arms

[reef glade]

yea at a base level good place to start in raid

there might still be more going on but thats just what i glaringly noticed

[strange perch]

TC applies rend.

[hard cedar]

TC applies rend

[reef glade]

in general tho try to just always hit MS on cooldown

jynx

give eachother a soda

but i think he meant highlight the rend dot

[strange perch]

Lol

[reef glade]

not the button

[bronze loom]

yes i know that

[reef glade]

just to "pay attention" to the rend timer

[bronze loom]

i mean that, i just dont press tc that much in raid

[reef glade]

yea

[strange perch]

It’s the internet always be overly specific.

[bronze loom]

so try crit flask?

[reef glade]

o i mean u dont gotta do that... only if youre comfy with living but it is generally a higher dmg trinket

just at the cost of it hurting you

[bronze loom]

yes

[reef glade]

verse 99% of the time better tho

staying alive better than maybe doing like 1k more dps and being in danger during high dmg parts of a fight

[bronze loom]

specc is good?

[reef glade]

wot

[bronze loom]

for m+

[reef glade]

o yea i mean the normal bs/cleave one i think yea

[reef glade]

guess didnt rly answer that too well either hmm

uh i think u take massacre still?

over 2 bb

for more st/prio at least

bb def more aoe dmg

whatever fits the dungeon i guess

[strange perch]

^^^

It’s what fits / what your group needs kinda thing mostly.

Like HoI massacre = love.

[bronze loom]

hmm

[reef glade]

idk if logs is accurate for m+

but just trying to look at this algethar

for dmg on lashers at least

[charred brook]

i was just thinking

is exhiliarting blows a sim trap

because its rng

[reef glade]

did u only hit cleave 9 times

in about 2 minutes?

well

not all of it is in combat ig

dont think i can rly remove the spaces

so not in 2 min i guess anyway

but i think you might just need to hit more cleaves on aoe

[bronze loom]

hmm

[reef glade]

or yknow

i just found a log of my own in alg

its only a 9 so not rly the same

but cleaves are similar

[bronze loom]

hmm

[reef glade]

in a similar time

i think u needa hit more overpower

the left is your casts for the dungeon, the right is mine

its not exactly 1:1 because mine was a 9 tyrannical and yours was an 11 fort

so like a LOT of my overpower damage is on bosses

[bronze loom]

hmm

[reef glade]

but 53 warbreakers vs 30 is a pretty big deal

are you ever like.. holding warbreaker

for a long time

for any reason

cuz most of the time u prolly just shouldnt

send almost on cooldown

[bronze loom]

sometimes to hold it for roar

but i guess thats bad

[reef glade]

unless roar is like 5-10 seconds away

yeah

you would just send

it comes back really fast

[bronze loom]

just a question about rotation

1 target ms> execute (if possible) > op > tc > slam?

[reef glade]

uh basically yeah, though in execute specifically i think you wait on MS until at least 2 EP stacks

[bronze loom]

yes sure

[reef glade]

so i guess preliminary m+ advice while not all encompassing is hit warbreaker way more, and hit overpower way more

rest i think is "ok" though

similar casts of most other stuff

[bronze loom]

ok i try it

doing a key now

thanks a lot swordish ❤️

[reef glade]

:3

[bronze loom]

i will report if it worked out

[dry frost]

:3

[bronze loom]

:3

[novel hollow]

Does this mean it wont cost crests?

[reef glade]

it doesnt cost crests if you have a higher ilvl weapon

[strange perch]

No it will still cost crests

[reef glade]

up to that ilvl

[novel hollow]

Ahh

Fml

[reef glade]

if 502 is your highest weapon yea u still need to spend the crests

[strange perch]

^^

Else it would be kinda silly.

[hollow axle]

Is there an info link about how much Aspects do we for upgrading rings? Should i save some....

[reef glade]

uh every item costs up to 60 aspects (90 if awakened going to 535 like diurna ring) but you get discounted to 0 crests if you have 1 higher ilvl option (2 for rings/trinkets)

so like, unless you think youre going to eventually get 2 mythic rings for example, that will save some crests, most ppl gonna eventually spend crests on rings and shit

[halcyon breach]

Almost hit it again..

[reef glade]

can you stop

having fun

[halcyon breach]

nop

make me

[reef glade]

[halcyon breach]

Both on Neltharion

[charred brook]

@halcyon breach do u watch/read JJK

[halcyon breach]

I've watched

But not read

[charred brook]

ur hitting the black flash records rn

[halcyon breach]

Not the biggest manga guy

[reef glade]

good

[charred brook]

most mortal strikes in a row

[reef glade]

dont read jjk

[halcyon breach]

real

[charred brook]

somebody told me last night dont run exhiliarating blows

i said have u ever hit 5 MS in a row

then u will understand..

[reef glade]

yea is single target EB actually tech

or u just running that for add

[halcyon breach]

Idk if it's tech or not

But it fucks

so w/e

[hexed saddle]

read jjk

[olive nest]

Peak arms

[reef glade]

do NOT

[charred brook]

i got a rank 50 kazarra heroic parse at like 502 ilvl

because of EB

[halcyon breach]

Pretty sure I've read spoilers multiple times just reading through here

[charred brook]

lmao

[halcyon breach]

So

gg

[reef glade]

me when 100 chapters fighting 1 guy and its still not done

[charred brook]

hes him

what do u expect

[hexed saddle]

peak fiction

[reef glade]

WRAP IT UP

[hexed saddle]

(one piece is garbage for garbage people)

[charred brook]

easiest way to wrap it up is have him kill everybody

WHAT THE FUCK

take that back

[reef glade]

at this point id take that too

like just stop the edging

[reef glade]

(real)

(gets good by episode 600 bro)

[hexed saddle]

EB owns

[spare goblet]

Can someone advise on bullion use for non legendary users? I assume it's between the nelth sword and something else?

[charred brook]

Xan

[hexed saddle]

no better dopamine than slamming MS 5 globals in a row

[charred brook]

are u goated warrior

[hexed saddle]

no

[charred brook]

like top parser

[reef glade]

[hexed saddle]

washed up

bad

dont ask me for help

[charred brook]

fk

[reef glade]

if u have a decent weapon currently ashkandur prolly not biggestu upgrade, but if youre still running like a 489 from last season or something prolly can just send the ashkandur if youre weeks away from leggo

[hexed saddle]

i WILL make u worse

[reef glade]

ask bazed

[hexed saddle]

yeah true bazed owns skyhold

[charred brook]

@snow flame

[midnight mural]

Ask @halcyon breach how to MSx4

[charred brook]

heard ur him

[spare goblet]

Have a 499, both my trinkets are blue

[reef glade]

[charred brook]

do u think a 75% rend uptime can be the difference between 200k and 300k dps

[reef glade]

for sure man

[hexed saddle]

yeah 100p

[reef glade]

uhm i mean, do you plan on running raid for a chance at weapon at all?

[halcyon breach]

Excuse me it's 5 times

[charred brook]

u just told me not to trust u @hexed saddle

[midnight mural]

According to sim - EB is within variance. Like 50-300dps..

[spare goblet]

No. Guild only running one each.

[reef glade]

cause that is some dire straits but you are i think more likely to get random trinkets from somewhere

[olive nest]

Bane literally did 9

[halcyon breach]

EB does go hard on prio adds

[reef glade]

and its prolly best to just send weapon

[olive nest]

Is that record

[halcyon breach]

If you get giga procs like on Nelth

[olive nest]

[reef glade]

bro thinks he hakari

[mild hound]

Does it matter what position on the macro avatar sits in comparison to CS?

[midnight mural]

I need to practice slamming MS

[reef glade]

uh no? but ideally u dont macro ava/cs together

[mild hound]

Y

[reef glade]

but if u like keep track of cs's cooldown somehow i guess you can

[spare goblet]

I just got back but the bloodmallet trinket results are all very confusing lol

[reef glade]

typically tho you'll find yourself having to hit cs desync'd with avatar a lot cause its got a very variable cooldown

[reef glade]

ya bloodmallet a little weird to look at if youre not familiar

generally tho the trinkets at the top are the best

[exotic horizon]

Guys what trinket you going for ? for mythic plus

[charred brook]

puizzlebox

[reef glade]

some onuse / some passive

puzzle/irid is ok

[exotic horizon]

why do you go for the puzzle box insnt sim saying otherwise ?

[charred brook]

good for burst aoe

makes ur roar goated

[exotic horizon]

so it yeild more dmg overall end of dungeon ?

[charred brook]

definitely helps

anythiung that gives main stat is usually sick for our abilities

[noble oxide]

puzzlebox on use gives mastery

[exotic horizon]

so i shouldnt get OCE ?

[charred brook]

oce is good too

[exotic horizon]

Ominous chromatic essence ?

[charred brook]

oce/icon/puzzle/irideus

all good trinkets

[exotic horizon]

ya but at the end of the day iwill get 2 which are the best one ?

[charred brook]

for just m+?

i would go puzzlebox and whatever passive one you like

like an OCE

[exotic horizon]

so do we agree that the best is Puzzlebox + OCE for mythic plus only

[charred brook]

i dont know if its the absolute best but its definitely really good

that is variable based on other people in the group having another OCE and stuff too

[dry frost]

OCE is rough in M+ if not everyone has it

[charred brook]

with all 3 raids awakened theres a lot of combos honestly

[junior scarab]

Would you take algethar hedgecleaver mythic track over sargha's smasher on 519?

[dry frost]

It’s not bad but not the best

Sim it

[exotic horizon]

also i just came back yesterday . Arms is the Goat for mythic plus right ? all the other website put arms on a better tier list than furry

[hollow axle]

On ptr Arch talking about a macro with Leg+Puzzle+Avatar, does that still work?

[reef glade]

leggo cant be included

but puzzle/ava should still

[dry frost]

Arms is very strong dps wise but lacks utility as always

[dire hinge]

Puzzlebox can no longer be macrod

It has a GCD now as well

[exotic horizon]

i remember we used to use puzzle box without castiing it etc dose that still work i forgot how i used to do it

[dry frost]

Dps loss to take shockwave, lack of cc compared to other “meta” specs, relatively poor survivability in some keys compared to other specs

[dire hinge]

That said, they increased its duration from 20sec to 30sec, so just precast it before your CDs and itlll last for the full duration of your burst

[reef glade]

finally tested this out after 12 years of yapping

yes this has never not worked

you just cant include leggo

it also requires you run double bladestorm

which is troll in most keys

[minor gust]

Avatar puzzle box has always worked

[reef glade]

you can avatar/puzzlebox at the same time

yeah

but this is the macro ppl used in s1

[dry frost]

Most people aren’t using Double BS this season no?

[minor gust]

Yee I still have it

[dire hinge]

Yeh, one GCD per macro, can’t do the massive one, sorry, should have clarified better

[reef glade]

ya they arent, but idk maybe for alg

can still be ok

regardless dont even think it saves that much

[dire hinge]

Double bladestorm shouldn’t be taken really, but to each their own

[reef glade]

like yea its rly nbd to spend 2 sec casting it before a pull

[dire hinge]

Guts your boss damage to add not much AoE

[dry frost]

I always thought puzzle box was only really good on double BS cause you could channel during BS

[reef glade]

thats when u go full degeneracy and drop all st damage

[dry frost]

I am obviously uninformed

[reef glade]

for reaping strikes mbg

no its still very good

it was just a nice convenient little quirky thing

u could do it in bladestorm

[minor gust]

The strat is do tree room pull go omega pad on tree boss then portal out and switch back to single BS or jugg build

[reef glade]

minor optimization on aoe

real

[dire hinge]

Now that it lasts 30sec there’s no benefit to it really. Previously it was because the 20sec Puzzlebox would perfectly align to your avatar duration (also 20sec), but now that it’s 30sec you can precast and not lose out

[dry frost]

[spare goblet]

my droptimizer for S4 vendors. Is there any behind the scenes reasons I shouldn't choose CSB?

[smoky kayak]

it worked early on the PTR, but they changed puzzlebox (and a few other trinkets) a few weeks ago to give them a GCD, so they can't be combined with other on-GCD things anymore

but yes, Bladestorm proc from Ava still works as Sword pointed out

[reef glade]

its not that good in m+ if you plan to m+ a lot

unless u play around it

but thats rly annoying

[hollow axle]

/use 14 /cast Avatar?

[reef glade]

14 is second trinket slot

but yeah

[dry frost]

That makes a lot more sense. I was also curious with this 4P is it worth sneaking in a cleave or MS b4 you bladestorm for tier?

[spare goblet]

I do mostly m+, which would you choose from that list then?

[olive nest]

Yes

[dire hinge]

Absolutely yeah

[reef glade]

proly like icon for long long term

[dire hinge]

Charge -> cleave -> opener

[reef glade]

augury is also pretty good just not as good on arms as it is for fury

for reasons i dont even rly know

[spare goblet]

Ok. Thanks for your help. I have world quest passive trinket currently.

[reef glade]

so no weapon then?

[dry frost]

Aight I will need to make sure I do that too. I have only really been hitting 400k overall on heavy add keys like BH and AA so I should prolly optimize

[reef glade]

nbd tho good trink still good

[minor gust]

Double stat trinket M+ gaming icon and oce

[reef glade]

i mean 400k still pretty good

[spare goblet]

I have a 502 time walking 2 hander

[reef glade]

but yea maybe it can go a bit higher

[reef glade]

o thats not that bad

can spend crests to upgrade it too if you want

whenever you get em

[spare goblet]

Do you continue to get bullions per week?

[reef glade]

1 a week yeah

you buy an item every 2 weeks

cuz u need 2

[spare goblet]

Ok cool. Wasn't sure if it was like 2 for the season

Blizz likes to do weird shit sometimes.

[dry frost]

I haven’t really summed it myself but does anyone know what trink is simming best for short fights? I can’t imagine anvil and CSB top the short fights

[reef glade]

prolly just some statstick

[dry frost]

Is it a WII + OCE angle?

[reef glade]

or if you want to get rly degenerate a insta hit on use

like ik ppl used beacon to parse some fights

in s2

u get 2 beacon crits in 3 minutes

its joever

that or grieftorch

i think similar dmg

[hazy flower]

@dull siren

[reef glade]

grief added benefit of resetting cd if ppl die

[hazy flower]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5iR4TvmG65S5ADeVV8kyph

[reef glade]

actually isnt grief just better than beacon

[dry frost]

Likely

We had a rogue on a scuffed amalg kill do like 400k ST cause of grief resets

[dire hinge]

Scales way harder if you have demon hunters in your party

(Since they fel rush into boss frontals)

[spare goblet]

Have you or anyone messed with Ashes of the Embersoul in mplus?

Coming in 2k ahead in dungeon slice for me.

[reef glade]

ik resident rat gajeel did for certain raid bosses

im sure it is pretty good in keys yeah

[dry frost]

2 min is just kinda scuffed no?

[reef glade]

but idk its just the best raid onuse there is i think

and yea timer not ideal

puzzlebox still better probably

which u cant dinar

[dry frost]

I hate how blazebinders is always desynced

[spare goblet]

Oh yeah 2 minute.

[dry frost]

But it’s my best bet rn

[spare goblet]

So icon still best for me.

Can easily snag a box out of mplus.

[reef glade]

its the most allrounded one yeah

basically bis in m+, still really good in raid

second bis passive maybe

[spare goblet]

This was very educational. thank you all.

Just swapped from DK first time since 2008 so I've got osme catching up to do lol

[dry frost]

I have played mostly fury war since I started in SL but learned arms for S2 Experiments and figured I liked it more than fury. Except S3 I went assa cause I thought the rework would be the best thing to happen to assa, turns out it changed us from boss damage spec to Kingsbane damage spec

So it’s either add pad during KB windows and pray for crits or don’t parse

[gray steeple]

Why are people simming dungeon slice? Is that preferred for m+ for arms? How reliable is it vs 5T/5M? Or vs straight ST top gear?

[real saddle]

hello, what should I buy with first 2 bullions if I don't have the leg?

[dry frost]

I haven’t actually simmed myself Dslice

[spare goblet]

I just got whispering incarnate icon

[dry frost]

Sim it

Prolly Ashkandur or Icon or OCE if I had to guess

[dry frost]

You can sim vendor items in droptimizer on Raidbots

It’s prolly ashkandur unless you have a good weapon already or are close to leggo

[elfin sage]

Is it worth looking into the season as fresh alt without the legendary?

[dry frost]

I mean leggo doesn’t make or break the spec, it’s just a big gain

[real saddle]

i wouldn't buy a wp

[elfin sage]

in m+?

[real saddle]

maybe it fcking drops

[dry frost]

You can just hope and pray

I know my ret that didn’t have leggo simmed best taking anvil over ashkandur so I’d just sim it

[real saddle]

ok,ty

[dry frost]

You always gotta take some sims with a grain of salt cause certain pieces may be more obtainable than others but it can generally point you on the right direction

[elfin sage]

What do you mean by ashkandur? I don't see the item on the vendor

[glossy olive]

Bump! I'm sure you use something like this for M+

[reef glade]

thats the vault vendor

ashkandur is on the one for aberrus

[dry frost]

There are 3 different vendors which are for each different raid

[elfin sage]

ah ok - i will get the ashkandur then as a new player since I dont want to grind the leggy

thanks

Ashkandur - Fall of the Brotherhood?

[dry frost]

Yeah ashkandur is BiS weap for anyone without leggo

[elfin sage]

also for m+?

[dry frost]

It falls short in M+ but it’s still strong cause of its equip effect. You might find certain trinks are a bigger gain than ashkandur in M+

[elfin sage]

thanks!

[dry frost]

Puzzle box is always a really strong, easily farmable trinket from Algethar Academy

For M+

[noble anvil]

is shadowflame good choice if am mainly raiding ?

[dry frost]

Yes

I currently run 1 Shadowflame and Companion wrists

I haven’t simmed my second embel yet since I don’t have a second spark

[noble anvil]

some people are running lariat week 1

[sour forge]

That’s not smart

[timber lynx]

I mean healers probably will

[dry frost]

But companion wrists have practically full value in ST and AOE so it’s strong if you do various content

[timber lynx]

Yeah vers wrists are pog

[dry frost]

Running lariat early seems really scuffed unless you somehow have max sockets week 1

Even then

[hard cedar]

anyone have a weakaura that shows TOM stacks or buff %?

[sour forge]

Most generic ones do

[dry frost]

Umm, I’m not at my pc but yes

I know afenar has it built in but I use an external one

[upper sundial]

puzzle box is god like ❤️

[boreal quartz]

plays cringe tho

[noble anvil]

ya i dont like i might as well go get a fragment

[boreal quartz]

even worse

[shadow ibex]

fragment during exe is gonna be yucky

[upper sundial]

fragments is nice too but damn if you play good with puzzle box the dmg is sick

[shadow ibex]

It's gonna get decreased so fast

[mental flower]

dreadnaught is in fact very dumb

[grim anchor]

whats the crit cap?

[hazy flower]

there is no cap

follow the sim

[grim anchor]

no cap?!

[boreal quartz]

your sims wont overly push it past some point

[grim anchor]

nah I hate simming

[boreal quartz]

but there is no cap

[hazy flower]

on a stack

[timber lynx]

[grim anchor]

I dont understand simming so I dont sim

[boreal quartz]

(gearing beyond 40% in current economy is braindead)

[timber lynx]

robot is ur best friend

learn his ways

[boreal quartz]

click all ur items press button

[grim anchor]

I have 39% :))

[boreal quartz]

get funny top gearset

[boreal quartz]

im down to 30 and like 49% haste

i do as the robot guides

[mental flower]

5400 which is like 40% but sim as always

[hazy flower]

phil

do I

go do heroic raid

in hopes of getting 515 weapon

[grim anchor]

I get guide by human not robot

[hazy flower]

or do I upgrade my lego now

[boreal quartz]

i mean what are u saving hc lockout for

[timber lynx]

Human dumb

[modest moss]

All you do is put the thing into the robot and put on what it says make you do more damage

[boreal quartz]

vip run?

[boreal quartz]

brpo

[hazy flower]

not saving

[boreal quartz]

what the fuck

is ur gear

[hazy flower]

I literally played

[boreal quartz]

uhdpuzaüdoiawud+pa9oid

[hazy flower]

2 days

🐀

[grim anchor]

how u get that axe

[reef glade]

[golden raptor]

Hmm what trinket would be a good one to target from M+ with Puzzlebox?

[hazy flower]

stole it

[boreal quartz]

also fix belt

looks shit

[boreal quartz]

nokhud

[golden raptor]

Yea i was thinking about Idol

[grim anchor]

ahh u stole it from this stupid boss fyrakk

[hazy flower]

yep

[golden raptor]

But needed someone to confirm, ty

[hazy flower]

active gamer

[boreal quartz]

ngl i kinda cba playing beyond raid rn

keys so shit

already all portals and ksm week 1

[golden raptor]

Arms warrior is pumping in keys

[boreal quartz]

[hazy flower]

I was away

for a week

[boreal quartz]

if my class is good in bad content i will not play bad content

[hazy flower]

but honestly yeah keys dont feel that nice

[grim anchor]

ye too many buttons

[hazy flower]

they were seemed better

when I played them in s1

[grim anchor]

s4 dungeons suck

[boreal quartz]

they werent

[hazy flower]

oh wait

I didnt

open my vault yet

[boreal quartz]

u were just newer

[hazy flower]

LMAO

ye I was new

in s1

[olive nest]

Arms owns

[boreal quartz]

if ur new u can excuse everything

[hazy flower]

started week 13 or something so only got 10 weeks of s1

[boreal quartz]

thats why I endured SL

[hazy flower]

I'll take that

can get 4set atm

[reef glade]

who let that into 8 +10s

[hazy flower]

it was all day 1

when all of us

[boreal quartz]

10s was free

[hazy flower]

were rats

[boreal quartz]

at 490

[reef glade]

[hazy flower]

I have 0 keys

on forti

[boreal quartz]

wouldnt recommend anyways

[hazy flower]

true..

I'll prob either gear my sp over this weekend or make magus and focus on that

[undone venture]

Hi arms army

Wich enchant for weapon should I use? Sophic Devotion?

[olive nest]

Probably wafting

Sim is the most accurate answer

[undone venture]

Ngl it's a bad mentality, but I don't like it

I prefer to be classic

Try and fail and said well it can be better but it's what I wanted to be

Don't vale me please😞

[olive nest]

If you don’t want to sim because you want the classic feel then you may as well yolo whatever sounds good to you

[undone venture]

Blame*

[boreal quartz]

sp

[olive nest]

And have fun with it

[raven nymph]

If you don’t like math don’t use it. Simple enough.

[undone venture]

Well in classic stile you ask people better than you for what yo choose or advices

Also y saw the shadowfire shiet it's worth?

[hazy flower]

ye already got sp

[obsidian topaz]

Damn hard mode DOTI is HARD

[frigid lava]

what crafts yall doing?

[obsidian topaz]

in the pins #arms message

[frigid lava]

yea I'm reading that too.. just asking for individual opinions

[obsidian topaz]

thats what I'm using

[cyan lagoon]

A grand total of 1 Asskandur dropped for my guild during the entirety of season 2 across all difficulties.

1st awakened abberus and 2 drop immediately

[frigid lava]

Shit.... that's nothing.

heroic echo dropped 3 shields.

[timber lynx]

We had 3 offhands

No call to chaos sadge

[cyan lagoon]

Call to Chaos is good for arms or?

[frigid lava]

I dunno.. it looks good to me

[timber lynx]

im p sure its decent

[frigid lava]

crit is good for us and i remember its proc was alrgiht

[timber lynx]

definitely better than a 483 signet lmao

[cyan lagoon]

It's dogshit for fury. Then again, fury itself is dogshit s4

[frigid lava]

i hate signet... sometimes it barely does any dmg

[timber lynx]

op+dn combo procs it really easily even in st

If i remember right

[shadow ibex]

Yes it procs off OP and WW

[timber lynx]

yeah

[shadow ibex]

Tclap

[timber lynx]

so proccing it is not a problem for arms lmao

[shadow ibex]

I'm goin for one

[cyan lagoon]

Basically, every arms abilitty

I see

[shadow ibex]

Idk who else is on the trinket but fuck em

[timber lynx]

thats what im sayin

[frigid lava]

I got OCE... with 100 roll

[timber lynx]

but yeah signet man

[quasi torrent]

how is that "deadge"

[timber lynx]

[frigid lava]

btw Doti mythic+0 drops champion grade gears.

I like the hourglass

[quasi torrent]

u should do it on harmode

xd

thats hero track even wow!!

[frigid lava]

what does hardmode like?

i mean drop

hero drops?

[frigid lava]

hardmode hard?

I mean... duh;;

[quasi torrent]

that does depend how bad / good u are at the game

[frigid lava]

new mechanic or... just hits harder

[hazy flower]

both

but mostly latter

[cyan flax]

Guys what should I spend my first bullion on if I don't have the leggo and pretty much only focus on m+?

[frigid lava]

I picked up the eggnog ring but don't count on its damage.

[turbid pebble]

is fragment simming higher than puzzle box for anyone else? for Dslice sorry didn't include originally

[frigid lava]

I just feel safer with high vers

[humble thistle]

we take those

[strange perch]

fury

[humble thistle]

real

[frigid lava]

535 leggo + 528 asskandy sounds pretty sweet

[turbid pebble]

i haven't tried them in keys

[fringe moon]

feels like lego isn't hasted anymore...did they change something?

[turbid pebble]

only on tindral xd

[sour forge]

It seems hasted to me

[cold vigil]

MY FIRST EVER RUN ON THE RAID

(it was on hc but still)

[fast zodiac]

is ST mostly just overpower and MS and exe when can?

[sour forge]

No one wants s3 curio

[cold vigil]

i got 2 bullions

515 here i come

[fast zodiac]

clap to keep bleed up if it run out etc

[cold vigil]

yes

[cold vigil]

yes and whirlwind if you have too much rage to spend

[fast zodiac]

kk ty 🙂

[cyan flax]

What would be a good trinket to buy with bullion if I'm not yet set wether I'm going arms or fury? :x

[cold vigil]

for arms it's the signet brand, i'm not sure abt fury

[sour forge]

Iron is decent if you’re mostly solo

[cold vigil]

oh wait thats not the legendary crafting thing is it?

-_-

im dum

[agile dove]

during a ST raid fight, should i prio TC over slam?

[cold vigil]

tc?

oh

[timber lynx]

you could press slam 0 times in a raid fight and do just great

[cold vigil]

slam deals more dmg

use TC only to reapply rend

if you have nothing else to press you use slam

[agile dove]

even with anger management?

[agile dew]

When am i supposed to pop this trinket during my burst on AoE, shall i bind it with Avatar or shall i pop it at end when im Bladestorming?

[timber lynx]

Youd use it before bladestorm

Im p sure

[agile dew]

yeah for max value right?

[timber lynx]

Think so

[remote talon]

current guides disagree... TC is always higher priority than slam

[timber lynx]

like i said you could press slam 0 times and do great.

especially now since we dont run crushing force im pretty sure

you have even less reason to press it

[remote talon]

we don't actually gain any DPS by not running crushing force though, so if slam were worth pressing we would run crushing force

[timber lynx]

Oh i know

[fast zodiac]

its normal when not exe to feel like have downtime?

like to just TC abit

[agile dove]

just wondered because wowana said that about me not using slam

[regal mica]

I have situations in m+ when i get Warbreaker+ BS up, but no ava+ roar. I do cast them ye? But then I get Awa+ WB but nothing more and i am daubting. When should i hold it?

[somber lance]

should i catalyst a raid finder item to secure arms 4p and finally ditch s3 fury?

[remote talon]

basically never hold them, warbreaker especially

[wind flicker]

Isnt wowanalyzer giga outdated?

[silk spade]

don't use wowanalyzer

[opaque citrus]

Wowanalyzer is extremely spec reliant

Always make sure your spec you’re analyzing is up to date

Far more so than sims which are universally upkept by the community

[novel hollow]

do i use ms when it resets?

or 2stacks

with m+ build

[olive nest]

What scenario are you asking for AoE, ST, a prio target

[novel hollow]

ST

[zenith warren]

vulpera sims -10k dps when compared to tauren kek

[novel hollow]

in aoe i only op -> cleave

and ww/tc on cd

i dont ms

[olive nest]

Whenever ST damage is the goal you send MS on cooldown

[novel hollow]

ahh so when it resets

[olive nest]

Yes

[novel hollow]

ty

[olive nest]

Op is a tool to reset Ms

You don’t worry about the buff from it

[novel hollow]

yeah i just thought it was different from s3 arms

but its the same

[olive nest]

Just about the same yes except we added cleave

And dropped slam

[novel hollow]

i wont be using slam in my rotations prolly

even tho simbot says to use it

[olive nest]

You will not need it

In almost all scenarios where you could slam

You will just TC instead to refresh rend

[hybrid sinew]

ah, i feel like i slam afew times a fight, its very few, but they exist

[zenith warren]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Cleave] Cleave; Slam
replace slam with this macro and ezpz

[scenic sequoia]

what are arms stats

[olive nest]

Yup! ^

[olive nest]

All of them

[scenic sequoia]

-_-

[outer holly]

Yeah there's like a GCD lost every minute or so by not using slam, it's not a lot but it doesn't feel good to lose a GCD

[knotty creek]

I got to much crit I think

just a tad

[olive nest]

Rip haste

[scenic sequoia]

o-o

[weak saffron]

It does feel terrible when it happens to be in an opener

Although in raids you usually have lust with the opener.

[novel hollow]

fury warr gear

[scenic sequoia]

should i get more crit?

[outer holly]

Should never be in the opener, you're gonna have hella rage gen with reck and all CDs up, it's usually after you get a horribly unlucky string of no MS/OP resets with 15 seconds left on CS with WW and TC already on CD

[proud plover]

why so many mastery

[scenic sequoia]

because

[outer holly]

At least with the m+ build you have cleave to fall back on, but ST you just stand there like a slamless fool

[scenic sequoia]

i was fury

kek

[proud plover]

i dont think i have been unable to slam orr ww at any point this xpac lul

[outer holly]

Oh no, in this example some people are saying to not keybind slam, I'm just pointing out the rare occasion literally everything else is on CD, you'll generally have to wait 1-2 seconds to be able to cast if you don't have it bound

[hybrid sinew]

i mean, to each their own, but it seems kinda odd to lose damage for no reason

[olive nest]

You would just cleave instead of slam if all your other ST prio buttons are on cd

[proud plover]

shift+tc keeybind is my slam

[olive nest]

Same as what slam would do

[outer holly]

Well it's a miniscule amount of damage and some people have too many keybinds for their liking

So I get it

I'm considering binding S to slam

[cold vigil]

why though?

[outer holly]

more rage spent

[cold vigil]

i mean yeah it guarantees reset on OP

and slam doesnt

but in ST i think i'd rather slam than use TC on a target i just reapplied rend to

[rare kite]

guarantees OP, reduces cs cd by more and gives more ToM

lots of benefits

[outer holly]

Think of it like a MS prio rotation. Does this ability buff MS? > Is this ability MS? > Does this ability reset MS? > Does this ability trigger something that does reset MS? > Does this ability not really interact with MS?

Plus we dump rage as we can, that's why WW is so huge, rage dump just like TC

[cold vigil]

you would be using other things during TOM like ignore pain and whirlwind in between your MS spam

[rare kite]

ignore pain doesn't work for test of might

[cold vigil]

it doesn't?

[rare kite]

nope

[outer holly]

S2 wasn't it?

[rare kite]

or tactician or anger management

[cold vigil]

i think it doesn't even reset cd anymore. it used to in S2

[oblique hamlet]

ya they removed it in S3

[rare kite]

ignore pain has no offensive purposes(tmy be quiet about silken lining uptime)

[cold vigil]

did they change it in S3? i stopped playing in S2

so basically i should remove it from my hotbar now? 😭

[oblique hamlet]

i think end of S2 or early S3 patch it no longer works with tom or other rage talents

[outer holly]

eff no

[cold vigil]

what has this world come to

[outer holly]

IP is still huge for defensive purposes

[oblique hamlet]

i use it as a regular dr

[cold vigil]

😭

[outer holly]

It just doesn't contribute to DPS

[cold vigil]

😭

no longer can I write an essay to non warrior players about how a "defensive" ability buffs my dps

when they ask why i use it so much

[oblique hamlet]

i mean they dont know that lol

[cold vigil]

that they removed it's dps capability?

cuz they obv don't know the other part

[oblique hamlet]

unless they play warrior why would they remember lol but ya no real reason other than actual DR

[outer holly]

"Why do you use your 12sec defensive so much?" Brother if you're asking questions like that why are you in my key?

[proud plover]

yes you can! ip lessens the time you will spend under 90% hp to maintain higher uptime on BSL- where theree is a will there is a way

[cold vigil]

well shit at least now i know how to readjust my rotation. something was feeling off about how i wasn't getting any OP resets

[cold vigil]

BSL?

[oblique hamlet]

silken lining

[proud plover]

Blue Silken Lining

[oblique hamlet]

mastery embellishment

[cold vigil]

thanks for the heads up though!

[cold vigil]

i haven't gotten there yet

[outer holly]

It's always a good idea to take a look at your rotation regardless, I've been screwing up this entire week but getting a little better every time

[cold vigil]

so basically now bladestorm build is even less viable(cuz you mainly IP during bladestorm)?

[oblique hamlet]

bladestorm build cranks lol

[outer holly]

BS sims very well on overalls

[scenic sequoia]

test of might or in for the kill for ST

[outer holly]

I still believe jugg is the way though

[rare kite]

huh? they gave us a compensation buff for the ip change btw, more than what ip gave

[cold vigil]

but with bonegrinder or without?

[outer holly]

technically MBG sims highest in aoe but it sucks on ST

So we dont recommend taking it

[cold vigil]

i have this old build since S2

[cold vigil]

yeah

[proud plover]

agree

[rare kite]

nahh jugg oversimms in dslice, jugg overrated in m+

[oblique hamlet]

I like Jugg in tyran keys

[novel hollow]

which stat is bis for arms in aa?

versa?

[oblique hamlet]

and BS for fun overall on fort keys

[proud plover]

depends on the rreest of your stats

[novel hollow]

crit is at 25%

[proud plover]

i take mastery in aa because its my lowest stat

[novel hollow]

with rage

[outer holly]

yeah you just trade a point in ~~the bleed talent ~~bloodborne for cleave, drop impSS for SoA and possibly 1 point in CS for stam if you need

[proud plover]

i drropped cleeave talnt and my key dps weent up

[cold vigil]

sim your char

[novel hollow]

dont think u can sim that

[outer holly]

That's nuts, is it overperforming on your sims or think it's a you thing?

[cold vigil]

1 point in CS?

[proud plover]

didnt sim it at all, this is from running keys - same build as s3

[novel hollow]

guess ill just take 5% versa since its raw 5% damage

[oblique hamlet]

ya buffed tier set should make giga cleaves on top of other talents

[oblique hamlet]

cruel strikes the crit talent on war tree

[cold vigil]

i really want a bonegrinder build and just spam cleave, whirl and BS

[proud plover]

vers also buffs trinkeets/fire ring/leggo/helm chant/shadowflame etc - vers good

[oblique hamlet]

there was a S1 build like that

[outer holly]

I also drop something for bounding stride, I refuse to not take that talent

[cold vigil]

whats soa

[outer holly]

Strength of arms, the other choice besides SS

[oblique hamlet]

other choice node

[novel hollow]

also do i align warbringer with regular BS?

[cold vigil]

i used bonegrinder in S1 and a bit in S2

[novel hollow]

since bs is weak

[oblique hamlet]

ideally but it wont always be up bigger prio to me is to align WB with roar

but i may be wrong

[outer holly]

warbringer on cd, but after BS when they're aligned

[proud plover]

mbg also requires reaping swings (3 seec cleave)

[cold vigil]

wait so

when starting a pack, you
-start with BS
or
-start with avatar, Warbreaker and roar?

[outer holly]

charge tc roar avvy bs wb

[cursive steeple]

any gamer have a "Number of Mobs currently being fought" type of WA?

[cold vigil]

aha

[proven glen]

cleave to get ur buff

[outer holly]

I might have TR and avvy backwards

[cold vigil]

tr?

[oblique hamlet]

nah i like TR first for lego dot

[outer holly]

thunderous roar

[cold vigil]

aha

[oblique hamlet]

oh woops

i do charge clap avatar wb roar

[cold vigil]

i might do one more key before bed to practice this

[proud plover]

nah pre roar is fine cause 16 sec dot and it gets full value of avatar+wb and the full 6 secs of hurrricane

[cold vigil]

then bs? that's what i usually do

[proud plover]

• the hurrricane stack

[outer holly]

yeah you want bs after all your dots are ticking basically

[oblique hamlet]

ye depends on what talents after roar i’d do whirlwind/cleave if i’m running torment and mbg

cleave ww cleave then BS before hurricane runs out

[outer holly]

leggo is tricky cuz technically you want to use it before you self buff or after your buffs expire, but mobs usually aren't gathered well enough to get good leggo value while your other abilities could be ticking away

[cold vigil]

i do:
-charge + heroic throw while charging(for that 0.2% dmg increase)
-avatar + WB
-TR
-whirlwind, MS and Cleave to spend the rage from recklesness
-then BS

[outer holly]

So even though I want to use it, it often gets held for quite some time on pull

[oblique hamlet]

replace throw with clap

imo

[cold vigil]

i throw before i arrive, so i have my global CD ready when i hit the mob

[cursive sun]

whats like the fastest way to gear a s1 char atm?

[cold vigil]

literally throw and charge at the same time since charge doesn't have globalCD

[cold vigil]

but is that good?

[outer holly]

You dont want WB inside of Bs because bs does inherently bad damage of itself so it's better off having higher damage GCDs inside it's buff window is the usual answer

[cold vigil]

is that regarding me? cuz i use BS last after all the other GCDs

[proud plover]

do the weekly, buy ilvl off ah until you can q for lfr, clear lfr, go buy weapon with bullion and preey you got 2pc - run all 8 m0's and prrey you get some gear - spam +2 keys until you get items you can catalyst for tier

[rare kite]

you do in aoe

[cursive sun]

chad

[outer holly]

explain? I never heard that before

[rare kite]

in aoe bs does damage so ofc you want bs boosted by wb

[outer holly]

Is there like a mob count when this starts to apply?

[cold vigil]

but then again you can have Cleave and SS+MS boosted by WB instead

[astral yarrow]

2

[honest spoke]

this class is okay

[outer holly]

Well this is all news to me, yeesh

[cold vigil]

ive done close to a million dps on huge packs in S2

[proud plover]

^^ haha that rreeminds me of convo yesterday "wheen do i use ss?" > "+2 mobs" > "what about 3 or 4 mobs?" > "2+ mobs, use ss"

[honest spoke]

this is overall in +11

[zenith warren]

can you do zerg strat on zakali assault boss on mythic?

[cold vigil]

ah

[proud plover]

monk buff? pi? or just slammin

[cold vigil]

don't think so

[honest spoke]

PI & ret aura for dmg buff

[proud plover]

nice

[outer holly]

I've had my fair share of sussy SS questions myself hahaha

[cold vigil]

idk about the tuning on awakened but you couldn't on normal mythic

[proud plover]

with multiple aug buffs +udk/pi etc you could

[oblique hamlet]

could at end of S2 so you need pumpers

[lone imp]

So uhhhh uld trash slaps

god damn

[cold vigil]

what's this icon btw? your pfp

[lone imp]

[rare kite]

vicious contempt, fury talent

[cold vigil]

gotcha

icyveins says this is one of the bis trinkets for m+. yet to try it on big packs

[proud plover]

one of the best trinkets from m+

[spare goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-big-dunk-basketball-chris-dudley-shaquille-o-neal-gif-13864249

[supple prism]

I'm using this over a 522 puzzle box cause I hate precasting that trinket

and I awlays forget too

[steep osprey]

Sucks that it’s not 1.5

[cold vigil]

drednaught is fun 🙂

[outer holly]

on use damage ability trinket? Straight to MS macro

[cold vigil]

how to do macro?

i still don't know how it works

how do you say what you want pressed?

if i wanted to bind something to MS do i have to write in this field? and what do i write?

[proud plover]

what ya want to bind?

[cold vigil]

uh for example anvil

(maybe not the best example)

[proud plover]

#showtooltip Mortal Strike
/cast Mortal Strike
/use Elementium Pocket Anvil

[cold vigil]

aha

what's the #showtooltip for?

[hybrid bolt]

does macroing Grapnel with Charge work?

[proud plover]

shows icon as what it will be if you use macro

[outer holly]

Can also be /use 13/14 depending on slot if you want the macro to be interchangeable between trinkets

[somber lance]

i just gained 30k dps going from s3 fury to s4 arms on ST and the ilvl difference is only 4

[proud plover]

im in a rlp atm yeah soz

[outer holly]

guy's out here writing macros while dodging dragon breath

[nova marsh]

So

Is arms back to needing an enhance to do actual damage

[outer holly]

To parse yeah

[nova marsh]

Cool good thing I don't care about that.

Because I'm never getting an enhance group

[naive sage]

To show the tooltip

[outer holly]

It's good dam but it's not begging for it like sub does

[nova marsh]

Is it like a 20k loss again

[honest girder]

Well done

[outer holly]

For sub I think it was like 15-20k something like that

[proud plover]

eg icon will swap to whats active - prreessing shift will change icon to slam in this macrro
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Slam ; Thunder Clap

[outer holly]

Arm was like half that

[nova marsh]

So like same as last season

[outer holly]

not like much changed

outside of exe

[nova marsh]

Exe just went back to how it was really

Before s3

[outer holly]

Yeah I'm a big fan, hated the string of 8-10 exes and randomly changing priority based on which proc was active when

[somber lance]

do you guys still run wafting?

[nova marsh]

Haven't been told not to by Sims

[somber lance]

guide says sophic is bis but wafting sims better for me

[nova marsh]

Exe spam last tier was just boring

[nova marsh]

Trust Sims.

[somber lance]

yeah always do

[proud plover]

well finally got a trink

wtf am i gonna do with all this haste lul

[dry frost]

That’s about what I run haste wise

[proud plover]

43% before hoof tho

[dry frost]

I sim best at about 43.5%

That’s while running crit rune

I go like 50+% on Prot lmao

[proud plover]

haha many DR haste

[mortal crag]

hi fellow arms players!!

[dry frost]

But that’s with into the fray

[proud plover]

same crit rune, mastry proc lariet

[mortal crag]

how my stats lookin?

[proper moth]

5/7

[proud plover]

perfect, now sim for any changees

[mortal crag]

no rune btw

or pot

wym any changes

[dry frost]

My oce sims best on mastery but I run haste anyway

[proper moth]

Ask the sim

[proud plover]

just sim all upgrades from those stats, there isnt any caps eetc just the robot

[mortal crag]

like, just topgear?

[proper moth]

Yep

[mortal crag]

gonna change my sockets

we un-furying

[proper moth]

Bois I’m losing motivation to degen on my warrior devoker gigablasts

[thick kelp]

warrior pipes on deva tf

[proper moth]

lol where you seeing that

Dev is stupid rn

[candid kindle]

go check the ladders, there is like 1 warrior that figures, all thje rest are frost mages dev's and spriests

in every fight

[proud plover]

in m+? its not dev thats aug

[candid kindle]

raiding im talking

but m+ is pty much the same lmao

frost mage is broken af

[thick kelp]

Deva = owned

[proper moth]

lol

[candid kindle]

this doiesnt say anything whats is the diff, what fight

[thick kelp]

mythic sarkareth

[final zenith]

does die by the sword parry chance only apply to direct melee hits? or does parry get applied to aoe raid/group wide dmg?

just parry, not the 30% dr that obviously applies

[proud plover]

melee and can only parry attacks from in front of you

[candid kindle]

@thick kelp u forgot this part

[thick kelp]

boss lived 10s too long on my kill

coulda gotten 440k on it

[candid kindle]

gj being on the ladder tho

[thick kelp]

[candid kindle]

massive

[proper moth]

Massive

[thick kelp]

but point is

[proper moth]

Deva a lot less effort lmao

[candid kindle]

no yeah sure but dev is stupid

[proper moth]

Next time I do AA I’ll screen shot that first pull

It’s crazy

[candid kindle]

im guessing frost mage isnt figuring on ladder bc aoe cleave?

[proper moth]

Prob

[candid kindle]

most likely bc every toher fight that is rushed and pumped st frost is on top

[somber lance]

I still have might of the ocean from last season and it sims best atm. do i pop it with avatar?

[proper moth]

When in doubt just send it

[candid kindle]

i remeber the only reason u pressed might before anything was to buff odyn fury as fury warrior

since avatar doesnt do dmg

it doesnt matter if u press it before or meanwhile

in a macro

just press it before u send anything

buffed with avatar

[mortal crag]

HAHA

NO SHOT

I HAVE SO MUCH CRIT HASTE

SOCKETS SUGGEST MASTERY

[candid kindle]

not even vers?

how

[mortal crag]

fully naked stats

[candid kindle]

weird

[mortal crag]

with corrupting rage im at 40+ crit

with haste rune im at 40+ haste

[candid kindle]

i have more haste and same crit than you and my gems suggest crit/haste

[mortal crag]

idk

what rune do u use?

[candid kindle]

i use buzzing rune and vers flask

with buzzing i hit 38ish % crit

natty 41% haste

[sage badge]

DN owns

[candid kindle]

and with vers flask i sit at around 18ish%

[lone imp]

dn

[mortal crag]

im gonna sim hissing rune

maybe thatll balance it out

idk

[thick kelp]

check the alpha notes for arms :despairge:

[proper moth]

It’s fine 70% bladestorm buff

[sage badge]

[candid kindle]

i like this tho

[noble anvil]

whats an ok ToM +% ?

the average

[thick kelp]

idk like 27

[candid kindle]

28-30ish

in lust i can push it to 42%

[noble anvil]

my lowest is 25 highest is yeah around 42-45 i think

[candid kindle]

my lowest was 16 i thinnk

series of fucking bad movement

[spare goblet]

My 2nd keystone ever on warrior - feels good. think the damage breakdown is good

[mortal crag]

there

now for ST it sims haste

my previous sim was dslice

mby thats why

idk

[spare goblet]

can you be knocked back in pve while in bladestorm?

[proud plover]

no

[spare goblet]

Sick

[winged brook]

Whats the best Ruby shell stat to train as arms?

[proud plover]

preeferably another trinket

[outer holly]

no one really uses it, but it's a sim option if you want to know

[winged brook]

ah cool thanks

[spare goblet]

Its not even on bloodmallet lol

[halcyon breach]

Generally no, but there are a few exceptions where it doesn't apply. Off the top, the knockback from the fire birds in Neltharus still knocks you back during BS

[proud plover]

really?

[halcyon breach]

Really

[proud plover]

damn

[halcyon breach]

It doesn't matter too much in most cases, but if you get knocked into fire puddles or the grates while on low HP it can maybe kill you

[sharp tendon]

hey guys i did not play arms in season 1 and i have now 3/4 tier start using in m + cleave when is best to use cleave ? when ss use overpower cleave overpower cleave when can
or always use cleave when u have a proc

[pastel iris]

does mythic fryak 100% wep drop?

[halcyon breach]

No

[spare goblet]

The wind guy in academy?

[proud plover]

just hidee from that guy it hurts

[halcyon breach]

I don't recall the bird knocking you around with the winds

Oh that guy

Haven't tested

But I imagine you don't get knocked

[reef glade]

you dont

[tough steppe]

well, that's weird

these two trinkets aren't like, real bad?

[reef glade]

kinda

whats the sim from