gotcha
#arms
warm bronze
charred brook
Just depends on the tank
wicked aurora
arms owns
warm bronze
like I said, no idea what I'm doing wrong then
charred brook
I had a giga tank
boreal quartz
like I said, no idea what I'm doing wrong then
Can you show us the damage breakdown of ur last key
boreal quartz
Cursed
wicked aurora
but just for him to reference
boreal quartz
Cleave below bs is a +7 moment
wicked aurora
it was a 6 😦
boreal quartz
Boss wipe too apparently
latent moss
cleave below bs is a no 4p moment
boreal quartz
WW also criminally low
wicked aurora
still trying to get used to new set
warm bronze
Can you show us the damage breakdown of ur last key
I'll upload tomorrow after some keys w/ arms, will definitely doing something awfully wrong so far
charred brook
I think a lot of wars don’t realize how important whirlwind is
warm bronze
am*
boreal quartz
I'll upload tomorrow after some keys w/ arms, will definitely doing something aw...
Screenshot is fine
wicked aurora
it's cleave at 3 or more outside of SS and above 5 with SS or something like that yea?
boreal quartz
You can generally tell stuff from it
boreal quartz
it's cleave at 3 or more outside of SS and above 5 with SS or something like tha...
Ye
And WW just off CD in aoe
Strong button
wicked aurora
And WW just off CD in aoe
seems like it's just WW off CD period lol
thick kelp
ww cursed low here
latent moss
my rend is cooked af cause i dropped s3 2p and also i need to remember to press tc again
8 hoi i think
boreal quartz
Ye
latent moss
so execute a bit inflated
wicked aurora
my rend is cooked af cause i dropped s3 2p and also i need to remember to press ...
it do be that way
latent moss
on first boss
wicked aurora
I think I need to download the WA that thanks people for dying and resetting my grieftorch
latent moss
did my vault just waiting for reset to cata my gloves and get leggo
silk spade
Strong button
powerful
boreal quartz
wicked aurora
I nabbed two LFR pieces so I went ahead and forced 4p
boreal quartz
I nabbed two LFR pieces so I went ahead and forced 4p
Please remove repaircost in dcs
silk spade
I nabbed two LFR pieces so I went ahead and forced 4p
that is some cursed ui
wicked aurora
that is some cursed ui
wdym UI is fine
silk spade
the crest cap jsut went up for me lul
latent moss
Dogshit ass timing
how many flightstones do i need to max upgrade leggo
boreal quartz
Guess i slave my 513 this week
latent moss
:xdd:
thats like
30 billion
dungeons
need to get tmy to talk about his flightstones strat
some pvp shit for farming
silk spade
remember if you upgraded a hero weapon the flightstone cost is halved and no crests needed
for those levels
latent moss
ye but i didnt
wicked aurora
me playin cleave
silk spade
ye but i didnt
noober
latent moss
like
i dropped
s3 2p
cause it was annoying
cant spend rage for anger management
and sd does nothing
latent moss
ngl
bold granite
we love to cleave
boreal quartz
No
latent moss
we love to dreadnaught
bold granite
ew
latent moss
bold granite
pocket sand ass ability
boreal quartz
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1233217900345692190/te...
What the sigma
latent moss
What the sigma
bro
compass is cracked af
i did a funny 528 sim
for it
xd trinket
i think the scaling is bugged
like those drogbar trinkets
low ilvl but were cracked
grand idol
ooo, are e gonna get awakened drogbar rocks next week?
latent moss
i hope not
boreal quartz
compass is cracked af
Also im 200% sure signoll flare is simbait
Never fucking procs
latent moss
it is
winged brook
I dropped fucking 3 of those dogshit trinkets since Wednesday last week 💀
Brand Augury from s3 still sims higher
silk spade
Also im 200% sure signoll flare is simbait
that trinket is bootycheeks
fair tinsel
Compass is rad, instantly outsimmed my crab by heaps on ret
latent moss
like
515 compass is within margin of error with puzzle box for me
iirc
same ilvl
i forgot the sim
but it was something like that
or it was really close
boreal quartz
Tmy Moment
wispy kettle
new 4set and I keep using sudden death in aoe thinking its gonna thunder clap, rend falling off, L gaming
latent moss
same except i dont have 4set
outer holly
Man I thought Dathea was gonna be annoying, turns out it's Diurna that's the pug breaker
outer holly
It's a sim option under trinkets
barren sandal
oh word... totally missed that ty
outer holly
Couldn't tell you though, never knew anyone who used it
storm lark
compass is cracked af
Which trinket is that?
latent moss
some random ass
low ilvl trinket that u get from random weekly box
bushwhacker's compass
boreal quartz
sim inflation
Do not Google this
latent moss
replace sim with
boreal quartz
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/388789634123038721/1234621016207130644/image.png?ex=663165ec&is=6630146c&hm=fdf3ecf49acbc61bdacdcaa8b363052384d73bc949a3ad780740b019137bd27c& @latent moss i think they forgor to scale tp sword
latent moss
wtf
wispy kettle
now that's a weapon, holy
static surge
are you guys getting invited to keys? 1982 / 4pc and playing LFG simulator for an hour now.
boreal quartz
are you guys getting invited to keys? 1982 / 4pc and playing LFG simulator for a...
2009 (dont care for score) 510 apply and 4p and i got kicked from keys twice yesterday
Very questionable
static surge
The meta is too strong. This is bad for warriors 😦
latent moss
i was 1800 day one and was getting accepted to everything
had a 1 day break
and now im not getting invited to anything
boreal quartz
Idk i have a 5 on score still
And still got 2k
It's so piss easy io man
But why do 14s or whatever it you could just farm ilvl
static surge
I'm just trying to get into a 10. everythingtimed excepts for four dungeons
latent moss
until 4p
static surge
and my key is a repeat
latent moss
the only reason im playing
boreal quartz
Even with 4P its zzz content
boreal quartz
is because i want to try tom + bi
Lmaooookk
latent moss
i played it in s2
static surge
why dont we get invited?
latent moss
why dont we get invited?
cause u are not a mage/spriest/caster
i mean
vdh is just busted
u get vdh and mage in
and the rest of the spots are locked
boreal quartz
Sp>magus
static surge
we need some bloodlust or something
proud plover
spriest+mage+aug+hpriest+vdh is just busted
boreal quartz
I also saw sp destro aug
latent moss
well util is debatable
boreal quartz
Seems good
latent moss
dev is good but dies
static surge
getting cooked with this high ilvl and io is wild as a warrior
boreal quartz
we need some bloodlust or something
Nah we need death cast upon vdh
rare kite
I also saw sp destro aug
also seen sp,destro,dev
latent moss
taht wont work in high keys
boreal quartz
If they cant stop everything you cannot play 0 kick comps
latent moss
im calling it
boreal quartz
And melee becomes less cringo
boreal quartz
taht wont work in high keys
Dev turbo fuckomega slams tho
boreal quartz
It does, but you need to live rather than slam
rare kite
i think it kinda does tbh
latent moss
when u get a mage and spriest who are immortal anyway
static surge
🥴
latent moss
mage=instant invite
boreal quartz
mage=instant invite
I hated playing my mage
static surge
i have one, but i love my warrior too much
latent moss
they have everything you would ever want
boreal quartz
Cringe s2 set
wispy kettle
mage is the protagonist
static surge
mage too boring man
static surge
i love my big axe and armor
latent moss
macroing ur rotation is more fun
s3 fury incident
static surge
rotation is crazy
static surge
but its the more fun spec of the 3 imo
static surge
if we dont get a buff or other classes get a nerf this week i might be done for s4 ngl
over an hour in lfg is wild
static surge
im so used to it
im just fed up
4 seasons of it
got to 3333 rating solo pugging miraciously
s3
idk whats going on this season but it just feels worse
static surge
2.1 is good! im close with 1982. my ilvl is 507 too. just taking a long time to get in
elfin kindle
503 here
dire hinge
just early season stuff, it'll probably settle out next week a bit
proud plover
just play meta class
static surge
haha i have one but i prefer my warrior
static surge
says a lot
boreal quartz
No one does 15s
static surge
thanks for sharing
boreal quartz
Do 10 up
latent moss
No one does 15s
bbbut!!!
elfin kindle
Druid is that popular? Why do i hear all of them whine how bad druid is
latent moss
Druid is that popular? Why do i hear all of them whine how bad druid is
cause thats all they do
static surge
damn
proud plover
druid cause vers buff
static surge
thats wild!
shadow ibex
ret is just broken
latent moss
ret is just broken
ret is the dad spec
shadow ibex
ik
latent moss
unfortunately
latent moss
Go to tank or healer 15 and up
dire hinge
Go to tank or healer 15 and up
latent moss
bdk????????
proud plover
^
dire hinge
literally 1
boreal quartz
The top 1 run ye
proud plover
who is it crit or biz
elfin kindle
Nixx prolly
dire hinge
Noxiv yeah
boreal quartz
Xd what key level
dire hinge
10min solo in a +10
boreal quartz
LOL
dire hinge
just doing completion, but our healer was made of paper so the rest of the team rotted out
blooddk just kept going said we could all take 10
literally took 10min, worked out
proud plover
did you get the boots tho or a forgestorm for tanking
dire hinge
iirc i think i got the cape?
proud plover
or the meme forgestorm/strike twice 1h fury
i chased those boots all season
and now ive looted 5 pairs of boots!
dire hinge
yeh cape
proud plover
wtf healers using rageheart?
dire hinge
haha nice hell yeah
magic canopy
wtf healers using rageheart?
tbh at some point i expect almost everyone to use rageheart next season
proud plover
might buy that instead of brand
magic canopy
1.6m hp shiled can save you an entire round of defenseives
golden ibex
Hello fello arms enjoyers. I have a hard time finding out what secondary stats are good for me now, wowhead says haste crit, but I see warriors gemming into mastery vers, can anyone give me some pointers?
proud plover
i tank as much as i dps
latent moss
why would u buy brand
magic canopy
if you arent pushing M+ its not worth
boreal quartz
Ive not had issues in 10er nelts
boreal quartz
Hello fello arms enjoyers. I have a hard time finding out what secondary stats a...
Haste crit vers all good
magic canopy
that shits for doing like 16+ rn
boreal quartz
Just sim
exotic kestrel
i mean arent u all ready to spend like 4k flightstones to upgrade legendary?
exotic kestrel
holy
boreal quartz
Pugged btw
dire hinge
i have assembled my tier slots so matter what I can just catalyze tomorrow 
boreal quartz
I will vault a 528 helmet with a hole
proud plover
why would u buy brand
leggo > ring > brand/oce/anvil/icon were my trinket wants but i might grab rageheart before brand because i tank as much as i dps reecently
exotic kestrel
does the s3 enchant still work?
exotic kestrel
yeh that one
boreal quartz
It scales with helm ilvl
proud plover
it grows in power based on ilvl of helm too
boreal quartz
Btw
exotic kestrel
huge
dire hinge
it works and procs your Eranog ring 📈
exotic kestrel
Bold of you to assume i have an eranog ring
exotic kestrel
true haha
proud plover
heeroic vault has all boss loot right or just what you have killed?
exotic kestrel
Didnt expect to wish my guild still did atleast HC, but we died in S3 
dire hinge
im expecting a full vault of wrists tomorrow because it's what i crafted
proud plover
only killed council/eranog so hoping it can only be those 2 loot
dire hinge
heeroic vault has all boss loot right or just what you have killed?
tbh i dont remember for heroic, but i know it can contain tier from any boss regardless if you killed it or not
lmk if you get an item from a non-killed boss though
proud plover
well we cleared normal and killed those 2 in the hope higher chance to loot ring/icon across the raid
proud plover
we arent doing aotc until week 7 lol
dire hinge
you can have all of my luck for it tomorrow 🫡
im off to bed, but I hope everyone's vaults treats them well in the morning! Good luck!
proud plover
night, gl
clever sparrow
for all you veterans, it is worth buying ashkandur with the first 2 bullion if i don't have the leggo?
magic canopy
no
outer holly
It's a 1-2% damage increase depending on whether or not humanoid
There are better options out there
magic canopy
in the long run even if you are only running LFR every week
thats -2 weekf of time investement you dont get back
id reccomend one of the rings or a strong trinket instead
clever sparrow
so it's better ring or trinket, as i thought
outer holly
Btw
I don't feel like finding your @ but you say that, until you see a war pop BS to finish off a pack at 5%
shadow ibex
buff BS
outer holly
remove hurricane mhm
boreal quartz
I don't feel like finding your @ but you say that, until you see a war pop BS to...
CDs on cd but use brain
outer holly
That was the real point I was getting at yeah
It's obvious but I also have a buddy I always have to yell at in disc to stop doing lol
quiet rampart
Am i screwed without the legendary as arms?
quiet rampart
i only have it on my pala and dk... thought about rolling warrior again but screw that than
exotic kestrel
my pally is hardstuck as prot til next xpac at the very least
boreal quartz
You just need to loot it somehow or play ashkandur
exotic kestrel
aint no way im doing leggo farm again
boreal quartz
Which is bad
quiet rampart
aint no way im doing leggo farm again
this
boreal quartz
Blp carries over
exotic kestrel
over characters? or over from diff season
quasi torrent
season
exotic kestrel
didnt play pally at all S3 Aint no way
rare kite
just loot it 4head
torn topaz
Guys, quick question, should i wait 2 charge of MS ? or just do it on CD? and it change for exec?
exotic kestrel
press MS on CD, in exe im not sure what the prio is with new set, i think its pretty much still on cd
probably either 3x execute =>MS or 2x exe 1x Op => MS
torn topaz
ok thank you 🙂
prisma heart
Does anyone think if fatal mark stacks had a deterministic method of application ppl would like it more? Like instead of just rng on MS it would be like every time you hit a 2xOP buffed MS it gave u a stack or w.e
boreal quartz
It's stacks dont fluctuate enough for me to care about that
The 2 OP thing sounds horribly intrusive
exotic kestrel
id honestly just want it to either be removed or not by affected by anything
bunch of damage baked into a "random" (i know its not rly random) effect is whatever
boreal quartz
The issue is TOM
proud plover
the issue is 30% when we talent for execute at 35%, rng if it lands with tom or not and no real use for it inside eexecute phase
if it also applied to execute/sd would be amazing
daring heron
The issue is TOM
fuk tom
light field
i do not have the fyrakk axe do you guys think its worth for me to pick Ashkandur next week?
frigid lava
Are you counting it's going to drop for you?
light field
No will buy it with bullion
proud plover
i do not have the fyrakk axe do you guys think its worth for me to pick Ashkandu...
do you intend playing fury?
light field
no Arms only
latent moss
15th
light field
have killed hc 1 time
oak jackal
Leggo Dropp is still 496
cinder dove
latent moss
any1 else stuck with 3 tier pieces waiting for tommorow? (EU)
yes
bleak fog
I sit on this!
Thats all i got for tier s4
And catalyst then but need to wait anyway so..
oak jackal
any1 else stuck with 3 tier pieces waiting for tommorow? (EU)
Got my axe yesterday, but I am in the 4p waiting room too
smoky kayak
Spend your first bullion on the Scale of Awakening Legendary upgrade
NOTE: Though it is likely to get fixed soon, the upgrade appears bugged at the moment, so you may want to hold off on purchasing ASAP.
- If you don't have Fyr'alath or another Myth track weapon yet, Ashkandur may be the best immediate option, but not an efficient one since it's relatively easy to loot.
- Buying the Eranog ring (proc it with helm enchant/shadowflame embellishment/signet brand) or a trinket, and looting a weapon elsewhere is more efficient, since most players using the legendary will pass on them.
- The choice is yours. If you don't think you'll be able to get a Myth track weapon and aren't concerned with delaying your other purchases, Ashkandur may be your best choice - just know that it will be "wasted" once Fry'alath or another Myth weapon finally drops.
- You can also sim before buying using Gear Compare.
Bullion vendor is in The Parting Glass in east Valdrakken.
south nebula
Guys which spec performs better in pve rn out of the 2?
boreal quartz
Arm
south nebula
I just saw the post on wowhead about the legendary upgrade costs and realized i gotta farm some flightstones and crests and don't know with which spec to do it (i usually only pvp but i've gotten around 2k m+ score every season)
boreal quartz
I just saw the post on wowhead about the legendary upgrade costs and realized i ...
Tbf whatever u prefer works
Like ive went 60 40 key farming on both specs
It rlly doesnt matter in 9s for loot
south nebula
Last 2 seasons i only pve'd as fury, gave arms a try a couple times but idk, felt a bit clunky - even though i pvp as arms almost exclusively
south nebula
It rlly doesnt matter in 9s for loot
I see.
boreal quartz
I see.
But u gotta realize for some ppl 9s are hard
So they have to play what they are good at
paper summit
how do you sim 535 dreamrender?
paper summit
ok ill try that
raven nymph
I just saw the post on wowhead about the legendary upgrade costs and realized i ...
You can 750 from the plunderstorm vendor at rank 5
raven nymph
Should have had those from this week
south nebula
I haven't pve'd at all since season started
As i've said, i almost exclusively do pvp
raven nymph
I haven’t pvpd in DF, are the crests not rewarded?
boreal quartz
I haven’t pvpd in DF, are the crests not rewarded?
No
raven nymph
lol
boreal quartz
Not the good ones
raven nymph
Unlucky
south nebula
Not a lot..i have some shuffles in and i only have the lower crests
raven nymph
6’s should be way easier to farm on reset, just sucks to have to farm that much content on stuff you don’t like
latent moss
mmorpg moment
south nebula
Myup
I'm probably only gonna upgrade leggo and not touch pve at all until later in the season for the mount
raven nymph
Do the pvp weapons still scale in instance pvp?
raven nymph
What’s the ilvl diff in pvp scaling and lego?
south nebula
raven nymph
I mean s4
south nebula
it stays 496 if not upgraded
boreal quartz
What’s the ilvl diff in pvp scaling and lego?
Lego just does zdps in pvp from the dot
But it's still a 535
So it hits hard
south nebula
that's why i want to upgrade it to 535
raven nymph
How juicy do the pvp weapons get
boreal quartz
How juicy do the pvp weapons get
528 I think
paper summit
puzzlebox second try
south nebula
So 8 keys for 7 ilvl
wdym
raven nymph
If you can max out a weapon at 528 you have option. If you want to really max it you run 8 +6 keys and get the aspect crests. And a couple low keys.
south nebula
I mean is this a lot to get? idk i really hope it won't take 5 eternities
boreal quartz
Just play the game and u get it
south nebula
If you can max out a weapon at 528 you have option. If you want to really max it...
8 times +6s doesnt sound that bad
south nebula
Just play the game and u get it
yeah, thought so too
south nebula
what build y'all running ?
boreal quartz
Single bs with cleave cuz 4p
paper summit
im doing single bladestorm without new 4pc. No cleave. It's meh
south nebula
can i get a string or ss?
latent moss
for what
south nebula
the build
latent moss
1 min
candid pecan
its this basically: BcEAfuKaizEAgP2qANDB2hmf7DQplIRkQOQiWpkkAAAAABRIKkEUEBkISSoJRIAHARCAAAAAAAAJaJiACRDB
latent moss
u would drop cleave for one more bloodborne point if u dont have 4p
south nebula
so like this
candid pecan
yeah
south nebula
cool ty
midnight mural
@boreal quartz on a super important boss too! Definately not a memeboss.
On another note. Terros is gonna die in 2½ min when we get back to VoTI in 2 weeks rofl. Fated is gonna get absolutely demolished after the first two weeks of gearing lol.
quasi torrent
can't wait to unequip piss n shit puzzle box cause of kill timers
midnight mural
for the 3:00 killtimers u mean?
boreal quartz
Ye prolly
boreal quartz
<@653287531038900236> on a super important boss too! Definately not a memeboss.
...
Good pad
midnight mural
ey! its all bosses! cant be pad 😄
midnight mural
its 4 bosses so like 4 times the challenge
u looking forward to +30k dps tomorrow? 😄
halcyon breach
more like +60k because no 4p
exotic kestrel
zero piece gang 🤙
midnight mural
Oh right ! 
paper summit
0 piece gang, guild raids on thursdays so cant choose vault rewards till raid is cleared sunday gang.
thursday/sunday raid guild
exotic kestrel
dead raid guild 😉
opaque citrus
thursday/sunday raid guild
Holy shit I’m not alone
lime quest
So if I've only killed H Fyrakk twice and dont have the leggo, i guess my best course of action for my first bullion is to run H Fyrakk on reset and if I dont get axe, buy cata signet right and get the Scale of Awakening in 2 more weeks?.. nvm jsut read pin xD
gentle basalt
big question how u sim for m+ to find the right sockets etc for u neck? just patchwerk 1boss 5min?
+hectiv addcleave?
halcyon breach
Patchwerk 5 min 1 target is fine
glossy hill
patchwork is straight ST dmg, not including aoe
so why not dung slice or hec add cleave?
teal finch
Quick question, in a 3+ mob scenario, and all of them are below 35%, I should continue using the AoE rotation ( that prioritises overpower during sweeping) if I just want max AoE damage, and only be using the execute rotation if I want a priority target down right?
modern flower
Everyone who has lego is going with that tommorow at reset right? Must be the best option
for both m+ and raid
gentle basalt
so why not dung slice or hec add cleave?
are u going for 1min fight? 40 sec?
halcyon breach
so why not dung slice or hec add cleave?
Because whatever sims best in ST, does not change appreciably for AoE, and some people like to overthink stats too much for M+
zenith warren
does one hander upgrade count for fyralath discount?
opaque citrus
Don’t believe so, at least it hasn’t in the past for similar upgrades
slow saddle
I mean is this a lot to get? idk i really hope it won't take 5 eternities
its with with the flightys
silent gazelle
hello, hard question here
Why people on top logs are using constant whirlwind and thunder clap on single target and not slam on st?
hazy flower
Slam is out with season 4
hazy flower
Used to be ww>slam>tc>rend
Tc is guaranteed op reset + reapplies rend
And you dont have s3 tier anymore
silent gazelle
i see
silent gazelle
i have s3 tier still
hazy flower
You can still thunderclap anyways
silent gazelle
okay i understand thank you
hazy flower
The difference is not big in dps
And you’ll get used to the gameplay sooner
Even though its not big rotational difference either
slow saddle
Slam is out with season 4
ok so we dont take slam talents anymore thank god 2 more talents to place
bleak fog
So blizz troll me... First i get 2-h weap (champion track) not one SEVEN! I finaly start to get heroic track going (puglife as a warrior)... And so far when I get loot its shoulders only..
I mean what the actual fuck!
sterile basin
sup guys just started today, what stats shuld i stack to hit big burst for pvp?
zenith warren
there's pvp section lower
sterile basin
thanks
olive nest
I mean what the actual fuck!
Rng is a total fuk
I’ve been farming Puzzle box and got the 2h 4 times so far at 509
daring heron
using it is usually a good first step
olive nest
Lmao
glossy sky
I did cca 15 runs and nothing so far 😦
kind sonnet
on use trinkets that have channel time should be illegal
olive nest
What you don’t like casting trinket immediately after charge>TC
Top tier melee gameplay right there
wooden knot
on use trinkets that have channel time should be illegal
Just say no to puzzle box, start the movement! o7
Everyone have your 4000 flightstones to upgrade your lego!?
olive nest
Only like 1800 for me I think
Idr what the cost is if you already have 528
Surely not 5000
rugged kiln
Regret not upgrading the first 509 I got because probably overcapped 2k flightstones the last days anyway
kind sonnet
Everyone have your 4000 flightstones to upgrade your lego!? <:sadge:820202363359...
got 2k in the bank and ~100 last season pvp caches that give flightstones
hope they work
daring heron
I went all in on the gamba and hoped raz axe would drop
it did not
i wonder if it'd be worth to pick raz axe if it shows up in vault, depends what else is in it i guess
would be yuge discount on crests after all
fringe moon
i wonder if it'd be worth to pick raz axe if it shows up in vault, depends what ...
Would make upgrading your Lego cheaper
hazy flower
Double sockets per week makes stuff easier
If you have few good vaults
And then 1 or 2 shit ones
wooden knot
Eranog ring in Vault would be poggers as well
glossy hill
@daring heron you got a video on simming arms for m+?
daring heron
no
sinful thorn
I just watched Critcake’s Vod of Arms in m+ and now i want to blast m+ as arms
Is arms s4 tier gonna be worse for arms in m+?
sacred zodiac
no why
sinful thorn
Idk. I have not played arms since S1 shadowlands so i’m not aware of how good it is or isnt
S3 set seemed like a good aoe tool
Tho i might be wrong
kind sonnet
You just spam cleave
balmy swallow
Are we getting 1 catalyst charge every week or every two weeks?
wooden knot
Are we getting 1 catalyst charge every week or every two weeks?
every week
balmy swallow
Ok nice
wooden knot
I think we get full spark each week as well, no?
daring heron
Is arms s4 tier gonna be worse for arms in m+?
if you check my yt livestream vods from the last 2 days you'll find some s4 set arms runs
gray steeple
I think we get full spark each week as well, no?
No. half a spark from now on. First week was full spark only
sinful thorn
if you check my yt livestream vods from the last 2 days you'll find some s4 set ...
I did, St dmg seems real good
tiny dock
is it always best to put shadowflame on boots?
or should I put it on whatever is the best ilvl upgrade for me
terse plume
Generally you want to put it on wrist or cloak
sacred zodiac
super early crafting is entirely dependent on your character
raven iris
It should go on a lower stat budget piece since crafted will always be a little behind top end gear
sacred zodiac
tmy crafted pants iirc
terse plume
The bis lists are old gear before they changed crafted gear to be 3 ilevels below mythic
For arms I guess it would be cloak since wrists are the verse wrists
proud plover
we get catalyst charrge every week right?
gray steeple
we get catalyst charrge every week right?
yes
proud plover
ty
slow saddle
This tier we have sark cloak. Which we end up takin
terse plume
Ah I did forget about the sark cloak that is correct
slow saddle
If not cloak🤣
wooden knot
This tier we have sark cloak. Which we end up takin
Gotta take cloak to steal back the stats from the jerks that steal them from you 
proud plover
vers bracer bsl neck
terse plume
Ah well by the time I have a chance to get that thing I'll have more sparks then I know what to do with
tiny dock
okay so boots in the end will be bis
wrist is a worse option than boots?
omg right
vers wrist
man why did I have to make lariat with my first week of spark 😭
tiny dock
the wrists?
sacred zodiac
you're overthinking it like crazy im gonna be real with you
boots with shadowflame
lariat first craft is totally fine you just want to farm a few more socketed items than usual
anyone saying "x is best first craft" doesnt care about the items you mightve dropped that changed that equasion
tiny dock
yeah the vers wrists simmed way lower than lariat for me so I just slammed lariat, I am overthinking it though
i just hate wasting weekly gated stuff like sparks
sacred zodiac
i mean you didnt waste shite
steep osprey
leaving this quest until the last day
gray steeple
You get a 2nd spark next week
wary raft
nah just half
sacred zodiac
source?
wary raft
unless changed
tiny dock
so it's confirmed the 2nd shard being a random drop first week isn't continuing into the 2nd week?
sullen plover
Any guess when the servers go back up?
tiny dock
10:49est on the dot
wooden knot
98 minutes unless early
sullen plover
Sensational
wary raft
so it's confirmed the 2nd shard being a random drop first week isn't continuing ...
pretty much 
tiny dock
😭 so I can't even get shadowflame on me boots this week lol
sacred zodiac
why do you want shadowflame on boots anyways
wary raft
BSL neck and vers wrist 
tiny dock
I don't have the head ench to proc eranog ring
sacred zodiac
go and get it???
steep osprey
rip bozo
tiny dock
but shadowflame is also a massive dps increase for me lol
like, I'm eventually going to get it
sacred zodiac
bsl is probably more if you're a humanoid
steep osprey
humanoid??
sacred zodiac
if you stand in fire all day shadowflame might be better
steep osprey
I'm arachnid
sacred zodiac
ashkandur would not deal double damage to @quasi torrent
steep osprey
what are they
tiny dock
well I'm smooth brain so bsl could just be me griefing myself lmao
it's been a while since I've played, just getting back into the swing of things
steep osprey
BSL takes into account uptime
sacred zodiac
i mean you crafted lariat anyways so its fine
sacred zodiac
should go for versa bracers next imo
tiny dock
but wowhead says it needs 60% uptime 😭
steep osprey
I assume arms wants mastery now since the other stats are inflated?
minor gust
It's an M+ season anyways fuck raid full send double bsl
sacred zodiac
I assume arms wants mastery now since the other stats are inflated?
the halls ring is a 5-7k dps increase for me and its like pure haste
steep osprey
where would you craft it
exotic kestrel
U want whatever gear sims tell u to get
tiny dock
vers wrists sim so low for me lmao
quasi torrent
ashkandur would not deal double damage to <@173741974493462528>
🪞
sacred zodiac
FUCK !!!
glossy hill
Me want 4pc and Lego
run LFR before anything get 2nd ballion upgrade lego + 6 options in vault 3 heroic, 3 522 ilvl + 1-2 dungeons to break 2k for 4 pc
small cargo
I don't have the legendary weapon, so is it worth getting neltharion's sword?
daring axle
look at pins
wooden knot
not so sure about cata signet. Does the change make it better for 3 minute (or less) fights? Where is the value/time cutoff now?
wooden knot
I am probably going lego, ring, ring
olive nest
I’m also planning to do Lego ring ring
Unless get lucky
And probably BSL on crafted neck
To not lose strength from ilvl elsewhere
woven mortar
What's the best for M+? Nelth sword or ring?
olive nest
(Already did wrists)
tiny dock
did vers wrists really sim that high for you guys?
is it just simming super low for me because i have no set items?
violet steeple
Leggo ring ring over here too
minor gust
yup Leggo ring ring
violet steeple
Possibly leggo ring brand, depending on how much I'm tryin to parselord
minor gust
I think the fights are just gonna fall over when were full geared Brand might not even be that good on a lot of fights
violet steeple
Truesay my man, maybe just get whispering or some shit
sacred zodiac
did vers wrists really sim that high for you guys?
nah its just consistently good
you might be simming dropping a socket too that you might add later
violet steeple
I made lariat, and the diff to BSL is only 2.2k dps...I honestly don't wanna bother w 2.2k dps for the risk
wooden knot
I think the fights are just gonna fall over when were full geared Brand might no...
I think the only place the signet brand has any value is mythic raid bosses and high tyrranical key bosses
violet steeple
Healers get wonky sometimes lol
minor gust
I think the only place the signet brand has any value is mythic raid bosses and ...
you will never run brand in keys unless you can get consistent chain pulling
violet steeple
Wonder if our vaults will pull from all 3 raids or just vault for now
wooden knot
you will never run brand in keys unless you can get consistent chain pulling
and that lol
minor gust
you need brand to never fall off to be good in keys
tiny dock
i wonder what critcake is running in keys
minor gust
if your going full dmg mode I would say just go lego ring trinket and forgo the Diurna ring for the time being
sacred zodiac
i wonder what critcake is running in keys
just look it up or
shadow ibex
I think the fights are just gonna fall over when were full geared Brand might no...
lots of early fights gonna be sub 3 mins
but raz still gonna be long etc
minor gust
yeah like brand will only have good use at the end mythic bosses
tiny dock
just look it up or
its been a minute for me, i can just pull him up on rio?
minor gust
so I just dont think its worth a bullion to get brand
sacred zodiac
yeah or check his vods they should be public
minor gust
get some good stat trinkets
shadow ibex
sark trinket gonna be omega for 3minute kills
minor gust
like oce or pips or icon
sacred zodiac
and he gets spam asked so often that he probably instinctively opens his character pane before every key
daring axle
crit is running hybrid build
tiny dock
lmaoo thats true
daring axle
of wowhead
shadow ibex
box gonna be awful for a 3min kill 😦
sacred zodiac
its probably just puzzlebox + whatever he managed to scrounge up
tiny dock
rio says puzzle + trampling hooves
well, he's fury atm but I don't think gear changes too much between the specs now right?
reef glade
not too much
but like, he's presumably using those cuz they're one of the few good dungeon trinkets you can farm
not that i have either
olive nest
I made lariat, and the diff to BSL is only 2.2k dps...I honestly don't wanna bot...
Was this ST?
reef glade
but puzzlebox good for everything especially aoe, while hooves is i think more of a single target trinket but still useable in m+
shadow ibex
i got my puzzle box from a cursed OCE ping run
sacred zodiac
not that i have either <:critcake:984549832511344640><:critcake:9845498325113446...
get back in the mines
reef glade
i got dragon games equipment...
shadow ibex
oh i got that too dont worry
shadow ibex
woven mortar
Also, quick question. Does raidbots have an execute phase when simming dps?
woven mortar
Nice
reef glade
and was kinda surprised it could go hard if they crit
like 2 balls critting out of 3 shit does like 1.1m dmg on 2 min cd
sacred zodiac
itll just be the last 35% of the fight tho it removes health linearly afaik
reef glade
dont think thats that bad?
shadow ibex
i just wish didnt have to walk in to them
reef glade
just big rng
shadow ibex
and just kick 3 in a row or smth
sacred zodiac
if you want to play around with execute timers you can theres some custom apl for it iirc
shadow ibex
its just a shitty version of branch i guess
reef glade
get back in the mines
not that many but still
sacred zodiac
i just wish didnt have to walk in to them
its impossible not to
the hitbox is so lenient
reef glade
its *almost satisfying to kick the balls
sacred zodiac
like legit its not too much to move in a halfcircle for 0.3 seconds every 2 minutes
reef glade
idk think its missing that small oomf
sacred zodiac
its *almost satisfying to kick the balls
nah it hits like a truck tbf
shadow ibex
maybe i will try it with x2 on use
sacred zodiac
hits like a full bleed skullsplitter on m+ adds
shadow ibex
since when u use it doesnt matter
reef glade
hits like a full bleed skullsplitter on m+ adds
on 4x the cooldown 
def doggy in m+
but i think reasonable in raid
"reasonable"
sacred zodiac
on 4x the cooldown <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
silence
violet steeple
Was this ST?
Ye 2 sockets down too, lost helm/belt sockets
exotic kestrel
How do u guys feel bout blazebinders hoof?
violet steeple
So it'll be close once fully socketed
It's mediocre
All the M+ 1s except puzzlebox are mediocre/filler trinkets
lost zodiac
Awkward moment when wowhead guide and discord pins don’t align
I’m doing ring anyway. Signet brand is mid for non mythic raid. Fights too short
thorn sentinel
what is stronger arms warrior for raid and m+ or bm hunter ?
violet steeple
Hunter is always dog for high M+
Too squishy
Easier to play rotationally though
minor gust
damn wowhead bot posting the affixis I thought the servers were up
also bolstering fortified
minor gust
bolstering shitttttt catch me only do 9s and not having to touch bolstering at all
violet steeple
Gotta get that juicy vault bro
I cant believe they keep leaving fort/bolst in, it's always a dead week even for streamers and they don't get it
minor gust
im ok with spending more crests on an item and not have to touch bolstering
violet steeple
Truesay
glossy hill
come on servers
violet steeple
Wont matter in a few weeks anyway, only matters this first few
Probably 30m still
glossy hill
sdays 9am pdt
violet steeple
9am pdt is 12 EST brotherman
Went down at 10, down for 2 hours
Daylight savings time not saving us at all
tiny dock
so when simming BSL, what should I set the uptime at? 60%?
tiny dock
oh, 40% is default, felt kinda low
violet steeple
Has an internal GCD
minor gust
your not gonna get a high uptime in raid
violet steeple
So takes a few secs to come back online
I really think BSL for us is gonna end up being a sidegrade at best in reality for higher keys etc
tiny dock
what would uptime be for M+? 50%?
violet steeple
Each socket is like 970 dps and I'm 2 down, and lariat is only like 2.4k behind
minor gust
50-70% depending on dungeon and your own personal play
violet steeple
In a perfect world
If you get targetted by tons of RNG shit, or your healer dies and you have to kite to survive etc...I just don't see it as massive enough. It's huge for early in a pull for sure
indigo thicket
Question; how do you guys play the frog boss in HoI?
glossy hill
druid vortex/hunter trap/thunder clap for slows
rotate that stuff and gg
the frogs honestly die almost right before they get zapped by boss mech
violet steeple
You can reflect and sit in gulp btw
glossy hill
how much does it reflect for?
minor gust
no dmg
gaunt ginkgo
Deflects
gaunt ginkgo
And normally it would be up at 11, today is a 2 hr one for w/e reason
It's been 2 hours instead of 1 basically since the time change
violet steeple
We hate that
dreamy egret
Whys wowhead list our best bullion buys without the WII?
quasi torrent
nintendo wii holy shit
dreamy egret
Why wouldn't we want WII especially as fights get shorter catabrand loses effective uptime.
minor gust
because gl trying to get tanks and heals to wear Icon
violet steeple
Surely I get anvil tn
wooden knot
yep. pls rng gods, anvil me
glossy hill
im hoping for a trinket in vault
gray steeple
Eranog ring with socket and +speed
reef glade
because gl trying to get tanks and heals to wear Icon
gave one to our resto druid psure he will always wear it
naive crescent
what do you guys think the chances are that blizz will buff fyralath drop rate again?
winged creek
not high since it's guarantee now after some time
sullen plover
not high since it's guarantee now after some time
Do you think enough time for someone starting new in s4/didn’t play s3 ?
sullen plover
🫡
frigid lava
oh no server not up yet
violet steeple
Eranog ring with socket and +speed
You and me both bae
glossy hill
get the pitchforks out
vague nova
get the pitchforks out
That time has passed, its 12:01 now. We move to torches
strange perch
i wanna open my vault....
proper moth
frigid pine
strange perch
naive crescent
relax guys, server maintenance will be delayed for another hour any second now
glossy hill
relax guys, server maintenance will be delayed for another hour any second now
i mean if they stopped firing people they may have people who know what they are doing
proper moth
10am extendo
obsidian wave
it's about to be up 
minor gust
1hr extend
wild marsh
me avoiding work rn thinking the servers would be up on time 👍
glossy hill
me avoiding work rn thinking the servers would be up on time <:critcake:98454983...
same
minor gust
blame plunderstorm
obsidian wave
any second now
frigid lava
https://tenor.com/view/jeonqmi-monkey-escape-gif-21816255
that's me
wild plover
All of you instantly rushing to the leggy upgrade? 😄
gray steeple
All of you instantly rushing to the leggy upgrade? 😄
Why wouldn't you?
frigid lava
I have to have one first.
frigid lava
Still gotta do weekly fyrakk 😦
crimson tree
I have to have one first.
wary raft
where server
another hour
wild marsh
Current maintenance has been extended until 10:00 AM (PDT), we apologize for any disruption.
frigid lava
Why am I even up right now
magic canopy
i got breakfast
wary raft
wat u get
frigid pine
breakfast
opaque citrus
NEW DROP
Idk man plummcorp didn’t even need to make a new Dracula flow
Randall Thymes and Tandoori Phillips kinda cook
reef glade
legalize nuclear bombs 🤖
quick marlin
Question about this "best bullion purchases" for arms spec on wowhead - for the ring, does the legendary count as fire damage towards this? Or are there other fire dmg enhancements or trinkets/etc required to make this the #2 purchase?
er, #3
magic canopy
Question about this "best bullion purchases" for arms spec on wowhead - for the ...
yes
quick marlin
okay cool - i've been a ittle confused about if shadowflame dmg counts as fire, nature, or other etc so this is good info, ty! 👍
boreal quartz
okay cool - i've been a ittle confused about if shadowflame dmg counts as fire, ...
its shadow + fire
wow has a lot of these combo thingies
holystrike for ex is radiant + physical
frostfire is fire + cold etc
quick marlin
ah yeah but i'm big dumb warrior so usually don't look at elemental dmg profiles just zug zug 😉
thick kelp
reasonable
boreal quartz
ah yeah but i'm big dumb warrior so usually don't look at elemental dmg profiles...
tbf why would you
frigid lava
Do you get a bullion every week?
quick marlin
Do you get a bullion every week?
yep
frigid lava
nice
quick marlin
if you kill raid bosses, that is
frigid lava
I wondered what even it was...
gray steeple
If you don't, the next week you do should have a catch-up mechanism
lost zodiac
if you kill raid bosses, that is
If you miss a week you just have the opportunity to loot two
frigid lava
farming got so much easier
quick marlin
If you miss a week you just have the opportunity to loot two
yeah it's super friendly for folks who play alts or have lives (but that's not me so 🤷♀️)
rocky cedar
are those best bullion purchases for raiding or does that list apply to m+ as well?
i do not have the axe and probably wont get it
gaunt ginkgo
I have to have one first.
Was wondering if you got one this past week or not, since we both did a bunch of blp farming the week before S4 xD
Instead we both suffer
proper moth
asscandy would be your best bet then
rocky cedar
asscandy would be your best bet then
cool. ty. what about trinket after that? still signet? is that still a top m+ trinket?
frigid lava
asscandy would be your best bet then
what if you are still going for fyrakk axe
winged creek
Eranog ring
olive nest
Signet is not great whatsoever unless you are fighting bosses that last 5+ minutes
And it’s horrible in keys as well
rocky cedar
Signet is not great whatsoever unless you are fighting bosses that last 5+ minut...
thats what i thought. whats the best alternative then?
olive nest
Unless you never stop pulling to maintain stacks
proper moth
OCE and Icon will prob be general bis
olive nest
If you are spending a bullion I would go OCE
frigid lava
Oh wait... different raid this week?
rocky cedar
dope, thanks to you both
quaint otter
Oh wait... different raid this week?
aberrus after reset
wooden knot
they changed it back
copper swan
didn't they wlak back on this
wooden knot
1 week rotation
obsidian wave
is using helm enchant + fyrakk enough to max PPM on rings? Or that's why we need Signet too
quick marlin
are those best bullion purchases for raiding or does that list apply to m+ as we...
this was a general list for Arms Warriors from Wowhead with no reference to specific content purposes