arms

[daring heron]

https://imgur.com/a/XqH1A55

there

[halcyon breach]

Ngl

Hide small hits is pretty clutch

And filtering random filler stuff

[daring heron]

ya for sure

im just dumb and like to see all numbers

[halcyon breach]

Fair

It helped a lot for me on Tindral

[exotic kestrel]

more numbers = more better

[halcyon breach]

And ginormous pulls

[daring heron]

truncating also is good for visibility

[halcyon breach]

Mhm

Although rn as MM I see 50 million numbers appear

because everything is just a ton of small hits

[daring heron]

it was problematic as fire and destro ngl

those specs had a lot of small numbers

[boreal quartz]

Ignite is dangerous for performance

[soft fox]

Spriest too

[boreal quartz]

If you pull 900 things

[daring heron]

adibags somehow was causing major lag as firemage

had to disable it

[soft fox]

Well it wont get updated anymore

[daring heron]

ya now it's betterbags

[soft fox]

Which sucs

Its the alibaba version

[daring heron]

works fine with some setup, but yeah i preferred adibags too

[soft fox]

How did you fix it?

Cuz i still hated it

[daring heron]

idk i just changed a bunch of stuff until it looked ok

[soft fox]

Fair

Ill have another look at it

[deft seal]

We get 1 or 2 bullion this week?

[halcyon breach]

Assume 1

[brisk fjord]

i heard 1 from a quest and one from raid

[halcyon breach]

We can't tell if the PTR quest will stay the same or not

[brisk fjord]

so wondering what NA will show

[solar quarry]

Critcake is the only guy keeping Imgur online

[molten timber]

Anyone got the secret sauce on that big pull at the start of AA? I feel like it has a near 0% success rate in my groups

[brisk fjord]

dont stand in green? tank needs to kite.

[daring heron]

idk i needed several screenshots so imgur album came to mind

[molten timber]

is this permission to blame the tank

because I do not need to be told twice

[visual fern]

Just collage them all into one pic on MSPaint

[daring heron]

true could do that

but the link still works so it'd be extra work for nothing

[brisk fjord]

some adds just jumps to random targets though, getting 2 of them at the same time in higher keys is gg i think

[molten timber]

nah I'm talking tank evaporates and five people die in three seconds

was wondering if I was missing a stop or something

[daring heron]

what happens on that first aa pull in your pugs?

is it the dps/heal that dies? or tank?

[molten timber]

like one random dps and then the tank falls over 15 seconds in

[daring heron]

tank should never die to that pull unless they get hit by swirly

[visual fern]

Gap in stops or eating green

Yah

[molten timber]

Just a case of the new DH players thinking they're immortal then?

[visual fern]

Or misappropriating CDs maybe? I don't tank ever so idk how rough it actually is on tank

[daring heron]

common cause of death for dps is bolstered skitterfly stings

[solar quarry]

You’re sending imgur a lot of traffic and it needs it honestly, so don’t stop

[halcyon breach]

Proper CC chaining in that pull helps a lot keeping DPS safe

Vortex, sigil of chains, CC assuming there are timers for their jumps (if they work the same way as serkers in EB)

[molten timber]

Thanks, so if it's dps dying chain cc on the bugs better, if it's the tank dying go next?

[halcyon breach]

If the tank dies they stood in booboo typically

[visual fern]

Bit of column A, column B for both

[halcyon breach]

Or just forgot to use buttons

[visual fern]

If you're doing everything in your capacity to help them live and they still fall over

[daring heron]

i did that pull as pwar last week and it kinda felt like a joke tbh

wouldnt be surprised i could solo it on +10 as pwar

higher even

[ebon garden]

guys i am a bit loss about the mist of pandaria event, we have nothing to do with our max level main ? we "HEVE" to reate a new char just for the event to gather unic item/transmog/etc ?

[rigid prawn]

Raid

[brisk fjord]

it must be horde vs alliance raids, no cross faction or think we can chose to do horde or alliance version going in?

[ornate heart]

Do we use execute at all during aoe?

[opaque citrus]

How do you fall over in that pull

[ornate heart]

Paired with ss

[opaque citrus]

What

[molten timber]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gTbAWJpj2PRNMdm9#fight=last&type=deaths&death=1

I looked at it and I think he just did not have mitigation

unfortunate

[halcyon breach]

It's a very low priority filler, only really used if there's a priority target in execute range

[olive nest]

Thanks for sharing!

[opaque citrus]

Oh I thought you said AV

[molten timber]

no lol

[opaque citrus]

I’m on mobile so this is lmao but can you specifically link the first pull

I can’t navigate to it on my phone

[ornate heart]

Thanks

[molten timber]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gTbAWJpj2PRNMdm9#fight=last&type=summary&view=timeline&start=123835&end=175456
I'm not going to pretend I played it optimally but looking at it I kinda think the tank just dropped mitigation tanking 30 mobs and we all died

not so interesting

[opaque citrus]

Ty

Let me look anyway because I’m sure it’s funny

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

Yeah he was basically afk

[molten timber]

perhaps dropping mitigaiton implied he pressed it initially

my mistake

[opaque citrus]

Bro literally had 30cpm

And about

28% DS uptime

LMAO

[wraith cave]

damn got 4P and just switched to current meta spec

its so annoying
not a single cool down lines up

[daring heron]

in what way is that related to the new set

oh current meta spec, are you talking about the single bladestorm build

[sacred zodiac]

it does line up if you let it line up 4head

[daring heron]

if in doubt just send cds on cd

quantity > quality

[dawn stag]

@sacred zodiac state of arms after fury buffs?

[sacred zodiac]

down the drain

[dawn stag]

:(

[sacred zodiac]

reroll survival

[ebon hollow]

does anyone know how the weakaura is called that shows the add ability cds next to nameplate?

[brisk fjord]

https://wago.io/LyVvlKxvs

[ebon hollow]

ty!

[brisk fjord]

its a life saver for bolstered Thunder Claps in Uldaman

[steep osprey]

im doing shit on arms

why

[brisk fjord]

wrong build, pressing wrong buttons?

[steep osprey]

dunno

[brisk fjord]

ditto

[teal finch]

Sorry if this isn't the place to ask, but when I use Raidbot's Droptimizer Sim, how do I know which trinket/ring is being compared against? Like it'll show Blazbinder's Hoof to be a +2k dps but how do i tell which trinket should I switch it for?

[halcyon breach]

It'll say underneath if it's comparing against Trinket 1 or Trinket 2

For example

[teal finch]

Oh! Does it automatically compare against both and give you the best option?

[halcyon breach]

Yes

[teal finch]

awesome, thank you so much!

[halcyon breach]

You can click "Show all variations" and you can see what the result is comparing to the 2 other slots

[teal finch]

I see, that explains alot haha

[inner wasp]

#updates-midnight message

so wait

[steep osprey]

is 3 ilvl difference that huge?

a friend has 475k while im simming 342k with 3 ilvl difference

[halcyon breach]

In what context

[steep osprey]

Single targett

[halcyon breach]

He is not simming 475k single target lol

[steep osprey]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mmGNW4XuUiMBHwoR4s1pq4

nvm he griefed

LMAO

ignore

[halcyon breach]

@gray herald

[steep osprey]

very sus

[gray herald]

me when i change spec and talents to arms but dont remove offhand

xdd

[astral yarrow]

[steep osprey]

how is that possible

LMAO

[gray herald]

cant believe my private messages are being LEAKED in the arms channel of all places

[molten eagle]

new ish back to Warrior do i stack 2 x OP AND 2x excutes for a big MS plz

[inner wasp]

roar highest prio after rend?

[halcyon breach]

No. In Execute phase you MS after 2x Executioner's Precision

[inner wasp]

no conditionals?

[halcyon breach]

You don't care about Martial Prowess during ST/Execute

[olive nest]

Arms freakin owns

[sly venture]

In multitarget, do I never use Cleave with only 1 stack of MP then?

[molten eagle]

i liek simple ty

[halcyon breach]

The order that you'd do Execute in as well, would be
Execute - Execute - Execute - MS
or
Execute - Execute - OP - MS

[steep osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[halcyon breach]

Difference being how much rage you have, where you want to Execute at 40+ rage

And otherwise Overpower

[halcyon breach]

You can do this if you don't have WW/TC/OP ready

It's a very minor loss

[steep osprey]

im doing my rotation ok yet im doing shit dps explain

[halcyon breach]

You're not doing it right then

[gray herald]

you aren’t doing your rotation ok

[halcyon breach]

Or just your gear is horrible

[steep osprey]

[brisk fjord]

are you talking ST or AOE?

[rare kite]

this is what everyone says when they do their rotation wrong

[brisk fjord]

if AOE just send TR when up and big pulls, it does like 1/3rd of all my dmg :p

[astral yarrow]

Koda moment

[rare kite]

Not interacted too much with Koda

[steep osprey]

no im the only one who does it right

[daring heron]

"playing perfect but being outdpsd at 510 ilvl"

250k overalls

yayaya im sure youre perfect

[steep osprey]

Can someone review this log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mj8WC3RVKbf6t9Nr#fight=27&type=damage-done&source=39

[astral yarrow]

He plays perfectly

[somber lance]

Im out dpsing people 5-10 ilvl higher. The spec is busted

(Everyone sucks in my key bracket)

[daring heron]

my league friends also played perfect but were stuck in silver

[halcyon breach]

Just glossing through it quickly, Dstance weaving on pull is not the play, holding legendary until 1 min in isn't really smart either, most of it seems fine though

This however

big nono

[gray herald]

it's my teammates bro

elo hell

[rare kite]

TRUEE, "it's my team holding me back, i'm actually challenger level but stuck in elo hell"

[steep osprey]

fat fingered DS

[somber lance]

Cause you lose 1 gcd inside CS?

[daring heron]

it's those junglers bro

[halcyon breach]

No because the CS literally didn't get Swept

[somber lance]

oh i didnt know it got swept

[halcyon breach]

It does, which is a big damage loss on 2 targets if it's not swept

[somber lance]

anything that doesn’t benefit from sweep?

[astral yarrow]

Cleave and ww

[halcyon breach]

Any ability that's AoE

Such as TC, Cleave and WW

[somber lance]

Gotcha

[halcyon breach]

Dreadnaught does get swept though

[astral yarrow]

Warbreaker

[halcyon breach]

So OP spam during SS is very strong during AoE, and you can hit your main target twice depending on you, and the targets, positioning

[somber lance]

2 waves of DN is busted yeah

[naive sage]

I will never be #1 rio arms in Pizzaland again there's a guy at 3220 already, rank 7 itw and I don't have a good push group, guildies are skilled social players but nothing more

Sorry for doomium

[frigid lava]

My doomium is that the maintenance is going to be 8 hours

[molten eagle]

so last Q plz people .. as im new back is it still worth playing Warr with OUT the leggo wep ty

[frigid lava]

There are plenty without leggo

like me..

[halcyon breach]

You can play it, it's just a big damage loss not to ahve it

[steep osprey]

When do you usually use the legendary?

[naive sage]

You can, but leggo is an enormous dps boost (no shit) and people might discriminate u

[halcyon breach]

Before or after first CDs are gone, depends on the fight and difficulty

Like on HC I always do it before CDs

[sacred zodiac]

why is the number green banezi?

[halcyon breach]

I will not answer the question

[frigid lava]

I'm playing +10s no problem without leggo

[astral yarrow]

If it’s green on top it goes on the bod

[halcyon breach]

It must simply be your screen showing the wrong colour

[steep osprey]

I see, thanks

So my Opener is fine?

Aside from the DS blunder

[somber lance]

@halcyon breach did you leggo on pull in your magmorax log?

[halcyon breach]

The opener is fine yeah, small optimisation you can do is to
Charge -> MS -> Roar -> Ava + CS -> TC -> WW -> MS -> etc

[somber lance]

i couldnt find the cast

I was just looking at ST rotation pointers

[frigid lava]

So.. what's the highest ilvl of leggo without bullion?

[steep osprey]

So use rage mostly after CS?

[astral yarrow]

496

[halcyon breach]

Nah I used it way too late, but it didn't really matter because I would've only gotten 1 use anyway that fight because it was 1:58

[halcyon breach]

Yes

[steep osprey]

instead of CS > TR

ok

[halcyon breach]

You want as many globals to spend rage inside CS as possible

[frigid lava]

😦 guess i won't be using it even if it drops today.

[astral yarrow]

You won’t even have it today if it drops today

[frigid lava]

quests?

[astral yarrow]

Trash ass open world quests

[gray herald]

you can do it in less than a day

but yeah it's pretty trash

[somber lance]

Bro i can’t imagine doing superbloom

In this day and age

I pray for you

[gray herald]

u just get 1 friend to run them with you

and ur done in like 4 or 5 superblooms

there's already 50 billion people running them 24/7 you probably dont even need a friend, just find a random guy

[latent hull]

I have 2 of those leafs

If u need

[brisk fjord]

is it worth using lego during Execute phase in ST?

[halcyon breach]

Outside of all CDs yes

[cold garnet]

inside CS if you have in for the kill and enjoy the faster animation

[pulsar summit]

Emerald dream should be the weekly quest starting today/tomorrow, should be tons of people doing it.

[steep osprey]

is getting a 30% ToM good?

[halcyon breach]

Don't think about how high your ToM gets

[steep osprey]

out of lust

i am thinking it

[halcyon breach]

Then stop

[steep osprey]

okay

[halcyon breach]

Getting a high ToM% =/= playing right

[steep osprey]

What is playing right

[halcyon breach]

Playing your priority properly

[cold garnet]

spending overpower charges

don’t track ToM

[steep osprey]

I guess I should read the wowhead guide more

[halcyon breach]

Which means if you get a ton of MS resets, then you wont necessarily get a ton of Rage spent, because you alternate MS -> OP, and SD procs as well

[storm lark]

Tom affects my mood during a pull. If low ToM then sad. I should remove it

[cold garnet]

i personally track ToM cause i like to know when the buff overlaps with CS during execute, like oh yeh this next gcd finna smack

[halcyon breach]

I track it because Atrocity tracks it

And I'm too lazy to remove it

But it does not influence gameplay in any way

It did for a short while in S3 during Execute

[daring heron]

i track it because it's fun to see big tom in exe

but it's useless info

[steep osprey]

is it bad to overcap on a OP charge

[storm lark]

Big tom and overlap with cs in exec feels so good to see

[halcyon breach]

If it means you're pressing higher priority buttons, no

Overcapping OP charges doesn't mean the same anymore, as it did back in Shadowlands

[frigid lava]

U just kinda feel how much ToM u have.

[halcyon breach]

If that's the mentality you're still playing around

[cold garnet]

39% str + CS + puzzle box + avatar it’s time to shine baby

[halcyon breach]

Just like rage capping doesn't either

[daring heron]

it's all cosmetic

[frigid lava]

they don't overlap much tho... just briefly

I pretty much only overlap in execute phase

[storm lark]

I overlap also on pull if its BL + PI

[frigid lava]

i guess possible with lust too

[olive nest]

So close

[cold garnet]

idk i only see the overlap at execute

[olive nest]

[cold garnet]

it auto adds a space after a emote on phone that’s cringe

[frigid lava]

:sighted:

[steep osprey]

How do you use TC

do you wanna use it on CD in CS window

assuming you've used MS

and WW

and they're on cd

[cold garnet]

just read the guide

[storm lark]

I guess i should pay mroe attention to priority then to cs/tom stuff

[frigid lava]

TC is weak.. I pretty much only use it to refresh rend.

[astral yarrow]

beat larodar rank 1 by 10k dps with my ragebar gone one of the last weeks of S3

[steep osprey]

I am reading it

[cold garnet]

bring back charge weaving

[steep osprey]

Do not

[steep osprey]

Hey, how do you use TC

[hybrid sinew]

i just swapped to arms the other week, but i dont even have a rage bar. There's no reason to track it right? I have my UI set for Execute to be colored Green when i have 40+ rage but thats the only part ofthe rotation that cares about rage right

[steep osprey]

better to have it

[astral yarrow]

when you have nothing to press, rend needs refresh or you arent specced into crushing force

[frigid lava]

I track to see if it's ok to IP

[hybrid sinew]

but it dosn't effect any of my decision making

[steep osprey]

I have crushing force but no Imp Slam

[opaque citrus]

Press it

[inner wasp]

on higher target count aoe do i need to spam clap

to apply many rend

[frigid lava]

I do it more often when there are shit ton

because it only applies 5...

[opaque citrus]

And it’s apparently a random 5

[cold garnet]

kinda depends if the things will actually be living

[storm lark]

How important is it to roar in tom windows in exec as the guide says. Like do you not just send it with avatar?

[solar quarry]

You’re getting Pi?

[astral yarrow]

as long as its within either CS or ToM windows you're good

[solar quarry]

Just roar either in ToM or CS

[storm lark]

ofc bro

[olive nest]

Definitely not me over here casting it after charge on pull

[astral yarrow]

on pull is a little more "special" i guess

cause thats the right opener

[frigid lava]

avatar cs clap troar cleave bs

[solar quarry]

Wait why?

[olive nest]

Ye I just copy paws write up over in tmy disc

Or sometimes copy apl too

Mostly the same anyway

[solar quarry]

Avatar isn’t even on the gcd you can get avatar out before roar at the very least

[astral yarrow]

but any constellation ofbuttons you do as arms, as long as MS or CS are one of the first 2-3 buttons is marginal at best

[cold garnet]

the initial hit of roar isn’t important the dot is

[astral yarrow]

roar on hit damage is poo

[solar quarry]

I usually charge avatar TC Roar

[frigid lava]

yea initial roar dmg isn't that big. It's ok

[olive nest]

So actually

[frigid lava]

U just want the dots boosted

[olive nest]

Roar inside of avatar is a wasted gcd

Thats why you do before

[solar quarry]

[olive nest]

You want as many MS casts inside Ava window as possible

[solar quarry]

Everyday is a school day

[storm lark]

I do charge>legendary>roar>avatar>cs>ms>tc

[olive nest]

That’s your biggest hitter

[olive nest]

This applies to the opener only

[cold garnet]

i do tc after charge but i feel like that’s was a s3 thing

[olive nest]

If you want to do it this way, do charge>rend>lego

Ope all those dudes reading the chat that unbound rend

[solar quarry]

REND?!

[storm lark]

My sim does it this way and doesnt use rend?

[astral yarrow]

again, arms openers are largely irrelevant in what sequence you press stuff as long as you apply DW and Rend early on

[olive nest]

You don’t have to do it but I would

[hazy flower]

You need to do it correctly or youll lose 100k dps

[frigid lava]

what's DW

[solar quarry]

Deez Wuts

Haha gottem

[olive nest]

DeezNaughts

[frigid lava]

Dreadnuts

[naive sage]

Occasionally I cast rend when I want to save a lil bit rage when the auto attack swing is not coming right after but it's absolutely not necessary

[solar quarry]

I’m lucky to parse purple that’s the least of my worries lmao

I’m busy doing shit like heroic leaping the Fyrakk frontals cos our range players are braindead and our healers have no eyes or hands

Ain’t got time to worry about that shee

😂

[frigid lava]

I still don't know anything about fyrakk fight. I just dodge things.

[solar quarry]

I have to dodge things for other people

RWL guild

[rare kite]

that's okay, you're melee. no responsibility

[frigid lava]

zugzug

[somber lance]

You’re supposed to juggle seed in between all melees

Then you drop nadoes in middle for extra spice

[opaque citrus]

Juggle my balls in your mouth maybe

[somber lance]

Gay af fam

[opaque citrus]

Ok and

[somber lance]

did i use any derogatory term?

[frigid lava]

derpatory

[opaque citrus]

I didn’t say you did

[tiny dock]

how hard is it to get the leggo to drop nowadays

[frigid lava]

Mine will drop today

[somber lance]

15x heroic kills hard

[frigid lava]

I THINK

[tiny dock]

jesus, 15 heroic kills still?

[somber lance]

it took me 15 so if you get it in less i hate you

[frigid lava]

I don't think im at 15... but definitely more than 10

[somber lance]

14/15 is the worst case possible

Pretty sure you’re close to 50% chance way before

There is a datamined chart on wowhead

[tiny dock]

i was hoping they would've nerfed it by now

i guess i'm not getting it before TWW

[lost pebble]

[cold garnet]

imagine not getting it in 3

[tiny dock]

guess I'm just gonna grab ashcandy and say fuck the leggo

only 3 months until TWW

[severe saffron]

this is my plan

[exotic kestrel]

cant be bothered getting it on alts

gotta do grind again

[severe saffron]

now if only I didnt get augury first

[tiny dock]

it's also dumb expensive to craft the leggo right

like 200k-300k?

or have prices dropped

[lost pebble]

Only if you a broke b

[gaunt ginkgo]

We were supposed to get it together. So you better get it this week so we're at least only 1wk apart 😄

[daring heron]

it was 170k on eu when i crafted it at least

[tiny dock]

i am a broke b

[tiny dock]

when did you end up crafting it?

did you get lucky and craft it early?

[daring heron]

no

2 months ago

[exotic kestrel]

oof

[violet steeple]

It's probably like 100k now lol

[opaque citrus]

I spent around 300k in early Jan

[cold garnet]

i think it would’ve gone up with a new season if anything, people need to re-enchanting items, recraft embellishments

[proud plover]

i farmed most of the mats myself, spent like 50k

[daring heron]

I spent 1.6m on 2x myth track speed BoEs this week

[opaque citrus]

Based

[severe saffron]

still too much

[bold jolt]

Is there a wa that can alert warirors when a spell is being casted on them specifically

For some no brain spell reflects

[proud plover]

yes

[daring heron]

theres the spell reflect essentials weakaura, probably updated for this season

[bold jolt]

Mind messaging me it

[proud plover]

sec ill link it

[daring heron]

just google spell reflect essentials, im on mobile

[proud plover]

https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg

[bold jolt]

So this is when its being casted on me, and not just being casted in general?

[daring heron]

yes

[bold jolt]

Thanks a lot

[severe saffron]

doest it rly matter

someone gon kick it anyway

[bold jolt]

Not in my groups xD

[proud plover]

you going to love halls keys

[severe saffron]

[proud plover]

2 reflects

[bold jolt]

Nokhud with 2 casters and rdudu

Nok stop casts at lightning area

💀

[daring heron]

nok is definitely the biggest reflect dungeon

[bold jolt]

Ye nokhud is the reason I asked for it lol

[proud plover]

nok/ruby - i like reflect tech in ulda

[bold jolt]

Only gonna run 2 melee on nokhud fort from now on

[violet steeple]

Same bruh I'm at 17% avoidance xD

[daring heron]

15 here but both of my avoid pieces are hero track so it's temporary

[violet steeple]

Sadness is real

My avoid legs are champ trackso I feel ya....gone today for sure

[coral cargo]

Hey guys, if i dont get the legggo this week, should i spent my bullions on another thing?, already have a mythic weapon (no ass candy tho...)

[daring heron]

if you have a myth track weapon already, i would not recommend ashkandur

keep trying to get the leggo, and probably still get the fire proc ring since your helm enchant will proc it

shadowflame patch/trinkets also procs it

[halcyon breach]

Tbf I don't think the helm alone is enough for the ring to be consistent

Haven't simmed to be sure, but fairly certain the proc rate is too low

[daring heron]

yee id recommend it if using sf patch tho

[fathom shoal]

Am I trolling if I get the fire ring but opt out of shadow flame?

[daring heron]

depends if you have other fire damage

[fathom shoal]

And use blue silken? I haven't summed it yet

[daring heron]

if you have leggo then fire ring is always solid

[olive nest]

Double BSL is definitely the play

[fathom shoal]

I do . Cool thx

[olive nest]

It’s way ahead in AoE

And slightly ahead in ST

[fathom shoal]

I'll sim later tho

[halcyon breach]

Oh yeah lmao

The ring goes from 6%~ uptime without lego, to 27% uptime with the lego

Can check with Shadow + Head

[proud plover]

im going vers bracr > bsl on neck > absorb ring to keep bsl uptime higher

[daring heron]

i'm all inning on 2x bsl i think

[halcyon breach]

15% uptime with head + shadowflame

[proud plover]

vers makes leggo go up

[daring heron]

this sounds good enough to recommend then

[lean geode]

Anyone know if we can still do skip from Igira to Smoldy in awakened?

[halcyon breach]

Can try and do a quick gear compare with all the appropriate ilvl etc

[daring heron]

ring is gonna be a lot of free damage even with that uptime diff

[halcyon breach]

Oh yeah, it's free damage regardless

[olive nest]

Tmmy was showing us sims 2xbsl is about 4k ahead of 1xbsl/vers wrists on ST & 16k ahead in AoE

Double BSL is the way

[daring heron]

feel like it's very hard to justify recommending things like brand and anvil when they're only situationally good

fire ring always good

oce good when others start using it too

[opaque citrus]

Brand being in so many bis lists is crazy to me

It’s so situational

[somber lance]

For raid its always good no?

[opaque citrus]

Like sure it sims good on 5min

[olive nest]

It’s only good on the end bosses

[remote talon]

no

[opaque citrus]

Not in giga short fights

[olive nest]

And no heroic version

[opaque citrus]

Which most are in fated

[proud plover]

bis lists made of 5m sims and brand is hard bis at 4m+

[remote talon]

5 minutes good, 3 minutes bad

[somber lance]

Anyways we dont get 2 bullions for another two weeks right?

We just crafting shit tomorrow

[severe saffron]

which would be the better all around trinkets then

smth like puzzle box?

[opaque citrus]

OCE/icon, puzzle box, brand if you’re in a premade and can play around it

[remote talon]

whispering incarnate icon seems pretty good

[olive nest]

Puzzle box sucks to use but it sims very well

[proud plover]

pb always good and amazing in short fights

[severe saffron]

non premade

[proud plover]

i just looted onee at 506 - gives me 25% mastery for 30 secs

[olive nest]

If you get to use it on a fight with like a 3:30-3:40 kill time

[remote talon]

icon's decent even if you don't have a tank/healer with it, OCE really needs other people with it

[olive nest]

You are Bing chillin

With puzzle box

[severe saffron]

bring vial back

[opaque citrus]

2:45 fight time

[fringe moon]

Ehh.::I’d prefer anvil over brand. Because brand is only good on 5+ min fights. How many of those are there outside of a few?

[olive nest]

You want fight to end right after or at the end of second use no?

[remote talon]

anvil is also better on longer fights

[daring heron]

isnt anvil literally the same as brand except brand can highroll and stack to max faster

[proud plover]

anvil also gets better over time and brand can stack to full in 1.5m from rng

[daring heron]

damage wise, that is

[olive nest]

I’ve seen full stacks of brand at 54 seconds

Pure rng luck

Very unreliable

[proud plover]

anvils power is maintaining stacks by using it out of combat so you can keep them for like 29 secs

[exotic kestrel]

the stress of trying to keep up anvil in keys is not something i need in my life again

[opaque citrus]

Brand is gamba as fuck

[gentle vessel]

The sound the anvil makes when pressing it is satisfying too, another plus

bong

[fringe moon]

Only problem with anvil is having to wait in line behind all the ret pallies.

[shy tide]

highrolling augury is more fun than fcking with brand

[proud plover]

buy it from vendor

[coral cargo]

Alright! ty

[fringe moon]

I think this week we buy eranog ring.

[torpid jackal]

man edited and still said but it

[exotic kestrel]

btw what is all this double bullion talk for upcoming reset

[proud plover]

its late here

[torpid jackal]

fair

[fringe moon]

Possibly from weekly quest

[gentle vessel]

How do you guys pronounce bullion? Bully-in? Bool-yan?

[exotic kestrel]

so nothing confirmed yet?

[opaque citrus]

Bully-on

[remote talon]

supposedly maybe we get 2 from dungeon weekly

[tiny dock]

don't have to answer if you don't want to, but do you make most of your gold doing carries?

[exotic kestrel]

bull-ion

[tiny dock]

i say it like a french man saying chicken bullion

cause it's more fun that way

[remote talon]

apparently british and american pronunciations of bullion are different

[gray herald]

bully-on

[gray herald]

bouillon is a different word 🤓

[daring heron]

yes, raid and m+

[daring heron]

marco pierre white is a big fan of these

[tiny dock]

Me rn lmao

[opaque citrus]

Raid sales are free money, I miss them

[daring heron]

we got 550k gold each for boosting nonfated mythic fyrakk on sunday for mounts

[gray herald]

is it one mount per kill

[daring heron]

2 mounts

[lone imp]

2

[daring heron]

so 2 buyers

[gray herald]

i want one

[plush belfry]

any tech with blazebinders and ToM/

[lone imp]

We had 1 buyer and each got like 265k

[plush belfry]

?

[opaque citrus]

Mounts are like 6mil or so NA

[plush belfry]

presume we want the strength buff up as ToM starts

[tiny dock]

holy

i just wanna be yoked enough to do some m+ carries

[shy tide]

didnt even sell mythic dragon from aberus

missing out on gold

[daring heron]

i think we boosted nearly 10x 29s or 30s end of last season

around 500k for each player each boost

[tiny dock]

when you run a boost key the person getting boosted is literally useless right

they just afk at the start?

[daring heron]

nah not for the high key ones

those guys are close to title or just need 1-2 keys to be safe for title

[tiny dock]

i just wanna boost people through low ass keys lmao

I'll take 25k for carrying someone through a 2

[halcyon breach]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/complete-4-mythic-dungeons-for-2-antique-bronze-bullions-this-week-a-piece-of-339255?webhook

[daring heron]

you can do that for +10s and such for decent gold

[halcyon breach]

Interesting

[daring heron]

oh so it went through on live?

[halcyon breach]

I assume so, the article is 20 min old

[tough tangle]

I need the higher ups to tell me what to purchase with my bronze boys

[halcyon breach]

It's in the pins

[tiny dock]

fuck yes man

[daring heron]

i didnt think it would

[tiny dock]

eranog ring

[halcyon breach]

But Lego > Eranog > OCE/Icon

[tiny dock]

OCE/ICON

[halcyon breach]

Pretty good general prio

[tough tangle]

WRONG

[daring heron]

but then again i didnt think leggo upgrade wouldnt get fixed on live either

[tiny dock]

D:

[tough tangle]

WE’RE RINGING IT UP VOLVO

CHECK THE PINS

[tiny dock]

i just skipped the leggo upgrade step

[copper swan]

do we still get the 1 from raid ?

[tough tangle]

Ain’t no way

[tiny dock]

😭

[tough tangle]

I’m never purchasing a volvo vehicle because of you

[tiny dock]

i skipped the lego upgrade step because I don't have the lego kekw

[copper swan]

[shy tide]

gimme asscandy vault + eranog ring from epic token and my fury stonks for M+ go up

[tiny dock]

good, the new ones aren't the greatest

[shy tide]

[tiny dock]

you mind if I dm you a quick question?

[shy tide]

yes

he will hunt you down

[tough tangle]

sus

[tiny dock]

k fine I'll go ask it in his steam chat

[shy tide]

you better do

😠

[naive crescent]

Is eranog ring still first bullion purchase if you only care about m+?

[tiny dock]

id say to sim it

i simmed eranog ring and it was low for me

[shy tide]

might just take sockets for BSL wrist and eranog ring @daring heron giga vallue

double BSL gaming

[cold garnet]

screaming twice as hard when you’re at 89% hp

[lone imp]

My first craft was vers wrists

yikes 😦

[shy tide]

unfortunate

[copper swan]

don't be sad about it

[shy tide]

curse your destiny

[lone imp]

[cold garnet]

have insane unfathomable regret about a minor choice you made

[halcyon breach]

Ngl I'd still err on the side of not getting 2 bullions from the weekly quest

[shy tide]

buy a rope and chair in runescape

[halcyon breach]

Don't think there has been any confirmation for Wowhead to cite

[cold garnet]

let it consume you, haunt your every gaming moment

[opaque citrus]

Brother I’m way ahead of you

[lone imp]

I can't even spell runescape

[steep osprey]

Guys does incorp show up at 10

Or is that spiteful

[shy tide]

they show up in your nightmares

[halcyon breach]

Incorp is at +5

Spite is +10

[steep osprey]

They do

[steep osprey]

This is fucking stupid

Switch this shit

[lone imp]

that seems so backwards

[halcyon breach]

Pretty sure all on-death effects are +10

[steep osprey]

Yeah

Dumb shit

[gray steeple]

Sounds like a wonky sim. What rings do you have? It’s a 7k upgrade for me at 511.

[steep osprey]

Still dumb as fuck

[gray herald]

i got blessed with 2 sockets last week insta socketed eranog ring on reset

[gray steeple]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/complete-4-mythic-dungeons-for-2-antique-bronze-bullions-this-week-extra-piece-339255

[tiny dock]

i just got back into the game so I was only like 490 ilvl

[steep osprey]

So that means we get 3 items the week after

[tiny dock]

i had to do amirdrassil lfr to get the head ench too so I could get it this week

even with a way to do fire dmg it simmed really low for me at that ilvl, OCE was 7k for me

[lone imp]

I question your sims

[cold garnet]

can you link the sim please

[tiny dock]

it's so long ago, can I see historic sims?

[lone imp]

oce is like 12k for me lol

[tiny dock]

i asked in here too but didn't get much traction

[gray herald]

if ur logged in you can click the dropdown in top right

[last beacon]

My longest fight was to this day Mythic Sarkareth with 6:30, and only 2 that exceeded 5 mins were rashok and Echo - doesn’t this mean Signet and Anvil drop in value significantly?

[lone imp]

adjust your sim time

and see for yourself

[last beacon]

What would be theoretical bis

Looking at wowhead gear

[lone imp]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/DF4_Raid.html

I'm sure there's tweaks that can be done to make this number higher, but this is what's in the simcraft profile.

[latent hull]

Whats should i buy with the bullions next

I want a trink but

[lone imp]

look in the pins

[outer yew]

For ST, am I supposed to be tracking Tier proc before sending avatar/wb? Or just let it organically pop and use Ava and WB on cd?

[proven glen]

Probably the Eranog ring next

[tiny dock]

k i can't find the sim I did

[humble plinth]

Is that bullshit game up

[lone imp]

You'll see vaults when it is

[tiny dock]

I found a sim where it shows it was a 6k dps upgrade if I had shadowflame patch and head ench

and I already wasted my spark craft lmao so I just figured it wasn't good for me

[somber lance]

Holy shit more bullions this week

We about to pop off

Timing 20s

[tiny dock]

k i found a sim from that day with the same gear I had, I'm re-running the sim

[blissful bane]

My problem with buying signet is that all these fights are lasting like 2 mins and it degrades signets value. So im not sure if its actually bis or not anymore

[tiny dock]

lots of people saying it's a sim trap

[lone imp]

You can literally sim a 2 minute fight

[halcyon breach]

It's not a sim trap

It does as well as is advertised, in a 5 minute sim

[rugged wave]

Not gonna lies, i hate 3m trinkets. Would anvil+passive be good or trolling? M+ only

[tiny dock]

sry I guess not a sim trap, but yeah, not good in short fights

[blissful bane]

That's the point, sim or not the trinket just doesn't (historically) perform well in shorter fights. Which is why last season we'd swap to bursty trinkets in farm

[abstract hornet]

If U die with anvil or lose stacks it feels bad but if U can keep it going it's good

[tiny dock]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gWsan4dG1976t85t6xUWeZ

there, that was what I was simming for eranogs ring back then

i also didn't have the head ench

[gray steeple]

@tiny dock at that gear level, focus on upgrades and higher ilvl then sim those.

[tiny dock]

ya which is why I just went with OCE for my first bullion

figured i'd keep it for a while

[boreal quartz]

Whack

Actually nvm no lego

[somber lance]

You need leggo

[tiny dock]

ya lol no leggo, no shadowflame patch, no head ench

the ring was a terrible choice for me, i just had no gear

[somber lance]

leggo 535 is prolly like 50k dps for you

[tiny dock]

it's a 42k dps upgrade from my 522 leyline tracer

lol

[somber lance]

Yeah see

Napkin sim

[tiny dock]

well I doubt I'm getting the lego to drop any time soon

I just came back to the game 2 weeks ago

[somber lance]

I would just run mythic 6-8 over and over until you get decent ilvl

[abstract hornet]

Don't stress urself out trying to get it bro just enjoy the patch

[tiny dock]

I'm 506 now lol I'm doing alright

ya I'm just gonna grab ashcandy prob

but hey if it somehow drops in our heroic raid tonight then I guess I'm gonna go for it

[somber lance]

There is almost no contest for it

Since DK and ret use leggo

[tiny dock]

ngl I thought it was a personal loot thing

whats the point in the pity embers then?

[gray herald]

talking about ashkandur

[bold granite]

Things don't live long enough for signet

[tiny dock]

oh

[bold granite]

Am I crazy

[gray herald]

you are not crazy

[tiny dock]

2 other warriors in my guild are both fury so ashcandy ain't happening for a while lol

[gray herald]

3 warriors

[tiny dock]

might just use bullion on it if the lego doesn't drop for me tonight

[tiny dock]

i'm only in the heroic farm runs

too far behind to join the mythic runs atm

[somber lance]

506?

Can do mythic tbh

[runic sand]

for m+. with no one else using ominous trinkets, what trinkets are potentially bis? My raidbot shows pips and stormeaters

[violet steeple]

Defo buyin the eranog ring today bois we are hyped

[tiny dock]

ya prob, but like chawie laughed at, 3 warriors lol

so i be sitting anyways

[gray steeple]

I’m getting it socketed with speed in my Vault then I’ll look to buy a trinket or the other ring with the bonus bullion.

[violet steeple]

Fax no printer bro

But fr I may go for sockets

Cuz I got the 528 sark bracers last night

May socket those + eranog ring and throw BSL on cloak

Pretty big upgrade overall from that cuz I went lariat 1st

[tiny dock]

same

think i should've gone with the allied wrists though

[daring latch]

Is asscandy worth getting if you don’t have lego though? 🤔

[tiny dock]

ya, it's 2nd bis

[violet steeple]

IDK I'm gonna end up lariat/BSL anyway

Bracers are good but we're swimming in stats

[halcyon breach]

*If you play Fury

[tiny dock]

is it not 2nd bis for arms?

[halcyon breach]

Of course not

You can only use 1 weapon

[tiny dock]

lol

[violet steeple]

You want leggo

Farm leggo

[halcyon breach]

Otherwise only consider Ashkandur short term

It's only something I'd think about buying, if I made a completely new char with no Fyrakk kills yet

[violet steeple]

Don't burn your 1st few dinar items on a wep you'll replace literally the second you can

[tiny dock]

well, i meant 2nd bis as in your 2nd best option

[violet steeple]

AND then you'd have to spend 2 more dinars on it lol

[tiny dock]

thats me rn, only 2 kills on lfr and then should be getting 1 more tonight on heroic

[daring heron]

not what i wanna see after being afk for 30 mins

[sage badge]

@daring heron

[daring heron]

[sage badge]

Crit, are you making the numbers go up?

[daring heron]

was thinking whose day did i ruin now

[sage badge]

Best arms warrior I know

[tiny dock]

sry yo that might've been me kekw

another one

[copper summit]

idk if its been posted but yea

[distant bolt]

What are the best trinkets to run in m+? I know the puzzle box is one but what is the second one?

[steep osprey]

You ruined my day after dying twice in AV

[copper summit]

passive one

[sacred zodiac]

no shot this is actually going live like that

[daring heron]

damn

the poop on floor in AV is very nasty

[steep osprey]

Understandable

[steep osprey]

Yeah, is this actually confirmed?

[halcyon breach]

Every dungeon is nasty as melee

[somber lance]

I actually fuck up now cause i used my aspect crests to make a seal thing and should’ve kept them for 14/14 awakened

[steep osprey]

Because it doesn't seem like it is

[copper summit]

wowhead has never lied to us

before

[halcyon breach]

Payphoning as hunter while dancing in melee on warrior trying to dodge swirlies, whirlwinds and other frontals

[steep osprey]

BMs just chilling all the time

[naive sage]

So next week we gain 2 or 3 bullions total?

[sacred zodiac]

i mean it was on ptr but we cant see the state it will go live in

anyone that claims to have a definitive answer is talking out of their ass

[copper summit]

im thinking becasue this season is horrid class tuning and MOP remix is next week i think 2 bullions each week now

[sacred zodiac]

???

[naive sage]

This has no correlation

We gain 2 bullions from the mythic dungeons quests

[copper summit]

nah thats what blizz whats yall to think

[naive sage]

But I wanted to know if we gain a third through raid as usual

[copper summit]

MOP remix is a cover up

[naive sage]

Ok woke

[steep osprey]

Cover up for 9/11

[copper summit]

to soon man

way too soon

[opaque citrus]

Crawling in my skin

[nova marsh]

So wait the two billards WASNT a bug

[somber lance]

We’re actually 535 ilvl in july

[nova marsh]

Holy shit

[somber lance]

Based

[steep osprey]

nuh uh

It's not confirmed yet

Wowhead is spreading misinfortmation

[frigid lava]

server up yet

[steep osprey]

no

[frigid lava]

XD

[quasi torrent]

farmed NA

[sly venture]

Do I int myself if I just prefer playing Juggernaut a little more?

[daring heron]

not really

some people are still playing it and it does do more ST than the other m+ builds

aoe will be lower and it's probably not optimal but it's perfectly viable

[sly venture]

Aight. It's just so much more simple as well.

imo

[sharp tendon]

Cata trinket is bis for st for arms if fight takes longer then 4 min but since its fadet raids an i dont do mythic 2 bis are the two passive ones and hope other players also wear them?

The augury trinket sims so low on bloodmallet but if u see orher players run it then it does kinda link 6/8% of ther dmg

[thick kelp]

u can sim ashes, should perform well in 3min Sims

qnd pbox on 4mins

[misty iron]

@smoky kayak is the 2x bullion quest confirmed on NA now? Its still datamined speculation afaik

[smoky kayak]

smh

[sharp tendon]

Yeh i never rly liked the cata tricket in season 3 was sometimes great dmg and sometimes so shit and u cant control it

[tough steppe]

Puzzle Box is relatively easy to farm

AAAAAAAAAAARCH, I'VE DONE 33 AA'S

AND I GOT ZERO PUZZLE BOXES

But now i'm in doubt

Isn't Ominous really good for M+?

[violet steeple]

Ominous and whispering are BIS on sims but rely on your team having them as well

There are factors to consider

[tough steppe]

ooooooh, so for Ominous to be good, other people gotta have it too

[violet steeple]

Turn off the settings in your sim that says tank/heal/DPS and other buffs for ominous and they're fairly mid

[cursive sun]

im being really stupid but

extra just means

1 this week

and not another one next week right?

[violet steeple]

So if you play with a team that you know will have them, they're BIS

[cursive sun]

or do we just have 3 buillons this reset

[smoky kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[violet steeple]

We don't know yet Dae but likely 3 if it stays

[cursive sun]

ic

[violet steeple]

Aka we'd get a bullion item 3 weeks in a row which would be AWESOME AND FUN PLEASE DO IT BLIZZ

[honest girder]

I made the mistake of binning a myth track pbox in favour of tier first week 🙄

[smoky kayak]

you hate to see it

[violet steeple]

Tier was guaranteed bro, big yikes

[honest girder]

Aye

[cursive sun]

would be so bad if they made us get it 1 week earlier basically

[violet steeple]

That's why you're 33 runs in

Karma

[reef glade]

different guy

[honest girder]

I hate pbox anyway, would rather do 1k less dps

[violet steeple]

I wish they'd just let us get a bullion item and craft weekly, let us have alts and have fun

[cursive sun]

puzzlebox farming has given me underrot ptsd

took me 86 runs to get vial

[reef glade]

are servers up?

[tough steppe]

dear god, game will be back in only 5 hours

[daring heron]

i would 100% have taken the box even if it meant suffering an extra week without tier

[violet steeple]

We're waitin Sword

[honest girder]

Yeah I’m sort of getting that now 😂

[reef glade]

or how does arch know if it’s “made it to live” that u can get 2 bullions

or is the quest available on eu or something?

[honest girder]

NA and EU finally on the same schedule this week 😂

[reef glade]

Ya I mean that’s just what the updates channel sounded like

[sharp wyvern]

so i got anvill last vault and signet sims better than essence on my 2nd trinket but isnt essence better for consistent dps ?

[reef glade]

“Whether it’s intended or not it appears you can get 2” how would that be confirmed

[uncut stag]

when a raid is "awakened" can we still enter non-awakened version of it?

[reef glade]

no

[honest girder]

Not that week, no

[cursive sun]

if all u do is raid

surely its just signet

[reef glade]

But we can’t enter the game?

[tough steppe]

🤔

[fading sage]

Not yet atleast. Maybe in a few weeks they add a console like fated but who knows

[reef glade]

unless again is the quest live for eu rn or something

[cursive sun]

icon doesnt have downsides :)

[reef glade]

idk how they do weekly events for them

Or if it changes on their reset

[smoky kayak]

do you prefer "although officially unannounced?"

[sharp wyvern]

except you need other people in your group to have it

[reef glade]

i mean I was just wondering how that was confirmed after it being speculation the last 2 days but if someone saw the quest or something b4 servers shut down or idk

[honest girder]

It’s obviously not confirmed yet

[smoky kayak]

Icon w/ tank + healer > Nelths > Icon w/ tank OR healer
so if you don't wanna depend on tank/healer, I'd go Nelth, though Icon is better in raid

[reef glade]

so it’s still just a maybe

[hazy flower]

Took me 1 key to get it

Didnt even want it

[reef glade]

when there’s been a whole wow head post about it

[honest girder]

You need to get over it bud

[pure otter]

thank you for the updates-dragonflight page archi, i like it alot!

[reef glade]

[honest girder]

Will be confirmed or not when the servers come up, it’s a high chance if the data mining has picked it up though

[reef glade]

real

[honest girder]

Why would you pick the eggnog ring #2 with bullion, due to how highly contested it is?

[steep osprey]

eggnog lmao

yes and it's very good

like bis

[honest girder]

I know, but trinkets provide more output

So was just curious if it’s due to it’s demand

[reef glade]

I will say if u don’t have leggo ring isn’t as good, my ring def procced like 3x more with leggo

like helm enchant is not adequate enough, maybe if I had another fire dam trinket or sfp or something

[honest girder]

Imagine not having Lego in s4

[reef glade]

but I think it’s just you are able to use/get way more trinkets that are “close” to bis trinkets but no other rings are just a free 1.5% extra damage on top of all the stats

[raven nymph]

Say what now?

[reef glade]

real

[honest girder]

On my sims signet is 12.5k ring isn’t even close

[reef glade]

I mean u also put a socket on it so a little cheating, cuz socket is like few hundred dps of value

but yea it would eventually be socketed still

[tiny dock]

[raven nymph]

Imagine not getting 2 holes in your first vault.

[reef glade]

this is assuming you’re going from non socketed to socketed in that ring slot

how

everything is an ilvl upgrade first week

surely some myth track item from m+ slots

[raven nymph]

Hahaha cloaks and wrists. One shit ring.

[reef glade]

[honest girder]

RIP

[reef glade]

Ring could be worth just to save a bunch of crests

but yea happens ig

[raven nymph]

Socketed my bracers. Saved one for ring.

[tiny dock]

is icon overall better for m+ because there's a better chance your team will have it?

[reef glade]

i think technically less likely cause icon specifically needs healer and tank to have, and tank will almost never have

icon is apparently bis for rdruid at least in raid so decent chance they’ll have it probably

but it might just give more stats with 0 buffs I haven’t checked

[raven nymph]

Could always go augury if you play fury as well.

[fading sage]

I have augury from tw cache 😎

[violet steeple]

I took sockets Swordy

[raven nymph]

Nice

[violet steeple]

I had 3 bracers, 2 worst in slot stat rings and a cloak in my first vault lol

But I’ll be full 528 after tonight’s clear anyway so we gucci

[raven nymph]

One of us. One of us.

[tiny dock]

full 528, what a dream

[nova wigeon]

Yo i need advice , assuming i still not have legi .. and already taked the eranogg ring , raidbot say to me to take a weapon but already have a good one from neltarus , should i take the abberus sword or a trinket ?i'm a mm+ player

[tiny dock]

how are you proccing the ring? head enchant?

[nova wigeon]

yes + shadowflame boots

[raven nymph]

Try for leggo. Then decide.

[nova wigeon]

yes will do obviously

[raven nymph]

I wouldn’t spend on a weapon, but that’s me.

[tiny dock]

ya, lots of weapons getting passed on because of lego

[nova wigeon]

i have same opinion , that's why i'm looking for trinket , the terros one is the best in sims for me atm

[violet steeple]

Don’t waste on a wep

You will get leggo at some point

And you’ll giga regret

[raven nymph]

Spiteful storm? Bait

[nova wigeon]

Rumbling ruby

[balmy swallow]

Since we getting 2 bullions from the weekly quest with reset, what would be the best trinket to get for m+? Having the choice of brand, essence, anvil and neltharions trinket makes it hard

[tiny dock]

icon would give me +400 dps > OCE if neither have any buffs

[sharp tendon]

Nelt i think

[tiny dock]

not too bad i guess

[normal mason]

i gave up after 80 runs to get hero track then last week of season i got 447 in vault. massive troll

[sharp tendon]

With puzzelbox

[tiny dock]

whats hero track

[sharp tendon]

First aa run i got puzzelbox 😎

[normal mason]

it was like 443 or something in s2 for hero track before myth track existed

[nova wigeon]

Neltharion's Call to Chaos i think is a solid choice

[fading sage]

I don’t have the sanity to run AA consistently for box. I ran AD last season ~50 times for eye

[tiny dock]

i've seen everyone else get puzzlebox in my AA runs

[sharp tendon]

Yeh i farmed for eye also allot but not 50

[violet steeple]

AA is a fucking banger man

[tiny dock]

but never me

[violet steeple]

We do so much overall it’s such a blast lmao

[sharp tendon]

Aa is oke nokhud is shit with alle aoe dmg and frontals

And mobs casting and cant interrupt ther 1 min cast

[fading sage]

I got the kickball trinket and I’m content with that until I get something randomly from raid/m+ or bullion

[violet steeple]

I actually enjoy all of the dungeons except Nelth is just annoying

[sharp tendon]

Tomorrow eu first thing i do is cata my 4 set

• 37k dps

I think il buy eranog ring first now since i have lego and puzzelbox/ anvil

[smoky kayak]

is that how it works? 🤔

[old hare]

Do you guys macro puzzle box with anything ?

[steep osprey]

no

[sharp wyvern]

i mean those leaks sure were pretty real werent they

[signal bronze]

no, the 2s cast from puzzle box dont help

[sharp wyvern]

can you even macro puzzle box ? they put it on gcd didnt they ?

[smoky kayak]

combination factor

• it is highly contested
• it's also fairly strong, with nothing else competing in that slot (sans lucky socket drops)
• you can get trinkets that, even if they're not strictly as good as BiS, they reduce the value proposition of buying your BiS outright (e.g. if you're already using a 522 Puzzle Box, buying and upgrading a 528 Anvil/Brand isn't as big of an upgrade)

[violet steeple]

That ring adds direct damage, no other ring adds direct damage, all trinkets add direct damage

I did not read Archis thing before answering, he answered better than me

Love you Archi

[opaque citrus]

Free damage > damage with a cost

[violet steeple]

WE LOVE DAMAGE

[smoky kayak]

more damage = good, confirmed

[tiny dock]

is the helm ench enough to proc eranogs ring

or is it better to have more sources of fire dmg

[sage badge]

Helm enchant and leggo will be enough

[tiny dock]

what if no leggo

[sage badge]

I imagine just helm enchant is fine tbh

[tiny dock]

sweet

thx, wasn't sure if there was some sort of interaction where more sources of fire dmg would be better

[finite ginkgo]

guys is icon bis for any other classes? i mean will we have the buffs in m?

[raven ivy]

How can we even proc fire damage with physical damage smh

[finite ginkgo]

legy, helmet enchant

[raven ivy]

fake news

[rapid bronze]

I have the fiery weapon illusion on my weapon it definitely procs it

[raven ivy]

My shoulders have fire on them does that proc it

[rapid bronze]

yes but you have to be in very close quarters with the enemies

or shoulder tag them