arms

[tough steppe]

don't tempt me

[rare kite]

huh? you definetely can do the same aoe damage as ret with the bs build

[tough steppe]

i usually only do the same AOE as ret using FoB

idk, maybe i suck with the single BS build

[rare kite]

then you're playing wrong

[tough steppe]

actually, even more

[somber lance]

hard to tell i guess, depends on player skill

i got fucked by a ret in nokhud and he had 2 ilvl more than me

aug tho

[nova marsh]

I've taken back my dps and declined all augs

[somber lance]

appreciate you

[gray steeple]

Ran the Juggernaut build and am sold on it.

[small juniper]

According to the Wowhead guide, on multiple targets, if you are not using FoB talent, you should not ever use Whirlwind - use Slam as a rage dump even out of SS buff. Is that correct?

[tough steppe]

#updates-midnight message

[small juniper]

Got it, thanks!

[wicked aurora]

Should definitely be able to keep up or beat using normal single BS build

[fickle nexus]

is that with or without cleave?

[wicked aurora]

With cleave, standard build

[fickle nexus]

ok. just returning this week wasnt sure what arms was using now

[wicked aurora]

Overall coulda been higher but huge pulls on bolstering with leaps are scary and easily death

[delicate mulch]

hmmmmm what trink combo?

[magic canopy]

On mass mass aoe fragment wins, but puzzle/hoof is better overall

[thick kelp]

raidbots.com/topgear

[delicate mulch]

hooves is 8/8 champ box is 4/6 hero and fragment is 5/6 hero

[tough steppe]

Game dced to someone else?

[finite ginkgo]

Id Go Fragment hoove, really Liking Fragment more than puzzlebox

[gleaming cosmos]

Do we know if we're getting Bullion from dungeon quest next week like on PTR?

[rare kite]

puzzle just better, only reason to use fragment over it is if you just really cannot stand the 3sec cast

[wicked aurora]

Puzzle def better

Just press before charging in profit

[finite ginkgo]

For me Fragment is Even Simming in aoe and dungeon slice, i know Puzzle is probably better but i Cba Playing it

[wicked aurora]

Idk it’s fairly non intrusive

If you can play around Lego it’s not much different

Except it’s actually better because you can use it right before you get into combat

[delicate mulch]

simmed it with dungeon slice

[odd kestrel]

Why is puzzle Box BiS / so good for M+ for arms? Is mastery that good?

[delicate mulch]

20% more damage to enemys with deep wounds on

[fair iris]

with not having fyralath on my warri, would you target ashkandur first with bullions? and how much of a loss is ashkandur in comparison to fyralath? 🙂

[gray steeple]

Check pins.

[fair iris]

oh. ty.

[nova marsh]

Mast isn't nessisarily good, more so the sheer amount of mast given by the box

[surreal wigeon]

could u guys help me understand when to MS/Cleave in and out of SS im struggling

[rare kite]

ye when something gives a fuck ton of a stat even if the stat isn't the best it tends to be pretty good. like monk gets 33% haste when summoning xuen and haste is their worst stat, yet it's such a strong talent just coz it's such a big amount of haste.

[rare kite]

with SS you ms 1-4 and cleave 5+. without ss you ms 1-2 and cleave 3+. keep in mind sometimes it's worth pressing ms for the prio damage, like the miniboss in rlp

[surreal wigeon]

oooohhhh

i been fuckin up

lol

now if its a big pull and SS is up im assuming were spamming OP and cleave and MS then?

[daring flicker]

@halcyon breach Hosen check?

[dawn stag]

@halcyon breach state of arms in S4?

[reef glade]

[sour forge]

Arms owns

[nova marsh]

it's pretty good tbh

[versed chasm]

AA trinket should have no cast time

[halcyon breach]

presently unequipped

[halcyon breach]

gooder than fury

[latent hull]

Gooder?

[proper moth]

Arms top 5 maybe even top 3

[latent hull]

[wispy kettle]

[dawn stag]

yahoo!

[naive sage]

Why is everybody using hooves?

[rare kite]

decent trinket that drops from m+

[tough steppe]

mf kicked me from a group because i don't have my neck enchanted

[rare kite]

easy access

[tough steppe]

my neck is not crafted

[gray steeple]

I’m not.

[tough steppe]

[halcyon breach]

huh

[unborn basin]

Should I just put bsl on my lowest ilvl piece?

[gray steeple]

You can add sockets and gems to any neck. Kick was valid imo

[halcyon breach]

As in you never added 3 sockets to your neck, or?

[tough steppe]

I added 3 sockets

He linked me a neck with BSL and asked me why i don't have it in my neck, and kicked me

[halcyon breach]

Can be any piece really, except tier/rings ideally

Personally crafted my neck with BSL, since it's being able to pick stats on jewelry makes switching stats a lot easier

And I didn't get any good necks from m+/raid

[unborn basin]

I got custodian's vers/mas neck so I was thinking belt because it's only 476 still

[halcyon breach]

Belt is also fine

[tough steppe]

btw, what are you guys going to craft next week

[halcyon breach]

Off-pieces like belt, boots, cloak and neck don't really occupy any special items (except Sark cloak but that's another topic, wouldn't worry about it)

[nova marsh]

Bro I haven't even crafted my first piece

[halcyon breach]

Vers wrists

That or a 2nd BSL

[steep osprey]

I'm thinking either 2nd BSL on a ring or vers wrists

[halcyon breach]

Leaning more towards 2nd BSL than vers

[steep osprey]

Should I not put it on ring btw?

Since I can get both Vault rings

[halcyon breach]

Personally wouldn't

Since I cba recrafting later, and it's essentially a "waste" later down the line

[steep osprey]

I'm using last season ring...

btw is it still like 2 weeks until another bullion buy?

[halcyon breach]

Yes

[steep osprey]

[halcyon breach]

We got our first this week, the next will be when Vault opens again

(Assuming the PTR thing stays a PTR thing which I am 99% sure if it hasn't already been confirmed)

[nova marsh]

I need the next dinar so badly

So I can get a new ring

[steep osprey]

I'm using last tier ring still

[halcyon breach]

True

[steep osprey]

[left talon]

So how much haste you exiles running

[steep osprey]

42%

[halcyon breach]

Whatever the sim put me at

[buoyant axle]

https://clips.twitch.tv/NurturingOptimisticBadgerBibleThump-wINMCowGB6h-YP1b

ARMS

[teal fossil]

New hair bussin

[left talon]

Forever denied in +2 keys gang

[steep osprey]

I went on my rogue at who is at 488 to get into 2s

declines after declines

got into one after a while

[rare kite]

holy moly

boo augvoker tho

[proper moth]

How dare you, it’s week 2 you should be 525

[steep osprey]

my warrior main is 510

outdpsed a 503 warrior fury on that rogue

i felt bad for him

[halcyon breach]

I mean

Your average pug player is not gonna be good

Despite their ilvl

Especially in lower keys

[steep osprey]

indeed

[exotic kestrel]

i got roll luck diffed, did every raid difficulty lost 9 tier set rolls, 2 set gang it is

[steep osprey]

[somber lance]

demo lock fucks

[exotic kestrel]

[steep osprey]

It do

[tropic umbra]

i'm really hating puzzlebox after a night of raiding xD

feels so annoying to press

[tough steppe]

Demo lock and frost mage aoe never ceases to surprise me

[exotic kestrel]

frostmage can do some gnarly burst

[tough steppe]

I wish we could use more gem selections in raidbots

[exotic kestrel]

u can if u pay more 😉

[somber lance]

i have 29% haste

literally unplayable

[gray steeple]

That's all?

[outer holly]

pay2win

[zenith warren]

How long fight needs to be for signet to be bis?

[gray steeple]

5-7 minutes, at least

[zenith warren]

I got that over 90% embellishment and some bosses die pretty quickly so im thinking anvil/oce/box will do just fine

[halcyon breach]

Anvil suffers the same issue that Brand does

It wants fights to last longer, for it to full stack

If you want a setup for very short fights, Box + a stat stick will be the best typically

Like Box + OCE/Icon

[zenith warren]

Just waiting for more people to get it with bullions (oce)

[reef glade]

i mean u can just tell that guy he's a clown

but also just seems odd absolutely anyone would kick over that

[thick cairn]

How is the damage coming from fury to arms with fury gear, fury obviously stacked on vers/mast but arms is haste/crit, would it be a big difference in dps?

[exotic kestrel]

sim it

[reef glade]

not "massive" prolly no like arms in fury stats still prolly better than fury

but yea sim should say

regardless it could still feel bad playing arms without gud haste

[exotic kestrel]

im out here playing with 47% haste unbuffed

[thick cairn]

im still on 33% vers

but yeah sims i will check those,

[wicked aurora]

Anvil at least has the ability to extend it outside of combat without weird toys etc.

[halcyon breach]

Wouldn't know, never had it

[rare kite]

you should be glad, trinket is super cringe

[devout pewter]

I think this has probably been talked to death so sorry for asking this again, am a bit confused by some things.
I did read the update channel

We only use Cleave on 2 OP buff charges, ever? Even with SS on 4+ targets?
On lower targets we don't use it at all?

Cleave is confusing me a bit this season 😦

[minor gust]

2 OP buffs is just to make you prio OP over cleave but if you have nothing else then press cleave regardless of op stacks

And you always cleave regardless of SS at more than 3 targets

[mellow seal]

cleave out dpsing SS + MS at 3 targets?

[somber lance]

no

with ss up you prio MS at 3 targets

[slow saddle]

Also use ms if there is a prio target

[devout pewter]

i think only at 4+ you prio cleave

áccodring to the update thingy

[proper moth]

I kinda hate cleave in this current iteration of arms

[minor gust]

Why hate cleave it's just MS but aoe

[devout pewter]

yea it feels kinda slapped on with tape

[somber lance]

i think the positionign part of DN and cleave and cleave is pretty fun

with fury i could just stand in pack and hit everything

*5 targets

[exotic kestrel]

cleave could be very pog

is pretty pog

[minor gust]

I'm still on the side of with SOS gone just fucking delete WW from arms and make cleave the main AOE spell

[exotic kestrel]

hard agree

fuck whirlwind for arms if we cant have SoS

[rare kite]

that's basically what they are doing, might as well not have WW anymore with the cleave buffs

[exotic kestrel]

good

[minor gust]

Yeah ik it's super fucking lazy of them

[wicked aurora]

Yeah I’m not a huge fan of removing storm of swords

I really like WW having a CD but actually doing something

[minor gust]

Yep

[wicked aurora]

It’s the best part of classic warrior is WW actually being big

[rare kite]

I know they changed SoS because it was used in st, but they could have done it so many different ways. make it have a cd with no bigger rage increase and if it hits X targets it will recast x amount of times for free. that way there's no fuckery with am,tom or tactician

now that is just some random bullshit i came up with right now

[minor gust]

I just dislike the laziness of the cleave changes like hey guys we heard arms aoe lacks definition but because we have no idea what to do for arms we're just gonna add cleave to the WW talents and hoping for the best

[exotic kestrel]

I never understood the appeal of WW for arms, especially with FOB, spamming whirlwind fucking nukes my idea of arms fantasy

[wicked aurora]

I don’t even see why it’s a problem that it’s used in single target

So what

[minor gust]

I don't either

But I'm the opposite I hate pressing ST buttons in aoe

[exotic kestrel]

altho tbf i dont have alpha so i dont know how a big spender like SoS WW would feel with new rage econ

[minor gust]

So I can understand if some ppl hate pressing AOE in st

[wicked aurora]

Could easily be tuned accordingly

[minor gust]

Yeah SOS rage could have been nerfed to 40 to fit with new rage

They didn't even try

[exotic kestrel]

well yes

[minor gust]

They just removed one of the coolest talents from DF to some boring ass free rage cost proc

[rare kite]

honestly with the change to cleave i think they could make WW a long cd baseline and it would just hit for alot

[wicked aurora]

Real

WW with CD just feels right

WW without CD just feels like fury lol

[minor gust]

Tbh I really like buttons that have a CD in the range of 10-15 sec and are hard hitting but are pressed pretty frequently.

Like onslaught for fury

[drifting turtle]

Agreed. felt rewarding.

Arms getting spammy as the expansion goes

[flat vine]

Honestly WW fits the Arms theme of spin to win. If it and Blade storm were actually big damage it'd be chef's kiss

[minor gust]

Yeah I just don't ever see a world where cleave and WW co exist without SOS the latest cleave changes basically kill WW as well so like why does WW exist

Once again 0 thought put into warrior changes

[tough steppe]

30 minutes waiting for a tank

[somber lance]

tanks dont exist

[devout pewter]

make cleave an automatic addition to MS like a evoker charge up ability

[exotic kestrel]

play prot, ez fix

[clear axle]

Is this a good stat distribution?

[exotic kestrel]

do whatever sims tell u to do with gear

[rare kite]

if the sim is telling you it is then yes

[somber lance]

MEISTERSCHAFT

[exotic kestrel]

german

[grand idol]

man, some non english words are just more fun

[teal fossil]

Vers sounds like ass

[flat vine]

Hooked on phonics is failing me on that one

[thick cairn]

if you played both fury and arms, what would be the 2nd bullion purchase that would be safe to use for both specs, augury right?

[opaque citrus]

the cursed trinket collection grows

[minor gust]

Eranogg ring

[minor gust]

Drogbar rocks owns

[thick cairn]

woops should've mentioned i have a 502 eggnog ring

[inner wasp]

debating on stopping my use of combined bags and just being an individual bags gamer

[wispy kettle]

I like the elvui setting where you can seperate bags, but still have them blocked together

[sour forge]

Diurna ring

[minor gust]

Then next on the list is a trinket either oce or icon or augury if your gonna play a lot more fury

[sour forge]

Icon/oce probs good too

[minor gust]

You don't need Diurna ring unless your doing hard M+ content

[gray steeple]

I dunno about that. It's so good, you want it for all content

[minor gust]

Want and need are two different things

[sour forge]

Gotta protect your bsl

[gray steeple]

By that, you don't need anything in the game.

[thick cairn]

im just thinking from a pov that i already have a version of the ring, its not much of an upgrade atm compared to the trinkets

[minor gust]

Not saying Diurna ring is bad I just don't think it's high priority on bullion

[gray steeple]

Droptimizer on raidbots.

[minor gust]

Get Lego get eggnog ring sport out your trinkets then you can invest in Diurna ring

[fringe moon]

The arrowhead trinket sims very high for single target unless you have better raid trinkets

[opaque citrus]

yeah its what i use lmao

[gray steeple]

Ditto.

[hollow axle]

On MT sitution do we wait Avatar and CS goes off to use Leggo? Or just use after BS?

[terse plume]

I think you want to hit leggo outside of major cds if you can

as it dosent benefit from any of our cds

[fringe moon]

I wish there was a heroic level of that trinket

[bitter monolith]

what should i craft with my first spark?

[gray steeple]

What you need the most

[bitter monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/rolls-eyes-whatever-you-say-gif-25023299

[gray steeple]

You can sim for it with droptimizer or gear compare. Unless someone is psychic and knows your toon and content you do.

Wrists are always good if you don't have. Or some off-spec piece. Check out the pins and gear guide on wowhead as well for ideas

[jolly spoke]

Guys on fresh alt with 0 tries on leggo… 1st bullion item askhandur? And then if I get lucky I at least have askhandur for fury?

[gray steeple]

yes

[clever crag]

Onslaught bis button

[left talon]

I heckin love arms

[coarse oxide]

Anyone else struggling to get invited to +8 random pisschill weeklies with 3.1k s4 score and 517 ilvl or is my game bugged ?

[left talon]

We are exiles

[exotic knot]

Nah its just the abundance of DPS doing that

And warriors are lacking utility wise

[obsidian topaz]

I’m having more trouble this season than last, yes.

I think there’s just more people online with the new season. More pallies and warlocks in queue

[coarse oxide]

ikr, I could pug +28 keys and get to 3.6k easily with drums comps last season and now i'm just stuck for hours trying to queue +8

[errant goblet]

is augury not that good for arms? its not on the bullion priority buy list

[opaque citrus]

not particularly

[errant goblet]

even for aoe? best trinkets are icon/chromatic and signet for everything or something else?

[gray steeple]

Those depend on comp and length used to get max benefit

[honest girder]

Meta Andy’s holding out for priest/deva/lock or mage

It’s fun joining such a group and just blasting them

[honest girder]

Sims 2k behind anvil for me

Wanted one all of s3 so might just grab it anyway

Probably translates to m+ too

[nova marsh]

Augury is good for fury

Like stupid good. But kinda mid for arms.

[cold vigil]

what does arms dofire damage with? the legendary?

ah i guess the trinkets too

[gray steeple]

Helm enchant. Ring. Shadowflame embellishment. Leggy. Some trinkets.

[nova marsh]

And arms technically does fire damage the whole fight

With lego

Can the ring proc off itself?

[cold vigil]

wish i had it

[gray steeple]

Helm enchant

[nova marsh]

Massive skill issue

[outer holly]

Does anyone know any facts as to how the great vault works with non awakened mythic raids? Or if once all raids become awakened we can farm the early bosses across several raids to fill vault?

[patent crescent]

Is Dungeon Slice supported on Raidbots for Arms? Or is it just compare between AoE Patchwerk and ST Patchwerk?

[outer holly]

d slice pretty good for arms

Jugg apparently overperforms on it

[proud plover]

it does work but its not a true run of m+

[nova marsh]

Unawakened raids do not contribute to the fault

[proud plover]

its prolly th closest thing to simming for m+ without actually running multiple sims tho

[nova marsh]

Once all the raids are u can probably farm it across all 3 very easily

[proud plover]

your raid vault can be any item from all 3 raids

[patent crescent]

I was mostly just curious if it actually was supported because some classes/specs don't support Dungeon slice at all.

[void shell]

Is it that important for arms to track melee swings?

[proud plover]

yeah supported and updated - recommended maybe not

[teal fossil]

Not until next expac

[proud plover]

practise charge weaving once again

[nova marsh]

[cold vigil]

wish i had the lego

[proud plover]

just loot it

[shadow ibex]

@gaunt owl is it still unsafe to macro anvil

[proud plover]

macro it to ms and forget - use archi macro for it its awesomee

[outer holly]

Yep, if it drops just blame it on the tank

[shadow ibex]

ok i remember there being something funky with macroing it to MS in s2

[proud plover]

#showtooltip Mortal Strike
/castsequence reset=0.7 Mortal Strike, Elementium Pocket Anvil

[cold vigil]

yes i'll just go do that. oh wait... im locked out of mythic til next week -_-

[urban iron]

What’s the best options for m+ trinkets? I have puzz/528 anvil

With the option to pick up Aug/brand next week

[proud plover]

thy are prolly as bis as you can get unless your tank+heals using an icon and everyone using oce

[urban iron]

Nah I pretty much pug life

[proud plover]

thing is unless your are running a non cleave build beecause anvil doesnt proc off cleave only ms

[urban iron]

Yeah - I was thinking augury may be better than anvil for fort weeks

[void shell]

I might be a bit out of the loop, is the talent/ability that sometimes reset mortal strike gone

[proud plover]

no there are 2 - one from op (battlelord talent) and the other from ms (eb talent - right above massacre)

[urban iron]

Puzz box is so troll I’m tempted to use irideus just so I don’t have to mess with the cast time

[proud plover]

^^ thats an option

irid also is amazing with huricane builds

thats alot of str

[smoky kayak]

Use my macro

[proud plover]

its downside is you lose a stack every attack and we attack fast

[halcyon breach]

Puzzle box really isn't that bad when you use it a few times

Don't get what the fuss really is about it

[proud plover]

where pb gives full mastery for 30 secs covering all your cd's

[shadow ibex]

puzzlebox makes me feel smurt

solving problems between melee swing

https://tenor.com/view/hello-top-of-the-morning-top-hat-cat-cheerio-gif-5464334

distinguished gentleman

[timber solar]

Fury gears picking up some off-pieces to play arms. Is the stat good enough now? 🙂

[silk spade]

What is it

Or where can I find it

[proud plover]

yes that will work

[urban iron]

There’s nothing wrong with it, I’m just dumb is all

[livid cloak]

I have 2 on use trinkets rn, it's not my favorite

2 more weeks for guaranteed icon or oce

[idle night]

guys im no where near to getting lego and I used buillon on diurna, how cooked am I

[cursive estuary]

Is it worth going 2-2 on this season tier and last season or just wait till full 4pc for new

[idle night]

you can't split them

[cursive estuary]

Does it just not work if you try to split

either of em

[sterile geyser]

you can split them wdym

[proud plover]

2+2 is awesome in m+ and you need to sim it for ST

[cursive estuary]

🔥

ty

My ilvl is just not movin rn cuz I still got old tier on so I wanted to see if it was worth doin 2+2 for my Mplusing

[proud plover]

do you have a weapon in the 515 range?

[idle night]

no but its probably fine ill just get ashkandur next time ig

[proud plover]

yeah the rend damagee bonus is big and the increased chance to proc sd still allows jugg builds to pump and thee bonus to ms from new 2pc is alsso good

[proud plover]

yeah this

having new 4pc gives 8% bonus damage and that 2pc rend 30% makes up for it in m+

[void shell]

The cleave conditionals are a bit confusing, is it simplified to say Cleave >4 targets during SS and >=3 out of SS?

[halcyon breach]

#arms message good writeup from Deswind

[void shell]

Thank you!

[void shell]

Just to check, does this mean at 3T with SS youd never use cleave even if it was off CD?

[halcyon breach]

Yes basically

[inner wasp]

what about 3t with SS down
do i press execute?

knowing when to press execute is getting to me

[halcyon breach]

It's just a fairly low priority filler in AoE, unless you got a prio target

Haven't actually checked for the 100% accurate placement in the prio, but I personally just feely use it when there's a prio target in exe range, and otherwise just ignore it

[hazy flower]

same

I'm not 100% sure about execute in aoe where does it stand

if I need to prio I'll smack full st

otherwise full dn, tc and this season cleave

[inner wasp]

what about ms in 3 target no ss

same story? or press

[halcyon breach]

Yes

no press

Unless prio target

[inner wasp]

i dont prio i want overall dmg

[halcyon breach]

Well then just OP + Cleave spam away

[inner wasp]

with ss up i do press tho right? regardless of target count

just low ish prio

[halcyon breach]

You'd essentially press it on CD regardless of target count if prio target, otherwise just ignore MS at 3+ targets if no SS

[inner wasp]

also in st w/ the hybrid build

if i have 2 stacks of prowess up, but need to press cleave as filler, would i rather press clap as filler so i dont waste the 2 stacks of prowess on a st cleave

[halcyon breach]

Ideally yes

You want to avoid pressing Cleave with 2x MP at as much as possible

[inner wasp]

unless aoe

[halcyon breach]

There are niche situations where you have nothing at all including TC, but Cleave with 2x MP, where you could press Slam

[inner wasp]

man i dont even have slam on my bars

[halcyon breach]

But that's very min/max

[halcyon breach]

Well yeah, the context was ST

[trim arrow]

this guy

[inner wasp]

in aoe, do i ever stop pressing ms even with ss up

[trim arrow]

bought smold sword

[inner wasp]

at some target count

[trim arrow]

with bullion

[halcyon breach]

Yes, if no prio target you don't press it above 3 targets

[edgy karma]

Sup bois, what macros can i use as arms? Or its just normal keybinds

[halcyon breach]

There aren't really any Arms specific macro's this season

[edgy karma]

Rip puzzleblox macro?

[inner wasp]

bruh i do a whole ass researchers under fire event for the 60x currency and it doesnt even give me any?

must be only once per week

tragic waste of 10 min

[trim arrow]

why would you macro puzzle

[halcyon breach]

It does work with Avatar, but that's only if you run double bladestorm (which isn't recommended)

[edgy karma]

Ahh thank you

[inner wasp]

so 2 targets, ss up

do i cleave instead of clap as filler

[trim arrow]

since most cds are off gcd

dont you lose buff uptime

macroing them to a cast like puzzle

[robust ridge]

You used to macro it because you'd be bladestorming anyway, so it wasn't a loss of GCD's

[silk spade]

The idea is that you cast puzzle during bladestorm channel

[robust ridge]

Banezi has explained that's not possible though above

[trim arrow]

did you not lose ticks

of buffed bs

doing that

[silk spade]

@halcyon breach Yoru my beloved

[robust ridge]

The damage came from the buff after the BS primarily

BS itself wasn't a huge damage output; you'd have hurricane + merciless bonegrinder buff for cleave / WW

[silk spade]

Thought it was 5+

[trim arrow]

also

10 stack sark buff

with grug

[halcyon breach]

#arms message long and short really

I trust Deswind with the numbers

Don't think it matters too terribly much in the smaller target counts when you do one or the other

[inner wasp]

i dont cleave unless at 2mp?

i thought u cleave on cd

[halcyon breach]

Optimally, that's correct

But the difference between OP -> Cleave spam in 5+ Targets is about 1%~

2x MP is more prio damage

[inner wasp]

feels like it'd be really easy to starve urself of op charges then

[copper summit]

are yall doing dinar ring next or chromatic?

for the bullion

[normal mason]

Probably see what trinkets I get from vault before I get the ring. Grieftorch, puzzle box and leggo is getting too annoying to use in m+ and raid

[halcyon breach]

It can be, but you also have other fillers like TC and WW which both guarantee an OP charge (which you want to press anyway), so often you always have something to press in AoE unless you're unlucky

[halcyon breach]

When we get our 2nd Bullion item, it'll be Vault again, so I'll wait and see till after raid with what I'll buy and based on what my 2 vaults between now and then will have in them

[copper summit]

the way my guild is doing raid this season is. clear till we have to think then just stop lol.. so we just m+

[inner wasp]

as far as cds go

avatar and roar dont get cd reduced, so they should be always synced?

right

[halcyon breach]

Unless you have Uproar, yes

[inner wasp]

what about smash and bladestorm desyncing from things tho

do i always want to hold for warbreaker

[halcyon breach]

Avatar + Roar, assuming no Uproar, you want to use together with WB

[normal mason]

M+ trinkets are some straight garbage this season besides puzzle box tbh so I’m more inclined to get augury for fury and arms because I play both

[inner wasp]

so use ava roar with wb, and use bs with wb

just use stuff w/ wb?

[halcyon breach]

Essentially

[tough steppe]

Pretty sure i will grab chromatic

[inner wasp]

so if something is up, and wb is up, dont hold for too long just send

[copper summit]

in m+ what are yall grabbing thats not uproar?

[halcyon breach]

Every 25-30~ sec you have WB, every 50 sec to 1 min you have WB + BS (+ Roar if Uproar is talented), every 1:30 you have Ava + WB (+ Roar if no Uproar) and so on

[copper summit]

oopps didnt mean to tag that one my b

[teal fossil]

shockwave or the 2nd point of cruel strikes

[halcyon breach]

Yes basically

Press CDs on CD will get you far

[tough steppe]

I'm even giving up on cruel strikes as a whole and going at dungeons with shockwave, int shout and storm bolt

[halcyon breach]

Just sometimes you learn from experience when it's fine to hold

[sage badge]

Ideally yes. But I mention 3 as like the sweet spot. Easy to see during pulls. If you know how many mobs there are then follow the correct priority. The damage difference is 1% either way. So min/max if you can or just ST during sweeping at 3 and cleave at 4 or more.

[inner wasp]

so lego on cd, then sync cds with wb on cd, then 2mp cleave -> ww -> op -> clap
if 3 targets w/ ss, prio ms and exe over op and cleave
3+ drop ms/exe for the 2mp cleave prio list

this covers everything in my brain except 2 target

[silk spade]

how long would you hold (if ever) wb + bs if avatar is coming up soon?

[inner wasp]

what if 2 target, no ss

[halcyon breach]

You MS then

[dire hinge]

You'd single target rotation if it's 2 target w/o sweeping up

[inner wasp]

gotcha

[inner wasp]

but is this agreeable

have i cracked the code

am i big arms player

[dire hinge]

heck yeah 😄

[inner wasp]

am i supposed to prio 2 stack op over whirlwind?

or do i just send ww

also, aoe opener
charge -> ava -> wb -> clap -> roar -> bladestorm -> whirlwind?

[magic canopy]

new drake response weaker then prebuff slam

[halcyon breach]

At least he keeps it going

Almost expected Kendrick to drop a response within 30 min again

[proper moth]

Lmao

[halcyon breach]

Charge -> TC -> Cleave -> Ava + WB -> Roar -> BS -> WW -> and so on

The Cleave is to trigger the 4set buff if you're wondering

[inner wasp]

do u have enough rage for tc cleave?

[halcyon breach]

You can TC because of Charge giving 20 rage + an auto attack landing

[civic isle]

We grabbed everything around the tree in AA last night, peaked around 2.8Mil

[halcyon breach]

And if you're not 100% dry, you have no problem doing TC -> Cleave either

[civic isle]

1 cleave hit for over 1.5m

Shit was bussin

BM hit 4m though lmoa

[inner wasp]

how does lego fit into this if applicable

charge -> lego -> rest?

[halcyon breach]

AA first pull goes hard though as MM

[inner wasp]

oh u need to apply shit

[halcyon breach]

I personally hold Lego till after CDs, assuming a pack is still alive by then

Although depends on context

[inner wasp]

"after cds" is a blurry line

cuz "cds" last like 30 sec

[halcyon breach]

Sometimes you have a lot of smallies but a few big mobs, you can then hold Lego and use mid CDs if it means you're able to suck the stacks from all the smallies before they die, and keep the damage buff for the big mobs

[swift portal]

what are average people pulling in M+ overall

[inner wasp]

context is training dummies in valdrakken

[halcyon breach]

Use after CDs

[inner wasp]

whats "after cds" mean tho

[halcyon breach]

When you don't have CDs rolling

[inner wasp]

like after hurricane runs out?

[halcyon breach]

No Ava/WB or anything

[inner wasp]

gotcha

[halcyon breach]

But as the example I mentioned above, sometimes there are cases where you'd use mid CDs

[inner wasp]

i definitely cannot tc cleave if dry

[errant goblet]

anyone have a link to the best talents for amidrassil bosses with the new tier set?

[halcyon breach]

It's a bit of strict opening just mentioning the order you want to use the abilities, typically you're gathering mobs or you can build a bit of rage first then do the opener

[proud plover]

i love charge > tc > leggo > tc > cleave > allthestuff

[halcyon breach]

The exact same as the two previous raids

Just the standard ST build

[proud plover]

or replace first tc with ww to leggo dot everything for bigger leggo use

[halcyon breach]

With exception for Council where you can use Improved Sweeping instead, and Tindral + Fyrakk having a few changes too picking Uproar

Although timings on Tindral now might be kinda scuffed where Uproar isn't necessarily needed anymore

Haven't looked into it

[mellow seal]

is there something special i need to do for alpha/beta access? or is it rando

[minor gust]

you can pay for beta access with one of the TWW bundles

[devout prism]

for M+ do we still use the FoB/WW build if we do not have the S4 tier sets?

[civic isle]

this shit XD

[surreal wigeon]

lol did my man press 2 buttons

[reef mauve]

More like 1.3 buttons

[surreal wigeon]

am i trolling if i play the jugg build on fort week?

[teal fossil]

no

[nova marsh]

just run the raid build

[gray steeple]

Maybe on a high the week but otherwise theJugg build is more than sufficient for fort weeks. Tyr weeks too. It like it’s difficult to change specs.

[surreal wigeon]

am i pressing MS too much?

[warped ether]

No looks pretty good

[surreal wigeon]

felt like cleave is kinda low

[warped ether]

Try to use cleave more efficiently

Yeah

[surreal wigeon]

89 to 220

[boreal quartz]

Ms is never down right wrong to press

Assuming you ms the right mob

[surreal wigeon]

im currently pressing cleave w/ ss up at 4+ and with no SS im pressing cleave as my aoe spender

[boreal quartz]

Say the big guy in rlp upper area

Doesnt matter if there's 400 scorchlings, you make the timer go faster

[surreal wigeon]

im tryin to leran arms imve always played fury

i feel more comfortable atm with jugg build

[warped ether]

Is this with jugg talents ?

[surreal wigeon]

yes

[warped ether]

Yeah you need way more execute damage then

[surreal wigeon]

on boss im crushing it

[warped ether]

Not by a lot but still

[surreal wigeon]

i just avoid execute on aoe packs cuz im cleaving/ss/OP etc

im better at fury but my damage is kinda poop

[boreal quartz]

It's not like last tier

Breakdown looks alright tbh

[warped ether]

True

[boreal quartz]

Also drop raid horn

[surreal wigeon]

ill keep practicign and watching crit

[boreal quartz]

Dogshit trinket

[surreal wigeon]

ive been fucki ntryin!

u know how many AA's ive done

[warped ether]

I’m so confused this season because of dreadnought doing more then op

[boreal quartz]

Yea and ur on the right path

[surreal wigeon]

buff fury plz

kek

[exotic kestrel]

no, leave fury in the gutter

[steep osprey]

Curb stomp fury

[wicked aurora]

fuckin wild that I'm getting declined to 10s

516 in bag and over 2500 lmao

I just need the last two fort keys on 10+ >.>

[steep osprey]

damn

that means i have no chance in 10s lmao

[wicked aurora]

losing my mind

this guy fuckin declined me lmao

[molten crane]

dawg i have tried and failed 4 +6 in the last 2 days. takes an hour to get into a key, then the tank or healer leaves before first boss because they die in a supid way

i'm currently 508

can't even do my own key because it takes forever to find people at the times i play

it's so cursed

[wicked aurora]

I mean my own key is a 12

but the game refuses to give me anything but AA

[molten crane]

i will take anything. i need to farm aspect crests so bad

[wicked aurora]

so I'm trying to pug into RLP or HOI because they're the only ones I need for score rn

[molten crane]

but like, i feel like my ilvl is good. i interrupt important stuff. usually top dps by at least 100k. key sjust go to shit so fast

everyone is so poopypants

[karmic sun]

bricked my mates 9 to a 7 last night first tank went offline after dying first pull then healer went offline after dying to 2nd pull in AV. Can confirm indeed poopypants

[molten crane]

its sad bc like i WANT to power up my leggo

i WANT to re-craft my wrist and lariat to mythic ilvl

bu ti literally can't get into the keys in a timely manner

[cinder ocean]

😢

[exotic kestrel]

dps warrior life

sure we do decent dmg and bring battle shout, but thats it

not realy any reason to bring us.

Next week is gonna be worse

[honest girder]

You have this trouble even when hosting your own keys?

I’m capped on all crest from just making my own groups….

Just do 8s for aspects

[cinder ocean]

Ye week one I listed my own keys and I had some beeeeefy HOF/title players apply so they were super smooth

[exotic kestrel]

im afraid the secret is being greedy about who u take

[cinder ocean]

Ya and putting in the time last helped with kickstarting my gear/io so this week is comfy now

[exotic kestrel]

dont have that much time to play anymore these days sadly

[nova wigeon]

Yo guys , i already have done fyrrak HC this week , if i do mythic i have another chance to get legie ?

[astral yarrow]

Yes

Although it isn’t as binary as that, but yeah

[frigid lava]

do yall still use fatality?

seems not so effective lately

[astral yarrow]

It’s 1 point doing a lot of damage

[exotic kestrel]

the longer the fight the better it is i guess

[boreal quartz]

Also damage amp sometimes

You can hit a fatality into raz shield if lucky

[exotic kestrel]

Altho i do wish it wasnt a thing

[frigid lava]

yea... sometimes raid dmg is so high, it doesn't do as much dmg

as i want it to do

[exotic kestrel]

eh, a proc u only semi control doing alot of ur dmg sounds ass

[molten crane]

ye, i sat in front of adungeon with my key in queue for 10 minutes with not even a dps hit last night lol

[brittle pelican]

thats any generic dpser life

you have like 20 applicants for keys

[exotic kestrel]

yep

[brittle pelican]

imo wow is unplayable completely solo

[exotic kestrel]

But not bringing anything special/ not being "meta" sure doesnt help

[exotic kestrel]

I wouldent say unplayable but solo is defo like 10% as fun as having a group going

if i had to fully play solo id quit

[bronze elbow]

hey so

am i crazy or is this set bonus like, ass?

[frigid lava]

I've been playing wow completely solo for a while.

[cinder ocean]

mechanically it's not exciting but it's numerically very strong

[bronze elbow]

i've been playing with this for a week or so on my arms warrior alt and like, idk, this alt was 3k last season and felt pretty tough... I feel like my warrior last season kicked the shit out of my warrior this season.

[frigid lava]

solo queue everything

[exotic kestrel]

crazy

[brittle pelican]

it cranks wdym

[exotic kestrel]

this set bonus is insanely strong

[bronze elbow]

mortal strike hits like an absolute truck

but the aoe is not so much there

[exotic kestrel]

wdym

[frigid lava]

troar fucks

[exotic kestrel]

8% dmg and 8% crit almost 100% uptime

s3 set was more noticable because of the thunderclapping. but s4 is defo stronger

[bronze elbow]

so maybe i'm just crazy

i feel like all that stands out right now is that i mortal strike like an absolute freight train

[exotic kestrel]

im 2p + 2p right now coz it was a upgrade, i simmed for 4set and it was a 30k dps increase at equal ilvls

single target

[wicked aurora]

idk I feel like I do more than "decent" damage

[exotic kestrel]

but thats personal experience

Im not sure how good we are rn, On ST its very good i know.

[halcyon breach]

In keys, our damage is also very good

It's not Spriest/Destro levels of good just quite, but still very good

[exotic kestrel]

ah

[bronze elbow]

i will say, it feels stronger than my enhancement main

but jesus, my aug almost does.

and i still feel really hard to kill as arms in keys

[exotic kestrel]

[exotic kestrel]

alot feels scary, but survivable and im at like 503 ilvl

[frigid lava]

warrior survives a lot of dmg that would kill other classes

[exotic kestrel]

yep

Spell reflect is such an insane defensive if u think about it

id still only wish IP had a bigger stack window instead of 1 second

[wicked aurora]

is your ability to trade items tied to the upgrade track or the actual ilvl?

[tropic umbra]

Ilvl

[wicked aurora]

that's what I thought

[tropic umbra]

But if it's a trinket or ring, if it's only higher than 1 you get stuck with it.

[wicked aurora]

but this pally screwed me out of a ring then

[tropic umbra]

Both of what you currently have need to be higher to trade a new one

[tropic umbra]

Maybe not

[wicked aurora]

homie had a 509 and a 515 and he said he couldn't trade the 509 that dropped

claimed it was because his 515 was champ

[tropic umbra]

The maybe so, but arguably he didnt "screw you" out of it. If it dropped for him he can do what he wants with it, as sucky as it is.

[exotic kestrel]

[wicked aurora]

Sure, but don't make up bs just say you don't want to trade it

[exotic kestrel]

while i agree

[tropic umbra]

Some people have trouble saying no. So will use an excuse to hide.

Not everyone is a super confident chad xD

[exotic kestrel]

alot of people either dont know, or dont want the confrontation in a game

[tropic umbra]

He could also have not been fluent and meant that the new ring was a higher upgrade track than his current?

Like champ -> hero even if same ilvl

I've said no to trading loot before for that reason

[wicked aurora]

maybe but uhh I don't think you're replacing seal of diurna's chosen unless it's with another higher ilvl seal

[tropic umbra]

Hahah

That's true

[exotic kestrel]

oof

[wicked aurora]

it's whatever

I'll just farm it on an 8

[tropic umbra]

7's are still hero track if you want a tiny bit of an easier time

[exotic kestrel]

only 2 more weeks till i get diurna's

[tropic umbra]

I don't know whether to get signet first or eranogs ring. I'll probably sim it closer to the time. Still 2 vaults before then anyhow.

[wicked aurora]

I desperately need more haste

at least I shed a lot of excess crit tonight

[exotic kestrel]

u can have some of mine, i havnt upgraded alot of gear yet, and most i did upgrade g ave me even more haste

im almost in 30% reduction territory

[wicked aurora]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1095437188348518431/1236853871658401843/image.png?ex=6639856e&is=663833ee&hm=279f81b5022c93e59669f5e1e8ddf51529d4897753cdf70d2a4a265ec244c3b0&

[tropic umbra]

I'm at like 36% haste can't see a way of getting more tbh considering both rings are spoken for.

[wicked aurora]

this was earlier tonight

[exotic kestrel]

70% crit chance Mortal strikes Pog

[tropic umbra]

Nvm, I'm lying apparently

[outer holly]

well only 1 ring is really spoken for

[tropic umbra]

We want the absorb ring too ?

[exotic kestrel]

realistically yes

[tropic umbra]

Which makes two. Granted it's less of a priority but it's the bis.

[wicked aurora]

absorb ring is giga

it's a lot of survivability for free

[exotic kestrel]

yeh honestly i dont see a world where u dont want both

[cold vigil]

do tier sets' effects activate in pvp?

or is it better to just be all pvp gear?

[exotic kestrel]

no idea, dont pvp

probably better to go full pvp gear

[tropic umbra]

Definitely all PvP gear. Even just for the ilvl bump

I think there are PvP versions of the tier too

Might be wrong tho

[cold vigil]

dont think so

theres one set bonus for wearing 2 pvp trinkets

[wicked aurora]

definitely grabbing seal next

[outer holly]

Yeah free shield is nice, but it's just a random uncontrollable shield, otherwise the ring is just haste and mastery. It's not like you don't parse if you swap it for anything else.

[wicked aurora]

shit is like 10k dps for me according to sims

[cold vigil]

thats all i see for set bonuses

[tropic umbra]

The #pvp channel would be the place with better answers tho

[cold vigil]

oh theres a pvp channel sorry

[wicked aurora]

it's rather giga tbh

[tropic umbra]

We just dumb computer smashers

[wicked aurora]

it's also simming pretty high

[outer holly]

i'm curious what they mean by Approximately [2 + Haste] procs per minute

[wicked aurora]

at 535 it's a 232k shield

[exotic kestrel]

massive

[tropic umbra]

Sim it against the m+ haste ring from av, see which is higher. I'm not at my pc so I can't D:

[magic canopy]

Shield is crazy good

[outer holly]

Hey when it saves you it works

[tropic umbra]

"Unstable arcane loop"

[wicked aurora]

it was so good that people ran it all the way through Sark prog in season 2

[magic canopy]

new mog

[tropic umbra]

Those 7 ilvls giving a whole 1k xD

[outer holly]

People also used annulet, S2 was weird

[wicked aurora]

200*

[tropic umbra]

I mean against the loop I mentioned

[wicked aurora]

But either way, it's similar to the best simming ring in M+ for me and has an added benefit

[exotic kestrel]

even if it lost dps

[tropic umbra]

Shield ring does indeed still sim higher so more dps + shield. Yes pls

[exotic kestrel]

still giga worth

[strange perch]

Did Arms change, or require some specific pieces of gear or something this season? Feel like there's a 150k DPS difference between people with the same gear in my pugs

[exotic kestrel]

lots of fury players swapping to arms

[tropic umbra]

Trinkets, tier, weapon, skill.

[wicked aurora]

well yes it changed with season set bonus

[exotic kestrel]

and the above

[tropic umbra]

Old fury to new arms isn't that bad a stat swap. It's just changing mastery for haste really.

[outer holly]

Also someone who's familiar with a fight is gonna naturally do better DPS

[proud plover]

shield ring is highest ilvl ring in game so more stats total

[wicked aurora]

more stam is bigly in keys

[proud plover]

i want it to maintain bsl uptime tbh

[exotic kestrel]

wednesday il just loot 1 of the 2 rings out of vault, ez

[wicked aurora]

real

[tropic umbra]

Does the vault do all the raids?

[outer holly]

huh never noticed the shield ring has the very rare affix

[proud plover]

yes

[tropic umbra]

I thought this week's vault is just abberus?

Oh nice

[exotic kestrel]

yeh ez loot

[tropic umbra]

I got 2 slots of mythic atm so here's hoping

[proud plover]

gl

[outer holly]

dear god you did Kaz this week? I hope to god you didn't pug

[proud plover]

im a normal andy this tier, pwar raid and arms keys

[tropic umbra]

My guild smashed heroic and did 4 bosses of mythic in a night.

We're only 1 day raiding this tier tho since it's a filler season

[proud plover]

i plan to pug all 3 heroic on week 7 for aotc then play mop remix

[clever crag]

The hc is easy af even with low gear

You can pug 100%

[tropic umbra]

There's no curve this season

Or CE

Just the mount thing

[outer holly]

same potato

[tropic umbra]

Haha fair

[exotic kestrel]

cant wait to fight tindral again..

[tropic umbra]

Not really aotc tho

[proud plover]

eeasiest way to splain it tho

[tropic umbra]

Tru

[outer holly]

My guildies who fall apart on Larry "We should do mythic fyrakk before the raid perma awakens"

[exotic kestrel]

we died after tindral sadly, just couldent bring up the motivation for fyrakk

[pallid olive]

should i swap some gems and enchants from crit to haste so i have 34% haste again or is it ok like this?

[safe cedar]

sim it bruh

[split lantern]

[raven nymph]

Avoidance too low

[safe cedar]

he has 11.7% it's gucci

[wicked aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[proud plover]

its low

[safe cedar]

pretty sure that's called luck

[proud plover]

most avoidance ive had ever, its my turn to be lucky

[safe cedar]

Im proud of you

[jade basalt]

Bro became the demon hunter

[exotic kestrel]

rolled leech on myth helm first vault, im happy so far

[jade basalt]

Sweet free heals

[exotic kestrel]

instantly got punished for it with no tier drop tho

ive rolled high once, a 98 but i got tie diffed

[jade basalt]

New set feeling good so far but sometimes I forget to maintain rend

Gotta make that tracker weakaura again

[proud plover]

just use tc as a filler often and its fine

[jade basalt]

I liked the 9.2 arms aoe the most

Whirlwind spam

[proud plover]

9.2? mbg ring?

[latent moss]

🤮

mbg is so cringe

[exotic kestrel]

WHirlwind spam? 🤢

[latent moss]

cleave and dn is so much healthier and better

[proud plover]

i dont even like cleave tbh

[latent moss]

cleave is good dn just does way too much damage

cleave should be #1 prio

in aoe

[proud plover]

im a fan of cleave idea but i want it to just replace ms completely and interact with everything thee same as ms

[opaque ferry]

Jo, Little question, do we proc eranog Ring with legy?

[proud plover]

yes

[jade basalt]

Shadowflame = shadow and also fire

There are a few combo types like this

[opaque ferry]

Yes i mean every dot Tick ?

[exotic kestrel]

yes

[proud plover]

leggo/helm chant/some trinkets - any fire damage

[jade basalt]

Supposed to be

[proud plover]

any dot tick has a chance to prroc it - with no internal cd that im aware of

[opaque ferry]

Nice

[latent moss]

ep

[jade basalt]

Feral t31 4p bonus does fire damage but didnt proc the ring til the hotfix 3 days ago

[latent moss]

with cleave would be nuts

[proud plover]

everything

[jade basalt]

So in theory any fiery stuff would do

[latent moss]

if ep was a buff and not a target debuff

[exotic kestrel]

that would be very cool

[jade basalt]

Wats ep

[thick kelp]

EP as a buff would be very big QoL anyway

[exotic kestrel]

but id imagine also pretty insane

[thick kelp]

Like you get so much more funnel

Mouseover execute irrelevant add and send juiced MS on boss

even after SS runs out

[jade basalt]

Dear long time arms main, what are your opinions about the thunderous roar

[latent moss]

tww changes or

[proud plover]

love it

[jade basalt]

The idea of spell itself

Cause i’m still not used to it

[thick kelp]

Fire and forget

[proud plover]

huge uncapped aoe bleed that ticks away when something runs

its great

[wicked aurora]

Press TC more

[thick kelp]

This is the real juice behind Troar

[exotic kestrel]

TR > Spear thats for sure

[jade basalt]

Do people generally like the bleed heavy design of arms?

[proud plover]

always had bleeds since day 1

[wicked aurora]

Like honestly I press TC a ton in keys now just as a reset for OP

[jade basalt]

Oh really, I liked the spear a lot

[wicked aurora]

I do

[jade basalt]

Fae one was weird

Interesting

[wicked aurora]

Spear is meh

Bring back banner

[exotic kestrel]

no

[proud plover]

no no no

[jade basalt]

Chad buff

[proud plover]

no

[jade basalt]

But not for arms

[proud plover]

no

[wicked aurora]

Nah man banner with glory was fun af

[jade basalt]

Prot with the banner was fun

[exotic kestrel]

Ancient aftershot > spear >>>>>>> banner

[wicked aurora]

Real

[proud plover]

i dont want to spend my days as pwar spending rage to maintain a buff for my homies

[jade basalt]

The one man band

[jade basalt]

Yeah this doesnt really sound like a warrior gameplay, i get it

[wicked aurora]

Banner dps warrior would have been giga fun if blizz didn’t nerf it before sepulcher dropped

[proud plover]

playing the banner 100% uptime mini game instead of actual focusing on stuff

[wicked aurora]

Uhhhh, it wasn’t for your homies

You used it for yourself

They didn’t benefit from the extensions

You did

[jade basalt]

Do we get to overcap rage this season a lot?

[proud plover]

no but you wanted to use the use of it to aline with their cooldowns

[exotic kestrel]

this season ? yes

[wicked aurora]

Banner was always 15(?) seconds for them no matter what

[proud plover]

and maintain forr yourself

[wicked aurora]

I never did

[jade basalt]

Ah so its normal, i thought i was doing something wrong

After following the prio and also pressing ignore pain

[wicked aurora]

I don’t think any prot warrior really did

[jade basalt]

I hope they remove its cd again

[wicked aurora]

And it wasn’t much of a mini game to focus on

[jade basalt]

Yeah

[wicked aurora]

You did the same thing you always did

Just spend rage and not overcap

[jade basalt]

The whole prot gameplay is dumping rage

And screaming

[proud plover]

you do that now!

[jade basalt]

[wicked aurora]

The only thing it did was incentivize chain pulling

[wicked aurora]

Yes so I’m not sure what your argument against banner is lol

It gave you more rage and a huge strength buff

[proud plover]

look at this - flawless

[jade basalt]

State of art

[wicked aurora]

The real reason they didn’t give us banner is because it’s going to go in the warriors 4th talent tree which is going to be Aug Warrior

[exotic kestrel]

Nah

[jade basalt]

lmao

[exotic kestrel]

pally first gets a 4th spec thats a mid range caster dps

Pally getting all the toys

[wicked aurora]

That’s just ret

[jade basalt]

I was hoping for that before the df rework

[proud plover]

ranged warrior heroic throw spam and shout bot?

[jade basalt]

Because at that rate they would be better to just copy shadow priest and make all purple stuff yellow

So that they can be at least ranged dps

[wicked aurora]

Honestly I hope they scrap Aug

Just make it a tank spec

[jade basalt]

Yeah

[proud plover]

haha pally caster spec - cant use plate anymorre!

[jade basalt]

I mean, I’m sick of their weirdly long lizard body type because I already have it for about 26 yrs

Release the buffed dragons

[somber lance]

Need the buffed ones like mini boss from RLP

No soy dragoons

[exotic kestrel]

I kinda want a true blademaster spec, 1 handed sword, no shield. fast agile type

[jade basalt]

imagine shield charging as them

[somber lance]

Blademaster was 2h tho

[proud plover]

so a rogue then?

[jade basalt]

lol

[somber lance]

The hero from wc3 is using 2h

[exotic kestrel]

lol

well yes

[jade basalt]

samuro and his illusion friends

[exotic kestrel]

but thats not exclusively what a "blademaster" is

i prolly shouldve used a different term tho yes

[jade basalt]

wow in general, we don't really have a real 1-hand class

its all dualwield somehow

[exotic kestrel]

history and fantasy is full of swordfighters using a 1 or 1.5hand weapon and relying on skill and speed more then brute force

[jade basalt]

yeah

when you realize that bow requires strength and swordfight is about agility...

[exotic kestrel]

i love how fantasy always paints archers as scrawny guys

[jade basalt]

exactly

[exotic kestrel]

good luck pulling 120+ pound bows all afternoon

[proud plover]

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-reface-jaja-meme-memes-gif-20196433

[jade basalt]

at least they arent human

[exotic kestrel]

archers were insanely strong

[jade basalt]

can be built different

[exotic kestrel]

wasnt it english longbowmen where they could tell by the bones in the forearm that they were archers?

[jade basalt]

yeah because using them literally changed their arms forever

so...ranged warrior

[proud plover]

is that why warriors have the greatest arrms...from all the bow los pulling while we were tanking in vanilla..

[exotic kestrel]

i started doing archery a couple months back, i pull like 34 pounds out of my bow, and thats already rough after an hour, as a reasonably fit gymgoing 27 year old man

[jade basalt]

(go away, guns)

though there were some smaller, bit short-ranged bows in asia

[exotic kestrel]

well yes, but any bow ment for war was high poundage

Because to do any sort of armor penetration u need a reasonably heavy arrow

[jade basalt]

So ranged warrior dps is cool concept but we already had it in D3

[exotic kestrel]

in fairness we need more specs using a bow/gun

theres 2 specs in the entire game that use ranged weapons

[proud plover]

demon hunter d3 style, dw 1h crossbows

[jade basalt]

also warglaives and agi daggers

them dropping is a waste in most of the times

[exotic kestrel]

Survival couldve bein so sick if it was hybrid ranged melee

like stance dance beteen the 2 or smthing

[jade basalt]

1h crossbow and a 1hand sword

man

[royal badge]

we got 5 ranged weps first week of raiding, for our 1 hunter 😄

[exotic kestrel]

nah just swap between double daggers and a bow

[jade basalt]

the word survival gives so much fantasy

and we have a bomber

[exotic kestrel]

yep

tbh i only ever play MM if i play hunter

[jade basalt]

based

like I mostly play arms only with warr

[exotic kestrel]

yep

i only played fury on tindral to survive easier

[jade basalt]

[soft fox]

SL s2 mm was so good

Kyrian in m+

Rapidfire went brrrr

[random ibex]

No shot my raid goes two weeks without a single warrior tier token drop?

[soft fox]

Last boss drops some 🙄

[random ibex]

I lost the roll on all 3

Now I gotta wait for reset to catalyze

[soft fox]

Just buy it

Bought my final piece for 100k

That evoker won 3 fucking tier pieces that run

[steady plover]

@proud plover i dreamt of you , phil ,and box became Valkyries .

[random ibex]

Seems like a waste of gold for one day. I already have the pieces for catalyst and I have a full vault as well

[soft fox]

Depends on how much gold you have i guess

[nova mortar]

Guys what is best bullion pick ? I don't have leggo

[stiff wedge]

Wait til you kill fyrak next week I think

[lost rose]

yo anyone got link that proves arms should get exec pi over hunters?

[stiff wedge]

Ring and weapon is Probly best purchase though

[astral yarrow]

Just sim your guy in patchwerk execute and have hunterman do the same

There is support in the apl for the raidbots PI toggle

[late nacelle]

my man James Reddington Spader lookin GOOOOD in the picture

[sturdy jewel]

I'm unsure where else to ask this. I'm still trying to get my.lego weapon. If I kill on hc, do I need to kill normal and raid finder too?

Something said higher difficulty rolls lower, but I'm unsure what that means

[sharp wyvern]

You don't have to run lower difficulties after killing fyrakk on HC

Neither lfr

[clever crag]

Guys

Bullion after lego is Diurna right ?