arms

[proud plover]

hoof good, flare bad

[reef glade]

its not impossible they're just better than what you have

[proud plover]

whats thee old trinkets tho

[tough steppe]

dungeon slice

[halcyon breach]

Dungeon slice trinket sims are iffy

[tough steppe]

augury and idol

[halcyon breach]

I'd go farm Puzzle Box and use that with either Signal Flare or Idol

[proud plover]

flare bad tho

[halcyon breach]

Haven't gotten it, but it's not super terrible

[limber bear]

short of going prot, or crawling through 5s, idk how else i can "prove" getting into 6s. anyone know what dungeon is considered easiest/fastest this season to try and que into?

[halcyon breach]

But overall there are just no good trinkets from dungeons

[limber bear]

i'm 503, just trying to start earning aspect crests

[proud plover]

such a low proc rate and its often procced the dot when things died

[wind flicker]

Azure vault

[proud plover]

sme boat - 500 ilvl, 1700 io cant gt into 2's let alonee 6's lol

[halcyon breach]

Azure Vault is omega bloated with casters queueing for it

[wind flicker]

I mean it is the easiest dungeon tho

[halcyon breach]

They asked to queue into

[somber lance]

i cant even get into 2s

my tooltip is just blank

[limber bear]

not the biggest fan of AV, and like you said bane, is bloated with casters. any other suggestions/

like i know last season the go to easy speed run dungeon was fall

[ember glen]

anybody else got bored after first week

[wind flicker]

I dont think any dungeon is easier to get into than others, just queue into everything that gives u score i guess or play your own key

[proud plover]

been bored since last year in wow

[ember glen]

I gamed alot last season but cant seem to enjoy this season

[tough steppe]

imo algethar is really easy

[naive sage]

Dropped the puzzle box finally

Any macro? I'm lazy tbh

[proud plover]

cant macro it anymore

[limber bear]

wdym

i have it macrod into my avatar

[naive sage]

Ah can't be macroed at all?

I thought it was some kind of nerf

[proud plover]

it cant be cast in a gcd

[limber bear]

yeah, so you pre-cast it and it goes off before you pop avatar, and then you keep mashing the button to pop avatar

[proud plover]

so its like charrge > pb > stuff

[limber bear]

yeah it's not seemless but at least it reduces button bloat

[limber bear]

plunderstorm really get to you that badly that you spell charge with 2 Rs?

[naive sage]

Ah ok nvm it only works with double bs

And double bs is POOP

[proud plover]

my kyboard is frieeed on e r t

[limber bear]

that's funny

and sorry for your loss m8ty

[dry frost]

I’ve gotten so many more binds from picking up alts but I still keep Victory rush and charge on the same key

[proud plover]

who was saying beefore about prot leveels of haste? im 49% before ittf

[limber bear]

wuuuush

[dry frost]

Big haste = big dps

[spare goblet]

Haste % goal?

[dry frost]

At least 90%

[acoustic tundra]

need more corruption for that

[spare goblet]

So if you're on a new character and want to craft vers wrists etc you are locked to one crafted item per 2 weeks?

[worn quiver]

question: somebody who just trying out arms what would the haste crit %to vers mastery%? if that makes sense?

[wind flicker]

The answer is always in the sims

Raidbots

[worn quiver]

thats something ive never learned how to use within raidbots

[wind flicker]

Just sim droptimizer and grab the highest upgrade from there

Or you can take reference from the wowhead guide

There is a "bis list" on there

[dry frost]

If you want a rough goal it’s Haste>Crit>Vers>Mast

[wind flicker]

no

Its not as plain as that

Just always sim it

Just get highest ilvl gear, and sim what pieces are best through ur droptimizer

[dry frost]

What’s wrong with that huh? The answer is always sim but some people don’t exactly care enough, will look at a stat, and be like better or worse. That “prio” is just a copy paste from the wowhead

Hence me saying “rough”

[spare goblet]

I haven't simmed a stat prio since legion. Is it just quick sim?

[dry frost]

I never said follow it like the Bible

[copper summit]

325k overall dmg in NOK +8 ok?

[dry frost]

Stat weight sims are kinda dead ngl

[wind flicker]

U can do stat weights, just gotta know what ur doing really

And u got to do it again after every piece of gear u change

[spare goblet]

So how do you figure out what you need?

[sour forge]

Droptimizer or top gear

[lost forum]

Question....Bloodmallet says one thing, Wowhead says another, and Icy says something different....what trinkets do I really want for Arms? I'd say OCE for certain, but isn't that pretty lame if you don't have a group with it as well?

[wind flicker]

Its the same with incarnate icon, to get full use u need a healer and a tank with it

OCE is more adaptable because u can choose which secondary stat you want

[gray steeple]

Arch posted earlier that he may redo recommendations. Search his posts

[sour forge]

I wanna say I saw talk of icon>oce if no one else is running the counter parts

[random ibex]

what mythic+ builds are people using with s3 tier?

[dry frost]

I imagine the mythic+ build that is on wowhead should work fine, just spec out of cleave and put the point in bloodborne

[tough steppe]

WRONG TRINKET AIYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[sour forge]

Single bs build

Rip scorps

Get to kicking those balls

[lost forum]

And I just droptimized it, and it came back as spiteful Storm as the best trinket...

followed by Manic, Anvil, branch then Signet

[copper summit]

why does details say i did 325k but warcraft logs say i did 263k in a m+

[nova marsh]

are you looking at overall or a single encounter?

Was there an aug in the group

[copper summit]

overall

no

[wind flicker]

Details pauses during out of combat

Warcraftlogs doesnt

[grand idol]

wcl is probably total time

yea what he said

[wind flicker]

if u hover over ur % active u'll see the same number

[copper summit]

ahh

[grand idol]

I think you can set details to treat m+ as a single log too

[reef glade]

respectable azure vault

[grand idol]

Somewhere in the settings

[reef glade]

man i guess i rly did NOT hit cleave that dungeon

[proud plover]

fucking auguy is so good fo prot im buying it next week for arms also cause i tank alot

look at this shit

[buoyant axle]

[proud plover]

well next bullion buy

[proper moth]

[proper moth]

Play a DH, Lock, or Spriest

[willow igloo]

what trinkets should i be looking at to buy with bullions for m+?

[wind flicker]

U first want leggo upgrade and eranog ring

[willow igloo]

i currently dont have axe atm

[wind flicker]

Look at this post

[lucid nest]

I don’t need to buy ashkandur because i have drop the sword in the vault

[sturdy jewel]

What's second best weapon after lego

[reef glade]

ashkandur

[gray steeple]

Askandur

read about it in the pins

[lucid nest]

Ashkandur

[rigid prawn]

In the execute phase do i use 2x execute then mortal strike or 2x overpower befor mortal strike?

[golden thorn]

all guides and resources ive seen say 2x execute then MS

[rigid prawn]

Okay thanks

[proud plover]

Ms > exex3 > ms or ms > exe x 2 > op > ms deepending on rage

above 40 rage exe below 40 rage op

like this

[rigid prawn]

👍

[elder moon]

someone use Screaming Black Dragonscale?? arms warrior use this?

[nova marsh]

The proc is good.

The on use is almost never usable lol

[daring heron]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7TQpDapTsztG2WaYMrJLSJ

holding my upgrades for mythic ashkandur drop paid off

[candid kindle]

so much speed wtf

boi b hotwheels

[daring heron]

speed was the only affordable tert on the AH

i'll take it

dps increase to stay on targets

[candid kindle]

hm/piece?

[daring heron]

was like 900k and 750k

[violet steeple]

OCE so sick

Jelly broheem

[daring heron]

yea well we only have 1 other OCE user rn

[candid kindle]

i had 0 oce drops on all three difficulties

[violet steeple]

Ye we had no dice on em

[candid kindle]

rough

[violet steeple]

Ah well surely sark drops gloves Monday and I can move past my shit tier 502 gloves

[daring heron]

i think i simmed with no ally buffs in that top gear sim lmao

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d21YR96ozCgCe7Jim3m6xi

[noble anvil]

wait we are not getting a 2nd crafted item this week ?

[nova marsh]

no

we never were

It's a full spark week one, half spark evrey week

[latent hull]

Is fury that bad

Will it gett better with max ilvl fyralath and ashkandur

[nova marsh]

It will if you believe

[brittle lichen]

Sim has me pressing Thunderous roar on pull but guide says once test of might procs, which do you guys do?

[daring heron]

the sim way

either works fine though, basically no diff

[brittle lichen]

Gocha, what was I thinking. The sim is always correct

[daring heron]

where in the guide does it say that anyway

[brittle lichen]

Oh Im dumb it says to use it during test of might during the execute phase

Its in the raid single target section

[daring heron]

that makes more sense

[unborn canyon]

no, its just that bad

[elder ice]

Guide says Roar during Test of Might or In for the Kill buff window for Execute and Roar during Warbreaker or Hurricane for Cleave and AoE

[violet cape]

whats the raid cleave build? is it just m+?

[nova marsh]

We don't really do raid cleave

[fierce patrol]

guys, how do I properly use puzzle?

im rly fcking it up

[wind flicker]

You activate it before you engage the pack

[fierce patrol]

can I use avatar while casting it?

[wind flicker]

You mean the old way of channeling it during ur procced bladestorm with blademasters torment?

Quite sure all of the old ways have been "fixed" since they put it on the gcd

[violet cape]

so for warlord or multi add fights just use the ST build?

[nova marsh]

For the most part yes

Unless it's specfically for a very heavy add/aoe fight like assault, Council or add duty broodkeeper, arms stays ST the entire time

[brittle lichen]

Ok cool I was worried I had to go ST for assault lol

[nova marsh]

That's literally trolling on any spec

[olive nest]

Pure ST on all bosses is the way

Ethical boss slayer

[hazy flower]

u absolutely should go full st on assault

wtf

[olive nest]

Try to add pad is a L

[hazy flower]

just phase it earlier

[latent hull]

Padding is the way to big parses my friends

[olive nest]

[silent gazelle]

yo guys, how much is 4set granting us for arms?

i mean how much single target is difference from 2p to 4p

[elder moon]

Screaming Black Dragonscale not good for arms?? That is sad..

[silent gazelle]

do u maybe have some spreadsheet?

[obsidian topaz]

Why do we only use TRoar during Test of might (after CS) instead of during it?

vs regular ST rotation where we use with

[bold granite]

Troar no cost rage

[obsidian topaz]

oh I see

[elder moon]

My trinket goal Augury of the Primal Flame and Screaming Black Dragonscale for my both warrior ha ha..

[obsidian topaz]

on pull in raid do we TC to apply rend?

nvm yes we do

[nova marsh]

Troar inside of tom is a very small optmization

Essentially, it's not really important. Is roar off CD and will be within CS for most of it? Send roar

Cs or tom

[dry frost]

Holy shit boys!

My first 1 mil MS this season

[silent gazelle]

nice!

[dry frost]

Myth Zskarn is officially dead

[bold granite]

Mythic neltharion is actually a joke btw

[dry frost]

Most of the raid has felt like a joke

[bold granite]

His p3 cast is fucking 12s

Noe

Now

[dry frost]

We 1 shot everything, almost 1 shot rashok, zskarn only took like 12 pulls

[nova marsh]

I mean this season is a joke

[cloud dawn]

Is jugg build viable with S4 tier?

[white vale]

i hecking love doing mythic sark and having my cs parried constantly

really cool

[nova marsh]

Actual skill issue.

Tell your raid to adjust and stay behind

Mechanics be damned

[bold granite]

Remove boss parry

[shadow ibex]

dont remove boss parry

add spell resist

let them suffer with us

[olive nest]

[nova marsh]

So wait

Does loosing OP charges even matter anymore?

[reef glade]

https://clips.twitch.tv/BlushingHandsomeSpiderSaltBae-yl5cdAUxntUvPmfy

and sympathizers in the chat

on dogshit mech

very loud btw

[zealous sphinx]

Anyone got the windfury totem dmg bufff for classes

[nova marsh]

This is a literal summary of what happens

The pure rage is enough to make me become both arms and fury at the same time

[silk spade]

i'm gonna have a seiz...

[reef glade]

[bold granite]

Nothing matters

[nova marsh]

Okay i'mma just auto attack gotcha

[pure lotus]

What should I buy with a bullion if I dont have fyralath and already got a max lvl wep from vault?

[olive nest]

Diurnas

[reef glade]

a trinket or eranog ring

[olive nest]

try to loot lego first

[pure lotus]

kk thx boys

[dreamy egret]

hero track but meh saves me some bullions

[reef glade]

pogga

[shadow ibex]

it is pretty fucking stupid that a boss can just avoid your major cooldowns

not even getting in to parry and shit like that. just who does blizzard think that is fun for

"some fights will just have your major damaging window not occur based on RNG"

??? who is that for

[reef glade]

its flavor bro

[dreamy egret]

512 2100 cant get into a singular 7 or 8 and my key is one ive already fucking ran lol

[reef glade]

thats the life

[shadow ibex]

i dont even wanna ask why parry is in the game

just who is that event for

the player's major fun cool dmg time window just being avoided because of RNG

[nova marsh]

It's in the game the same reason hit was in the game till fucking WoD

Because it's a classic RPG mechanic that hinders gameplay that blizzard just hasn't been asked enough to replace

[distant bolt]

IS exe percision working? or is their a reason when i exe i dont see a stack ?

or is it on the target? never been arms so i am curious

[tough steppe]

It's on the target

[distant bolt]

TY

[reef glade]

why is doragosa getting nerfed

again

is that boss like actually hard or something

?

[gaunt zenith]

That was a mistype I think

My bad

lol

Was looking for the google doc for sim inspirations to justify using eb in keys lol

[dry frost]

wow

Whoever was saying nelth is so free now

holy shit is it so free

you can actually just yolo the whole fight now

[shadow ibex]

thats sad to hear

i liked nel

[dry frost]

It took us longer to kill zskarn than nelth

I think nelth is super fun now

Our guild had a huge blast on it

[sage badge]

[dry frost]

No rings this season yet ;-;

[dry frost]

what in the build are you running?

[smoky kayak]

actually have an adjustment (simplification) coming to that shortly

[dry frost]

Wait so its like, fervor build but you arent pressing slam?

or WW i mean

I thought Fervor build was very WW spammy

Collat with no enh SS sounds silly too

but obviously it works like goddamn

[nova marsh]

I mean

was with an aug

[dry frost]

Cookington

he is still cookington

[sage badge]

You don't spam WW

It's there as a filler

[shadow ibex]

this bad boy can fit in so many single target attacks that actually hit a bunch of targets

[grave cedar]

Does anybody still have the super saiyan execute phase weakaura

[dry frost]

fr

[brisk gate]

This normal for the warning?

[dry frost]

No

It means you are running a both hands rune set

[brisk gate]

I tried both sophic and wafting enchant

[dry frost]

Nope thats weapon enchant

[brisk gate]

Ah okay

[dry frost]

The weapon rune make sure its set to mainhand

not both hands

[brisk gate]

Thank you for reminding me

[slender kestrel]

Sup boys, is there not a way to have grief torch cast with bladestorm like puzzlebox used to?

[half vine]

upgrading a former season crafted item with Shadowflame patch on it will bring the enchant effects up to 525 level? or will we need to put a new shadowflame patch on?

[winged creek]

we did it boys

[sage badge]

Yeah. Just need the spark and crest.

[half vine]

ty

[uncut hound]

this is a 11 ULD does this look about right?

died a few times, but i feel like im still coming up short

[tough steppe]

dots and more dots everywhere

man, it's hard to keep up with paladins and hunters

their AOE is just too busted

[teal fossil]

you can definitely keep up with hunters

also you can steal 5% damage from them

due to bshout

[tough steppe]

this one was ilvl 518 tho

[teal fossil]

well thats ilevel gap

[tough steppe]

[teal fossil]

i out damage critcake if hes in shadowlands gear

[tough steppe]

i gotta give bshout to my friends to finish my dungeons, smh

but tbh, idk if my setup is that good for M+

it's the single BS setup

[teal fossil]

this is standard

[tough steppe]

🤔 i should try the double BS one of these days

[candid crater]

anoyone have link to the end of dungeon m+ ilvl sheet

[lost zodiac]

6 aspect crests, 7 hero track, 8 myth vault. 10 max vault

[stable fiber]

9+ is 509, 7-8 is 506, 5-6 is 502, 3-4 is 499, 2 is 496, 0 (1) is 493

[lost zodiac]

Double bs built is underwhelming even in AA imo.

[stable fiber]

method has a good link that would help https://www.method.gg/guides/dragonflight-season-4-end-of-dungeon-and-great-vault-rewards

[paper summit]

you guys ever use double bladestomr in M+?

[royal knoll]

Man the warrior hatred in key groups is unreal. Im 518 ilevel and 2700 IO and cant get a key to save my life. Just spending hours in Valdrakken applying

[paper summit]

yeah, almost better off doing your own. You can improve you chances by Q-ing with someone else. Im more likely to invite a group of friends.

someone that benefits from battle shout maybe?

[teal fossil]

nah not really, host your key and you'll see there are dozens of paladins and warrior applying

[paper summit]

whats the least played tank right now? Someone in guild said paladin was bad

[teal fossil]

brew and war

[paper summit]

people wanna play with their legendaries

[abstract hornet]

everything but dh is bad

[teal fossil]

paladin is always a popular tank despite balancing state for some reason

[shadow ibex]

DH is busted

It's not even funny

[sour forge]

Surprised bear isn’t making a comeback

[quaint otter]

I mean none of the tanks but dh can cc a pack for 30 secs solo

[manic stirrup]

paladin is always a really really popular class

[tiny dock]

isn't that the point though? tons are applying but that doesn't mean they're being accepted to groups lmao

[teal fossil]

yes because theres infinite competition

not because warrior is getting hate

[tardy cypress]

What is the fastest way to farm flightstones?
M2s? hcs?

[quaint otter]

M8s

[tiny dock]

i guess that makes sense, didn't consider it like that until you said it

[quaint otter]

From the Devs

[teal fossil]

like even if you play the most OP meta class

how many people are rerolling to it to compete with you

like pally is probably the best melee dps rn

but there are like infinite pallies

why would i take you over the guy with 1 more ilevel and 50 more score

[quaint otter]

[rancid knot]

for m+ is fury still better? or are they both viable at the moment?

[weak saffron]

This. So much this. It's so much easier as a dps to do run with a DH tanking, it feels like you're free for such a great interval, not to mention all the adds piling up perfectly too

[manic stirrup]

both are viable

a good dh will solo carry the entire dungeon yeah

[sour forge]

I’d even say arms is ahead even in m+

[rancid knot]

vdh has like 15+ aoe stuns

[manic stirrup]

i know i usually say utility is fake, but the one time ill eat my words is in the case of dh

if enemies literally cannot function, your class wins

[weak saffron]

I don't even know how this tank balancing went live. I've just ran a Uldaman with a DK tank and the difference is grotesque (usually do runs with 2 DHs from my guild.)

[rancid knot]

is arms m+ build pretty good with st as well? one thing i didn tlike about arms was that i felt like an ant when fighting bosses

[weak saffron]

Or maybe unbalancing should be the word.

[sour forge]

Arms isn’t that bad st with the m+ talents

[weak saffron]

You lose quite a lot, yes.

Compared to the God comp classes at least

[manic stirrup]

yeah it is kinda weird they didnt chnage sigils

to like

only offensive sigils

[frigid flume]

first dungeon I felt that I played really well, I think my breakdown looks closer to what is ideal

[teal fossil]

how you a cleave hater

why cleave so high in breakdowns lil bro

im assuming this is AA because roar is kind of really high

[frigid flume]

BH

[amber rampart]

Which build are u playing this week +6 and above?

[frigid flume]

are you asking me specifically or just the channel in general

[clever crag]

DN and cleave on top what

So its the “s1” build with cleave spam ?

[frigid flume]

this is what im playing

[amber rampart]

General

[fiery berry]

Just one question, i'm new on war arms if i dont have 2 stacks on Overpower i use mortal strike?
or just on 2 stacks all time

[sturdy jewel]

In execute phase, does executioners precision need playing around?

[fiery berry]

no just on rotation

[proud plover]

In st ms on cd regardless of any buffs

[fiery berry]

sorry i dont understant st ms

[proud plover]

Basically- if you can press ms press it > if you can't press ms press op to reset ms and if you can't press ms or op spend rage on ww to reset op. St ms = single target mortal strike

[fiery berry]

ok thanks

[thorn tulip]

Cleave!

[proud plover]

Not in st

[fiery berry]

if u have thunder clap and overpower, use overpower or thunder?

[proud plover]

Thunder clap to apply or refresh rend

[fiery berry]

sorry but i really learn this spec

okok

thanks

whirlind with proc storm of sword is ok or bullshit tier?

[thorn tulip]

nah i wasnt responding to a question, I was just saying cleave out of excitement cus I saw the bluepost lol

[sturdy jewel]

Blue Post?

[fiery berry]

what is blue post?

[sturdy jewel]

Where is blue post?

[fiery berry]

sorry but i dont understand

[cerulean egret]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-warrior-updates/1833184/4 i think this is what he is talking about. Overpower getting nerfed and cleave buffed. But this is for TWW

[fiery berry]

hmmm ok

[thorn tulip]

yea the cleave buff

[cerulean egret]

Tldr dreadnaught too much damage. Need more cleave

[thorn tulip]

wonder if we’ll still have to use whirlwind

[cold vigil]

this didn't work btw

nvm im dumb

😄

[brittle light]

can we loot anotehr half of the spark

like the first week?

[agile dew]

AoE opener: Charge > TC > Avatar > Warbreaker > WW > OP > Cleave > Thunderous Roar > Bladestorm

is this wrong?

[cursive sun]

just

[proud plover]

No only half spark every week

[cursive sun]

cleave first

and pop everything

if u pop wb that early

ull just lose half its cd using ww and op

archi is going to slaughter me if he reads this

[agile dew]

Rest was fine?

[cursive sun]

im p sure you even cleave before avatar

but dont quote me on that

[agile dew]

Okay

[quaint otter]

[cursive sun]

[humble plinth]

Noob numbers.

[quaint otter]

its a +2 :/

[agile dew]

Is Hybrid build better than full aoe in this week?

[quaint otter]

and excuse me its rookie

[storm lark]

Why would you cleave first? You dont use cleave until after BS. Unless u are waiting for tank to gather everything, no?

[cursive sun]

because u get 8% dmg incresase??

[humble plinth]

I’m level 27 😂

I put up the real numbers.

[quaint otter]

💪

[clever crag]

The rotation this season is kinda… long

All those changing prios and shit

[agile dew]

Anyone who can tell me the most used opener for aoe in the right order?

[fervent hawk]

play it enough and it'll become muscle memory, I didn't find it that different to last season bar adding cleave into the rotation

[fervent hawk]

opener can slightly vary but I don't think it matters that much as long as you follow the general priority, my preferred opener is
Charge -> TC -> Ava -> WB -> TR -> WW -> Bladestorm -> aoe rotation

[agile dew]

You dont Cleave before Roar?

[fervent hawk]

not sure why I would

[daring heron]

trigger 4 set

[fervent hawk]

ah

[latent hull]

Cuz deepwounds increse dmg from ur attacks

Im guessing

[quasi torrent]

u app DW with WB anyway

thats not the reason

[latent hull]

Ye but u hit big with warbreaker then

[fervent hawk]

in that case
Charge -> TC -> Ava -> WB -> Cleave -> TR -> WW -> Bladestorm -> aoe rotation

[sour ice]

making wrists first craft yeah?

[fervent hawk]

some people do BS before WW

[quasi torrent]

WB applies DW before doing dambur

[latent hull]

Guys

Overpower doesnt benefit from cleave right?

[steep osprey]

This actually makes a big difference, I remember playing without doing that and after

[latent hull]

Sweeping strikes*

[smoky kayak]

probably neck, save yourself a socket

but it doesn't matter too much

[sour ice]

a lariat?

[reef glade]

neck?

[smoky kayak]

torc if you're going BSL route

[reef glade]

u mean ring?

[fervent hawk]

BSL neck

[steep osprey]

why ring

[reef glade]

neck costs nothing socket wise

[steep osprey]

you have diruna

[reef glade]

saves 500 gold

[latent hull]

Whats the best aoe trinket from arms

[smoky kayak]

if you make a wrist, you lose a socket
if you make a neck, you don't lose sockets

[reef glade]

But yea forgot vault rings

[steep osprey]

Puzzle?

[reef glade]

o in the context of owning a s3 bracer that already has a socket

[sour ice]

ah so take neck for sockets np, im a JC so thats handy for me

[errant flame]

whats the point of casting WW sorry still learning before BS

[reef glade]

[reef glade]

lots of rage lots of damage

might as well

[fervent hawk]

rage dump and it does good damage

gets it on CD means I can cast it soon after bladestorm

[reef glade]

put it on cd to hit it again after bs

more “efficient” per se to have your abilities on cooldown during bs when nothing else is going on

[fervent hawk]

get WB back off CD quicker

[sour ice]

what embelishment are we using then

[steep osprey]

pins

[thick kelp]

BSL+versawrist

[sour ice]

ty

and crit+ main stat gem or is that a sim, sorry for questions just easier to get a straight answer

[fervent hawk]

sim question

[reef glade]

Ya proly sim

but like it’s not the biggest deal what mainstat gem u pick

it’s only 66 of that stat, u can just make the best one currently and usually sim just moves other gems around to make up for it if it’s “wrong”

[sour ice]

yeah ima just put a crit one in for now i can make them myself anyways

[reef glade]

like if crit diamond is best rn and 2 pieces of gear later u want haste diamond, don’t have to reorder it if u don’t want

[quasi torrent]

robot is king

[reef glade]

🤖

[sour ice]

yeah xD im still missing a lot of gear and 4set so i know il have to move a lot of stuff around later on

[prisma heart]

Secondary food prob better than feast for u btw

[primal rover]

Hey guys, I’ve a question. Recently rolled warrior and I’m in the process of gearing. I don’t have fyr’alath yet, but in preparation for it dropping rather soon, I’ve spent my first two bullions on the scale of awakening. I’ve been told that if the legendary drops for me now though, it’s already upgradable, thus making my first purchase useless. Is this actually confirmed somewhere or is it full horseshit?

[honest girder]

It does

[honest girder]

That’s optimistic

[latent hull]

Whyd my details yday say my op hit same times as i pressed it

[primal rover]

I know

[honest girder]

Best bet is to trinkets until the weapon drops

You could potentially purchase a weapon, but if Lego drops that would be a waste

[primal rover]

Yeah, I’m more interested in the part if the weapon is already upgaradable if I get it now.

[honest girder]

Of course it is

[primal rover]

As I opened a ticket to restore my bullions

[honest girder]

If you have the legendary to apply it to

You are missing the key ingredient for that tho 😂

[primal rover]

Nono, read what I wrote again. I hope I didn’t confuse you with the question.

[honest girder]

You need the scale to upgrade it

If it drops it would be the 496 version after the quest

[primal rover]

Even if I get the axe now, in s4, right?

Oh so I’ve been misinformed

[honest girder]

Yes, because it’s not a physical drop

You get an item that starts a quest

[primal rover]

Time to cancel my ticket

[honest girder]

Also Amir isn’t fated yet, so not one knows

[primal rover]

🏃‍♂️

[honest girder]

I highly doubt it would give you access to an upgraded version, thus fucking over everyone who spent 2 scales

[primal rover]

That was my reasoning as well

It would look as if it’s punishing players who played last season

[honest girder]

Tbh starting any STR 2H user in s4 you are gimping yourself

Best you can aim for is the nelth sword and just hope you get a little orange bonus

[primal rover]

I’m mostly doing it to prep for tww

I mean I had some fyrakk kills last season too

In alt runs and shit.

Not many tho

[honest girder]

Oh ok, this changes things

It’s 15 for 100% chance @ HC

[primal rover]

I had like… 5 last season?

And like 3 this one or smth

[quasi torrent]

quest reward is still listed as 496 yep

[honest girder]

Maybe not as hopeless as it first sounded

Good luck

[primal rover]

Hahaha, ty!

Is it worth full clearing ?

[honest girder]

That said you may not get it for 2 weeks atleast

You may get it tomorrow

[junior scarab]

getting invited into keys is a fun experience, good time to meditate

[primal rover]

I noticed other bosses do give lessers

[honest girder]

If you Cba, I’d just go for fyrakk runs personally

[primal rover]

I mean next week sure

Since it’s fated

[honest girder]

Aye next week you want to clear

Because all loot will be beneficial

[primal rover]

Thanks for the answer regarding scale tho

Might as well go cancel my ticket

[ashen river]

Guys when Do u swap off the legy weapon ?

[quasi torrent]

.. Just buy the upgrade?

[cloud lagoon]

Great day for everyone.

[midnight mural]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hTpCbSagygkG8YGjvy9Pkt sheesh...

2.7k dps over 522 augury

[native spire]

Morning , can someone tell me, whick trinckest are the bis for m+?

[latent hull]

Puzzlebox

[native spire]

Whit cromatic?

[cold garnet]

or whispering incarnate; depends what people have more of

[simple wren]

can i sim with and without augment rune to see the actual diff?

[cold garnet]

yes, there’s a box to check at the bottom of the sim

[simple wren]

aah ty

didnt find it

well still cant

[cold garnet]

i believe in you

[crisp crane]

did they changed timer on emberon in ulda ? cant reflect every clap anymore 😦

timers seem changed

[quasi torrent]

You can

[cold garnet]

you have to pre use it

[quasi torrent]

you have to preuse first ref at 2.5s on the BW timer

[crisp crane]

like ultra pre use ish seem

oof 2.5 sec pre

ty

[latent hull]

You can use it the moment he starts the clasp and have it in time for the 2nd one i think

[crisp crane]

aye still try to remember s1 things 😄 similar to the bleed reflect

[quasi torrent]

s2

[quasi torrent]

think u gotta precast a bit before this

[daring heron]

yeah precast SR 2-3 secs before the searing clap bossmod timer

then youre good

[alpine burrow]

Hey guys! Is the double bladestorm build stronger now for m+? I see many top Warriors running it so I was just wondering :))

[livid summit]

should i wear 2p+2p or wait for 4p for dungeons?

[rare kite]

singular bladestorm better

[alpine burrow]

How about damage wise?

[quasi torrent]

more than 3 is death

cause its 2s cast

[daring heron]

yeee so 2-3 is correct!

[alpine burrow]

Like for m+ specifically

[quasi torrent]

i was just giving a reason why it is correct oki!

[white ledge]

hello ladies and gentlmen, this is my dmg profile, can you tell if it should like this in m+

[daring heron]

appears you are not pressing buttons correctly/enough if your bladestorm and leggo are that high

mortal strike suspiciously low too

[novel hollow]

fixed my stats a bit

[latent hull]

I think i use it like the moment i saw him cast clasp and got it last second on 2nd clasp or smthin

[white ledge]

when do i exactly mortal strike? 2 targets and single target only right?

[latent hull]

I think 3 targets aswell but dunno

[exotic kestrel]

honestly every time Prio damage is needed u MS

which is almost always

MS is almost always either my #1 dmg or close to it in keys

[white ledge]

is there a good guide i can find to optimize my rotation?

[slow saddle]

Still mainly cleave fpr dw

Br op to ms ms to op🤣

Is mantra

Ww 2 times in cs if playing tom

[gaunt owl]

it dont matter anymore

[maiden moat]

hey is [Rumbling Ruby] good for arms in m+ ? or is idol better ?

[rare kite]

1-4 targets with ss, 1-2 without and if you want prio damage

[tropic umbra]

I have the ruby whelping simming higher for me xD

[novel hollow]

is this right?

[proud plover]

looks perfect without context

[novel hollow]

idk i only did 2dungs as arms

just replaced some gear pieces

[proud plover]

well do more, just like that

[novel hollow]

kinda wish this was bis for arms

😦

[proud plover]

id love that ing rn, still using 483 hastee/vers with socket and crafted 486 crit/haste socket+pocket and im sitting at 47% haste

[novel hollow]

im using this and the other one is crafted with fury stats

[dusty venture]

hope we get tuning before TWW prepatch

[rare kite]

was this meant for fury chat? coz arms certainly do not want any tuning

[honest girder]

This

[daring heron]

who knows maybe arms gets ret treatment

[naive sage]

I don’t know man, I have this feeling that arms could use a 400% aura buff, not sure tho I’m no theorycrafter

[rare kite]

I want the ret treatment for tww

[karmic sun]

arms BL when ?

[daring heron]

we already have BL

[simple wren]

needs cr also

[daring heron]

[proud plover]

17 paragraphs, 20% slam buff

[novel hollow]

well just hit 310k ST at 500ilvl

pretty big

[naive sage]

If paladins and dks have crs, not to talk about huge pink class utility, it’s fair that warrior gets bl, or at least the dps specs if they fear a bl tank is too broken

[simple wren]

played some ret last season and thought to myself "no way i would take a warrior to keys over a ret with all their utility and damage"

[novel hollow]

dk's have shit utility kinda

[proud plover]

make rally great again, double its powe in a non raid

[novel hollow]

but paladins are all about utility

lol

[supple blade]

Can someone please explain to me how sweeping strikes interacts with Cleave ik that cleave hits x amount of targets but if i have sweeping strikes with cleave does that cleave hit even more targets ik my wording is probably a bit off but bear with me pls

[novel hollow]

like half their keybinds are utility

[simple wren]

too bad they rarely use any of it

[daring heron]

it doesnt but it creates a 2nd overpower dreadnaught line

[proud plover]

no, ss only makes single target abilitiees hit another target for 75% damage

[supple blade]

Cheers

[daring heron]

so even if you use the majority of your casts on cleave, it's still worth for the gcds you dont cleave

[novel hollow]

hows ST rotation compare to m+ bs build?

or is it similar

[supple blade]

Understood ty very much

[naive sage]

Bro that’s… literally what I wrote

[proud plover]

just play pwar, pwar go boom

[novel hollow]

BL should be inside warr talents

[naive sage]

Sweeping strikes’ tooltip says that it only affects st abilities

[novel hollow]

shouts that destroy ur allies brains

[proud plover]

pwar go burr

[novel hollow]

so kinda makes sense we should have BL

[supple blade]

That would be a step in the right direction to give warr BL it makes sense even for lore nerds

[wintry iron]

would only make sense for fury to begin with and even then it kinda doesnt

[proud plover]

nah just make rally have an additional effect ie increased resource generation

[smoky brook]

Boys I have a question, if I have 42% Crit and use chromatic essence to get additional crit, it goes to 45% but the penalty for exceeding the amount I can’t see it being calculated. Just like the buffs in AA

I then wonder if I should keep the crit or follow the sim and get mastery instead 🫠🫠🫠 feel like it’s sim bait

[proud plover]

take off some crit gear to under 25% then put it on and see the diff it makes

[wintry iron]

always.follow.the.robot. x)

[smoky brook]

I did the Bigdan

It didn’t make any difference

[proud plover]

it gives 3% @ 25%?

[smoky brook]

The buff did not show the value just the %

Maybe my char addon is bugged

Now that I think of it

Nvm

😂😂

Btw boys so you know if bloodmallet is up to date ?

Do

[proud plover]

This penalty is as follows:

From 0 to 30%, there's no penalty.
From 30% to 39%, there's a 10% penalty.
From 39% to 47%, there's a 20% penalty.

crit DR ^^

[smoky brook]

Thnx

[proud plover]

it shows date it was based on EG +

[latent hull]

What about above 47%

[olive cargo]

still we can use puzzle box in bladestorm ?

[latent hull]

I heard thats been fixed

[proud plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/diminishing-returns-on-secondary-stats-in-world-of-warcraft

[latent hull]

Damn

Well my crit mast and haste are all above 30%

[proud plover]

30 is fine, above 40% it starts to drop - simming is the only way to know tho

talenst/pi/lust etc dont count towards that tho - its only actual rating that gets dr

rread that guide for detailed info

[daring heron]

my sim made me stack haste all the way to 52%

[quasi torrent]

💀

robot knows best

[proud plover]

cause haste is still good for ever into the dr and iftk gets better with high haste

[latent hull]

Whats ur mastery

I have like 54% mastery on fury

[daring heron]

dunno like 25

my fury mastery is around 60 with runes, food and BSL

some items get swapped ofc

[latent hull]

And i had 40% haste b4 converting items to tier

[daring heron]

ya same, 40%ish haste in my fury set

[latent hull]

When priests dont give me PI i need my own haste

[boreal quartz]

50% haste plays so well

Psure with pi and bl you fit 3 wws in cs

[latent hull]

Dood

Dood

[daring heron]

[reef birch]

im seeing some high rio people going blademaster + mbg

is the meta shitfting

[halcyon breach]

If you want AoE sure

But you lose a lot of ST for it

[latent hull]

50% haste
Bl
Pi
Enh shammy totem
Augvoker
Monk

[reef birch]

feels appropriate for a forti week, no?

[latent hull]

Autoattacks go brrrrr

[daring heron]

dont look for meta from top ranked io guys rn

[halcyon breach]

Bosses still exist

[latent hull]

Meta is arms warrior

[halcyon breach]

And it's not a lot of AoE you get

[boreal quartz]

Remove aug

[halcyon breach]

For how much ST you lose

[latent hull]

But soon will be fury warrior trust in the process

[hazy flower]

no its week 2 people playing random shit because its fun

[daring heron]

and also people arent trying yet

push will happen when ppl are geared

[reef birch]

prety sure mbg and blademaster was exactly what ppl played in s1

[hazy flower]

doesnt mean its the play right now

[reef birch]

if anything going executes and warlod is a newer thing

[latent hull]

My guesses for meta

[daring heron]

things changed since s1

[hazy flower]

but I see where you're coming from

[novel hollow]

probably better now

[latent hull]

Vdh Rdruid Spriest Warlock augvoker

[hazy flower]

mage?

[daring heron]

sounds reasonable

[latent hull]

I mean maybe but the mages ive had in my group werent doing pog dmg

[hazy flower]

they bring

5% buff

to everyone else

[latent hull]

So

[hazy flower]

like damage wise warlock is nuts

[latent hull]

What ur implying

[hazy flower]

wdym what am I implying I just said xd

[daring heron]

pug mages probably are the worst

[latent hull]

Is we switch warlock for warrior

Sounds good to me

[daring heron]

find a real good mage and you'll see the diff

[latent hull]

I c

[hazy flower]

avg pug mage

is so bad

and some of them wont press cc

in their skb

[boreal quartz]

Real good mage is immortal

[hazy flower]

like they will make arguments against it

[latent hull]

@daring heron will u be doing tgp

[boreal quartz]

And does immoral dam

[daring heron]

no

[hazy flower]

its literally just mage syndrome

[boreal quartz]

My overall>your deathcount

[hazy flower]

ye

[storm lark]

When do we press leggo on aoe opener?

[hazy flower]

why press 1 cc when tank calls for it

when you can do 20k more dam

and have group wipe

[boreal quartz]

Real

[hazy flower]

[boreal quartz]

Wipe is good for overall trust

[hazy flower]

"MY SKBBBB"

[latent hull]

But we need a warrior on the stage

[daring heron]

tank wasnt pulling big enough for bottom dps mage

love main character gamers

[broken ruin]

name checks out

[hazy flower]

ive seen this guy in lfg quite often

pepega

[exotic kestrel]

bet he blaimed tank for his low dps aswell

[quasi torrent]

this guy is a walking L

[daring heron]

damn is he well known or something

my first run in with him

[quasi torrent]

ive had the misfortune to play more than once with them

[tropic umbra]

when do i use the lego in single target raid spec? There isn't any pause between ToM and CS xD

do i just delay a cs to fit it in or jsut send it?

[daring heron]

the former

I mean

do it before cs is ready

[tropic umbra]

wait until after ToM is done, or just use it at the tail end of ToM?

[daring heron]

i tend to press it a few seconds before cs is ready again

[quasi torrent]

which does happen to be in ToM quite frequently

just send it

[tropic umbra]

fair enough, so just send it in ToM before you dive back into CS

[daring heron]

yep

[tropic umbra]

rage spending in CS is far more important afterall

[hazy flower]

ye whatever u do in cs affects your tom

so might as well do it in tom

[tropic umbra]

now i just gotta fix my WA so it stops overlapping xD

that fancy cast bar CS/ToM one is too pretty to not use

[olive nest]

Mages am I right

@boreal quartz

[tropic umbra]

Mages?

[olive nest]

#arms message

[tropic umbra]

oh, hahah

doing lfr just for flightstones, goddamnit blizz. up the drop rate

[lapis totem]

I think cleaning heroin non-awakened raids still give 90 per boss

Idk about lfr and normal Non awakened

[boreal quartz]

Wdym bro

[lapis totem]

It should be the fastest way

[boreal quartz]

Fucking @ s me...

[olive nest]

Guy plays fire mage

Non aware

[boreal quartz]

I would never

Arcane purist now

[lapis totem]

What are yalls stats looking like? I've had so much crit gear I'm at like 38% haste and ~45%crit

[boreal quartz]

35ish crit 48 haste

Rest i dont remember

Xd

[lapis totem]

Mortal strike critting over 65% of the time for me

[boreal quartz]

Cuz tier is 18% crit

[lapis totem]

Yep

[olive nest]

Quick math

[lapis totem]

I still have augury s3 so looking to change it and drop some crit

Been so unlucky with trinkets so far

[boreal quartz]

Bro i just wanna be a hermit playing arcane magus and arms in a mudhut

[serene horizon]

Hey, trying to learn arms, @ how many targets do you guys cleave? And do you always overpower first? I'm terrible at reading priority lists

[olive nest]

3+ targets without Sweeping strikes

5+ targets with Sweeping Strikes

[serene horizon]

okay thank you

[olive nest]

Try to always have a OP charge spent in aoe so that you can proc a reset when you cleave or WW

OP is probably our largest button in aoe besides roar of course

[storm lark]

Is anyone playing juggernaut in m+?

[daring heron]

some people are

[lethal stream]

guys i need macro for puzzle box

bladstorming

[daring heron]

it's a decent ST increase, i still prefer reckless BS build though

[olive nest]

Same same

Might try jug on spiteful week for the hell of it

[halcyon breach]

You can't macro them together

[odd ledge]

#showtooltip Avatar
/Use Puzzle box poggers
/Cast avatar

[halcyon breach]

That is the exact same as just using Puzzle then using Avatar after it's done

[sacred zodiac]

You cannot stop me

[halcyon breach]

crazy ivan rush

[sacred zodiac]

two flak trucks approach your MCV

[daring heron]

isnt this the blademaster box macro

[halcyon breach]

If it was you'd have Avatar before Puzzle

no?

[hazy flower]

think its

irrelevant

[daring heron]

hmmm yes

it is

double bs is dead to me

[hazy flower]

I mean the order

[lethal stream]

do you have macro for this?

[hazy flower]

I think it worked for me both ways

[daring heron]

no

[hazy flower]

when I was testing some stuff on dummies in s3

[daring heron]

i would have thought puzzle ava would just cast puzzzle and not do ava at all

[hazy flower]

yeah thats what I thought but I think (hope im not spreading misinformation here) it's irrelevant when I was trying to make blademasters + puzzle box + fyralath macro

[sacred zodiac]

i mean ngl doesnt this just take 3 minutes to figure out ingame if you really want it

[hazy flower]

im leveling

soon I'll have level 70 blue man

[halcyon breach]

Speaking of leveling

Timewalking hidden strat for vault

Just reached 70 and had a wep waiting for me 😎

[daring heron]

insane

[sacred zodiac]

im going to blast you

[halcyon breach]

You can't, my weapon is titanforged

[daring heron]

you even titanforged an item

damnit

[sacred zodiac]

blasting you as we speak

[halcyon breach]

very rude

[sacred zodiac]

my truck is loaded

[steady plover]

sometimes you talk as if you are king of sex

[sacred zodiac]

@muted grail why you talk as if you are the king of sex ?

[halcyon breach]

wrong tag

[frigid lava]

you rang?

[halcyon breach]

noob

[robust ridge]

king of sex, not king of discord tags

[sacred zodiac]

ravel in for a treat

[boreal quartz]

@steady plover Spongie only sitting on his balls scratching his nuts

[steady plover]

yeah one leg on the pc table , one hand on the keyboard and the other hand scratching his nuts feeding on the social welfare of the Scandinavian tax payers .

[halcyon breach]

Germany new Scandinavian country

[steady plover]

anyways benzai i thought you got burnt out at one moment this expansion , i recall you stopped playing for a while . but i feel satisfied seeing that you have gotten the yellow name . well deserved

[thick kelp]

big upgrade for germany

[quasi torrent]

big downgrade

[rare kite]

can it replace denmark?

[quasi torrent]

Denmark isnt real

[halcyon breach]

thank you, couldn't have done it without the likes of you around

[halcyon breach]

hopefully

Denmark being deleted from history wouldn't be so bad

[steady plover]

nah you deserve it even without me , the amount of Dedication, Commitment ,and helping others here is mind blowing , if the everyone like you we will live in rainbow and sunshine . trust me i have been in many discords , i haven't seen someone with a good heart like you .

[cold garnet]

🌈🐬✨

[boreal quartz]

🌈🐬✨

[quasi torrent]

baltic states sea access 📈

[gentle charm]

im setting new ui since i got new pc, in weakauras there used to be premade auras section, now its gone

did i miss something?

[quaint summit]

does legendary upgrade bug still ocurs? i updated wow, reloged, nothing works.. it still wants aspects for me, yet i have 528 another weapon

[olive nest]

You should still be able to use those when you create new

I had the same 528 weapon and it still cost me 30 aspects to get to 535

I think that is intended

[quaint summit]

but i have legendary only 525 and to 528 upgrade it wants 15 aspects even if i have 528 another weapon

so to 535 it wants 45 aspects for me

[olive nest]

That’s seems wrong yeah but I don’t have a explanation for that unfortunately, maybe someone else does

[carmine badge]

Do I have to snapshot any of my bleeds or do they work dynamically

I keep seeing people using thunderous roar and then Avatar or Colossus smash and I feel like that doesn't make sense because of snapshotting

[molten timber]

I'm 90% sure only feral druids have snapshotting still no?

[hazy flower]

dynamically

[sacred zodiac]

ye snapshotting isnt really real anymore unless specifically outlined

[hazy flower]

the only kind of snapshot arms has and which you shouldn't worry about or try to make is your mastery

[brave garnet]

Meanwhile he’s over here deleting entire countries

[cold garnet]

fully relog, when i first bought the wep after the hotfix it still wasn’t properly tracking it as upgradable

[runic igloo]

Best to sim for arms is with dungeon slice? or with patchwerk 5+ targets? (for M+ simming)

[tiny dock]

critcake says he just sims patchwerk

believe in the critcake

[daring heron]

aoe sims arent useless

i just dont base my gear around them

[runic igloo]

ye i was just wondering for my trinkets tbh 🙂

because Patchwerk 1tar would say this for example

5 targets would say signet

[thick kelp]

try dslice

signet very bad if u let it drop in key

[frigid lava]

Yall don't bring shockwave to M+?

[sage badge]

Not really, unless your group comp needs it

Thank goodness DN getting nerfed in TWW

[gaunt owl]

massive DN

[sage badge]

Deeznaughts

[daring heron]

[boreal quartz]

@gaunt owl how do the french say 19

[gaunt owl]

huehue dissnuts

dix-neuf written

[boreal quartz]

Yeppa

[supple blade]

anyone have some recomendations for the damage profile my char is not optimised for Arms rn but just a general overview am i not casting something that I should be casting more often ? for context it was uldaman +2 did 391K dps in a 19 min dungeon

[boreal quartz]

That's few ms?

More tc than ms is cursed af

WW below wb is cursed

[olive nest]

DN owning though

[supple blade]

Yea see thats the problem Ms is low but from my understanding it should only be used on 3 or less targets with SS and I had a cracked tank he was always pulling big so was using cleave more but yea def need to work a bit on my arms

[quasi torrent]

it was a +2

[boreal quartz]

52 ms 80 tc

[sour ice]

is DN ideally ment to be top dps?

[boreal quartz]

Not normally

[sour ice]

because i got this in a 4 halls

[rapid bronze]

I'm getting deep wounds and roar as top damage

[sour ice]

i dont have current 4set

old set atm

and im working on what my breakdown should be

this is a 4 halls

[hazy flower]

the higher the key level the more will bleeds do

[rapid bronze]

also cleave in 4set does a lot + deep wounds from it

[boreal quartz]

Arms unironically has low keys warp your damage breakdown a LOT

So it's hard to judge off a +4

[rapid bronze]

is it just me or do a lot of top warriors seem to be going double bladestorm on fort?

doesn't that nuke your ST?

[sour ice]

i got a +6 life pools and the breakdown is the same

[boreal quartz]

Havent seen anyone do it

[rapid bronze]

im looking at raider io profiles

[daring heron]

yeah i keep hearing this but no names

sides, i bet you're a "top warrior" right now if you just did +11-13 in all dungeons last week and this week

[rapid bronze]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-spec-rankings/season-df-4/world/warrior/arms

[sour ice]

[rapid bronze]

just looking at top 10 it seems an even spread

[sour ice]

another question in aoe do we sweeping strikes and prio cleave over MS if more than 2-3 targets? or just cleave and SS with MS

[rapid bronze]

would feel too janky of a rotation for me with double BS just wondering if there's something I'm missing

[sour ice]

or just spam overpower

[daring heron]

there isnt

you trade a lot of ST and gain a small amount of aoe

[mint delta]

What I see is some are taking MB and 2xBB instead of massacre and EP

[rapid bronze]

ok good, status quo it is

[mint delta]

Is that really worth this week?

[daring heron]

no EP is disastrous for your ST

[steep osprey]

[rapid bronze]

big

man I need better trinkets I only have blazebinder and neltharion's call atm

[rapid bronze]

i feel like nelth is constantly proccing too so it's like perma 5% extra damage taken

[steep osprey]

[rare kite]

that's for the big overalls in like algethar academy, will make timing the key harder than regular build

[rapid bronze]

you can also just become a ret and solve this problem for yourself

if overalls are the deciding factor

[rare kite]

if overalls is the goal destro or shadow is the play

[devout bolt]

guys, what's BSL neck

[rapid bronze]

blue silver lining

[halcyon breach]

Crafted neck with blue silken lining

[rapid bronze]

silken*

lmao silver lining

[devout bolt]

okaay