arms

[stray willow]

Hmm ok

[cold vigil]

from icy veins

against 3 targets or +5 if ss active

though this suggests also using bonegrinder below so don't look at it

is it good to have blacksmithing on your arms just for the repair?

[minor gust]

Bis will always be alchemy for increased phial duration

going from 30 min to 1:30 is pretty sick

[cold vigil]

so alchemy and blacksmithing?

[sage badge]

[cold vigil]

yeah dreadnought is fun

[rough pewter]

guys can u make a macro for puzzlebox+bs like back in season1? i did but seems to be not working

[latent hull]

Its fixed

[rare kite]

you cannot for regular bladestorm, you can if you run avatar bladestorm but barely anyone uses that

[latent hull]

Oh

I thought someone said it was fixed

[rough pewter]

i see thank you. bcoz of gcd i guess

[minor gust]

Puzzlebox never worked with BS

it was always Avatar BS

[rough pewter]

thank you guys

[proud plover]

no longer works with avatar bladestorm eitherr - cast it before

all your cleave questions have been answered in #updates-midnight - only send it with 2x op buff

[cyan lagoon]

Arms rotation has me questioning my mental faculties

so many damn buttons to press

[proud plover]

nah press ms

[exotic kestrel]

aoe or st?

coz sT is very straughtforward

[proud plover]

ms go BURRR

[cyan lagoon]

Idk where to even begin asking questions

like

Which ability has highest prio for multitarget

OP?

[gray steeple]

Have you read the guides? Rotation section?

[exotic kestrel]

during Sweeping strikes mostly yes

[exotic kestrel]

this is ur first stop for the basics yes

[cyan lagoon]

Yeah but they are just as confusing

Icy Veins, for example, has OP at cast number 10

and SS while bladestorming

which is completely wrong

[exotic kestrel]

i think ur just reading it wrong

[gaunt owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qbkPW9PUVZfjR9vA4rdFYf 3 types of gem on my sims !

[cyan lagoon]

So those are not the cast sequences but rather priorities?

[exotic kestrel]

yes

its all priority's

[cyan lagoon]

so then WW is our top prio and OP is on 10th place?

[exotic kestrel]

no, WW is a big prio during Warbreaker

[proud plover]

#updates-midnight ^^

[exotic kestrel]

if u wanna boil it down very basically u do =>
During sweeping strikes :

• ms on CD
• OP as much as u can while maintaining DW with cleave and Rend with TC

Outside of sweeping :
if u want prio dmg u still MS on CD, else u spend more globals on cleave

and i honestly end up mostly pressing WW somewhat close to on CD

but then again im by no means a giga player

[cyan lagoon]

This is going to take some time to get used to

[wind flicker]

During sweeping u only want to MS on <=4 unless prio target

[stiff wedge]

Don’t stress about target count for now

[exotic kestrel]

pressing MS on cd during SS is never a bad choice i feel like

[stiff wedge]

You have enough in your brain trying to figure out just pushing buttons. Counting monsters is just gonna make it more confusing

[gaunt owl]

prio dmg this week is really important

[latent hull]

How much should i use overpower

[exotic kestrel]

alot

[gaunt owl]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-ross-geller-david-schwimmer-drink-a-lot-gif-15947149

[proud plover]

op should be your most cast spell

[naive sage]

Yes

[flat vine]

Hekili users have been saved bigkek

[novel hollow]

Doing 350-450k depending dung

At 502

With leggo

[stiff wedge]

Depends so much on the tank pulls and the group

[inner wasp]

so i still don't understand arms aoe xd

[somber lance]

so not big arms player?

[inner wasp]

im the biggest arms player

but what do i do when ss is down

[somber lance]

its the same prio except the target count goes from 5 to 3

between MS and cleave prio

[inner wasp]

ya idk the 5/3 target prio..

the prio list on wowhead gives me an aneurism every time i look at it

[somber lance]

use MS over cleave when theres less than 5 targets (with SS up) and with less than 3 targets (when ss is down)

but also depends if you want more prio damage MS is better

since it chunks your target

[gusty nymph]

anyone has a WA set bonus tracker. the one on wago does not work

[inner wasp]

i want more overall dps idc about actually helping my team

[somber lance]

warrior player after all

[inner wasp]

so target count changes ms/cleave priority

does it change anything other priority

like is execute still just filler if u cant press anything else

[olive oracle]

Do i spam execute during execute phases? Im so lost

or just a filler to use OP and MS

[ornate eagle]

You have 3gcds between mortal strikes

So you execute -> execute -> op -> Ms

When you're below 40 rage you send OP

[olive oracle]

Okay thanks :)!

[inner wasp]

i thought u always prio ms over exe?

[somber lance]

yeah

but MS has a cd

[stiff wedge]

You basically are in execute still

[inner wasp]

op over exe*

not ms

[ornate eagle]

Nah

This is for st execute

Not for aoe

[odd mist]

Guys what is the best opener for M+ in a multi target(6+targets) scenario? I got really confused reading the guide on wow head. I don’t know when to cast TR e when to use cleave to activate the tier set bonus.

[inner wasp]

so in low target count aoe do i still press cleave over whirlwind

[ornate eagle]

You ww on CD

[olive oracle]

I checked the rank 1 arms warrior on kazarha hellforged mythic raid and his 2nd highest ability was execute 20% isn't that kinda weird?

[inner wasp]

i thought ww was low on the prio list 😭

[ornate eagle]

You cleave on 4+ with SS down, and 7+ with SS up

[inner wasp]

so on 3 or less with ss down i just dont press it at all

[ornate eagle]

Ww spends big rage and does good damage, that's why you just send it on cd

Yeh there you send MS over cleave

Only cleave as filler when you can't MS

[inner wasp]

what if im out of buttons? tc over cleave?

ah

[ornate eagle]

TC to keep up rend

It's a bit of a hassle

But you'll get a the hang of it!

[inner wasp]

the ? was more accurate

having an actual aoe rotation different from the st rotation hurts my fury brain...

[stiff wedge]

(Big fury player)

[ornate eagle]

Eh

The aoe rotation is mostly your ST rotation

You just start cleaving when it's many red health bars

If it's not that many red healthbars, cleave is just a filler

[inner wasp]

many red healthbar cleave... less red healthbar less cleave

me understand

[ornate eagle]

[inner wasp]

so in exe phase w/ the aoe build ur pressing exe twice, op once before ms

but what if ms resets

[ornate eagle]

MS

Since you don't have juggernaut

So MS does more damage

[regal quiver]

am i suposed to use rend in the rotation? or just apply it with the other abilities?

[inner wasp]

apply w/ clap

[ornate eagle]

Only apply rend in pure ST

[inner wasp]

oh

[ornate eagle]

But you can also just send TC

The difference is basically non-existent

[inner wasp]

man i am NOT putting rend on my bars

im not even putting slam on my bars, u cant make me put rend on my bars

[regal quiver]

alr thx, just wondering cuz then i can get an extra slot in my bars lol

[minor gust]

feel free to remove rend and full send with TC

its not a big deal at all

[regal quiver]

been a fury player all my life but fury with this set is just miserable so im trying out arms

[exotic kestrel]

welcome to the good side

[inner wasp]

"fury with this set is miserable" fury with this set is how fury has been for yrs xd
everybody hated annihilator until they were forced to use it now they cant go back ..

[minor gust]

Fury in M+ still slaps with the S2 set its just struggling on pure ST boss dmg

[exotic kestrel]

fury is alsways miserable

[minor gust]

which is not a big deal cuz its a meme season

[pure wren]

The complaints about Annihilator were funny. Everyone was so hyped to play it in the prepatch

[inner wasp]

im an annihilator enjoyer

[regal quiver]

nah i never liked this set even when it realeased, i was complaining when people voted for it to come back

give me back legion fury warrior blizzard

[minor gust]

when everyone wants the legion version of warrior again and blizz still refuses to rework us

[inner wasp]

furious slash my favorite

[exotic kestrel]

wdym we got a rework on alpha

[minor gust]

that aint no rework thats a tragedy

[limpid current]

is cataclysmic signet and OCE bis this tier for ST?

[inner wasp]

should i just switch to windwalker

[exotic kestrel]

Honestly i very much like most of current arms, it just has some issues

[rapid cedar]

Arms in aoe = 30 million buttons

[exotic kestrel]

thats one yeh

[gray steeple]

If you can keep both up. Very situational.

[exotic kestrel]

on alpha theyve fixed our atrocious rage econ

[minor gust]

I enjoyed the arms gameplay in DF mostly it just needed some help. I loved the insane rage gain and warlords torment on CS it was very fun we just needed a way to spend it

[exotic kestrel]

and with them seeming to move cleave forward more as our go to aoe button thats looking positive aswell

[minor gust]

but no blizz is like nope lets go back to no rage

[limpid current]

ahh ok thank you! 🙂

[rapid cedar]

I'm gonna say it. I loved wod version of both fury and arms.

Arms was a slow spec with big hits.
Fury was a crit monster

[minor gust]

In the first blue post I think blizz mentioned warriors should have to manage rage but like what classes actually have to manage their resource. Mana hasnt existed for casters in years and Energy/CP are completely flooded and steroided these days. but yet warrior having to much rage is bad

[regal quiver]

damn i need an addon to keep track of which buffs i have active for the rotation or this is hell lol

[daring gazelle]

MoP was best iteration of fury

[rapid cedar]

Mop was also good

Kinda same as wod

But with cs

[pure wren]

WoD Fury blew until T18 and the stats to support it.

[rare kite]

ye, very hard to hit the sweetspot tho. like if we have to chargeweave on cd then that's too low generation and then we have things like live where we are swimming in it

[sage badge]

AoE simple breakdown:
Thunderclap to rend, Roar on cooldown, Cleave for 4p, Avatar+WB, Whirlwind (SoS), Bladestorm.
After that, you mostly want to: Cleave at 2 MP > WW(sos) > OP > TClap
Can simplify target count so 3T with sweeping is when you MS/Execute.

You lose a bit of min/max at the 4-5 target range, but not enough to think about it often.

[strange perch]

what color do we take in AA?

[arctic iris]

Other classes and specs do have to manage their resources, in the sense that their resources determine their decisions. Right now arms barely has that because we are so often flooded with rage that the answer is just to mash whatever deals the most damage, and not look at our rage bar.

If rage generation is lower, it gives more room for us to do things like choose to use overpower or even bladestorm to stall and give time for rage generation instead of those being the abilities that make you overcap

[sage badge]

Haste or vers

Which would be bronze for haste, red for vers

[strange perch]

I usually take vers but wastn sure

[arctic iris]

I would generally recommend vers, it's virtually identical to other stats in terms of damage but also gives survivability in a dungeon with a couple of fights that can hurt a lot on higher keys

[sage badge]

Either works. Vers probably better with certain trinkets and borrowed damage

[strange perch]

with lego too

[arctic iris]

I think versatility is especially valuable earlier in the season since we're so under geared and running keys that are higher than our item level

[sage badge]

I like haste for ST, but vers provides a bit of survivability

[quick acorn]

How Big of a improvement is having T4 from having t2 for m+?

[inner wasp]

in the aoe build exe phase, i send ms over exe but not over op

but i need one op before i ms?

[strange perch]

@wind flicker can i see your talents with uproar over SW

you take intimidating?

[inner wasp]

also do i not bladestorm in st or do i

[rare kite]

SW?

[rare kite]

you do

[quasi torrent]

hurricane quite powerful

in fact

[inner wasp]

oh right hurricane

[alpine burrow]

Hey guys so the latest updates say to only use Cleave with 2 stacks of Martial Prowess (and only >4 targets if during Sweeping Strikes). So does this really mean that we shouldn’t be using cleave if we haven’t casted op twice yet? And that we shouldn’t be using cleave above 4 targets if we don’t have sweeping strikes up?

I just got confused with this because I recall posts saying to use cleave above 6+ targets without sweeping strikes. And watching critcake’s stream extensively last night, I noticed he would use cleave right after one cast of OP and regardless if he had sweeping strikes or not (when there was more than 5-6 targets)

[inner wasp]

so in st exe w/ hybrid build

i press op w/ 2 stacks, otherwise press exe

and ms on cd

[strange perch]

shockwave

[somber lance]

im pressing TC a lot as a filler to reset OP. is that a problem?

[quasi torrent]

4 with sweeping only means you don't cleave on 2-4 with sweeping up

[rare kite]

ah ye, i just call shockwave shockwave xD

[quasi torrent]

SW=second wind my guys

[alpine burrow]

Ohhh okay, got it. Sorry I think I misread it haha

[quasi torrent]

And sending cleave with 1xMP or 2xMP is rather minor iirc, loses you more prio than aoe

its really no biggie either way

I for one won't fucking track MP stacks

[alpine burrow]

Okay this clears my concerns up a lot, thanks man.

[quasi torrent]

🤷‍♂️

The only thing ill do diff from this is send WW before BS in opener

big wooosh

[alpine burrow]

What are APL updates anyways? Were there changes made to our abilities or smth?

[somber lance]

to fish for the 4set bonus?

[halcyon breach]

APL is what sims use to determine what abilities to use when

[boreal quartz]

Apl is the prio the robot plays by

[quasi torrent]

APL = Action priority list
basically the rotation the sim does

[boreal quartz]

And deswind figured out smth better

[alpine burrow]

Cool, thanks guys!

[quasi torrent]

Whereby rotation is a bad word, as its very clearly a priority system.

[halcyon breach]

I will prioritise using MS on you

-50% healing

[quasi torrent]

I will receive less healing

Mental health has now died

i will 7

[fiery mica]

Did you find a WA for this or something?

[minor gust]

I just think in a feast or famine scenario I rather be feasting. if we just had a creative and interesting way to spend the excess rage Im down. I totally supported some off gcd abillity like HS or the one that buffed next MS

[rare kite]

oh ye 100% rather be feasting

zero doubt

[minor gust]

I also really dislike being reliant on WFT to feel good its like the same thing as PI some classes gameplay just actually felt so much better when u had PI so it feels like shit when u dont get it

[shrewd seal]

guys for someone who doesnt have a legendary and will not get it soon, what's the next best thing to buy with the bullions? My trinkets are frenzying signol flare and augury

[minor gust]

WFT feels the exact same

[dire hinge]

i'd just go down the bullion list on wowhead and skip the lego until you acquire it

[rare kite]

as long as we have some exe focus we are always going to feel alot better with wft. i'm of the opinion that they should remove all raid buffs

[shrewd seal]

nice ok, ty a lot

[inner wasp]

can i get a true

or a false

[minor gust]

I dont mind raid buffs just not the cringe raid buffs. Like for the love of god why is something like WFT spec specific and only party wide. Give all shamans WFT so we dont have to do this cringe oh we neeed 1 enhance for a party wide buff oh but sorry theres no room for you in the WFT grp so you have to sit out of it sorry

[fiery mica]

As someone whose paladin never got the Lego to drop last season I just said f it and went Ashkandur. I don't need that weekly disappointment.

But I just started playing my warrior so I don't know anything

[dire hinge]

no, so in Single Target you basically just follow your normal raid priority, meaning overpower is below execute in that context

[inner wasp]

so just send exe unless under 40 rage

or can press ms

[pure grove]

Thank you for this. Was struggling to find the priority with targets.

[inner wasp]

does that also apply to SD procs?

send over op?

[dire hinge]

If the boss is below 35%, you'd only send MS if you had 2x stacks of Executioner's Precision, but yes if the boss is above 35% you just send MS

[dire hinge]

correct yes

[regal quiver]

only old ones taht dont work unfortunatly

[inner wasp]

the prio list is slowly starting to clear up in my head, ty

the 19 entry long prio list on wowhead is pain to look at lmao

[minor gust]

look at enhance prio list

[dire hinge]

haha i haven't looked at it recently, lemme gander

[minor gust]

its a lot worse

[rare kite]

holy moly, never really thought of how much different shit there is to prio as arms. been playing arms the entire expansion so pretty used to it

[inner wasp]

yea i play fury so im just like "i press rampage raging blow raging blow :)"

then i switch to arms and im like "i need a phd to zug zug"

[tough tangle]

Our enhance shaman wanted to ele during some farm kills and it’s cringe how wft is spec specific

[dire hinge]

that is quite the cognitive overload to read over for sure

[inner wasp]

i almost feel like it'd be better to split it up into small chunks based on target count

instead of just a list that encompasses every situation

[halcyon breach]

I read the MM priority list, and everything top to bottom is just "press X on cooldown"

Definitely felt like an "that's it?" moment

[fiery mica]

I played enhance as my first character this season because it fit my group I play with a lot. The complexity is awful it's so many plates to spin. Plus it's so damn squishy. I am all for high skill cap specs but the reward has gotta be there. High complexity and okay damage sucks ass.

[rare kite]

meanwhile ret paladin. very very easy, shit ton of damage, extremely tanky and has insane utility

[fiery mica]

Yeah I played paladin last season and everything feels poorly designed compared to it. Prot and ret are so clean.

[gaunt owl]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-kiss-suck-girl-gif-5525710854024677285

[thick kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1119193281008500776/1136171562752561172/caption.gif

[alpine burrow]

Hey just a clarification for this, based on the latest APL updates, it says when sweeping strikes is up we shouldn’t use cleave when its up to 4 targets. So shouldn’t we be able to use MS/Execute with sweeping when its 4T instead of just 3T?

Thanks in advance!

[sage badge]

Correct. But I was simplifying it further for those that don't want to track mobs and think about it.

Cleave at 5 or more during sweeping is ideal

[alpine burrow]

Ah, got it.

[sage badge]

But if you wanna be lazy, keep it at 3. Sweeping up at 3 use MS. No sweeping use cleave

If you dont care for prio

[somber lance]

do we have a WA that says how many mobs are in the vicinity? that would actually help a lot

[gaunt owl]

i push buttons

thats how we do dmg

[somber lance]

just smash keyboard?

exe phase feels so good as arms

its insane

[fiery mica]

I like to just stand there and think about what I should be doing and thus doing zero damage

[alpine burrow]

Does that mean we shouldn’t use cleave at all when its 4 or less targets during sweeping strikes? I was thinking about a situation when MS, Execute, and OP are all down and there’s 4 or less targets (with sweeping strikes)

[sage badge]

You can cleave as filler.

[alpine burrow]

Got it thanks man

[carmine ginkgo]

If you have trouble reading priority lists like me, run a quick sim on raidbots and check out the cast timeline at the bottom.

I don't know if it's perfect, but it helped me out a bit. You can change the target count to see the different breakpoints too

[mortal crag]

Wait cleave works with sweeping?

[sage badge]

#ui-addons-manager message

Is what I use

[mortal crag]

Is it fine to TC as filler if I don't want to ms a single target and there's like 9 mobs?

[somber lance]

damn that's sick ty

[alpine burrow]

Sorry another question. What if sweeping isn’t up, when do you use cleave? Like what if its 2-4 targets and I don’t have sweeping

[somber lance]

its a bit sweaty but i dont wanna count mobs every pack xd

[mortal crag]

I could be wrong but 3 or lower with no sweeping u prio ms

[minor gust]

yeah its the same for us our enhance really wants to play ele but he really doesnt want to be the guy who switches off ehance screwing 4 other ppl over when he was recruited to be enhance

[mortal crag]

My rl asked me why do I play fury if it's so bad

Idk dude I like it and it's s4

😦

Now I study arms

📙

[gaunt owl]

for s4 and any prior season

being forced to play this or that is cringe

as fuck

[mortal crag]

He isn't forcing me

It's just sad I'm 60k behind our arms player

[sage badge]

No sweeping, cleave at 3. This is why 3 is the lazy way. Almost no matter what you can just cleave at 3. You lose optimized damage.

[mortal crag]

💀💀

[somber lance]

no he means the enh

[mortal crag]

Yh that's cringe

[gaunt owl]

play what you like

its a video game

[somber lance]

makes sense if you're hof guild in a proper season

[mortal crag]

But what if I want to optimize? 😦

[gaunt owl]

fuck the meta and all this shit

[alpine burrow]

Thanks man!

[mortal crag]

My last guild recleared with no enha lmao

[wind flicker]

If u want to optimize the simple answer is >=5

[somber lance]

there is no fuck the meta because fuck the meta means not playing the game

[mortal crag]

I'm sorry jeventes I'm a brainrot fury enjoyer I cannot count for more than 4

Jk

[wind flicker]

Well if u cant count em anymore start cleaving

[mortal crag]

I'm still confused tho

When do I NOT cleave

Better question

[wind flicker]

<3. without ss >= 5 with ss

[mortal crag]

Ok u lost me

I'm bad at math's write it in English

[wind flicker]

Less than 3 without sweeping

[mortal crag]

I do not cleave ok

So far i follow

[wind flicker]

More than 5 or 5 with sweeping = cleave

[mortal crag]

I asked it earlier but does cleave work w sweeping?

Like how does it work

[wind flicker]

U use sweeping for overpowers

Overpower with sweeping sends out another dreadnaught for full damage

[mortal crag]

Ok so cleave doesn't do anything a sweeping

OK COOL

Did not know!!

Ok so at 4?

What do I do?

[wind flicker]

Well i wasnt sure till a few days back either, but archi confirmed it since i needed it for a video 🙂

[mortal crag]

Is that why des said at 4 just cleave?

U releasing arms vid?

[wind flicker]

I already have 2 xd

[mortal crag]

Shieeee hook me up I'll even write a hateful comment for the algorithm

[final dove]

Wait so cleave isnt affected by sweeping?

[wind flicker]

Kekw

[summer cargo]

1 million mortal strike 💪🏼💪🏼

[tough tangle]

which dragon buff do you guys usually grab in AA?

[unreal fog]

guys, what stats do we prio for arms this season? haste crit again or we go haste mastery?

[mortal crag]

Haters boost engagement

https://tenor.com/view/bellingham-real-madrid-gif-2387078744764954487

[final dove]

sim

😄

but basically haster vers and crit really

always sim though

[mortal crag]

Bro made a chart

[somber lance]

pin it

someone pin it

[unreal fog]

so we dont use mastery another season

[final dove]

PIN IT

[astral yarrow]

Man the “e”s in that font is an atrocity

[mortal crag]

The whole font is dog ngl

But readable

[wind flicker]

Its sized down

[mortal crag]

Jeventes is known to be a warrior not a graphic designer

Dw jev i got u

[wind flicker]

❤️

[mortal crag]

Bruh I'm still missing 3 dungeons on fort

And I'm almost 2.9

💀

[unreal fog]

u don't know how much that helps me

[wind flicker]

Im glad it does 🙂

[mortal crag]

I S2g i just be clicking whatever is available

[wind flicker]

Just remember that stuff gets a bit wonky whenever you deal with prio targets

But u gotta use ur best judgement for that one

[livid pumice]

@wind flicker
Very much appreciated sir.

[unreal fog]

warrior community best community frfr

[wind flicker]

And about the font thingy, its a snipped from the video so its sized down i agree the font looks kinda bad on here kekw

[gaunt owl]

yeah its not fit for discord now 😄

we need to spam those screenshot its so much easier too

[wind flicker]

I can maybe try and edit it a bit in photoshop to make it more discord suiteable

[somber lance]

tbh i think its a miss there isn't a proper opener on the wowhead guide

[wind flicker]

The difficulty with an opener is that it assumes targets to already be gathered and standing still ready to blast

[halcyon breach]

So what does one do when you run out of rage from MS'ing too many times in a row

👴

[wind flicker]

In reality, u can already build some rage, apply some bleeds and get your tier set bonus right before sending out your stuff

[gaunt owl]

you try to smash MS til it goes in

yep you can slowly build your dmg up

til you kinda ramp

[wind flicker]

But in general, charge -> TC -> Avatar + WB -> whirlwind -> roar -> bladestorm

I think this is the "new" way

[gaunt owl]

WB after

[somber lance]

yeah i have a good idea now thanks to a couple comments and videos

but if anyone is brand brand new to the spec and looks at wowhead

they will be quite lost

[gaunt owl]

the spec is shit in AOE

thats the shit things

[somber lance]

haha]

[gaunt owl]

simc only do so much

we made him do this

but sometimes it just push buttons

[fringe moon]

Who else using the jug build instead of BS?

[wind flicker]

I mean sending wb before or after ur ww isnt going to be a disaster

Just do whatever feels best for you 🙂

[gaunt owl]

if you just hold your big CD

[wind flicker]

I believe Archi said its practically 0 the other day

[gaunt owl]

til everything is packed

its gonna be ok anyway

the order is w/E

you just need to hit everything

[somber lance]

why do we WW before TR again?

i thought we pressed cleave to proc 4p

[wind flicker]

Well you kinda want to get your tierset before it gathers

[gaunt owl]

see waht my 5t quicksim did 😄

not sure what was your parameter

[wind flicker]

The thing is, Sims like i said think that the targets are like dummies standing still and grouped. So normally you can get 1 cleave of in MT to get tier bonus before sending out ur major cd's

Then when ur done with ur bladestorm ur tierset should about run out in which u can refresh it again

[gaunt owl]

yeah keeping some tier set proc is 99% of the thing we have to track now

[wind flicker]

Exactly

[gaunt owl]

but if you get lucky and full of rage you have a priority too

[wind flicker]

So what i always do is send out 1 cleave before im sending my big stuff (before its gathered) to ensure the big dmg buff

[gaunt owl]

so if you cant go WW because not enough rage you move on and thats the tricky part for most

[wind flicker]

Usually i leave it out and use it after to proc overpowers

But it is considered a slight loss

[sage badge]

[latent hull]

Avatar after troar?

Wtf

[gaunt owl]

its because you do Avatar with Warbreaker

to have the 20% and 30% stacked

[wind flicker]

Technically most ur damage comes from the bleed

So it doesnt REALLY matter

[gaunt owl]

the first hit is shit

[wind flicker]

^

[timber lynx]

big poopy hit

[gaunt owl]

we have known this since early s3

[timber lynx]

bleed does

[latent hull]

So

[timber lynx]

Giga damage

[latent hull]

I charge troar avatar warbreaker

[gaunt owl]

news travel slowly sadly

[latent hull]

?

[wind flicker]

I think its more due to it being a very minor optimization

[latent hull]

I usually send it after bladestorm

For hurricane buff

[gaunt owl]

probably this too

[wind flicker]

You want to send it before bladestorm

You thunderous roar bleed lasts longer than hurricane buff

[timber lynx]

Definitely before bs you lose so much uptime on it

[gaunt owl]

so it does amp your bleed for a longer duration

[wind flicker]

But when ur bladestorming you are stacking it up which means you get an extra 4 seconds of hurricane on your bleeds

[latent hull]

Ok

[smoky kayak]

make sure you're running "latest"

[inner wasp]

vs how many targets do i whirlwind on cd

[sage badge]

Bladestorm is old news, it's all about DN

[latent hull]

Btw

Without sweeping strikes

[wind flicker]

This was from yday when i was making the vid. I think you updated it after did you not?

[latent hull]

When do i start using cleave

[smoky kayak]

yeah updates went out last night

[wind flicker]

yeah thats probably why then

It was only a showcase, doesnt impact anything on my end luckily :3

[gaunt owl]

they really should make latest the default option @smoky kayak

since its always really up to date and mostly bug free

[smoky kayak]

well the reason it isn't is because it's not necessarily bug free, since it updates near instantly without much in the way of checks

[gaunt owl]

its not like you guys push shit blindly til your peers review it anyway

you are kinda 99% sure its a gain

[smoky kayak]

I mean some do/some don't but we usually catch it pretty fast either way

[gaunt owl]

the only bug i caught live

was from a hunter TC

[smoky kayak]

it impacts absolutely nothing - the roar change was just a simplification that has next to no impact on DPS, since just throwing it on CD tends to align with WB anyway

[gaunt owl]

and it was doing some clunky stuff because you have some target check in your APL

[wind flicker]

Oh i meant i used that screenshot for a video. But that part was of no significance, just to showcase that sims automatically assume packs are gathered

[smoky kayak]

yeah, usually the only time latest has a problem is if someone fat fingered and forgot a ) or something, and then the whole thing crashes, but we tend to get quick enough feedback that it should be noticed pretty quick (and that's assuming they didn't rebuild and test themselves before pushing anyway, which I always try to do)

or the main build your testing works, but some other build breaks

[latent hull]

Is this single target

[sage badge]

No, aoe sim

[latent hull]

Why would you use fyralath first

[fringe moon]

Hey @sage badge have you tried the BS build vs Jugg and noticed any major differences in DPS?

[latent hull]

You wont have the dots on the targets to increse its dmg

[gaunt owl]

fyralath secretly sux

dont tell anyone

[timber lynx]

better to get the active on cd at the start of the fight

yea

[gaunt owl]

we have 10 CD to send

all at the same time

its SHIT

[frigid lava]

rate my warrior

[smoky kayak]

in actual AoE situations, it's usually better to prioritize your CDs first, assuming you're not saving them for something
but for a sim, it doesn't really matter

[wind flicker]

Well atleast ur getting full value on your money for it being a fantasy game

[astral yarrow]

Fairy warrior

[somber lance]

510 with no leggo

[frigid lava]

started playing february

[somber lance]

rip

[frigid lava]

im hoping next tuesday.

[frigid lava]

I appear 512 so.. they think I have the leggo

but no

[violet steeple]

The diff in order of WW/Roar etc is literally negligible for AOE, and RNG crits could make 1 better than the other on diff uses etc...hit your shit on CD and don't stand in bad

[misty iron]

@dull siren i see you don't take fatal mark in some of your rank 1s, do you skip it for extra point in bloodborne on short fights?

[violet steeple]

You'll be ok

Hardest part of arms in higher M+ is knowing when to prio and when to cleave, and then using IP properly

and dstance

[dull siren]

Fatal Mark is equal to Bloodborne around 3min fight duration

[violet steeple]

Holy fuck watching people never use IP/dstance drives me wild

[tough tangle]

ive been given mixed answers on this, is it ok to reflect the bomb on last boss of AA?

[daring latch]

Might be a dumb question but why are all the pieces with Mastery simming so high, thought we wanted Haste/Crit

[misty iron]

also, I never figured this out in exe phase - To get enough rage I have to do Execute->OP and then MS resets, do I send MS anyway or get 2x EP

[violet steeple]

2x EP

[misty iron]

ok ty

[misty iron]

ty as well

[misty iron]

because at that point with the gear you have, those pieces of gear provide the most dps, it's that shrimple

once you have more mastery, more pieces with crit/haste might sim better

[latent hull]

https://tenor.com/view/youve-got-to-be-squidding-me-its-as-shrimple-as-that-shrimple-squid-gif-26786461

[misty iron]

just follow the sim

[daring latch]

gotcha! thank you so much

[misty iron]

i feelycraft away some stats to get more vers for survivability in m+

but that's not optimal for pure dps

[sage badge]

I haven't. I play FoB, that has neither bladestorm or jugg.

[gaunt owl]

Deswind is the only true chad warrior

[sage badge]

[gaunt owl]

does his own cooking and still looks good while doing it

[buoyant hawk]

How does fervor work with s4 set?

Do you just ignore cleave altogether?

[worldly kernel]

good morning skyhold

[somber lance]

aug detected. overall invalidated

[sage badge]

No. It just makes whirlwind a filler to guarantee tactician (OP resets)

[buoyant hawk]

What do you drop in the build for cleave?

[lost zodiac]

That Aug is punching far above the rest of the group. 130k when the tank is only at 170 is nuts

[sage badge]

This is what I'm currently running. Only did as high as 14s, so feel free to change it around.

[somber lance]

that tank should do more than 180k no?

[lost zodiac]

Either the tank is crap or the Aug is absolutely blasting.

[somber lance]

dh slaps

[lost zodiac]

Tank should be at 300 if Aug is sitting at 130

[buoyant hawk]

Looks like you took out sudden death, interesting, does that not affect your priority damage much?

[sage badge]

They're doing their best

[worldly kernel]

SD prio went down because we dont have s3 set i'm pretty sure

[sage badge]

SD procs are wasted in aoe, most of your damage is chunky MS, and using OP on them

[buoyant hawk]

So you only use whirl as a reset for more ms? Even in high target count groups?

[rare kite]

what's your reason for the 2x critical thinking points? that seems weird af to me

[sage badge]

More crit for aoe. They're just floater points really.

[somber lance]

those 2 points are worth more than BS?

[worldly kernel]

it feels weird taking CT without mass but the crit is nice imo

[sage badge]

Don't like bladestorm, so that's where I put them

[somber lance]

ah ok

[quasi torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1119193281008500776/1136171562752561172/caption.gif?ex=66371bb9&is=6635ca39&hm=f6a53204f028a66826b94959e389468b686372afaedf27b0166d596e6c08aaee&

[rare kite]

was about to ask if you just don't like bladestorm xD

[sage badge]

BS damage is meh, and most of your aoe is DN now

Season of DN

[rare kite]

hurricane buffs DN

[gaunt owl]

m+ is about surviving

not about overall

one day

soon

we gonna make people learn

[sage badge]

True, but FoB allows me to do more DN

[rare kite]

also true

[sage badge]

Either works. I peaked like 2.7m dps in an academy 9 earlier this week with this. Don't feel like I need to do more than that. Feels better going pack to pack especially when it's low target counts

[rare kite]

wonder if imp slam is better for your build, i know you only ww to reset OP but still over 1% crit

[sage badge]

It's not. Slam isn't too big in the overall contribution

[worldly kernel]

you'd also wanna run crushing force but the damage isnt worth losing your 2 stuns

[sage badge]

When I start pushing I'll probably play bladestorm build or swap out cruel strikes for endurance + shockwave or endurance + uproar

[rare kite]

ye makes sense

[worldly kernel]

the hybrid build Ilike better, I can't do double bs it feels really clunky to me

[somber lance]

i thought switching to arms would get me invited but i guess not

still have to run my own keys

[worldly kernel]

no that actually lowers your chance of getting invited

wheres that WA

[somber lance]

ppl are clueless its fuinny

[dusty venture]

they dont see your spec they see your class

[rare kite]

ye the 1 bladestorm build feels best to play. doesn't sacrifice too much st

[sage badge]

No one invites arms

[worldly kernel]

[dusty venture]

aura or addon?

[rare kite]

they do see your spec

[sage badge]

addon

[somber lance]

nice addon

is this from this season?

[dusty venture]

name of the addon?

[sage badge]

since season 3

LFG decline counter

[somber lance]

"i saw my favourite streamers tier list and they said warrior is dumpster!!!"

[rare kite]

god i love tierlists

[wind flicker]

👀

[worldly kernel]

it just forces people to play meta and they suck anyways so it wont matter in the end

anyway they musta forgot

[rare kite]

a tierlist can tell me mage is S tier all they want, i'm still not inviting mages to my key. absolute terrorists

[somber lance]

mage players have always been terrible in my key range

[dusty venture]

real

mage players have always been terrible in every key ive ever done from 2 to 23

[somber lance]

i was only 3.2k last season mind you but still

[midnight mural]

Tier lists are good at making people watch tier lists on yt/twitch 🙃

[inner wasp]

so w/ the hybrid build in single target execute phase

if ur not pressing op at all before ms because ur pressing execute

that still does more overall dmg than pressing op?

[gaunt owl]

did you reset the counter for s4 at least

[inner wasp]

assuming 40 rage executes

[worldly kernel]

you weave in ops after 2x exe ms it's a filler for rage

[inner wasp]

this is only if ms doesnt reset tho, which it does a lot

?

[dire hinge]

basically it's MS -> 3 spells -> MS

• You want two of those spells to be Execute, but possibly all 3
• If you're above 40 rage Execute
• If you're below 40 rage Overpower

[sage badge]

Nope. Running since I went back to warr for s3

[worldly kernel]

you should have enough time for it to reset considering haste

[raven ivy]

I would also decline you

cant trust the yellow names

[inner wasp]

or does only op reset the cd of ms

[sage badge]

[inner wasp]

idk arms lore yet

[dire hinge]

you dont care if MS resets in execute phase in single target, only send it with 2x Execute Buff stacks

[inner wasp]

gotcha

outside of execute phase, if i get an sd proc

just send it over ms?

[gaunt owl]

should have reset it for s4

[inner wasp]

i meant send it over op

but

what if no SS up in aoe

[dire hinge]

that's incorrect

[worldly kernel]

it's lower prio because we have s1 tier

[dire hinge]

MS is more important than Execute (including sudden death procs) in single target, when the target is above 35%

[inner wasp]

so send it over op, but not over ms

in st

[languid geyser]

He said OP. Not MS

[inner wasp]

no no that clarifies things

when do i execute in aoe? depends on target count? if sd procs?

with or without ss?

[latent hull]

How good is sd

[languid geyser]

Probably should check out wowhead brother. But someone would tell me I'm incorrect

[worldly kernel]

in aoe bs and dn prob gonna do more damage even with ss'd sd procs

[latent hull]

I saw someone post a build here

[inner wasp]

wowhead clarifies nothing for me

[somber lance]

sd irrelevant in aoe

[latent hull]

I think he had the same build as me but took out SD and placed it into bloodborn

Or whatever bleed incresed dmg is called

[worldly kernel]

i mean everything with arms especially in keys is extremely situational a lot of the time you're just sending buttons, execute kinda becomes irrelevant in aoe with SD procs because you don't have the TC attached to it so op and SS'd ms > sd / execute

[inner wasp]

so u just dont press exe in aoe?

surely u do sometimes

[somber lance]

almost no

[worldly kernel]

in lower target count it becomes better but even still over OP and MS you don't press it that much over the other two

[latent hull]

If theres like 2 or 3 targets

[worldly kernel]

like for instance if you're at 2t cleave you can force target the EP ms on the secondary target and garuntee you're getting maximum damage with your buffed ms

but if it's like anything 5+ OP cleave and ms is going to do more damage than you sending an aoe execute with SS

[inner wasp]

why u gotta do it on the 2nd target

[worldly kernel]

its just how sweeping strikes works

[latent hull]

Wait when do u use cleave

When u have 2 overpower buff

[wind flicker]

Yes

[latent hull]

But if op dont reset then what

[sage badge]

For what it's worth, this is my dslice sim comparing the build I'm running and the warlords bladestorm build. Granted, dslice isn't as realistic as m+ and bladestorm will perform in very large pull counts (academy, nokhud, brackenhide) if your cooldowns line up for them.

[worldly kernel]

when you EP ms the main target anything that hits the main hits the secondary so if you're forcing EP on 2 things and you can reliably target only two things you're just getting free damage, with more targets you can't force it on a specific mob with 5+ because you're moving and it could hit one thing but you'd MS another if that makes sense

warrior math

[latent hull]

Isnt it better send cleave when ur at 1 overpower

So that u always have overpowers

[inner wasp]

how does EP work exactly

also in aoe dont u just send cleave on cd regardless of martial prowess stacks

[somber lance]

is there any use saving pot for exe phase in raid?

[wind flicker]

Then you use thunderclap / whirlwind

Or if no other option then yea

[worldly kernel]

so when you execute something it puts a debuff on it, stacks twice and it increases your ms damage, if you're in 2 target with SS anything you do to the main target gets applied to your secondary target

[latent hull]

You press MS on reset in execute phase?

[wind flicker]

No, you get a buff

[latent hull]

And just use execure above 40rage and op below

[dire hinge]

executioner's precision is absolutely a debuff on target, not buff onyourself

[inner wasp]

so why would it matter if u exe the primary or secondary target

if its getting applied no matter what

[worldly kernel]

it only applies to one thing you're attacking

[wind flicker]

Oh yeah sorry im mixing it up with martial prowess

Mb

[worldly kernel]

i had to fact check myself real quick xD

[cobalt lily]

heya guys ....is it worth using catalyst on Hero Single piece to convert to tear + Mark to make 2 piece or wait :p ?

[wind flicker]

Yeah its mb i had Martial Prowess in my mind for whatever reason

[inner wasp]

but how are u gonna get 4 exes off on 2 targets without pressing ms

unless ur ignoring ms

[grave cedar]

I find that with single Bladestorm build, my cool downs get desynced. How should I manage avatar, wb, and bs? What should be sent and what should he held?

[midnight mural]

send it

[wind flicker]

You send wb/bs/roar together preferably

And once every 3 min it alligns

[grave cedar]

Just send avatar with whatever's available?

[wind flicker]

With warbreaker preferably

But yes

[grave cedar]

Cool, thanks

[worldly kernel]

im mostly talking about priorities of action and explaining sweeping strikes tech. So if you know how arms basic theory works you have abilities that can apply a single debuff, MS -> deep wounds, Rend-> rend and aoe abilities that can apply on multiple targets Warbreaker / cleave -> Deep wounds, TC ( if specced) -> rend. We currently don't have any way to put executioners precision on more than 2 targets so that's where sweeping strikes comes in, it's a very underutilized mechanic for arms in m+ keys, which is where I said in 2 target you can reliably apply EP to two things because of how sweeping strikes works, anything you apply to your main target with a single target debuff will apply to the secondary target. So you can EP two things at one time. It becomes unreliable to do it above 5+ targets since you cannot apply EP to more than 2 targets so the debuff might hit a target your sweeping strikes is not hitting and you have pretty much wasted damage.

WOT but i had to explain it

does that make a little bit more sense

[latent hull]

Tc doesnt apply rend on all targets right?

[worldly kernel]

only on 5

[dire hinge]

only 5 random ones

[inner wasp]

so u DONT have to mouseover macro execute

[latent hull]

Is it worth spamming it on cd to get it to more targets

If u do a big pull

[worldly kernel]

i dont use macros so i'm not sure

but does that make sense or answer the original question

[eager solstice]

what keys is blademasters torment build better for?

[dire hinge]

none really

[finite ginkgo]

None

[latent hull]

Why would u run

More aoe dmg

[eager solstice]

then why are some of the top M+ guys running it

[latent hull]

Just to do tank damage on bosses

[eager solstice]

14 out of top 50 roughly

[latent hull]

They are trolling

[worldly kernel]

really early into the season people wanna pad

IMO the build feels clunky i'd avoid it

[wind flicker]

14 out of the top 50? Seems unlikely

[latent hull]

They are the type of people to play fury this patch when you can play arms

[eager solstice]

its almost the exact same as the normal build

[worldly kernel]

you swap it for warlords and it feels instantly better

[eager solstice]

the normal arms M+ build this ssn is a lot more complex than what were used to for warrior specs tho yeah

but im loving it now

[eager solstice]

https://murlok.io/warrior/arms/mm+

[prisma heart]

weeeeee bladestorm here i go again second bladestorm weeeeeee

[wind flicker]

The reality is that if you play Blademasters with MBG / reaping etc you'll do virtually no priority damage or boss damage which will actually make timing keys harder

[hazy flower]

murlok is not right fyi

[eager solstice]

yeah im not having any problems with my damage or timing keys as is

[hazy flower]

i.e.

[eager solstice]

i was just curious

[hazy flower]

it doesnt take all 50 from 50

[eager solstice]

as to why

[eager solstice]

wdym

[hazy flower]

it skips spots

[worldly kernel]

one sec, gonna go time a couple of 15's with a cursed build

[eager solstice]

I never thought it was super accurate but its still a pretty solid way to get general idea and info

[hazy flower]

if you really wanna see what top players are playing

go to wclogs

specific dungeons

[worldly kernel]

if you want a better idea go to raider IO and look up specific dungeons to see what people are using

[eager solstice]

i do for raids

[wind flicker]

WCL is bad for dungeons

Nobody logs their dungeons really

Unless there is a dragon in it

[hazy flower]

and raider io is buggy

doesnt show builds every time

properly

or gear

[worldly kernel]

there was one dungeon where it said I was double bs but I was playing jugg last season

[wind flicker]

I only know 1 person in the "top" that uses it

[eager solstice]

well raiderio is also just a lot more inconvenient than murlokio to get the same info for me anyway

[wind flicker]

And only for specific dungeons

[eager solstice]

generally speaking

[prisma heart]

weeeeee two bladestorms don't look at my boss damage

[hazy flower]

blademasters torment is not the ideal choice

warlords is burstier

and better boss dam

• better prio

[eager solstice]

i run warlords anyway

[astral yarrow]

I mean it’s not like you do 0 boss damage with MBG build, but you’ll do like 30k less played optimally

[eager solstice]

again was just curious

i guess they were either just having fun or had specs with giga ST so went more aoe heavy

[hazy flower]

I mean obviously a very good player will do better boss damage with blademasters than say avg warrior even with warlords jugg

but optimally you dont need that much pad in most comps or even in any comp

because stuff just gets cleaved

[astral yarrow]

It helps that a lot of damage comes from MS this tier

[eager solstice]

yeah big fucking numbers tho

having your name ontop of the overalls

thats all the really matters tbh

[hazy flower]

play with shit players

[eager solstice]

everything else is cope

[hazy flower]

you'll have it every time

[eager solstice]

for not being able to pump massive dps

[wind flicker]

Till u start playing with SP's and ur dream get shattered

kekw

[astral yarrow]

Very few specs bring the prio damage or 2 target that we do, so let warlocks blast aoe while we kill off relevant targets

[eager solstice]

just dont play with good ones 💯

[hazy flower]

I wouldn't say very few aagaard

but we definitely have a pretty good prio

and it's underrated i.e. nobody ever mentions it

[wind flicker]

Was about to say, there is quite a few above us

[hazy flower]

I do remember in throne on single sentinel pulls

rare cases fire mage would beat me on sentinel even without reflect

[astral yarrow]

Obviously assa or sub dumping their CDs in a single target does better lol

[hazy flower]

sp obv would gap me if he was good

[prisma heart]

i'm sure doing top 0.01% keys with giga pulls only a top 0.01% tank can coordinate successfully can make BS builds seems tasty but for the rest of us let's just stick to jugg ya kno

[eager solstice]

taking stormbolt over seismic reverberation is so troll

leaving giga damage on the table for 1 stun lmao

[hazy flower]

?

what

I cant tell if you're being sarcastic

[eager solstice]

well to be fair seismic reverberation is a very high skill cap ability

[worldly kernel]

[astral yarrow]

[hazy flower]

im so lost

kekw

[reef glade]

?

[tawny grail]

he gotta be trolling

[eager solstice]

damn yall goin crazy

[worldly kernel]

stopping a 1 shot cast > 30% whirlwind damage

[astral yarrow]

[eager solstice]

must all use stormbolt 😂

[reef glade]

yeah no shit we do

cause its better

[hazy flower]

correction, 11% ww damage

[reef glade]

than .1% overall damage

[worldly kernel]

[eager solstice]

while youre all coping with stormbolt ill be at the top of the meters with my 0.0001% extra dam

[reef glade]

ok full bait mode

respectable

[prisma heart]

I'm tryna play TWW mountain thane early access not giving up storm bolt for nothin

[astral yarrow]

[worldly kernel]

yeah imagine TWW with mop stormbolt

[timber lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/fishing-sassy-gay-choreography-lgbt-gif-22409823

[reef glade]

gyatt

[lavish snow]

Quick question, anyone using their Bullion on the AshKandur, if they don't have the lego? I don't see me getting the lego anytime soon

[latent hull]

Believe that youll get it wednesday

[lavish snow]

haha, Blizzard RNG is not with me

[gaunt owl]

yeah using bullion for asscandy isnt the play

thats the not so consolation prize

[restive flax]

For execute rotation, id ideally want to do: x2 execute, x2 OP, MS?

[latent hull]

Ms on cd,above 40rage execute below 40 overpower i think

Someone correct me on thay

That

[cerulean egret]

dont quote me on it but ive been Execute x2, MS. if MS is down, Executex2 Opx1 then MS

[hazy flower]

you're missing globals

[magic canopy]

ANGeRy

[thick kelp]

basically ms -> 3x gcd -> ms

[cerulean egret]

what globals

[magic canopy]

most of the time you spam execute so you dont overcap and waste rage

so if over 40 rage execute. if under OP cast MS before wasting 2x executioners presician stacks

or overstacking

its all about managing resource

only in reck windows will you find your self Exe 3 times into MS

[slow saddle]

Or wft

[magic canopy]

i havent had wft for months

[slow saddle]

Or a sd proc

[magic canopy]

ive forgotten its caress

[slow saddle]

Man for real feels so much better with mess sd procs

Coz now i can spend my rage agan

[inner wasp]

so part of the meta achieve is opening all fishing nets

and to unlock this fishing hole, i need to do a quest

and the quest is blocked by fyrakk assault, and by the time the assault is gone, the fishing net quest will be gone

is it over??

[somber lance]

do we have another build for aoe heavy raid encounters?

[sour forge]

AA is love

[inner wasp]

when engaging a new target, like in open world content

and i have the rage for a ms

do i just send ms or do i op first

[sour forge]

Ms

You want dw and rend on your target

Well maybe not rend since the mob will die fairly quick

[wicked aurora]

MS on CD

[astral yarrow]

[sour forge]

THE PEDRO EMOTE

might have to get nitro again

[gaunt owl]

[prisma sparrow]

guys sorry to ask bc i guess is up there somewere but i cant find it, is worth to run 2 T3 and 2 T4 over 4 T3?

[inner wasp]

is rresearchers under fire at :30 or :00

[teal echo]

at :30

[latent hull]

With aug

Criminal

[reef glade]

[inner wasp]

so with no ss up

i cleave at 3 or more targets, otherwise as filler?

[thick kelp]

https://imgur.com/WZlIezq

[reef glade]

sum like that ya

[reef glade]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-muscle-gigachad-muscle-cat-mega-cat-gif-8779495736934342086

[inner wasp]

what if the filler consumes my 2 prowess charges thatll be used on ms next gcd tho

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pillow-bite-angry-angry-cat-gif-25541136

[noble anvil]

do i rotate twice between OP and exec before MS or just go 2x exec 1x op into MS

[reef glade]

the second thing

2 exe >> either a third exe or op if not enough rage > ms

[inner wasp]

i thought u always wanted to press op once

or is that just filler to smooth the rage curve

[reef glade]

with ashen juggernaut at least on raidfights a third exe just better

[thorn sentinel]

can i do better then this logs as arms warrior with hekili ?

it is my logs as destuction

[reef glade]

but if its like "m+ st rotation" and you dont have juggernaught maybe 1 op is better

i typically just send 3 exe if i have the rage anyway

gives am/tom etc

[reef glade]

idk mang... i mean havent played lock in a long time but i mean i think it just depends on how good hekili is for that spec

[thorn sentinel]

i hate that i cant do better then grey logs

[reef glade]

do u try to look at some wowhead guides

in terms of talents/rotations etc

think there are also sometimes some "raid tips" in those too usually

other than that kinda basic stuff idrk how to actually give solid advice for ppl to improve other than maybe try watching some goo d people play your spec and see what they do

to try and understand whats going on a bit better

like streamers/youtubers for example

[thorn sentinel]

i had problem with priority list since shadowlands season 1

[inner wasp]

on 3+ targets with no ss, is ms just filler

or do i press it still

[reef glade]

i mean u can prolly press it if theres a prio target that needs to die

but for strictly overall boosting i think yea filler

[inner wasp]

also how many targets before i press ww on cd

[boreal quartz]

🐕‍🦺

[inner wasp]

vs as filler

[thorn sentinel]

i feel i play better with hekili i heared it is bad but i dont have any other choice

[boreal quartz]

3 outside of ss iirc

[boreal quartz]

i mean at some point you just understand prio and can drop it

[sacred zodiac]

if theres no prio target then sure

[inner wasp]

idc if theres a prio target!!! i need to OUT DPS PEOPLE

[sacred zodiac]

you do higher dps if you're not stuck killing a single enemy for 10 seconds after a pack because no one focused it down

[inner wasp]

woah...

[boreal quartz]

spongos do i log into my wizard

[mortal crag]

are consistent PIs on arms stronger than on mage? (since it doesnt line up on 2min same way it does for mage)

[sacred zodiac]

no

[boreal quartz]

or farm declines on warrior

[sacred zodiac]

you farm waffen krieger

[boreal quartz]

(i am applying as fury)

[sacred zodiac]

die immediately

[boreal quartz]

my gear is trash

why play

[novel hollow]

Not if u burst down everything at 3mil dps before people even get to do their openers

[sacred zodiac]

thats like 2 lower than me

[mortal crag]

.

[boreal quartz]

prolly magus cuz prio dam by defaukt

idk

[sacred zodiac]

like in m+ or st

[mortal crag]

m+

ig

or both

idk

my spriest is asking

[sacred zodiac]

st just sim it

[mortal crag]

nt i told spriest to pi me

problem solved

hes my bitch on discord anyway

[boreal quartz]

based

yeah one leg on the pc table , one hand on the keyboard and the other hand scratching his nuts feeding on the social welfare of the Scandinavian tax payers . @sacred zodiac

[sacred zodiac]

germany (scandinavia)

[boreal quartz]

[sacred zodiac]

has he been banned yet

[boreal quartz]

no

[sacred zodiac]

excellent news

[boreal quartz]

i know right

[thorn sentinel]

how are my stats as arms ?

[boreal quartz]

idk what does ur sim say

[thorn sentinel]

idk

[boreal quartz]

looks like fury gear to me

[thorn sentinel]

i am 457 item level

[atomic burrow]

stats doesnt matter at that ilvl get more gear

[boreal quartz]

yea

itll be playable

[wary needle]

do you guys all run the warlords bladestorm talents for m+?

[sour forge]

Double bs poopy

[boreal quartz]

@sacred zodiac i have 47.70% haste is this playable

[boreal quartz]

warlords is good yep

this fucks (cleave if 4p)

[wary needle]

yeah i got 4p

[somber lance]

arms fucks

[wind flicker]

I would personally change a few things here being: drop Honed reflexes and Seismic Reverbation and put the points in Frothing Berserker and Intimidating shout

[boreal quartz]

no

[somber lance]

yes

[boreal quartz]

it legit doesnt matter if ur never using fear anyways

[somber lance]

is seismic better than frothing?

for sure it has to be a lot of rage

inb4 we have too much rage anyways

[boreal quartz]

im under the impression it doesnt matter

[wind flicker]

Well idk about that statement

[boreal quartz]

you know exactly what that means

i dont care to fear

[wind flicker]

I didnt say i dont understand

I just dont agree with it

[sacred zodiac]

normal

[hazy flower]

in 10's its whatever

[boreal quartz]

its objectively not right to do

[hazy flower]

if youre planning on pushing

you should take fear

[sour forge]

Same people asking for more utility don’t even use the stuff we have

[boreal quartz]

what ya pushin bud

[boreal quartz]

i will untalent rally

[hazy flower]

im pushing 11's

[wind flicker]

Thats mostly my point

[hazy flower]

how about you

[formal widget]

What do I need to do to beat these ret palis?

[sacred zodiac]

get pushed out of the guild

[finite mantle]

push dn

[boreal quartz]

i have 3 keys on score this week

im a big gamer you know

already in weekly neltharus mode

[latent hull]

Well you cant trust overalls if ur with aug

[hazy flower]

u were saying

@boreal quartz

[latent hull]

But

[boreal quartz]

ok i cant count

[hazy flower]

no thats me

[latent hull]

Whats ur dmg profile

[hazy flower]

[somber lance]

pushing 13s

[boreal quartz]

o right i remember

[somber lance]

what u pushing

[boreal quartz]

pushin logs out

[somber lance]

not even mdi

[boreal quartz]

🚽

[hazy flower]

this is the push im doing