yeah, thats what im thinking too
#arms
wary needle
manic stirrup
i wouldny use dragon games
sometimes that shit just doesnt work
atleast it didnt in s1
i dont remember why but it just wouldnt kick the balls sometimes
novel hollow
Ur supposed to pick the ballsacks up
safe cedar
wary needle
im simming again
toxic hull
irideus for your mental health
wary needle
i have gotten so few upgrades this season
but im sitting on 1500 fucking shit trinketys
novel hollow
Dude
wary needle
does it affect the risk of getting a new one if you sell it? i mean - you don't get duplicates i think
novel hollow
I only have 489ember + 489might
wary needle
yeah, but i aint gotten any other pieces basically lmao
wary needle
yeah, i had to catalyst my two shittiest hero pieces + got the shitty ass trinkets
novel hollow
Which is bait
wary needle
which is basically all ive gotten
and ive done 10?12? 8+ dungeons
and raid last week
novel hollow
Im wondering what ill get in vault tbh
wary needle
where i got storm-boon lol
novel hollow
Cleared heroic and 10/8/4
novel hollow
Kinda harsh because i skipped last week
I logged on to do 1key of +2 and cleared normal voti at 3am
Right before reset lol
wary needle
lmao
novel hollow
Cuz im 1.9k
novel hollow
Next reset should be 2.8k atleast
Cuz ilvl gainz
M+ feels easier
Than s1
And s2
wary needle
yeah
novel hollow
Like, we were going in undergeared at like 487 and melting the bosses in 30-40sec
In a +2-4
I dont remember killing bosses in 30sec in a +12-14
Lol
wary needle
wow, the sim says madness and iridious fragments are the best on 5 patchwerk 5min
novel hollow
+10 felt like a +15
wary needle
by a significant marigin
novel hollow
Depending on the affix
wary needle
which made me sit at 780k or something
on 40 sec 5t its the same thing
and on single target its -1900, so seems like its the way to go
wicked aurora
arms owns
prime grotto
is arms sleeper OP this season or some shit
these guys have 15 ilvls on me
im only 470 wearing all s3 shit
wicked aurora
I mean arms is gonna do a lot of dam in BiS but I'm pretty sure that's not that crazy
thorn wolf
To answer your question, yeah it's pretty good. But also you just played better than them cuz you don't have any of the new stuff yet
Getting the new tier and some ilvl is where it really starts blasting
prime grotto
getting the new stuff will make me play worse? lmfao
wicked aurora
no
he's saying you're not blasting, or more accurately the spec at that ilvl
you just played decently and they played poorly
thorn wolf
I'm saying in your scenario you played better than them. But also yes arms is good with the new stuff
prime grotto
gotcha okay okay
i noticed this earlier when i was in an amirdrassil group for the leggo and i was keeping pace w 490 people
wicked aurora
average pug isn't that great
prime grotto
i couldnt tell if i was playing w shitters or if arms is busted
pearl solstice
Hi,one question,do i have to wait for 2 overpower stacks to use cleave,or i just send it on cd?
prime grotto
wait what does dragon roar not having conditionals mean
wicked aurora
it means press it on CD
prime grotto
is it not affected by mastery, CS, etc?
wicked aurora
and that post is specifically in regards to multi target
wicked aurora
is it not affected by mastery, CS, etc?
you don't care about the initial damage, you care about the DoT which will still get buffed as you do things
prime grotto
oh so it's not worth making sure my debuffs are applied before popping d roar
interesting, i always thought that bleed would like "snapshot" stats, buffs/debuffs
wicked aurora
as per the post, only thing you do before it is rend
prime grotto
wild
wicked aurora
I'm not even sure if feral still has it
smoky kayak
is arms sleeper OP this season or some shit
nothing sleeper about it lol
prime grotto
misinformation in my online game??
wicked aurora
they were the only ones who did have it
prime grotto
they were the only ones who did have it
damn okay
i been doing it all wrong this whole time
wicked aurora
since you're here and we're talking about the multitarget update, does the new cleave behavior mean at 5 target with SS it's just OP/WW/TC until 2 stacks of martial prowess? Or are we still mortal striking up to 5 targets?
I assume former but just want to double check
prime grotto
i understood it as if SS is up then youre basically doing your ST rotation up to 4 targets
no SS means moar cleaves
i also thought arms still had snapshotting so idk how much my opinion is worth
wicked aurora
i understood it as if SS is up then youre basically doing your ST rotation up to...
sorry I should have said 5 not 4
but it was up to 5 you'd MS
was*
wicked aurora
WW is a higher prio
prime grotto
gotcha
wicked aurora
does most of your rage dumping
prime grotto
so it's if you literally have absolutely literally nothing else to press then you slam
wicked aurora
slam is practically the last button you press rn
prime grotto
okay cool im still doing that right
last question, does this damage breakdown look ab what it should? ik my bladestorm is a lil low bc i forgot to put it on my bars when i changed my talents and didnt notice for like 2 pulls lmfao
my TC damage is prob high since im still in s3 4 piece
spare dew
Back this season after a break, is Arms gaming again in keys?
prime grotto
ive been blasting
finishing 150k+ in dungeons w shitty pull optimization and timing in full s3 gear
undone ibex
i need help... i need weakauras that track overpower and execute "stacks"
prime grotto
you running elvui by chance?
undone ibex
sorry no
prime grotto
ah damn, elvui tracks that for me. it honestly probably wouldnt be hard to find one
boreal quartz
i need help... i need weakauras that track overpower and execute "stacks"
you only need to track EP really
MP is a tad excessive to check for
boreal quartz
we do in aoe
prime grotto
in aoe
boreal quartz
im tracking it, but thats cuz of S3 and i cba remove it
undone ibex
op addon worked... showed number of stacks... 🙂
boreal quartz
of the 2 id prio to track EP
somber lance
i've got an all in 1 WA with core rotation abilities and stacks of MP and EP and fatality etc
undone ibex
name?
novel hollow
Gimme dat
Actually if i do get mythic box on vault im deleting the game
If i dont get it ill continue on playing
Remember my words
novel hollow
these guys have 15 ilvls on me
I was doing 320k no aug 1.5min kill at 503ilvl
Beating ppl that were 515
ST is giga
boreal quartz
only 320 
give it fullgear and that killtime sees 400 from arm
tho tbf 90 secs stinks hard
novel hollow
Ye i use aoe trinks too
boreal quartz
2 mins tho
boreal quartz
Ye i use aoe trinks too
im not even sure what the best for turbofuck HC slamming is - prolly box and augury or smth
novel hollow
I use ember and might
489
Only trink i got was the whelpling shit
From 10 rlp
Giga shit
I took hero tier instead of normal anvil from vault
Should see big dam in a couple weeks when i do get the eranog ring + shadowflame boots crafted
somber lance
cata should pull ahead of augury no? on hc fucks
im prolling getting ring next bullion then cata
frigid lava
what's cata
gleaming cosmos
Signet brand
wicked aurora
brown class fuck good
naive sage
Yesterday did 415k in ruby 11++ with bladestorm AND juggernaut-less build
I put the juggernaut point into 2/2 Bloodborne
proud plover
what did ya spend the points on
naive sage
It was nice
I thought that in pug (which means almost no chain pulling) and especially in some instances like ruby, NO etc it becomes really hard to keep stacks up
proud plover
like that?
naive sage
And Bloodborne carries ur aoe
slow saddle
It is juggy is for st
naive sage
like that?
Precisely but with ignore pain
proud plover
i might play that next week
naive sage
It is juggy is for st
I did not lose that much dps, I never did less than 210k
wicked aurora
not sure why you'd play that
slow saddle
Ruby has aoe bosses
slow saddle
So mby not a bad idea in there
Id wish juggy was like 5 stacks
At a higher value per stack
proud plover
yeah that would be awesome
slow saddle
Make it way more versatile
proud plover
5% per
naive sage
There are the big add before 1st boss and the storm drake, I did not fall behind in single target there (tank took them by themselves and not with other mobs except the lil fire elementals)
slow saddle
I was thinkin 3% but ok🤣
proud plover
its 3% now
slow saddle
Its 3% to 15?
proud plover
yep
naive sage
Its 3% to 15?
Total 45%
slow saddle
So it 45% at 15 stakcs?
proud plover
yes
slow saddle
Hmm sheeit
white canopy
Anyone have any thumb of rule as to how many stuns is too many for when to take shockwave and when too not in pugs? I feel like when I dont pick it the cc lacks
slow saddle
Buff basiline execute, make it 5% for 5 times?
wicked aurora
I'm not sure that 7.5% more bleed damage and 2% more crit would compensate for loss of bladestorm, 1% vers and hurricane
slow saddle
Less value talent but easier to stack?
proud plover
5% per cast, stack to 8
naive sage
I'm not sure that 7.5% more bleed damage and 2% more crit would compensate for l...
Hurricane is the only reason you take bladestorm anyways
proud plover
overall nerf, buff to actual damage cause stack faster
frigid flume
Why does sim choose Cleave over MS with SS up on only 3 targets?
wicked aurora
Hurricane is the only reason you take bladestorm anyways
yes, 30k dps overall in my key is worthless outside of Hurricane
slow saddle
5% per cast, stack to 8
Also fine what ever makes it faster to stack in m+
wicked aurora
proud plover
rage changes for tww are more about spending rrage than having a flood of it
naive sage
yes, 30k dps overall in my key is worthless outside of Hurricane
30k dps is like 7.5% of a good overall dps key so I’m not impressed at all considering you’re bound to do nothing for 5.5 seconds and you clutter your rotation even more but everyone plays as they like I guess
Ah bladestorm is good for roots too to be honest
slow saddle
rage changes for tww are more about spending rrage than having a flood of it
Yes but lessens value of huggernaut
wicked aurora
30k dps is like 7.5% of a good overall dps key so I’m not impressed at all consi...
and would one point in BB and 2 points in the crit node make up for that 7% plus the loss from whatever Hurricane is bringing?
I doubt
proud plover
increases the value of SD, reduces the way we prio rage spend in cs for tom in favour of st or aoe options
naive sage
Also the average bs damage for me is like 6%
proud plover
imagine spending rage based on damage dealt to however many targets vs the shit storm now of cdr+tom buff regardless
we know whats better but it doesnt feel better to press aoe button in pure st solely based on rage spent
wicked aurora
Also the average bs damage for me is like 6%
seems pretty worth it, number should be higher as well but bolstering one shots gonna one shot
side note
holy shit
almost a mil on a MS
naive sage
seems pretty worth it, number should be higher as well but bolstering one shots ...
Quick maths you would have gained around 15k damage from that single 7.5% bleed increase only. Raw numbers apart, your cleave (sustained damage) and execute (prio damage) would be substantially higher and for the latter, your ms damage would increase greatly because execute is cast more often and it means more EP stacks. This becomes even more important if you use juggernaut which I didn’t for reasons that I explained in a previous message. But in the end my point is, I’m not saying you shouldn’t use bladestorm, but rather, you pump a lot without it too and Bloodborne is really worth
wicked aurora
not sure how your cleave and execute would be substantially higher
the points you chose don't really affect cleave
naive sage
not sure how your cleave and execute would be substantially higher
Execute spamming is the point of this build which is focused on prio damage especially if you take juggernaut. About cleave, you just cast it more often lol
wicked aurora
Execute is just a vehicle for MS casts this season
Honestly if they keep up with the crests thing moving forward, they just need to drop flightstones as a currency.....
this is so annoying lmao
done probably 15 dungeons this week and I'm still scrounging for flightstones despite having the crests...
proud plover
weekly, rep quests, world quests all drop flightstones
novel hollow
done probably 15 dungeons this week and I'm still scrounging for flightstones de...
Do loremaster
steep osprey
@wicked aurora
novel hollow
I did 700 quests in a weekend
For stones
Ahh ye rares drop shit too
Do lfr, normal, hc raid
wicked aurora
Do other things
currently planting seeds for passive flightstones
proud plover
run low keys with people that get io and you get bonus stoneees
steep osprey
Take emerald dream weekly quest too
proud plover
they are so fucking easy to grind
steep osprey
I do think they need to increase the amount gained from m+
wicked aurora
Take emerald dream weekly quest too
already ahead of you 🙂
proud plover
nah leave that as is just allow us to buy them with crests we dont use atm like whelp and drrake crests
novel hollow
I did loremaster in a single sitting basically
For flightstones
Then cleared normal, lfr and heroic aberrus
Then ran 20keys
Now i dont need to do anything until next week
wicked aurora
so
do 5 or so hours of content outside of the about 16 hours of keys you already did?
novel hollow
Think it was over 700quests that i did lmao
But i was mainly cranking out reputation
Passivelly getting stones
steep osprey
nah leave that as is just allow us to buy them with crests we dont use atm like ...
that's a good idea tbh
wicked aurora
I honestly just wish they'd not put a cap on flightstones
proud plover
that too
wicked aurora
can't do anything with them without crests anyways
who cares if someone wants to farm 7000 flightstones week one
they're still timegated lol
terse plume
at least give us enough to reasonably use most of our crests for the week, I Feel like I have to refill the flightstones 2 to 3 times to get full value, so just make the cape like 4-5k and it will feel alot better
delicate mulch
uncut shard
Depends
uncut shard
No
latent hull
Well people said i should use cleave at 2 stacks
uncut shard
It depends on the amount of targets as well as whether sweeping strikes is up
latent hull
Well yea sweeping strikes
Lets say u have all cds
Charge troar avatar bladestorm
Warbreaker forgot to put there
grand idol
Fish a cleave for 4 pc. Crit or not -> aoe
latent hull
And after bladestorm do i use ss with 2 overpowers or
grand idol
(in aoe its almost 100% it will crit at leastonce)
proud plover
And after bladestorm do i use ss with 2 overpowers or
charge > tclap > avatar+roar > cleave > wb > bs > cleave > ss > opx2 > cleave
latent hull
Oke thx
uncut shard
thats not what most people do
latent hull
Well there was a sim yday to use roar first
uncut shard
most people charge tclap avatar + roar then bladestorm and then use wb cleave and continue
quasi torrent
@uncut shard meow
latent hull
Cleave is better
To use
B4 bladestorm
For 4p
Gives u likr 10% more dmg in total
proud plover
wb > bstorm or bstorem > wb - just makes either bstorm pump or the cleave/op after pump
uncut shard
Yeh
proud plover
reegardless of what way you do it you get hurricane full value inside wb
always cleave/ms before it if you have 4pc tho
latent hull
charge > tclap > avatar+roar > cleave > wb > bs > cleave > ss > opx2 > cleave
I think this is prob the best itteration
storm lark
With new thing that we op twice before cleave i often run out of things to press. Is it just me?
proud plover
I think this is prob the best itteration
this is on the 3 packs together in aa before vexamus - charge > tc > ww (to get leggo dot on everything) > leggo > avatar+roar > cleave (activates tier) > wb > bs > cleave > ss > opx2 > cleave > ww (running deswinds fob build for a free slam also / resets op) > opx2 > cleave - finished the pull at over 1 mill dps
proud plover
With new thing that we op twice before cleave i often run out of things to press...
ww/tc both reset op, you need to keep tc for rend anyway - cleave > opx2 + something > cleave - its roughly every 20 secs it feels clunky for 1 global and then pefect again
elfin sage
during sweeping strikes do you prefer MS over Cleave in multi target?
proud plover
during sweeping strikes do you prefer MS over Cleave in multi target?
ms for prio damage or cleave for aoe pad, depends on the pull tbh
quick cedar
which AA buff should we take?
proud plover
both ms and cleave inteact with tier in the same way
proud plover
which AA buff should we take?
crit is a safe bet because it helps 4pc, but there isnt no reeeal single choice cause it depends on the rrest of your stats and what type of damage you want to do and key level (high keys love vers)
quick cedar
okok
elfin sage
ms for prio damage or cleave for aoe pad, depends on the pull tbh
ok thanks but only with sweeping strikes on yes?
quick cedar
I was thinking crit for tree then changing on the run around to vex into vers
rare kite
which AA buff should we take?
haste or vers
proud plover
ok thanks but only with sweeping strikes on yes?
you send ss at 2t or more
subtle gust
arms rotation is hard lol
proud plover
nope not hard at all, working out what type of damage profile you arre doing is the hard part
rare kite
compared to fury yeah it is, overall i don't think it's that hard but i'm biased
elfin sage
you send ss at 2t or more
So ss is something that I dont need to play around and just insert in my aoe rotation at 2+ targets?
proud plover
So ss is something that I dont need to play around and just insert in my aoe rot...
exactly
elfin sage
And basically overpower and occasional ms will benefit from that right?
proud plover
op+dn makes it hit twice so as soon as there is 2t you gain benefit from it
inner rock
which AA buff should we take?
I've tried the mastery buff and the dmg increase for DW slaps
rare kite
So ss is something that I dont need to play around and just insert in my aoe rot...
ye just press it at 2+ targets, then there are target counts where you want to press different abilities. with ss 1-4 ms, 5+ cleave. ofcourse if there's a prio target you should press ms anyway
elfin sage
op+dn makes it hit twice so as soon as there is 2t you gain benefit from it
what do you mean with "dn"?
quick cedar
is there a apl to sim it?
proud plover
dreadnaught talent
elfin sage
dreadnaught talent
thanks 🙂
inner rock
is there a apl to sim it?
No clue, ive just taken mastery cause im on 20% returns on haste and 10% on crit so its either vers or mast for me
rare kite
No clue, ive just taken mastery cause im on 20% returns on haste and 10% on crit...
the buff is flat%
proud plover
No clue, ive just taken mastery cause im on 20% returns on haste and 10% on crit...
aa buff doesnt DR
rare kite
the dr doesn't matter
inner rock
Oh damn, didnt know that
rare kite
that's why AA buff is so insane, like as arms you usually have 40%+ haste and you just getting the extra haste with no dr is really really good
inner rock
i was doing 750k overall on that key with the mast buff, migthve been higher with haste, hmm
rare kite
i was doing 750k overall on that key with the mast buff, migthve been higher wit...
prob, also mastery buff is just objectively worse than vers in anyway for arms
inner rock
prob, also mastery buff is just objectively worse than vers in anyway for arms
Probably, i was just thinking that extra % of dmg increase on that many targets was good
proud plover
yeah lol 5% damage all the time + to all trinket/fire ring/leggo v 5% damage only when deep wounds running
inner rock
Makes sense now that you mention it
rare kite
Probably, i was just thinking that extra % of dmg increase on that many targets ...
well the extra 5% is the same 5% vers gives except vers affects things that aren't just your abilities
and give you 2.5% damage reduction
inner rock
Fair enough, im just dumdum then😂
jolly spoke
do we macro roar and avatar together? or we dont macro avatar to anything and just press it manually
proud plover
do we macro roar and avatar together? or we dont macro avatar to anything and ju...
you can for those times you pre roar (i do this) but its best to have it manually - downside is when running uproar (1m roar) it desyncs and holding avatar is a no no
jolly spoke
so we dont hold roar for avatar we just use CDs on CD
rare kite
ofc you use on cd, why else would you have picked the cdr talent?
proud plover
yep - avatar lasts 20 secs, roar dot is 16 secs - hurricane is 6 secs, wb 10 - line them up when they do, dont hold them for any amount of length if they dont
rare kite
and if you didn't pick the cdr talent it always alligns with avatar anyway
proud plover
spiteful tww dream, personal perma pi!
proud plover
well if brown guy keeps pumping the dps the way it is maybe we can get in based on just that
elfin sage
ye just press it at 2+ targets, then there are target counts where you want to p...
ty, makes sense
frigid lava
where do brown ppl rank in dps this season
proud plover
rank in meta lists or actual performance in keys?
analog patrol
what trinket are people getting for arms m+ with next bullion? I assume we still play pbox as 1 trinket
cyan lagoon
Warlock is not top of the chart, that's a fake chart
proud plover
what trinket are people getting for arms m+ with next bullion? I assume we still...
icon+oce are your bis if everyone else is using them, pb is great but 3m kinda sux - signet brrand if you can keep max stacks cause it melts bosses
frigid lava
proud plover
anvil also good but kinda needs ms prio target build cause cleave doesnt proc it, same uptime issues as brand
^^ take both those lists with a grain of salt, wont see actual numbers until like week 4-6 with bis trinkets
wary needle
does anyone have experience of hte luxor WA just blatantly making all the icons not load on the WA?
despite the bar etc loading, ive double checked conditions and load options but it doesnt make sense
it doesnt even load them while im browsing the WA
proud plover
does anyone have experience of hte luxor WA just blatantly making all the icons ...
no, whats teh issue - he has his own discord and looks at bugs and fixes shit pretty fast
wary needle
it doesnt generate any icons
but the cast bars work
so i assume its something about the warrior skills themselves
proud plover
had an update 2 days ago - you using version 10.2.2-91?
wary needle
it did work earlier, but then it stopped working after i went into a new dungeon
going to update the WA addon
slow saddle
@wind flicker i appreciate the video
elfin sage
My WeakAura (Arms by Khakhan) sometimes shows whirlwind over op in st scenarious. Wondering if that is correct?
slow saddle
did u press CS before?
elfin sage
maybe 😄
proud plover
it will also want to send ww to reset op before it wants to send slam
elfin sage
the wa actually shows ww above op if i have more than 50% rage
elfin sage
if u have TOM chosen as talent
ye i have test of might, but i didnt use collosus smash before
slow saddle
well i do not like wa's that tells u what to press
ngl
as
ww above op is ok, unless theres less than 9 sedonds to next cs window
proud plover
sounds like their apl might need an update
slow saddle
if not u misalign ww with cs
and thats annoying
also we dont slam we TC these dayts
proud plover
I assume it's gonna be hard to get into hc with 487 ilvl?
in a pug yes
elfin sage
if not u misalign ww with cs
ah damnit i thought cs is slam xD I actually meant I never use slam, and what is cs then?
slow saddle
Collosus smash =?
slow saddle
[Colossus Smash]
dusty venture
I assume it's gonna be hard to get into hc with 487 ilvl?
dont even think youd get invited to a non awakened hc vault never mind the higher ilvl ones new season people just want current ilvl
make own group/rely on guild a choice?
elfin sage
ye sorry m+ should have mentioned that mb
steep osprey
dont even think youd get invited to a non awakened hc vault never mind the highe...
true, I'll just spam m+ for now
until i get about 500
dusty venture
low keys are really easy for sure
great environment to learn arms too if you're new like i am
dusty venture
since this is week 2 you can get like 515? on most slots with the current crest cap right
oh rogue
cant remember the last time i even saw a rogue apply for a key never mind inviting one maybe thats whats happening to you, they just dont know if a rogue is worth it
steep osprey
owns
steep osprey
They can, everyone's saying get grieftorch first
dusty venture
I had it season 1 and got it again season 2 sadly only on normal not heroic so its capped 515
season 4*
steep osprey
thorncaller is mainly for raid st
i don't really raid much
i'll just do weekly hc and that's about it
steep osprey
cant remember the last time i even saw a rogue apply for a key never mind inviti...
I'm not having issues with invites to 2+ keys lol
dusty venture
lucky
NA? on eu at that ilvl its hard to get invited to keys at nearly 500 never mind below 490
rare kite
ww above op is ok, unless theres less than 9 sedonds to next cs window
this has been removed from the apl, such an extremely small gain it's not even worth it
steep osprey
lucky
NA? on eu at that ilvl its hard to get invited to keys at nearly 500 never...
Depends on the key and the level
random ibex
thoughts on cleave without having S4 Tier yet?
rare kite
not worth it
random ibex
so whats the mythic+ build look like? I lost my last season one 😦
rare kite
so whats the mythic+ build look like? I lost my last season one 😦
when you get tier just remove 1 point bloodborne and put it into cleave
steep osprey
lucky
NA? on eu at that ilvl its hard to get invited to keys at nearly 500 never...
Well, I was wrong, I'm not getting invited to a +2 so far
even tho i'll probably beat 500 people
random ibex
whats your IO?
steep osprey
my main is about 1900
random ibex
whats your warrior
random ibex
i got 2500 last night, and I get declined to 8s because i cant get a certain item that everyone wants
cough tome in AV cough
random ibex
id just use my own key
wary raft
how many people are doing 2s ffs
It’s nearly impossible to find a tank for anything below like 6 or 7
steep osprey
random ibex
in my experience its healers after 7
inner rock
Puzzle box any good for arms?
latent hull
Yes
frigid lava
you get like 30% dmg boost
hybrid sinew
i did sims on my guy and puzzle box was pretty much BiS i think
gentle charm
so guys how impactful is bladesotrm in our m+ profile
wind flicker
Its pretty impactful since it gives us access to Hurricane, which buffs us up a lot
frigid lava
I don't like BS... but it's what we have.
latent hull
How do u not like bs
inner rock
we get 30% str, its giga
frigid lava
bs dmg itself isn't great... that's all
but it boosts other things so there is that.
wind flicker
If you factor in that it applies deep wounds to everything and gives us hurricane, its not that bad
frigid lava
I mean it is good... everyone should take it.
proud plover
and the brrown man beats 2x pink men that have better gear! i was kinda expecting to get smashed
somber lance
this is a recurring pattern
ive been beating ppl 10 ilvl higher as well
either in raid or keys
either shitters or arms really fucks big
halcyon breach
The majority of pala players in my personal experience tend to just be ass at the game
proud plover
jugg no cleave no bs build as well
halcyon breach
Did an Algethar on my hunter earlier, and saw a paladin, with the lego, who bought the Eranog ring with Bullions
So I'm fairly certain the pink population mostly lack brain
latent hull
War against the pink
gaunt owl
he was stupid enough to spend it after seeing the lego upgrade was bugged
impatient and stupid
slow saddle
same, i mean its still weawpon
sacred zodiac
Did an Algethar on my hunter earlier, and saw a paladin, with the lego, who boug...
lmao
muted drift
anyone got 4 set WA?
frigid lava
u mean crit/dmg boost?
muted drift
i got 50% crit with flask so should be up almost 100%
sacred zodiac
dont wanna be pedantic but a weakaura that just tracks a buff is one of the easier to make yourself
astral yarrow
the template function WA has is so fucking good
naive sage
he was stupid enough to spend it after seeing the lego upgrade was bugged
I could understand spending the crests on other stuff (like I did kek) but I mean… how can you be so dumb not to know how this season works and how precious the bullions are…
90% of all people’s problems exist because they can’t read
buoyant axle
either shitters or arms really fucks big
arms 
thick cairn
and the brrown man beats 2x pink men that have better gear! i was kinda expectin...
ye with the massive ret base atm you come across bad rets more than good, i've done 16 keys with rets, mixed ilvl and only 2 beat me, 1 of them because of a scuffed massive pull where i died sadge :c the majority of my keys being played as fury not arms actually
frigid lava
Did they get nerfed or something
rare kite
who? rets? they did not
uncut shard
dont wanna be pedantic but a weakaura that just tracks a buff is one of the easi...
Hosen?
uncut shard
damn i just joined +10... and two arms warrior
Not running 5 warrior keys
Smh
@quasi torrent @daring heron @sacred zodiac @idle crater 5 warrior keys tonight?
daring heron
playing with teamge
quasi torrent
<@173741974493462528> <@235809563490779136> <@164800371057754112> <@261192104821...
heroic -> myth alt raid tonoit
regal quiver
do i use avatar before or after bladestorm?
uncut shard
Yes
quasi torrent
maybe come to raid tophifee-blackhand?
olive nest
what if stream demands 5 warrior key
frigid lava
it was weird.. the other warrior asked me for the loot
but he had blocked me. so I couldn't trade
so i passed it onto the tank then he traded it to the warrior.
felt dirty
fucker didn't even want to communicate but asked for the loot
signal marsh
Are you guys running the 2x bladestorm build in everything this week? Im feeling like some grps im in i would have done alot better with a juggernaut build cause bolster
rare kite
Are you guys running the 2x bladestorm build in everything this week? Im feeling...
most people are running the 1 bs build
signal marsh
most people are running the 1 bs build
Hm, most ive seen do BS+bonegrinder and blademaster
I like that build aswell but in anything higher than 10 with a pug i feel like im missing out not going juggernaut
rare kite
I don't think jugg is that good
opaque citrus
Hm, most ive seen do BS+bonegrinder and blademaster
I’ve seen that as well but I haven’t noticed significant performance increase from it
rare kite
Hm, most ive seen do BS+bonegrinder and blademaster
it's for the meme overalls, sacrifice alot of st by playing that
signal marsh
it's for the meme overalls, sacrifice alot of st by playing that
ye some packs feels good but bossdmg is depressing if its not a cleave fight, in wich a jugger build would be better either way
olive nest
ye some packs feels good but bossdmg is depressing if its not a cleave fight, in...
if you play the hybrid build you get the best of both worlds
hyrbid build with 1 minute roar you have aoe for every pack and strong ST with warlords avatar
frigid lava
what's hybrid build
rare kite
the 1 bladestorm build
frigid lava
u have more than 1 bladestorm?
rare kite
you can have avatar cast bladestorm
frigid lava
ah yea
dire kindle
what build is sexxing right now
halcyon breach
Hybrid
sage badge
Arms owns
astral yarrow
runic urchin
makes me rly sad as a fury enjoyer how fuckin strong arms is this season bros
sharp tendon
that puzzelbox tricket is fucking anoying to use
slow saddle
Fury is strong as fuck in keys as well
bleak fog
Ôô
astral yarrow
that puzzelbox tricket is fucking anoying to use
its 30 seconds uptime. You can precast it so early
sharp tendon
the one melee that is strong atm retri pala easy as bm hunter and top dmg
uncut shard
Xdddd
gray steeple
It really is terrible ATM
gray steeple
Should be Arms=Fury >>> ret so play w/e you want
old urchin
makes me rly sad as a fury enjoyer how fuckin strong arms is this season bros
Hey man let us have a season. They’re blasting us down in TWW so far so you’ll be back on too soon.
somber lance
looks like top m+ players are doing fine as fury?
keeping up on dmge etc
but its worse than arms
did you guys craft wrists first? or torc?
proud plover
Hey man let us have a season. They’re blasting us down in TWW so far so you’ll b...
wherre are we geetting blasted down in tww?
old urchin
Just going based off what some YouTubers have said. They’re making some not great changes with talents that are nerfs. I could just be reading into the hype as that’s what those guys do so they can get views
idle crater
maybe come to raid tophifee-blackhand?
Why asking to cringe?
old urchin
Bajheera was one of them
old urchin
did you guys craft wrists first? or torc?
I went wrists first for a bit more vers since I’ve been doing mostly keys and I zug and stand in stupid so I figured a bit more vers would be good
gray steeple
Just going based off what some YouTubers have said. They’re making some not grea...
That first sentence alone should indicate a hearty amount of doubt is needed.
old urchin
Hell yeah. I hope things stay about even so I can continue to play Arms. My guild will make me switch back to fury if it’s like it was S3
proud plover
Just going based off what some YouTubers have said. They’re making some not grea...
this one form 2 weeks ago?
regal quiver
aparently i only had 10k dps above the fury warrior in my group
i guess i just suck at this class lol
old urchin
Haha probably. I don’t usually watch Bajheera my friend group just mentioned it to me about the “changes.” Only follow two warriors really and that’s Critcake for PvE and Laros for PvP
proud plover
only watching it to see what he thinks tbh, see if its bad hype for views or legit concerns
shadow ibex
Just complaining about genning less rage really
zealous rampart
Hell yeah. I hope things stay about even so I can continue to play Arms. My guil...
top 50 guild or smt?
shadow ibex
Our talent trees are cursed tho
old urchin
top 50 guild or smt?
No not hardly. But they are a consistently CE guild and they do expect everyone to play to their highest level.
modern cove
About the rage issue. In pve you generate like 200 rage and use like 100 lol. Its like rage doesnt matter outside execution. I think the changes are for a better feeling in rotation (you will actually use rage).
zealous rampart
No not hardly. But they are a consistently CE guild and they do expect everyone ...
I mean plenty of people got CE when warrior specs at some point competet with prot paladin damage in shadowlands
Kinda toxic trait of a guild ngl
shadow ibex
He is a pvper and the experience of arms in pve and pvp couldn't be more different
It's hard to explain having too much rage there
zealous rampart
About the rage issue. In pve you generate like 200 rage and use like 100 lol. It...
yeah but with same numbers, if we experience rage draught next expansion you will defn
feel it
no need to mention AM is considerable getting nerfed too, arms losing a lot m+ value
shadow ibex
They just overreacted imo. Nerfing all things related to rage seemed very kneejerk
zealous rampart
theen you get wft value
yeah but they are not always avaliable, and in dungeons they dont drop WFt in aoe
modern cove
I guess the initial iteration of the fix needs some balancing. But i pray the released version will feel better.
shadow ibex
And yea will just make the difference between wft and no wft huge
zealous rampart
the issue wasnt with rage gen it was wee couldnt spend it
yeah, they instead nerfing rage regen rather than adding more ways to spend rage
proud plover
they arre making rage spend the same acoss the board
shadow ibex
We def genned a lot.
zealous rampart
yeah
shadow ibex
We lost reck on cs
proud plover
spenders will be based on damage and not rage spent
modern cove
Dont you guys agree its two ways of solving the same issue? Less rage will be the same result of use more rage
zealous rampart
but people underestimating how much rage regen gutted compared to now
nova mortar
is legendary drop rate increased or any new thingsa about that in s4? i wanna play warrior but without legendary its not that good i guess
zealous rampart
Dont you guys agree its two ways of solving the same issue? Less rage will be th...
If they tune around it, yes nothing changed
proud plover
is legendary drop rate increased or any new thingsa about that in s4? i wanna pl...
no
shadow ibex
Nerfing AM gonna affect the CS/tom overlap
zealous rampart
but AM is getting nerfed
shadow ibex
Yea
zealous rampart
and your mortal strike will be 30 rage, but rage will be more valuable
shadow ibex
Spiteful for perma PI with no buttons to press
proud plover
still decent dps without lego?
yeeah buy ashkandi off vendorr and make it 525
zealous rampart
still decent dps without lego?
I played all s3 but last week without legendary, for raid you cannot compete with leggo havers
in m+ your dps is good, but you definitely slap ppl with leggo
primal rover
Hey guys general question about aoe. Do I want to always use cleave with 2 stacks of martial prowess or could I weave in op - cleave - op - cleave based on resets?
Say I’m in a scenario with no op stacks and 1 prowess, cleave ready to use. Do I fish for a tactician proc with tclap or do I just send the 1 stacker?
cold vigil
got question about pvp arms. so sharpen blade says next MS will reduce healing by 50%, but MS already does that. does it reduce 100%?
primal rover
got question about pvp arms. so sharpen blade says next MS will reduce healing b...
50% + 50% of 50%
So 75%
frigid lava
Hey guys general question about aoe. Do I want to always use cleave with 2 stack...
if u go opx2 to cleave... then there is a good chance u won't have op available after.
cold vigil
50% + 50% of 50%
they've written it poorly then. it should say "and will reduce healing by an aditional 25%" or "MS healing reduced is increased by 50% of base value"
cold vigil
if u go opx2 to cleave... then there is a good chance u won't have op available ...
yeah i think just use cleave and MS on reset
keep it on cd
lucid lotus
When do we use MS on aoe? 2 targets? Or never?
livid cloak
alpine burrow
When do we use MS on aoe? 2 targets? Or never?
Less than 5 targets :))
Thats if you have sweeping strikes up
frigid lava
MS does about x3 damage in ST compared to cleave
rare kite
Also use if there's a prio target. Good example is the miniboss in rlp
frigid lava
esp. this week, bolstering
steep osprey
DN climbing
cold vigil
When do we use MS on aoe? 2 targets? Or never?
with sweeping strikes
proud plover
thing is ms is doing 600-900k to a prio target
steep osprey
MS is insane prio target tbh
cold vigil
DN climbing
dreadnaught is just fun and dumb haha
steep osprey
Arms is so fun since I started min maxxing DN
opaque citrus
nishwarriorgodx
frigid lava
Just slapping on multitarget spar
thorn wolf
nishwarriorgodx
Show me ur DPS breakdown I wanna see how you do it
proud plover
press button > dps go up
charred brook
i dont get how you guys are having cleave as your top damage
ive been trying the new build from last night dan
and it was in a nelth
frigid lava
training dummy
proud plover
i went back to jugg cause prio damage is my thing
pure wren
How many targets before you prioritize Cleave?
charred brook
proud plover
charred brook
This was my breakdown over a nelth 5
frigid lava
minimum 4 targets
opaque citrus
How many targets before you prioritize Cleave?
5t with ss up, 3t without
frigid lava
ideally more than 5 targets
charred brook
so not high key and most packs like 4-5 targets
opaque citrus
debatable on using it period if theres a prio target
proud plover
fuck cleeavee imo
pure wren
SS works with Cleave?
opaque citrus
other than applying wounjds
opaque citrus
SS works with Cleave?
no
but if you have SS up you MS on higher target count (up to 4)
pure wren
Oh, okay. That's what I thought. Read that funny.
Been speccing out of double Bladestorm and running cleave.
proud plover
Are you guys going double BSL?
yep nect week replacing lariet with it on neck then grabbing absorb ring from vendor the week after
reef glade
wow leech!
proud plover
vers > leeech
opaque citrus
leech irrelevant lmao
reef glade
enchanted with leech!
steep osprey
enchanted with leech!
opaque citrus
the only tert that matters is speed
reef glade
get some avoid on that shit NOW
opaque citrus
because speed. is. life.
frigid lava
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/91325418677743616/593379495981875220/gh...
lol
reef glade
pure wren
I miss the 3/5% speed gems. :(
steep osprey
next week
frigid lava
I crafted wrist yesterday
charred brook
bro i need some gloves desperately
opaque citrus
I miss the 3/5% speed gems. :(
my monk in s2 was in absolute full bis with 20% speed
what a time to be alive
charred brook
steep osprey
vers > leeech
and i'll buy Diurna's seal next time I can
reef glade
and a 486 bsl cape
charred brook
im FIENDING for new gloves
pure wren
I had like 114-118% movement speed from Sanctum of Domination and on, pretty much.
reef glade
but thats fixed on tuesday
wild plover
The rotation changes from yesterday are not in the wowhead guide yet, right?
opaque citrus
I had like 114-118% movement speed from Sanctum of Domination and on, pretty muc...
iirc my speed got to the point of DRing hard so i even had avoid enchants on
pure wren
110% right now with new set, since a bunch of old pieces had tertiaries.
opaque citrus
since a speed enchant was like barely 1%
pure wren
Got up to 123%. lol
finite ginkgo
Dumb question, does ss increase out st dmg because of dreadnaught?
proud plover
if it hits a second target yes
steep osprey
we're buying diruna ring nedxt right
frigid lava
Tuesday can't soon enough... wow boring :0
gray steeple
we're buying diruna ring nedxt right
Yes
frigid lava
we're buying diruna ring nedxt right
lel
opaque citrus
diurna ring =/= diurna's chosen
that is the eranog ring
diurna ring is seal of filial duty
frigid lava
oh
opaque citrus
im not even just necessarily correcting you btw
proud plover
the absord shield on it is insane
opaque citrus
i dont even know which one he was talking about
also sadly my warr has not been lucky with terts yet this season
trim arrow
i usually dont get lucky
last season was an outlier and got leech for myth chest on 3 chars
winged creek
fickle nexus
About when are you able to do 400-500k dps? I haven't had much time to play this season just curious when I will be capable
gleaming cosmos
Where can I find Arms rotation because WoWhead is wrong, reading over APL is a nightmare, FAQ still mentions 10.1 and just isn't updated.
shadow ibex
Wow head should be good. The aoe is more a priority list
ST is keep ms on CD, reapply rend a little early so you don't have to during CDs
WW x2 in CS
Exe exe X MS in execute. If you spam x3 exes eventually you'll find yourself starved so fitting in OP is good especially if no wft
X being a third exe or OP for rage positive global
gleaming cosmos
Keep Whirlwind (Storm of Swords) on cooldown, prioritized just after Warbreaker, and ahead of Bladestorm.```
So these two parts seem simple enough if you compare to WoWhead priority list but
```Only use Cleave with 2 stacks of Martial Prowess (and only >4 targets if during Sweeping Strikes), prioritized just after the afformentioned Whirlwind.```
This can be really awkward because if you end up Whirlwind > 2x OP > Cleave > Thunder Clap you're still waiting on whirlwind with 1x martial so at that point are you just MS in 20 target lol?I dunno
charred brook
@proud plover are u running uproar
gleaming cosmos
Then I go watch Crit play a key and it doesnt add up at all tbh the way he plays opener in packs compared to priority list tbh.
S3 it all made sense and with cleave + new APL, the guides + how top players play dont match anymore.
charred brook
well keep in mind
slight variations of a talent or two
can change your prio list
idle night
the guide here mentions buying eranog ring if I don't have the legendary, but how exactly do I proc the ring?
gleaming cosmos
Helmet enchant and/or shadowflame patch
idle night
thank you all
violet steeple
It's actually a fairly minimal diff if you play it "perfectly" or not
A large portion of our dmg is our bleeds
So if you 1x some cleaves vs double OP 2x cleaves, it's really not going to be a massive diff across a key as a whole
gaunt owl
an deeznuts !
charred brook
mfw i played raid with a new ui this week and i noticed my damage was really poor
and i found my rend uptime was like 70%
because new ui i didnt pay attention to my rend timer
lmao
crimson charm
Prio for AoE:
TC (if Rend isn't up)>TR>WB>WW>Cleave (If 2x OP stacks & (SS up & 4+ targets / SS not up and 3+ targets) > MS (if 2x OP stacks and SS up) > OP (If SS is up > BS (if SS not up) > OP > MS (If 2x Exe stacks & 2 (or less) targets) > Exe (if SS up / 2 or less targets) > TC (if 3+ targets) > MS
To summarize the updated APL from SimC
cold vigil
i have 30% haste on the dot 
violet steeple
But you'd charge>TC>TR>Ava/WB>go into the prio list above
But if you ava before TR for example you'd lose an avatar GCD but it's minimal overall
crimson charm
Ava is lined up with WB generally speaking
gleaming cosmos
Ok thankyou.
obsidian topaz
But you'd charge>TC>TR>Ava/WB>go into the prio list above
Don’t forget cleave after TC
gleaming cosmos
Out of curiousity why do we cleave after TC in opener (noticed Crit doing that) before going into CD's?
obsidian topaz
Wait nvm you talking raid ST?
obsidian topaz
Out of curiousity why do we cleave after TC in opener (noticed Crit doing that) ...
Tierset. You have a very good chance to proc it
gleaming cosmos
Oh yeah I understand
obsidian topaz
With cleave before using major CDs
violet steeple
To proc tier, but again...if you miss the cleave, it may proc off WB/your 1st MS or cleave, it's still fairly minimal
Across a whole key
Sorry not off WB, but off your 1st MS/Cleave into the pack
obsidian topaz
Also the reason crit videos might not line up with wowhead is because archi just put out an update today
obsidian topaz
Sorry not off WB, but off your 1st MS/Cleave into the pack
Rather have it up for bladestorm tho
violet steeple
I can genuinely say I regularly fuckup the cleave 1st, or pop Ava/WB before roar, and my overalls are basically always identical at 15/16s
Obsessing over too much nuance that is, at the end of the day, still a bit RNG
You crit or don't crit, you proc more OPs vs less etc
It tends to even out
Stick to the general prio, use CDs on CD, don't die
quaint parcel
how much haste does arms want?
obsidian topaz
Well ya but hitting 8 targets with cleave gives you a pretty good chance at a crit
violet steeple
Ofc, I'm not saying it's not a good idea, I'm saying if you miss it sometimes it's not gonna break your DPS
gleaming cosmos
I understand it's all minute but I wanna do 510k overall not 500k you know what Im saying 🙂
olive nest
Overall has so many veriables
violet steeple
You could do 500 or 510 based on pullsize, RNG, other factors just as easily as the cleave before WB may cause it or not cause it
olive nest
you could play better in the exact same key you do before but the pulls could be different or another class could steal aoe etc
violet steeple
I ended at like 800k in an AA yesterday, we then did another and I was like 764.
Timed both, could be I played better, could be our rogue played better, could be RNG
These are miniscule things that if you obsess over you'll likely fuck up a mechanic or something
gleaming cosmos
See exactly, I wanna do 800k and my best is 588k (no buffs except maybe PI wasnt sure who got that) and pulls were pretty decent.
olive nest
Lincs team probably does the whole dungeon in like 10 pulls
you wont compete with that with pug tanks
violet steeple
This was with an aug, and a BRM, and with a planned route
^
Team keys pull to maximize, pugs do not
nocturne palm
If I dont have Fyralakk, should I get ashkandur with my bullions?
It has a special effect
gray steeple
If I dont have Fyralakk, should I get ashkandur with my bullions?
pins
wary raft
are u trying to farm fyralath still or not
nocturne palm
Not farming it
wary raft
if not ye get ashkandur, if you are still trying for it then smth else like ring or trinket
nocturne palm
Not gonna try to get it either
wary raft
then yeah sword is ur best bet
nocturne palm
ty
rotund warren
will fyr'alalath drop awakened in the third week ?
outer holly
You think blizz is gonna let you farm less?
rotund warren
true i guess
i got a question about bullions
im very low ilvl so im thinking to spend my bullions on a good trinket
since its my lowest ilvl
and because i dont have fyralath
gray steeple
i got a question about bullions
Check the pins for advice
rotund warren
sure
outer holly
Trinkets are always a good choice though
rotund warren
kk thanks
gray steeple
Trinkets are always a good choice though
weapon(s) > trinkets.
cold vigil
did ashkandur effect count as auto attack?
violet steeple
Honestly debating getting mythic whispering icon > ring next week
gaunt owl
that is the question
smoky kayak
did ashkandur effect count as auto attack?
no, it just triggers from autos
cosmic oasis
I was just coming in to scroll up and look for M+ trinket discussion. Is whispering icon winning out?
deft seal
Honestly debating getting mythic whispering icon > ring next week
Wondering that myself 🤨
violet steeple
Problem is both OCE and Whispering simming high depends on other people having it
violet steeple
Ye
smoky kayak
I was just coming in to scroll up and look for M+ trinket discussion. Is whispe...
OCE is slightly stronger stronger, while Icon is easier to maximize provided your tanks/healers actually go for it - so I would highly recommend you speak to your group and figure out their plans
violet steeple
This is so odd, nokhud trink is simming slightly above puzzlebox on 2 and 3m 8min sims, guess it's because most of puzzlebox' value is the upfront burst
smoky kayak
the benefit of OCE is any five people across your raid can use it, but it's also unlikely you fill out that whole group in M+, so if that's your concern I'd either go with Icon, or more realistically use something like Pips/Nelths while waiting to see what the rest of the community does
violet steeple
I'm personally gonna go Pips/Nelths since I fill in for peeps cuz not sp/mage/aug D: lol
smoky kayak
This is so odd, nokhud trink is simming slightly above puzzlebox on 2 and 3m 8mi...
how many targets? My experience is that Nokud does well in ST, but falters in MT
violet steeple
Sorry 8 target
smoky kayak
interesting
violet steeple
Ye I think it's weird too
opaque citrus
Cds are used on CD, that's the rule at all times
CDeez
smoky kayak
I'm personally gonna go Pips/Nelths since I fill in for peeps cuz not sp/mage/au...
I was lucky enough to loot a Nelths, so it basically solved that problem for me too - I'll still probably try to get an Icon/OCE for raid, but M+ I can just use Nelth + Box and not have to worry about the group makeup
violet steeple
And now I'm debating if it's worth the swap for the prio dmg if it's basically equal across AOE
cosmic oasis
Interesting.. yeah my group isn't going OCE or icon. So it's probably what... puzzle box > all for M+?
violet steeple
Man we had the hunter 1 drop both heroic and mythic -.- sadness lol
smoky kayak
Interesting.. yeah my group isn't going OCE or icon. So it's probably what... p...
well you were already using puzzle box, the question was the other trinket
cosmic oasis
Yeah exactly. Using irideus at the moment.
smoky kayak
I wouldn't go double on use if I could avoid it
violet steeple
I'm using double on use, irid+box
smoky kayak
it's doable, but annoying lol
cosmic oasis
God it's the worst. That's why I'm trying to switch.
worldly kernel
Good morning skyhold
violet steeple
But it says swapping box for nokhud>swapping irid frag, which I think is the mastery gap in my gear
smoky kayak
Yeah I'd go for Pips, Nelths, anything with strong passive value
violet steeple
Probably fixed tues when I get gloves/can swap my shit tier legs off
cosmic oasis
At least you can bind irideus to a cooldown or something to save a keybind here and there. But puzzle box is pain to me.
smoky kayak
it's ok if you precast in M+ or short raid fights
violet steeple
Ye I have puzzlebox on it's own key, use prepull, then I macro'd irid into the next WB I use when avail
cosmic oasis
That's exactly what I do.
worldly kernel
You get 30 seconds of box time which is crazy because that’s an entire big pack in most of these dungeons at a decent level
smoky kayak
anvil and spiteful storm are also good ST picks if you need a non-OCE/icon backup
violet steeple
It's not, packs last 1.5-2m at higher keys
smoky kayak
depends on the level you're doing too
worldly kernel
If your tank is just taking 20 seconds inbetween pulls also it loses value
cosmic oasis
Does it make sense to go Diurna's next week if you have hero track on two of the top ~4 trinkets?
smoky kayak
probably yeah, you can also just sim stuff
cosmic oasis
Yeah I feel the lack of prio damage on last boss in BH and I'm not even hitting high keys yet.
worldly kernel
I was playing around with sims and ring simmed pretty well
smoky kayak
Yeah, it's a whole other effect on top of a normal rings budget
karmic gust
when do we pop the legendary in the ST opener? Before the CDs?
wary raft
getting aug buffed to pad in aa goes hard
tough steppe
jesus christ man
i just got a party where my healer died 25 times
in nokhud offensive
this is actually insane
tough steppe
i think i'm not using enough cleaves lol
uncut grove
Hey, quick question. is there a way to get root break on tindral with arms? i know about the bladestorm and Avatar ones but i think we do not hold thos for the roots right?
vague inlet
Play gnome./
frigid lava
those are the only skills that break lose from immobilizers
rare kite
Hey, quick question. is there a way to get root break on tindral with arms? i kn...
make a paladin freedom you or monk tigers lust
nova marsh
Hey, quick question. is there a way to get root break on tindral with arms? i kn...
well first of all we don't take BS for tindral
And no we don't hold ava for roots
You just gotta dps through it
nova marsh
I mean
We don't really have a point of holding anything unless it's for a huge damage amp
Like smoldy
halcyon breach
And no we don't hold ava for roots
You do on Mythic
nova marsh
or if the boss fucks off during CDs and we know tit's gonna happen
hybrid sinew
its unlikely that with our gear you will need to hold ava for that root set at :50, although just in case theres a close fire beam you might want to make sure your possitining is set so you have a bit of time
nova marsh
So the dps loss is worth it?
hybrid sinew
if for some reaosn your dmg was super bad, then yeah you'd want to save ava for it and just pop your stuff at :50 like on prog
halcyon breach
You're still getting your full use case out of Avatar by holding it till 50 second
But yeah
If your raid dps is really good, then you'd phase before the time 2nd fliers have a chance to go up maybe
somber lance
are we beating ret on boss fights in m+?
somber lance
but single BS warlords they pull ahead of us right?
nova marsh
yes
nova marsh
I mean it'd also help if I had the fucking four set
somber lance
we playing jugg for tyrannical?
rare kite
I mean it'd also help if I had the fucking four set
oof that is a big part. our 4p is crazy good
tough steppe
we playing jugg for tyrannical?
pretty sure we are
rare kite
we playing jugg for tyrannical?
most people are not
tough steppe
like
nova marsh
Most people don't like swapping that much
tough steppe
if i see a comp with a priest and a ret
i will definitely go as jugg
i can't do the same AOE as them anyway
rare kite
the 1 bladestorm build is the go to build for everything. doesn't lose that much st and has really good aoe
hybrid sinew
i've messed around w/ jugg the past few days, i'm kinda surrpised how much it seems to pump in a pug
hybrid sinew
well i mean, it loses 12ishK ST, it just depends on how much that means to you