arms

[verbal ingot]

best spec for me would probably be mountain thane fury, just glow on every button mental overload

[proud plover]

mthane pwar

[ornate eagle]

You cleave on 4+ targets when you don't have sweeping strikes up, 7+ when Sweeping is up.

However, if you know your group is full sending aoe

And there are larger prio mobs, I like to opt to send more prio dmg with Ms into said large target

[novel hollow]

so basically big ass pulls

SS + cleave

[ornate eagle]

Cuz what's the point of killing 10 mobs but still have 1 large mob at 50% hp

[novel hollow]

like aa near tree

[ornate eagle]

And to then Single target

So instead i personally do the efficient thing and send more prio dmg

To ensure mobs die at the same time instead of half and half

[novel hollow]

and MS up to 4?

[ornate eagle]

3

[novel hollow]

kk

ty

[ornate eagle]

(atleast if your goal is just pure overall dmg)

But like the bird pulls in AA, you wanna send prio dmg into the alpha birds

Cuz the smallies will just die anyway

[nova marsh]

Or bird pulls in Neltharus

[ornate eagle]

Yah, basically attack the thing with the most hp

If you wanna do useful dmg

[nova marsh]

But my pad!

[ornate eagle]

Hate padding.

[nova marsh]

Yeah I'm just joking lol

[ornate eagle]

I was just following along dw

[proud plover]

then play bstorm, hurricane, mbg, cleave and fob

[ornate eagle]

Season 1 build

Only aoe, but do only 150k ST

[nova marsh]

I do play BS because it's the only way I do damage

[ornate eagle]

And lose to tank in ST dmg

[nova marsh]

I am a very bad warrior

[ornate eagle]

Time to git gud

[proud plover]

oh and collat

[ornate eagle]

[nova marsh]

Tier not existing

REally dosen't help

[next badger]

YOOO what should arms damage breakdown in M+ look like

[ornate eagle]

You only need 1 item to drop from raid

You got 2 catalyst charges + 1 ksm/atoc token

[nova marsh]

Or

I'd need chest or legs to drop

[ornate eagle]

Depends on key

[proud plover]

depends on the build

[nova marsh]

depends on the tank

(I'm joking)

[ornate eagle]

This is 521k from Algethar

[proud plover]

also actually does depend on the tank

[ornate eagle]

This is 525k (with Aug) in Ruby

[dire hinge]

This isn’t wrong though

[ornate eagle]

So ig MS should be top~ish

Mixed with roar

[nova marsh]

Honestly so much in keys is very tank dependant

[ornate eagle]

And DN/DW 3rd

[nova marsh]

A tank pulls like two mobs when roar is up is....actual depression

[ornate eagle]

Well yeah

But at that point I tilt off the planet and pull for the tank, which then proceeds to kill said tank and forces tank to leave

[proud plover]

scream oops, leap into pack with dbts running. and charge back to tanks mobs

[ornate eagle]

[dire hinge]

Sword and board arms time

[ornate eagle]

I'm extremely efficient in using dbts when the tank dies

[nova marsh]

My arms warrior stole from fury

[ornate eagle]

And kite master until tank comes back

Many such cases

(I could just tank myself but pwar is so mega auto pilot for me that it's not enjoyable anymore)

[dire hinge]

In HoI when the final boss turns and looks at you

[nova marsh]

I can't tank worth a shit

[ornate eagle]

Tanked a +9 algethar and did 300k dps, literally competing with the other dps for overall and beating 2 others on ST

[nova marsh]

Why I play dps

[ornate eagle]

I was off my chair

[nova marsh]

No aug?

[ornate eagle]

No aug

[proud plover]

pwar goes bur

[nova marsh]

I quit

LOL

[proud plover]

ulda key

[ornate eagle]

Like I rather solo the dps as dps

And deal with mediocre tanks

[nova marsh]

Ngl chief

those dps just have a skill issue....what is that fire mage

[ornate eagle]

Firemage in low keys is illegal

And one of the hardest dps to play

Period

Like so many people fotm roll firemage

Not knowing how fucking hard it is to play well in keys

There's several leagues of differences between a good and a good mage

Like straight up 50% dmg difference

[proud plover]

im just blasting +2's for gear tho

running 2pc only as prot and 2+2pc as arms atm

[potent portal]

Got mythic anvil in raid tonight (both arms warriors did)
I sim'd myself but raid bots is having me replace 483 Brand over my 489 Augery.

does raidbots factor in the brand dmg?

[proud plover]

yes sims factor in everything

[potent portal]

RIP 483 brand, see you again next week

[proud plover]

longer fights band gets better

[ornate eagle]

Well, sims also average out augury

And signet will absolute turbo win on longer fights

[potent portal]

what is the time on a "longer" fiht

[proud plover]

if your fights are sub 4 mins run augury+anvil = fights over 4 mins you want brand + anvil imo

[potent portal]

like 6+ mins

nvm, ty

[ornate eagle]

Anvil follows the same principle as signet

With the caveat that anvil isn't rng in how many stacks you get how quickly

[proud plover]

its > signet on shorter fights tho

[ornate eagle]

Dunno, first season of having both be relevant

[north sigil]

what are the cool kids using to sim for dungeons? dungeon slice? or x targets y mins?

[smoky kayak]

it's pretty close, Anvil stacks fully after 4m and Brand breakpoints around the same spot
TBH with how fast fights are getting, puzzle box is probably going to be BiS for everything except end bosses

[ornate eagle]

You can't go wrong with just simming single target

But dungeon slice is maintained and running

So you can actually sim arms dungeon slice

[ornate eagle]

Just turbo high-roll signet and full stack to 15 in 1.5min

(I've had that already happen multiple times and it's hilarious)

[north sigil]

I have puzzle and irideus. was surprised irideus beat out puzzle in dungeon slice (sandglass as second slot trinket)

[ornate eagle]

Double on-use kinda cringe

But the turbo loaded use of irideus in a 6min sim probably makes it look extremely good

[north sigil]

sandglass isn't on use though

[ornate eagle]

Yes that's why it says irideus+sandglass

Instead of puzzle+irideus

Cuz irideus is big oomph for short term, and sandglass is just solid

[still tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-dodge-dancing-gif-9449699

[verbal ingot]

did someone say puzzle box?

[ornate eagle]

Beg

[still tapir]

nah xD it's my alt now warrior ran enough AV on my lock to get the tome . 33 runs

[rancid knot]

why is ruby trinket simming well?

[robust ridge]

Ruby Whelp? Because it's not terrible, but it's somewhat irrelevant given the bullion system

[ornate eagle]

Rumbling ruby? Because it does uncapped aoe damage

[rancid knot]

yea i was simming for arms and it was simming better than puzzle box

[ornate eagle]

And it increases atk power

[novel hollow]

am i supposed to have mortal strikes as #1 damage?

in details

[rancid knot]

no ruby whelp

[novel hollow]

after a key

[robust ridge]

That is largely dependent on the key / pulls etc., but yeh

[ornate eagle]

If you have new 4pc

[robust ridge]

MS should be upfront

[ornate eagle]

Then yes it should be up there

[rancid knot]

i thought it was a meme trinket, but then i saw people using it and i was like wtf

[ornate eagle]

Ruby whelp shell if trained correctly can be really good

But it's basically a gambling trinket

[proud plover]

prolly the best they have atm tho

[manic stirrup]

i still think it was the best in all keys

besides maybe a tyran vo

vp

[velvet hull]

I hate to be that guy, but which Oathstone do I bind to for Arms?

[novel hollow]

its usually in the 12-15% range

[rancid knot]

ok cool good to know, i will try it out if i stumble upon it

[manic stirrup]

sim it

[warm otter]

Do you use Cleave durin your ss?

[sage badge]

DN season

[sage badge]

Yes. at 5+ targets

[warm otter]

Do we still care about sending bladestorm at the last sec of Hurricane to extend the buff on aoe?

Or do you spread your cds more out to have them on multiply pulls?

[sour forge]

I think double bs isn’t really common anymore

[sage badge]

If you play double bladestorm, then yeah. You want to bladestorm at the end of hurricane to extend it.

[novel hollow]

neltharus

[quasi heron]

Are the wowhead talents for M+ up to date?

[nova marsh]

yes

[tough steppe]

man

do you guys even use slam

[novel hollow]

no

[nova marsh]

nope

Fuck slam

[tough steppe]

like, i don't have time in my rotation to use it as a spender

[novel hollow]

its around 5-10k dps

[nova marsh]

Take it off the bar

[novel hollow]

loss

[nova marsh]

Slam is literally "hey use this if EVREYTHING is on CD"

[warm otter]

So Basicly the wowheadguide says to use bladestorm raw. Is that a bigger dps gain, then sending it with the Wb buff? Like not divide the pulls like before like every 45 sec you send avatar with one Wb and Bladestorm on next pull for max dps?

[proud plover]

well in the event you ran out of op, sos ww on cd - send tc to refresh rend - if you hit a point in aoe when you need to press slam just delete warrior tbh

[nova marsh]

"In aoe" The question wasn't about aoe to be fair

But yeah, it's a rare thing

[proud plover]

i mean even in st perssing tc will refresh rend + reset op

[nova marsh]

it's still slam's use case in the rotation thou

Even it is a literal once in a blue moon you probally fucked yourself situation

[atomic burrow]

guys is it smart to put avatar and roar on a macro to reduce button ?

[proud plover]

bladestroms power is the hurricane buff (30%) str so do you want big beefy bladtrestorm damage or beefy damage after it

[dire hinge]

hey now, 5min sims use it twice

(it's safe to reallocate those talents elsewhere)

[proud plover]

id um charge weave or something at that point lol

[dire hinge]

mostly yes it's fine, but at times you'll still want separate bindings for some builds or scenarios, so you can if you want to

[nova marsh]

Whelp

4 pc next week LOL

[proud plover]

im 4pc next week if i loot shoulders otherwise im catalysting my haste/mast pants

[nova marsh]

Got gloves and pants to send in

[proud plover]

i still have a charge atm, can cata helm but no point atm cause will be 3pc

[dire hinge]

at least it's promised next week for ya 🎉

[nova marsh]

True...also wait

The book for enchanting is EVREY CREST?

[proud plover]

its such a nice helm too

socket+avoidence worth what, 15+ ilvl?

[obsidian wave]

yo gamers, any reason why raidbots is suggesting I use frosted armor kit over fierce armor kit? Isn't the stam more value than the armor?

[proud plover]

because sim only cares about damage and you gain a slight ap bonus from the additional armor

[obsidian wave]

what is converting armor to ap in arms?

[dire hinge]

"armored to the teeth" talent, the node right above Avatar

[obsidian wave]

ty. So you all are running this enchant then? or the survivability more important for high keys

[proud plover]

stam 100%

[obsidian wave]

armor one was 2500g, while stam one is 500g

feelsbad, but ty

[proud plover]

dead dps will do less damage than alive dps, even if those dead dps had an extra 14 str

[nova marsh]

Man yall ever feel like crap gearing luck holds you back?

[proud plover]

yes

[dire hinge]

i didn't get a single max weapon one season in shadowlands

[proud plover]

#still using a 483 ring because i havent had a single one drop

[wooden knot]

I can't get a damn neck to drop

[proud plover]

ive had like 8 pairs of boots tho

no doubt ill get 4 rings in vault next week tho

to be replaced by raid ring week after

[young axle]

How it do gamers, we slapping this fine evening, getting the gear, doing the dam or something

[tough steppe]

k i think i gotta work on my rotation

[young axle]

Looks great(DoT)

[tough steppe]

say again

[young axle]

Damn, unfortunate (DoT)

[tough steppe]

i'm also using two trinkets that are awful

[lucid plinth]

hey does anyone know if we are able to the currency for "the power of dreams" helm enchant quest from bosses on multiple difficulties?

[tough steppe]

For M+

[lucid plinth]

i just did a full normal run

[tough steppe]

Idol of Trampling Hooves and Blazebinder Hoof

[surreal wigeon]

deswind are u running BS or jugger

[lucid plinth]

and wondering if it i can finish it in heroic this week

[novel hollow]

hunt and monk both 10-15ilvls over me

[surreal wigeon]

i dont think im pressing MS enough

focusing on cleave/DN too much

[novel hollow]

this was +7 BH

[worldly kernel]

not bad

wait i realized i had posted this

[novel hollow]

nobody queueing for my keys 😦

[quartz cedar]

good evening Skyhold

[novel hollow]

guess ill wait for next week and up my io

skipped last week

[sage badge]

Neither. Just FoB

[surreal wigeon]

reallY? just cuz of fort i take it?

[quartz cedar]

question....sweeping strikes says it will let abilities that normally hit 1 target hit another, yet hekili will say to use cleave in the middle of that window. Is cleave benefiting from SS or is hekili determining that its better to hit 5 targets than 1+1?

[paper summit]

is there any reward above 2k M+?

[dire hinge]

just dungeon portals for 10 if you dont have them already, and then title if you're a very top-end player

[dire hinge]

cleave does not benefit from Sweeping Strikes, but cleave is what procs your Season 4 tier bonus

it's also your AoE spencer spell in 5+ target scenarios

[quartz cedar]

thanks Hrothmar

[surreal wigeon]

@sage badge would that be only for fort week?

[verbal inlet]

had pretty good luck with the madness trinket, got it in the cache from TW Black Temple at heroic track. Anyone else use it?

[worldly kernel]

madness is actually a REALLY good trinket for us if you got it

[sage badge]

Maybe. It has good single target as well.

[surreal wigeon]

how does FOB work with DN tho?

what does the prio change to

[sage badge]

You WW as filler to proc tactician resets

[strange perch]

Gotta love getting punished for not want to respawn while being camped by two bot hunters

[surreal wigeon]

hmm ill give er a try

[gray steeple]

Yes. It’s been solid for MT. Less so for ST.

[hollow wave]

my raidbots prioritizes cleave even at 4+ somehow

in SS

even at +3 actually

[brave crypt]

Wait, are you supposed to stack overpower twice for cleave/mortal strike or just use them on cd reset

[nova marsh]

Ms is on cd

Always

[worn quiver]

for M+ Signet feels kinda iffy
would icon be good or is it one of those items it needs more people using it to be viable? i was also looking at aug + anvil together?
i did a droptimizer saying signet and icon is like the best of the best

[wary needle]

ive been trying to do the switch from fury to arms

when im simming, my 4p with fury is barely worse than my 4p with arms: see sims

arms: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rcPtjp1ve5ygNaoUAoXnBH
fury: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7nG7iXGFeVMQRBdXjmaWcd

am i messing up somewhere? i used the arms m+ spec from wowhead

is it the fact its an aoe build used on a ST?

[hollow wave]

you are using annihilator with s2 fury set? Something is very off

[wary needle]

oh, right, im so dumb

i havent updated my talents for the s4 set, just stuck with the old talents with my s3 because i havent yet catalysted the two pieces for 4p yet

but arms seems way off, which is whats frustrating to me

[hollow wave]

I mean, since you fucked up with fury build, fury should do way less damage than arms, somehow it didn't happen

[wary needle]

yeah lol

but thats why im thinking ST vs AOE

[proud plover]

because in those sims yourr arms warrior is using a 502 ilvl leggo and the fury sim is using a 522 leggo

update sim to both use 522 and see a big difference

[steep osprey]

my DN is never that high

Feels like I'm doing something wrong or maybe im not using OP as much

[proud plover]

op/dn with ss is your aoe, using cleave and bladestom only buffs it (hurricane and tier)

[wary needle]

Fucking lol'd Jesus Christ

I will forever remain SmallDan in your presence

[proud plover]

haha

glad i could help

[wary needle]

+17k dps with that, so thats nice

but does madness beat augury or dragon games since someone above mentioned that madness is actually pretty good in m+?

i need to sim the fury with fury talents of s4 though

[proud plover]

And then try a st jugg build on a 5m patchwork sim

Instead of a bladestorm aoe build with 5m patchwork only, try 5xpatchwork or boss +add wave

Not at my pc can't remember

[wary needle]

isnt the shockwave very useful for m+? since the standard wowhead build doesnt have it

[frigid lava]

I take shockwave anyway

I take int shout, shockwave, sbolt

[proud plover]

It can be useful and a life saver, depending on tank and group comp and its only a 1-2% dps loss from cruel strikes to take it

[strange perch]

whats the good uptime for BSL?

[astral yarrow]

Biggest problem with it is that it’s a bad stun. Bad use just means that you stun DR the mobs off of better stuns

[astral yarrow]

Where

[magic canopy]

man i just really dont like ignore pain

wish we would have never gotten it and just received a stamina buff in the tree

[strange perch]

i mean either keys or raid

Im deciding on what embellishment is for next week

lariat or BSL neck

[wary needle]

i went with the bracers with +vers, do i go for lariat next week? i thought lkariat was quite subpar for warriors these seasons due to bislists, but im also a really bad player l0l

[strange perch]

Thats why im asking about BSL

Im crafting a neck next week, wether its torc with BSL or Lariat

[wary needle]

aaah

did you sim it?

[lucid lotus]

Is there any wa to track if tier active? I dont find anyone

[fossil thistle]

You can make one to track the buff spell ID

[outer holly]

I'm pretty sure someone here has a personal note on me that says "Do not trust their sims"

[wary needle]

because i was tempted to craft my second embellishment item this week, but not sure if BSL, lariat or something else would be the best

[wary needle]

r u a big boy liar? or is it because you threaten the simulator with your knife

[outer holly]

I may have been accidentally simming a dual wieldings Arms war wondering where all my extra damage was coming from

[somber lance]

just to confirm, we cast TR before smash because we don't care about initial dmge on TR?

[gaunt owl]

Fight me

[magic canopy]

im about to macro IP into OP

[proud plover]

correct, as long as the dot is inside you cooldowns

[limber bear]

TR?

[proud plover]

thundeous roar

[terse plume]

so a bit new to using arms in m+ what does the ST rotation look like in the execute phase without executiones precision? it it just spam execute and hit mortal strike for rend refresh?

in the full aoe/bs build

[proud plover]

ms > exex3 > ms or ms > 2xexe + 1op > ms

what build isnt using ep?

[somber lance]

we dont care about 2 stacks of EP with m+ build?

[terse plume]

several of the top rated warriors on r aider.io dont take it

[proud plover]

every build uses ep

[terse plume]

for m+ specifically

[strange perch]

Yeah but requires ti know the expected uptime on bal

[latent moss]

max aoe builds

stupid builds basically

[proud plover]

mbg over ep wow

no mass either, they just full send aoe for buffed cleaves

as to those rules, no idea

[latent moss]

its just execute spam iirc

[limber bear]

tbh i basically went toe to toe with a 501 arms warrior (i was 504 at the time) going full aoe build, and i was using hybrid build. Beat him out in the end by like 20k dps total

[proud plover]

ethical dps v aoe pad

[limber bear]

exactly

[elfin sage]

Is dungeon slice the way to go for simming for m+?

[limber bear]

he may have went ham and cheese during add pulls, but i always pulled ahead on bosses

[terse plume]

ironically looking through more top m+ profiles its a mix but theres literally only one talent choice change between most, like I said am brand new to running arms in m+ but since fury sucks absolute dumpster fire right now, took it as an opporutnity to play something Im not as familar with

[flat vine]

fury isnt all that far behind in m+, it's just turbo ass in raid

[terse plume]

true numbers wise its close in m+ but I can never be okay with the s2 playstyle again

its god awful coming back too it

[proud plover]

fury is amazing in m+ with the right tank pulling 1 pack at a time

[outer holly]

[proud plover]

5t cleave king

[terse plume]

yeah thats the issue is I have good tanks they pull 3-4 packs that target limit was starting to reeaaaly hurt

[somber lance]

implying you have a tank to play around a subpar spec

doesnt happen

[limber bear]

give us any sort of single target priority tho and we pull ahead

[terse plume]

honestly with good m+ tanks arms higher effective target count was doing much better for me

and I was 100% fucking stuff up cause I just started dipping my toes in today

[proud plover]

its better in 1-3t and 6t+ arms > fury

[flat vine]

been bouncing back and forth between the 2.....pug tanks i've had for 14's are terrified of bolstering and pulling small

[proud plover]

but why bring a fury fo 5t when rogues, and rets exist right

[somber lance]

bring the player xd

[flat vine]

why bring a warrior at all if ur meta'ing

[somber lance]

noxiv looks like hes doing fine

[proud plover]

not even meta comps

[terse plume]

yeah Im not some hardcore rating pusher so I just do stuff thats fun, not having to play s2 fury for effectively the 3rd season in a row made arms appealing

[proud plover]

im just happy its not arms s2 because that made me swap to fury then bench warr for aug

[terse plume]

yeah arms s2 was pretty lack luster tier wise as well

tier 3 would have been fine to me for arms as well played it a bit before the end of the season was fun enough lol

[limber bear]

from all the arms i played in s3, the tier bonus was fun

[steel portal]

hey guys I enjoy my fury war's simple rotation but I wanna try arms. Is that one about the same difficulty?

[errant bough]

mortal strike

[proud plover]

i like s3 arms, i like the build diversity of s1 arms

[somber lance]

arms is more difficult for sure

[limber bear]

ok, i sleep

[rancid knot]

why is the st build on wowhead different from the most popular st build on archon?

[proud plover]

not difficult at all

[somber lance]

fury is ooga booga in comparison

not even close imo

[terse plume]

yeah arms is only ever hard when rage managment exists, it hasnt pretty much since s1

[steel portal]

what about the number of buttons? :>

arms vs fury

[terse plume]

I mean, considering everything past ms op and execute are just wonky rage dumps they arent super hard to consider

[proud plover]

arms = prio rotation (ms > sd > op (to reset ms) > ww/tc (to reset op) and you just follow prio - diff prio for diff target counts
fury = generate the most rage with the highest damaging ability to spend it all on rampage and press ww to enable cleave

[steel portal]

both of these sound pretty fun

[terse plume]

both specs are prio lists pretty much at all times, its how most classes work in the modern game

furys current iteration is just the dumbest version thats been around for awhile

[proud plover]

fun is subjective - both are fairly simple

[proud plover]

haha yeah let my weak aura tell me when to press something!

[rancid knot]

is slam garbo for season 4?

[terse plume]

yeeeep s3 was so much more engaging to me personally lol you actually got rewarded with no gcd gaps if you did the rotation correctly lol

[wicked aurora]

it's wild how people will be cringe and just not invite you even when you crank

[astral yarrow]

It’s gonna vary a lot. 25% on mythic sennarth, 82% in a weekly key. About 40-45% on other progress bosses (although it was high in Aberrus)

[proud plover]

yes in aoe you never -press it and in st you almost neve press it (5m sims used slam twice)

[rancid knot]

not sure why most popular st build on archon has 2 talent points on crushing force

[terse plume]

its so low on the priority list you almost never hit it, I think i saw a guy slam once in a 10min fight lol

[steel portal]

I played with a big arms warr in brackenhide +10 yesterday, he had over 600k overall ;O

[sour ice]

what tinkets are you guys prio for M+?

[wicked aurora]

sounds like a giga chad

[steel portal]

he was! 😛

[flat vine]

gigachad *tank

[wicked aurora]

puzzle is huge for M+

I just wanna do a 10 RLP man, it's the only dungeon I don't have a teleport for this season and I can't land a group 😦

I can't believe me typing "Big dong" in my application note isn't getting me invited

[gaunt owl]

they are scared of your magnum dong !

i'm 99% sure i get invited because my ilvl is huge

[gaunt owl]

dont look at them they got dented doing too many m+

[proud plover]

thing about top m+ warriors is you arent running the stuff they are

[terse plume]

yeah I was looking through and it was a mixed bag, so Ill probably go with the guild with a bit more balance for ST/aoe with EP

[gaunt owl]

most of their build are clunky

like they take EP without Massacre

or go double bladestorm

when its giga padding for no reason

they only care about their shitty overall metric

and do actually 0 prio dmg

[proud plover]

cause pulling 7+ packs onto something and sending lust so pad aoe > st execute/ms

[gaunt owl]

on this week

its even more silly

[proud plover]

tue

[gaunt owl]

have fun bolstering the giga target

so you set yourself up for failure

the first few week

dont look at top raider.io

[proud plover]

by the time they kill said giga turet bolstering has droppeed off

[gaunt owl]

its all worth nothing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1235967223672344706/image.png?ex=6636f46d&is=6635a2ed&hm=e3027206008217a3c740a5040b116a7dde4e9586ff2398d66944f7c46fccc16d&

so i did this overall yesterday with some good giga pull

and not going double bladestorm because its useless

and it was kind of a clown show too we died on first pull

[thick kelp]

But Ppaww, bizentein is running double BS it must be good !

[gaunt owl]

he got a simp comp

padding isnt the way

[wicked aurora]

yeah I'm a baby, only 510

[somber lance]

look

[gaunt owl]

@steel portal hi

lol didnt see he was there

[frigid lava]

what's huge

I'm just over 510... no invite for this baby

[gaunt owl]

515

[frigid lava]

Maybe I will get leggo next week... then probably still have to wait another week for upgrade.

[gaunt owl]

having lego 535 is the biggest upgrade you should have gotten this week but well when no lego

[wicked aurora]

honestly I need to loot gloves

[proud plover]

im still 500 :(( wtb rings and trinket

[wicked aurora]

gloves and bracers are the only things I have left at under 500ilvl

[frigid lava]

hit 2000 score and exchange the token for a heroic tier

[wicked aurora]

but bracers are getting recrafted up to 525 next week

[frigid lava]

I just recrafted the bracer today.

[wicked aurora]

went with neck

[proud plover]

haha just had a thought, i charge 5k for r5 bracer but i should be charging ret pallies 10k

[frigid lava]

Neck is likely my next craft

[wicked aurora]

neck was simming as largest upgrade for crafting

@gaunt owl why sim weird, 33% haste and it made me re-enchant mastery

[frigid lava]

I need a mouse by the way... right click feels weird as hell in the game.

it clicks intermittently

[gaunt owl]

its because of the many little haste break point

[wicked aurora]

I'm also not being too serious

me listen to robot man

[gaunt owl]

if you dont get the right amount of it, robot just ignore it 😄

[frigid lava]

I'm currently on logitech 502. I want to try a new brand. Any recommendation

[wicked aurora]

my stats are...interesting lol

[wicked aurora]

logitech g600, get you them buttons

[frigid lava]

I've been using logitechs since the 90s. Very reliable... but somehow it feels very weird with right click. Is it the software... or wtf

[wicked aurora]

I don't have whatever you're talking about

both my clicks feel the same

[frigid lava]

it started this week.

it clicks off target sometimes... hella annoying

cuz u know... u kinda hold on to those buttons as u move around.

[fathom shoal]

That happens with the 502 (the ones I've had anyways ) the clicker wears out eventually and it's a real pain to use in wow. I usually get about two good years out of the mouse before that happens

[frigid lava]

Funny.. it's actually my 2nd one.

First one lasted years without issue... and this one is only 3months old

[wicked aurora]

I haven't managed to kill a g600 yet

[fathom shoal]

Im on my third. Luckily this one has lasted about three years

[wicked aurora]

but idk if they even make them still

[fathom shoal]

Yep i@think some are lemons

[boreal quartz]

This reels 447 ilvl stats lmao

[frigid lava]

Guess I stepped on a lemon

[fathom shoal]

There is a two year manufacturers warranty on it I think? Might be able to get a free one sent to you if you go thru the customer support

[frigid lava]

I'm in Korea right now and this is a bulk not retail

[fathom shoal]

Ahhh 😦

[frigid lava]

product lineup is different here too

I'm looking at another logitech.

[fathom shoal]

Gl 😉

[steel portal]

lol hi 😛

[gaunt owl]

its not good for my ego that you said i was big in here

[steel portal]

😄

it's true, you went nuts yesterday

[gaunt owl]

the tank pulled good too

its 99% of why i could pull it off

time for happy hour promised my friend it is time

[frigid lava]

I recently started running BS build..

I open charge->avatar->warbreaker->tc->troar->bs

doing it right?

[proud plover]

thats for big bladestorm damage yes or you can charge > tc > roar > cleave > bs > wb

[frigid lava]

wb after? hmmm

cleave is for the tier proc i guess

[proud plover]

yeah while buffed by huricane

[wicked aurora]

Not sure if you really wanna WB after BS

Assuming single bs build

[proud plover]

so to explain a little more - roar dot is 16 secs its upfront damage is small so its fine to send before - as long as its inside avatar (20 secs) and hurricane (6 secs) and wb (10 secs) you did max roar damage.
cleave to proc tier (8% bonus dam)
you can game for a big bladestorm by wb before OR you can game for a bigger hurricane window and op/cleave spam by sending wb right after

[wicked aurora]

Don’t think the maths mathing

You’re losing out on CDR on WB

[proud plover]

what by sending it inside bladestorm wqhen youy cant spend rage?

[wicked aurora]

That’s still time it’s ticking down

That adds up over the course of a key

[frigid lava]

I do WB before BS to have troar dots in the longest overlap window.

[proud plover]

^

its the same either way

[fossil thistle]

I think i do something along the lines of charge cleave Tclap avatar WB roar BS cleave SS op x2 cleave 🤔

[proud plover]

roar before, it saves you a global inside your wb for something else

[wicked aurora]

^

[fossil thistle]

Fair

I know I have little bits to improve. I tend to be around 375-400k overall

507 4pc last season trinkets sad

[cold vigil]

CS still doesnt buff fatality right?

and avatar

[boreal quartz]

neither do buff it

[proud plover]

only tom buffs it but playing around that is dog

[boreal quartz]

but worth

:)

[rose matrix]

During execute should you be doing execute > execute > op > ms or just 3 executes

[wicked aurora]

Both

[fossil thistle]

Both

[cold vigil]

depends on your rage

[wicked aurora]

Depends on your current rage

[cold vigil]

if you have rage to spend keep mashing exe

if not do OP to get rage

[proud plover]

40 rage exe
< 40 rage op

[fossil thistle]

^

If you have a friendly priest who gives you PI during execute window you can go brrr with executes

Priests will always be friendly and provide PI if you’re 30-35% of groups damage too 👀

[frigid lava]

PI messes up my rotation sometimes.

like... +100% haste

crazy quick gcd

[quasi torrent]

jus don't be old

[fossil thistle]

Yea when you 2x execute MS it’s interesting

Still fun 😄

[cold vigil]

exe exe ms

exe exe exe ms

Oh1

i got another question i almost forgot

does recklesness from CS and Avatar stack duration?

or overwrite?

[proud plover]

adds to

[cold vigil]

ok

[fossil thistle]

You get like 10a

10s*

[cold vigil]

yeah

and recklesness buffs rage gain and crit right?

havent played fury

[proud plover]

yep

[cold vigil]

arms ftw

[proud plover]

20% crit and 100% rage gen

[fossil thistle]

Recklessness makes brrr become BRRR

[proud plover]

cosmetic rage bar

[cold vigil]

cosmic rage bar 😄

i saw one arms with dreamrender on my lvl(i dont have lego) and his dps was the same so i checked his dmg and saw 8% slam dmg

lol

[proud plover]

i mean in ST with extremly bad rng slam is a button to press - in s3 tier it was decent cause you didnt need to press tc

[fossil thistle]

^

[cold vigil]

havent played in s3

but here it just seems bad to press slam instead of tc

[fossil thistle]

If you have s3 tier still you would still be pressing it I guess

[cold vigil]

you can run out of rage and get yourself not spamming gcd for like a few seconds

[fossil thistle]

It does

[proud plover]

bad rng might have you with storm of swords ww and tc both on cd with no op charges

[fossil thistle]

Arms with low haste just feels bad ngl

[proud plover]

it happens

[fossil thistle]

That too

[rose matrix]

What is low haste for Arms?

[fossil thistle]

Press button is more dps then sitting at 80lbs he with nothing to press

[proud plover]

learn to charge weave, you will need it again in tww

[fossil thistle]

I like to be around 34%+

[proud plover]

sub 30% is low

[rose matrix]

Damn I am at 21%

lmao

[proud plover]

yeah fuck that lol

[fossil thistle]

I think currently in my M+ fear I’m 46/42/21/17

[rose matrix]

Switched from fury tho this season. Never played arms till now

[fossil thistle]

Yea get more haste

Honestly two big haste rings would probably be enough for it to play better for you

[rose matrix]

I was really lazy with M+ first week. Just gotta farm out some items

[fossil thistle]

I uh

May have done a lot of M+ (for me) to the point my back and neck are sore, and my hands feel swollen 😂

Probably about 20-25 keys this week, ran aberrus 3x and that was all after work play.
I’m off Saturday-Monday so with all this extra free time I guess I’ll just keep trying to farm rings and trinkets

[proud plover]

^ same

declined from +2's all day trying to get a ring/trinket/shoulders

[fossil thistle]

Brudder same

I need hero rings, any s4 trinkets that are half decent, and a chest and instead I get 3 weapons

[rose matrix]

The archon website looks so much worse than the other one they bought imo

[acoustic tundra]

mythicstats.com is closer to subcreation

no raid stats though

[rose matrix]

I do prefer that website for sure. Archon has a lot of info but I feel the layout is kinda messy

[agile dew]

should i spam OP (dreadnaught) with SS on aoe?

[latent moss]

yes

[sour ice]

what piece of gear do you not want to be set

[thick kelp]

legs

[obtuse bear]

arms noob here, still learning on target dummy.

Do I have to spam overpower twice for max martial prowess before I cleave?

[calm elm]

If cleave is off and you have the rage in AoE you cleave, Martial prowess or not.

[obtuse bear]

Ok

Also I'm confused about Sweeping Strikes

Do I ever use it?

Only on 2 target fight?

Otherwise it's 3+ target = cleave?

[calm elm]

Use it in AoE as well. It makes OP do double the dreadnought waves.

[obtuse bear]

oh

So after I blow my cooldowns and bladestorm, I press sweeping into overpower into cleave

into whirlwind

something like that?

[calm elm]

If you have Fevor, which you probably should, first move would be WW out of your CD’s with Smash still rolling, then probably TC for rend, then SS / OP / Cleave.

[obtuse bear]

I don't have fervor.

I'm using the build from wowhead.

[calm elm]

Oh Storm

Not fevor, I may be sleep deprived.

Also you would skip the TC because of Bladestorm.

[obtuse bear]

I would charge, TC, avatar, smash, bladestorm.

then Sweeping, op then cleave.

is that correct?

[agile dew]

i would cleave early on to activate the 4 piece

[somber lance]

we play fervor in warlords torment BS build?

[calm elm]

In the giga AoE yes.

But all builds run Storm of Swords and it makes WW very good in AoE with Smash up.

[somber lance]

yeah i dont have fervor

[calm elm]

Well maybe not the full ST.

[somber lance]

from the archi build on wowhead

also i can drop endurance training for seismic?

[obtuse bear]

meaning i cleave first before popping bladestorm?

[calm elm]

Eh, I mean yes it would be more damage, but the 5% does apply to IP and can help save your ass in higher keys.

[agile dew]

i do Charge > TC > Ava > WB > WW > Cleave > TR > HoI Trinket > Bladestorm into aoe rotation

[calm elm]

Though personally I would use it for DR reduction or something over seismic.

[agile dew]

you can fish 1 more cleave crit before bladestorming to secure the 8% dmg increase if your opener is too slow

[obtuse bear]

Okie thanks.

I'll try

There's just too many shit to press

[calm elm]

Yea the something being the crit, if I was taking out the Stamina for more damage.

[obtuse bear]

compared to fury

omg

information overload

[somber lance]

feels like everyone has a different opener as well....

[obtuse bear]

Yeah the information on wowhead isn't too good and there's like not much fixed information

Seems pretty fluid.

It's good but I mean not too clear.

[calm elm]

It’s generally three Tiers. MS and Cleave, always press those if they are up. Then OP, then WW and Thunderclap if you run out of OP.

But yea, compared to fury which us losely 5 buttons and one of them is the short CD and the other is I AoE now it does have a lot more going on.

[obtuse bear]

Does it make sense to macro WB + avatar together?

To try and save a button

[naive sage]

Of course

avatar is off the gcd

And syncing cds is almost always a good idea

[wary raft]

ideally u press them separately bc WB/CS has a slight delay but end of the day play how u want if u dnt care about min maxing

[naive sage]

?

Like 0.1 seconds

Which is not important at all

And saves you a key bind

[wary raft]

ok?

thats why I said "ideally" and "if you dont care about min max"

and told him to play how he wants

[naive sage]

What having 2 different buttons that in the end have the same purpose has to do with min maxing

[wary raft]

you save a global in avatar

[naive sage]

No lol

[wary raft]

sure thing man

I cba arguing this

[naive sage]

Avatar is off the gcd and is cast simultaneously with WB

That’s the purpose of the macro

What are you even talking about

[wary raft]

and if you press the global before the gcd is up for wb like everyone does

guess what you just lost a global

[gaunt owl]

cant really say its wasted

you used it

[naive sage]

The solution is not to spam buttons like a monkey

[gaunt owl]

i strongly advise against macro like this

[naive sage]

Which is like the simplest thing ever

[somber lance]

tbh i thought we used TR before WB so idk why you would macro them

[gaunt owl]

they talking about Avatar / WB

abilities that are on the GCD should never ever be macro

the few macro that are advised is the stance one

and some mouseover macro

[naive sage]

Honestly when I used 2 different buttons they desynced a lot more than having only 1

[hazy flower]

People think of too many macros

Like its gonna make the gameplay better

While saving 1 keybind

[wary raft]

if you fuck up your cd timing enough, the 1 button macro will help you

but just press your cds

on cd

and if we are talking about raid u dont really need to worry about cs likeing up with ava

[still tapir]

quick question guys . if we left deios hardmode unkilled . if we go back is it still hard mode or not

[naive sage]

I have avatar on the V key, warbreaker on 2, trinket on Shift-C, now tell me how spreading my hand across the keyboard or even worse change my muscle memory should be better that waiting until the gcd is off to press a single button that does all of the above

[naive sage]

No I can tell it for sure because I fucked it up with some guildmates

[wary raft]

nobody mentioned anything about a trinket, also seems you should set your binds to be more comfortable

but again

[still tapir]

yea we spent 1hour on deios last night cause of a healer that was already oom before p2

[wary raft]

its a min max thing, so play however tf u want

if u dont care about it

[hazy flower]

Healer oom? 💀

[still tapir]

shammy

tank was hasty with his picks

[hazy flower]

Its hard on the tank but

It shouldnt be that hard on the healer

[wary raft]

if u died the hard mode should be fucked, I think it still drops champion gear though? im unsure havent done it this patch

but he will still be there yeah

[still tapir]

instead of ramping cloud burst , he just spam chain heal

[hazy flower]

Hard mode is not same as deathless

[wary raft]

oh is it not? I thought it was mb

[hazy flower]

U can have 3000 deaths in hard mode

Deathless gives you myth track loot from last boss

[naive sage]

The thing that I’m trying to say is that if you don’t have your buttons really close you have to do quite the unnecessary movements and in the end you won’t get that much benefit from trying to min max. If you have for example avatar on Z and warbreaker on X then you’re perfectly fine, assuming you’re waiting for the gcd to go off

[wary raft]

I did deathless in s2 and thought it was what was considered hard mode of the dng

[hazy flower]

Hard mode hero from every

[naive sage]

No, that’s the deathless run that drops myth gear. If you do the hard mode instance with dying, you get hero loot

[hazy flower]

Cant recall season 2 because I didnt do it back then but yeah, I did hard mode on thursday a week ago and we were clowning a bit (hunt didnt feign death iridk so killed 3 people) and got hero from everything ye

[hazy flower]

Correction, drops myth gear from last boss only

[wary raft]

well, when someone is asking advice on what is optimal, im not going to ask them what their binds are and if they make sure they do everything right prior to just telling them what is optimal to the best of my ability and I have to trust they understand how to press the keybindings they set

[naive sage]

Yes ofc

[wary raft]

thats dope, had no idea of the difference perhaps ill have to go there

[wary raft]

yeah idk I dont remember the differentiation between hard mode and deathless ever being a thing in my experience, but I never did doti a huge amount, just made sure to get achieve and mog

[cyan lagoon]

So what's the hardmode then?

[naive sage]

At the beginning of the dungeon there is some kind of role play with Nozdormu and Chromie but tbh I do not know exactly how to do it

[cyan lagoon]

I thought it was throwing the 4 time pieces in the 4 portals spawned by deios

[naive sage]

But it goes like this
Regular run = champion loot
Hard mode with deaths = hero loot
Hard mode deathless = hero loot + myth loot from Deios only

[naive sage]

That’s for the achievement I think

But do not trust my word

[cyan lagoon]

Hard mode is figuring out what the hard mode is

Got it

[thick kelp]

u talk to nozdormu

and it starts hardmode

[weary leaf]

on AOE hybrid build, is there a way to keep rend up on all targets? feels meh to press TC

[proud plover]

only press tc

[somber lance]

EP stacks dont show as buffs right?

[wary raft]

debuff

[latent moss]

its a target debuff

they should make ep a buff and make it apply to cleave as well

imagine exe exe cleave

[proud plover]

just make cleave talent cause ms to cleave to all targets in front of you for damage split and have everything that interacts with ms interact with cleave

make it a choice node with damage bonus to ms as the other option so there is a clear st and aoe option

shit make it a choice node with eb

[sturdy jewel]

What best race for m+

[wary raft]

dwarf pretty good

good for dps and real good for defensive beneit assuming pushing

[hazy flower]

Dwarf or nelf

[latent hull]

Tauren

More hp so u can use sark cloak

(Its dwarf or nelf)

[sage badge]

Whatever race looks coolest to you.

[wary raft]

[latent hull]

Gnome?

[sage badge]

I'm gnome

[daring heron]

gnelf

[sturdy jewel]

Is dark iron as good as normal

[boreal quartz]

Almost

[sage badge]

Slightly worse in terms of dps. Not enough to matter

[boreal quartz]

Since it wants u to press it for stats rather than purely defensive

[quaint otter]

Is it me or its just impossible to pug into +8 key?

[latent hull]

Crit whens the race change to gnome

[zenith warren]

so people used to say race is only cosmetic but I simmed all races yesterday and there is actually 10k dps gap between tauren and vuplera

pretty significant

[astral yarrow]

About 200 other dps players signing for that key, 50 with 300 io on you and 30 with 10 ilvls on you

[quaint otter]

i mean i try to reg +8 myself and have a dead reg 🙂

[scenic umbra]

Im 518 2500 still using my key

[astral yarrow]

Wtf does reg mean

[scenic umbra]

Because it takes me 20m to find a 10

[quaint otter]

lfg lobby

[astral yarrow]

I’m still clueless 😦

[quaint otter]

this thing

[olive nest]

Just apply to all keys

Sometimes it takes a while

But you’ll get one

[zenith warren]

im 20min queue rn waiting for a tank - halls 9

[quaint otter]

fuck it better play another game

[zenith warren]

maybe people dont remember that bolstering is from 10 and higher

[olive nest]

If your 2100 io applying to somebody’s key that is 2800 of course they’re going to ignore you

It is what it is

[astral yarrow]

Oh, yeh, but same thing applies. You might have lower io than the other key holders so you are less attractive 🤷‍♀️

[quaint otter]

im reging into +8s hello

[olive nest]

Gotta keep up with score or you’re going to have a harder time getting invited

[livid cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-wth-wtf-really-meme-gif-12307575020713994077

[astral yarrow]

Is lfg called reg in Eastern Europe or

I have never heard that before

[olive nest]

Idk wth a reg is either

Lmao

[astral yarrow]

Not even our Russian knows what it is

[quaint otter]

🤷‍♀️

[olive nest]

Do you mean que?

[quaint otter]

yep

[olive nest]

Ahh

[livid cloak]

Yeah its rough trying to get into keys. I zoomed mine up to a plus 12 and couldn't get any apps so I had to drop it back down to a 9 before people started apping

[quaint otter]

its weird tho

[olive nest]

So reg is que in some form of communication got it

[livid cloak]

It's weird rn

[quaint otter]

cuz any russian community knows what does it mean

[astral yarrow]

Idk. We picked up the guy from some wr 300 guild I think

[quaint otter]

"for fun" season

the funniest season to race around fountain

[livid cloak]

I have only played a little this season but arms seems really fun rn

[quaint otter]

true

[livid cloak]

Get that Mongo trading post sword

[cinder remnant]

Guys, I have a question. I didn't quite understand what Archi wrote about Cleave in updates-dragonflight. "Only use Cleave with 2 stacks of Martial Prowess", but sometimes there is a GCD, where I don't have eighter OP, WW, TC or CDs with only 1 or 0 stacks of Martial Prowess. Should I send Cleave there anyway or do like Slam to wait for OP to give me the second stack of MP? :/

[astral yarrow]

Rather press something than nothing

[sage badge]

Could press rend if you need to apply/refresh.

This is why I prefer FoB over SD (and no storm of swords) for this situation. Whirlwind guarantees a reset.

Smooths out your aoe gameplay

[astral yarrow]

Hecking love FoB

[olive nest]

do you guys keep slam talents with fob

or just use it as a tool to build two mp stacks for cleave by reseting op

[sage badge]

I pick up crushing force. Drop bounding stride and overwhelming rage for it.

But can play without if you want utility.

Its mostly for tactician resets anyway

[livid cloak]

Where does Sudden death procs/execute fall in priority in aoe? I find myself hardly ever pressing it unless I have sweeping up and 4 targets or less

Is that right?

Doing OP, WW, tclap, and cleave instead

[sage badge]

Sounds about right

[gaunt owl]

like Deswind said

if you go FoB you have to go for Slam talent

[daring heron]

yeah SD procs are mostly ignored in aoe unless you're trying to maximise prio damage

[gaunt owl]

or no points doing it either

[livid cloak]

👍 ty

[olive nest]

thanks for the info I'm going to give it a "whirl" sd procs always get wasted in keys it feels like so having a tool to reset op sounds nice

[sage badge]

Season of DN

[olive nest]

love DN

[latent moss]

do you cleave

surely u do for 4p right

like op cleave spam and ww for tactician

[sage badge]

I cleave at the start for 4p. Then OP > Cleave prio

[somber lance]

am i casting MS too much? it's a RLP

[latent moss]

bro tf

is this auguru

6.2%

what are you

ret?

[sage badge]

MS owns. Looks fine to me

[somber lance]

i have good rng with augury it saved me well in s3

its still my best trink even tho its booboo for arms xd

[latent moss]

ms fucks

[latent hull]

Good pro dmg

[stiff wedge]

Augury fks for me too

[latent hull]

Prio*

[soft fox]

well you have to consider augury doesnt give strength

[somber lance]

i bet you arms boys are flooded with questions now that all the furries are switching for s4

[astral yarrow]

It doesn’t feel like more than usual

[lean heron]

most of them probably rerolled monk

[astral yarrow]

But #fury is full doom

[raven nymph]

Voting s2 will do that.

[quaint otter]

monk got shit tier set too

[burnt gale]

hey all, as a semi casual with limited number of Aspect crest, is it better to upgrade legendary or craft my pieces first?

[mild hound]

what priortiy does execute take on a mob in exe range in a pack of mobs in a key? let say 4+

[latent hull]

Legendary

[quaint otter]

lego ofc

[burnt gale]

ty

[somber lance]

DN dmge on details is just the shockwave right?

[astral yarrow]

Yes

[sage badge]

Low in aoe. Pretty much filler unless you want to prio kill a target.

[mild hound]

im assuming it changes when 3 and under when were going back to ms?

[halcyon breach]

Deswind did you check the diff between OP -> Cleave spamming

Compared to Cleave with 2x MP

[sage badge]

Yeah

[sage badge]

In raw aoe its 1% diff

[astral yarrow]

Arms in a nutshell

[latent moss]

fury players dooming over boss damage when the point of the spec for the past idk how many expansions was to deal with the adds

[sage badge]

But spending OP first does more prio

[quaint otter]

yeah was okay on diurna and rasz

[astral yarrow]

I think it’s more just people who enjoy fury more than anything having what they enjoy harder to do content with 🤷‍♀️

[somber lance]

ah so i can actually just spam cleave and OP on 3+ targets like a dent? without looking at MP?

[raven nymph]

It could be worse. They could be assa rogues.

[naive sage]

Yet still you get kicked just after being invited when they see you're arms (like it happened yesterday to me)

[astral yarrow]

My old guilds rogue is really enjoying assa in dungeons because of the sudden demise talent

[naive sage]

haha arm pvp spec xd

[somber lance]

compared to what? fury? arms is objectively better in all content atm

[naive sage]

Unbelievable how much damage has wotlk done to the people's brain

[naive sage]

They do not know

[quaint otter]

i think under 5 targets sweeping ms is > cleave ?

[raven nymph]

The spec itself isn’t bad, the tuning is

[latent moss]

arms just has shit reputation

[somber lance]

with sweeping its 5 yes. was just referring to whithout

[naive sage]

True, although it misses one ST combo point spender imo, envenom is strong but not enough

[sage badge]

So basically, you can prioritize cleave first in aoe which is mostly 1% gain. While spending OP gives you 4%~ priority damage. So its a tradeoff. In large pulls like tree boss trash in academy, cleave prio can be better.

[astral yarrow]

Yeah, just like fury. Doesn’t mean it can’t be enjoyed. I’ve enjoyed arms more most of this xpac and have played it after progress regardless of whether it’s good or not

Somehow it ends up getting buffed every tier

[raven nymph]

Already way too button bloated.

[astral yarrow]

5% ms, 5% dn eks dee

[naive sage]

And this is also true, but it feels a bit crippled to me as a spec

[halcyon breach]

Thank you Deswin

[raven nymph]

Long dot specs will do that. Why feral feels way better gameplay wise imo

[naive sage]

Ferocious bite goes

[sacred moon]

Is fyralath drop rate increased since s4?

[olive nest]

DN OWNS

[sage badge]

Deeznaughts

[olive nest]

LOL

love it

[mint delta]

i just got rid of alchemical flavor pocket T_T

[olive nest]

Yoinkin that details name homie

so funny

[gaunt owl]

detials name are only shown for guildies sadly

now i'm Dented

but only my guildmates can enjoy the dent

[latent moss]

there was a wa

[astral yarrow]

“Where leggo”

[latent moss]

that showed it to everyone

[gaunt owl]

MY POWER IS GROWING

you cant stop me now

i'm ascending

[steep osprey]

Tried to put more focus on DN

[gaunt owl]

Dreadnaught value skyrocket with good SS usage too

your overall looks ok to me

[steep osprey]

mobs weren't always properly lined up

druid sometimes using the wind thin

g

[gaunt owl]

can only do so much about this

whats important is checking some of your buff uptime too

like if you didnt get it by anything you can avoid

to keep BSL going

[safe vigil]

This guy always talks shit about me, just ignore him

[dull siren]

Bigger number bigger titles

[gaunt owl]

I can't stop spinning chief

[steep osprey]

what rings should i get from m+

idk what are the best ones

[gaunt owl]

the one you can get

its all about simming right now even more than ever with all that DR

[steep osprey]

i have Uldaman one

[gaunt owl]

you gonna end up with the 2 rings from Vault anyway

[steep osprey]

yeah true

eventually i'll buy those 2

so i guess it's not important rn

[sacred zodiac]

droptimizer yourself... NOW!

halls ring was like +5k for me but i also couldnt fit 2 wws into a cs with the amt of haste i had

[gaunt owl]

its ok WW into CS doesnt matter anymore Sponguis

[strange latch]

gamers, post ur arms st sims

[gaunt owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ihMDvXhJh9xxSHwqm6wh5H small flex

[steep osprey]

no u

[sacred zodiac]

i want to tho rahhh!!!!

[gaunt owl]

sorry mate

[sacred zodiac]

it was still +5k

how tf do you outsim me so hard

am i simply a noober

[lament smelt]

guys what combo of trinkets is better
Manic Grieftouch with Augury of primal fire
or
Augury of primal fire with Algeth'ar Puzzle Box?

[strange latch]

sim it

[dusty venture]

wait why didnt it preview

[strange latch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7eEuRXxANLDejMCogv8L87

[lament smelt]

im kinda new so what does that mean? xD

[dusty venture]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vJtpPq4jQk7FmuGGxFbn6E

[gaunt owl]

i'm fucking juiced up full on roid

[sacred zodiac]

i have mythic oce noob

sec lemme dm you

[dull siren]

Oh

are we doing that?

[strange latch]

go to raidbots.com and type in ur charcters name

[gaunt owl]

yep

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2RB1zDysr6PyNBDAJV6k6b
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Lz833stwLHBsqgoaUv1Cr
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dzLJ5n2t75so84ncvv8UUL

[gaunt owl]

look at this GUY

fucking flexing 3 chars

[sacred zodiac]

who gave this guy mythic eranog ring

[gaunt owl]

he get prio loot

[dull siren]

the vault guy

[gaunt owl]

i know that much

[dull siren]

the guy at the vault was like this guy needs it

[sacred zodiac]

king sim

[strange latch]

tfw my guild gave our unh dk mythic eranog ring

[dusty venture]

just buy it in 2 weeks

[strange latch]

4Head

[sacred zodiac]

hes simming wrong consumables aswell

[lament smelt]

okay, then what?

[sacred zodiac]

literally doesnt matter who it goes to

[strange latch]

this is true but I want it 🥹

[sacred zodiac]

don't do this, take some time to figure out how the simulationcraft addon works and how you can use it to sim your gear choices on raidbots.com

[lost kernel]

btw with old tier (s3) and new tier (s4) rotation remain same ye?

[strange latch]

I mean if you get simulationcraft addon just go in game and type /simc and copy the text and paste it into top gear or quick sim

[languid pivot]

hi guys, would the pure single target opener including leggo be: charge, ms, leggo, avatar, cs, tr, clap? ty in advance

[hollow axle]

Charge > Leggo > TR > Avatar+CS > Pot+MS > TC

[languid pivot]

ty mate

[hollow axle]

If you have Puzzle you cast before charge

[languid pivot]

got it, so roar doesn't get buffed by avatar?

[hollow axle]

On pull count

yeah

neither by CS

[languid pivot]

🤝

[hollow axle]

You can check on raidbots doing "Quick Sim" aswell

[languid pivot]

will do, thanks again

[naive sage]

This

[fringe moon]

How many of you are recrafting your bracers next week? 😂

[gaunt owl]

most likely to upgrade them !

[fringe moon]

I gotta sim how much of a DPS loss it would be to run the frostfire belt versus the bracers. I need to be able to wear my eng bracers

[ornate eagle]

Just craft BSL cloak or smth

[gaunt owl]

frostfire belt is garbanzo for sure

[dusty venture]

any of you guys know what the fuck that is?

[boreal quartz]

tank spell xd

[dusty venture]

ouch

Does this damage profile make sense for a dungeon? Just swapped to arms this patch, I used cleave quite often so im not sure why its not that high is it just shit outside of a few big packs and thats why? I did use MS for 3 or lower target fights, maybe coulda had more ss uptime

[novel hollow]

What ilvl r u

[olive nest]

BSL Ring

[gray steeple]

What slot for a flavor packet? Anyone else thinking of using a craftde slot for one right now for the convenience?

[olive nest]

and 525 vers wrists this week

[cold vigil]

is ~260k dungeon dps good for a 507 ilevel arms(no lego)?

[olive nest]

kinda hard to give accurate answer

i was 509 with 528 non lego doing around 350-500k depending on dungeon and pull size

for reference

[cold vigil]

yeah

i was afk for like 1-2 mins so that might have dropped me too

[somber lance]

do we still cast BS on ST in exe phase?

[stray willow]

The wowhead guide suggests cleave but then doesn't put it in the aoe rotation

Is it just on CD?

[tiny sable]

when more than 4 targets afaik