Ye same. Not really interested in parses until now with axe. Also being unlucky with zenith was demoralizing
#arms
astral yarrow
naive sage
Yeah I love gambling 
lone imp
I am a ruby enjoyer myself as well
pure hemlock
Can someone quickly help me? I dont know what to buy with bullion. I DONT have Fyralath and didnt got it this Week. So know the question if Ashkandur is worth it. Or should i buy Omnious/Signet brand? (Mainly M+ with some raids)
lone imp
idk that I'd buy any of those in that position personally
slender sonnet
Guides suggest eranog ring but I guess it kinda relies on you having leggo
naive sage
Can someone quickly help me? I dont know what to buy with bullion. I DONT have F...
Ominous would be a good choice in your situation imho
lone imp
Yeah I think ring is what I would buy but I would be banking on looting a wep of some sort
OCE for a person that is probably unlikely to be surrounded by people wearing it in an organized fashion
seems troll
slender sonnet
My next buys gonna be OCE cause I only have it on LFR
Upgraded my axe and looted mythic eranog ring
lone imp
I need the rang
naive sage
OCE for a person that is probably unlikely to be surrounded by people wearing it...
True, but it is quite versatile nonetheless, considering that he hasn't Fyr'alath and brand isn't easy to use in m+
slender sonnet
Biiiiig
boreal quartz
Wrong neck
naive sage
Such as, the ring
Ring is strong but it won't give him the same dps increase imo, he could sim though
slender sonnet
Wrong neck
Yeah I’m gonna get BSL neck next week
lone imp
I mean if we're just looking for dps increase this week then it's wep
slender sonnet
Lariat for now cause I just had it in my bag
pure hemlock
ye i know. some guides say upgrade for leggo first and then the 2 trinkets. but i dont have leggo and know asking here for help ^^
boreal quartz
How many kills do you have
lone imp
In your position I would be simming my options and simming oce without the additional buffs
pure hemlock
How many kills do you have
around 15-20
chilly hull
how many sparks should i already have? 1.5?
slender sonnet
Yea
boreal quartz
around 15-20
On HC fyeak?
slender sonnet
I hate that I have to do researchers under fire for my spark
pure hemlock
normal around 5, lfr 6 and the others HC
pure hemlock
then hc like around 7
cold garnet
I hate that I have to do researchers under fire for my spark
you just have to be in the area when it ends 🐬🌈✨
pure hemlock
didnt got this week so must wait until next
bzt then, 1 week later so if i get it naxt then 1 more and i can upgrade it
slender sonnet
you just have to be in the area when it ends 🐬🌈✨
Okay good I just go there and AFK
pure hemlock
DPS waist this week and next
pure hemlock
So what should i Sim now. Ring, Signal, OCE, Ashkandur?
pure hemlock
It's fated is it rlly so important
ya thats true
boreal quartz
So what should i Sim now. Ring, Signal, OCE, Ashkandur?
Probably oce, eranog and
Ash if u wanna play fury
pure hemlock
ok thank you <33
olive dust
My ilvl is shit I wanna do m+ on warrior this season but I'm 335 from season 2
slow saddle
M 0
boreal quartz
HC even
slender sonnet
It’ll get you some ilvl to get into LFR
obsidian topaz
Question. On ST in keys (boss fights), do you still TC, MS, avatar, WB, TRoar, the bladestorm?
exotic kestrel
bladestorm before WB
obsidian topaz
asking because the prio guide says to use during test of might buff, but we dont run test of might in keys.
obsidian topaz
bladestorm before WB
Oh perfect. I noticed crit do this and was curious
obsidian topaz
so Avatar, Troar, BS then WB
exotic kestrel
not actually sure about the troar before WB
verbal garden
Can someone confirm that Neltharion's Call to Chaos does not proc from TR/Legy?
It procs from Cleave, WW, OP, BS, TC, WB, Leap.
cloud dawn
After playing S1 tier for the first time this season definitely think S3 was the better bonus imo
obsidian topaz
not actually sure about the troar before WB
thats what crit was doing. I think the duration of roar is long enough that it lasts through BS, the hurricane buff and WB
obsidian topaz
After playing S1 tier for the first time this season definitely think S3 was the...
well it changed the playstyle a bit vs just passive dmg increase
cold garnet
the initial dmg of troar isn’t important it’s the dot
daring heron
not actually sure about the troar before WB
would roar before bs and wb
proper garden
you have 2 roars?
daring heron
yeah man
proper garden
verbal garden
Sudden Roar. New TWW talent confirmed
ashen rampart
Hey guys I read that you could now upgrade the leggo and that the bug was fixed but i cant seem to upgrade mine, is someone else having the issue?
naive sage
Boys I need some advices about cleave in AoE, I'm still not getting used again to it
Correct me if I'm wrong:
No SS: Cleave >= 3 targets, MS<=2 targets.
SS: Cleave >= 5 targets, MS <=4 targets.
Spending Martial Prowess on cleave > spending it on MS.
During execute, MP spent on MS.
Is it correct?
silk spade
Hey guys I read that you could now upgrade the leggo and that the bug was fixed ...
Did you buy the scale and use it on the leggo?
ashen rampart
Did you buy the scale and use it on the leggo?
yes
naive sage
Hey guys I read that you could now upgrade the leggo and that the bug was fixed ...
Did you update the game?
slow saddle
S1 is bis s03 made our rage spending issues even worae
ashen rampart
will do
sly venture
Wait, is Fyr'alath not bugged anymore?
coarse oxide
Yes
tiny dock
how can I sim which weapon rune is best for me to use, should I just check stat weights?
lone imp
You just change the rune at the bottom of the sim
verbal garden
manually sim yourself with a different rune each time.
agile dew
Are we running EB on ST?
exotic kestrel
u can if u want, but its more rng then BB
ashen rampart
I updated the game and its working now, thanks for the advice
strange perch
Hey guys I read that you could now upgrade the leggo and that the bug was fixed ...
Did you buy the bullon scales of awakening
idle night
If i dont have leggo and I only play m+ what should I spend my buillon on?
urban magnet
guys, i want make second spec dd (im tank) ST spec better arms?
opal folio
By a country mile
exotic kestrel
with new tier Arms is better on pure ST yes
opal folio
Not even close
lone imp
My arms and fury sims are 50k apart rn lol
random ibex
btw wtf happend to MM hunters why are they suddenly giga owning
They are running nelths call + ashes and getting 20k main stat every 2 minutes
exotic kestrel
that sounds about right
clever ore
Should I upgrade the mace from VOTI mythic to max assuming I dont have Fyralath and have 6kills (including this ID) on Fyrakk HC?
or should I keep the 45 Aspect Crests and wait for fyralath
halcyon breach
You're barely halfway to guaranteed, and you don't know when you'd loot it
clever ore
42% currently
exotic kestrel
but if u upgrade u get it next week 😉
halcyon breach
And the crests you spend upgrading your Myth mace, you'd have to spend anyway when upgrading Fyralath
So it's not like you lose crests
clever ore
ahhhhh you are right, I dont need those crests if I already own a weapon of that ilv
trueeee
halcyon breach
Correct
If you have a 528 weapon, you only need 30 Aspects in total to upgrade to 535
clever ore
forgot about this
not having the leggo is such a drawback :/ I am at 2500 rating currently and get kicked out of dungeons for not having the weapon...
exotic kestrel
oof
halcyon breach
Average community perception
clever ore
it sims 15% dps increase
clever ore
I know 😄
but community dont know
getting invites as arms is already hard
because its not a shadow 😄
wild marsh
BSL neck might be worth yeah. You do have a point
strange perch
The community in general has a major hard on for the “meta” comp
tepid citrus
Cleave and MS spam stonks are up boys
quaint otter
arms pumps
tepid citrus
Boys I need some advices about cleave in AoE, I'm still not getting used again t...
I'm sure there is a right and wrong, but for pesonal preference I wanna see two SS MS hit for 800k+ over a bunch of cleave. lol
exotic kestrel
most keys prio dmg > aoe padd
humble plinth
Ask in <#897055819475091456> also it doesn't matter while leveling really
can you change them after
halcyon breach
I just said no talents are permanent
As in
Yes, you can change them after, since no talents are permanent
exotic kestrel
rephrased: "Talents are not permanent"
brazen sigil
Can anyone tell me if we can get flightsones from normal aberrus if we already did heroic/mythic this week?
normal mason
tepid citrus
Picked up Bloodsurge, EP, and EB for fun and it did a lot more dps than I was expecting lol. Spamming MS all day during SS window lol
exotic kestrel
Ms is a good button we like MS
fierce patrol
ST opener is: Roar > Ava> CS > MS > TC?
hazy flower
Ye thats fine
balmy sage
What is "EP" when a guide speaks about arms?
balmy sage
Ty ty ty
hazy flower
Puts a debuff on the target to take more damage from MS
exotic kestrel
"execute increases the damage of your next MS on the target by 35%, stacking 2x"
fierce patrol
Ye thats fine
ty
tepid citrus
Executioners precision
ME seeing that one weak trash mob hit 35% in the pack
misty yew
Once you go 2 set is cleave used in rotation?
misty yew
And you don't take reaping swings?
exotic kestrel
but then its just lowest prio basically replace slam
exotic kestrel
And you don't take reaping swings?
no
naive sage
most keys prio dmg > aoe padd
I agree but there is an objectively correct way to use abilities
daring heron
whats objectively correct
naive sage
whats objectively correct
Wow is a game of real time decision making isn't it? The goal is to make the most efficient decision in the shortest span of time with the best outcome, in this case being choosing the right ability to use in a certain situation
naive sage
Boys I need some advices about cleave in AoE, I'm still not getting used again t...
Therefore one could answer "this is the correct decision making process" or "there is a better way of doing it", which is the precise reason why I'm asking
daring heron
it's easy enough to know what button gives the most overall damage and makes you look good on details
supple prism
New Arms enjoyer here, in a M+ scenario do we send BS on pure st boss fights?
halcyon breach
Yes
daring heron
it's another to do actual useful damage to prio targets
quaint otter
New Arms enjoyer here, in a M+ scenario do we send BS on pure st boss fights?
u get dem juicy hurricane stacks
halcyon breach
It'd be Charge -> TC -> MS -> Ava + Roar -> BS -> WB -> MS -> rotation
daring heron
that can speed up a pull and also make it safer compared to just doing "optimal aoe"
rare kite
Wow is a game of real time decision making isn't it? The goal is to make the mos...
ye but there are other players and what if they give up aoe to prio damage the higher up and suddenly there are other things that live that would maybe die if you had cleaved. what's objectively correct can change at a moments notice. now most of the time it is better to do prio damage as long as the number of targets isn't too much
ofcourse i'm mostly arguing just for the point of there's not always a "objective" best play
naive sage
it's another to do actual useful damage to prio targets
I agree, it's just cleave is feeling weak to me and I had doubts about using it correctly
daring heron
cleave definitely is not weak
naive sage
ofcourse i'm mostly arguing just for the point of there's not always a "objectiv...
I admit "objectively" is a strong word but you got my point
rare kite
yeye
halcyon breach
#arms message here if you want a straight priority ordering, not caring about priority target
This'd be your "objectively" correct way of playing
daring heron
cleave is a single talent point investment that is often top 4-5 in my damage breakdown
naive sage
Nice message 👌
warped ether
I agree, it's just cleave is feeling weak to me and I had doubts about using it ...
2xop cleave is big
rare kite
u guys dropping Slam talents with new 4piece?
yes, slam is within margin of tc even with 2x crushing force. just free up the 2 talents instead
warped ether
u guys dropping Slam talents with new 4piece?
I tried running it there is just no time to press it
olive nest
Feels good when you’re the reason prio target is dying at the same time as the rest of the pack
exotic kestrel
Huge
daring heron
sim presses slam like 2 times in a 5 min sim last time i checked
naive sage
cleave is a single talent point investment that is often top 4-5 in my damage br...
Yeye i mean, i was wondering if it was a mistake done by me, not doubting the ability itself
halcyon breach
Nice message 👌
There might be a few caveats missing, I just wrote it off glancing at the APL but it should be pretty accurate
chrome flint
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148898720803586048/1233824179237...
So you only send cleave or MS when you get 2 OP stacks ? I though you had to send it on CD
naive sage
There might be a few caveats missing, I just wrote it off glancing at the APL bu...
Tyty
warped ether
Ms on cd
warped ether
Cleave 2x op if you can
olive nest
So you’d naturally have 2 stacks for cleave/ms
warped ether
And the mobs are still alive
olive nest
Unless ofc a prio target like they already mentioned
tiny dock
ty for this, really helpful
chrome flint
Oh so in ST you always send MS on CD, but it AOE OP takes priority until you reach 2 stacks. Regardless if you press MS or cleave ?
warped ether
Dreadnought damage is f crazy good
strange perch
Cleave 2x op if you can
Wait is op higher prio than cleave on 5+ targets until you get 2 stacks?
daring heron
sure is
strange perch
Dreadnought is probably to good lol
warped ether
You are basically fishing for op in aoe
tiny dock
bro ngl I really thought you just send ms or cleave on cd
and try to get to 2 op stacks
quasi torrent
Wait is op higher prio than cleave on 5+ targets until you get 2 stacks?
(unless mobs are missing DW)
tiny dock
down bad
warped ether
Wait is op higher prio than cleave on 5+ targets until you get 2 stacks?
You charge cleave for dw then send cds and op2x then big cleave
strange perch
Ive been just Op>cleave>op>cleave
warped ether
Oh and tc for rend
daring heron
Wait is op higher prio than cleave on 5+ targets until you get 2 stacks?
iirc it's slightly higher prio damage to do it that way and basically the same overall dps
chrome flint
Does the OP taking prio over cleave until it reaches 2 stacks true only during SS or at all time in aoe ?
quasi torrent
arms conditional: virgin
vs
fury press ramp: chad
olive nest
I’ve been using op to fish for cleave resets
It’s not really wrong to cleave as long as you’re not at 2 stacks of op
You always want a stack available to reset
daring heron
just whack buttons as arms
warped ether
just whack buttons as arms
True
strange perch
Fury suck thru jorts
daring heron
get it mostly correct and you'll end up with basically the same
warped ether
Op is actually op
warped ether
Op is actually op
olive nest
OP owns and really hope they don’t ruin it for TWW
Alpha lookin rough
But to early to doom
gray steeple
Yesterday, was with base leggy and 4p from last season. Got my current 4p after raid with KSM and fully upgraded leggy.
ST sim went up almost 70k in a day. (And about 65k higher than a fury build)
daring heron
arms is just cracked
violet steeple
We love arms
olive nest
finite mantle
Armsowns
gaunt owl
WHERE WERE THE PEOPLE WHEN ZUGZUG DOWN BAD
violet steeple
Probably playing fury
fervent hawk
finite mantle
WHERE WERE THE PEOPLE WHEN ZUGZUG DOWN BAD
practicing fury rotation in the wowhead comments 
tiny dock
im gonna go watch a critcake video to see what buttons he's whacking
i definitely feel like I'm hitting the wrong shit in aoe
tough tangle
practicing fury rotation in the wowhead comments <a:chatting:1036769769543704576...
lmaooooo
charred brook
Can one of you pumpers check out my post in log review
Trying to figure out how I’m hitting my sim dps one night
And the next I’m 50k under
old hare
i wonder what it is without legendary
tepid citrus
And the next I’m 50k under
cocaine
charred brook
Less or more?
tepid citrus
More
charred brook
Hmm, I’ll have to try that
tepid citrus
Also. Only run dungeons with PI and tell warlocks to fck off
tough tangle
also demand pi during 
charred brook
I can’t my dk is a nasty fucker who does insane damage
And he just got legendary finally last night
I don’t even want it he does so much damage
charred brook
Bro he does like 600k single target without the legendary
tiny dock
are you guys rocking sophic on your weapons?
daring heron
sophic hasnt simmed well for me since s1 i think lol
tiny dock
yeah I'm simming it and gonna be switching to earthen
daring heron
but i still sim it occasionally
tiny dock
mastery really pulling ahead for me now
tiny dock
why is shadowed belt clasp so expensive lmao
meager prairie
God i hate where valor in victory is placed
meager prairie
why is shadowed belt clasp so expensive lmao
needs an expensive mat
daring heron
God i hate where valor in victory is placed
dont worry it's worse on tww alpha
tiny dock
needs an expensive mat
gotchya, I'll buy it when I get bis or something lmao
noble anvil
just sold a call to chaos lfr for 150k
noble anvil
dont worry it's worse on tww alpha
what's this s2 fury enjoyer doing here ?
daring heron
apologies
soon the tesco cashier is gonna refuse me at checkout because i voted s2 fury
noble anvil
i voted s2 too 😄
daring heron
my joke still stands
fresh spire
soon the tesco cashier is gonna refuse me at checkout because i voted s2 fury
excuse me butt are you 16 for that energy drink
hate the self serves in tesco 😠
daring heron
i got ID'd twice last year
fresh spire
daring heron
not this year tho so i guess im finally getting old
fresh spire
it's not even like you look like your a youngster either.
tranquil zinc
@daring heron what is the name of the sound for your puzzlebox wa?
want to add it to mine
shit is sastisfying
quasi torrent
i got ID'd twice last year
worst thing is getting id when u buy a week of groceries and 2 beers
daring heron
<@235809563490779136> what is the name of the sound for your puzzlebox wa?
buffed
think i have the sound from atrocity ui
tranquil zinc
ty!
daring heron
it's good
misty yew
its missing things like crushing force
and takes cleave over full bloodborne etc
things that are more st
daring heron
crushing force is very very very very bad
misty yew
crushing force is very very very very bad
for ST?
halcyon breach
Also if it's M+ of course it takes Cleave
misty yew
it may as well not exist on the tree for arms
dont u use it much on ST?
daring heron
no
clever crag
Why cleave tho
clever crag
Isnt that just universally ass for ST
misty yew
tkae the bloodborne instead
halcyon breach
What do you mean no reason to take Cleave for M+
Even if all you want is just as much ST, you give up so much AoE for not having Cleave
misty yew
What do you mean no reason to take Cleave for M+
ther's a M+ specific ST build
livid cloak
Skipping out on cleave in m plus this season is just trolling
halcyon breach
And it's just objectively a better filler in ST over Slam
quasi field
sup bois quick arms question...in keys use cleave on 3+ targets and ms on 1-2 targets with sweeping?
livid cloak
Ms up to 4 with sweeping
halcyon breach
TC
halcyon breach
Then you Slam
halcyon breach
Like
charred brook
thats what i was doing
halcyon breach
If you mean everything by TC as well
charred brook
it was very rare
yes
it was very rare everything + no procs but to fill the gap i would slam
quasi torrent
What do you mean no reason to take Cleave for M+
bro 2/2 BB m8
surely
i tried an RLP without cleave but 2/2 BB and long ss earlier
it was uh yeah
i farmed 2nd and 3rd boss but yeah
noble anvil
i try to lose all mastery and keep crit around 35-40% and rest in haste ?
frigid lava
how come /cancelaura bladestorm doesn't work
halcyon breach
how come /cancelaura bladestorm doesn't work
Hurricane
halcyon breach
Considering
wooden knot
Is this right? It has overpower doing top damage by a huge margin. Like 50% more than the second highest contributor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dQNDmuR1gdUxaGKzciPduy
fierce patrol
wait, aoe doesnt play double BS?
frozen bramble
Dungeon Slice is not very good from what I understand
agile dew
I love playing ''pending'' in the dungeon sign ups 🙂 especially when you have 4x the leader's score
fierce patrol
can any1 help me with the m+ opener please?
Its TC> Ava > WB > OP > Cleave > Roar > BS?
halcyon breach
Is this right? It has overpower doing top damage by a huge margin. Like 50% more...
DN/OP does a ton of damage
If you combine them in your breakdowns after a key, you'll notice them easily overtaking everything else (assuming proper play)
misty yew
only cleave on 2 stacks or just send wheneve
livid cloak
AFAIK you don't need to worry about martial prowess stacks until you're in execute and doing the ST exe rotation
wooden knot
DN/OP does a ton of damage
OK, so a damage profile like this is expected in-game due to large trash packs then.
(That and I am still clunky af with this arms AoE rotation)
lament sigil
new to arms > question > do we prio WW over 2charges of OP or 1charge of OP or do we prio WW over OP on 10 targets at all?
wintry scroll
if u're playing test of might WW is prio over op for spending rage
halcyon breach
new to arms > question > do we prio WW over 2charges of OP or 1charge of OP or d...
wintry scroll
otherwise just op and WW as filer
halcyon breach
OK, so a damage profile like this is expected in-game due to large trash packs t...
MS is very low, and OP+DN is below Roar
And Execute is nowhere to be seen
obsidian topaz
Do we use Crit phial or Vers?
wintry scroll
wtf is dn
lament sigil
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148898720803586048/1235353977940...
again this doesnt say if its 2 charges of OP or 1
wintry scroll
ik
halcyon breach
#arms message For AoE priority
halcyon breach
again this doesnt say if its 2 charges of OP or 1
Because it doesn't matter
strange perch
Do we use Crit phial or Vers?
Crit phial if youre healer can give you 80% uptime or more
misty yew
I guess I'm trying to say what hits harder, SS DB or Cleave
lament sigil
Because it doesn't matter
so its always like that regardless of the amount of OP charges i have 😮 ?
halcyon breach
yes
obsidian topaz
Crit phial if youre healer can give you 80% uptime or more
80% uptime?
strange perch
Do we use Crit phial or Vers?
For prog and 13+ i would use vers
strange perch
80% uptime?
On the corrupting rage buff, read the crit phial
swift portal
So we don't bother with taking cleave or using for M+ in like 7+ keys?
halcyon breach
no
wintry scroll
no to me ?
halcyon breach
yes
wintry scroll
so i better go for the other talents
halcyon breach
just copy the m+ hybrid build from wowhead if you're curious
wintry scroll
i saw that they don't play merciless
halcyon breach
Becuase it's just for pad
crisp crane
thoughts on the (bis arms?) ring vs cata hands ? i could cata 509 hands.. and also a slight chance maybe this and next week first tier bosses are gloves too
obsidian topaz
So we don't bother with taking cleave or using for M+ in like 7+ keys?
why wouldnt we take cleave beyond a +7??
wintry scroll
anything beyond 4 is cleave worthy
crisp crane
you could run like last week a bladestorm + execute build ^^ aint that bad
mild hound
I see open w roar on wowhead on ST. (coming from fury). Does avatar/CS buff not affect roar?
obsidian topaz
On the corrupting rage buff, read the crit phial
ya it damages you, what do you mean about healer having uptime on you?
when would they not be able to heal you lol
wintry scroll
just impending rush bruh
obsidian topaz
thats what I do im just confused by his answer
strange perch
If you’re an alchemist it kills most of the damage from the phial.
And generally if the phial kills you you were going to die anyways. But on really high keys / mythic prog vers might just be better.
strange perch
^ this is why healers stay mad at dps lol
timid mica
strange perch
they're not the ones that sit 2 hours in Q for a dung
There is a lot that goes into dps ques. And healer shortages. But at the same time. Don’t just blame the healer.
steep osprey
what's bis neck ingame rn
crisp crane
can i please have a dolla
we waited with full gamer group 30min for a tank.. and then i put 20k for tank in title ^^ insta full.. worth
strange perch
lol 🤣🤣
wintry scroll
we waited with full gamer group 30min for a tank.. and then i put 20k for tank i...
i still don't got that dada's money
i'm sitting on 100K gold since last season
strange perch
ya it damages you, what do you mean about healer having uptime on you?
When you take a certain anount of damage, you have to be healed, while youre needing to be healed you lose the crit buff
crisp crane
i still don't got that dada's money
yeah then i guess get friends instead of gold KEKW
wintry scroll
yeah then i guess get friends instead of gold KEKW
my friends are a bunch of old people
that play 1 dung then log out
obsidian topaz
When you take a certain anount of damage, you have to be healed, while youre nee...
oh youre right, I didnt realise it said "instead"
cool, good to know
wintry scroll
There is a lot that goes into dps ques. And healer shortages. But at the same ti...
i'd blame them all day long
and whenevr i play a healer i don't blame dps for dying
i blame myself
cuz i'm built diff
strange perch
👍
copper summit
in academy which drag do yall get?
wintry scroll
depends on what stats u got
copper summit
strange perch
Did you just reroll from fury?
copper summit
ya
weak saffron
You need haste asap.
strange perch
^
crisp crane
lacking half the haste... would rather farm gear first. esp a full haste ring + neck +sockets ... are most worthy
copper summit
whats the % im trying to go for?
wintry scroll
u should have enough haste if u got the new set
weak saffron
Like dive deep into haste. Shower in haste, eat haste, breathe haste...
crisp crane
nearly 40% ^^
wintry scroll
around 35 +
copper summit
lol kk
strange perch
You want roughy 40% of all your secondary stats to be haste.
steep osprey
What about m+ spec
wintry scroll
this season crit is worth more
strange perch
Not 40% on the tool tip. If you have 10000 total secondaries you want 4000 to be haste more or less.
steep osprey
surely haste isn't as needed without ToM
crisp crane
still old set and old gear.. @copper summit but you clearly need gear 😛 as i said a big haste ring and neck are needed thats 3k haste on those slots
rose matrix
So on 5+ targets do you send OP until you get two stacks of MP then send cleave? At less than 5 targets do you just sent Cleave after one OP?
crisp crane
Isnt it good in m+ now ?
old tier set was decent...
current dungeons also feel odd with 5 targets
clever crag
Well s2 was better than s3 and we got that tier right
strange perch
Why ppl hate on fury lol
Arms sims a good bit better in ST and people like to link st and m+ together in their brains.
clever crag
So whats the iss lol
smoky kayak
Well s2 was better than s3 and we got that tier right
it wasn't really though lol
a lot of people like to think it should be, but the AM/Rav build is only marginally better in raw AoE, while dramatically weaker in priority damage, both of which are important in M+
clever crag
Maybe it was just the ravager pulls feeling bigger somehow
misty yew
Dunno bout you guys but the double bs build is putting out less aoe than the hybrid
clever crag
I kinda forgot the ST being meh
smoky kayak
not to mention additional failure points with Ravager over OF
strange perch
Dunno bout you guys but the double bs build is putting out less aoe than the hyb...
Double BS is also miserable to play IMO.
steep osprey
^
clever crag
Yeah terrible
misty yew
Lose out a bit on ST too
hard cedar
Arms sims a good bit better in ST and people like to link st and m+ together in ...
idk when I was siming my character and Fury was okay at clearing trash, but as soon a boss comes along, Arms does better.
steep osprey
MS feels very meaty with this tier set
strange perch
idk when I was siming my character and Fury was okay at clearing trash, but as s...
I’m talking about full ST raid buffed BiS.
steep osprey
especially in ST
clever crag
Also S2 ret wasnt really that good
weak saffron
Hey everyone, should the AOE opener be:
Charge > TC > Avatar > WB > Whirlwind > Thunderous Roar > Bladestorm...?
strange perch
Raid ST and the hybrid M+
I mean you genuinely should be playing a different build for keys and for raid.
misty yew
I mean you genuinely should be playing a different build for keys and for raid.
You are but I usually have more than 1 for M+
obsidian topaz
Hey everyone, should the AOE opener be:
Charge > TC > Avatar > WB > Whirlwind >...
Cleave before bladestorm
I dont usually WW until after BS
misty yew
why cleave before bs? dw is already rolling from wb?
hard cedar
So this is what a night of simming has led me to, does it check out?
obsidian topaz
why cleave before bs? dw is already rolling from wb?
weak saffron
Cleave before bladestorm
This tells that I should only cleave with such high priority if I have 2 stacks of MP already.
strange perch
You are but I usually have more than 1 for M+
For some specs I end up with a different one for different keys. But with arms there are a lot of talents that warrant moving around between instances. Wrecking throw is the main one that can have uses.
livid cloak
You cleave before bs to trigger the 4p buff
obsidian topaz
This tells that I should only cleave with such high priority if I have 2 stacks ...
it just says with martial prowess, not with 2 stacks
weak saffron
But I dont know if it is truly up to date, yesterday Warriorsarri told me that the single target rotation was kinda outdated.
rugged wave
Anyone has a string to sim food in raidbots?
strange perch
Main stat food?
obsidian topaz
But I dont know if it is truly up to date, yesterday Warriorsarri told me that t...
it was updated like a week and a half ago lol
rose matrix
Only thing I have read that is different from the prio list is using OP till you have 2 stacks then using cleave on 5+ targets
rugged wave
Main stat food?
Nah, like sim all types of food at once
weak saffron
it was updated like a week and a half ago lol
Nope, it will be changed once again.
strange perch
Nah, like sim all types of food at once
I’m saying main stat is almost always going to be better than secondary food
rugged wave
That's not really true is it
timber lynx
It is true
strange perch
^
weak saffron
"Ontem" means yesterday.
strange perch
I’ve seen a few small exceptions but 99% main stat > secondaries.
timber lynx
Yep
rugged wave
3 seasons secondary food simmed higher than main stat food
crimson charm
The less gear you have, the more value main stat has, and vice versa
rugged wave
I don't think that's gonna change this season
crimson charm
With that said, I personally simmed higher with secondary stat food in season 1 already
rugged wave
Yep, main stat food sims 1k lower than secondaries
Anyway, back to the question at hand: anyone has a string to sim all foods at once for advanced sim?
flat hinge
what embellish should i use in M+?
hexed canopy
Is there a reason most point on puzzle box over Fragment? Atm I play with Boon trinket, but its just so awkward with the range and aoe swirlies etc. When I sim a fragment vs Boon on ST i gain 2,3k and only lose 900 dps in dungeon slice.
Puzzly box gives me 3,3k ST and loses 8k in dungeon slice vs. boon. So numbers wise fragment seams the stronger?
gray steeple
Why sim dungeon slice?
Is that the go-to for m+ for arms?
strange perch
Fragment losses stats every time you hit a button. Bix doesn’t
crimson charm
Just an FYI, raidbots default sims Arms with haste+crit food
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/capbBVUxAzcaGEJUMgDsPt haste+crit food
rugged wave
Yeah my secondaries are wack now
quasi torrent
Just an FYI, raidbots default sims Arms with haste+crit food
thats feisty
livid cloak
rugged wave
I'm doing 6 quick sims with different foods but I could swear I had done it in one sim before
strange perch
My brain hurts.
crimson charm
There is a string for it
gaunt owl
STR food is bad
strange perch
Are you telling me everything I’ve been lead to believe is a lie?
thick kelp
I'm doing 6 quick sims with different foods but I could swear I had done it in o...
#Food
profileset."Food_Fated_Fortune_Cookie"+="food=fated_fortune_cookie"
profileset."Food_Aromatic_Seafood_Platter"+="food=aromatic_seafood_platter"
profileset."Food_Feisty_Fish_Sticks"+="food=feisty_fish_sticks"
profileset."Food_Sizzling_Seafood_Medley+="food=sizzling_seafood_medley"
profileset."Food_Filet_of_Fangs"+="food=filet_of_fangs"
profileset."Food_Timely Demise"+="food=timely_demise"
profileset."Food_Salt-Baked_Fishcake"+="food=saltbaked_fishcake"
profileset."Food_Seamoth Surprise"+="food=seamoth_surprise"
profileset."Great_Cerulean_Sea"+="food=great_cerulean_sea"
livid cloak
1 : 1 str is better. But you get more total secondaries from fish sticks than the pure str food
rugged wave
You a lifesaver man
crimson charm
Str food isn't the best option, but it's the most convenient option, as you just let your raid leader drop a feast!
strange perch
How have I never come across this information before.
crimson charm
It's one of those minor min-max people don't really care overly much about
livid cloak
Gotta look with your eyes sometimes
crimson charm
Same as people not simming every weapon rune for themselves
mild hound
Why does wowhead recommend roaring as an opener in st before avatar/CS? Does avatar/cs buff not affect it?
weak saffron
#Food
profileset."Food_Fated_Fortune_Cookie"+="food=fated_fortune_cookie"
profil...
I should use Advanced mode if I want to use this, right?
livid cloak
Why does wowhead recommend roaring as an opener in st before avatar/CS? Does ava...
Because roar doesn't add to the test of might buff
rare kite
Why does wowhead recommend roaring as an opener in st before avatar/CS? Does ava...
initial hit does very little, it buffs the rest of it ofc
copper summit
so arms stats is Haste>crit>mastery>vers?
mild hound
Do we use roar after the opener during avatar?
thick kelp
I should use Advanced mode if I want to use this, right?
yes
livid cloak
Do we use roar after the opener during avatar?
It should come up 1 gcd before avatar, you can send it before ava and cs again
livid cloak
so try to even it all out evenish kinda
No just sim your char. Take ilvl more than anything. And for same ilvl stuff with diff stats just sim them
See what's better
copper summit
ahh kk tyty
strange perch
Probably far enough into DR on haste/crit that vers mast is higher value.
undone bridge
is there a pin for secondary soft caps somewhere
reef glade
not rly just sim whatevers in your bags and itll tell you what to wear
stats will figure themselves out for the most part
cold vigil
is it worth using merciless bonegrinder in M+ instead of the popular m+ build?
rare kite
is it worth using merciless bonegrinder in M+ instead of the popular m+ build?
not really, you can do it for meme overalls in algethar academy tho
reef glade
its most of the time not necessary tho
cold vigil
does anyone have a good bonegrinder build?
steep osprey
crimson tree
Just okay
violet cape
4pc doesnt seem to show a trackable buff
steep osprey
It is
reef glade
it is but its rly short
violet cape
am i just not seeing it?
reef glade
can be hard to see
violet cape
its 8 seconds no?
steep osprey
you're not seeing it
steep osprey
it's 6
violet cape
do you know the name of it?
steep osprey
I don't actually lmao
reef glade
1 sec i hit dummies
reef glade
steep osprey
ok i was wrong lmao
crimson tree
violet cape
oh ok cool
obsidian topaz
thoughts on Fueled by violence VS Ignore pain?
steep osprey
pain
reef glade
i think equivalentish healing spread out but IP usually nicer for a DR on big mechs
obsidian topaz
Obviously the higher you go, you get more value from pain, but overall healing is way more with FbV
reef glade
only time it feels bad in exe when you have things to spend rage on in exe
o yea fbv is probably broken in m+
i just realized
100% deepwounds uptime on 500 targets
might just start doin that tbh
idk ignore pain pretty nice for m+ too tho
lone imp
I think fueled by violence probably good on rashok but for the most part, IP is the deal
reef glade
but rly up to you
violet cape
so correct me if im wrong but here is my opener for mythic:
thunderclap +avatar + DR + warbreaker + bladestorm + overpower x2 + mortal strike
or cleave if 3+
sour forge
Ip just lets you live more stuff
obsidian topaz
+10 Nelth FbV healed for 7Mil, 10 AA IP healed for 883k
sour forge
Fbv only heals a lot on opening pulls where you’re already topped off
reef glade
i mean itll heal alot anywhere theres multiple targets
but yea it doesnt prevent dmg
basically just more leech
lone imp
That's kind of presumptuous that you'll be topped off
That's sometimes the most scary moments too lol
obsidian topaz
If I was already topped it wouldnt show up on healing meter
reef glade
so correct me if im wrong but here is my opener for mythic:
thunderclap +avatar ...
is this for single target im assuming by you saying ms? and if it is you typically still want to prio ms always
so like you can charge in start with an MS first, then do most of the rest of that stuff
and as you come out of the bladestorm MS again
sour forge
Either way. Ip is gonna save you more imo
reef glade
then just keep spamming ms/overpower/whirlwind as they come up
obsidian topaz
of which it did 1mil
reef glade
reapplying rend with tc whenever
violet cape
if its 3+ should i start with cleave?
obsidian topaz
I just find the IP shield to be tiny
violet cape
also why start with MS instead of thunderclap or OP
reef glade
cause ms does a lot of damage and you apply deep wounds
sour forge
It’s is small but it also gives damage reduction
violet cape
ohhhh
reef glade
so everything u do after that does more damage
violet cape
so MS gives deep wounds and applies to everything got it
is deep wounds a personal buff?
reef glade
just the target you hit, cleave applies DW to multiple targets
no its a dot on mobs
sour forge
It also stacks
violet cape
gotcha
reef glade
i think if youre attempting to push higher than weekly 10's you should probably run IP
obsidian topaz
8s CD tho
reef glade
but honestly for no brain living fbv probably OP in m+
obsidian topaz
i think if youre attempting to push higher than weekly 10's you should probably ...
yea I have been, just saw someone run it and tried it out. For 10s I think ill stick with this especially on fort
violet cape
ok got it so charge + MS or CLeave first before opener for deep wounds
sour forge
Ip is mandatory when you start going higher
reef glade
ok got it so charge + MS or CLeave first before opener for deep wounds
yea probably sounds right
violet cape
so as im playing do i need to prio 2 OP before an MS or just press MS when it procs
reef glade
single target just ms as soon as you can
obsidian topaz
ok what about swapping 1 point in Overflowing rage for Seismic reverb this week?
violet cape
multi 2 op before cleave?
reef glade
probably same for cleave? tho idk if cleave takes as high precedence as ms does
i typically just op > cleave > op > cleave
sour forge
Mmm idk I’m not as rage capped this season
reef glade
as long as i can
glossy olive
This WA is not updated and it was so helpful 😦
violet cape
whats the point of the OP stacking 2x for stronger MS/Cleave then?
reef glade
whirlwind whenever its up cuz usually its stronger than cleave on aoe
reef glade
whats the point of the OP stacking 2x for stronger MS/Cleave then?
sometimes you just dont have any other buttons to hit
and it g oes to 2
novel hollow
Whats the opener for arms?
humble thistle
do I use slam or TC as filler in ST if rend is already applied?
violet cape
ohhh so its not a flow then
reef glade
but you get a lot of resets of overpower
novel hollow
For bs m+
reef glade
when u spend rage
novel hollow
Or is it the same as s3
reef glade
do I use slam or TC as filler in ST if rend is already applied?
i think 2x crushing force prolly beats tc still? though maybe not cause tc just spends 10 more rage
humble thistle
do I use slam or TC as filler in ST if rend is already applied?
I was told people don't even have slam on their bars, but from my tests on dummies it does like 10k more dmg on avg per hit than tc
reef glade
yea i think slam is still "ok" st
sour forge
Ya tc for op reset I think
reef glade
thats also tru guaranteed reset
man
idk
i just hit slam cuz its funny seeing slam do 200k crit
violet cape
2 enemies = sweeping strikes + MS, 3+ enemies = cleave right?
reef glade
almost as much s4 fury bt
humble thistle
200k slam crit?
humble thistle
unbuffed with just rend it's like 38k crit for me
bold granite
tclap hitting for 250k fucking rules
sour forge
2 enemies = sweeping strikes + MS, 3+ enemies = cleave right?
If ss is up you ms when there’s 4 or less targets I think
reef glade
2 enemies = sweeping strikes + MS, 3+ enemies = cleave right?
if u have sweeping strikes up you can hit MS over cleave on 4, because ms cleaving onto 2 targets is more damage than cleave naturally hitting 4
but once sweeping drops you can go back to cleave
violet cape
oh....
humble thistle
this is my ST build, I just copied it from wowhead
humble thistle
am I missing smthn
reef glade
eh i mean honed reflexes pretty useless
and i guess im just now noticing im not taking pain and gain for 2xcf which is probably wrong
reef glade
oh....
yea this is like "top tier optimization" which technically doesnt really matter in most content
humble thistle
i will use arms only for ST raid, so don't really know anything about it really
fury main
bronze loom
need some log reviewing... i do something wrong but idk what
reef glade
but tldr general rule, 5 or more targets you can always hit cleave, if you have sweeping up, anything under that spam ms/exe, if you dont then hit ms/exe on 2 or less targets
violet cape
and for ST we literally just use OP + MS and execute as much as possible so we can do crazy executes at the end?
bronze loom
or i'm just to dumb for playing arms
reef glade
yea ms highest prio, then at least 1 op charge on cd always if you can i think its better to spam both before hitting whirlwind too which is annoying
but eh
and in execute phase if you have enough rage you try to send 3 executes into a MS, or if you dont some combo of 2 exe + op into MS
swift portal
@humble thistle my self personally I'd take that point out of ww extra dmg and put in the Ms talent above execute for pure ST
reef glade
drop storm of swords for EB? i dont think thats better...
unless u just highroll like crazy
humble thistle
<@257603600962945024> my self personally I'd take that point out of ww extra dmg...
which one do you mean
reef glade
is EB single target new tech or something
humble thistle
I 1:1 copied wowhead
reef glade
it does but this makes execute do a lot of damage
and so "if you have the rage" its better to send a third max stack execute than 1 op and whatever buff that provides to MS
but you only do that once or twice every cs basically i think
dont get rage too fast outside of it
humble thistle
which one do you mean
I think this?
reef glade
I think this?
dont think so.. psure barbaric just better than cf
copper summit
more haste or more other things?
humble thistle
slam still has 30% increased dmg and cost 10 less rage even
- slam has 7.5% higher crit
reef glade
more haste or more other things?
sim but yea potentially bit more haste
humble thistle
so more crit + less rage for same dmg
but ww doesn't do more dmg
but we don't use ww in ST anyway, no?
humble thistle
is it? I have no clue
reef glade
my knowledge of actual optimal rotation is from like 2 seasons ago
but i feel like no way you dont hit ww
humble thistle
ww tooltip says it's 2x the slam dmg
so it's ww > slam > tc purely for dmg?
in ST
noble anvil
if am playing with reaping swings i still go 2x op before cleave or just rotate between the 2
reef glade
damagewise yes, but tc might overtake slam specifically for guaranteed OP reset
not sure about that though
absolutely tc tho if u need to reapply rend
junior scarab
which bullion trinket would be good for m+ and raids?
reef glade
i.e rend has less than like 10 seconds
reef glade
which bullion trinket would be good for m+ and raids?
a decent passive one like icon/oce assuming your group has most/a lot of the buffs but even if they dont they're pretty good
exotic knot
which bullion trinket would be good for m+ and raids?
signet brand would be bis for raid but not for m+
junior scarab
signet brand would be bis for raid but not for m+
yeah was considering picking it up rn but m+ is not great
strange perch
signet brand would be bis for raid but not for m+
If your tank can keep you in combat it works wonderfully.
gray steeple
Signet isn’t good if stuff dies quickly. Even in raids
exotic knot
yeah was considering picking it up rn but m+ is not great
Its's still good for tyrannical week but ye for fortified it depends on your tank
timber lynx
If you want a good trinket for st and m+ just get an essence first
reef glade
call to chaos i think is actually pretty respectable on arms too
junior scarab
If you want a good trinket for st and m+ just get an essence first
even if I am the only one using it?
timber lynx
Or call to chaos yee
strange perch
Essence requires your party to have it.
reef glade
but yea not many options
strange perch
Call to chaos seems kinda like a trap in raid / ST.
random gazelle
2nd bullion buy should be eggnog ring if you don’t have it.
strange perch
Unfortunately that is correct. It’s to good
The sheild ring is also kinda crazy good
reef glade
ya rly want that...
more free survivability
who can complain
prolly procs a lot too
strange perch
Especially on squishy arms lol.
reef glade
i was surprised i assumed diurna ring was at near max efficiency with just helm enchant
but after being able to use axe its like 3x more damage than b4
big ring proccers
crimson tree
Are you using shadowflame too?
strange perch
The axe having 100% uptime basically covers it. Especially in m+
storm lark
Is there a way to check how big test of might was in logs?
reef glade
i dont think you can figure that out no
bronze loom
anyone big good arms gamer and can help me with rotation?
reef glade
unless you like pay attention to how much rage you spend during cs windows but its pretty pointless
storm lark
Nah thats too much work
reef glade
anyone big good arms gamer and can help me with rotation?
can attempt 
bronze loom
can attempt <a:hmmNod:940376932560822372>
thanks, i feel like i'm doing something really wrong - do you want logs?
reef glade
uh i guess? idk if im rly a professional log reader but guess can try and find a vague overview of stuff and things
:3
bronze loom
uh i guess? idk if im rly a professional log reader but guess can try and find a...
i guess it's something easy but i'm just to dumb to find it 😄 got 516 itemlvl and making dmg like i play 486 fury still
strange perch
i was surprised i assumed diurna ring was at near max efficiency with just helm ...
The shield ring had had 96 procs for my BDK in our 33m key last night. Wild.
halcyon breach
Parry is such a dogshit mechanic
bronze loom
i can send you the raidlogs too, they weren't better yesterday 😄
reef glade
Parry is such a dogshit mechanic
L
crimson tree
Raid is easier than keys
strange perch
Parry is such a dogshit mechanic
Something something don’t stand in front of bosses. But yeah when you have to and that happens big sad.
storm lark
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/blackrock/mutenx?zone=33
stop using ignore pain
use thunderclap instead of slam
reef glade
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/blackrock/mutenx?zone=33
uh i guess i cant quite tell but looking at timeline of kazzara but it seems like you didnt hit thunderclap once in the fight
and 36% uptime on rend
which should be like... as high as deepwounds uptime
storm lark
on cd
reef glade
so like the moment you charge into boss just throw a like ms > thunderclap right away probably
and try to pay attention to the rend dot
cause that needs to stay up too
so when its got a few seconds left you hit thunderclap again
you can just take rend off your bars
strange perch
Haste is also low right?
bronze loom
stop using ignore pain
a little to scared maybe so i use it pretty often but yeah maybe i shouldn't
bronze loom
use thunderclap instead of slam
for ST too?
bronze loom
stop using ignore pain
using this specc atm
reef glade
Haste is also low right?
yea maybe a little bit? but idk think thats more of a sim figuring it out
hazy flower
for ST too?
Yes
strange perch
4700 vers.
bronze loom
and try to pay attention to the rend dot
hmm maybe i should highlight it some more
strange perch
He is using vers phial so that’s part of it.
reef glade
yea proly
reef glade
maybe a bit more mastery than normal?
i apparently only have 1.8k
rest are relatively within reason tho i think
aside from yea maybe haste could go higher too
regardless tho if the sim says what youre wearing is your best stuff its probably right
idk how often you do or dont do that tho
bronze loom
i can post raidbots too if you want
copper summit
academy which dragon would yall pick? mastery?
reef glade
reef glade
i can post raidbots too if you want
ya can give that a go too ig
idk if itll be crazy enlightening or something but y not
bronze loom
ST or 5 targetsß
strange perch
If you’re asking raid ST
reef glade
ya st usually easier to find upgrades
bronze loom
okok
reef glade
and 9 times out of 10 any upgrade in st dps is an upgrade in aoe dps
just like a few stats might get a little more valuable in aoe/trinkets change in aoe
strange perch
Charged isolation is such a meme phial
That isn’t me hating on you. Just the phial itself.
dire hinge
As melee it’ll never happen either, since you’ll be near tanks
strange perch
And the other cluster of melee.
novel hollow
Charged isolation is such a meme phial
That isn’t me hating on you. Just the...
I just like to pop invisibility flask , alt tab whilst hidden from everyone
And netflix and chill
Best use
strange perch
I just like to pop invisibility flask , alt tab whilst hidden from everyone
🫡🫡🫡
Same
mental flower
overpower with sweeping > cleave in packs?
strange perch
Yup. Because Dreadnaught is dumb.
magic field
Hey guys, what are your both go to Trinkets ?
mental flower
better even without sweeping strikes?
strange perch
Eh? You want to spend OP charges often. Because they also juice your MS/Cleave. But it also depends on other things too.
reef glade
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fRKXqMqtgM53ZDv31VYwgv
ya dont think it looks too bad other than yea most ppl dont really try phial of isolation, and most ppl run at 5 min instead of 3
cold vigil
killing fyrak while locked out of the raid loot for the week doesn't count towards the dreamrender guaranteed drop, right?
bronze loom
ya dont think it looks too bad other than yea most ppl dont really try phial of ...
oh lol it's the wrong one
i usually use vers
just choosed the wrong there
raven nymph
killing fyrak while locked out of the raid loot for the week doesn't count towar...
As long as you can get loot it counts
halcyon breach
Holy EB'ing
reef glade
on what
gaunt owl
Holy EB'ing
nimble basin
just had a healer ragequit with 8 mins left to do final two bosses of AV lol. because "dogshit tank route"
halcyon breach
Nelth
nimble basin
pug lyf
reef glade
halcyon breach
It went hard on Magmo as well
bronze loom
ya dont think it looks too bad other than yea most ppl dont really try phial of ...
here is 1 target with vers flask
reef glade
is ok 
regardless was just seeing if your sim randomly shows you doing like 300k dps
which it looks like it doesnt
so gear shouldnt be that big of an issue
cold vigil
As long as you can get loot it counts
so you can't get a count more than once a week on a character
raven nymph
Nope. Kill highest level you can and he done.
strange perch
^^
It rolls them all together. So if you can kill mythic it will roll Mythic, heroic, normal, and LFR all at once.
cold vigil
also i heard the upgrade for the legendary is bugged?
cold vigil
okk
ive yet to get mine
😦
i just saw it in dungeon and a guy 10/20 ilevel below me had like 30% more dps than me
reef glade
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/igi7eirajDCPnfPXboCzEq
try swapping your weapon enchant to wafting?
i just tried to redo your sim and for some reason mine came out to like 9k higher
and literally nothings even changed
except for like that and like 2 other things
cobalt lily
what u think guys is the best comb for trinks for mythic+ ? Box&Whispers ?
reef glade
i feel like no way 1 enchant makes that much of a diff
but maybe since your haste is relatively low?
reef glade
what u think guys is the best comb for trinks for mythic+ ? Box&Whispers ?
yea i think thats listed on wowhead but it doesnt have to be whisper any other like decent stat stick trink like that would work
think icon is just the best one but like oce/call to chaos/pips are also within reason
cobalt lily
but box is a nice option as on use trink 😄
reef glade
yar
reef glade
basically u dont have to dinar a passive trink like oce rn if you dont want to
as any random one from raid can be almost as good
smoky kayak
yea i think thats listed on wowhead but it doesnt *have* to be whisper any other...
Yeah, I was thinking about expanding that section for a little more clarity, but it's basically
- on use trinket: Mirror, Puzzle Box, Irideus Fragment
- passive trinket: Icon, OCE (unlikely to stack in small groups), Nelths, Pip
reef glade
but if you do eventually want to gigamax out yea youd probably buy the icon
smoky kayak
honestly I might just change all the recommendations from OCE to Icon, because I think it's pretty unlikely, even late in the Season, to stack OCE very well in M+
strange perch
With my normal key group. I’m unlikely to get tank and healer for icon. I might just try the nelths
tepid citrus
Holy EB'ing
EB with Bloodsurge stocks are up. Spamming 2-3 MS during SS for 400k+ is chefs kiss
bronze loom
try swapping your weapon enchant to wafting?
ok so new enchant?
reef glade
ok so new enchant?
try to sim wafting devotion on your end and see if the same thing is showing up
smoky kayak
With my normal key group. I’m unlikely to get tank and healer for icon. I might ...
Yeah that's why I put Pips/Nelths in there as alternatives; I think most tanks/healers want icon anyway, but ultimately depends on what people actually end up buying
strange perch
Sark is easier than ras imo.
reef glade
most ppl have been running wafting for like 3 seasons now but if its that big of an upgrade should def make sure
reef glade
Sark is easier than ras imo.
that aint an opinion
sark died first week of the raid releasing 💀
a joke in comparison
strange perch
Yeah that's why I put Pips/Nelths in there as alternatives; I *think* most tanks...
My tank has a hard on for tank trinkets. And my resto shaman is probably going sheild trinket * brood so yeah
smoky kayak
I think Sark is mechanically harder tbh, but he's not bad on H since you can burst through his phases
strange perch
Ras has more idiot checks than sark imo.
reef glade
think heroic rasz still worse but yea idk
tru
love seeing ppl get blown off platform first time they see fight
tepid citrus
Nah, watching people die to breath over and over again is the best
hard cedar
sark is the better end of raid fight from that past few raids. Sylvanas, Rasz, Fyrakk all have lame phase that just feel like it's wasting your time. Sark is streamlined. Pure distilled boss fight
strange perch
Rasz is just the more toxic fight. Harder to just ilvl push through.
strange perch
sark is the better end of raid fight from that past few raids. Sylvanas, Rasz, F...
We don’t talk about Sylvanas. I hate that fight.
hard cedar
no one likes that fight
strange perch
Could be buffs selected / not selected
reef glade
only other changes were gems and pants armor patch but i think no way thats worth 5k dps
bronze loom
ok so new enchant -> highlight rend more and press tc more often