arms

[shadow ibex]

youre aoeing anyway

executes role in multi target kinda awk

when DN slaps so hard

[verbal marten]

@reef glade swordfish do u have any mre chinese /yells for the bosses

Thunder Dragon 基爾紮紮德 Beam kill 冰精灵 Breath toxic IT KILL EVERYONE??? 危險地上的圓圈 Shield Will break 朋友是敵人 The breath comes for us 怪物不死族出現 Sacrificial druids die like this

[reef glade]

yea but i dont wanna log in

arent they literally in our dms

[deft ember]

Mortal strike damage modifiers:
50% 2x martial prowess
70% 2x executioners precision
30% colossus smash 20% avatar
~30% mastery
8% tier set 4 pc
30% hurricane

And then you have trinket procs (iridius frament is 8-10k strength), racial buffs, sophic devotion, etc

[verbal marten]

3 of em

i want mroe

:3

[reef glade]

yea i dont got more than that

[verbal marten]

ahh

[silk spade]

send

[inner wasp]

i wanna collect these

[reef glade]

ask chech

:3

[verbal marten]

Thunder Dragon 基爾紮紮德 Beam kill 冰精灵 Breath toxic IT KILL EVERYONE??? 危險地上的圓圈 Shield Will break 朋友是敵人 The breath comes for us 怪物不死族出現 Sacrificial druids die

orange man 橙色人 fire roots 火根 eat balls 吃丸子 heal ghost 治愈鬼魂 stop scream 停止尖叫 Eliminate all political opponents 消灭所有政治对手 watch laser 观看激光 go seed 去种子 save tree 拯救树

powerful chicken 强力鸡 dodge magic swirl 闪避魔法漩涡 flying dragon 飛龍 birdman become tree 鳥人變樹 soak the seed 浸泡种子 excavator 挖掘机

[compact geyser]

seismic is fine. i tried running this with mbg a cpl times but it just didnt feel like it did in sl so i went back to this

[proud plover]

skyhold lfr

[proud plover]

no its really bad

[shadow ibex]

a third of a third

[proud plover]

^^

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-pow-enter-the-fist-net-fish-trap-gif-12105276

[inner wasp]

theres 3 more

[silk spade]

the last one is goated

[inner wasp]

im a big fan of "go seed, save tree"

personally

[verbal marten]

i need these

[jade basalt]

Those stupid letters annoy me af

[verbal marten]

too bad

[compact geyser]

ok so run what ? the only thing i would swap it for would be hones reflex for OP cdr but thats not needed cuz of the resets it already gets.

[proud plover]

free utility

hero leap cdr is always nice

[compact geyser]

i just alternate between op and cleave and fill with ww

[proud plover]

yeah but that pos talent doesnt do whatt it says it does

[latent moss]

you ww on cd

its highest prio

if you play fob like deswind

then u use it to fill

[shadow ibex]

whens cleave with fob build that shit breaks my brain

too used to WW CD

probably thinking too much

cleave whenever its up

[compact geyser]

ill give it a cpl runs tonight and see how it goes. im not saying ur wrong im just telling how ive been playing it so far. def could missing out. ill check it out

i dont run fob

dafuq

[shadow ibex]

seismic is super bad regardless of your feels

it doesnt do any dmg

[compact geyser]

i didnt mean "fill" like slam's a "filler" i meant that if i cant op or cleave and i can ww then i do

[shadow ibex]

i mean tecnically numbers will increase but its very tiny

[proud plover]

WTF did they change target dummies????????

[shadow ibex]

to give context, whirlwind is an attack that hits 3 times to do its full tooltip dmg

[brittle cosmos]

should we use bladestorm before roar to buff it ?

[proud plover]

why am i hitting for 3 lmfao

[brittle cosmos]

also, where in the opener do we pop lego ?

[compact geyser]

wait how does it not do something. it adds 30% of spell's damage onto it. minimal as it might be like u said. thats still positive dps. so thats not nothing

[proud plover]

its not 30%

[latent moss]

vanilla numbers

[shadow ibex]

seismic adds another hit at 30% dmg, meaning this attack that already has its dmg split into 3 33% hits, gets a 4th hit that does 30% of the dmg of the regular hit. so 30% of 33%

[latent moss]

when math maths

its bad

very bad

sure its some damage

but utility>>>>>

[compact geyser]

but warriors dont bring util remember

[shadow ibex]

whirldwind isn't 1 hit for 15k dmg, it is 3 hits that combine to do that dmg, each dealing 33% roughly. take seismic and you get 1 more hit, but its dealing 30% of the hits that already deal 33% of 15k in this example

its very insignificant

honestly too low on the tree for how weak it is

[compact geyser]

ur smarter then i am with this math shit so im not arguing. i just tried a build i saw and it performed well so i stuck with it. ill change it up and see

[shadow ibex]

dropping the point isnt gonna change the build really. you can get some utility and it will be better tbh

[compact geyser]

at least im not linking some MBG shenanigans

[proud plover]

is anyone elses trraining summies taking less damage?

[shadow ibex]

pvp?

[proud plover]

no in valdrrakken - look at this shit

[shadow ibex]

i mean pvp target dummy

[proud plover]

oh what the actual fuck

[shadow ibex]

but if ur hitting the cleave then idk

but yea pvp dmg is reduced

[proud plover]

im in combat with it from dots

so the pvp aura applies to everything elsee lmao

[brittle cosmos]

should we try to get bladestorm buff before roar ?

[proud plover]

roar > bladestorm so roars dot gets full hurricane value and frees up globals inside hurricane for actual hard hitting abilitiees

[shadow ibex]

most of the dmg is the dot you'd only need to BS during the dot yea

[brittle cosmos]

that makes sense. thank you

so where does warbreaker come in then ?

after Bladestorm ?

[proud plover]

you can wb before for a bigger bladestorm or wb after for a longer ss window

before is prolly morre fluid and again saves a global in hurricane window

eg avatar+roar > wb > bladestorm > ss > op/ww/cleave whatever you trying to do depending on mob count all that stuff

[brittle cosmos]

but then ofc we have the lego, and want to apply rend with TC

yah ?

[proud plover]

i cant tell you the highest dps in that bcause im not playing it, im playing m+ jugg/no cleave and sending everything on huge mortal strikes to a prio target

yeah like charge > tc > leggo > ava+roar

[brittle cosmos]

gotcha

[wild heart]

Jugg build is still good?

Even without extra procs?

[proud plover]

for prio damag yes its amazing

im not your averrage arms warr tho

im not running cleave so every single op buff gets sent on ms

[bright stump]

did arms get buffed going into s4 or what? seemes alot stronger now than in s3/s2

[proud plover]

s1 tier set buffed and with the class changes/tuning since s1 it trucks very hard

[bright stump]

do i need the legendary to truck hard?

[proud plover]

no, leggo is just a bigger truck

[bright stump]

i thought the s1 teir sets of all specs sucked or were very boring since blizz made generic sets cuz of the new talent tree system

almost all specs got s2 or s3

lol

is arms hard to play?

or more difficulity than other specs by some margin?=

[proud plover]

easier imo

its a simple prio rotation that changes based on target count/talents chosen

and execute phase got alot simpler from s3

its now MS > 3 globals > MS

[latent moss]

s1 tier set is anything but boring

sure it sounds boring

but is very fun to play

massive numbers

everywhere

[proud plover]

a nice change fom this fuckery

[latent moss]

there are only 2 people to blame for this

[verbal marten]

Smoldy feels good

[proud plover]

ret above and below

i finally got to have some fun not tanking, forgot tto use my bsl neck 😦

[shadow ibex]

[elder zealot]

Is that chart above from Bigdan still correct for execute phase?
Execute x2 + OP x2 before using MS?

[proud plover]

no out of date - thats s3 tier

now its ms > 3 globals > ms

[elder zealot]

Got it, thanks!

[proud plover]

whats the average 5t sim for cleave/bs builds these days?

[fossil thistle]

Anyone good at frost mage that can help me go over a log? mage discord is useless and

[proud plover]

i mean

[sour forge]

You press ms then op

Not too hard

[proud plover]

drop food, buff ai, press mass barrier, press lust

[obsidian topaz]

do you WW during SS on 2 targets?

[fossil thistle]

@obsidian topaz if you have nothing to press

[outer holly]

Madox made a perfect video for out rotation priority

I don't remember his yt so @magic canopy

[fringe moon]

how are you guys speccing on Tindral? My group has has 1 affliction, 2 ret, and 2 bm and the roots are literally being deleted

[restive flax]

So I got a Hero track 2h ( smold sword ), already cleared normal and heroic amir, no leggo. My trinkets kinda suck. Should I spend Bullion on Ashcandi or perhaps a trinket?

[outer holly]

Asscandy is 1-2% damage increase over regular mythic (Depending on whether or not humanoid) It'll technically be your bis until you get leggo tho

so if you don't get a myth in vault it's probably worth it in the long run, but otherwise I'd try to wait for a myth weapon and get other upgrades that do something similar but won't be replaced

[clear tree]

how big is leggo weapon above other options?

[spare goblet]

When you say 3 globals, does that mean 3 executes?

[teal fossil]

2 of them should be executes

[teal fossil]

about 5%

[spare goblet]

And the other one?

[teal fossil]

either execute or op

[spare goblet]

Cool thank you

[limber solar]

Normal raid ST build. Can roar every other set of roots and otherwise use whirlwind, thunderclap, overpowers. Only losers pad on roots with BS builds.

[proud plover]

Exe x3 if over 40 rage, exe x2 op x1 if under 40 rage, exex2 +cs if avail is what I do

Did some sims earlier with dslice and frag is outperforming Pb at same ilvl

Frag+hooves trinket combo

[rapid bronze]

man I feel spoiled trinkets wise this tier, last week got nelth, grapple, blazebinder, this week augury, idol

[proud plover]

Great choices

[cursive sun]

i got signet for raid in vault, box farmed and nextweek im getting icon

i think im fine

now i just need pgrades

[proud plover]

And yet anvil says hi

[cursive sun]

yea but id rather get icon for m+

[rapid bronze]

and amid all this my sim is suggesting my haste pvp trinket because I'm not at 40% yet lmao

[proud plover]

Sims love haste, iftk gets better the more you have

[rapid bronze]

that trinket is pretty rad too tbh

has 35% uptime on its 2500 primary stat buff

which lasts 20 seconds

[prisma heart]

Spiteful storm OP u heard it here first

[gaunt owl]

its mid

[brittle rock]

if im not having an axe, and basicly never farmed it, should i even consider picking up the arms or no?

[boreal quartz]

Yes but youll have to start farming lol

[brittle rock]

what to buy for bullions then? Ashkandi?

[boreal quartz]

Yea

[brittle rock]

anybody knows the drop percentages and the increases by the weekly item?

or knowledge of this still varies from "1000 kills still no axe so 0.001%" to "yeah i dont know why you all not having it, got it from first try so 100% drop chance"

[dire hinge]

there was a write-up back in february about it here:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamining-fyralath-legendary-drop-rates-bad-luck-protection-values-revealed-337807

this is basically what you want to know, where "1" is equal to "100%"

[zinc python]

Is this an acceptable dps on dummy? Feels like it went down a lot since yesterday. (Meme's aside just found the dummies in valdraken being broken amusing)

[dire hinge]

i saw a DK crit for "2" damage earlier lol

[zinc python]

Yo!

[dire hinge]

yuge

imagine doing one damage

now imagine doing a second

[gaunt owl]

2

[quick marlin]

I love this so much. “2” hahahaha

[dire hinge]

big bold crit two 💀

[brittle rock]

lol it even starts to drop on 3d week only

well

i have 3 characters

lets see which one will get it first 😄

[dire hinge]

good luck!

just remember that you only have to kill it once a week, on the highest difficulty you can

[brittle rock]

and will it even happen before 11.0

[brittle rock]

yeah i know

dont have nor the ilvl nor time to kill it on normal and higher tho

so lfr it is

[proud plover]

any 5t cleave sim to compare?https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qmiCwPUbQXPyULXA2iKXih

[flat grotto]

ATLAST we have it!

[proud plover]

grats

nice pic ❤️

[flat grotto]

Thx! I thought it looked pretty epic!! Staring off into the war within!!!!

[dire hinge]

grats!

[brittle rock]

how to sim the arms?

for m+

the closest possible from the standart choice, i mean excluding all those shenanigans with dungeron routes etc

is dslice good?

[proud plover]

its supported yes, still no perfect way to sim m+ tho

[brittle rock]

yeah i dont need perfect, i need something at least somewhat representative

to sim vendor purchases 🙂

[proud plover]

generally multiple st/5t/10+t with varying time lengths

[brittle rock]

fuck and everybody started simming when i started simming

waiting for the queue for 3 minutes, started 85-th, now im 94-th

[proud plover]

could be worse - could have plugged in almost 1k combinations, simmed for 1.5 hours to see a 3% dps gain from vers bracer and all the rest being less than .02% difference

[brittle rock]

3% is 3%

https://tenor.com/view/3take-it-or-leave-it-three-take-it-or-leave-it-sbs-patrick-gif-15037514

[proud plover]

3% from 1 combination and 990+ other combinations for <.02%- just sim vers bracer!

keep forgetting to swap corrupting rage for vers phial in sims :

[brittle rock]

how does the leggo actually drops btw

quest item or what?

[dire hinge]

it's personal loot that gives you a quest on pickup

[brittle rock]

k

[proud plover]

weapon drops, you equip it, it almost kills you, quest popup

[brittle rock]

let me guess, something like "broken fyralath" or "too hot fyralath"?

[dire hinge]

i dont remember the name of the quest, but yeah it's too hot to handle

[flat grotto]

its so hot you have to kill 35 rares and do 6 superblooms to be able to handle it xD oh and spend like 200k

[brittle rock]

are "your mama" jokes apropriate in this discord? 😄

[dire hinge]

i asked my mom and she said it's fine if it's okay with your mom

[flat grotto]

Only in classic era channels where jokes like that belong

[brittle rock]

yeah, well, the difference is interesting

[brittle rock]

ok then

[brittle rock]

like your mama

[dire hinge]

[proud plover]

dslice wants double on use 😦

[latent hull]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[dire hinge]

i trust and love the sim, but also: im not gonna do double on use

it keeps trying to tell me to with Puzzlebox and Branch

[proud plover]

thats with using irid frag + idol trinket so yeah fuck double on use

[dire hinge]

but number, but also consider: "little centaur guy gives me speed and it's passive"

pretttyyy coooool

[brittle rock]

by my sim grieftorch is the top trinket in dslice, but i se literally 0 people using it in top r.io ranks

[proud plover]

no mass either

[dire hinge]

yeah, top runs rarely have many deaths, it's what makes them top runs

[proud plover]

wait why the fuck is imp slam in there omg

[dire hinge]

haha

[gaunt owl]

you done goofing

[dire hinge]

you can have a little Imp. Slam, as a treat

[gaunt owl]

no IP is what caught my eyes

[proud plover]

rofl

[gaunt owl]

i'm slamming my desk

[proud plover]

nah i dont run ip, i like dw trickle healing

[gaunt owl]

its shit !

[proud plover]

this is keys up until +8, dont need it

interresting my m+ jugg without cleave build only 10k behind it in dslice

[dire hinge]

iirc jugg oversims a bit due to being able to upkeep your jugg stacks, which isn't always possible in real keys

though in M+10 or higher keys this week, Spiteful does make it easier to do

[proud plover]

im looking for tyrran and fort build varience for my enjoyment

jugg for big boss and bladestorm/cleave for big trash - eg halls small pulls is always going to be jugg for me and aa will always be bstorm

basically same gameplay except press execute or press cleave+bladestorm

[ebon garden]

Hey guys, just want to know why we dont play anymore merciless bonegrinder ?

[dire hinge]

it's mostly because that talent would get the most benefit out of running the "double bladestorm" build, which has generally fallen out of favor because it heavily detracts from our single target, while not adding much AoE for it

[proud plover]

ww does dog damage unless sos talented

you can mess about with mbg/hurricane/double bladestorm in a fob/collat build tho

but op/dn cleave is just too good to make it worth

[ebon garden]

okay i can understand that

so basically on 5+ target you just ss/op/cleave ?

did you wait stacks for cleave or on cd ?

[proud plover]

ss op and cleave only with 2 stacks of op or if targets need dw

[ebon garden]

okay

of no two stacks you sujt WW/tc ?

[proud plover]

#updates-midnight message

[dire hinge]

it flows pretty well once you get the hang of it

[proud plover]

yeah doesnt feel clunky ever which im enjoying now

[honest girder]

Anyone know the spell reflect WA that critcake uses?

[proud plover]

pretty sure it be spell reflect essentials

https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg/28

[honest girder]

Hmmm, mine looks different and doesn’t tell me what I’ve reflected

Maybe customised?

[proud plover]

the /say part is another weak aura

[honest girder]

Nah not that

In his WA it says what he’s reflected on his HUD

I’ll shout him when I see him online

[proud plover]

https://wago.io/gDJ5XzNk1/2

you can turn off ther /say and it just shows in the ui

^^ only works inside dungeons recently discovered

[honest girder]

Oh ok, I’ll have a play when I get home - thanks

[proud plover]

can we do it - 40/40/30/20

[steep osprey]

possible

just annoying to get

[proud plover]

but we are so close

[ebon garden]

as a first craft upgrade, should i go allied bracers ? or shadowflamme patch (i dont have legendary, but i just get the ring) so more proc on ring ? actually having ashkandur

[proud plover]

you gotta sim it

vers gives survivability+damage - sflame deals damage to you also - not always about top 1% damage

[austere willow]

What's the play between icon and oce?

[turbid plinth]

Pretty much depends on group. If your group all run oce, it’s king. But icon is better when no one runs it. Some healers run icon, that makes icon pretty good.

[austere willow]

That's more towards raid environment I take it as well. Dungeons on the other hand?

[turbid plinth]

Same goes for dungeons

[austere willow]

I mean the likelihood of everyone having an OCE vs 3 people having Icon

[turbid plinth]

I run a premade, my healer has icon. So icon is best for me. No one runs oce

[proud plover]

if tank+heals using icon = bis and oce bis if all 5 flights active in all content

[austere willow]

Yeah, just from a probability pov I guess

[turbid plinth]

When pugging, icon is usually the safer bet

[proud plover]

you wont find tanks using it tho

i mean why they wearing icon when rageheart exists

[austere willow]

Fair point. So at most I take it it'd be 2 on icon

[proud plover]

yeah unless your running a full premade all agreeing to use them

[austere willow]

looks like a 0.2 increase personally from 3 icon to all OCE

Alright, so the increase is marginal if we compare full on full. Guess it's more of a - what type of content and with who you're running

[soft fox]

you wont get full icon eithr

0 tanks run icon

[austere willow]

full on dps+healer is a 0.3

[proud plover]

what sim is this btw

[austere willow]

Personal sim

dungeon slice

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wkzV8sJukpLUmUyJXmB85P

[scenic umbra]

I did smolderon as arms yesterday, Im traumatized

Tindral seems another traumatic experience

Save avatar for roots or risk it to lasers?

[outer holly]

You progged myth smoldy in a day? That's decent work

[narrow drift]

I gotta ask, why is Feisty Fish Sticks my SimC Recommended food when I run Droptimizer??

Any sim, actually

[outer holly]

secondaries have outscaled main stat food for at least 2 seasons now

[narrow drift]

Really!?

Wow, no kiddin'

Shows how much I've kept up ^//^

Gotta craft a piece with a Flavor Pocket so I can maximize that

[steel sand]

erm guys, why traning dummy take like 0 damage

[obsidian wave]

go to Org

[narrow drift]

Cleave Training Dummies are broken right now for some reason

They have, like, 99.9% DR

[obsidian wave]

only in Vald they are bugged

[opaque lake]

I was partied up with a friend a few minutes ago and they were bugged for him and worked just fine for me despite being the same dummies. My details showed him doing damage just fine while his details showed me doing no damage.

Think whatever is happening with them is stranger than just a DR bug lol

[simple wren]

😱 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/35

[wind vault]

How do You SIM for m+? Or it's best to just do Patchwerk 5min?

[honest girder]

Inc more rerollers

[hallow vale]

melee gang 💪

gymbros takeover

[halcyon breach]

Just do patchwerk 5 min 1 target

[dire vale]

Hello warriors! So, I followed the advice from discord to improve in fury last season and I'm finally comfortable with the spec!
Today I realize that the ARM is better! with the aim of being the best, do you confirm and how to understand the new rotation? I NEED HELP & YOUR THANK YOU
(if you are french dm me for help 🙂 )

[cerulean swan]

if you take the point out of massacre into bloodborne, is it even worth running executioners prefision?

[outer holly]

That's a pretty anti-synergistic sounding build at that point

what are you trying to cook up?

[quasi torrent]

its still a reasonable ST option, but i wouldnt run 2/2 BB in keys (unless all ure chasing is big numba on first pull algethar)

[chilly hull]

what is the percent value of haste you guys find makes arms playstyle smoooooth?

[outer holly]

when iftk kicks in with 40% the rotation feels suuuuper smooth, so I'd say ~50% naturally

I don't know if we'll ever achieve that number naturally though with properly simmed gear

[somber lance]

Am i ever gonna get dead gcds? In raid yesterday i had few instances where MS/TC/ww/op were all on cd

For a split second

Am i capping?

🧢

[halcyon breach]

It can happen, and in those cases would be where you can slam

[outer holly]

I feel like I was getting them quite regularly tonight in amirdrassil but it's probably a case of negative reinforcement or w/e that fallacy is called

[somber lance]

I took slam off bars as suggested

Fuck

Needs to go back in

[outer holly]

Yeah dead GCDs feel awful even if it's a barely noticeable dps loss

[still tapir]

well well after 31 aa

[outer holly]

I swear I need a WA to scream at me to cast that

the cast time messes with me

[cerulean swan]

i saw critcake running 2/2 bb for solid aoe gain for 1% ST loss

[hasty valve]

Hello, I have a bullion question, i already have the Seal of Diurna in champion and Fyralath. Im only doing M+, Call to chaos seems a good choice seems i do a lot of pug, am i correct ?

[manic stirrup]

massacre is a pretty fucking useless talent in keys

said this in s2 and im saying it again

[gaunt owl]

Stop lying

[outer holly]

#arms message

he speak da true true

[dull siren]

bro went back 7 or 8 months

to find a bad comment

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1230539998898684057.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[empty jetty]

Hmmm, what to get with bullions 🤔

[boreal quartz]

Scrolling is a job

[dull siren]

What do I get with my next bullion @boreal quartz

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dgeLkpS3ALr3v8kzUdqkR7

[boreal quartz]

Get punched in the dick

[dull siren]

It says it's all minus DPS

[boreal quartz]

Mainly

Boon for dathea

Padding is important

[somber lance]

Only 417k at 524ilvl

Find god

[dull siren]

wat the flip

[somber lance]

[boreal quartz]

U know it doesnt cao at 445 anymore

[outer holly]

535 seal 12k downgrade

[somber lance]

Unethical use of brand and anvil

[boreal quartz]

Cap

[dull siren]

BSL Ring

[outer holly]

ohhh me dummy

[dull siren]

it's fine OCE is 300 DPS increase

if it goes Versa stat

[somber lance]

What’s the updated top sim with absolute bis?

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pjYUyrfZc9AnU4BhAnXys5

probs add 2k ish DPS

Since 2x BSL is better than vers wrists

Fyrakk Mythic 43% Uptime

That's 1k+ value in BSL over Vers Wrists in sims

[somber lance]

Not too far off

Double bsl with cloak gamer status

Couldnt be me

[misty yew]

I'm sure there was a WA that rings once you had the buff, crit used to have it - can someone link the WA

[storm lark]

Do you guys run SoA or improved sweeping on juggernaut m+ build?

[naive sage]

Personally I would go SoA with cleave, SS without

And yes I’ve been playing without cleave lately and it’s nice imho

[slow saddle]

A M G just read the dk changes ... how come they get to cook this much

[exotic horizon]

Guys is arms still better than fury in mythic plus ?

[slow saddle]

id say its close

so play what u like

[honest girder]

Not necessarily, it’s more a flavour thing

[fiery ember]

theoretically yes due to the big pulls exceeding fury's aoe cap. if you cant play arms however, then you play whichever rotation your good at

[slow saddle]

but if mainly pugging

just play what u like

[honest girder]

The pulls will be smaller pugging and as such benefit Furys toolkit more

Bigger pulls lean to arms

[fiery ember]

i dunno man at 8s i tend to see big pulls from tanks 😄

[honest girder]

But then if you are pugging it’s likely you will get shitcanned for meta

[honest girder]

At 8s it doesn’t matter at all

[fiery ember]

at 10s i feel ST takes priority, and atm fury is somewhat lacking 😦

[honest girder]

Both will perform

[honest girder]

Not on fort weeks

[quasi torrent]

u buy grieftorch for when u do the "shamans and alts chain die" strat

[dull siren]

real

[quasi torrent]

i mean its not a joke

[naive sage]

That’s exactly how the ret pala in my guild is beating me as top dps by 2k every boss

[quasi torrent]

2k

thats so much olly shit dood!!!!

[naive sage]

His grieftorch is like 18%-20% of his damage

Flamethrower paladin

Literally

[clever crag]

Thats like human to blood elf difference

[outer holly]

Grieftorch LFR BIS

[clever crag]

Are grieforch logs invalid ?

[naive sage]

My point is, if he didn’t use it and/or people didn’t die so often, he would not benefit that much from it

[somber lance]

People still believe warrior is shit regardless of it being arms or fury

Probably even get declined more if you’re arms

[naive sage]

“Probably”

[somber lance]

Even tho its technically better

Especially tyran week

Dont @ me

[vast creek]

I'm at 2.9k IO - and get declined for +7s as Arms. I felt that.

[left talon]

If it makes you feel better you are getting declined by 150k dps non monster drinking rats

[outer holly]

pug life, expect the healer, tank and at least 1 of the DPS to be incapable of handling a single affix, no room for warriors

[lost kernel]

So meta are spriest fmage and invoker?

By looking at raidoer.io

And which melee get more invites?

[somber lance]

I got declined from a +4 yesterday. Mage alone in group

Hate mages

[steady plover]

@lost kernel only ret paladin

@lost kernel if you are not ret and you dont have connections or friends you better make your own group

[lofty crater]

what's a good second buy for arms m+ ? Already got Ashkandur

[fresh spire]

[lost kernel]

Ok

[neon hedge]

Ok

[exotic horizon]

what i like is the one that do more dmg it can be a 1 button rotation and i would love it more .

[slow saddle]

well play ret

or shadowpriest then

[exotic horizon]

hahahha XD fuck no you tell warrior to play Paladin that an insult

[naive sage]

I guess and hope you don’t have legendary, btw it depends on what content you do, check the pinned messages

[slow saddle]

well if u wanna play 1 spec rotation with more dmg

Ret is basicly what arms could be after rework if it wasnt for the fact that blizzard reworks into a WORSE state

[exotic horizon]

i want to play 1 spec rotation that do more dmg and it have to be warrior

[naive sage]

Don’t play warrior go hunter bm or Ret paladin

[slow saddle]

and i C DK getting Meaningfull changes

[honest girder]

100% I still get declined, you often get comments at the end like wow arms is pretty good.

[slow saddle]

AND i can have riders of the apoc

i mean arms is very good

fury is very good

in keys atm

some are better

all depends at key lvl u play as well

some keylvls upfront silly burst is king

[naive sage]

Arms is not a 1 button spec at all and fury while being simpler it’s not as strong

[slow saddle]

well its not a rough spec to play at least imho

[exotic horizon]

i will be honest with you i will only do keys around 10 me and my friend to have fun . the most important thing is that my friend dont beat me in dps because we keep insulting each other XD i dont wanna get burn .

[naive sage]

Fury is easier but you need good stats

[exotic horizon]

from your answer it seam you are saying fury is easier and do good dmg but if played right arms will do more dmg .

and i also was told arms only is better with bigger pulls

due to adds dying fast in 10 + key dose that make overall dmg of fury higher most of the time ?

[proper moth]

Play the lizard you melt everything

[lost kernel]

With new 4p set arms rotation remains same as on season 3?

Or there is a tweaks

[dusky osprey]

Season 23, singel is exactrly the same. But there is two builds. One for hefty AOE and one more suited for Tyrra weak a mix build

[naive sage]

Precisely

[naive sage]

Arms needs time for dots to tick and ramp

[steady plover]

you keep asking like sissy , do you promote sissiness ?

[boreal quartz]

Do you think Drake will drop another Song

[sacred zodiac]

Who do u prefer

[boreal quartz]

I am with RoninX here

Kendrik is winning

@sacred zodiac Hosen check?

[sacred zodiac]

none

[boreal quartz]

I envy you

At work with Hosen

[sacred zodiac]

I am not at work and i am currently staring at hertwo

[boreal quartz]

Did you watch Leverkusen yesterday

[steady plover]

man lendrick nuked him to oblivion in astronomical time frame , i am not biased to anyone but drake is weak and his delivery is weak it's like listening to insecure transsexual teen who believe he/she is the victim in our sunshine and rainbow world .

[boreal quartz]

Drake is not a victim, if anything he's a predator xd

[lost kernel]

tnx

[lost kernel]

wdym like sissy?

[steady plover]

shaky disorder with feminine attitude towards behaving and asking semi-obvious question you could have known from fixed sources

[lost kernel]

but its socially acceptable these days? u didnt do training of diversity inclusivity? u strange

[proud plover]

wtf is training of diversity inclusivity?

[boreal quartz]

It's in the social contract

[proud plover]

and in St the prio is almost the same, making ms higher than sd MS > SD > OPx2> TC (if rend less than 12 secs) > WW - the exe rotation changes to MS > 3 globals > MS

[steady plover]

Lol

[somber lance]

If you guys still identify as only 1 gender in 2024, i pray for you

Sancho to win ballon d’or btw

[boreal quartz]

L

[proud plover]

wait we can be multiple genders at the same time?

[boreal quartz]

Easily the ref for the Bayern game

[proud plover]

i feel so old

[somber lance]

Hat trick against real madrid don’t quote me

[boreal quartz]

Game winner in important matches

[slow saddle]

its called gender fluid

kek

[somber lance]

Real refs are always goated

[boreal quartz]

If goated means biased

Probably

[lost forum]

Just did a drop Sim and it's saying spite storm followed by anvil, branch, manic and signet. But I never see storm, manic or branch talked about as good trinks to buy. Thoughts?

[somber lance]

right im done shitposting

B2w

[boreal quartz]

Spite is a 5 min sim trinket and even then it's mid

[opaque citrus]

Anecdotally it overperforms vs sims this season

[proud plover]

spite trink get you killed, grieftorch only really pumps when there is deaths and good groups dont die often, branch is good but move speed loss danger, anvil and brand are amazing IF you can keep stacks

[gaunt owl]

[boreal quartz]

Brad

[stiff wedge]

Brad the chad

Icon simming high for me

[proud plover]

jfc lol took me a while to see it lmao

[lost forum]

Ok, so I'm looking at anvil and signet as viable options right? Thinking anvil will be coming up, for a chance so maybe signet is the way to go?

Guess icon is an option too..

[little nova]

So I'm trying to find some good trinks to use for M+ and was wondering if this is a bait? Is ashes actually that good, or should I avoid it?

[stiff wedge]

You are simming dungeon slice?

What’s your other trinket?

[little nova]

I've got Icon as trink 1 and trink 2 is signet, and yes I believe it was dungeon slice

I probably should've taken a pic of it (can sim it again if needed) but ticking the little box to show variations still but all of those above my other trink just not as much

[stiff wedge]

I like a good on use for one of my trinkets

Ashes may just be the best in that group. Try puzzlebox or irideous fragment

Boon is bait. Too much movement in m+ to make it worth

I’d sim dungeon slice, single target 3-5min and 8 target boss 2min

But take what I say with a grain of salt

[lost forum]

Ok, hopefully last time I stress on this...need to buy 1 trink. I'm not a high m+ runner, but run a few with some friends. So...Icon? Signet? Anvil?

[stiff wedge]

What’s your other trinket?

[lost forum]

Season 3 signet and season 3 mirror

[misty yew]

does being flagged for pvp at the training dummies effect your dps on them

[little nova]

Yeah, I know about boon, just wasn't too sure about Ashes, since I've already got signet I was thinking of getting anvil to pair with it for ST, and then with next weeks bullion getting ashes if it's not bait, and then just trying to get rumble ruby through drops and pair them together

[little nova]

Thanks

[quiet rampart]

best order to buy items in? im so indecisive... i almost exclusively do m+ as arms, currently without the legendary

[stiff wedge]

Weapon, ring, trinket.

[lost forum]

Season 3 signet and season 3 mirror.

[stiff wedge]

Maybe not ring if you don’t have legendary

[strange perch]

Which trinkets should we spend our bullions on?

i already got the ring and still no legendary

[stiff wedge]

Icon Probly

[raven nymph]

It’s better in dslice sims since it should be aligned with your CDs for burst, but you do end up holding it. Falls off in a 5 min ST sim because of the alignments. Not to mention the haste loss in ST

[lost forum]

And hold onto season 3 signet, right?

[stiff wedge]

Depends on your pulls in m+. If you guys stay in combat for a long time, Probly. If not, mirror

[lost forum]

Ok, thanks

[little nova]

So, worth or nah? Just trying to work out the best combo for M+ for a pair of trinks and the best pair for ST, so I know what trinks to spend bullions on

[raven nymph]

Depends on what your group has. There’s no black and white answer. At this point Aug is very good for me in both ST and m+.

Farm a fragment if you want m+ burst

[little nova]

That's fair I suppose, I've not really got a set group, just pugging so my icon is basically worthless 😅

I just thought instead of wasting bullions on a bit of an ilvl upgrade, since I've already got wep, ring, signet and bought the cape, I'd try go for a trink that'd help out a bit, but there's so much choice lmfao

[dull siren]

OCE - If your whole grp has it.
Icon - If your healer + Tank is wearing it.
Call to Chaos - If no one is wearing trinkets above.
Pips
+
Puzzle Box / Ashes / Fragment / Pips or mix OCE + Icon + Call to Chaos

These are all the trinket you'd juggle in m+

OCE and Icon are better with grps

Call to Chaos good if you are alone.

Pips good if you are alone

[little nova]

Yeahhh, that's why I wanna ditch my icon 😂 I feel like it's so wasted

[dull siren]

Manic Grieftorch

is good

if you play

with dead people

[raven nymph]

The Dancing Dream Blossoms trinket which is a random chance from weekly is low key very good

Good enough I’ll grab shield ring next

[little nova]

Might possibly grab call to chaos, but it simmed so badly for me and people are just always saying about simming everything

[balmy sage]

Very Q question, say Im doing 350k dps in a dungeon, the lego on average would do 35k of that?

[raven nymph]

Call is good with an m+ build.

[dull siren]

You can sim kinda every situation.
Call is good if you play Reckless + Bladestorm.
Falls off a bit if you play with Juggernaut.

[little nova]

Alright gotcha gotcha, thank you

[inner wasp]

when do we clap in the opener

after or before smash

[inner wasp]

this is exactly what ive been doing

cool

what if aoe and bladestorm is there

bs after or before ww

or in place of ms

or do i cleave in place of ms

[inner wasp]

i see

[dull siren]

You can kinda mix it up a bit to w/e u like

You can Charge > Tclap > Cleave for the 4p as well

onto Warbreaker

[inner wasp]

i never have that much rage tbh

[brisk fjord]

i if you WW first after Warbreaker you get a second in before it wears of

[inner wasp]

yea doesn't this opener ignore 4pc for a while

[brisk fjord]

yeah im also thinking isnt it worth getting a cleave in first for the 4pc bonus?

[dull siren]

It's just ignoring it until after the ramp of Hurricane

[inner wasp]

ah

[dull siren]

I mean, I don't ever really follow any rotations myself.
Cause you kinda have to adapt to situation's in M+

While tank is gathering I will be thunderclaping and cleaving to spread dots and get 4p

It's all about adapting and setting up in M+

If you are doing a piss low key

you just send

all insta

and pack is dead

[inner wasp]

i gotta learn this

i get lost on what to do when tank is gathering

[dull siren]

While tank is gathering, Thunderclapping to spread Rend.
Cleave to get the 4p.

When it's gathered you just send Roar > Avatar + Warbreaker > WW > etc etc.
You don't have to do the whole "Opening Part".

If the tank has a lot of aggro on the mobs

you can send a few Overpowers

for the Cleave after Bladestorm

to be huge

but have to be careful with aggro

[brisk fjord]

yeah if you have Details, check and see how much Dreadnaught sometimes do and dont forget how great Overpower is in AOE.

[daring latch]

after the opener.. what’s the rotation looking like? Also is there anywhere I can these visuals to help me learn?

[zinc python]

Soo trying to improve my rotation a bit, is whirlwind with storm of swords always used on CD or just for tactician procs like thunderclap is?

(Also I hate that slam still exists XD)

[sly venture]

Are cleave training dummies broken? I do like 6 damage per second

[halcyon breach]

Luckily for you, Slam is rarely ever pressed anymore

As for when you press WW, the prio is essentially use it on CD in AoE, and in ST if you don't have MS

So
MS > WW > Sudden Death > Overpower > Thunder Clap > Slam in ST

[severe saffron]

[opaque citrus]

Yes

They’re level 1

For… reasons

(Best QA in the industry)

[sly venture]

Wow, I wonder how an update can do that..

Where is best place trying out Arms S4 cleave build then?

😄

[exotic knot]

prob just do a dungeon

maybe m0 so you dont have to pay attention to the mechanics

[pearl jasper]

Im a warrior noob, is there only two stances?

[sly venture]

3

Defensive, Battle and Forgot

[rare kite]

yes only 2 stances

[pearl jasper]

so just live in battle?

[zinc python]

That's thats what I needed to know, I was using MS>SD>OP>WW>Thunder Clap > Slam just need to adjust how I play it and make it more automatic

[rare kite]

ye

[livid cloak]

LOL

[zinc python]

I think that happens everytime I stack defensive stance 10 times on accident

[sacred zodiac]

what does this mean

[nimble yoke]

my sims suggest that spiteful storm is the best trinket i can get - is that bait? i only did a 5min 1 target sim

[quasi torrent]

blast more burst

[livid cloak]

The root you in place, do mega damage but you die trinket? Yeah it's bait

[quasi torrent]

no that's boon

Spiteful storm is quite good

[nimble yoke]

spiteful storm just ramps over time

[quasi torrent]

but nerds ramp time

[zinc python]

Just taking the piss, obviously its because all damage is scaled down to level 1, though I often forget to switch to battle stance sometimes so when I go test rotation on dummy I end up with defensive stance artifically deflating numbers

[sacred zodiac]

shouldnt be best in st tho

[nimble yoke]

not all the root stuff

[livid cloak]

Oh

[raven nymph]

Storm needs uptime and long kills.

[quasi torrent]

defo shouldn't be bis unless u have absolute dog gear

[nimble yoke]

yeah when i change it to 1 target 3 min it becomes the 5th best option

i have absolute dog gear

463 trinkets, 487 character

[quasi torrent]

(bis in this case meaning ur highest simming, which means i dont actually mean bis)

then ignore sim and play long game

[raven nymph]

Pips is a good all around trinket

[quasi torrent]

like oce, icon

[nimble yoke]

damn my healer just decided to not go icon because most of us don't have it lmao

is branch crazy annoying to play around?

gnarlroot one

and ashes as well

[quasi torrent]

branch isnt real either

all the on use dmg trinkets will look better than they are cause of your gear level

[raven nymph]

Ashes not great in ST. gnarlroot slows are annoying especially in keys.

[sacred zodiac]

where is signet in that sim

no shot spiteful sims higher than it

[nimble yoke]

well spiteful isn't on use but i get the point fs

signet is like

[quasi torrent]

on use flat dam

[nimble yoke]

7th best trinket?

but i already have one although its 463 lmao

[raven nymph]

Link the sim

[sacred zodiac]

just link the sim or

[nimble yoke]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kY2PC5ps9pS6Tg7k2JLjjg

this the 1 target 5 min one

low ilvl gamer

started playing warr again like 2 days ago lmao, technically my 4th this patch

[raven nymph]

Shit do the weekly dreamcache stuff. Get some 500 level gear

[boreal quartz]

Shit gear inflates raw damage

[quasi torrent]

yeah i mean signet being "low" makes sense

[raven nymph]

Instead of worrying about bullion

[quasi torrent]

cause all of the others are replacing ur snek

[boreal quartz]

And if you have zero haste siggie is worse

[quasi torrent]

not ur signet

[sacred zodiac]

ya ok coil is so garbage

[quasi torrent]

🐍

[boreal quartz]

Cheatsheet said BIS

[quasi torrent]

NOOOO

[sacred zodiac]

this is true and real

[raven nymph]

Do you have a top gear sim? Just curious what else is in your bags

[sacred zodiac]

spongeuwu has arrived in lfr to receive her bullions

[sacred zodiac]

just rip the string at the bottom

[raven nymph]

On mobile.

Can’t be arsed

[nimble yoke]

basically nothing other than like 447 crafted gear i think lol

i got a 391 lariat

[raven nymph]

Do the damn world content

lol

[nimble yoke]

done the weekly quest already

[raven nymph]

And the other empowered rewards?

[sly venture]

So do people really only use Cleave and MS with 2x MP? It feels so bad and boring.

[nimble yoke]

did like 4 +2s and lfr + normal so far

what are the other empowered rewards?

[quasi torrent]

shouldve joined our alt hc yday

[nimble yoke]

did the world boss

[raven nymph]

The rep turn in should be awakened I believe.

[regal prism]

Question: Having constant fire damage how often can Eranog's ring can proc?

[nimble yoke]

oh yes i did that too, pretty sure i got nothing good

[raven nymph]

No way the dream cache items aren’t upgrades

If you’re that low

[nimble yoke]

tbh i think i got 2 cloaks

and i have champ 4/8 cloak

[raven nymph]

[nimble yoke]

in my bags i have no trinkets and shoulder that would replace previous 2 set

[raven nymph]

The good news for you is pandaria remix starts soon.

[sacred zodiac]

you notified me when

[rich flower]

[nimble yoke]

it sure does

assuming that branch, ashes, grieftorch, grapnel, spiteful storm, pocket anvil, beacon, and coil are all baits...i guess it's either pip's, ominous, or icon lol

[raven nymph]

Pips is likely safest best if not playing with others using icon or oce

[left talon]

anvil puzzle gaming

[inner wasp]

im now a self declared arms master

[nimble yoke]

one stat of ominous seems to be better than pip's, but that'll probably change as my stats get higher i imagine

[left talon]

a n00b question, does icon/ominous work raid wide buffs or only in party?

[quasi torrent]

i presumed spongeuwu was dead for this tier!

[lost forum]

Peeping in on this chat....503 I level, season 3 mirror and season 3 signet...buying icon the right choice?

[quasi torrent]

as she did not have gear when we gold swapped!

there will be another next week! Likely killing 4 on mythic after the hc! (maybe 5!)

but i am unsure there will be space in the mythic!

[sacred zodiac]

is it possible for spongeuwu to arrive in hc ! and maybe mythic ! if there is room ! and i will have stuff crafted !

[quasi torrent]

i shall inform you of the day once i have acquired this information (itll be thurs or sun)

[sacred zodiac]

king

[olive nest]

[halcyon breach]

is it possible for banezihunter to arrive in hc ! and maybe mythic ! if there is room ! and i will have stuff crafted !

[quasi torrent]

Mayhaps!

[sacred zodiac]

spongeuwu is more iconic

[proud plover]

many big ms crits, many fun

[opaque citrus]

is it possible for nishlite to arrive in hc ! and maybe mythic ! if there is room ! and i will have stuff crafted !

[dapper juniper]

GUYS ANY thing benefit for damage of manic?
cs or avatar?

[opaque citrus]

Technically one thing does but it is not relevant or worth doing

And that would be the crit damage % on spear

[dapper juniper]

what about top should i use it after tom?

[merry stone]

Somewhat of an off-topic question: is the power infusion beta feature on raidbots simming properly for Arms Warriors? Which specs doesn’t it work for?

[halcyon breach]

It's simming properly yes

I don't know about other specs, but it has been configured to be on pull after Avatar, after 2 minutes, and in Execute after Avatar

[lavish scaffold]

hey guys, random question, i just started gearing my warrior alt, how should i try to get the leggo? just do highest diffculty amirdrassil i can?

[halcyon breach]

Correct

[nova marsh]

Yes

[lavish scaffold]

is it a separate chance for normal and awakened?

or i should just do awakened

[latent moss]

highest diff

[halcyon breach]

They share BLP between Awakened and non-Awakened

[nova marsh]

No. Same chance regardless of awakened

[summer elbow]

Hi.. Returning player. Is arms good for m+? Is execute relevant? Or outlaw rogue is better? How Hard is getting the leg axe? Thanks

[nova marsh]

The axe takes a while. Arms is great in keys atm

[halcyon breach]

Arms is good yes, Execute is relevant in the sense that you do quite a lot more damage during it (but not exactly the most), Outlaw is arguably the best rogue spec rn but both are comparatively very strong, getting the lego axe if you haven't killed Fyrakk at all will take you a long time unless you are lucky

[summer elbow]

How good is our st dmg? I renember back in shadowlands it were nice

[halcyon breach]

We're one of the strongest ST specs by far in raid right now, and still very respectable in keys

[summer elbow]

Thats all.. Im going arms. Thanks

[boreal remnant]

kekw

[midnight mural]

91% crit on MS sheesh

[boreal remnant]

4 out of 49 MS did not crit lmfao

[opaque citrus]

What the

[gaunt owl]

wtf

its so over you peaked

[opaque citrus]

Ya ngl that’s a retirement angle

[boreal remnant]

didn't even do great on nymue

[weak wave]

What is this shit? 😄

[ornate eagle]

theyre level 1

all the dummies in valdrakken except the raid dummy are level 1

[weak wave]

So I shoud do billions of dmg!

[ornate eagle]

no

you get level scaled to level 1 aswell

when fighting them

go to boralus for level 70 dummies

[weak wave]

This is quite new isn't it?

[boreal remnant]

yeah

[weak wave]

Alright

[ornate eagle]

since this wednesday

[weak wave]

Thanks 🙂

[lost forum]

Does Avatar and bladestorm free us from Branches root?

[cold garnet]

yes

[pearl jasper]

whats best item to take with bullions if I dont have fyraleth?

makes the ring useless for now right?

[boreal remnant]

I mean it can still proc off of itself and helm enchant

but yeah wouldn't prioritize it

[boreal quartz]

Ashkandur prolly

Unless u kill the boss and just loot it ig

[pearl jasper]

noted, thank you. Ive done one run and havent got it, ill go with the nelth sword

[proud plover]

hehe

[wary holly]

is it better to use puzzle box with lust on pull or without lust on execute?

[boreal quartz]

With

[latent moss]

u do more damage with lust on pull than in exe

[sly venture]

did not for me when trying in valdrakken

[boreal quartz]

It's not a root it's a slow

So you dont get slowed during bs

But maintain the buff

[sly venture]

i was slowed while Bladestorming just now

@boreal quartz

[boreal quartz]

then idk didnt feel like i was slowed

but that might be hurricane

since it gives movespeed

[sly venture]

well it's the first time trying, the roots disappear when hitting enemies so maybe thats why? I just tried it without enemies

so it goes from 60-45-30-15-0 movement speed slowed every tick

[boreal quartz]

you lose 1 stack per melee yep

so its giga neglecatable once the first stack is gone

unless you pop it into a dreamrend or so

[novel hollow]

Last key i did ret did 140k overall on a +8

Had to pump 400k ish dps on HoI

Felt like i was boosting someone for gold

And they didnt know what a CR was

[proud plover]

yep lots of bad rets out and about

[novel hollow]

Like only time they peaked was on huge packs

[proud plover]

that was nok, behind the entire time

[novel hollow]

Still only like 600k and they fall down

On nok i like big pulls if i play arms

Gigachad dps

I still dont understand 1thing

Should i MS on 3t(6t ss)

Ir cleave 3+

Or

Like lets say 20mobs 1pull do i just spam cleave

Im doing 12-16% MS overall key

[misty yew]

do you 2 stack cleave or just send wheneve in aoe

[dire hinge]

Preferably get two stacks on it

[novel hollow]

U mean 2stack op and then cleave?

Ahh

[misty yew]

k

[boreal remnant]

another week without leggo

[novel hollow]

So just SS and spam double op then into cleave

[boreal remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-happy-dog-dog-happiest-dog-super-happy-gif-17885812

[novel hollow]

Cleave is softcapped 8?

[dire hinge]

Mostly because overpower itself is a lot of damage

[novel hollow]

And MS at ❤️ no SS

Ffs

[dire hinge]

Hahahaha

Yes, though

[novel hollow]

With ss up to 6

MS on reset?

Or also 2stack

For ST in execute on bosses i do < 30rage OP , over 30 rage spam execute and not touch MS

[nova marsh]

No

Ms with 2x ep

[mint chasm]

hello im going to buy trinkets for the bullion i only do m+ wich ones should i buy

[nova marsh]

Exe 3z or exe 2x and then ms

[novel hollow]

So every 2-3exe i just MS with 2stack

[tepid prawn]

Do you op at all during execute phase?

[wild heart]

For all around use trinkets in m+ call to chaos and pips are good. But puzzlebox you will have to farm

[left talon]

Under 40 rage

[nova marsh]

Yes sub 40 rage as a general rule of thumb

[tepid prawn]

Makes sense, thanks

[novel hollow]

Understood

Do i even use ww/tclap in exe phase?

[nova marsh]

No

Never

[novel hollow]

Or only to refresh bleeds

[nova marsh]

Just exe op and ms

[novel hollow]

Tc

[nova marsh]

Bleeds refresh themselves in execute

Read bloodletting

[novel hollow]

Ty

Hopefully i wont get 6 waist slots

In vault

[gray steeple]

Was there a stealth nerf? My raidbots top gear is showing almost 18k less than yesterday with same gear. Multiple sims.

[halcyon breach]

There was no nerf, no

If anything, there was a small increase in the latest build that fixed crit interactions

[proud plover]

apl updates tho right

[halcyon breach]

Yes but none that'd lower someones sim dps by 18k

[gray steeple]

Trying latest instead of nightly

[dire hinge]

If you have a link to the sim it would be easier to diagnose what might be going on. I won’t be able to check for about 20min, but we might be able to spot something (accidental talent missing, or missing gear, etc)

[proud plover]

yeah like running 2 hours of sims with fucking imp slam talented

[dire hinge]

Tee hee

I did a few bosses with Imp SS last night on accident so I feel this

[proud plover]

i edited an old fob build to compare 😦

[gray steeple]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ioEdadSMPjokfUBdQT23w2 today

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5XeVsVC5jxDMVJyjwBAosV yesterday

[proud plover]

ilvl different

[verbal marten]

diff talents too

[dire hinge]

Uproar, fatal mark etc

[proud plover]

looks like st and aoe builds

[verbal marten]

in for the kill instead of test of might

yeah bro simmed using his fucking jugg m+ build

[dire hinge]

Not nerf, just talent slip ♥️

[gray steeple]

That's super odd. I didn't change talents around. But thanks for catching it

[verbal marten]

looking at my smold kill from yday and i dont have a single slam cast

wtf is wrong with me

[proud plover]

nothing at all

[verbal marten]

real fuck slam

[proud plover]

did you have wtf?

[livid cloak]

Man rumbling ruby Sims better than I thought

[verbal marten]

yea

[livid cloak]

I removed slam from my bars 😬

I just tclap

[proud plover]

slam is shift mod on tc for me

[astral yarrow]

Technically a mistake if you have 3x crushing force. If not, then you played it fine

[verbal marten]

well

i dont have x3

i do have x2

[proud plover]

drop those points and take utility

[verbal marten]

i was just thinking of putting them into pain and gain

[proud plover]

pain n gain to keep bsl uptime, leap cdr cause wtf not right

[verbal marten]

idk where else to put them

[astral yarrow]

Then it’s a mistake. I usually throw them into leap cdr and pain n gain

[verbal marten]

i have an extra point idk where tothrow it

honed reflexes?

bitter immunity

?

[astral yarrow]

If you’re unethical you throw it into the ww minor increase thingy

[proud plover]

by the way, dont run seismic reverb cause its dog

[astral yarrow]

Otherwise take some@utility

[verbal marten]

yeah might be bitter immunity

[astral yarrow]

I mean seismic is damage 🤷‍♀️

[verbal marten]

yeah in aoe

[astral yarrow]

Yessir

[verbal marten]

which it does sound good for maybe council and shit

[proud plover]

30% of 33% of a ww

[astral yarrow]

Nah, council is mostly 1-2 targets so it won’t have effect really

[proud plover]

voti council

[verbal marten]

mb i meant the other council

[astral yarrow]

Yup, it’s trash, but it’s damage if you have nothing more useful to put the point in

[astral yarrow]

Both fights should be erased from our minds

Trash fights

[proud plover]

fucking titanic throw will do more damage

[astral yarrow]

Depends on target amount

But I guess this is getting pedantic

[verbal marten]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uWEiQwL95pFX9mzGzdoU2v https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3dFXdkyNVFsmkwkoBUVcQ5

[gray steeple]

I have Seismic on my Juggernaut buid but not my normal ST build

[verbal marten]

1k dps loss

lol

fuck slam

i aint never pressing that dogshit again

[halcyon breach]

It is in fact a very useless button

[astral yarrow]

Yup, minor gain. It’s basically whatever. TC also has more uses

Unless you are running CD

[clever crag]

So slam goes off the bars ?

[halcyon breach]

If you want, sure

[clever crag]

Didnt some1 say we use it over TC again

[halcyon breach]

But I'd still keep a not-often used bind ready for niche uses

[tacit mist]

the loss is tiny

[halcyon breach]

If you care about the min/max of it

[verbal marten]

brand is kinda disgusting btw

[astral yarrow]

Yeah, a minor gain has been found if you slam above 12 seconds on rend with 2x crushing force

[verbal marten]

8:33 min fight on a boost fyrakk

[clever crag]

I have it bind on 1 lol

[proud plover]

on 1 lol

[stiff wedge]

Remove and replace

[astral yarrow]

Prime real estate for MS

[clever crag]

Idk why they fuck it so bad, it has unique animation per race

Usually

[verbal marten]

over power on 1 ms on 2 tc on 3

exe on 4

[stiff wedge]

Have MS on there twice

[proud plover]

bind it to delete so you remember to delete your warrior if you end up in that rare situation you needed to press it

[zenith warren]

1 is for fillers which is slam/cleave and 2 is for big boy ms

[clever crag]

MS, OP, exe.. all look the same on every race

Boring as fuck

[astral yarrow]

[clever crag]

My man

[verbal marten]

ur the first person ever

to say slam looks cool

or is

ur not a real warrior

[stiff wedge]

All I see is numbers

[clever crag]

You ever slammed on dwarf ,

[opaque citrus]

Slam sucks

[clever crag]

Or orc

[opaque citrus]

I’d slam a dwarf

[proud plover]

1 = execute 2 = charge

[verbal marten]

yes

it looks like shit

[clever crag]

It LOOKS cool

Btw tauren have a special MS animation

[astral yarrow]

BONK

[clever crag]

They slam instead

One more reason to play tauren

[old blade]

when to use bladestorm in m+ st?

[astral yarrow]

Use it to buff your CS window in ST

[latent moss]

worst animation ever

looks so shit

[clever crag]

Nah looks appropriate

Especially rocking the totem

Wack a mole MS

[dire hinge]

better than the dwarf backhand 360 noscope for slam

[astral yarrow]

I’d agree with you, but then we are 2 that would be mistaken

[clever crag]

Try BE slam

They do a basketball move while slamming

[dire hinge]

oh my, Siege is going to daily lockout?