arms

[rapid bronze]

im such an idiot

[mint delta]

Would you try picking MB instead of Massacre with 1xBB?

[devout bolt]

thank you very much

[rare kite]

I would not, massacre with EP is so nice

but like i said if you want meme overalls you can go the mbg double bs build with no ep/mass

[warped topaz]

hello, anyone has the puzzle box macro with BS?

[rare kite]

hello, that does not work anymore. can still macro with avatars bladestorm tho

[warped topaz]

yes that one i meant

do i put box first or avatar first in the macro

[tepid citrus]

Every build should have EP no matter what. Fat MS Crits is where it's at

[gaunt owl]

BIG

[winged creek]

huge gamer

[weak saffron]

Damn, teach me please!

[gaunt owl]

i push buttons

stuff dies

or i do

[pure grove]

New arms player here. How long should I hold avatar to line-up with CS/WB? Or should I just send Avatar regardless?

[weak saffron]

Do bullions drop in RF? Im thinking about taking a break from raids this season. I didn't enjoy doing old stuff.

[halcyon breach]

They do drop yes

[rapid bronze]

I don't think they drop from all the bosses but they do drop

I did sark first and got it right away this week

[weak saffron]

You shouldnt have to wait too long.

[rapid bronze]

also the catch up is already implemented so if you didnt raid week 1 you'll get 2

[gaunt owl]

Bullion drop in raidfinder yes

[weak saffron]

But you make stuff dies way faster than I do. What dungeon was that?

[gaunt owl]

Brackenhide with ginarmous pull because tanks was insane

[daring heron]

idk im seeing screenshots of overalls of nearly 1 mil on some lock/spriests

makes my 667k from yesterday look tiny

[gaunt owl]

wonder what kind of pull they doing too

[rare kite]

heard a priest got 900k+ but didn't see it personally

[daring heron]

better buff arms

[gaunt owl]

not good enough

buff cleave by 50%

[rapid bronze]

they actually need a buff in pvp lmao

[gray steeple]

pvp lol

[gaunt owl]

i still got mid trinket btw

and i'm really not liking puzzlebox and lego channel

[rapid bronze]

yeah man im not wedded so deeply to performance this season that I want to use that ass trinket again

im kinda happy they're buffing cleave in TWW

that DN nerf though

fun detected

[stable osprey]

hi btw! i just joined after 240days played as a warrior 😄

[thick kelp]

necessary nerf

[gaunt owl]

its to restore some balance into SoA

DN was straight up better in any scenario

[thick kelp]

60% nerf to make soa playable in ST

kekw

[rapid bronze]

I get the logic but then make any of the other dead talents be worthwhile too

[thick kelp]

i mean letting us path to sb and bloodletting

from ravager

and remove versa node

would fix alot for aoe

[gaunt owl]

i'm dooming already

dont worry

[steep osprey]

im simming 324k at 506, is that ok

[daring heron]

yup

[steep osprey]

joined a pug hc

with this destro lock doing 80k more dps than 2nd guy (me_

)

he's 514

giga

[thick kelp]

aug + pi does wonders

[latent hull]

You cant compare dps if u have aug in team

Also is aug supposed to give out persisence or whatever the ability is called to tanks and healers

[sacred zodiac]

what key king

[rapid bronze]

we have 3 spriests nowadays in our raid so im getting PI on cd

[gaunt owl]

Bracken

[steep osprey]

I love Neltharion's voice in Aberrus

[latent hull]

Didnt warcraft logs do something

Like disqualify logs when u got PI from multiple priests

[rapid bronze]

it's not multiple priests, just one

who gives it to me on cd

[steep osprey]

is this too far

[thick kelp]

no

[gray steeple]

What do sims say?

[rapid bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[steep osprey]

they say haste

[thick kelp]

love haste

[steep osprey]

There's no aug

[terse plume]

Sims will tell you when crit and haste fall off mostly due to drs

[steep osprey]

this guy is nuts lmao

[blazing elm]

Did they nerf execute for arms by any chance? I'm looking at my distribution and I don't recall ever seeing execute doing less dps than overpower until S4

Even raidbot is showing overpower doing slightly more dps

Maybe I'm so used to seeing big execute damage in S3

[latent hull]

S3 u had more execute procs

[steep osprey]

@thick kelp

[latent hull]

With tier set

[obsidian topaz]

Massacre this week in M+ or 2x bloodborne?

[fringe moon]

For some reason the Lego feels like it casts slower than last season even while sitting at the same haste %

[latent hull]

They buffed overpower and dreadnaught aswell i think

[thick kelp]

hc kazza?

and is that midpull xd

[steep osprey]

midpull?

that's Rashok

[daring heron]

my top gear sim has me at 52%

so if your sim said to use that, then use it

[steep osprey]

ye it did

why is destro so op

[steep osprey]

what do you mean by midpull

Oh that's the kill

[thick kelp]

1:06 kill time ?

[dry frost]

My sims have me running mastery oce + mastery weap rune lol. Feel like I’m playing fury

[steep osprey]

3:32

[sage badge]

Season of DN

[daring heron]

holy dn

[dry frost]

You really like DN huh?

[gaunt owl]

too many slam in there !

did you do your fob

[dry frost]

Fervor

[sage badge]

FoB, what can you do

[gaunt owl]

Tmy gaslighted me in doing FoB but you spam it

[gaunt owl]

didnt try it this week yet

[dreamy egret]

not hitting overpower as much as i should then lol

[daring heron]

i havent tried it yet either

[dry frost]

Fervor applying to cleave on the new alpha build is orgasmic. It sounds so fun

[rapid bronze]

the irony is that you wouldn't know these warlock assholes are op because of the extent of their whining about their tier set

[daring heron]

different build

[rapid bronze]

deswind is always ahead of the curve

[sage badge]

FoB build in this current iteration isn't a spam build anymore. It's just to reset OP for more DNs. And SD procs are kinda wasted in aoe. Season of DN

And ST isn't that bad imo

[solar quarry]

What’s the trade off for MBG build atm, I see some top warrs play it but not all of them

Biz is running it and jeventes

Is it just the 35% exe?

[gaunt owl]

we did use it as the main ability for funsies and just refresh Cleave for the buff

[solar quarry]

More pad for less ST?

[sage badge]

[sage badge]

Yeah. MBG builds are mostly just for big aoe

You sac quite a bit of ST

[solar quarry]

Ok then I shall play it 😎

[steep osprey]

2 OCE dropped

didn't get any

gg

[solar quarry]

Just buy it

[steep osprey]

yeah in 7 weeks

[weak saffron]

What does MBG stands for?

[gaunt owl]

merciless bonegrinder

[steep osprey]

[gaunt owl]

you have a long way to get good!

[steep osprey]

I sim 324k

this is zskarm

n

[gaunt owl]

you didnt pad properly then !

[steep osprey]

easier to pad on lock

when uc an havoc a mob far away

i can't do anything lmao

[solar quarry]

On Zskarn there are adds that spawn sometimes and if you use sweeping strikes you can hit an additional target with your abilities

[steep osprey]

they die too fast

and can be far away

[solar quarry]

Really good for pumping your dmg up as you just do your single target rotation but hitting two targets

Whisper a DK to grip them in

[gaunt owl]

dont whisper the DK

[solar quarry]

Yeah fuck the DK

[gaunt owl]

flame him for being useless

[steep osprey]

lock is about 10 ilvls higher than me

[solar quarry]

Truuu

[gaunt owl]

and having one trick up his sleeve and not use it

[steep osprey]

is that a huge dps increase?

[gaunt owl]

huge

[buoyant axle]

man im dead

thats a 8 aa priest under tank

unlucky

[solar quarry]

Why do you have two healers

[buoyant axle]

[frigid lava]

My dps is far from that... but then I don't have leggo

[buoyant axle]

lego is close to 8% of my overall, kinda insane

[steep osprey]

im 506 so don't jump on me

[solar quarry]

Is that heroic or mythic?

[steep osprey]

hc

[solar quarry]

Oh

[steep osprey]

I couldn't be more unlucky this raid

no drops

or wins

[supple prism]

Am I doing aoe opener correct?
Charge > TC > Avatar/trinket > WB > TR >BS into sweeping strike then alternate between cleave and overpower

[steep osprey]

@gaunt owl yo

[gaunt owl]

hi

[steep osprey]

what do you think of my parses lmao

at 506 keep in mind

[gaunt owl]

its ok

[steep osprey]

[gaunt owl]

i mean parse means nothing now if you are so low ilvl

[steep osprey]

oh shit look

[gaunt owl]

people with 515 or 520 in there right now

[steep osprey]

i got a orange one

[steep osprey]

pretty big for my ilvl

is it

[supple prism]

Why roar before avatar and wb?

[buoyant axle]

dot dmg is important not the initial hit

[supple prism]

sorry new to arms

[supple prism]

Ahh I see

[obsidian topaz]

2 stack of bloodborne or better going with massacre? for M+

[rare kite]

massacre

[steep osprey]

Where's the ST one?

[gaunt owl]

go find it !

[steep osprey]

[gaunt owl]

last time i link it

[steep osprey]

damn, TC is that far?

I use TC right after I charge lmao

is that bad

[rare kite]

eh it's whatever, arms openers are such a small difference

[gaunt owl]

absolutly w/e

even send it after Troar most of the time

if its a boss you dont BL on opener

i just do Troar -> Tclap -> CS -> MS -> WW

it helps getting that 2nd WW in the window most of the time

[steep osprey]

ok thanks

[misty iron]

dude wtf the trading post swords

sword*. SwordS are for fury players

[gaunt owl]

its perfect

[ivory quartz]

large sword

[misty iron]

what's that helm?

[gaunt owl]

from the flying cup thingy

[mellow seal]

i couldent even get mythhic asskandi cause our fury needed it and i dont get lego for another week QQ

[steep osprey]

imagine doing 1st or 2nd dps in entire raid

and not getting a single item for it

[gaunt owl]

roll better !

[steep osprey]

can upgrade my items from wyrms' now i guess

I hate flightstones

[untold shoal]

dumb question: does sweeping stikes make cleave hit 1 or 2 extra targets?

[sage badge]

Sweeping strikes only affect single target abilities.

So cleave won't be affected

[untold shoal]

Thanks!

[rose matrix]

Do you ever use bladestorm in execute phase?

[steep osprey]

with Hurricane yeah

[wicked aurora]

Press before WB

Ez

[gaunt owl]

other way around in ST

[wicked aurora]

Huh?

Since when do you press WB before BS in ST?

[steep osprey]

BS doing 30% more damage

highest MS hit

[gaunt owl]

i dont remember since when

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/koT8zFGetetJ8qTJizstN4

[wicked aurora]

[gaunt owl]

but just a quick sim for funsies

it straight up ignore it til you dont have ragedumped enough

[wicked aurora]

Everything I’ve ever seen is BS before WB for hurricane buff inside of CS for ST

[gaunt owl]

oh i missread

god damn

[steep osprey]

i'm gonna make bsl on boots, ok?

[gaunt owl]

sim it

[steep osprey]

ok

droptimizer?

[gaunt owl]

gearcompare

[wicked aurora]

All good

[gaunt owl]

you cant do embellishment in droptimizer

[wicked aurora]

[gaunt owl]

[steep osprey]

Damn it's not there atm

[gaunt owl]

yes it is

they just hid it

[steep osprey]

lmao why

[gaunt owl]

for obscure reason

[steep osprey]

It's gear now?

in more

[wicked aurora]

Idk how I feel about these new engineer potions

[steep osprey]

What do I sim it with?

[gaunt owl]

you do a ring with the BSL and other stuff like this

[steep osprey]

my worst gear is my cloak and boots

[wicked aurora]

I’m considering doing a neck with BSL

[steep osprey]

and my ring

[gaunt owl]

So for science, I went on the tank target dummy and got my ass handed to me for 3minutes starting at 20% hp to make sure FbV wasnt overhealing

[wicked aurora]

Instead of boots with shadowflame

[steep osprey]

Aren't ring slots locked?

because of diruna rings

[gaunt owl]

but who cares ?

you can swap it later and recraft

progress gear > bis gear

[wicked aurora]

Neck if you’re gonna do BSL imo

[quasi torrent]

fbv on ST not good
more news at 11

[steep osprey]

my neck is pretty good idk

[gaunt owl]

need to show those kids

[quasi torrent]

i still play fbv on most fights

[gaunt owl]

if i was spamming Impending victory on CD it would be better than both probably

[quasi torrent]

cause don't care m8

[gaunt owl]

wow not optimize BSL uptime !

[quasi torrent]

i didnt craft bsl

dont care

[wicked aurora]

I need to be better about pressing IP

But

[olive nest]

IP owns

[wicked aurora]

That’s an extra keybind that cleave took

[gaunt owl]

there is no but !

[olive nest]

IP saves so my lives

[wicked aurora]

Cleave took my extra keybind

[olive nest]

It’s insane

[lost kernel]

why everyone uses puzzlebox? some synergy mechanics?

[olive nest]

Best simming trinket for aoe

[wicked aurora]

Because you can use it in BS

[frigid flume]

More mastery big damage

[untold shoal]

big damge in m+

[wicked aurora]

[untold shoal]

I wouldn't use it in raid

[frigid flume]

Only the free bs if you are playing double bs right?

[olive nest]

I’m a Puzzle box + Ruby whelp shell(hasted) enjoyer

[lost kernel]

so bis is icon+chromatic trinkets?

[wicked aurora]

Oh idk it’s more of a meme reason

It’s just good trinket

For m+

[olive nest]

It’s really the best farmable option for raid too

Until you loot raid trinkets

(puzzle box)

[gaunt owl]

PuzzleBox if a fight ends when you just had a full use, its bis

[untold shoal]

fair point, best raid trinkets come from raid

[wicked aurora]

If only shell had a good proc rate

[olive nest]

Shell hasted proc is decent

The ST proc is totally ass

[wicked aurora]

I need more haste

[olive nest]

Killed 12 bosses without a proc

[wicked aurora]

I’ve dropped to like 30% haste

[supple blade]

question in m+ build do we use bladestorm in a boss fight ?

[wicked aurora]

[wicked aurora]

Yes

[olive nest]

Sims going to want you to get a lot more haste

[supple blade]

Bladestorm during the Test of Might buff but we do not use test of might in the build

[olive nest]

Probably recraft angle if possible

[wicked aurora]

Yes you BS

Because you have hurricane

[supple blade]

ahhhhhhh

[wicked aurora]

Do it before WB

Probably some optimization of using it at low rage as well somewhere

But idk I haven’t dove into the APL

[gaunt owl]

so glad they are killing TOM slowly but surely and painfully

[olive nest]

Fuk Tom fuk Tom

[gaunt owl]

and Deswind is toying with the AOE apl these days

[wicked aurora]

TOM is already unobtrusive though

[gaunt owl]

so stuff could be changing soon

[wicked aurora]

Idk what people want

[olive nest]

I actually don’t mind ToM at all

[wicked aurora]

I personally like TOM, you literally don’t think about it

[olive nest]

I just like to meme

^^

Yes

Exactly

[wicked aurora]

It’s there but you don’t really play around it

[gaunt owl]

you dont think about ITFK either

but they are both passive and not altering gameplay

[olive nest]

In the for kill either

[gaunt owl]

if ITFK duration was tied to CS

it would be better than TOM actually

[lament flax]

what is this ITFK

[gaunt owl]

but lose value during Execute

[timber lynx]

In for the kill

Haste buff when you warbreaker/cs

[lament flax]

no no that's IFTK

[olive nest]

“In The For Kill” in his abbreviated text

[timber lynx]

almao

[gaunt owl]

it always was ITFK

[olive nest]

[timber lynx]

wtf

[olive nest]

XD

Gotted

[timber lynx]

Gottheem

[lament flax]

@gaunt owl i'm sorry, i couldn't help myself 👍🏽

[olive nest]

Paw owns btw

Man created these sweet prio and opener images y’all use to play the spec

[wicked aurora]

I miss execute spam

Last season tier set was goated

[olive nest]

Now we get 9 MS in a row instead

[wicked aurora]

Don’t @ me

[olive nest]

Look at what Banezi shared the other day Griff

LOL

MS owns

[wicked aurora]

Huuuhhhhh

How

[steep osprey]

EB

[olive nest]

Drop BB for EB

[hexed saddle]

only 5?

[olive nest]

And roll rng god

[gaunt owl]

guys why are you saying the wrong name ?

[wicked aurora]

We playin EB now?

[steep osprey]

TheFor

[lament flax]

almost had me, but spacing issue

get that pinned#

[olive nest]

9 hits yeah?

[gaunt owl]

hard to do it in paint

[olive nest]

Am I loony!?

[steep osprey]

I actually alt tabbed to my wow to see if it's like this

[wicked aurora]

Like is EB actually legit?

[steep osprey]

jebaited

[olive nest]

That looks like 9 hits to me

[steep osprey]

Very little difference between BB and that

[lament flax]

kinda owned when you think about it

[hexed saddle]

bottom MS are the resets

[gaunt owl]

i promote EB

let the fun begin !

[hexed saddle]

thats why theres 1 less

[olive nest]

Holllyy

Thanks for knowledge

[wicked aurora]

I’ll just keep BB then

[lament flax]

EB good for keys too? to reset cleave

[gaunt owl]

nah

[wicked aurora]

Probably not

[olive nest]

Play EB because it’s fun

[wicked aurora]

You wanna be doing DN hits

[olive nest]

But not in keys

[gaunt owl]

Cleave dmg is so mid

[wicked aurora]

DN fucks

[lament flax]

i plan on playing with MBGrinder again so maybe ya?

[wicked aurora]

Ewwww

[olive nest]

Lose way to much ST

Not worth at all

[lament flax]

ok fair

[olive nest]

Unless you are like the only AoEr in the comp then maybe

But like it’s pretty bad

[wicked aurora]

Just play current single BS build and do like 450k overall at 504

[frigid lava]

Is it just me... mouse clicking behaves a bit differently starting this week

Keeps clicking off target

[novel hollow]

[lament flax]

clean the base of your mouse maybe

[olive nest]

Go to an AA 9 without bolster and do 600k overall

Fun times

[steep osprey]

It did that last week when I accidentally turned on Nvidia GeForce relay

[olive nest]

[wicked aurora]

I tried but it didn’t matter because I brought a BM hunter and a DH

[lament flax]

which buff do you guys choose in AA?

[frigid lava]

what..... ?

[wicked aurora]

Ain’t no doing over 400k with that comp

[steep osprey]

Mouse acting weird

[olive nest]

BM hunter will totally fuck your overall

[steep osprey]

I hate bm huhnters

[lament flax]

yeah i run with a BM lol

[steep osprey]

they deserve nerfs

[olive nest]

They nuke before you get to ramp aoe

[halcyon breach]

Versa

[lament flax]

ty

[wicked aurora]

Haste because I have like 30%

[frigid lava]

i didn't touch any gpu setting... weird

[wicked aurora]

You pick whatever stat you’re lacking in

[olive nest]

I go vers until just before last boss area then I swap to haste for boss

Feely craft

Doesn’t matter

[gaunt owl]

mastery gives a buttload

[halcyon breach]

The haste is multiplicative, so it would be more than 5% you get from it

[wicked aurora]

Which is good

Because I need more haste

My stats are garbage

[novel hollow]

I have 35% crit 35% haste 25% mastery 28% versa rn

[lament flax]

good stats

[novel hollow]

Need to replace some shit

[lament flax]

i'm down to 30% haste but still stuck on old 4pc

[novel hollow]

Im rocking mastery/vers crafted gear

Need to recraft those

[dawn sphinx]

christmas came early

[frigid lava]

that's nice

[nova marsh]

Okay that slaps

[frigid lava]

and avoidance

[untold shoal]

congrats king

[dull siren]

@astral yarrow hate it when I lose to myself with 7 ilvls

[lament flax]

Bad Luck

[steep osprey]

and longer fight

[raven nymph]

it's not much, but it's honest work slapping the ret around in Ulda

[steep osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-cat-hitting-cat-cat-punching-cat-cat-slapping-cat-orange-cat-hitting-cat-gif-6585435513579432745

[astral yarrow]

🥄 🥄

[gaunt owl]

should compare the rng fiesta

[steep osprey]

i miss s3 set

[frigid lava]

I kinda do too. I don't like having to reapply rend

[olive nest]

“Hate it when I lose to myself”
Based af

[steep osprey]

Look

If you had

One shot

[turbid pebble]

Im using the hybrid build atm on wowhead but should i be using the bs build instead i was looking at raider.io and i see a few people using it at the higher end

[halcyon breach]

The Hybrid is generally the best

[olive nest]

Hybrid is the way

[halcyon breach]

The double BS is just for a bit more AoE but at a bigger ST loss

So not really worth it unless all you care about is overall

[flat vine]

Or spin spin fun yeeee

[olive nest]

[novel hollow]

If overall big then good

[loud wadi]

Is it really a big gain to put a legendary use macro together with the Blademaster's Bladestorm (avatar)? It seems risky to me in several big pulls haha

[gilded prawn]

irideus fragment simming 1.2% over puzzle box, is it bait?

[gray steeple]

Depends on type of sim and if it's correct

[gilded prawn]

what style sims should we be running?

[novel hollow]

Irideus should be better than box

For fury box should be better

Arms irideus

[mint patio]

I always like box more since it’s with every avatar. Fragment is every other so depends on how big that pack is when you use it.

[ivory quartz]

huh

[untold shoal]

what is the minimum number of targets for cleave vs SS mortal strike?

[gaunt owl]

irideus fragment is turbo shit

[novel hollow]

Id use box over irideus tho

Just raw mastery for 20sec

Which doesnt deplete due to apm

[gaunt owl]

its 30 seconds

[novel hollow]

Ahh 30sec

Shit

Last time i had box it was in s1

It was like winning a lottery lol

[ivory quartz]

if ur running like a 60-90s burst aoe sim yeah fragment will prolly come out higher

but the str from box will level out over longer time periods

[naive sage]

Cleave only with 2 martial prowess right?

OP is fucking strong

[frigid lava]

nah... more like op->cleave->op->cleave

[hollow wave]

funny how razorstone is not even good for warrior

[novel hollow]

Arms bis stats crit/haste?

[halcyon breach]

It's in fact Cleave with 2x OP buffs at 5+ targets

Not just OP -> Cleave spam

[novel hollow]

40% haste?

[buoyant axle]

we can dropp a spark from m+/raid right?

[halcyon breach]

Yes

[buoyant axle]

sadge, so rng will decide if get 2 525 pieces

this week

[pure grove]

If played correctly in ST raid how often do you press slam? Tried it out for the first time last night and find myself pressing tclap and slam alot because I don't have ms or op to hit

[halcyon breach]

Just kill stuff and you'll get catch up sparks that you haven't already gotten

And do the weekly quest

Atm you should have 1½ spark at most

[buoyant axle]

ye i have

[novel hollow]

Fkin annoying that nobody queues into my 10s because im only 1.6k io

And i need the fkin aspect shit

To craft gear

[buoyant axle]

and i can make it 2 full ones when i dropp another one

[halcyon breach]

You'll get the 2nd full spark on reset

[buoyant axle]

so no dropping sparks, only for catching up?

[halcyon breach]

Yes

[buoyant axle]

[halcyon breach]

You would otherwise see almost everyone with 2x 525 crafted items

[novel hollow]

Best way to get spark is just go raid

Less time wasted

Than m+

[flat vine]

That's almost assuredly a hekili rotation lol

[gilded prawn]

should we always max out OP buff? or only with cleave

[halcyon breach]

You get 2x Martial Prowess buffs first, when you want to Cleave at 5 or more targets, or MS at 4 or less targets with SS active

[old urchin]

Not with MS. You always press MS unless execute range.

[ivory quartz]

i believe apl has Cleave with MP > Cleave to refresh DW > OP in SS > OP > Cleave so theoretically thats also what hekili should have

[halcyon breach]

#arms message goes over it

[halcyon breach]

This is too general a statement

[astral yarrow]

Get him

[halcyon breach]

🐖

[tough steppe]

What are you guys going to buy with your second two bullions

[ivory quartz]

probably eranog ring

[naive sage]

Noice

For real

[tough steppe]

I was maybe wondering if the Ominous trinket could be a good idea

[naive sage]

Playing cleave again has destabilized me a lot

[halcyon breach]

Eranog ring if I don't loot it, otherwise OCE

We'll have another clear of Vault before we get our 2nd purchase

[astral yarrow]

Trials getting loot

Mullehmm

[halcyon breach]

Couldn't be me

[ivory quartz]

Didnt the dungeon quest on PTR reward a bullion? I wouldn't be shocked if we got a 2nd bullion item next week

[halcyon breach]

I got technical bis pants from Assault on mythic

[sturdy jewel]

what guy do i talk to at algathar

[halcyon breach]

But that was it, otherwise just offpieces to switch stats on HC

Mulle got 3 wrists

And like 8 ilvl from 1 raid night

And the HC Ash that dropped

[astral yarrow]

We had xirips go from 505 to 521 yesterday

We got showered in leather loot

[halcyon breach]

Wish my hunter rn would get showered in loot

Despise gearing

[astral yarrow]

Gearing is the fun part. Pugging for gear is not fun

[ivory quartz]

of our like first 16 tier pieces that dropped something like 13 of them were Mystic

[halcyon breach]

I prefer just being in the position to blast damage

[ivory quartz]

hunters fed

[astral yarrow]

We split hc in vault, did 3 boss normal splits as well, full clear Aberrus hc and mythic and have seen a grand total of 1 zenith token off Sennarth

[olive nest]

Oof

That’s rough

[halcyon breach]

And yet you still got 4p first week

🥄 🐖

[astral yarrow]

Omni token giga

[ivory quartz]

yeah we had to give like every omni token to Zeniths

1 dropped in 2 weeks

[steep osprey]

I've also rarely seen any Zenith tokens

[ivory quartz]

of full clears

[modest moss]

Why would you split raid in S4 there is absolutely 0 prestige to get from anything.

[olive nest]

The guys talking play* at the highest end

[gaunt owl]

gearing faster ?

funnel looting ?

[olive nest]

So to them it matters and is probably enjoyable

[gaunt owl]

unlock the fun part

[olive nest]

I’d do splits too if I played at a guild level that cared about it

You get more ilvl faster

[astral yarrow]

We’re not looking to struggle through this meme season. Put in a little effort week 1 to do sub 2 hour clears of the rest

[wicked aurora]

Slayer is saved with these bladestorm changes

[astral yarrow]

Also boosting

[wicked aurora]

[astral yarrow]

[halcyon breach]

Wish Sabo did at least Fyrakk boosts

In these easy weeks

[astral yarrow]

I have been sabo boost contact for 2 years and had 2 people dm me total

[halcyon breach]

holy

[astral yarrow]

People in sabo are just not active enough in the boosting aspect

Or rather, the people in charge

[halcyon breach]

Ye only a handful bother

[astral yarrow]

Schmidt and flunky don’t care for it

[gaunt owl]

easy money

[astral yarrow]

Yeah, but suddenly it ends up as a weekly chore and they aren’t looking for that

That’s why I also won’t bother boosting outside main raids or very early tier when you almost make a token for a run

[gaunt owl]

i know people are banking hard right now on boosting raids

[novel hollow]

Not wven that

I roll on wverything

[astral yarrow]

It’s ok for the first 3-4 weeks

[novel hollow]

And just sell gear

Lol

[astral yarrow]

That sounds reliable

[gaunt owl]

bold move !

[dull siren]

Who didn't lol

[old urchin]

So is your reply

[astral yarrow]

Oh he got you @halcyon breach

[gaunt owl]

he got you good yep

[old urchin]

It’s been my understanding from the guides and vids that in ST MS is top priority. You don’t wait for 2x overpower you press it on CD when it’s up. Correct me if I’m wrong.

[halcyon breach]

Ok but you never mentioned ST, and the person who asked mentioned Cleave

Which would imply that it's more than just ST he's thinking about

[novel hollow]

Just press buttons

Dont matter

[halcyon breach]

On pure ST yes, MS is the highest priority button outside of Execute

But outside of that, there are other conditionals to think about other than just "MS on CD"

[somber lance]

for arms are we using leggo on pull?

[novel hollow]

Imagine its 2004 and theres no addons

[old urchin]

That’s what I thought. Def my mistake for not mentioning ST but considering you wouldn’t be cleaving in ST I believed that was understood. Def my bad there.

[somber lance]

also can i remove slam from my bars?

[novel hollow]

Charge -> leggo -> TS

[halcyon breach]

You can

And put Cleave on your old Slam keybind

[frozen bramble]

I think if you're talented into Cleave and you have no other buttons up, you press Cleave over Slam

[somber lance]

ty banezi

[halcyon breach]

There are very niche situations in raid full ST, where absolutely everything is on CD and all you ahve to press is Slam

[safe cedar]

whats a slam?

[somber lance]

something i used in s3 innit

[halcyon breach]

And if you care to min/max in those rare situations, you can keep Slam bound but on another keybind you wouldn't use much

[somber lance]

im just switching to arms but i never really played it before

[halcyon breach]

You can do this yes

[somber lance]

gonna be fun

[novel hollow]

U use slam every 15aec

According to sim

[somber lance]

thats a lot of casts?

[opaque citrus]

Yes the APL is totally gospel

[frozen bramble]

I have Slam bound in full ST but I press TC before Slam

[novel hollow]

U gotta play like a robot

To do robot dps

[somber lance]

the robot makes no mistakes tho

classic curve

[novel hollow]

Dont do mistakes then

[somber lance]

u need to replace the IQ axes with the parses

this is the wrong maymay

u aren't trying

[opaque citrus]

I have 2 versions

This is the one that says APL

So I sent this one

[somber lance]

appreciate you

[gaunt owl]

its the only one that matters

[novel hollow]

I press buttons and still parse high

[gaunt owl]

push buttons

[novel hollow]

I do what sim tells me to do

[elfin kindle]

trying to sim my pips vs a 522 trampling hoves and my 489 pip wins

[novel hollow]

Fuck the guides

[opaque citrus]

This is the other one

[elfin kindle]

that norm?

[somber lance]

a man of culture i see

[novel hollow]

Simbot is my guide

[opaque citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-no-undecided-not-sure-gif-26295992

I doubt the APL even got looked at for s4 becuse meme season. I know some other specs didn’t

But following the exact APL rotation is… not it

[gaunt owl]

you want my foot up your ass ?

[opaque citrus]

Yes

UwU

[gaunt owl]

its free tell me where

[astral yarrow]

The man writing the guides tends to do a decent amount of work on the apl for the sims.

[opaque citrus]

… my ass, I thought that was implied

[novel hollow]

See

I dont need to read

[gaunt owl]

[novel hollow]

I just do what robot tells me to do

[gaunt owl]

robots is wrong

[astral yarrow]

I appreciate you

[safe cedar]

Robot is chad

[opaque citrus]

I mean if the APL was updated that’s great

[thick cairn]

can anyone link me a screenshot of their damage breakdown in a key? just to compare off my own see how much i suck xD

[novel hollow]

Whole rotation

[opaque citrus]

But still, going through the cast order on a quick sim is cooked

[halcyon breach]

Just get 4 EB resets in a row

[gaunt owl]

and then get no EB reset when it matters

[halcyon breach]

The amount of EB resets I get in Execute

Compared to outside

[novel hollow]

[astral yarrow]

I forgot to redo my Aberrus talents for EB 😦

[novel hollow]

And u pump

[astral yarrow]

No raiding before Wednesday again

[halcyon breach]

Gg

At least your logs prob dont look scuffed

I was sat for 3 bosses so I got holes

[frozen bramble]

For last boss of HOI, you taunt reflect on Focused Deluge?

[somber lance]

so just checking the archi guide and it says opener is TR -> Avatar-> WB-> MS-> thunder clap for rend. assuming i actually charge and leggo immediately, why would i cast TR before avatar?

[astral yarrow]

I have like 7/9 ilvl rank 1s

[novel hollow]

U TR after wb and ava

And tc for bleed before eveything else

[halcyon breach]

Can't say the same

[novel hollow]

After u charge

[astral yarrow]

Rocked up with 504 ilvl

[halcyon breach]

Almost had a rank 1 Magmo HC lock in

[opaque citrus]

Is that what the APL does

[gaunt owl]

Troar out of WB because you dont care about initial hit

[halcyon breach]

But it got beat by like 4 other people

[astral yarrow]

I hate people

[opaque citrus]

Also because you then have the dot for the full duration of the buff

[halcyon breach]

True

[somber lance]

troar before WB then but after avatar?

[opaque citrus]

Without wasting a CD

[halcyon breach]

madge

Should've had more EB resets during CS

Also still using a 483 Pips is really not it

[astral yarrow]

Yeah big misplay bro

Hope you get better

[novel hollow]

Lol

[opaque citrus]

The APL had more so

[novel hollow]

Only a 99.9 parse

[frozen bramble]

@smoky kayak When do you taunt reflect on the last boss of HoI?

[opaque citrus]

Yeah

[halcyon breach]

Got rolled

[opaque citrus]

The channel not the knock

[halcyon breach]

Only hit the 0.032% chance once

Never again

[wind flicker]

Im not running MBG

Its pad

[astral yarrow]

MBG is cringe

[wind flicker]

Ur ST will be through the floor

[astral yarrow]

Ok MBG is fun but “only” like 30k single target loss

[gaunt owl]

Biz is a known padder

unethical gaming !

[astral yarrow]

@safe vigil defend yourself

[gaunt owl]

try to explain yourself !

justifiy your padding

[thick cairn]

can anyone screenshot a breakdown of dmg in mythic+, to compare off.

[gaunt owl]

when i see stuff like this

i just wonder why bother taking EP even ?

or SoA

people care far too much about looking good on the overall meter

[hallow vale]

He was the only warrior running Dancing Blades on fury in s1, accusation dismissed

[gaunt owl]

instead of doing prio dmg

[hallow vale]

One of the guys i play with was doing Divine Storm on last boss Neltharion Lair and we wiped cuz we couldn't kill the 2nd Elemental during the stun

and he always boaasts about overalls and r1 titles

[gaunt owl]

thats the brainrot of too many m+

and thats such a poor metric to use only dmg

[ivory quartz]

same reason raiders default to aoe builds the moment adds pop up in a fight even if the adds are wholly irrelevant

[hallow vale]

Its funny how half of the people in my group (around 8 people that we play regularly) couldn't understand the concept of priority damage

for 4 years of m+ pushing

they even have r1 titles

like..wtf

[gaunt owl]

i did Dathea M last week full ST build and i was still blasting adds easily

[astral yarrow]

That’s also how I got rank 1 on dathea

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[ivory quartz]

wow players have no ethics

[halcyon breach]

I got rank 1 with S3 Fury set on Dathea

Prio damage btw

[gaunt owl]

wtf is wrong with warcaftlogs

he thinks i'm not human

[dull siren]

I found the reason

for why

[steep osprey]

are yo8?

[dull siren]

Fury is best

[ivory quartz]

uh oh

[dull siren]

Ashkandur is based

[novel hollow]

Ethics are for pussies

[halcyon breach]

Only 1% of Skyhold would get double damaged by Ashkandur

[steep osprey]

it looks based because fury has shit damage

[halcyon breach]

Generous amount

[dull siren]

xdd

[glossy hill]

timed az 12

i died twice on big pulls

stupid me

[raven nymph]

Why u let Ret win?

[glossy hill]

so we get buffs

[steep osprey]

disgusting

[novel hollow]

Best way to sabotage Ret pally is when theyre low hp and add is casting shit on them

Dont interrupt

That way youll be above him in dps meters

Works usually

[steep osprey]

based

[raven nymph]

Rets don’t know what defensives are.

[steep osprey]

why did you burst inside her

[novel hollow]

Holy

70k parses

So many rets

No wonder for every noob fury warrior theres 4 noob ret palloes

[gaunt owl]

Ret is a really popular spec

thats why they need to nerf it

so we dont see them

[raven nymph]

Ret is popular even when it’s shit

Like bm hunters

[novel hollow]

Because its ez

And low apm

[glossy hill]

stuck at 512 ilvl this week

cant upgrade anything else

[hallow vale]

I've started to hit TC a bit more now on bigger pulls or when new adds appear/are being pulled in order to apply rend to more targets. How many targets can i have the debuff on simultaneously?

[craggy granite]

rend?

[swift crown]

noober

[hallow vale]

Yep, rend. I saw that its lacking on my dmg meters compared to previous season where it was auto applied by the increased sudden death procs and exe proccing it

[rare kite]

no limit to amount of rends you can have

[halcyon breach]

submit your mog to the council of transmog

if it's deemed not good enough, you will not enter raid

[rare kite]

ofc it isn't, we apply it less in aoe but more importantly we don't have a tier buffing rend by 40%

[hallow vale]

Oh, yeah i guess that explains it ;d

[cold vigil]

one guy just told me that if i did amirdrasil on any difficulty i have only 1 chance for the axe per week. is that true?

[rare kite]

no it's per difficulty, but the higher difficulties will roll the lower ones for you as well. so doing heroic is the same as doing lfr,normal and heroic

[cold vigil]

but its good to do hc and mythic right?

[rare kite]

well it's best to just do mythic if you can

it will roll for all the lower difficulties

[cold vigil]

what does that mean?

also isnt mythic drop a group loot?

[rare kite]

it means it is the equivalent of doing all the other difficulties as well

[cold vigil]

so i have to roll AFTER it drops?

[timber lynx]

axe is personal loot

[halcyon breach]

Mythic can drop both your personal lego, and a group loot lego

But neither is guaranteed (personal loot depending on your BLP)

[timber lynx]

but yeah that too^

[cold vigil]

ohhh

i see thanks

[hard cedar]

So I'm noticing that CS comes off CD a few seconds before Avatar, should I hold CS to sync up with Avatar, or just send and then hit avatar when it's up?

[hazy flower]

good build

xdd

[gaunt owl]

what if i tell you its from one of the top run for Arms in rio

[hazy flower]

top arms

omegalul

day 10 of the season

nobody is pushing

[gaunt owl]

what are those sweatlords doing 14 already ?

its like 25 or 26 if i saw the change right

[hazy flower]

14 is not even high

honestly

xd

[obsidian topaz]

so full of sht haha

[errant jackal]

i feel like sidearm is a shit talent

[hazy flower]

its shit

but there's nothing better to spend that talent point on

0,7% dam

[cold vigil]

0,8% in my last dungeon

😄

[violet cape]

soooo yesterday someone said to use Execute x 3 then MS but on wowhead it says to use execute as much as possible and only use it front refreshing rend and deep wounds

so if i can get 6+ executes do i just keep blasting them?

[hazy flower]

exe exe exe ms or exe exe op ms

if you can afford, go triple exe

ms on cd

[violet cape]

"Below 35%, Execute becomes the priority rage spender - dropping Whirlwind, Thunder Clap, and Slam from the rotation entirely. Mortal Strike is used exclusively to maintain Rend and Deep Wounds or with two stacks of Executioner's Precision, while Overpower becomes a filler when Execute cannot be used. Despite Execute's apparent low priority, it is the most frequently used ability during the phase."

@smoky kayak update ur guide bro

[random ibex]

anyone tried using the hybrid mythic+ build with season 3 tier? dont have 4P yet : (

[violet cape]

im 1000% just kidding thank you for all the simmers and theorycrafters

[hazy flower]

"Mortal Strike is used exclusively to maintain Rend and Deep Wounds or with two stacks of Executioner's Precision"

x2 exe = x2 stacks of executioners precision

[violet cape]

oooooo

but then why 3?

[hazy flower]

because you dont want to be waiting doing nothing

[violet cape]

facts

[hazy flower]

and its better than overpower

[violet cape]

got it

[flat vine]

Gonna take a peak at the APL again because I swear it was not sending MS on CD with 2ep in execute. I could be dumb tho.

[gaunt owl]

that was S3 curse

its not how we game now

[smoky kayak]

Not really incorrect, Exe is one of the lowest priority buttons in the Exe rotation

Even though it’s not used infrequently… But sure it could probably be written a little more expressively

[gaunt owl]

he got you good read below

[quaint otter]

[swift crown]

no

Omg I hate Skyhold

[halcyon breach]

oh okay..

[opaque citrus]

I’m gonna go post a tweet about class discords

[hard cedar]

someone went into the spriest theory crafters stream while they were checking out the new hero talents and said:
i find it so wild how you are the face of shadowpriests, no one ever questions you, the guides you put out, the gear, talents, they are COMPLETELY wrong, do you realize the current rank 1 logs from shadowpriests, doesnt even have 60% of your 'guide gear' equipped, like you guys try and analyze more than you play, you got your first cutting edge in wod like, its crazy how these newer gen players even have a voice this big. completely false information all over the place.

[mortal crag]

same ppl that wipe a big bolstering pull cuz they divine storm/cleave instead of st the big bad guy and then their healer dies to unavoidable aoe rot dmg from the +7 stacks

but at least ur ret pala is 2mil dps :^)

[opaque citrus]

Didn’t cutting edge get introduced in WoD

Lmao

[mortal crag]

arms is simming 7k higher on ST and 30k higher on dslice for me

🥲 both m+ builds

[opaque citrus]

Ok

[hard cedar]

idk if the dude was shitposting or not, but he went on with the bit way too long

[mortal crag]

time to reroll

from fury

[dreamy egret]

my wars stuck at 514 I want to get the puzzle box to upgrade though cant get lucky.

[winged brook]

idiots that voted for s2 set can suck it now. i hope they keep playing this garbage tier

[dreamy egret]

so I decided to do my last mount runs for jailor mount

[patent cipher]

switched to arms, i dont like the fury tier set :v

[winged brook]

it wasn't fun in s2, no clue why they thought it'd be fun in s4

[patent cipher]

so true

[mortal crag]

its also poorly tuned

[dreamy egret]

people said when we voted season 1 arms we were trolling too

but i think they were mythic plus enjoyers

[manic stirrup]

i think it got introduced with siege of orgrimmar

[opaque citrus]

So… right before wod

Lmao

[manic stirrup]

yeah one patch before lol

also being an 'experienced' player in terms of

time playing the game

means fuck all when the classes get changed so much

warrior now is nothing like warrior in mop

[opaque citrus]

The game is also way more complex

[faint granite]

on St execute phase with anvill, do we do 2execute then MS for anvil procs or not,

[reef glade]

whether or not the rest of that statement is correct how the fuck is CE in wod a "newer gen player" 😭

thats almost half of the games lifespan ago

[gaunt owl]

i should have never curse the execute in S3

[opaque citrus]

Back in my day

Naxxramas!!

[outer holly]

If we don't gatekeep then the noobs win!

[manic stirrup]

on st you ms on cd in all situations

you should always have rage to do 2 exe then ms

[faint granite]

even with raid talents?

[manic stirrup]

atleast 2 exe, if not 3

[faint granite]

do i want to stack OP charges or not?

only if im low in rage?

[manic stirrup]

op is just used when you dont have rage to execute

[manic stirrup]

or you dont have rage to use execute and then ms on cd, in that case you use overpower

yeah

[faint granite]

ok so ms is on cd

[reef glade]

[faint granite]

2 times or only 1 time if i can Ms after?

[manic stirrup]

if you can ms you always press it

[faint granite]

okok

[manic stirrup]

dont worry about stacking overpower charges

[faint granite]

ok i thoufh it was huge

30% damage

[opaque citrus]

For 2 globals

[manic stirrup]

yeah its just a lot of time to use

[opaque citrus]

When execute gives significantly more in the same 2 globals

[faint granite]

okok

[somber lance]

in our BS +warlords m+ build, how good is our ST?

[worldly scaffold]

with IFTK do we just send TR

[somber lance]

am i supposed to get slapped by rets and outlaw same ilvl?

[steep osprey]

I think so

[worldly scaffold]

Ret and outlaw are usually nuts in high target count

[somber lance]

no i mean single target

boss fights

in m+

[opaque citrus]

Yea cuz ur trolling playing double bs

[somber lance]

im not tho

[steep osprey]

Outlaw sure idk about ret

[somber lance]

im playing the hybrid build

warlords is BS+ reck

[hallow vale]

outlaw, you mean the spec that does holy priest aoe dmg ?

:d

[opaque citrus]

Oh

🙂

[hallow vale]

i have couple peole already telling me they saw hpriests actually catching up to outlaws on AA 1st pull

yet to see that myself tho

[steep osprey]

Doubt

[outer holly]

yeah hpriest is cracked

If theyre not pulling 600k in aoe they're doing it wrong

That's actually low balling it tbh, mine is doing that around ilvl 500

[sour ice]

is that breakdown okay for 7 ruby?

[raven nymph]

Target capped spec nuts in aoe?

[somber lance]

on ST is it correct to wait for WB to cast BS?

[quiet ravine]

do we not worry about rage capping anymore when using overpower?

[zealous basin]

got me a good thing until i get eranog

[strong charm]

Yo guys do we press cleave on cd in aoe?

[outer holly]

No, no, neat, yes

[latent hull]

Outlaw always big dmg wdym

Or atleast last tier

[olive nest]

If you que into a good outlaw you will know it

They crank damage

[latent hull]

If you q into a bad arms

[latent hull]

You wont know it

[latent hull]

Rookie numbers

[novel hollow]

hey

im rerolling from fury

need to recraft some shit

[latent hull]

ONLY 36% HASTE?

[novel hollow]

how much u running?

SHOW

ME UR STATS

[olive nest]

Frosty show the stats

[latent hull]

SIMS SAY YOU SHOULD BE RUNNING 52%

[novel hollow]

SHOW THE FUCKING STATS

[latent hull]

STATISTICS

[latent hull]

Im not home

[olive nest]

I bet frosty’s sim doesn’t say to run 52% haste

I bet frosty’s sim says to get more ilvl