#arms

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brisk fjord
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Well playing mythic raid kinda cringe ngl.
Pugging it is mostly horrible and doing it legit seems ppl follow a schedule like a slave. I wanna go online and play when it fits me.

copper swan
manic stirrup
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if you think playing with a bunch of your homies twice a week for a couple hours is like being a slave

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i think youve lost it

copper swan
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depends on the experience felt during those hours

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homies or not

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but that's debatable

minor gust
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One minor complaint so far is it has to much of the build up and not enough of the yellin

wicked aurora
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I mean like find a group you like playing with

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Idk man, doing mythic one night a week for 4 hours isn’t bad at all

somber lance
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damn Risby you managed to type like 10 messages in a row and all of them are cringe af

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congrats

manic stirrup
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LMAOOOOO

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come on u dont gotta do him like that

raven nymph
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Are the havoc demon hunters rerolling arms?

sacred zodiac
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yeah literally all of them

manic stirrup
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egirlchoco is stuck in s3 yeah

brisk fjord
dire hinge
minor gust
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just a minor complaint but if you update it at all hmu no worries

brisk fjord
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Not the same. I saw many Fury doing MORE rampages than Bloodbaths and with macroing in BB/Rampage you could never make this mistake (and I actually had separate keybind for bloodthirst).
I actually liked S3 Fury the most.

fresh spire
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Thats correct.

manic stirrup
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i never really messed it up persoanlly but ig its possible

fresh spire
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You cant 2x a bb when you get one proc from a rampage

rare kite
sacred anvil
brisk fjord
rare kite
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then you can do a bb that is affected by enrage

sacred anvil
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Big dam

brisk fjord
# rare kite you do know the rampage enrages you right?

Yes but if enrage falls off and you still have a procced bloodbath it would be better to use it without enrage then to use rampage again. As this bloodbath without enrage would still is higher dmg than the rampage; and it’s followed up by a rampage that then enrages you.

sacred anvil
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/popcorn

rare kite
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and that's without accounting for the chance of Unbridled ferocity

wicked aurora
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It’s almost like we cared more about BB than anything else

wicked aurora
rare kite
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like this

tepid prawn
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More chat about fury than the fury chat lol

real cypress
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whats the current m+ talent build like? i feel like i read somwhere that you dont take bladestorm and sudden death? is that right or just a meme

opal folio
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Don’t think you ever skip sudden death

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You can play the juggernaut build which drops bladestorm

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Bladestorm build is better overall though

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Jugg is when you want to smash bosses and let other classes handle trash

minor gust
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jugg still has some pretty good aoe

tough steppe
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critcake is insane

minor gust
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bleeds and DN owns

halcyon breach
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The only build that'd get rid of Sudden Death, is Deswind's FoB cook

tough steppe
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+18 brackenhide holy fuck

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I'm working my ass to get 2.8k IO keks

opal folio
tough steppe
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so distant tho

halcyon breach
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It'd just mean you'd have WW as your filler if no OP in AoE

opal folio
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Nice, I’ll give it a go next reset

halcyon breach
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I tried it but was not a fan

opal folio
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Ngl, doesn’t seem promising in my head

rare kite
opal folio
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But variety is good

tough steppe
real cypress
halcyon breach
rare kite
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it's kinda cursed

real cypress
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interesting....

halcyon breach
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Hmm

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Have not seen it take 2x Critical

rare kite
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maybe he has updated it since, but that was the last fob build he posted

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said he took 2x critical just as filler talents

minor gust
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if your looking for standard M+ build just go single BS

rare kite
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since he doesn't like bladestorm

tough steppe
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I still can't used not getting 2 points of Overwhelming Rage

minor gust
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rage is cosmetic so not like u need it

manic stirrup
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i was too busy flaming my party members

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totem?

rare kite
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ye, 1 failed totem then it spiraled out of control

manic stirrup
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happensge

velvet herald
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if I don't the leggo, what should I grab with bullion if im mainly doing m+? eranog ring kinda seems like it needs the axe.

rare kite
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if you're far away from getting the leggo or not trying to get it then ashkandur

velvet herald
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Im def hella far away. that makes sense then.

rare kite
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eranog ring still good without the leggo, head enchant procs it. ofc it's worse than with leggo

errant bough
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only loser rerollers don't have lego

rare kite
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trinkets proc it, ashkandur procs it

velvet herald
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my warrior so neglected I still gotta get the head enchant too. rofl

halcyon breach
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Need to compare it to the technical bis setup, but Head + Shadowflame + Ashkandur gives a good uptime of the ring

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Frankly though, it doesn't matter all too much what you buy, and in which order

dull siren
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@halcyon breach

halcyon breach
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Ashkandur > rings > trinkets
If you have garbage trinkets but good rings, OCE/Icon also good options before rings, all of which you can just sim to see the biggest gain whenever you make your purchase

dull siren
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Rate my pull

halcyon breach
reef glade
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20 of those mobs are useless dogs

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don’t do shit

marble delta
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Is it worth it to play arms if I’m not going to get the fyrakk weapon?

halcyon breach
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Yes

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You'll still do more damage as Arms without lego, than Fury without lego (depending on context)

marble delta
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Thanks! I have been really wanting to play one but I was worried because I know I won’t get the Lego

halcyon breach
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The lego is not mandatory no, it just gives a lot of damage

marble delta
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Sweet. Thank you!!

marble delta
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Oh damn. This definitely makes me excited.

rare kite
proud plover
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nah im playing sos - no cleave tho

rare kite
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no cleave? no 4p?

proud plover
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yes 4p

rare kite
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that is wack

proud plover
halcyon breach
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I would never run 2x BB over Cleave with 4p

errant bough
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you're a try hard

halcyon breach
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Even with Jugger

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you're a noober

quasi torrent
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i tried this in a key

errant bough
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elitist of talents

quasi torrent
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it wasn't very good

errant bough
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omg I'd NEVER take this guys

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elitism

halcyon breach
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Nina has an identity crisis on cooldown

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Doesn't want to min/max but does not want to be out min/max'd by me

errant bough
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I donut care

proud plover
errant bough
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what's either of those

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frag bomb? plaguebearer?

timber lynx
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poison bomb

errant bough
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didn't know this was town of Salem

rare kite
errant bough
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oh

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I see

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(im not familiar with non int names)

halcyon breach
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They're literally usable by all

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Dumbo

errant bough
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name 1 int that uses puzzle box

halcyon breach
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Me

errant bough
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ur not int

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?

halcyon breach
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Curious, it's a puzzle to open the box, yet it's only strength and agi users that are able to use it properly

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Guess int users really are not that intelligent?

minor gust
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break the box open

proud plover
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maybe they are so intelligent that opening a puzzle box is beneath them

errant bough
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Hunter idiots not even knowing lol!

manic stirrup
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so bnased timmy turner

errant bough
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puzzle box is basically a fidget toy for hunters

halcyon breach
errant bough
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cuz they b

errant bough
manic stirrup
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yes pealse daddy

halcyon breach
manic stirrup
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typo

errant bough
sacred zodiac
errant bough
sacred zodiac
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hello!

errant bough
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I don't have my glasses sec

sacred zodiac
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oh ok

errant bough
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ok ready now

halcyon breach
errant bough
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I share the cup of tea with spongie

sacred zodiac
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yippie !!!!

errant bough
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@halcyon breach continue narrating?

chilly mulch
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Do I really not rend? Like just single target thunder clap?

smoky kayak
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TC replaces Rend outright, due to spending rage more efficiently

glacial ore
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Guys, i've already the 2 fire ring + leg, assuming i'm only playing MM+ , which item i should buy next week ?

errant bough
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anyway look pins there's m+ details on the topic

glacial ore
sacred zodiac
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mode mythique

glacial ore
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Or the nokud's one atm

minor gust
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looks like ur buying a trinket with ur next bullion

glacial ore
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The things is nobody playing icon/ OCE , and Neltharion's one make us less tanky
So it's Still Ok to take one of this three ?

minor gust
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Pips is a pretty good choice aswell

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any passive stat stick will do well just your choice on which one u want

glacial ore
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Augury can be a choice too?

minor gust
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ehh Augury isnt that good for arms

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theres much better options

glacial ore
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Ok good to know thanks

fleet isle
flat vine
glacial ore
glacial ore
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Icon Will be a better choice assuming any other mate Will play oce

minor gust
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if your tank and or healer is gonna wear Icon I would go Icon but if they arent I lean more towards OCE especially if other dps are wearing it

errant bough
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tanks do not want icon

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but imo they should suck it up for us

minor gust
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yeah no tank running that shit

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unless yours is whipped

glacial ore
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Yeah but mate play SP / Ret and they wont stack OCE too xD

minor gust
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you can sim the comparison of no oce upgs vs no Icon upgs

halcyon breach
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If you want an option that always work regardless of your setup, Pips would arguably be your best bet

minor gust
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and that Pips is always there too

halcyon breach
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enjoy the tea

errant bough
sacred zodiac
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hello narrator

raven nymph
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Always have my friends with me even when alone. keks

glacial ore
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Dslice is viable for simc ? ^^

ornate eagle
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Yes

halcyon breach
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It works yes, but I would not use it to determine what trinkets to use, if that's what you're gonna do

halcyon breach
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Whatever talent setup you want, but Patchwerk 5 min 1 target for gearing purposes is what I'd recommend

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Trinkets however is something you gotta apply some thinking for yourself

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But for ease, Puzzle Box + Icon/OCE or Pips will be the general best setup

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You can use Call to Chaos instead as your passive option, but the increased damage taken part makes it not worth picking in any serious content really

smoky kayak
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Idk if I'd frame it as "serious" content, so much as probably not for push content, but otherwise yeah

halcyon breach
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Depends on what one would see as serious content, but yeah

raven nymph
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I hear healers like to heal. Their problem.

smoky kayak
glacial ore
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pip will be a way better i guess

halcyon breach
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Pips is weaker than OCE/Icon with buffs, but it's always consistent and not much worse to the point of it being detrimental

raven nymph
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Yeah. I’m curious if it’ll still be a problem with one shot issue when running ring

minor gust
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you will always run into a 1 shot issue in keys thats how keys work

inner wasp
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so in aoe

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if im trying to only use cleave at 2 stacks

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clap takes prio over cleave?

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if not at 2 stacks

fossil thistle
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Clap and WW resets OP

inner wasp
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im aware

fossil thistle
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So if you have no OP charges, 1 stack of MP, you can Clap -> OP -> 2xMP Cleave

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So then yes, it would technically take prio over cleave in that situation

dire hinge
prisma steeple
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better way to start war arms? about the

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no have tier set, no have legendary

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is fresh character

manic stirrup
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ashkandur

dry frost
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Bleeds go brrr

knotty solstice
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Soooo leggo seems crazy, is normal leggo better than mythic track ash

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Slash should I actually be farming each week

dry frost
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Its pretty big

modern kindle
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i’m new kinda dumb question how much would it cost to get good arms enchants?

dry frost
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Honestly I havent payed attention in a long time, my guess to full enchant gear is like 30k maybe if you dont count belt?

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Id mostly just worry about Chest, Legs, Weap and Rings for now

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dont worry about cloak, wrist or belt

weak saffron
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Brackenhide with Spiteful is so damn obnoxious. goddamn.

violet quarry
dry frost
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Yeah Im out of touch cause my guild funds all gems and enchants

opaque citrus
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but you can get fierce for very cheap and very minor loss

smoky kayak
violet quarry
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Fierce leg enchant is the good one, like 500g.

fossil thistle
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le sigh

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Waited for this priest to do RLP 10 only said "hold on" after 20mins he says "Sry too many messages" and just drops group

inner wasp
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naw they get 3 min

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longer than that, booted and i dont explain why

fossil thistle
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I think thats what imma do now

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Only waited cause he queued with DH + nobody cared to wait

opaque citrus
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armor = strength

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its a very small optimization though

violet quarry
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I suppose that's fair. I'd rather take the 1310hp though than 14 strength.

runic urchin
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@dire hinge ty for reviving super saiyan weakaura btw

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forgot to mention that earlier

dire hinge
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Hhaha no worries, i like making silly things

manic stirrup
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can u relink

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i missed

dire hinge
verbal marten
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oh my god my autoscroll broke

manic stirrup
proud plover
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overall

simple zenith
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Do we cast bladestorm in ST M+ build?

manic stirrup
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yes

proud plover
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i basically dont have to worry about the rules of when to cast cleave - it all goes on ms fro prio damage

gaunt owl
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missing out on the juicy 4p uptime

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even if you mess up the rules of MS or Cleave when

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its not that important

proud plover
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ms procs it lol

gaunt owl
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yeah thanks

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but Cleave make it pretty much guaranteed in AOE

proud plover
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compared to comeone playing cleave

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yuge

gaunt owl
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who the fuck he has so little while playing cleave

proud plover
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the top arms warrior for rlp at same key level

gaunt owl
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thats more how it should look like

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i took Critcake one

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i dont log my keys but it was in those number or even higher

modern kindle
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should i use gnarlroots or key-line tracer?

rancid knot
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yall why is it that when i see you guys do bladestorm, it hits like bricks, but when i use bladestorm they hit like i am hitting them with wet noodles?

steep osprey
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Do you use cleave before for buff

rancid knot
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i gotta cleave before bladestorm?

silk spade
manic stirrup
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bladesotmr doesnt really hit that hard

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it makes everything else hit hard

gaunt owl
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still got your dots and everything running before

rancid knot
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i see. i just checked wowhead, i realized i need to press like 15 different buttons before bladestorming

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anyone use a weakaura to keep track of buffs and dots?

manic stirrup
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you can get one but your dots are basically permanent bc you keep reapplying them

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basically just use thunderclap cleave roar avatar warbreaker bladestorm

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immediately whirlwind and then ss and follow the priority

rancid knot
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ok got it thank you

latent pier
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how do maximise the on use effect of the legendary? sometimes it hists 200k and sometimes 800k

reef mauve
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It splits damage that is why you see a huge variance

tough steppe
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this next week is really ass

manic stirrup
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every week is ass besides the bursting weeks

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and this one

tough steppe
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uldaman lizards will one shot tanks next week keks

manic stirrup
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they already do

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you never tank their bleeds

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step out step in resets cast

tough steppe
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but at least you can stun them to make them lose stacks

manic stirrup
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the basilisks in first area are the danger part

silk spade
somber lance
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Having an incorporeal go off is one of the worst feelings in wow

somber lance
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I for one couldn’t get past 70% and am wondering why

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Maybe when tank is gathering pulls for example i lose uptime since it’s technically combat

left talon
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feelin cute might buy CSB

clever crag
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So we only cleave with 2xOP?

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Seen some Critcake video and he was doing OP cleave OP cleave

quasi torrent
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and slightly more aoe

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but its not a big deal at all

daring heron
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just press buttons

gaunt owl
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but yeah you always wait for tank to pack stuff anyway

brittle pelican
proud plover
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does puzzle box have DR issues?

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because it grants rating and not a % gain?

daring heron
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sure but your sims account for that already

proud plover
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just thinking about it devaluing running 2x bsl for example

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due to both being rating increases and not direct %

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possibly why frag trinket sims better for me in dslice over pb

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28% base mastery

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yet pb was over frag when at 20% mastery

brittle pelican
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I just run fragment because imagine channeling a trinket

sacred zodiac
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Imagine doing more damage

raven nymph
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Impossible for melee brain to stand still for 2 seconds.

brittle pelican
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or whatever

gaunt owl
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so why push button then

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just afk and let the other do the dungeon

sacred zodiac
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Bring rageheart and cheat death from dawn

clever crag
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I love how arms cds are even lower than fury now somehow lol

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Or atleast it feels like it

brittle pelican
sacred zodiac
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Both are cdrd to 30s? Or

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At least cs and rav reck should roughly be 30s

sacred zodiac
clever crag
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Feels like I can use em multiple times per pack sometimes lol

buoyant axle
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anybody some spare haste for me?

clever crag
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But fury hits like shit on ST compared to the beauty of this arms build

hazy flower
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And picking good trinkets

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Is part of playing good

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x)

clever crag
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Take 2 passive trinkets and ggs

halcyon breach
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Furys ST in keys is actually good

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Compared to what you see in raid

clever crag
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Yeah well shorter fights and all

hazy flower
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No just fury loses jack shit going m+

gaunt owl
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fight duration has nothing to do with that

hazy flower
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Where some classes lose so much

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Like ret

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Ret only had decent st last season because it was overtuned as fuck in raid

clever crag
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Back in s1 arms had 0 ST lmao

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With the same tier

hazy flower
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Or it had food if it went diff build instead of your general m+ final reckoning build

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Tier was a bit worse + you play different talents

clever crag
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Yeah fucking bonegrinder

hazy flower
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  • you cant compare it just like that
halcyon breach
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Yeah and we're not in s1 anymore, and both specs do good ST in keys now

wind vault
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Does anyone have a weakaura showing if our 4p BUFF is up?

buoyant axle
hazy flower
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Yes but its not simming higher than anything else by a landslide

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Idk if like one of the best but its definitely very strong at least

buoyant axle
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last time i checked sim craft it was like top5

hazy flower
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U mean sim? Yes its 3rd highest spec after deva and arms last I checked

buoyant axle
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ye

raven nymph
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Fury 6th now.

clever crag
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Wtf

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Wasnt it like dead last

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Before the buffs

halcyon breach
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Not quite, but 3.8% + 0.7% adds up

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When the numbers were relatively close as is

livid current
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mastery or haste oathstone?

ashen river
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Guys what is the best item to get after the Upgrade for fyralath for the bronz thingis ?

raven nymph
rugged wave
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Solo icon sims higher than pips for me, is this an indication of not enough crit? 🤔

quasi torrent
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its an indication of buy icon

clever crag
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Icon love

fathom gorge
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So I was looking to possibly reroll to warrior haven’t played outside of levelling this expansion and it’s a potential for new expansion- my question is how essential is the Lego weapon for me to do competitive dps?

sacred anvil
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U could use till u get leggo

fathom gorge
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Ashkandy

sacred anvil
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Yes

fathom gorge
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Thanks

sacred anvil
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🙏 zug on my friend

sacred anvil
ashen river
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hey i was wondering why are arms taking the eranog ring ? i mean it says fire dmg how are we gonna do fire dmg?

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or is the shadowflame normal fire dmg to?

silk spade
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Shadowflame armor patch works too

sacred zodiac
clever crag
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It simmed only 1% upgrade for me but I simmed it at low ilvl

native merlin
little blade
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hi guys, is it normal that Might of the Ocean trinket (483ilvl) simmed better than most trinket including the Hoof (ilvl 509)?

swift crown
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especially at low ilvl

sacred zodiac
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Just stick to pbox dslice sims are questionable for trinkets

clever crag
native merlin
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@sacred zodiac for me ?

sacred zodiac
clever crag
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Got icon first

sacred zodiac
sacred zodiac
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Noob

native merlin
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@sacred zodiac i don't understand ^^ Sims in dslice with trinket is not good ?

clever crag
sacred zodiac
clever crag
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Ive seen like 10 oces drop and never got shit EVERYBODY wants it lol

native merlin
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@sacred zodiac oh okay thank you

clever crag
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I miss personal loot tbh

sacred anvil
clever crag
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Seeing all the golden 100 rolls fuck that

clever crag
sacred anvil
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What happened to valor

native merlin
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Anyone know if Chromatic essence is a bis trinket for us ? ( Haste or crit )
I sim it but i lost 3.6% dps

native merlin
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And i don't have a lot of haste ( 34% - 5461 )

obsidian topaz
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Doesn’t it depend on your party?

sacred zodiac
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Do you have full Party buffs enabled in the sim Settings at the bottom

native merlin
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All war i see play with 40-43 hast %

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@sacred zodiac no

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Cuz i'm not playing with chromatic mate

sacred zodiac
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Its bis if you're in a raid that is setting that up properl

obsidian topaz
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If you look at the wowhead gear page sims, it’s only on top of your party uses it too

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Look at the ones without +all it’s lower

clever crag
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I got icon where you only need a tank and heal

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But its fixed crit

native merlin
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Yes but 0 tank want to playu with icon

clever crag
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Just manipulate them kek

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Also Im expecting oce to drop from raid, never seen an icon drop lul

sleek dock
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does anyone know the exact Blademaster Torrent and Merciless Bonegrinder build? Couldnt find a video from Biz about it but was told to look at him?

raven nymph
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BT too much of a ST loss imo. You can def move some talents around for MBG though.

sleek dock
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whats the goto spec then for this week?

slender sonnet
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so close to 600k sadge

mortal crag
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any1 remembers how much does it cost to upgrade from 522 to 535

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for ring next week

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i got 30 aspect crests idk if i should save em or just send em

slender sonnet
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60 aspects

mortal crag
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eep

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if i have 30 now and save em for next week, will i then have 120+30?

slender sonnet
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yes so it just increases the cap

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so you'll be able to get another 120 aspects next week

mortal crag
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yeah

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idk what to do with my 30

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ring slot+feet slot?

slender sonnet
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are you gonna keep that ring? what embellishments are you running?

mortal crag
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BSL+wrist

sacred zodiac
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not double bsl? weak

mortal crag
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im replacing ring next week afaik

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to diurna

slender sonnet
sacred zodiac
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your gear is a shitshow

slender sonnet
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my gear is awesome

sacred zodiac
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why is that neck 515

slender sonnet
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cause Im speanding my aspects this week on cloak

sacred zodiac
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wtf is ur gear man

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is that a hc or myth augury

slender sonnet
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hc

sacred zodiac
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isnt pbox better than it

slender sonnet
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I haven't had a pbox drop

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and cba to farm it

sacred zodiac
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get back in the mines then or?

slender sonnet
#

no cause retiring when mop drops

#

so why bother

sacred zodiac
#

no ur not

slender sonnet
#

I am

#

until tww

sacred zodiac
#

ok i will defeat you

naive sage
sacred zodiac
#

good stats?

slender sonnet
#

tusks supremacy

inner rock
#

Im having some trouble figuring out when i should use bladestorm. Should i use BS first and then all my other cds cause of the str proc or the other way around?

sacred zodiac
#

in st send it first

#

in aoe send the damage amps and then bs

inner rock
#

Oh okay

#

Cause ive been doing bs>warbreakear>avatar+roar

silk spade
sacred zodiac
#

roar before it all ideally

inner rock
#

Dont roar get extra dmg if its applied during warbreaker? Or does it not work like that?

inner rock
sacred zodiac
#

no snapshotting

inner rock
#

Guess ill see my dmg go way up now then😂😂

inner rock
novel hollow
#

7aa

#

prolly looks good

inner rock
#

What dungeon? @novel hollow

novel hollow
#

algethar

#

7

#

im 508 atm

inner rock
#

Haha ya that dungeon is hella fun for us!

#

What trinks u running?

slender sonnet
#

also algethar 7 (dps players suck)

inner rock
#

Surprised that lock is that low😂

novel hollow
#

from s3'

#

i need pbox and dps will skyrocket

inner rock
#

I hate using it, i never understand when to use it😂😂 i have it but i dont feel all that more powerful

#

Im prolly just trash but hey

silk spade
slender sonnet
still fox
#

whats the best trinket with billions playing not with mates all pug 😦

naive sage
#

Pip is good too

still fox
#

or is oce/icon better when play solo it?

weak saffron
silk spade
#

also might get random people using them

#

specially icon since you don't need people to not be your same selection

still fox
#

so better icon than neltharion?

somber lance
#

F

silk spade
#

I also don't know if you're asking for raid or for m+

still fox
#

only m+

silk spade
#

I think Icon is a safer bet

#

but not sure

#

cause nelth's is mostly good in aoe, and icon is so much better than nelth's in st

#

but icon is also good in aoe so

#

idk

still fox
#

😄

#

i think i go icon, when i have luck is other in grp 😊

hollow willow
#

If I intend on switching from Arms to Fury based on the situation(primarily raiding), would it be worth using my Bullion next week on Signet Brand? Since it's pretty good for both?

novel hollow
#

Isnt icon+oce bis

latent moss
#

not anymore

novel hollow
#

Signet is alright for mythic raids i guess

#

Since kills take 5min+

latent moss
#

they dont really

#

late bosses do

dull siren
mortal crag
#

probs cuz of font size and naowh

#

hi tmy :3

latent moss
#

timmas big fan

mortal crag
#

such lovely pfps

#

what a nice zoo

#

:3

latent moss
#

u should fix fury sims so people stop crying

mortal crag
#

hi tmy can u make fury good

latent moss
#

no

#

impossible

#

spec is gone

#

dead

lost kernel
#

Guys iam overwhelmed with amount of buttons i need to press in m+. Any tips to reduce amount or make some macroes?

latent moss
#

take slam off

#

take rend off

#

u dont really use them in m+

#

cant take anything else off

#

arms is bloated in aoe

lost kernel
#

Rend already off panel, but slam used in ST scenario(bosses) so cant take it off.

left iris
#

is there a string to sim all oce buffs with consumables? i had one previously but cant find it now

lost kernel
#

Anyway everything + legendary takes all the comfortable buttons... never expireneced this before..

latent moss
#

in order to make it worth pressing u need 2 points in crushing force

#

which is evil

#

cause u need those 2 points for storm bolt etc

charred brook
#

I just press it when I have absolutely nothing left lol

#

Which is very rare

#

Especially in AoE

ripe snow
#

Buff slam

gaunt owl
#

Ban this guy

fervent raven
sacred anvil
ripe snow
charred brook
novel hollow
#

Im guessing enha shammy + aug + monk tank + priest heal is bis for AA

#

Pumptastic 1st pull

ripe snow
#

Replace brew with VDH clueless

#

Brew got nerf 😢

novel hollow
#

5% melee

#

Big d

subtle gust
#

does a sweeping strikes affected overpower proc a 2nd dreadnaught?

novel hollow
#

I peaked 3mil dps no aug on AA +7 , pretty good

#

Was still ramping up but trash died too fast

novel hollow
#

Once ill get my pbox and replace my shitty ass 489 trinks itll be a gamechanger

gaunt owl
#

The more i use PBox the more i hate it

nimble acorn
#

its so much downtime that i dont play with it in m+ even if sim says to

halcyon breach
#

I have yet to feel annoyed with Puzzie box

#

But I suppose I get why people don't like channels

gaunt owl
#

ok the downtime wtf do you mean ?

#

its 2 fucking seconds every 3min

latent hull
#

Yea what downtime

#

I mean i dont have it but im guessing you should be pressing it while tank is gathering the pack

slow saddle
novel hollow
boreal remnant
#

what do you think of something like this? Get rid of crushing force and frothing for second wind for higher bsl uptime

manic stirrup
#

that’s not going to give you higher bsl uptime

kind sonnet
#

Ignore pain all you need

worldly kernel
clever crag
#

Neltharions call better

wind vault
clever crag
#

Puzzy b

latent hull
#

need a new trinket badly

#

and i might start playing fury besides arms

#

is icon the best trinket

ivory bone
#

Hey all quick question I still got tier from s3. is it worth replacing with higher ilvl non tier

clever crag
#

Prolly not, sim it

#

2p+2p for me was ass

copper swan
#

meanwhile, monks

wind vault
weary root
#

coming back after a long hiatus, looks like arms > fury these days? is this reality or a simulation?

wind vault
#

It all depends of Your skill and type of content You are doing

#

On +10s it doesn't matter which You Play, they are both good

weary root
#

primarily m+ here

#

are you saying arms is less mongo than fury? fury seems pretty buttonsmash right now

boreal remnant
#

fury was always buttonmash

wind vault
#

Fury is buttonsmash, arms need a little more thinking but it's easy aswell

karmic wagon
#

Brackenhide is such a padding experience hah! My first 400k overall 🥹

silk spade
karmic wagon
#

hehe sure is

silk spade
#

based

clever crag
#

Arms is pretty mongo this season on aoe but thats good, fury super mongo

halcyon sequoia
#

just got double insta gibbed in ulda 8

#

chain lightning beween 2 totem lightning pulses

#

brez into frame 1 chain lightning

somber lance
#

you guys ever play with a good mage?

#

me nope

clever crag
#

Never

silk spade
clever crag
#

Always the dead weight or the “utility” guy

ripe snow
#

I don't play with meta players

clever crag
#

That guy who presses TW and deals with affix

ripe snow
#

I took DK, Enh, Dev evoker and was fine xan

somber lance
#

pick the player not the class etc etc

ripe snow
#

Exactly

manic stirrup
#

its pretty rare though

#

recently ive come across more decent mages and less outright terrible ones

#

which is nice

ripe snow
#

What about augs?

#

Are they still a pick and mix or are people good at aug now

manic stirrup
#

dont know shit about the spec or how to tell if theyre good

#

i just assume they all suck

gaunt owl
#

99% of player sux

#

its a fact

ripe snow
#

I can tell if they are good when i was tanking and did big dmg while they CC'd interrupted and stuff

#

But yes ppaww is correct

nova marsh
raven nymph
buoyant cargo
#

What happend to cleave training dummies in valdrak? Was there a blue Post?

manic stirrup
#

theyre bugged

supple blade
#

Guys don't known how to sim this or even if I can but using potion on pull or during execute phase? What is the best time to pop it?

mild hound
#

usually after avatar/cs according to the sim sequence (if i remmeber right)

#

sim shows you what order it does things

novel hollow
#

Like a wise person on youtube comments once said - "Fuck Mages and avoid at all costs, theyre all rats".

last mulch
#

!bullion

#

!curio

slender sonnet
wild spindle
#

guys what trinkets should i aim to go for in keys? im currently running puzzle box and Mirror but sims and bloodmallet says OCE or WII is giga but the issue is the premade im running with has 0 people thats gonna be using those trinkets. should i still aim to get them or is there better choices for my scenario?

fossil thistle
manic stirrup
#

oce is still good with 0 allied buffs

#

can sim it as well

#

holy deja vu

wild spindle
misty iron
#

do I just give up on trying to sweep CS in council now? It's horribly desynced, CS comes back way too fast

wild spindle
#

might just say fuck it and buy OCE

lucid summit
#

Hey - i read the wowhead guide but im abit confused should we cast roar then avatar? Is there a reason why we dont avatar first then use roar? (talking outside of execute phase) 🙂 cause i dont understand why we woudnt want the dmg increase from avatar applied to our roar?

exotic kestrel
#

Did the crit bugfixes also make augury stronger for us? it moved up alot on bloodmallet

clever crag
#

Just a stat stick with str

misty iron
misty iron
#

not sure, but I think it's ava->WB->Roar

strong olive
#

hmm do people sim for M+ dungeon slice or 1min 5 targets ?

lucid summit
lone imp
#

In aoe it's more like... trinket/pot, charge, clap, cleave, roar, ava/wb, bs, cleave, ww, ss, op op etc

lucid summit
lone imp
#

Yeah because the duration of roar will last through hurricane and whatnot

#

the initial hit of roar is very little compared to the dot

lucid summit
#

thats the thing i dont really understand

lone imp
#

Because the other buttons you press will do more

lucid summit
#

Ok fair 🙂 ty

sacred zodiac
#

@astral yarrow @steep osprey ya box and Aagaard i have been wondering do you have decent friends like critcake i mean he always been playing with that ret paladin Qarva and the resto shaman laren for years , do you guys have m+ buddies that you enjoy playing with for 3-5 hours ?

lucid summit
#

sry for the confusion ❤️

rare kite
#

initial hit is pretty small and is reduced by armor

misty iron
somber lance
#

how stupid are you guys?

#

like less than average?

strange perch
#

Anyone know if remix will have bgs

gaunt owl
#

trying to kill my braincell with alcohol and stuff

#

they are resilient

silk spade
opaque citrus
silk spade
frigid lava
#

Just looted 509 puzzle box... hmm

tough steppe
#

am i the only guy that doesn't like aug for high keys?

lost kernel
#

How ominous trinket and icon work in live? I assume we wont meet top dps scenario(bloodmallet sims) in 95% cases, iam right? Specially in m+ pugs and raids

tough steppe
#

For M+ i'm using algethar and call to chaos

#

Call to Chaos procs so much it's insane

strange perch
#

Opinion of the emerald dream raid?

tough steppe
#

wdym

somber lance
strange perch
#

Debating on if I want to run it this week. Haven’t done it yet but from what I’m watching from guides kinda seems the more, idk more complicated?

tough steppe
lost kernel
#

My realgameplay scenario would be hc raids mb occasionally myth for 1-3 booses and pug m+, which trinket will net me top deeps?

tough steppe
#

+12 Azure Vault

#

Tank didn't knew how to do skips

#

Boomkin kept dying all the time

#

And we still did it in time

#

It was a damn miracle

opaque citrus
opaque citrus
#

It’s the freest dungeon of the season

#

By far

tough steppe
#

We don't need skips to time a AV, but it can be done faster

opaque citrus
#

I 2 chested a 13 AV without any skips

tough steppe
#

When you're pugging, anything over a +10 can be considered high tbh

opaque citrus
#

Not really

strange perch
#

Isn’t 10 the max right now?

wind vault
#

Are Sims for nelth correct? Cause it Sims kinda low

opaque citrus
tough steppe
#

For vault

frigid lava
#

+10 pug is high

strange perch
opaque citrus
strange perch
#

Honestly probably going to stick with 10 and below than

#

I’m a filthy casual

opaque citrus
frigid lava
#

yea when you clear all +10s... then u get tempted to try +11 and so on.

strange perch
#

Best way to handle that. Happy they are doing those higher tiers like that

lost kernel
#

Augury feels like underrated trinket, low in sims but doong 5+%+ of my damage, without rely on conditions like ominous trinket and icon

strange perch
#

Either way need to do my dungeons tonight or tomorrow so I can get one of my trinkets

tough steppe
#

Augury is decent but it doesn't proc a lot for us

strange perch
#

Want to at least try to do a normal raid too for a bullion drop

frigid lava
#

I'm so ready for another week of leggo not dropping.

#

also not buying ashkandur

#

beta warrior life

strange perch
frigid lava
#

what do u mean

tough steppe
#

uh no, you can't craft the legendary with a spark

opaque citrus
#

Crafting your mom

strange perch
#

Thought you meant legs.

frigid lava
strange perch
#

Leggos in my equal pants

frigid lava
#

Have an ember fellow warrior

strange perch
#

The legendary isn’t on the loot table, does it just drop

#

Like In adventure guide

frigid lava
#

If you get lucky

#

yes

#

It magically appears

sacred zodiac
#

it gets put in your inventory on kill ye

mild hound
#

I don’t think I would have played warr/pal/dk this season without the Leggo, oof. Such a dps daddy for arms w it

frigid lava
#

I'm about 518 without leggo

mild hound
#

Like going from goku to krillin

frigid lava
#

ppl think i have leggo... then underdps

reef glade
#

like combined 900k dps overall seems kind of sketch

opaque citrus
reef glade
#

unless tank just pulling astronomically slow

#

na..

nova wigeon
#

the spear is still good for raid mono ?

wind vault
#

Guys how about aoe in execute phase? Do we use MS instead of Cleave to consume executioners precion stacks?

frigid lava
#

MS over cleave unless u gonna hit 4+ targets with the cleave

#

also why not just sweep strike

wind vault
#

Sweeping strike have CD so it's not always up? So bassicly just ignore exe precision in 4+ targets?

teal fossil
robust tundra
#

can someone tell me what kinda weak aura or addon is that when a mob targets you with a spell you get a alert? so that you are better ready to click that SpellReflect.

sudden crest
#

i have full rage, 2 stacks of overpower, what i do? press slam to dump rage? overpower again even if rage full? clap? so many questions

charred brook
#

Press ms

#

Or whirlwind

#

Or TC

sudden crest
#

tc > slam?

charred brook
#

Yes

sudden crest
#

even on st?

charred brook
#

Yes

sudden crest
#

can just drop slam from the bar

charred brook
#

No

#

You use it as a last resort

#

If you have literally nothing else

sudden crest
#

overpower/ms w/e charges they have just yolo right?

outer holly
#

Charges don't matter, rage doesn't matter, we only follow the priority list

supple prism
#

Do BS ticks consume Irideus Fragment?

gaunt owl
#

no

reef birch
#

is there a sure way to tell when third boss in uldaman is gona fire his dot?

#

my timers for that spell in particuar are all over the place and i cant precast reflect

gaunt owl
astral yarrow
reef birch
#

immeditely or is there a delay?

astral yarrow
#

very often a delay or maybe another cast, but usually if you SR right after the knockback you'll catch it

silk spade
#

i just look at the spell cds on nameplate and sometimes it queues something else when shards is available deadge

gaunt owl
#

yeah because he always first recast his stun immunity

#

boss with spell queue are weird

#

they shouldnt exists it always create some problem

upper coyote
#

anyone can tell me why Enduring Dreadplate sims/ bloodmallet say that its good for multitarget arms ?

silk spade
#

cause it explodes at the end of the buff

#

you don't need to be tanking to use the trinket

#

or for the trinket to work, rather

upper coyote
#

somebody using it and can show a dungeon dmg breakdown ?

alpine burrow
#

Hey guys! If I clear amirdrassil in mythic, do I still need to do it in heroic for another shot at the leggy? And what about the greater and lesser embers, will I be able to get more in heroic?

outer holly
#

no, yes

alpine burrow
#

Ohh I thought doing it in mythic would mean that I won’t be able to receive any more greater or lesser embers in heroic

#

Because if we are able to get more embers in heroic after already doing it on mythic, isn’t it then beneficial to also do it on heroic even if you’ve done it on mythic? (The thing is, most people I’ve asked told me that if I did it on mythic, there’s no point in doing if on heroic anymore)

astral yarrow
#

highest difficulty and you're done

random ibex
#

Anyone know the command to sim howling/buzzing runes in sims?

alpine burrow
astral yarrow
frigid fjord
#

is there a bug with Bloodletting where Mortal Strike applies Rend even if the target is above 35% hp?
Had multiple cases where I cast 1 Mortal Strike on a mob with 100% hp and rend gets applied

boreal quartz
#

happens openworld ye

noble anvil
#

what do you guys do to lower the stress on gpu in nymue ? my screen blacksout during that fight yet my gpu didnt even overheat

#

same thing with rashok and the first boss in hoi but i guess they fixed that boss

lilac fossil
#

does anyone run 6-8 keys? how much dmg should I be seeing overall in dungs

#

I see around close to 400k, but not sure if I see should be seeing more. Packs die pretty quick so assume this should be fine?

boreal quartz
somber lance
#

is the gnoll trinket any good

#

never heard anyone speak about it

#

assume its trash

spiral locust
#

does colossus smash affect rotation? don't see a mention on the priority list

boreal quartz
#

sims dece is shit

spiral locust
boreal quartz
#

unless boss is about to go immune or so

boreal quartz
noble anvil
boreal quartz
#

but thats not end all be all

boreal quartz
outer holly
neon jasper
#

What % of dmg is fyrakk Lego for yall

outer holly
#

6-7

limber bear
#

so i am still trying to read this (someone hit me with the pepe with the glasses trying to read a page) and understand what the best aoe/m+ trinkets are.

Obviously OCE is on top, but i can only have one of those, and if i can get rid of this puzzle box, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO because i don't like having to stand still and cast

sacred zodiac
#

do you know what fight style this graph is simming

limber bear
#

got it from wowhead, it just says "multitarget"

sacred zodiac
#

im gonna be real with you you're not gonna get rid of puzzle box if you want to play optimally

limber bear
#

so oce + puzzle box is best for m+?

sacred zodiac
limber bear
#

thank

tough steppe
#

Puzzle Box DPS increase is just too big

sacred zodiac
tough steppe
#

Or Call to Chaos

limber bear
#

gotcha

sacred zodiac
#

if you're playing low keys

limber bear
#

MOST of the time (at least for now) i am pugging or the rest of the guild group doesn't yet have an OCE (i don't either, the only really good trinket i have rn is a heroic signet brand i pulled out of my vault)

#

i'm just trying to get my trinkets sorted out in my head, raid/st is OCE + Signet brand* (assuming fight goes longer than 4 minutes)

M+ is what i am unsure about

hallow turtle
#

Next week should be your OCE from bouillons

sacred zodiac
#

if you're not gonna touch mythic raid you should stick to puzzle box

#

(im assuming you are since hc vault)

foggy aurora
#

get em alex

limber bear
#

should be, but that's why i'm here trying to understand and learn more

sacred zodiac
#

even then only the final 2 bosses last long enough to extract signet value

sacred anvil
#

Some people are trying to learn the very very complex pve scene u shouldn't talk shit on them for questions this discord is about bringing us together and learning together no wonder we can't get new players

foggy aurora
#

thats all you need to know

sacred anvil
#

🫡

#

Zug zug

strange basalt
#

which 1 of the aoe builds is recommended for starting out with low gear for doing dungeons

rare kite
#

the 1 bladestorm build(warlords torment)

strange basalt
#

ty

#

also what are people crafting

somber lance
#

vers wrists

#

and BSL

#

or double BSL

obtuse eagle
#

If we dont have the leggo weapon what should our first buy with bullions be?

rare kite
#

if you aren't close to getting leggo get ashkandur

strange basalt
#

how can you tell if you are close to getting the leggo? XD you can get lucky with rng any week

rare kite
#

if you have killed fyrakk like 12 times then you're pretty close to guaranteeing it

#

on heroic

sudden crest
#

what builds u guys using on this m+ week?

meager willow
#

are you guys going for pocket anvil or cataclysmic ?

strange basalt
opaque citrus
#

He said warlords torment lmao

strange basalt
#

?

#

i dont see a warlords torment on wow head

somber lance
#

its the 1 BS build

opaque citrus
wary raft
#

choice node with blademasters

opaque citrus
#

Just the other option

strange basalt
#

build options on wow head

somber lance
#

warlords mate

#

warlords bladestorm

#

is the one you want

strange basalt
#

ok ty

deft seal
#

How do I convince my ret friend to buy OCE with me this reset?(instead of him just getting anvil)

outer holly
#

Tell him keeping anvil up an entire dungeon is harder than performing ret's rotation

obtuse eagle
#

What buff do we take in AA?

errant bough
#

speed zooooom!!

grand idol
#

I take vers cause its 5% flat damage and some dr.

#

haste might and I stress the might be ever so slightly more damage but its certainly not worth the 2.5% dr in my mind.

swift crown
#

Vers is not 5% flat damage

grand idol
#

huh, of course it is. Any damage you deal is increased by 5% with that buff. Why would it not

swift crown
#

Funnily enough 5% Vers in AA is generally more than 2.5% DR

swift crown
#

the buff puts you at 40%

#

1.4/1.35 ~= 1.037

#

or 3.7% more damage

outer holly
#

warrior math

grand idol
#

I think it increases your character sheet stat doesnt it?

swift crown
#

I do not play Warrior ty

grand idol
#

I would have to go in and see now

swift crown
#

how does that matter

grand idol
#

Then its only one calculation not two.

swift crown
#

???

#

You previously had a damage multiplier of 1.35 from your 35% Vers

#

after the 5% buff you have a 1.4 multiplier

fossil pecan
#

started playing arms for ST raid fights after nearly 2 years fury, and my logs are very bad. any1 willing to look into some? am i doing something wrong in the rotation or what?

swift crown
#

1.4 multiplier is 3.7% higher than 1.35 multiplier

#

IF you had exactly 0% Vers it would give you 5% more damage

#

Funnily enough it works the opposite way for the DR component of Versatility

#

That one gets BETTER the more Vers you have

outer holly
grand idol
#

100 dmg, modified by 20% vers is +20. modified by 25% vers is 25 damage, an increase of 5%

sacred zodiac
#

you deal 120 damage with 20% versatility

#

you now gain 5% versatility so you have 25% versatility

#

you now deal 125 damage

#

is 120->125 a 5% damage increase?

dawn stag
sacred zodiac
dawn stag
#

so adding 5% is ANOTHER 5%

#

AH!

quasi torrent
#

this is the lore here!

sacred zodiac
#

what the fuck!!! path of exile lore

swift crown
sacred zodiac
#

three maths students meet

quasi torrent
#

ig i dont finish my degree

#

gg

sacred zodiac
#

gg go next

swift crown
#

was a good run

dawn stag
quasi torrent
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i do not think we'd kiss

swift crown
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I would kiss fellow math student spongie

sacred zodiac
dawn stag
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I have footage anda

quasi torrent
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okay

zinc dirge
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Could anyone answer me just how important fyralath is for doing good damage? I see the fellow arms warrior in my guild do 300k+ dps ST whilst i struggle to break 200 with ashkandur

minor gust
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I can tell u this that's not Lego diff

sacred zodiac
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very important but also you're probably also being skill and gear diffed

zinc dirge
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Like on a dummy i can probs do 220k, but i struggle on boss fights

somber lance
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whats your ilvl

zinc dirge
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512

sacred zodiac
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@halcyon breach

outer holly
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Leggo overall depends on how well you perform, but it should be somewhere ~6% +/- 1 iirc

halcyon breach
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@sacred zodiac

zinc dirge
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So i guess its just a git good issue then... Following a rotation through hekili really isnt helping me then

somber lance
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post logs in logs channel

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for people to help you

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idk how reliable the hekili is

zinc dirge
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Well i felt it helped me consistently have something to press just dont know if it was the RIGHT thing to press

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But yeah ill post a log if i can find it

fossil pecan
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just posted a log if any arms expert can loook into it

minor gust
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Hekili is fine if your really new but it doesn't really help you understand your rotation and why you press what buttons

rare kite
teal fossil
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Good

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That being said

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I know someone who parsed a 4 on sark full following hekili

minor gust
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He died on the fight right

quasi torrent
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nah

sudden crest
outer holly
rare kite