is that good in riad?
#arms
balmy agate
balmy agate
got it!
olive nest
Especially on fights that end during your 2nd use
obsidian topaz
Hmmmm. Myth shoulders, ashkandur for Fury, Myth sword for fury or manicccc
exotic knot
Manic is fun if you are progging
olive nest
ill use the 3rd bullion on sark cloak then
Icon/oce is actually a great combo for ST
Assuming all buffs again
somber lance
Hmmmm. Myth shoulders, ashkandur for Fury, Myth sword for fury or manicccc
gotta be mythic shoulders
obsidian topaz
Im using puzzlebox and idol
obsidian topaz
gotta be mythic shoulders
Im hesitating between that and ashkandur
fossil thistle
Hmmmm. Myth shoulders, ashkandur for Fury, Myth sword for fury or manicccc
Definitely two sockets
somber lance
ashkandur is easy to get me thinks but depends how much you play fury
obsidian topaz
I used to main it, but swapped to arms recently
obsidian topaz
exactly
olive nest
So go torch
obsidian topaz
im not as fluid as I was with S3 fury, that felt really good
olive nest
Any class likes torch if people in your group die often
It’s a for fun pick that can go off if you get to use it a lot
obsidian topaz
Might depend on what I buy with bullion too, got leggo last week, was thinking OCE
torch any good in M+?
ive seen it be like 10% of people damage
olive nest
Not preferred but again can be a for fun pick that has the opportunity to perform sometimes
somber lance
Might depend on what I buy with bullion too, got leggo last week, was thinking O...
should get ring
it sims the best for me
bold kayak
Got ring from my vault, so buying oce or icon
bold kayak
Yup mythic too, got heroic brand week one.
obsidian topaz
bruh
cloud lagoon
I guess this will be my weapon until legendary https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/628519551159762944/1237516534767947868/image.png?ex=663bee95&is=663a9d15&hm=a0ed757b9c5ae3f77843dbc14d184f769a58af730d1bf007dbee029f1faaa173&
tough steppe
cloud lagoon
Also, I cannot replace my bushwhackers compass 0 trinket drops -_-
I never saw the nokud trinket ever drop
bold kayak
wtf is icon
Whispering incarnate icon trinket from vault similar to oce
obsidian topaz
our BIS is icon AND OCE?
hushed plume
Is Sark cloak worth it? Heard its uptime is kinda low
ember glen
bold kayak
our BIS is icon AND OCE?
honest girder
Is Sark cloak worth it? Heard its uptime is kinda low
Huge loss of stamina too
balmy agate
any not having the dreamsurge 0/100 count. am i doing something wrong?
smoky kayak
Huge loss of stamina too
its like 5% hp, not that huge
balmy agate
i got like 25 and my count still says 0/100
smoky kayak
any not having the dreamsurge 0/100 count. am i doing something wrong?
valdrakken doesn't count
balmy agate
oh lame
honest girder
its like 5% hp, not that huge
Depends on your stage of gearing
obsidian topaz
I have one of those too haha
honest girder
Signet doesn’t outpace anvil until 4m+ or something
mellow seal
how is this possible i dont hhave the weapon
honest girder
It’s very backloaded
obsidian topaz
how i augury so high up there
fossil thistle
how is this possible i dont hhave the weapon
Did you kill multiple times in the same week?
smoky kayak
Depends on your stage of gearing
I mean, yeah if you're like 500 ilvl and have a 528 regular cloak, going to sark might be slightly more than 5%, but overall stam on cloak is worth about 5% of your total HP
verbal marten
and anvil still out performs
mellow seal
Did you kill multiple times in the same week?
no
verbal marten
how is this possible i dont hhave the weapon
this isnt possible
bitter jungle
So like I'm worried my Sim is lying to me, lol. I have a 519 item level Blazehoof and a 512 Puzzlebox in the vault, and my Sim is telling me to take Blazehoof even though Archi's sims say that Puzzlebox outperforms Blazehoof at that item level by a lot ....
azure goblet
What did you buy with your Bullion?
bitter jungle
Should I listen to the Sim or just go with Puzzlebox?
verbal marten
so u do have multiple kills in the same week
knotty shoal
For the 2nd crafting, what are they doing the mastery neck?
mellow seal
this isnt possible
its literally possible it just happened to me
verbal marten
no it isnt
mellow seal
it literally is check my logs for double kills
verbal marten
link it
smoky kayak
So like I'm worried my Sim is lying to me, lol. I have a 519 item level Blazehoo...
you're comparing 519 and 512 in whatever gear you're wearing, which is a whole lot different than comparing equal ilevel stuff
Anvil doesn't drop at 535 🤔
Neither does OCE or Pips
somber lance
i thought all bullion went to 535?
verbal marten
awakened gear does tho
copper swan
528
fossil thistle
@mellow seal do you have greater embers in your bank
balmy agate
best place to farm the dreamsureg stuff>?
smoky kayak
awakened gear does tho
no they don't
somber lance
ohhhh
verbal marten
so is raidbots spreading misinformation
azure goblet
ye only rare items 535
manic stirrup
only very rare items
mellow seal
<@229416502770532353> do you have greater embers in your bank
i mean i can check
copper swan
very rares from last 2 bosses
nova marsh
Not even
smoky kayak
so is raidbots spreading misinformation
nope, just you are lol
mellow seal
<@229416502770532353> do you have greater embers in your bank
no
verbal marten
i mean ti should be the same as raid were it only upgrades the gear to their appropriate ilvl
somber lance
ok so all bullion are 528 except very rare rings?
nova marsh
Dosent icon go up to 35?
smoky kayak
smh
honest girder
ok so all bullion are 528 except very rare rings?
Cloak, trinkets
barren sandal
for m+ focus, i just use companion bracers and a mastery focus neck right?
smoky kayak
very rare items go up to 535
not very rare items cap at 528
it's not rocket surgery guys
shadow jacinth
what's a rocket?
verbal marten
hey not my fault raidbots is doodoo
smoky kayak
also the droptimizer automatically does this for you
somber lance
rocket surgery kek
honest girder
hey not my fault raidbots is doodoo
It’s not raidbots tho
smoky kayak
hey not my fault raidbots is doodoo
it's not, either you can't read or you're adding bad input
cause raidbots auto sets it to 535 for VRare or 528 for everything else, as I just showed you above
honest girder
If you go droptimizer the season 4 vendors and max out ilvl at 535
verbal marten
it's not, either you can't read or you're adding bad input
his sim shows 535 mine doesnt im just a bit confused
somber lance
i was using gear compare which is why i made the mistake
honest girder
Some of the items cap at 528
verbal marten
this is mine
somber lance
i set the ilvl myself
barren sandal
his sim shows 535 mine doesnt im just a bit confused
just need to click the button to set things to max upgrade...
smoky kayak
this is mine
that literally says 528 wtf are you even going on about
verbal marten
like i said his says 535
smoky kayak
cause he input them manually lol
somber lance
i explained i set the ilvl myself
copper swan
icon is very rare BUT from an early boss, it doesn't go to 535
verbal marten
ah
smoky kayak
stop saying raidbots is wrong when he clearly did it wrong himself lol
smoky kayak
smh people c'mon
verbal marten
fr cmon guys i cant believe someone would spread misinformation like that
smoky kayak
this is why you're not rocket surgerists
honest girder
fr cmon guys i cant believe someone would spread misinformation like that
Heard of critical thought?
copper swan
icon has 12 levels of upgrade - augury 14
honest girder
Awakening 1/12 or 1/14
verbal marten
Heard of critical thought?
idk what that means
verbal marten
english is my 3rd language
worldly scaffold
what trinket yall buying if you have an anvil and a PB?
worldly scaffold
and probably wont be stacking enough for essence
smoky kayak
surgerists is lit
ty
honest girder
I really want an augury
worldly scaffold
im thinking the same
its low on the list but signet doesnt seem worth for me cause we only run heroic and shit dies fast
somber lance
augury for arms because of ilvl?
tough steppe
honest girder
Unfortunately icon sims miles above everything
verbal marten
anyone got that string to sim for al oce buffs
worldly scaffold
Yeah but i doubt ill have a consistent stacking for icon
honest girder
augury for arms because of ilvl?
I just never managed to get one last season and always wanted it 😂
tough steppe
<:bedge:882323848844963860>
This thing just said that Ret is reliant on Fyralath to be good on M+
worldly scaffold
my 489 aug still does a pretty decent chunk of dmg
tough steppe
What the fuck 
white trail
taking the gloves worked out, got a champion neck from the weekly quest box, much better than 476
worldly scaffold
well puzzle box cooldown isnt triggered by anvil
verbal marten
here i found it
copy=Bronze
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=bronze
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/emerald/obsidian/ruby
copy=Emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/obsidian/ruby
copy=Obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/ruby
copy=Azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=bronze/emerald/obsidian/ruby
copy=Ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/obsidian
worldly scaffold
in case anyone was wondering
dry frost
A casual 1.2 mil dps Pure ST
loud lance
sorry the question must have been asked 1500 times but what is the best bullion item to buy after lego ?
dry frost
sorry the question must have been asked 1500 times but what is the best bullion ...
Sim it
honest girder
sorry the question must have been asked 1500 times but what is the best bullion ...
Eggnog ring seems to be recommended
copper swan
depends on what u do too
loud lance
mm + handy, pushing 14 atm so not high, and got nothing as '' broken '' item atm , even playing with rumbling ruby xD
copper swan
u love pushing ?
copper swan
cause sark coak doesn't have stamina
unborn basin
if we were to take a trinket with bullions which one should we take?
I still have s3 rezan and s3 ember of null
copper swan
<#1234949058121171069>
^
honest girder
Archi, why is augury so much better for fury than arms, given that arms crit more. Is it the sheer amount of hits that fury does by comparison?
hardy phoenix
From these options, the rarest and more usefull is Puzzle Box right?
dreamy egret
once you have 502 every slot shouldnt we be able to purchase the satchel of wyrm crests?
copper swan
From these options, the rarest and more usefull is Puzzle Box right?
seems like your box is heroic track tho
so can be farmed in +7s
hardy phoenix
Yeah but farming sux XD
And Mythic head is easier right? any head will do with 1 token per week
bitter jungle
you're comparing 519 and 512 in whatever gear you're wearing, which is a whole l...
Huh. I guess I was looking at the chart wrong then. I was looking at the blood mallet values for the same item level.
dreamy egret
like why cant I purchase wyrm crests?
copper swan
yeah, if u get a head
hardy phoenix
I dropped my rezan last tier in the 20thish dg
copper swan
u don't have aspects
dreamy egret
no see the 90 im trying to upgrade drakecrests to wyrm
if you have 502 every slot it should allow you to trade 90 drake crests in for 15 wyrm
craggy geode
Are you at the Cap already?
copper swan
ohhh right
copper swan
is it 502 or 506
dreamy egret
everything equipped takes wyrm crest
smoky kayak
Huh. I guess I was looking at the chart wrong then. I was looking at the blood m...
yes but your 519 and 512 aren't the same ilvl
copper swan
maiden copper
are we supposed to get 4/5 or 5/5 for tier? if 4/5, which slot do we want not as tier
obsidian wave
bad vault makes me sadge
halcyon breach
are we supposed to get 4/5 or 5/5 for tier? if 4/5, which slot do we want not as...
Legs is the technical best off piece slot, and instead have the Assault legs
But it genuinely doesn't matter that much at all, very min/max stuff
maiden copper
ok
inner wasp
is there a way to translate bugsack reports into english
knotty shoal
A question, where are you doing the 2nd crafting?
halcyon breach
Cloak or Wrists for BSL
regal ledge
Y'all running cleave in raid this week for these fights? Or just sweeping strikes like last tier?
halcyon breach
Y'all running cleave in raid this week for these fights? Or just sweeping strike...
No fight really warrants Cleave, except maybe Tindral
regal ledge
Ah ok, thanks!
smoky kayak
so then you're a Sark cloak enjoyer too, right?
inner wasp
is no stam the only downside to sark cloak?
halcyon breach
Looked at some logs from this week, and the only person with Myth kills had absolutely horrendous proc timings of the cloak
inner wasp
more dps for less hp? only upsides there
nova marsh
Stupid question
halcyon breach
Like one overlap from what I could glance with Avatar, at the end of it
nova marsh
Does anyone have the OCE sim string
halcyon breach
And a proc during downstairs on Sark xd
cloud lagoon
I was like how did you have vaults. And I realised that NA is a thing.
final dove
heard the weekly was giving people LFR bullion is this true?
fossil thistle
Max vers in the streets, sark cloak in the sheets
( hard to trust pugs)
fossil thistle
Working as intended
brittle light
i cant find a fix, its not an addon
fossil thistle
All the “buggy” looking ones are groups that don’t take warriors
brittle light
LMFAO
fossil thistle
Aka Al of them
brittle light
no way thats real
mellow seal
is there a way to check thhe dates of statistic kills? im pretty sure all 16 of my herioc kills are unique
obsidian topaz
ring just doesnt seem like that big a DPS increase
lost zodiac
what are the stats on our crafted neck in our bis profile
fossil thistle
what are the stats on our crafted neck in our bis profile
Should be o wow heads bis list, but bis for your current gear could be different 🤷🏻♂️
halcyon breach
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/DF4_Raid.html you can always check here for the technical bis profiles
Although some might have tiny min/max %'s that has been overlooked, but they're typically the very highest
obsidian topaz
for me its like 1% more in ST and in dungeon slice too
gray steeple
The ring? It's like 7k boost for me at 511. You must have cracked gear or bad sims
outer holly
for me its like 1% more in ST and in dungeon slice too
Sounds about right, it's somewhere between 1-2% overall damage
obsidian topaz
The ring? It's like 7k boost for me at 511. You must have cracked gear or bad si...
halcyon breach
for me its like 1% more in ST and in dungeon slice too
1% damage for completely free and no downside is a lot
nova marsh
So umm
Am I misunderstanding how to sim OCE?
it keeps giving me back errors when I run the string for all buffs
halcyon breach
Are you doing it in Advanced sim
obsidian topaz
The ring? It's like 7k boost for me at 511. You must have cracked gear or bad si...
were not going to see OCE for another 3 weeks anyway
nova marsh
This is the report I got back
nova marsh
Also I got OCE in the vault
halcyon breach
This is the report I got back
What kind of string are you using
mortal crag
i did dslice
flat grotto
is running OCE with Icon good or do we want some sort of on use /dmg effect instead
mortal crag
dslice sim to check what would be optimal and ashes is first? 
halcyon breach
Ashes is usable but not something I'd ever recommend over Puzzle Box
mortal crag
how do i sim aoe then
if i wanna tke into account m+ options
since obv in a sim scenario signet and anvil shit on everything
halcyon breach
I just sim Patchwerk 5 min 1 target and use w/e it spits out
mortal crag
halcyon breach
Trinkets you use some of your own thinking for
glossy olive
How do you get 2 bullion again?
halcyon breach
Doing the weekly dungeon quest
halcyon breach
JUST MAKE FURY VIABLE SO I CAN ROLL AUGURY ON EVERYTHING
Fury is viable in keys rn after the buff
Maybe not for dungeons where you pull the entire dungeon at once
But it's still good
But if you want to know a setup that'll be good for both specs, you can just run Puzzle + OCE/Icon
Can't go wrong with it
strange perch
JUST MAKE FURY VIABLE SO I CAN ROLL AUGURY ON EVERYTHING
i mean they just buffed it so it's gonna be better
mortal crag
But if you want to know a setup that'll be good for both specs, you can just run...
Between the two which one seems to be the more popular option? Oce/icon i mean
Haven't gotten puzzle yet ill work on it tmrw
halcyon breach
Can't say, but from what I've heard most tanks don't want to use Icon unless they're group players
As some of them call it, a "jail"
mortal crag
So u reckon oce might be the easier play?
candid crater
its funny seein trade chat in major servers turn into LFG again because of this shitshow
halcyon breach
I haven't looked at other specs, but no buffs and OCE (Icon too) is still strong on its own, and you're more likely to find 1-2 people with different stats, than both a healer and tank using it
olive nest
Wahli was saying earlier that icon dps+healer beats Oce unless all 5 oce buffs
mortal crag
True
olive nest
So there’s that
halcyon breach
Unless you're playing with a consistent group though, you can't really account for it
And it's sort of just a send it regardless
Especially since there aren't many good passives for keys, apart from Icon/OCE or pips
obsidian topaz
is icon good for keys? or you need a group with it?
halcyon breach
Pips is definitely a very strong and consistent option
halcyon breach
Doesn't rely on your groups setup
lost zodiac
But what are the odds of healer taking icon in m+
QE has WII BIS for MW, but much lower than OCE for priest. YMMV depending on what healer you run with and how convincing you are
i'm gonna take OCE next week
olive nest
If you only pug pips might even be the play
lost zodiac
my tank and healer have OCE so i'm guaranteed 3
at that point its better than WII alone
outer holly
Spiteful Storm is positively cracked for ST in my sims, did not expect that
teal fossil
It’s gonna get a bit worse as you gain ilevel
outer holly
Makes sense, multipliers and all that
final zenith
need 30 aspects and cannot figure out how to get into an m+ grp
mortal crag
What about ring for shield for m+?
olive nest
Have you tried clicking apply to group?
mortal crag
I alrdy have diurna ring
halcyon breach
I wouldn't prio Broodkeeper ring highly
outer holly
need 30 aspects and cannot figure out how to get into an m+ grp
Group finder still broken?
mortal crag
Just tryna figure out cuz it's bis stats for fury anyway
final zenith
yep its just glitchedo ut for me
halcyon breach
Unless you already have really good trinkets as is
outer holly
Yeah seeing a lot of people in trade LFG, feels like TBC all over again
obsidian topaz
and what does +all mean in the OCE sims?
final zenith
Have you tried clicking apply to group?
lol i mean group finder is literally broken so yes ive tried
olive nest
and what does +all mean in the OCE sims?
All buffs
obsidian topaz
can you elaborate ? how does that work
olive nest
The sim assumes you have all the buffs from the other flights, this means in practice 4 other people would be running the trinket with opposite flights chosen
frigid lava
good morning
hazy flower
What about ring for shield for m+?
just play it
lil bro
random shield cannot go wrong
obsidian topaz
The sim assumes you have all the buffs from the other flights, this means in pra...
so mostly just in raid?
it drops off massively without the +all in multitarget
olive nest
Yes correct
nova marsh
so how is cleaved used
Above 4 targs with 2x op always?
Does sweeping change it at all?
hazy flower
How can u say lil bro when ur a twink
LIL BRO
mortal crag
dreamy egret
normal mode kek
winged creek
inner wasp
oce is hero track
thorn sentinel
hi guys
nova marsh
I had an oce
thorn sentinel
how many runs is it total to get the legendary axe thingy from fyrrak ?
inner wasp
its rng
dire hinge
about 16 if not sooner
thorn sentinel
ok
dire hinge
16 being like, "worst rng possible"
thorn sentinel
i guess arms warrior dont have a opener or priority lsit ?
mellow quiver
wispering incarnate of ominous chromatic esscence first?
dire hinge
we do, it's in the wowhead guide for rotation
mellow quiver
are this guide any good ?
watch jeventes tv
or critcake
anyone knows if whispering incarnate icon or ominous chromatic essence wich one prior?
inner wasp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4MI2zdPB9Y
human in thumbnail? bad vid
warrior is an orc class
thorn sentinel
watch jeventes tv
do critcake have any arms warrior pve guide
dire hinge
anyone knows if whispering incarnate icon or ominous chromatic essence wich one ...
you can find this information in the #updates-midnight channel, for example:
#updates-midnight message
hexed saddle
are this guide any good ?
based on previous nino guides, its prob pretty good, but I havent watched this one specifically
dire hinge
they're quite even though
thorn sentinel
i guess all pve guide on youtube are bad for arms season 4 ?
cloud lagoon
warrior is an orc class
It is 2024 Vulpera should make more ppl click on it 
dire hinge
i guess all pve guide on youtube are bad for arms season 4 ?
i dont believe anyone said this, people recommended 2 people to check out above, and even said the one you linked is fine
watch multiple guides and see if one clicks with you
nova marsh
hey hroth
dire hinge
if you have any specific questions about arms itself, or need clarification you can always ask here
nova marsh
How do aoe with new tier
dire hinge
Deswind had a really nice simplified version I've been using with good success.
Your core rotation changes based on target count, so you swap MS for Cleave depending on if it's 1-3 or 4+ targets.
there was some nuance for small gains, but as a rule of thumb it's quite cozy
nova marsh
Ohhhh okay
reef glade
nice 10 alg 
nova marsh
So basically same rotation as usual just swap MS for cleave above 4 and only use cleave with 2x op
dire hinge
basically yeah, and you want to lead with WW before Bladestorm, and prioritize OP as your filler whenever possible
exotic knot
Is WW above cleave and OP in the rotation?
inner wasp
basically yeah, and you want to lead with WW before Bladestorm, and prioritize O...
thought ur prioritizing cds before bs?
dire hinge
thought ur prioritizing cds before bs?
right, im just not going to type out the full rotation and priority system here. My comment was in regards to doing your normal rotation/priority, but with the adjustment of "right before you Bladestorm, try using a WW in there first"
nova marsh
Does that apply to opener too?
inner wasp
right, im just not going to type out the full rotation and priority system here....
i meant before whirlwind
cds before whirlwind
dire hinge
in aoe, and if you can afford it at the time
dire hinge
cds before whirlwind
yes exactly
proud plover
i honestly feel this entire when to cleave convo is trolling sometims!
nova marsh
so I do actual damage
I apologize for not getting 4pc sooner
RNG gave me a giant middle finger last week
dire hinge
luckily it's Arms so as long as you roughly hit your buttons in even kind of the right order Roar is just going to carry your damage anyways in your opener
proud plover
^^
exotic knot
Maybe a dumb question, but does cleave benefit from SweepingStrikes
dire hinge
it does not, and that's not a dumb question 👍
exotic knot
Because it's not an ST ability
So WW same thing
dire hinge
correct! does not benefit
exotic knot
aight thanks
proud plover
so free bullion this week completes my bsl + absorb ring dream
dire hinge
Overpower does though, and generates two Dreadnaught lines (and each of these can hit the same target), and that's where the bulk of your damage will come from in keys
nova marsh
Lego + Shadowflame patch
proud plover
only a small upgrade - been hardstuck on a 483 ring
nova marsh
Dude SAME
exotic knot
Overpower does though, and generates two Dreadnaught lines (and each of these ca...
Ahh so I always wanna Sweeping Strikes in aoe, unless I am going to Bladestorm I am guessing
proud plover
and my first key this week will give me 2k rating so heroic tier shoulders instead of lfrr shoulders
its a good weeek
dire hinge
Ahh so I always wanna Sweeping Strikes in aoe, unless I am going to Bladestorm I...
correct! Try not to use Sweeping when you'll Bladestorm while that buff is active. It's best to hold it for afterwards usually, so you're sweeping while you're in the "hurricane" (talent) buff window
proud plover
i was so close last week
frigid lava
yooooo
proud plover
grats
proud plover
AND beecause its emerald dream bonus week you wont have any issues farming superblooms
fading sage
Is the play still ring with all the things that Arch mentioned earlier?
errant jackal
remind me what bullion priority is?
cosmic oasis
Myth track Puzzle Box or Myth Track Tier helm with the endgame in mind.. knowing I focus on M+?
proud plover
Myth track Puzzle Box or Myth Track Tier helm with the endgame in mind.. knowing...
pb 100% - you might never see another in vault where you can get tier helm from anywhere
inner wasp
do i roar before smash on st opener too
cosmic oasis
pb 100% - you might never see another in vault where you can get tier helm from ...
Thanks
proud plover
do i roar before smash on st opener too
yes
inner wasp
feels so wrong
proud plover
when you understand why it feels so wrong to roar afterr
inner wasp
why
minor gust
lmao if ur grp finder is bugged turn on mature language filter
proud plover
roar doesnt spend rage so you lose a global in your cs window
inner wasp
ohhhhh
smoky kayak
ez key
inner wasp
HUH
nova marsh
That's a funny bug
mellow quiver
any weak auras to track tier set bonus?and leggo dmg?
nova marsh
Why do you care about lego damage
minor gust
I imagine blizz added the shitty OW AI into wow now
so say fuck and get ur account banned
cant wait
candid kindle
wasnt ow ai more lie anti racist stuff for permas?
mellow quiver
Why do you care about lego damage
just to check ive seen it can hit almost twice sometimes so
4.5 m is that normal?
proud plover
4.5 m is that normal?
yes with enough dots out, each dot on a mob buffs its on use damage
thick cairn
proud plover
^^ thats worth full crests and double flightstones for a complete even untimeed imo
spare goblet
Can anyone tell me why the frosted armor kit that gives armor and not the one that does stamina?
dry mesa
anyone have a good talent build to link for tindral?
wanna be able to contribute to root damage with a little more than just holding TR for the first and third
lone imp
how do we use ashes trinket? just send on cd?
nova marsh
Can anyone tell me why the frosted armor kit that gives armor and not the one th...
....because it's a different item?
What are you asking here?
As in why we take it? Cuz it's a dps increase
spare goblet
....because it's a different item?
It is a vs question for use on this class.
nova marsh
it's a small increase, I forgot the exact amount, to use frosted
because of Armoured to the teeth translating that to Strength
Basically it's a marginal DPS increase vs a small health bump. It's pretty much up to u
spare goblet
because of Armoured to the teeth translating that to Strength
Ah I see, cool.
reef glade
damn i rly want a reason to get the diurna ring
but its like 4k more dps to get sark cape
prolly cuz i like.. lose a fifth of my haste
nova marsh
Depends on what ur doing tbh
reef glade
yea i mean im not goin hard on m+ mostly just weekly 10s
always enjoy more survivability tho
errant jackal
whats the alternative to sark cape
reef glade
just any random cape
white vale
it also depends on when the sark cloak procs
cause you could just get fucked on the procs then it's useless
errant jackal
cause i got mythic cloak of lost devotion
reef glade
i mean its not as good as it could be but more stats is more stats
its not like youre doing less damage if it procs weird than not having it at all
inner wasp
is there an addon to put numbers on the blizz health UI https://i.imgur.com/mSFUuxu.png
reef glade
just like 500 dps buff instead of maybe 5k
inner wasp
i need to know when smth is getting close to execute
nova marsh
is there an addon to put numbers on the blizz health UI https://i.imgur.com/mSFU...
it's a base option?
frozen bramble
When to Puzzle box? Pre-pull?
nova marsh
....Fucking christ where is it actually
inner wasp
does not exist
obsidian topaz
what would you guys take from vault and bullion if you were me? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dXqYLTPoxiZU9f87iwce3P
nova marsh
It's under status text in diseplay
obsidian topaz
you can see the trinkets I have there and the vault items too
nova marsh
It's by default, for some god awful reason, set to none
inner wasp
oh thank god
nova marsh
Right here
inner wasp
ty
nova marsh
What's odd is mine is set to none....but it shows hp and percent LOL
inner wasp
so on aoe fights like gnarlroot do i just accept my position as prio damage
or do i go cleave
quartz cedar
anyone running double BSL?
lean geode
Anyone know how to run sim to see which OCE to use?
grand idol
Theres a string thing yo ucan add to do them all. Which I might still have or you can quick sim them each seperately.
grand idol
Anyone know how to run sim to see which OCE to use?
no sorry, I deleted the string you could paste in simc to do them al lat once. You can either search for it in the discord or run each seperately in quick sims.
inner wasp
what do i do if ava/roar come off cd while im rage dumping in smash
just hold til after TOM window?
spare goblet
Blue silken lining is the best thing to put on the torc, yes?
proud plover
Blue silken lining is the best thing to put on the torc, yes?
yes
tough steppe
arms kinda broken 
spare goblet
yes
I guess I can't put this on it since it's a spark of awakening and not a spark of shadowflame?
spare goblet
wait
This is SO confusing. I dont know how to get it above 502
enchanted crests, sparks...
They made this impossible to understand
proud plover
its very unfrieendly to learn yes, but then its simple
spare goblet
JFC what is a nascent lol
frozen bramble
Crest you buy from Jewelcrafting vendor
proud plover
the 'spark' part allows it to be crafted (awakening it current season) - shadowflame spark gets replaced by awakened spark - then you need an enchanted crest to empower its ilvl frrom 502 and can go all the way to 525
spare goblet
the 'spark' part allows it to be crafted (awakening it current season) - shad...
So I do this first? I dont think I'm missing anything
frozen bramble
So I do this first? I dont think I'm missing anything
You need enchanted crest
spare goblet
You need enchanted crest
I don't have any crests to feed it
proud plover
no they using the pvp one
frozen bramble
Oh my b
spare goblet
I was only going to add the pvp because I had it in my bag
I don't have any crests because I didnt know I needed to learn a new system
So even with this 502 spark thing I shouldn't craft the baseline neck?
charred brook
@proud plover if we have Avatar and TR coming up in less than 20 seconds do we hold CS?
Lets say they are coming up in like 17s
i remember doing this as fury
latent moss
minor gust
what world is this my 535 call to chaos is simming better than 522 puzzle box
inner wasp
in raid exe phase
proud plover
<@242096763383578624> if we have Avatar and TR coming up in less than 20 seconds...
never hold cs
inner wasp
is it better to exe exe exe ms or exe exe op ms
charred brook
oh really wow
interesting
i remember holding reck if my other CDs were less than 20s on fury
i think it was
or maybe even 10s
proud plover
only reason youd hold it is if you know a prio add is coming (fryakk adds) and its within like 10 secs
becasue of the cdr we get with cd via am you dont hold it
so sittting on it is bad, prolly the worst tthing you can do as arms tbh
charred brook
i see
bad habit then lol
i remember getting flamed hard as fury back in s2
becuase i wouldnt wait and line my cds up sometimes
proud plover
So even with this 502 spark thing I shouldn't craft the baseline neck?
you neeeed crests to empower it furtheeer
or an aspects crest goes from 516-525
mellow seal
16 heroic kills no axe i guess i double killed it 1 week or something
proud plover
16 heroic kills no axe i guess i double killed it 1 week or something
got proof?
eg
cause if tru thats data im sure people would care about
spare goblet
you neeeed crests to empower it furtheeer
Ok but I can do that after for recraft fee yes?
proud plover
Ok but I can do that after for recraft fee yes?
not free no but reduced mats - like 5 mettle and a feew items etc
nova marsh
Dungeons and raid
candid kindle
should i go every boss full st fore amidrassil or padding speck for gnarloth and igira?
proud plover
dungeons n raids > df > scroll to bottom
proud plover
i want to see 16 heroic kills and no leggo tho
spare goblet
not free no but reduced mats - like 5 mettle and a feew items etc
Ok. Thats good. thank yo
mellow seal
i want to see 16 heroic kills and no leggo tho
only 13 of them are logged unfortunately cant verify i dident double kill 1 week
wooden tide
should i buy chromatic essence over icon?
wicked aurora
So are ya'll just kinda pressing IP on CD in keys?
teal fossil
If you need to live
wicked aurora
If you need to live
but muh BSL uptime
untold trench
One day I will sim 300k, and I will laugh at ya
reef glade
man
i rly want to get the diurna ring and be a live lord
but like
how do you turn that cape down
tough steppe
One question
reef glade
shadow ibex
sorry rets
tough steppe
I'm mainly a M+ player. Should I be simming for dungeon slice or patchwerk 3-5 bosses
reef glade
eh i mean either is ok so long as you stick to the comparisons
reef glade
die perhaps??!?!?
yea im just gettin cape tbh
i crunched the numbers
only lose like 60k hp
out of 1.2mil
i'll be aight
dry frost
We had 2 Demonhunters
violet steeple
They're kitted man
reef glade
theres no way both of them didnt buy thorncaller first global
so L 2 glaives there
lol
preliminary preraid ilvl we love to see it
get 1 or 2 more maybe after i consume the requisite number of crests for the week
opaque citrus
hi @lone imp
nova marsh
is incorp bugged?
limpid current
are m+ bis trinkets OCE and signet brand?
lone imp
hail naw
wicked aurora
arms owns
violet steeple
Logs busted for anyone else?
WCL just showing noones killed any of them yet lol
Nvm had to set to US lol
Holy fuck I'm #1 Volocross by a shit ton LOL
opaque citrus
Holy fuck I'm #1 Volocross by a shit ton LOL
jesus
violet steeple
Me and @finite tree lookin good on volocross too
violet steeple
Idk what happened haha
opaque citrus
no pi either
sacred zodiac
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
can u also sim this for me ty
violet steeple
Nah PI is for quitters
errant jackal
I'm really not sure what's best to get with bullion... I have one trinket that def needs swapped (a 489 rezans gleaming eye from last season), but Cataclysmic Signet Brand seems to be maybe not the best chocie? I have a 512 ominous chromatic essence, but no puzzle box/ whispering icon/ nelth call, etc. Just unsure of what would be best to get. I also could get the filial duty ring... the reason CSB was attactive was that it would proc dirunias chosen since i dont have fyr'alath yet (fingers crossed for me pls)
violet steeple
Grind puzzle, helm enchant+leggo proc the ring
Helm enchant still does it for you
errant jackal
Yea but helm enchant is proccing it like barely at all
its doing maybe like 500-600k
opaque citrus
its not worth inting the rest of your gear
errant jackal
how do you mean
shadow ibex
i got hoof in vault but already got puzzle box and anvil 
proud plover
rlp hoof or nok hoof?
proud plover
i like that trinket, passive haste and a fuck tonne of str on use and explodes for dam
shadow ibex
ring slot is gonna be replaced by eranog
wild heart
I made BSL neck and my uptime in raid has been like 40%LMAO
shadow ibex
and boots drop so easily from bosses
already wearing mythic anvil
hoof 2 min CD is very unappealing
wild heart
was BSL an int?
shadow ibex
lowkey just ight take socket and bullion buy eranog this week
wild heart
literally what i did
had option of mythic legs
but 2 sockets is big
with crafts bracers and eranog ring
shadow ibex
only thing i can equip in that list is boots and i can just get boots from volcross
or some other early boss
or trinket just to start building the trinket collection
final dove
uuuughhh what to get with 2nd bullion
fringe moon
lowkey just ight take socket and bullion buy eranog this week
That anvil not high enough ilvl?
shadow ibex
im wearing mythic anvil
bold granite
fringe moon
im wearing mythic anvil
Ahhh. Jealous
tough steppe
I'm surprised that Storm Eater's is so high in this list
violet steeple
Storm Eaters will giga kill you
nova marsh
Ah
I love keys timed right in the nick of time that shouldn't be
had to hard carry a lock. This tier FUCKS though
Lots of deaths and mistakes....also yeah
that lock was....concerning
candid kindle
is that overall dmg?
nova marsh
Yes
errant jackal
thoughts on what to spend bullion on then? CSB seems best but i know its inconsistent
candid kindle
everyone is low lmao
nova marsh
Welcome to wiping multiple times
errant jackal
i do both m+ 8-10s and heroic raids, no fyralath yet
candid kindle
when i play bad af i do like 320k overall
proud plover
wtf is going on with the group finder
nova marsh
Also it was just a random six. Not expecting huge damage tbh
nova marsh
wtf is going on with the group finder
Put your profanity filter back on and reload
it for some reason fixes it
limpid current
wtf is going on with the group finder
subscribe to bnet prime for group finder
proud plover
subscribe to bnet prime for group finder
long term sub already bro
proud plover
Put your profanity filter back on and reload
ty
glossy olive
How do you get 2 Bullion again?
swift niche
Is Augury still good to use?
glossy olive
ty
errant jackal
what ilvl are u? Trinks and rings?
511 iLvl (close to 512),
Rings are:
489 titanic signet
512 Diurnia’s
Trinkets:
489 Rezan Gleaming Eye
515 OCE, attuned to crit
nova marsh
Question was directed to someone else
errant jackal
Apologies
nova marsh
But ummm....yeah obviously I'm gonna get outdpsed by a mile by someone with almost 10 ilvls worth of gear on me LOL
And who probally gets this rotation better
errant jackal
Is Augury still good to use?
My understanding is not really for arms
proud plover
augury is good with the amount of crit we run
nova marsh
Yes
Literally as long as it's a mythic
You could do cutting edge keys and still get credit
glossy olive
nova marsh
It's okay
glossy olive
Would you take that or 4 set S4
glossy olive
yea
nova marsh
irei is also p mid, well the 4pc is a pretty large gain
minor gust
Frag is decent for aoe but holy plz take 4 set
wild heart
thoughts on what to spend bullion on then? CSB seems best but i know its inconsi...
Keep in ind CSB is only good on fights 5+ minutes
same for anvil
nova marsh
Depends on what ur focused on really
wild heart
I think for best all around use would be WII, OCE and Pips. With a Puzzlebox
nova marsh
Farm raiding? Then Signet is probally a good choice. Focused on mythic +?....Go for ring or anything else
wild heart
even mythic raiding, bosses are lasting like 3-4 min
nova marsh
That is totally DPS dependant thou
wild heart
the only bosses that are longer are like penultimate and last bosses
minor gust
brand feels like massive waste to use a bullion on early
its really only like the last 2-3 bosses of a raid that is more than 5 min
in mythic
frigid lava
@heroic final
minor gust
I personally went oce 2nd due to my current trinkets and ill get eggnog ring next week since we got 3 bullions this week
nova marsh
I got OCE in the vault and I only really care about keys this season
Raid is literally just to get loot for keys to me
frigid lava
give me leggo
tiny dock
is the awakened mark of mastery bugged?
nova marsh
bugged how?
tiny dock
large indie company
limber bear
so since it's tyrannical week, signet brand is probably like...pretty good right?
for m+*
nova marsh
Can you chain pull?
minor gust
no
nova marsh
If not, then no
turbid pebble
what am i suppsoed to use on mythic tindral
violet steeple
Call to chaos 5% dmg taken could fuck you later
Taking 5% more dmg is no beuno in high keys
limber bear
also for sign of the warrior (or whatever the dungeon thingy is) does the final boss drop an extra piece from ANY boss or only the final boss loot pool?
nova marsh
taking 5% more damage in even mid level keys is pretty bad
violet steeple
Ye you don't want that shit in an 18/19
limber bear
Taking 5% more dmg is no beuno in high keys
by that same logic, sark cloak is also "bad"
limber bear
who tf is doing an 18/19 in this economy?? why do people chase m+ that hard
nova marsh
Because it's fun
nova marsh
Some of us want to actually use gear for something 🤷♂️
minor gust
sick uptime
wicked aurora
fiending
minor gust
ima be 525 when I craft my 2nd item and spend my crests
dry frost
arms is cookin
minor gust
juicin
obsidian wave
is that chaos trink?
nova marsh
no
proud plover
773 mastery cause its at 502 ilvl until i farm crests
proud plover
same i only just capped leggo
proud plover
nah vers vracer/bsl neck atm
violet steeple
Oh boi its tindral time
violet steeple
We did heroic earlier, got world 1st xD
minor gust
I feel like everything just gonna fall over like Aberrus
frigid lava
anyone dungeon finder prompting lua error?
i don't have many addons... it
it's crashing hard :0
proud plover
anyone dungeon finder prompting lua error?
enable maturre lang filter > reload ui
fixed it
frigid lava
da..wut?
proud plover
many thx some soneone wayyyyy up ^^^
frigid lava
oh
proud plover
i dont like pb in keys btw feels clunky
frigid lava
aiigh it works
gloomy mirage
@opaque citrus
proud plover
is this hps parsing
fickle nexus
do we use cleave on cd for the 4+ targets or only at 2 stacks of op?
mild rapids
Is Storm-Eater's Boon hard to use? its my highest sim item but the staying in place part gives me second thoughts.
gloomy mirage
Don’t open our log
dude we just spent like an hour on it HAHA
opaque citrus
Is Storm-Eater's Boon hard to use? its my highest sim item but the staying in pl...
Requires some forethought
opaque citrus
dude we just spent like an hour on it HAHA
Same
gloomy mirage
it wasn't pretty
opaque citrus
One shot everything up until Larodar
Heroic took under an hour
Larodar cranked us like Soulja boy
gloomy mirage
yeah....
minor gust
lemme guess poor transition timing screwing you on Larry
opaque citrus
lemme guess poor transition timing screwing you on Larry
🙂
minor gust
yeah thats fun times
minor gust
I remember on farm we would go every week hey guys lets hero on pull just for us to get a fucked transition xd
opaque citrus
We did that fine on farm in my guild
But I’m raiding in a 1day alt team on warrior
For this season
They haven’t seen Larry mythic in months afaik since they almost killed fyrakk
So months of extendo
minor gust
F
minor gust
thats whats most important anyways
minor gust
you skip anything in P2?
violet steeple
Same as we were
All our kill times tn are literally identical
Kill times, cooldown timings etc
Been weird for me cuz I was fury, and a few others that spec swapped, but overall easy
minor gust
Arms isnt much different on Tswift
just gotta get used to not breaking out every root unless u yoink feathers
violet steeple
Ye that was the only weirdness
minor parcel
anyone crafting dbl BSL?
nova marsh
..Dude is that DK even awake?
proud plover
no they just land and die
opaque citrus
But yeah the lock probably just sucks that’s why he’s doing a 2
proud plover
run a fast 2 for flightstones and some wyrms crests i thought, get that weekly done fast..
hushed crow
hey, What is the best trinket for warrior arms at the moment?
forest lake
hey, What is the best trinket for warrior arms at the moment?
signet
nova marsh
Don't get signet
minor gust
signet not boss
nova marsh
It's only good for 5 min fights
hushed crow
i do most m+ haha ,, imsorry
minor gust
sucks pretty much in raid too
hushed crow
for m+, what is the best
forest lake
call to chaos
opaque citrus
sucks pretty much in raid too
Good for some mythic bosses that’s about it
minor gust
not even most mythic bosses
proud plover
it can be amazing in m+ this week if you can keep stacks (fast pulls dont drop combat or get fucked by rp etc) and it melts bosses
proud plover
grats
mild hound
Had the worst luck w tier and finally got my 4pce and OCE. Feels good boys.
#whatcanbrowndo4u
forest lake
rn im using Branch and Ember of Nullification from last tier for M+... I just bought anvil for raid, but idk what to buy for M+. Thinking either augury or call to chaos. Bloodmallet shows call to chaos as being BiS (besides OCE and Icon)
opaque citrus
not even most mythic bosses
“Some”
nova marsh
Call to chaos can also fuck you
opaque citrus
The long ones
forest lake
i feel like call to chaos + puzzle box would be BiS for M+. anyone?
yea cause increases dmg taken
wont fuck me as hard as storm-eaters boon though lol
opaque citrus
yea cause increases dmg taken
5% increase isn’t relevant outside of bleeding edge content
proud plover
im hating pb, just feels bad to not let it cast inside free bstorm
forest lake
5% increase isn’t relevant outside of bleeding edge content
my thoughts lol
proud plover
went back to hoof from rlp
nova marsh
storm eaters is either you can actually use it like a god or it will get you killed evrey single time
forest lake
my current m+ trinkets. i need upgrades >_>
nova marsh
I'd go eggnog probs
opaque citrus
eggnog or diurna ring
Eranog no question what
forest lake
those rings are awesome if you have the lego
magic canopy
debating about M+ basically
other thing to consider is i can just buy the erenog ring next week
hushed crow
My leggo is already upgraded, what i have to buy now? to increase my damage?
the fire damage ring?
magic canopy
and or its vualt again if everyone buys erenog ring then itll be up to loot
opaque citrus
and or its vualt again if everyone buys erenog ring then itll be up to loot
5head plays
minor gust
other thing to consider is i can just buy the erenog ring next week
I did the same just sent OCE to complete trinkets and getting eggnog ring next week If I dont in raid