boreal remnant
I just want to make sense of execute.
Basically Spam till under 40 rage > 2x ove...
in general your rotation in execute is 2x exe > op > ms > repeat
from what I know
ms is still your biggest prio
real flint
Always lose my cursor in big pulls
Ty! Yeh same, but currently i have a fugly pink circle, so I'll give this one a shot 😄
wet jasper
from what I know
Thanks a lot!
wet jasper
Ty! Yeh same, but currently i have a fugly pink circle, so I'll give this one a ...
It works for me
exotic kestrel
MS is ur biggest prio once u have 2 EP stacks
boreal remnant
only variation as have already been said is to throw an op if your rage is < 40
exotic kestrel
theres 3 globals between MS's, usally thats 2 x exe + either exe or op
clever crag
Just make wa for SD and download the cd bar for warrior
Its so nice
Execute flashes there when its over 40 rage
vast nexus
What is the Fire damage of warriro arms?
fading sage
Shadowflame enchant if you use it, frost fire belt again if you use it. Not recommended to run those however since BSL is better
wet jasper
I bought an aug and Ash for fury. I'm probably screwed on the bullion side of things, ey? xD
fading sage
Tomorrow we get another
honest girder
I bought an aug and Ash for fury. I'm probably screwed on the bullion side of th...
Augury is fine, is signet better yes but there isn’t enough in it to stress
On my sims it’s about 2k
Also fight length is a factor
clever crag
Its pure st too right
slow saddle
Im guessing augery still can highprocc
And in shorter fights better in m+ way better
Wait this is arms chat😅
copper swan
gaunt owl
Wait this is arms chat😅
best chat is Arms chat
slow saddle
Oh i agree
gaunt owl
Nah it used to be fury chat
it never was
wintry scroll
Now the fury chat is having a little bit of a slowdown
olive nest
Fury is never the best chat
wintry scroll
Fury is never the best chat
Delusional take
wintry scroll
The fury dream is real
olive nest
wintry scroll
gaunt owl
opaque citrus
We just wanna be loved
Can you wear a skirt and thigh highs
tough tangle
don’t @ me but s3 fury felt more impactful than s2
sonic pumice
Fury players only want one thing
odyn’s fury
tough tangle
Odyn’s fury felt good to press
wintry scroll
Ok seriously i feel like my rotation is perfect as arms yet i still don’t do much dmmg do I ms after 2 op or Ms on proc
Outside of execute
tough tangle
on proc
wintry scroll
Why tf does my MS do less dmmg than the warrior in my raid then
tough tangle
Idk I’m not in your raid 😅
olive nest
Man.. I was preaching that s3 fury was better during the entire vote
gaunt owl
we have so many dmg amp here and there
wintry scroll
I ms on proc > SD on proc >WW on cd while inside cs > op until ms procs or no more op > tc if rend falling off > slam if no op procs
calm trout
Has the puzzlebox been nerfed ? or is it simming wrong atm ?
wintry scroll
Has the puzzlebox been nerfed ? or is it simming wrong atm ?
It’s still good on aoe or if u wanna play fury in keys
gaunt owl
Pbox is giga good in ST too
wintry scroll
Bigger than tramepling hoofs ?
olive nest
PB owns in ST ye
sacred zodiac
pbox is best until bullion trinkets ye
gaunt owl
Trampling hoof has a downside
you are most likely to not reach the max stacks
its a good trinket but the ramp up is so bad
wintry scroll
I didn’t know that shit stacked wtf
I thought it only procs
And the guy comes out to do dmmg
olive nest
Thinking I’m going to be an oce/anvil gamer in raid
wintry scroll
No
gaunt owl
fuck the poney man running people down
olive nest
Signet/anvil on long fights
gaunt owl
yeah brand really need that 5+min fight minimum
opaque citrus
fuck the poney man running people down
Buff the shark
gaunt owl
but people shouldnt buy trinket
its the last thing i would take
we have already the ring and sarky cloak first
gaunt owl
and i'm sure that we gonna speed kill so many thing
that we gonna end up with grieftorch or something like this
wintry scroll
And i got icon first week on myth track
The sad thing is no one uses icon
So i don’t get buffs
In raid
gaunt owl
you have MOTO
and it lines up with every avatar
thats big
if you do upgrado the pbox
it should be better than might of the ocean
wintry scroll
Huge
gaunt owl
you should dig through your logs
wintry scroll
I wanna find out what im doing wrong
gaunt owl
and see wtf you did poorly against a big boy
one of the best to compare to is Taistelumage
he do push button good
tiny dock
for the peeps without the leggo, how gimped do you feel compared to others that have it
gaunt owl
he probably didnt try 😄
but you can still compare with CD usage and what was his add to kill
somber lance
What’s good mythic logs for CE guilds
gaunt owl
we have so much RNG as Arms
even a beast can get a shit logs
because he low rolled the ability you dont want to
wintry scroll
Maybe that’s what is reducing my dps
gaunt owl
now what i do is send MS Tclap and Troar before
or sometimes just MS to try and get a proc on 4p and send it
wintry scroll
Does our mastery increase fyralath dmmg ?
tiny dock
does oce/icon sim the same in optimal conditions ?
for me oce is ahead with all buffs
icon ahead with no buffs
wintry scroll
i see
tiny dock
i've heard OCE much easier to get buffs even in m+
tiny dock
anecdotally I've noticed I'll usually have 1 oce buff min which is nice
clever jay
what do yall think about the M+ jugger build? For me its its 2.6% behind the single bladestorm build on AOE but 4.8% ahead on single target
proud plover
enduring dreeadplate is wheeree its at for m+ tho
proud plover
what do yall think about the M+ jugger build? For me its its 2.6% behind the sin...
i love it and will play that shit all day every day over bladestorm buffing my bleeds
bladstorm has 1 use atm, to eat storming tornadoes imo
clever jay
I think it might be actually better for most keys, unless you're doing like insanely massive pulls timed around your CDs
tiny dock
is there a spell reflect guide for m+?
tiny dock
yeah I got the WA, was more curious about the tips and tricks of reflect
clever jay
10 nels, m+ jugg
its gotta be betterfor at least tyran weeks
tiny dock
critcake's uldaman vid really showed off some cool reflect tech
thx for the pin suggestion, I scrolled through it before but I guess not that deep
proud plover
yeah I got the WA, was more curious about the tips and tricks of reflect
only self taught - sense has an aweesome sheet with every DF spell/reflect/block etc
in the pins if you want to deep dive
tiny dock
didn't realize a post from 2020 would have that info haha
proud plover
its updated every season
tiny dock
oh true
so this is the post I probably saw from forever ago lol, didn't realize it was maintained
awesome
reflect is such cool tech
clever jay
reflect is such cool tech
yeah I wish it worked on more shit like DKs AMS
proud plover
it works on everything ams works on..
halcyon breach
Bizentein also has a video going over various reflects
If you learn better from a video
tiny dock
watching critcake reflect the craziest shit in uldaman was so sick
rapid bronze
Uldaman has lots of great tech with spell reflect but some is RNG. off the top of my head spell reflect after knockback on third boss for a chance to reflect the bleed shards, reflect before the frontal on the golem to reflect off the dot (if you do it just before he starts casting you will have it for every frontal). And on last boss you can reflect the slow dot if it targets you after the wing buffet
tiny dock
Uldaman has lots of great tech with spell reflect but some is RNG. off the top o...
critcake showed off all of this last night and even the little fire circles on the golem boss can be reflected on the adds
mfer got an easy 1mil+ on an add lmao
clever jay
it works on everything ams works on..
it absolutely does not
rapid bronze
yeah that was pretty great, you should do that if your healer is a baller and you don't have mass dispel so the dot doesnt hurt much
tiny dock
sry he posted a vid last night, probably was from a stream a couple days ago or something
tiny dock
Bizentein also has a video going over various reflects
I'll search for it, ty for the info
it's one thing to read it on the guide, but it's another to get an in depth explanation of timing too
like knowing when to use your reflect CD so it'll be up for the next
rapid bronze
golem generally feels less scary this season to me, so it probably is more efficient to reflect the puddles, but I'm only doing 13-14s
tiny dock
golem generally feels less scary this season to me, so it probably is more effic...
highest I've done is a 10 so far, but I took a step back this weekend because I felt pretty useless during incorp
and in my feelings about not having the leggo 
rapid bronze
people overthink incorp I think, I generally don't try to join pugs on that week and just form the group myself to accommodate it
if you have 3 that can handle it that's plenty
in most groups 12 and above people are competent enough that it doesn't quite feel like an affix
especially if you have a shaman in the group
manic egret
is it good idea to charge after Larodar into fire on myth?
gaunt owl
if you wanna burn your toe sure
exotic knot
is it good idea to charge after Larodar into fire on myth?
ask your healers
olive nest
You healers will not like you doing that lol
Unless somebody is farming a log
But healer log
gaunt owl
they probably pocket heal when he do this kind of stunt
exotic knot
just tell the tank to not move away before the charge xD
gaunt owl
he has better healer too
olive nest
Respectfully you probably ain’t doing Critcakes damage even if you copy his moves
He plays at a high level
manic egret
true
manic egret
well maybe 1 time with dbs
olive nest
Dbts a third Crit buff instead
rapid bronze
@daring heron is becoming a bad influence on these warriors
olive nest
exotic knot
tbh there are probably other areas where you can improve dps before running into fire to get more uptime
fresh spire
manic egret
like s3 Smolderon standing in fire 1st intermission on fury
rapid bronze
what people will do for parses these days
fading sage
I’m just trying to pull my weight and parse blue maybe purple on mythic lol
olive nest
I’m just trying to pull my weight and parse blue maybe purple on mythic lol
And this will be more than enough to kill the boss
manic egret
aint my fault...just hate being compared to other 30m range "melees"
gaunt owl
chasing parse isnt sane for most people
olive nest
Now imagine everyone did blue or purple on the team
Now your magically top 500 world
Lmao
tiny dock
i usually never look at top50 parses
mfers have the entire pull being setup for their dmg profile and getting like 5 PIs
gaunt owl
not even sometimes
olive nest
You can’t specifically copy rank 1s because they just have better timing usually
quasi torrent
vs me the icon CHAD
gaunt owl
you shouldnt compare dmg to a rank 1
quasi torrent
You can’t specifically copy rank 1s because they just have better timing usually
its 0% rng
purely built diff
gaunt owl
but copy his moves and thinking
fading sage
I need to start recording my raids
gaunt owl
was too stupid to precast Pbox while standing out for those stupid orbs
quasi torrent
thats L
exotic knot
On what bosses are you guys saving lego for ads btw?
quasi torrent
u wanna use pull, 2nd inter, last inter
but the thing is
if ur guilds players would take double dam from ashkandur u will never see
that last dmg amp anymore
olive nest
On pull feels so ass though?
You lose a lot of gcds during Ava cs
And if you send before
quasi torrent
u use it after the cds
olive nest
It’s to delayed in i1
quasi torrent
cause u do 2nd use at about 3min
olive nest
Ahh true
quasi torrent
olive nest
Yo Anda Smort
quasi torrent
here with timers
dont question late puzzle on 3rd either
nothing went wrong
at all
gaunt owl
Tmy used it on 1st intermission and at 3:30
quasi torrent
functionally both accomplish same
kind sonnet
is it even worth using lego during execute phase
quasi torrent
i believe next time we are there u wanna use 1st and 3rd inter tho
cause no shot u see last intermission
little lagoon
What weapon should i go for if i dont have legendary?
olive nest
Legendary
little lagoon
and until i get the drop? 😛
olive nest
M+ weapon 522
little lagoon
kk
olive nest
Goodluck!
quasi torrent
fiercly strike thy enemy
reef glade
Tmy used it on 1st intermission and at 3:30
First intermission starts at like 1:10 tho… 
quasi torrent
yeah but IP u actively lose dam pressing in a good few situations
- requires brainage to use
where FbV just passively does it 🤷♂️
daring heron
i'm second wind gaming now
olive nest
I’d be curious to know how much fbv actually increases BSL
livid cloak
I'm gonna be a shield ring gamer tomorrow
daring heron
same
clever crag
I might go FbV
daring heron
wait im eu
gaunt owl
if you dont actively use IP and properly
daring heron
im shield ring gamer on wednesday
gaunt owl
i'm flaming you !
clever crag
Cuz I suck at pressing ip
gaunt owl
maybe i'm gonna go lazy as fuck next reset
and play FBV
the ring
is turbo broken
highly illegal
reef glade
olive nest
wtf!?
reef glade
dps loss be damned I’m gettin that ring
clever crag
Oh I got that ring
reef glade
probably as valuable In m+ as ignore pain
plus fbv just being way stronger in m+
die ignore pain die
quasi torrent
yeah for sure shield ring angle
kinda hope my vault is bad
so i dont feel bad for taking sockies
so i can hole both rings
gaunt owl
want to see how many times his ring barrier procced
not sure where you get to look at it
reef glade
tru tbh debatable if I yoink a heroic to myth upgrade ilvl tier, probably less dps than 2 sockets
if we being honest
idk tho
maybe not for helm/chest
but glove who care
midnight mural
2 sockets kinda hjuge
halcyon breach
HC -> Myth isn't worth over 2 sockies imo
midnight mural
Is like 3600dps for me
reef glade
helm might be only worth cuz buffs enchant
midnight mural
4 days old sim but sockies still big
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tYWZk1PE93rfJoeFgmKMWd
olive nest
Holes kinda big
clever crag
FbV must heal a fuckton in aoe
halcyon breach
If it's like some omega bis item, or helm, then yeah HC -> Myth is a good option
But otherwise if it's just a random off/tier piece then I don't care enough
atomic forum
if i dont have leggo or a decent weapon, does ashkandur take prio with my bullion over my main trinket?
olive nest
I would farm Lego and spend bullions else where
atomic forum
ok
halcyon breach
Depends on how many kills you have
If it's a fresh character, for sure just buy Ashkandur as first purchase since you'd otherwise have it the entire patch
atomic forum
not enough, i just started playing warrior
halcyon breach
And worst case, you can use it as Fury as well, and use it to upgrade your lego, assuming you get it soon, quicker
atomic forum
yeah that's a good point, ok ty!
outer yew
Hello, should I be monitoring procs for anything for ST or AOE situations to help improve DPS? For example cleaving before BS to proc tier set bonus? I’ve only played S3 fury and would monitor my enrage uptime and ensured to always be enraged
outer yew
What about ST w/o spec into cleave?
sturdy flicker
what kind of uptime are u guys simming the crafted neck wtih?
sturdy flicker
well thats what i was trying to see if i even want it
novel hollow
If u want consistent dam go with shadowflame + allied
sturdy flicker
yeah i think i will im not good enough to make silken lining bis ahaha
novel hollow
Do u mythic raid?
sturdy flicker
ye
novel hollow
Might be alright i guess, but i mean that 10% hp will drain fast af
sturdy flicker
god damn seal of diurna was 4% dr for me to jesus
gaunt owl
Why blue silken lining?
are you sure about that
only I am allowed to spread misinformation
sturdy flicker
i seee all the bis dudes with blue silken but are they just better than me and thats why its good hahaha
novel hollow
When everyones doing 1mil dps on a boss when bursting on start with lust
Im sure those 10% wont last long lol
gaunt owl
Im sure those 10% wont last long lol
wut ?
you need to read BSL tooltip
you got it wrong
teal fossil
you need to have 90% hp
gaunt owl
whom 10% ?
novel hollow
Ahh wait
teal fossil
i think you are interpreting it as they need to have 90% hp
teal fossil
shadowlfame doesnt scale into aoe
gaunt owl
you can easily get 50% on most boss
teal fossil
bsl is just bis on farm content
clever crag
Bsl is good even with 40% uptime some1 said
gaunt owl
you can go as low as 25%
teal fossil
25 is sketch
sacred zodiac
you are eating major shit if you go lower than 40
i think the worst fight i had was like fyrakk with 40%
teal fossil
another metric i like to look at is % uptime during avatar/CS
teal fossil
i think the worst fight i had was like fyrakk with 40%
you mindg linking that log for me
steady plover
@sacred zodiac ya spongie what is the minnimum wage in germany now
tiny dock
whats this shield ring people are getting now?
teal fossil
seal of filial duty or somethin
boreal quartz
ICH LIEBE BUBATZ YIPIEEEE
@sacred zodiac friend of mine quit bubatz cold turkey and started hallucinating and seeing heat waves - is it joever for him
sacred zodiac
its over
boreal quartz
its over
He looked like he took meth ngl - but apparently hadnt slept in 3 days
Tomorrow i see him again, wonder if he's doin ok
teal fossil
whats the context behind minimum wage
boreal quartz
whats the context behind minimum wage
Money earned per hour should enable a living by default
teal fossil
i mean why is raven just asking about it randomly
boreal quartz
Welfare
teal fossil
oh ic
boreal quartz
@steady plover how does minimum wage matter if spongai doesnt work
Only scratch him ballz
sacred zodiac
i am in uni :(
boreal quartz
i am in uni :(
i always say student = jobless alcoholic as it applied to my time at Uni quite well
sacred zodiac
pretty much ye
boreal quartz
got a job to pay more booze
Job makes me want to become one, but brain says no
Instead i shitpost
gaunt owl
its healthier to shitpost
boreal quartz
On company time ofc
