arms

[somber lance]

so just dont buy it then?

And get ring?

[fallen scaffold]

Hey buddies, I hope your vault went well !

Personnally, i'm very confused..

So, in my vault, I looted 2 items that are interesting me (image below)

• Myth 1/3 Sargha's Smasher : Bis stats weapon
• Heroic Awakened Neltharion's Call to Chaos.

However, I'm hesitating a lot between those 2 items for a M+ choice, because according to Bloodmallet, Neltharion's trinket is the second best trinket in patchwerk5, but nobody in the top 50 is playing it in the M+ scene, (Source : RIO & Murlok.io ) (I haven't checked the 50 first profiles by hand, but yet it won't appear in Murlok's top 5 most played trinkets), and when I'm simming myself with the M+ Droptimizer AND the Raid Droptimizer, Neltharion's trinket will provide me 2% dps gain, while Irideus fragment is about 4.3% dps gain and The Algethar's box 3%.. What should I do y'all ?

I could use every tip about bloodmallet & Raidbots & yadi yada if you do have some, thanks in advance

Take care y'all, and thanks for the help ! 🙏

[somber lance]

What a constructive post

[obsidian topaz]

what do you mean BIS weapon?

Bis weapon is legendary / ashkunder

[fallen scaffold]

If I don't count Fyralarth

[somber lance]

This would never happen in fury channel btw

[fallen scaffold]

is Ashkandur bis weapon ?

[cursive sun]

bro definitely goes to university

[obsidian topaz]

Yup

do you have a hero weapon right now

[olive nest]

This guy expects a good answer

What a post

[fading sage]

I feel like I’m reading an essay

[cursive sun]

i say this with the least amount of flame possible but if u dont have fyralath just give up

and thank blizzard for the shit system

[fallen scaffold]

Thank you buddy 😭

[fallen scaffold]

nah mine is really awkard atm

[cursive sun]

if u dibt mind spending 2 buillons on a weapon

[fading sage]

What did you use your billions on?

[cursive sun]

go get ashkandur

[fallen scaffold]

I said Bis stats ><

[cursive sun]

especially if this is a new character that hasnt cleared amirdrassil often

[fading sage]

How many times have you killed H fyrakk?

[cursive sun]

[fallen scaffold]

I spent it on the Signet brand, since I already looted the Seal of Filial Duty AND my war is a reroll : I haven't done ATDH with, and I have almost no shadowflame proc

[cursive sun]

SIGNET D:

[fallen scaffold]

I considered looting diurna's ring not as worth as my trinket since I had a REALLY shitty trinket, compared to my actual rings 🥹

[fading sage]

If you’ve only killed h fyrakk a couple times, I would use bullion on ashkandur since leggo is low chance.

[slow saddle]

Its weirs how bloodmallet says stacksticks bis, but sim still say signet !+ anvil

D

[fallen scaffold]

I've killed him in LFR once 1 hour ago, but I've never done it before indeed

[proud plover]

it says stat sticks bis when all other roles/flights are active

[fading sage]

Most of your damage is based off a bigger weapon so getting an awakened weapon that can go to max ilvl. That would’ve been your best bet.

Assuming you can get the aspects to boost it up that high.

[fallen scaffold]

What about the Neltharion Trinket ? I feel biased about its value

I could for example get Ashkandur via Bullion and get Neltharion trinket on Vault

[mint turtle]

for M+, do you sim dungeon slice?

[halcyon sequoia]

simming situations just dont put oce and icon in a good light

[fading sage]

That’s what I would do in your situation.

[fallen scaffold]

Nah, target dummy 5, I don't know how to use dungeon slice

[fading sage]

But I’m no expert

[slow saddle]

Sure but when i sim same, i still get those other 2 above

[halcyon sequoia]

stat sticks being bis only when they are fully activated makes them very not bis for m+ in my eyes

[fallen scaffold]

my sims are linked in my post here if u need them

[halcyon sequoia]

tank and healer wont, dps might

[mild hound]

What’s the internal cd on BSL in terms of the buff coming back once going back above 90?

[fading sage]

5sec

[mild hound]

Tytt

[slow saddle]

Wasnt it 3?

To bad its not 0.1

[fading sage]

I thought it was 5

🤷🏼‍♂️

[slow saddle]

But would make it bis

[native spire]

guys whay do u recomen me to by whit this week token? Cromatic? Ring?

[fading sage]

I just wanna go to sleep lol one hour on work left

[slow saddle]

I bought ring coz guildies aint buying ove yet

[fossil thistle]

Fury channel would be “how does fury feel now guys after the buff??”

[slow saddle]

Oce

[native spire]

ty man

[fossil thistle]

Just be on loot council and vote yourself 🙂

[mint turtle]

can anyone explain why OCE is bis, PIPs and icon are all similar and icon seems to sim higher for me in single target, 5 target and dungeon slice

[slow saddle]

But ask guildies

[slow saddle]

Did u set oce with fulø buffs

[halcyon sequoia]

im surprised oce is bis when ashes is simming so high.
and branch/

[obsidian topaz]

but we wont have full buffs in keys right?

[halcyon sequoia]

and rumbling ruby

[slow saddle]

Duru ofc not

[mint turtle]

yeah i didnt as i pug M+

[obsidian topaz]

im not actually sure how it works lol

[slow saddle]

Its a raid trinket

[obsidian topaz]

ah ok

[slow saddle]

Mby icon, if u have a team

[fading sage]

You likely won’t have a tank with icon in keys though either

[halcyon sequoia]

or a healer

[slow saddle]

Most likely they wilø take grieftorch + other dps trinket

[fading sage]

Especially with BH, grieftorch be amazing on those totems

[olive nest]

Icon dps+healer buff beats OCE until you have all 5 buffs for OCE

So unless you are with a premade that specifically runs all buffs for oce*

Icon will probably net more value pugging

At least for now

[bold kayak]

I'm at a lose at what to buy this week. Got M Diurna's from vault, have Heroic Brand. Thinking either icon or anvil (my 2nd trinket is currently Champ puzzle box)

[fading sage]

Eggnog ring?

[bold kayak]

got it from vault

[fading sage]

So you have both VOTI rings?…

[bold kayak]

oh, no, thought diurna's was Egg's ring...

[sacred zodiac]

Just go Down the prio list in pins or sim the upgrades for yourself

[bold kayak]

yeah, i am... just unsure what i want lol

[fossil thistle]

There’s seal of chosen urinals, and Seal of fajita duty

[sleek dock]

thanks mate!

[fading sage]

Oh diurna is eggnogs ring 😅 I’m wayyyyy too tired

[tiny dock]

diurna's chosen is the eranog ring isnt it?

[bold kayak]

all good

[tiny dock]

y'all confusing me

[silk bloom]

Is 295k ST bad for 505 ilvl?

[tiny dock]

time to get ashcandy oh baby

[cloud lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/757159288341921862/1237756897189429248/image.png?ex=663cce70&is=663b7cf0&hm=3270aaa642db2b4a69dc50f5d0ee161b929cafa5c1993d3a31a835e16791becc&

The gods of LFR gave me the axe

Not even the HC

[fossil thistle]

Niice dude grats

[swift oak]

time to flip lfr

[tiny dock]

damn, nice

how many weeks?

[fossil thistle]

An alt Hpal last night got it on his first fyrakk kill on normal and he’s upset he doesn’t play survival hunter to transmog it 😂

[tiny dock]

jealous

[cloud lagoon]

I kinda started it on the end of S3

So not that many

[tiny dock]

I'm just conceding it'll take me too long and I'm about to buy asscandy rn

[cloud lagoon]

I got the sword yday

Time to play fury... Only from neltha hc tho

[tiny dock]

i've never liked fury

even when it's the better spec, i just zug arms

[fossil thistle]

Honestly, if you get ash Ketchum, great sword of the pokermons you can upgrade it to 528 and still get fyralath to 528 with only flightstones 🤷🏻‍♂️

[tiny dock]

true, I guess just rip lfr every week and pray I get lucky

[mint turtle]

this is really helpful, thank you!

[tiny dock]

my buds told me the bad luck protection means if I do it on heroic for the week

no point in going into lfr

[fossil thistle]

Correct

[tiny dock]

damn

[fossil thistle]

Higher difficulty rolls lower %

[tiny dock]

so really up to pure luck

[fossil thistle]

Kinda yea

[tiny dock]

knowing my luck it's gonna be 15 weeks lmao

[cloud lagoon]

158,600 gold for the maths . I guess I have to pay the axe tax

[fading sage]

Guaranteed after 15 lol

[tiny dock]

jesus, y'know what, I'm gonna save my gold and accept asscandy is a good 2nd bis LOL

[fading sage]

Or clear mythic lol

[tiny dock]

i ain't got the money for that rn, wanna go into TWW with some gold

[fossil thistle]

Where’s that warrior who’s killed it 16 times and still doesn’t have it

[proud plover]

10m 5t dummy, this ring ist amazing at all

[fossil thistle]

Just buy wow token.
Or start farming the mats yourself, it’s not too bad. A guildie of mine did it in a week playing casually

[cloud lagoon]

Before or after the buffs?

[fading sage]

No idea, but if that was me. I’d have my pc on eBay by now

[halcyon sequoia]

idk why people are prio'ing the ring

[fossil thistle]

The buff was retroactive so the % gain would’ve been the same either way

[somber lance]

free 1% on topof stats?

[quasi torrent]

Why wouldn't i when i got icon + lego already

[vagrant aspen]

1% on a ring prog is pretty big

[quasi torrent]

Want me to buy fucking sarka cape?

L

LL

[fossil thistle]

@mellow seal did you ever find your fyralath?

[quasi torrent]

LLL

[lone imp]

no chance I buy that cloak

[halcyon sequoia]

no one is saying the ring is nothing

[quasi torrent]

just acquire it

[halcyon sequoia]

it just isnt better than a bis trinket uprade

imo

[lone imp]

I don't want it lol

[fossil thistle]

Ngl I wish we could buy armor transmog too. I really don’t wanna run mythic vault to collect it 😂

[gray steeple]

“Bis” trinket is conditional. Most of the actual best ones aren’t actually that good for lots of people due to length, number of people equipping it, etc. ring is always good.

[halcyon sequoia]

ashes sims very high in every scenario i throw at it

[olive nest]

Just sharing info I’ve learned from here, goodluck!

[violet steeple]

@reef glade had to take my #1 eh big dog

[tiny dock]

my goal is to get yoked enough to start doing m+ boosts lol

[mellow seal]

no, i guess its 15 kills post race to world first and not 14?

[tiny dock]

just got asscandy to 528 and puzzlebox to 515 ooowee

been running AA for the damn puzzlebox and someone finally dropped it to me lol

[fossil thistle]

Yea if you didn’t get an ember first kill, you didn’t get bonus BLP

[pure grove]

got a myth Pips last night and now wondering if I should pick up OCE/Icon next week. It seems they're not that popular in my raid, hense picking up Pips.

[unborn basin]

If I only do m+ is nelth’s call a good option?

[fossil thistle]

I have a lazy co worker who offered me $100 if I can get him to 2,000 for the mount.
Imagine not being able to time 5s 🫠🫠

[tiny dock]

LMAO

[unborn basin]

Or do I still go with oce

[sacred zodiac]

????????????????????????

[tiny dock]

is it really just 5s rn to get 2000?

[mellow seal]

17th kill surely will do the trick

[tiny dock]

5s for both tyr and fort right?

[fossil thistle]

Brother same. I’ve gotten like every item in the dungeon on hero and not even a SINGLE puzzle box

[sacred zodiac]

get back in the mines then

[fossil thistle]

Time +5 on both weeks for 2000

[tiny dock]

damn

[violet steeple]

Green our heroic clear yday was world 1st 😉 xd

[marsh sail]

its the same as it alwyas has

they just changed the digits

[tiny dock]

true

[marsh sail]

squished key lvls

[tiny dock]

ya i haven't played since SL

didn't even know it was like that back then lol

[fossil thistle]

Mythicplanner.com is really useful for wanting to hit specific Io

[marsh sail]

kek

[halcyon sequoia]

nice

[violet steeple]

Idol is massive

[sacred zodiac]

idol of dn

[tiny dock]

idol that good?

[halcyon sequoia]

aoe uncapped

[tiny dock]

damn, so it's real good for m+ eh

[sacred zodiac]

its good ye i dont think it competes with raid options

[pure grove]

I picked up sockets and immediately slapped 2 on the vers bracers and diurna ring.

[halcyon sequoia]

when your raid options require everyone to be using them and all youre doing is m+, the raid options stop looking as good

[fading sage]

I have myth anvil and hero augury… need to replace the anvil for m+

[tiny dock]

yeah I bought OCE first week lol

at least my buddy who I run m+ with also grabbed it

[violet steeple]

Idol is disgusting, I have a 519 1 and it was equal to my leggo dmg on our 3-4m kills last night

[sacred zodiac]

call to chaos yknow

[halcyon sequoia]

its good until tyrannical shows its face

i just want the best i dont have to think about it anymore trinket for my buck

[sacred zodiac]

ctc is really good for st aswell yknow

[spring ruin]

I took neltharions call trinket as arms , think I messed up

[mortal crag]

mage moment

brh14

[halcyon sequoia]

inconsistent procs on ctc sound bad in m+

[gaunt owl]

inconsistent how ?

[mortal crag]

its relatively consistent?

i had 20% uptime on that brh

[halcyon sequoia]

about 20% uptime can proc at the end of a pack can NOT proc before you dump your cd's

[sacred zodiac]

doesnt the same logic apply to idol or

[mortal crag]

and a 23% uptime on academy 12 earlier

yeah that logic is to anything

[still fox]

what trinket is best for M+ but i play no premade. icon?

[gaunt owl]

flame the tank for not chain pulling and being a little bitch

[mortal crag]

real

[gaunt owl]

every problem has a simple solution

[spring ruin]

It had 16 percent up time in last dungeon I did , I simmed it and it said it was barely higher than my season 3 trinket accelerating sand

[sacred zodiac]

link that sim

[mortal crag]

accelerating sand is quite strong istn it

[halcyon sequoia]

if it random procs your main stat then its a risky taake

[mortal crag]

also if u spam mortal strikes and not cleaves

ur lowering ur chance

😛

[sacred zodiac]

ye but 489 sandglass isnt real vs a s4 ctc

[mortal crag]

yh that seems sus

[spring ruin]

Does dreadnaught aoe found towards it or only ww cleave?

[mortal crag]

p sure it does

[sacred zodiac]

ye dn works

[spring ruin]

Count

Mmk , well I’m stuck with it anyway now 😆

[halcyon sequoia]

end of the day ill probably end up taking icon and being madge about it since interesting trinkets are off the table

and it performs decent in tyr and fort

[unborn basin]

Or you can take CTC and quit trying to meme it down 😂

[mortal crag]

this has to be a buy right? 900k with avoidance

myth track

[daring heron]

depends if its worth to you

[mortal crag]

i mean in relation to the price

thats cheap isnt it?

[daring heron]

prices are falling fast

[mortal crag]

u reckon i should wait a bit n se?

n see*

[daring heron]

but ye rn it's a good price considering

[mortal crag]

i mean 900 avoidance for 2mil

sounds not bad

feet+helm

i JUST dropped a speed helm though

[olive nest]

Depends

If you do not have a source of gold making

That’s a lot for little gain

[mortal crag]

boosts etc here and there

[quaint otter]

avoidance is tertiary stat bro

[mortal crag]

whenever i feel like

[mortal crag]

myth track avoidance

[quaint otter]

who cares

[mortal crag]

some people

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8nupZxmjjsJ9To15knf8am

[quaint otter]

well if 900k is no problem go for it why not

[dull siren]

@daring heron

good reset

on this warrior

[quaint otter]

gaming

[gaunt owl]

CTC is RPPM so with the amount of DN you dish out you gonna max them out

[mortal crag]

:3

[daring heron]

thats insane

[unborn basin]

Do the top people on RIO not take CTC because of the damage taken amp?

[daring heron]

in high keys you're already trying to find ways to survive oneshots

you don't want to make that even harder

[somber lance]

good thing eggnog got high vers

[hot moat]

can someone link me the spell reflect spreadsheet pls ?

[olive nest]

Holy!!!

Guy broke 400k

[somber lance]

we can go up to 430k right?

[gaunt owl]

he cheating

[somber lance]

bro already surpassed peak fury

[gaunt owl]

this elitist guy put BSL at 60% uptime

[somber lance]

[gaunt owl]

@dull siren

[somber lance]

isnt it 40% default

[dull siren]

mythic sark 70% uptime

40% is low

[mortal crag]

is icon/puzzlebox a solid combo for "all content" as arms?

[dull siren]

raid deals 0 damage

[quaint otter]

oh my..

[dull siren]

60% is the average by now, If you don't stand in dumb stuff

nothin deal damage

[quaint otter]

my heals are afk so i have ~30%

[somber lance]

dont need to get healed if u take no damage

innit

[gaunt owl]

skill issue pick IP

going out boys

time to socialize more

[olive nest]

Ip casts below 1

[dull siren]

The alt warr sims 390k even tho u took all the loot

[olive nest]

Yikes

[gaunt owl]

dont lie you got some good loot too

[boreal quartz]

Do 4 min lilman

[olive nest]

40 seconds go brrr

[gaunt owl]

gonna beat @dull siren sim tomorrow dont worry

i didnt craft my 2nd BSL

only took vault

he is so done he gonna have to retire

[fading sage]

Is there a way in logs to see theoretical bsl uptime?

Such as a way to view how often you were above x threshold of health

[fringe moon]

How can you adjust sims to start at 35%?

[reef birch]

upgrading 4x myth track set items seems like a better use of crests than socketless 525 wrists

thoughts?

[olive nest]

You can sim crests

That’s really the most accurate way to know

[nova wigeon]

guys, Pip's or nelta for mm + ? the 5% damage from nelt is really dangerous ?

[daring heron]

if you aren't using your wyrm crests, craft with those for now and then use your aspects for something else

[boreal quartz]

Execute patchwerk

[daring heron]

upgrade the wyrm crafted item when you no longer need aspects

[reef birch]

i forgot thats a thing

seems like the way to go

[prisma anchor]

Guys do you know if Awakened HC Fyrakk kill counts separately?

[hazy flower]

shouldn't

its the same raid

same diff

just empowered for the week

[prisma anchor]

Yea, but different. If you know what I mean. I was today on HC Fyrakk and there was Warrior and that was his 15th kill on HC and he didnt get it.

[boreal quartz]

15 kills or 15 resets of 1 kill

[olive nest]

Wasn’t it mentioned that BLP may have reset?

I do not know if that’s true

[prisma anchor]

I don't think so.

[olive nest]

Then the 14th reset is 100%

If all kills were heroic

[prisma anchor]

That was what I am saying. Warrior had 14th kills before and today was his 15th and he didnt get it.

[olive nest]

Possible not all of his kills were heroic difficulty

[prisma anchor]

They were I checked his rio.

[ebon hollow]

is cataclysmit brand worth it this season since alot of bosses just get run over on mythic in 1:30-2 min

[nimble acorn]

possible they had 14 kills but not all of them were for lockout, i know i helped out in one or two h raids that obv wouldnt help me get leggo but count as kills in stats

[somber lance]

i had mine after 15 kills

i know because wclogs showed 14 before i got it

[prisma anchor]

Oh, okay. Maybe thats a thing.

[delicate mulch]

It’s 15 heroic kills

[opaque citrus]

Not really imo unless you’re trying to parse the mythic end bosses

[hazy flower]

also

[opaque citrus]

Or if you’re good at keeping it up in keys (but most keys this season have some sort of downtime)

[hazy flower]

its possible he killed it before the lego droppewd for echo

[somber lance]

that's true

[prisma anchor]

Yeah, true.

Thanks guys.

[ebon hollow]

what would you play then?

[opaque citrus]

Any of the other top trinkets (anvil suffers from the same problem)

You can do a droptimizer for 2min or 3min as well

The default stuff you’ll see is usually based on 5min

[sharp wyvern]

so is shadowflame proc better for ring or should i trust the BiS list on wowhead ?
also what uptime is realistic for the blue silken lining ?

[boreal quartz]

Do you have all items for the bis list

If you do not it's not the bible

[olive nest]

[boreal quartz]

Remember that you gain mainstat with boots

[sharp wyvern]

true

i also simmed with 40% uptime on the mastery buff cause that was the default

[wild heart]

Proccing the ring shouldnt matter with your axe and helm enchant

[boreal quartz]

It's just the mainstat is my guess

Or weird gear

[sharp wyvern]

yeah thats my guess too

didnt think about it

[reef glade]

[manic knot]

wouldnt the fyrakk Tank trinket be the best option for a combo with the eranog ring or does it not passively proc the ring enough with the every 3s damage thing?

[halcyon breach]

The legendary alone saturates the ring with proc chances

If you don't have the legendary, helm + shadowflame is good enough

[opaque citrus]

Legendary does plenty

[manic knot]

ok, thanks

[halcyon breach]

I would not ever use Rageheart as a DPS unless you need the defensive desperately

[plush belfry]

25% of my dps is fire damage atm

[opaque citrus]

That’s… a lot

[plush belfry]

ring, leggo, head, augury, shadowflame boots

[opaque citrus]

Oh augury

Unforch

[plush belfry]

anvi

anvil

[reef glade]

?? Wtf is this

says 1 and it gives 120 points but only a 99

surely it locks it in as a 100 since psure lock in time is before eu wakes up right

like huh

[plush belfry]

Is Grieftorch worth taking from vault is it literally reliant on people croaking?

[opaque citrus]

No it’s insane and then giga insane if people die

[plush belfry]

Myth track legs into tier otherwise

[oblique jewel]

For m+ content, what 2 crafted pieces would u use? 🙂

[plush belfry]

(which is long game fun). Grief pumps does it?

[opaque citrus]

Yes

And you can yell at your friends to keep themselves safe

https://tenor.com/view/kys-keep-yourself-safe-low-tier-god-gif-24664025

[plush belfry]

yeah might play the short game as its more fun

😛

[bleak fog]

So when we sim for M+ we still do Patchwerk 5 min?

[plush belfry]

If you're just after which stat combos yeah, i'd say trinkets are diff

[bleak fog]

Its about trinket this time

[plush belfry]

I tend to do a few diff sims and just see if it overall makes sense

Like if it's 2% on aoe but -2% on ST and it's Tyra.. pass? Or just set and forget 😛

[tropic umbra]

incorporeal fucking sucks man

[summer cargo]

guys does the box didnt work with avatar anymore ?

[inner terrace]

This week is a pass it's over

[soft fox]

hmmm

shoulders?

[boreal quartz]

Icon xd

[reef glade]

real

[tropic umbra]

gotta get me crests tho

:<

[violet steeple]

Proud

[summer cargo]

anyone answer pls

[violet steeple]

I'm 524ilvl now mangggg, just stuck w 515 gloves/legs/1 ring

And no it doesn't

But it lasts 30s now

So channel as pull is starting

[summer cargo]

thank u

[chrome hare]

how is augary for m+? is it alot worse than Chromatic Essence?

[opaque citrus]

Bad for arms

Far more trinkets worth suing

Using

[flat vine]

Ok, I hate cleave..... completely dropped it just for giggles and DPS barely changed.

[flat grotto]

what trinket would you buy with boullion for arms with this gear. (1 m+ and 1 raid lmk!)

[chrome hare]

just still unsure what to buy with Buillons (wont get legendary for a few weeks, and wont raid mythic so wep is stuck at 522)

[violet steeple]

I wouldn't, I'd buy the ring @flat grotto

Since you don't have leggo

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gAFvEmbVt6MDv3cnvNC5Y2

We are goat'd

[flat grotto]

I have 4 boullions

[violet steeple]

After last nights post clear aspect usage

[final hollow]

yo, do we play massacre + jugg this week on specific dungeons?

[somber lance]

beating timmy sim

rekt

cheating with band tho

[violet steeple]

403 without brand we still ball

[copper summit]

feel like it was a waste

[flat grotto]

I feel like I will never actually get value from Icon

[violet steeple]

Most won't

Most won't get value from OCE in M+ either

[boreal quartz]

Fully statted ring

[flat grotto]

I havent seen anyone else with it I just took it from vault

[boreal quartz]

Ur not losing ANYTHING for this damage

[somber lance]

u guys trolling with these diurna numbers

[copper summit]

11/12

[boreal quartz]

As in

[somber lance]

its on fucking top of your stats on the ring

its goated

[faint goblet]

free 1.5% damage compared to any other ring

[boreal quartz]

Ur not losing ANYTHING

[somber lance]

1% is a lot tbh

on a ring

[copper summit]

yea but idk if i should've got whispering

[inner terrace]

Too bad bruh!!

[violet steeple]

Fr it's legit just free dmg

No

[copper summit]

oh thought u ment as in fully upgraded

[violet steeple]

Rings do not offer dmg, all trinkets offer dmg, this ring offers dmg = BIS by far

[chrome hare]

but can you proc the ring with just head enchant?

[violet steeple]

Yes

[copper summit]

yea

[chrome hare]

i dont have shadowflame tempered patch or legendary

[copper summit]

i also has leggo

[somber lance]

does the ring actually proc more if you have more fire sources?

or its hard capped and doesnt change much?

[violet steeple]

I assume its PPM like everything else

[opaque citrus]

I believe it’s 2ppm hasted

Don’t quote me

[flat grotto]

lowkey wanna switch to fury just to use pocket anvil and augury xD

[pale jungle]

spell data agrees with this ^

[soft fox]

but you can buy icon next week

and ive normal shoulders currently

[boreal quartz]

You have a full raid of mythic to get shoulders

And full hc too

With curio AND normal token

AND cata

[soft fox]

i turned casual this season

so no mythic raid

[final hollow]

yo, do we play massacre + jugg this week on specific dungeons?

im about to do uldaman 12

[soft fox]

also

[final hollow]

and the last boss is a pain

[soft fox]

ive normal OCE currently

[soft fox]

thats free real estate brother

[frigid lava]

515 is 515. Normal OCE can be upgraded to 515

I too have normal OCE 😄

[halcyon breach]

holy fuck man

you have been so spooned jesus christ

[violet steeple]

I haven't, I'm not our most geared LOL

[halcyon breach]

aint no way

[violet steeple]

We've had giga plate drops

Like our BDK is as geared as me off the off-drops DPS didn't need

[halcyon breach]

You're 8 ilvl ahead of my warrior, altho pre craft/bullion

[violet steeple]

Ye once you bullion/craft/spend for the week

I'm already done crests and capped for the week

Cuz we cleared so quick

[fossil thistle]

And I felt good hitting 415… I only sim 330k (I need S4 trinkets)

[violet steeple]

Did 5 M6s, world quests, heroic and mythic in like 5.5hrs total yesterday

[mild hound]

Does it matter which slot you put BSL on?

[halcyon breach]

No

Although ideally not in a slot where you're gonna have unique items

Like the rings, or tier slots

[mild hound]

Kk

Try

Ty*

[violet steeple]

I did cloak, no regrets

[limpid current]

whats a BSL? lol

[halcyon breach]

Blue silken lining

[mild hound]

Blue silk

[halcyon breach]

Mastery above 90%

[limpid current]

ohhh thank you

[opaque citrus]

Butt slurping lips

[mild hound]

Lmao

[limpid current]

pass LMAO

[mild hound]

Sidebar unrelated to wow, go watch that Tom Brady roast on Netflix

Similar joke in there

[limber nacelle]

What’s the bug with bullion weekly quest that ppl keep mentioning?

[halcyon breach]

There isn't one

[shadow ibex]

i think it was an assumption

[olive nest]

False

It is not bugged

[opaque citrus]

Made up by some moron

[shadow ibex]

ppl were worried getting the quest would remove your ability to get a drop. but it wouldn't even be relevant anyway because you cant do shit with 3 bullions

[opaque citrus]

It also didn’t ever do that

[shadow ibex]

you only need 2

[opaque citrus]

And there’s no evidence it did

[shadow ibex]

yea just cats being worried

[pale jungle]

to be fair though, it's exactly the sort of shit that blizz WOULD release

[halcyon breach]

It would've been relevant in the sense that you'd be pushed back one week compared to the rest

[shadow ibex]

i would assume you'd just be able to get the drop you missed next week

but again it doesnt even exist

[dim peak]

silken lining neck or shadowflame back? doesnt shadowflame sync well with eranog ring?

[halcyon breach]

The legendary already saturates the ring with enough proc chance

On top of the helm enchant

Personally I wouldn't bother with Shadowflame, unless you don't have the legendary and need another way to proc the Eranog ring

[shadow ibex]

is leggo + hat enchant enough

[halcyon breach]

And instead just craft BSL/Vers wrists if you're bad at keeping it up

[shadow ibex]

i dont want to use shadowflame patch

[halcyon breach]

It's fine, but not as consistent as legendary

[dim peak]

alrdy have wrists, but for 2nd embellish

[halcyon breach]

Oops

Read it as SF and hat

[halcyon breach]

Then BSL on either cloak, neck, boots or belt ideally

Rings also option, but you'll eventually replace them with Eranog/Broodkeeper rings, so not recommended a bit longer term

[fossil thistle]

I’m debating on recraft my 515 boots to 525 with BSL to test it, I’m not a bit key pusher (ideally, 3,000 is when I stop) so I’ll likely be running Danger cloak

[tropic umbra]

BSL is off alot of the time tho

at least in high keys and prog

[alpine burrow]

Hey guys, why does Icy Veins say that our BIS trinkets for m+ is the Cataclysmic Signet Brand and OCE but now Puzzle Box?

[short spear]

i decided to mess around and get anvil on my warrior and i regret wasting my bullion on it. its so weak in keys as arms

[steep osprey]

did u guys used to be albe to parry the ww from Algethar

or am i dreaming

[tropic umbra]

you had to stand on the stairs

[halcyon breach]

It's not if you're actually using your defensives and not standing in every avoidable mechanic

[fossil thistle]

No prog it’s “casual until expansion” season 🤷🏻‍♂️

[tropic umbra]

specfically lower on the stairs than the dragon fucks

[tropic umbra]

so we're ignoring rot damage?

[gray steeple]

Updated info. Of course.

[tropic umbra]

and dispells and bleeds?

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/on-fire-supernatural-fire-ghost-im-here-gif-19508864

[halcyon breach]

Sure but not every single fight has rot, dispels and bleeds to take care of

[fossil thistle]

Standing fire, dps higher

[halcyon breach]

I've had BSL since the start of the season, and I've had no issue keeping 50-60% uptime except fights where it's constant high ticking damage

Even then, low uptime of BSL it's still very good

[gray steeple]

It doesn’t add dps per se but I’m half thinking of replacing bsl on my boots with a flavor packet for the convenience.

[alpine burrow]

You mean it’s not updated? Sorry

just clarifying

[gray steeple]

I mean new info. Archi updated some of the recommendations. Search his posts for details on it. From a few days ago.

[alpine burrow]

Got it, thanks man!

[old hare]

what should I get with bullions m+ focused?

[fossil thistle]

Crests to upgrade and replace the 46x items 😄
You seem to have a lot of bis options. Maybe a trinket, or an awakened weapon if you can upgrade it pass your 502?

[fringe moon]

does 2x BSL sim higher than 1x BSL + Allied Wrist?

[opaque citrus]

I wouldn’t get a weapon unless it’s leggo

[opaque citrus]

Have you considered simming it to find out

[fringe moon]

I have, but wanted to see if others were seeing the same thing

[opaque citrus]

Well considering sims only tell you about your character in your current gear

[frosty ingot]

so in aoe, i use cleave during sweeping strikes even at 3 targets? i fuckin suck at arms but i'm trying to learn it this season

[opaque citrus]

Not super relevant

[frosty ingot]

^

[opaque citrus]

5 or more

During SS

Read the very end of line 7

[frosty ingot]

isn't that only at 2 stacks of martial prowess? or should i hold ms for 2?

[opaque citrus]

Tbh not sure

[frosty ingot]

sometimes i can just ms -> op -> ms

[opaque citrus]

I just send it during SS

if it comes up

But DN in aoe is big

[chrome hare]

how does one simm diffrent stats on OCE?

or do you actually just use stat weights in that very specific scenario?

[opaque citrus]

There’s a custom string for it

[frosty ingot]

what is DN? :p

[opaque citrus]

I don’t have it off hand

[opaque citrus]

Deez nuts

Lmao

Get fucked

[frosty ingot]

got em

[opaque citrus]

(Dreadnaught)

[frosty ingot]

so basically always ms with less than 5 targets during ss?

and without ss, cleave at 3+

[opaque citrus]

That’s what I do, might be slightly more optimal to hold for 2x prowess stscks but idk

No it’s good in all target counts

[olive nest]

DeezNaughts

[flat vine]

You've been waiting your whole life for that

[olive nest]

Actually yoinked that from deswind

Great details name

Lmao

[opaque citrus]

Consider that it’s free damage

Neltharions call is comparable to any other trinket

[fringe moon]

is there any way in WCL to easily see what % of time you were over 90% HP?

[flat vine]

Augery is simming whacky high for me atm, above all of the stat sticks.

[drifting widget]

Blue silken or shadow flame?!

[olive nest]

Honestly details

Buff uptime

You can also look at buffs on a log

You don’t need to see how much you were over 90% hp

You care about the BSL uptime

[dire hinge]

tossing this on the end of a WCL url should do it:
&type=auras&ability=387336

[fringe moon]

I'm trying to gauge whether swapping to BSL would be better than my existing embellishments given my own logs

[dire hinge]

ah, if you dont have it currently equipped you'll need to likely make a custom query

[fringe moon]

I mean my logs aren't bad and I think I'm over 90% most of the time. I ran the sim at 50% buff uptime, but just wanted to see if I'd even meet that requirement

[somber lance]

do we get 2 catalyst charges a week?

[fossil thistle]

1 catalyst charge per week

[dire hinge]

you can kind of eyeball it by going to the "resource" tab and using the dropdown to show "Hit Points" (should be the default value)

[drifting widget]

However, I have gotten bugged 2 charges per week after a faction change

[fossil thistle]

That’s just P2W

[somber lance]

raidbots seems to think i have 2

wtf

[fossil thistle]

Should be buying slime cat 😎

[fossil thistle]

If you haven’t used you’re catalyst yet, you should have 3 charges

[somber lance]

let me check

[fossil thistle]

Unsub till 11.0 or start a 2nd warrior

[novel hollow]

Dont play warr

Go play mage

[somber lance]

u mean S tier?

[fossil thistle]

Jk use raidbots droptimizer

[novel hollow]

Amogus bis

[somber lance]

arms is slapping

[novel hollow]

Amogus better

[fringe moon]

this was my Igira log...parsed a 76 @ 358k

[fossil thistle]

Brother I leveled and played a frost mage and I kid you not. I actually strained my fingers and they were sore for a few days after doing keys with the APM difference

[novel hollow]

Go play fire

[fossil thistle]

Nty

[fringe moon]

volcoross 91 parse

[fossil thistle]

Figured I’d try outlaw next but ended up in the hospital with a broken hand

[novel hollow]

Outlaw same as fury

[fossil thistle]

Thought outlaw had a much higher apm

[novel hollow]

Sub rogue if u want big d aoe

[fringe moon]

looking at my volcoross logs, it feels like BSL would be terrible to use there

[fossil thistle]

Why does it look like your HP hard caps at 80%?

[novel hollow]

Devastation evoker if u want big d damage and afk

[fringe moon]

weird right?

[dire hinge]

Here's a quick macro you can run to tell you the current Season 4 catalyst charges you have in-game (from any location)
/run local n=(C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(2912).quantity or 0)print(string.format("You have %d Catalyst Charge%s Available",n,(n==1)and""or"s"))

[light dirge]

Bros

[dire hinge]

outputs like this in chat:

[novel hollow]

I never played much evoker tho, only aug inside raids

[light dirge]

Question for y'all

[fossil thistle]

Kinda sus ngl

[somber lance]

i actually only have 1 catalyst so raidbots just lied to me

[fringe moon]

🤷‍♂️

[novel hollow]

I got 4pc week1 hero ilvl and im happy

Hopefully mythic bis in vault this week

[light dirge]

It's.gonna seem silly but hear me out. Using the talent exhilarating blows, is it possible to macro MS to override any other spell in the buffer?

[magic canopy]

no

[plush belfry]

so are we saying icon is probably better if you're a m+ player who tends to pug?

[light dirge]

Shit

[plush belfry]

over oce

[fossil thistle]

/stopcasting should cancel ability queues

[spark mango]

guys

how much do you value test of might

[magic canopy]

icon will generally have more overall stats compared to OCE in M+

[spark mango]

you go all in for str gain or you use op into ms?

[fossil thistle]

So if your MS is /stopcasting /cast mortal strike it should work?
@smoky kayak might know better

[light dirge]

Ekrio, thank you for this tip, I'm trying to increase the amount of Ms I cast over a fight. I feel like I have to untrain my brain to use OP over a MS proc

It's a mistake obv but it's like a habit

[dire hinge]

don't worry about ToM values, it's a bit of a fool's errand. Just follow the priority rotation. By nature of how arms is designed the number will heavily fluctuate based on procs. It's more important to get your rotation right, and ToM will "end up being whatever it is" based on your priority at the time

[plush belfry]

ty fella

[fossil thistle]

It’s the only thing I can think of, I can’t guarantee it works, I think you can disable ability queueing as well? 😂

[light dirge]

Hmm I'll have to research more. I feel like my dumb ape brain can't break the habit of missing me casts

[spark mango]

i think i'm bad at the rotation

[fossil thistle]

Not dumb ape brain

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-kong-battle-axe-gif-20984436

Ape warrior

[spark mango]

i just go Cs> ms>whirlwidn>tc>op into ms reset and if it doesnt happen tc

[dire hinge]

that's fine too, i just wouldn't use ToM as a measuring stick for whether or not you're doing the rotation correctly or not, it's too unstable

[light dirge]

Thank you

❤️

[spark mango]

so if i end up with 19% test of might its fine?

[fossil thistle]

Agreed. I use my CS windows with a slightly different rotation for rage spent to get 26-30% 🤷🏻‍♂️

[somber lance]

anyone know if i can add well fed bonus on top of BSL on a crafted item?

[fossil thistle]

Negative

[dire hinge]

you cannot, unfortunately

[somber lance]

dammit

im about to lose my flavour pocket

[fossil thistle]

Just carrying 678 fiesty fish sticks like me

[dire hinge]

Flavor Pocket doesn't count as an embelishment, but it does take the embelishment "slot" on the piece of gear

[somber lance]

yeah i only have 1 shard and its going towards bsl this week

[dire hinge]

i wouldn't even track ToM numbers tbh 😅

[somber lance]

not shard, spark

[fossil thistle]

19% is on the lower end of average I feel. You should be able to get mid 20s

[vast rock]

hey, i just got the ominous chromatic essence and i need to attune it. what would you guys recommend stat wise to attune it to?

[dire hinge]

you can paste this at the bottom of your SimC and it'll tell you what is best for you:

dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=bronze
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/emerald/obsidian/ruby

copy=Emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/obsidian/ruby

copy=Obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/ruby

copy=Azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=bronze/emerald/obsidian/ruby

copy=Ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/obsidian```

like dis

[vast rock]

tyvm 😄

[light dirge]

Raid it's is amazing

Raidbots

[sage badge]

Nov 28th hotfixes... Hrothmar playing TWW already..

[dire hinge]

hehe more like Nov 28th 2023 (old screenshot)

it was right next to a message about dragonflight.ashkandur_humanoid=1

[sage badge]

[rigid prawn]

is it worth to use 1 mainstat gem with haste for arms? most people i see are using the 2 secondary stat gems and no main stat gem

[dire hinge]

mainstat gem should always be taken, but you can sim it for yourself in raidbots to see if it's good for you personally or not

[obsidian wave]

sim it

I’m learning guys

[tropic umbra]

i already crafted shadowflame wrists D: can't easily swap over to the allied ones and a BSL

would have to make a BSL item this week and then allied wrists in 2 more weeks

[dire hinge]

can make BSL (or a second shadowflame patch) for now and just get the vers bracers later yeah

with time we'll have everything our hearts desire

just a waiting game

[white hedge]

hi sorry asking shit question, how do i do aoe rotations?
is sweeping more impotant or is cleave
and ONLY cleave when at 2 OP right? but if inbetween i never got any OP what do i do

[tropic umbra]

both

sweeping + cleave

cause sweeping affects overpower

so overpower x2 and then cleave is better with SS up too

if you're out of overpower stacks then fill with thunderclap or whirlwind

both of those will reset a stack of overpower

[white hedge]

oh ah

alright big thanks sire

[mortal crag]

me rn

[white hedge]

so the optimal big aoe opener would be
charge
thunderclap
avatar+bs+WB
roar
OP
OP
cleave
WW
bs
SS
OP
OP
cleave
aye?

[mortal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/puzzle-angry-homer-simpson-the-gif-24774783

[mortal crag]

afaik u roar prior to ava bs

[shadow ibex]

blizz really nailed it when they said the aoe rotation lacks direction

ill give them that

[white hedge]

did i do something wrong?

[mortal crag]

i think itd be charge clap roar ava wb ww bladestorm

[obsidian wave]

Why do we OPx2 into cleave?

[shadow ibex]

nah its just hilarious

the arms aoe situation i mean

[mortal crag]

@obsidian wave talents

[white hedge]

oh i always though a avatar boosted roar is better
but aye thanks

[dire hinge]

overpower gives a buff called "martial prowess", and that buff empowers your next Mortal Strike or Cleave

[daring heron]

just press buttons sameish result either way

[shadow ibex]

most of roars dmg is the dot, the on use doesnt need to be boosted

[shadow ibex]

[obsidian wave]

And this buff stacks?

[white hedge]

i always thought avatar boosted the dot

[dire hinge]

up to 2, yes

[white hedge]

well sheet

alright thnaks

[shadow ibex]

it does boost the dot

[cursive sun]

twice

[obsidian wave]

Ty

[cursive sun]

you do t need to pop avatar before for the dot to get boosted

snapshotting doesnt exist anymore

[shadow ibex]

but the direct dmg is pennies and doesnt really need to be boosted

[white hedge]

oh its

OH I NEVER KNEW LOL

[shadow ibex]

90% of the dmg is the dot

[white hedge]

thought it was like ff

[shadow ibex]

nah

[cursive sun]

no they got rid of snapshotting long time ago

sad lowkey

[white hedge]

i see i see

thanks

[cursive sun]

:(

[gaunt ginkgo]

for warrior it doesn't exist anymore*

[dire hinge]

for everybody except feral*

[gaunt ginkgo]

and rogues

[white hedge]

i heard rogue still have

ye

[gaunt ginkgo]

Specifically assassination

But they all get it a bit

[cursive sun]

assa joke of a spec

[daring heron]

assa who

[mortal crag]

a piece of dat assa

i usually just try to charge clap roar + ava wb ww spin

and then the rest i just

slam my head

against keyboard

[daring heron]

just vibe

[mortal crag]

yh pmuch

[cursive sun]

JUST

[mortal crag]

who cares if i send cleave with 1 or 2 stacks

[cursive sun]

[shadow ibex]

the cleave police

[mortal crag]

🚓

🚓

[nova marsh]

My parses!

[shadow ibex]

you know in your heart you should be getting x2 stacks

[mortal crag]

aye listen

if it lines up

i fuck wit it

if it dont

it dont

[shadow ibex]

is your money being longer worth your lifespan being shorter?

ask yourself

[mortal crag]

u know whats important

2 whirlwinds in one wb

THATS

a feelsgood

[shadow ibex]

has anyone gotten 3 WW inside blunt instri with PI + lust?

[feral umbra]

I am struggling with my next embellishment choces. Ive got Allied Bracer. Highest Sim in Raid is SHadowflame, why do some many ppl talk about BSL? 😄

[shadow ibex]

maybe need hourglass trinket or blazehoof for haste to get 3

[nova marsh]

Because it fucks in keys

Just pop it on an opener and it's paid for itself

[dire hinge]

BSL outpaces shadowflame at higher uptime, your sim might be underselling its value, but it's entirely dependent on whether or not you're using defensives and avoiding damage + solid healers

[sterile topaz]

which bullion trinket should i go for if i wanna mix raid and m+ do you guys think?

[dire hinge]

shadowflame doesn't require that extra effort, and it does "good enough"

[nova marsh]

BSL also has more of am effect on aoe

[mortal crag]

can you BSL+flavor pocket?

[frigid lava]

im just going lariat

based

[nova marsh]

Packet isn't an embellishment

[mortal crag]

ik but can u put packet

on armor

like can i put packet on my cape

[charred brook]

is there a good guide for the legendary quest mats required

[nova marsh]

But it's p hard to find a slot for packet due to rings being taken up

[charred brook]

i want to buy them ahead of time, what i can atleast

[feral umbra]

So u would suggest me to Pick BSL instead of Shadowflame right?

[nova marsh]

Check the wowhead guide

[charred brook]

kk

[nova marsh]

For fyraloth

And also remeber to stack up on ALL awakened elements

[vague brook]

Guys, is emissary of war quest supposed to give 2 bullions or 1 ?

[dire hinge]

it's ultimately your call, neither choice is incorrect.

[cursive sun]

yes just press some defensives and ull he fine

[nova marsh]

2

[charred brook]

how many u think i need of each

[vague brook]

why does mine give only 1

[nova marsh]

Try 100 of each is what I did

[charred brook]

kk

[dire hinge]

got a screenshot of you turning the quest in and receiving only one currency?

should be in your chat log

[vague brook]

no i just have this

i didnt do the quest yet

[dire hinge]

🤔 interesting

[vague brook]

on my other character it shows 2 as a reward but on this character it shows 1

[latent hull]

Maybe u got 2 bullions in raid

[dire hinge]

did you already get 2 this week from raiding?

[latent hull]

?

[vague brook]

no i just logged in after work, like i havent done a single thing except opening my weekly vault

[cursive sun]

uhmmmm

did they just fix it maybe?

D:

thank god i did it this morning

[dire hinge]

i'd either put in a support ticket, or try doing the quest and seeing if it gives 2

[charred brook]

https://i.imgur.com/NGjwf0p.png

mine still says 2

[cursive sun]

hm

[nova marsh]

It could very well be a visual bug

[dire hinge]

no, my alt shows it 2 still

true

[smoky kayak]

could be a display error with whatever addons you're using

[cursive sun]

yea put in a ticket that

[vague brook]

yeah mine on my alt says 2 as well, but on my main it shows 1

[smoky kayak]

could try abandoning and picking the quest back up again

[cursive sun]

^

[dire hinge]

and turning off all addons and looking at it again

[nova marsh]

Could also try with all add-ons disabled

[smoky kayak]

but I'm willing to bet w/e this is, it's just a display error

[vague brook]

okay, ill try in a bit and ill update you

thank you

[hearty pewter]

just finished the quest

[compact geyser]

should i recraft back to shadowflame from bsl once i get the ring?

[mellow seal]

thhe helm enchant procs it so you could uise the mastery one if you are a chad

[compact geyser]

ok so helm and axe are enough? i have bsl on neck so not gonna swap it dont have to

[mellow seal]

someone could correct me but im pretty sure just the helm is enough and the axe is just extra

[halcyon breach]

The helm is far from enough

However the lego alone is

The uptime of the ring is roughly 6%~ with helm enchant only, but the lego brings it up to 27%

[hearty pewter]

yeah helm is depending on the procs but axe is always on the mobs

[frigid lava]

I thought my rings would shine this week...

[mellow seal]

im torn between the ring and oce

[frigid lava]

but then...

[hearty pewter]

F

[split lantern]

same here 13th kill +1 normal 😦

[mellow seal]

i got 16 herioc kills apparently some of them were before the catch up mechanic though

[mortal crag]

yh since leggo was completed week 3 i believe

[hearty pewter]

maybe week 1 kill

[mortal crag]

week 1 and week 2 u couldnt drop afaik

[mellow seal]

yeah so i thhink im guaranteed next week

[mortal crag]

on my drop i did normal copium into heroic

[frigid lava]

oh... I just realized I only killed 9

[mortal crag]

and it dropped

LUL

[frigid lava]

whatever... i already spent 4 bullions on rings

[mellow seal]

you should of prob bought the nelth sword tbh with 9 kills

[frigid lava]

I'm gambling i guess

[hearty pewter]

Ashkandur would have been better i guess

[frigid lava]

Leggo could have dropped this week... then I'd regret buying asscandy

[hearty pewter]

but gambling is always a option

[frigid lava]

once leggo drops, ashkandur is a goner.

[hearty pewter]

imgine axe would also do that

thats 2 minutes

[shadow ibex]

axe is intimate

[frigid lava]

sad stuff

[shadow ibex]

just me and it

fighting fyrak shade

the world doesnt need to know, i know

[hearty pewter]

and the everyone ping on guild discord

[shadow ibex]

maybe

[compact geyser]

i was thinking the same thing but then i simmed and the ring was a 2.9% upgrade and OCE was like 1.6% so ring is safe bet

[mellow seal]

yeah maybe i should get the ring i think only a couple of ppl picked up oce this week

not like anything matters if i dont get the axe anyways

[frigid lava]

OCE is nice... esp when others have it too.

[alpine burrow]

hey guys, for m+, is it better to sim patchwerk or dungeon slice?

[frigid lava]

i sim dungeon slice but don't listen to me

[tepid citrus]

I sim dungeon because the number is bigger. We llike big numbers

[frigid lava]

big number hnnnnng

[fossil thistle]

“A triumphant chop echoes from atop the Obsidian Throne as Fyr’alath the Dreamrender is formed.”

🤔

[dire hinge]

dungeon slice is fine to use, there's some nuance around other sims getting insights, but generally speaking just get a ballpark estimate from Dungeon Slice and then go run some keys and see how it feels

[vague brook]

Ok so weird thing about the quest giving 1 bullion, when i abandon it and go to pick it up, it says it rewards 2 bullions, but when i accept it, it changes reward to 1

[dire hinge]

interesting, like the Quest Log shows 1?

[vague brook]

yeah

[dire hinge]

probably a display issue then yeah. My alts show 2 in their questlogs atm (tried on two different alts)

[hearty pewter]

do a announcement over the entire island

[dire hinge]

i'd just complete the quest and if you only get 1 bullion submit a support ticket

[vague brook]

well good thing is i got the legendary axe after 12 heroic kills ;-;

[fossil thistle]

[fossil thistle]

Just checked on mobile as well, shows 2 for me

[smoky kayak]

pretty sure you have some display error

this screams addon or something to me

[vague brook]

yes it screams addon and it is addon xD

if anyone is using Classic Quest Log addon, you might get an unpleasant surprise, its actually that addon

sorry for upsetting y'all

[steel tapir]

hey all what are the best trinket for m+ ?

[mortal crag]

yes

[gray steeple]

Check the guides. Pinned

[fossil thistle]

One that does damage but not too much damage because if we’re too pump blizzard will chop our knees out

[opaque citrus]

Nah they’d only do that to a spec that has struggled all xpac and been severely underrepresented in all content

[fossil thistle]

you got me

[olive nest]

Poor Ele

[fossil thistle]

Who? Never heard of her

[steep osprey]

he's losing it

[cobalt lily]

heya guys ....what would u get with bullion? trink such as augury or ring (Fire dmg?) or even cloak from Sark ? 😛 ...im in a dilemma 😛

[olive nest]

LOL

[olive nest]

Eranog ring

[opaque citrus]

heya guys ....what would u get with bullion? trink such as augury or ring (Fire dmg?) or even cloak from Sark ? 😛 ...im in a dilemma 😛

[shadow ibex]

i hate this

[olive nest]

Eranog ring

[shadow ibex]

burn it all down

[cobalt lily]

than whispers (Trink) ? 😄 ?

[olive nest]

Change skyhold server name to “Eranog Ring” for a day

[sick wave]

eranog ring or chromatic?

[frigid lava]

eggnog ring

[olive nest]

Ring of nog

[shadow ibex]

eggnog is ass

[opaque citrus]

Circlet derived from alcoholic milk-based beverage served traditionally in the late autumn

[somber lance]

sim giving me a headache. need to replace shadowflame cloak but have no cape replacement

[little nova]

Can someone let me know if my stats are scuffed please? My damage seems to be in the dumpster and I can't work out why .-.

[opaque citrus]

It’s because you’re 501ilvl

🙂

[little nova]

Tbf, a good chunk of my gear is 510+ it's just I've got a neckpiece dragging me down that I've not been able to replace 😂

[tight iris]

for simming m+ is it better to do dungeon slice or 5 patchwerk

[little nova]

Like people lower ilvl than me in keys seem to be doing way more

[tight iris]

last seasons 4 piece is way better for keys. So the people lower ilvl than you dumpstering you are probably still running that

[little nova]

Fair, ty

[cunning needle]

Hi! i have a question, what trinket should i get as arms warrior this season or should i get the eranog ring first?

[frigid lava]

not having to refill rend was very convenient

[drifting widget]

anvil simming signnificantly higher than OCE for me...that normal?

[steep osprey]

crit has streamer luck

[copper swan]

late vault opening

[drifting widget]

..and whispering incarnate simming higher than both

[cunning needle]

icy veins says signet brand as a second buy asfter leggo upgrade

[astral yarrow]

@daring heron what did you buy this week

[magic canopy]

diurna ring good

[astral yarrow]

kek

[drifting widget]

diurna ring is 1.1% dps, whereas anvil is showing 2.2% dps gain

[ripe dragon]

Whispering sim set up to include tank, healer, and dps? Because you prob aren’t going to see many tanks with it.

[bold jolt]

what are the best trinkets for m+ ?

[violet steeple]

Anvil is 2.2 on a long enough fight used perfectly

The ring is giga BIS for everything

[cunning needle]

So the eranog ring over signet?

[violet steeple]

Signet same problem, very few fights are lasting 5m

[gray steeple]

Every “bis” trinket has conditions attached to it. The eggnog ring is just good in every instance.

[violet steeple]

Smolder, Tindral, Fyrakk went over 5m last night on mythic

All the other fights were 3-4.5mins

[cunning needle]

So the ring is best this week with the amidrassil raid being the weekly raid and signet can drop

[daring heron]

stop

[astral yarrow]

[magic canopy]

[tepid citrus]

When you buy the shield ring and not the fire dps ring on accident.

[bold jolt]

OCE good for m+ ?

[magic canopy]

no accident

[sacred zodiac]

king

[magic canopy]

ring protects bsl good

[tepid citrus]

Ok I don't feel so bad now

[drifting widget]

what would you bullion and craft with this?:

[sick wave]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[tepid citrus]

Allied Wrists or Neck

[sick wave]

both

[drifting widget]

the neck is myth track

[sick wave]

i crafted boots on first week fckme

[tepid citrus]

get the wrists. or be a mega chad and go frostfire leggings

[drifting widget]

those wrists are also myth track...

[cunning needle]

im taking this one

[tepid citrus]

Dont think that matters.